Because you won't need to vary the amount of each track as it would be the case with sends. You are sending 100% of the signal, then blend using the Parallel Return channel.
Great technique for adding another group. But this way you have no control over the single tracks and how they affect the parallel group insert effect. For example you want to compress the kick and snare less as the cymbals. Do do so, you have to set up a parallel configuration via sends into the parallel group. Correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers
Hi Greg, Did you included the FX channels also to that group..? So that the compression is also applied to the FX channels ( the sends) . When i sometimes make a group channel the sends signals are not going with it .. then i have to send the group channel to these FX sends.. I'm a little confused of what way is the right way.. For parallel compression i send my signal of the kick to an FX channel , where i apply a desired amount of saturation or distortion with compression ... and adjust the level.. Is that good? Thanks a lot for your work you put in these vids!
What if you want to send different amounts of say kick, snare and toms to your parallel comp bus. I'm guessing this method won't work and you would have to use sends instead?
Total newbie' Would using Klark Teknik KT-2 Optical Compressor on the way in, after Klark Teknik Eq be better than Tube Compression in 10-El? Thanks in advance.
Yes and no. With the mix knob you can make a blend, but not independantly. And it definitely isn't New York compression because that involves routing the bass to the parallel group channel as well together with the drums. You'll need a compressor with a fairly fast attack time though because you want to squash the signal very heavily and blend that in with the original drums group. The settings I use are fastest attack time, 10:1 ratio and fairly fast release time and around 10dB's of compression. It works amazing on all sorts of material. I make housemusic and even with house, it makes the beats and bass so more powerfull. Try it ;)
Another Question of this topic. When i drag audiofiles into the project, they change the sound to the chord track..? How can i avoid that , when dragging audio from the pool, the files don't change .. Thanks
Hopefully this isn't a stupid question: When I "clip-gain" up an audio event, and I gain it up so much that the representation of the waveform now looks clipped in the event, has any actual clipping occurred..? I'd imagine not, but I want to be sure. Thanks.
pls can you tell me why you seem have multiple rendered versions of what seems to me like the same audio in multiple tracks. I've seen different guys mix this way and don't know why. Pls can you help explain?
I withdraw my previous comment, cause I thing I did not express myself properly. I did exactly, what you teached here. But what is the difference between this method, and the one using routing and send. Isn't there more control over the matter using send?
I think with this method, you're sending audio effected by any inserts and eq to the Parallel Compression too, the other 'send' method - which I was doing too, sends the audio before the Inserts or Channel Strip. *Edit...Okay soooo I checked and the above is only half right, there are a number of Pre/Post Insert slots, so in Cubse 9.5 make sure the Green Separator is right at the bottom if you want all your inserts to be sent to the Aux, This doesn't answer your question obviously.
That method does send out the signal to another destination for further processing but also sends all of the inserts, EQs and channel strips with the track to the new destination as well. Many people would consider that a more serial form of routing whereas the method in the video is more parallel in that the signal is split unaffected to the second destination. Many people do use the other method and make it work.
I have a vocal track that I route to a group (with more vocals). I want to add a parallel processing to the vocal track that goes then to that group (with more vocals) after it, so that I have one summing/fader for my vocals. For that parallel processing I route the vocal track (in direct routing) to a new group (called parallel vocal). But as you said that the vocal track alone does not affect the second destination (in my case the new group called "parallel vocal") eq wise, etc., is wrong I think. I did test it. I activated on the channel strip eq (on my vocal track) the high pass filter to 5000 hz, so that I can see it on the analyzer. And then I looked at the analyzer from the new group ("parallel vocal") and I could see that it is affected by that activated high pass filter on the vocal track. conclusion: what is different to the other way? (parallel processing with fx send) Thanks...
Ok two things, 1: When I go to group my drums together to create a channel, it's created, but no sound comes out. I can move the fader up and down, add effects, and there's no difference in sound whatsoever. Two, how do I delete group channels? I've now made multiple group channels to try to get this to work, and none of them work and its interfering with my work flow. Its unnecessary clutter. Yes, I'm using Cubase.
Jacob Simmons when you select the tracks in your mixer (click right to ad group to selected channels ) they automatic will connect to the group ...when in your normal screen you select the channels and add group track you still need to change the output in your daw (stereo out to group) per track you want ,and ofc select in the group to stereo out otherwise you won’t hear a thing ...
Brilliant - Thank You Greg - Once Again
This guy is the man! always learning from him, keep on doing these good things!
Great video.
Thank you Greg! Very very helpful tutorial!!!!🙂💯
Awesome video - thanks Greg!
Great routing principle! Thanks for the Quick Tip!
I need to try this on my cubase 6!
Golly!! I should have watched this one 4 years ago. :)
Nice video.
Very nice Greg. This is easier than the way I was doing it. Thanks.
Thanks Greg for all your help, so much appreciate your expert help and advice, always a pleasure to learn from you! Cheers Bruce :-)
Great video! I'm wondering why did you send the instruments to direct routing instead of normal sends? what's the difference?
Because you won't need to vary the amount of each track as it would be the case with sends. You are sending 100% of the signal, then blend using the Parallel Return channel.
Thanks Greg. I found this video very enjoyable and easy to follow. You my man are a great citizen of planet Earth. Proceed.
parallel compression best example I think. direct routing is a very good function!
Greats insight boss..
Great tutorial men! Thank you!!
Great info Greg! I'm always learning something new in Cubase!!!!
This is infinitely better than the other new Cubase video with the stoned guy sitting on the floor.
Bob Frog but he has also a voice like a stoned guy 😂
Great once again thanks 🙏 a bunch
Thanks. Couldn't figure this out. Not sure it's a great idea to eq the parallel bus differently than the main bus though. Might cause phase issues.
Great technique for adding another group. But this way you have no control over the single tracks and how they affect the parallel group insert effect. For example you want to compress the kick and snare less as the cymbals. Do do so, you have to set up a parallel configuration via sends into the parallel group. Correct me if I'm wrong. Cheers
thank you. number 1 daw for midi and mix
Thanks. It's great tutorial.
Thanks help alot
thanks
Ok! I did not get the end of it. Do you use both groups at the same time or you mute/solo and use one per given time?
It seems I cannot solo and mute properly. When I solo one group changel as in 3:10 the other bus doesn't get muted. What am I doing wrong?
Greg, I would love to see you do a video on doing retrograde inversions in midi. Properly. Thank yoU!
Sebastian Dior Do you want the retrograde inversion generated from an existing melody in MIDI?
Greg Ondo yes that would be great
Hi Greg,
Did you included the FX channels also to that group..? So that the compression is also applied to the FX channels ( the sends) .
When i sometimes make a group channel the sends signals are not going with it .. then i have to send the group channel to these FX sends..
I'm a little confused of what way is the right way..
For parallel compression i send my signal of the kick to an FX channel , where i apply a desired amount of saturation or distortion with compression ... and adjust the level..
Is that good?
Thanks a lot for your work you put in these vids!
doesnt this method cause some comb filtering and/or phase cancellation when rendered down
What if you want to send different amounts of say kick, snare and toms to your parallel comp bus. I'm guessing this method won't work and you would have to use sends instead?
Total newbie' Would using Klark Teknik KT-2 Optical Compressor on the way in, after Klark Teknik Eq be better than Tube Compression in 10-El? Thanks in advance.
The Tube Compressor that comes with Cubase has a "Mix" dial. Is this the same as parallel compression?
Yes and no. With the mix knob you can make a blend, but not independantly. And it definitely isn't New York compression because that involves routing the bass to the parallel group channel as well together with the drums. You'll need a compressor with a fairly fast attack time though because you want to squash the signal very heavily and blend that in with the original drums group. The settings I use are fastest attack time, 10:1 ratio and fairly fast release time and around 10dB's of compression. It works amazing on all sorts of material. I make housemusic and even with house, it makes the beats and bass so more powerfull. Try it ;)
why there is a noise when I do this? Is it because of the delay of the compressor? How can I fix this?
Is this higher version than 7? I dont have the direct routing option
Another Question of this topic. When i drag audiofiles into the project, they change the sound to the chord track..?
How can i avoid that , when dragging audio from the pool, the files don't change ..
Thanks
What could it be if my mouse don't right click and bring up the menue?
Guys, I have cubase 10 elements. Do I not have the direct route function?
Hopefully this isn't a stupid question: When I "clip-gain" up an audio event, and I gain it up so much that the representation of the waveform now looks clipped in the event, has any actual clipping occurred..?
I'd imagine not, but I want to be sure.
Thanks.
The waveform display image is not really a good way to judge if the file is clipping or not. Your ears are a better way to judge.
pls can you tell me why you seem have multiple rendered versions of what seems to me like the same audio in multiple tracks. I've seen different guys mix this way and don't know why. Pls can you help explain?
OOOPs just reaalised one is subkick and the other is kick, room etc
I withdraw my previous comment, cause I thing I did not express myself properly. I did exactly, what you teached here. But what is the difference between this method, and the one using routing and send. Isn't there more control over the matter using send?
I think with this method, you're sending audio effected by any inserts and eq to the Parallel Compression too, the other 'send' method - which I was doing too, sends the audio before the Inserts or Channel Strip.
*Edit...Okay soooo I checked and the above is only half right, there are a number of Pre/Post Insert slots, so in Cubse 9.5 make sure the Green Separator is right at the bottom if you want all your inserts to be sent to the Aux, This doesn't answer your question obviously.
Well I just tested both methods, and they seem to do the exact same thing.
its this same as we add FX channel with parallel compression?
I always send my audio to a fx channel to process parallel. wrong?
That method does send out the signal to another destination for further processing but also sends all of the inserts, EQs and channel strips with the track to the new destination as well. Many people would consider that a more serial form of routing whereas the method in the video is more parallel in that the signal is split unaffected to the second destination. Many people do use the other method and make it work.
Greg Ondo wow, thanks Greg for explain!
I have a vocal track that I route to a group (with more vocals). I want to add a parallel processing to the vocal track that goes then to that group (with more vocals) after it, so that I have one summing/fader for my vocals. For that parallel processing I route the vocal track (in direct routing) to a new group (called parallel vocal). But as you said that the vocal track alone does not affect the second destination (in my case the new group called "parallel vocal") eq wise, etc., is wrong I think. I did test it. I activated on the channel strip eq (on my vocal track) the high pass filter to 5000 hz, so that I can see it on the analyzer. And then I looked at the analyzer from the new group ("parallel vocal") and I could see that it is affected by that activated high pass filter on the vocal track. conclusion: what is different to the other way? (parallel processing with fx send) Thanks...
that's the explanation I was looking for, many thanks!
Ok two things, 1: When I go to group my drums together to create a channel, it's created, but no sound comes out. I can move the fader up and down, add effects, and there's no difference in sound whatsoever. Two, how do I delete group channels? I've now made multiple group channels to try to get this to work, and none of them work and its interfering with my work flow. Its unnecessary clutter. Yes, I'm using Cubase.
Jacob Simmons when you select the tracks in your mixer (click right to ad group to selected channels ) they automatic will connect to the group ...when in your normal screen you select the channels and add group track you still need to change the output in your daw (stereo out to group) per track you want ,and ofc select in the group to stereo out otherwise you won’t hear a thing ...
nice but works only in cubase pro.
Yea lots of hidden buttons that are not available in elements of course
Not exactly helpful for anyone on elements tbh
mac + cubase = graphics lags
don't be silly, it has to do with the video capturing
I AM WORKING ON MAC OS SIERRA. Everyone is complaining about the graphics problems of cubase on mac os
I already don't see racks in cubase 13 pro on windows: 1:15