counting to 7 has never been so hard

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    Original video: • Nate Smith giving a co...
    Performed by: Nate Smith
    Bio: Nate Smith is an American drummer who is a three-time Grammy nominee. He's performed with The Fearless Flyers, and co-wrote and produced Michael Jackson's 'Heaven Can Wait'.
    Transcribed by: Balthazar Maignan
    faq:
    Q: how old are you / A: i'm in high school!
    Q: how are you related to jacob collier? / A: i'm not, we just have the same last name
    Q: how do you transcribe? / A: i use musescore for notation and 'Transcribe!' for beat marking, slowing down etc
    Q: do you have perfect pitch? / A: no
    Q: where can i suggest videos? / A: / discord
    Q: what music do you listen to? A: open.spotify.com/playlist/0zP...
    Q: why are some videos not transcribed by you? / A: sometimes other people submit transcriptions, most are commissioned from others who can do a better job than i can. i want to make sure you see the best transcriptions possible!

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  • @GeorgeCollier
    @GeorgeCollier  2 роки тому +7905

    Comments are half split between clap on 1 and clap on 7. I’ve opted for 7 as that just feels right - the clap is always followed by a strong downbeat. He conducts the audience to clap at 0:30 where they clap on what looks like a downbeat, but I would suggest he just conducts like this as there’s no way you can get an audience to clap on an upbeat.

    • @cherrylimesatan
      @cherrylimesatan 2 роки тому +475

      This will be the controversy that finally kicks off the civil war and resulting end of days.
      Definitely 7 for me personally.

    • @lewis2868
      @lewis2868 2 роки тому +303

      The snare backbeats hit on the 2, on the beat following the clap (which is the 1). End of story. He plays with the rhythmic placement later in the piece, that's the point of what he's doing, but that shouldn't change how it is notated from the beginning. Also the conducting which is clearly a full bar of 7 leading into the 1.

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 роки тому +133

      I feel it on 1 beacause of the snare crosstick "backbeat", like I'm not so used to hear snares on 1 so yeah.

    • @Paraselene_Tao
      @Paraselene_Tao 2 роки тому +37

      I totally agree on the 7. I practiced tuba from 6th grade to my senior year. I quit practicing after high school. Maybe someone knows better than me though.

    • @aladdinvonrabat183
      @aladdinvonrabat183 2 роки тому +19

      I read in the description, that Balthazar Maignan did the transcription? So why do you write, that YOU opted for the clap on 7?

  • @PolishBigfootCircle11
    @PolishBigfootCircle11 2 роки тому +12403

    Everyone thinks they can count to seven, until you have to do it over and over and over again

    • @int0x80
      @int0x80 2 роки тому +129

      @dogman It's better because it's one syllable; normally you have one, two, three, four, five, six and sev-en which feels off meter-wise.

    • @harveymartinez3079
      @harveymartinez3079 2 роки тому +1

      ouch

    • @johnnyreis6899
      @johnnyreis6899 2 роки тому +34

      @dogman i say "se'en" for the same reason

    • @ag7404
      @ag7404 2 роки тому +6

      マジでそれな

    • @vipermad358
      @vipermad358 2 роки тому +1

      OK. But what is the point?

  • @x3pher909
    @x3pher909 2 роки тому +30234

    Dunno what’s more impressive.
    The drummer, or that there is an audience on earth that some how managed to follow 7:4

    • @VincentKun
      @VincentKun 2 роки тому +742

      Is not even a 7/4, there is a 123.5 time
      Edit: Thank you all for making me notice my error, but you can also not be so rude in comments sometimes. Bye

    • @tomherschberg
      @tomherschberg 2 роки тому +1649

      I was at this show, I just watched Jaleel and clapped whenever he did because there was no chance I was following along

    • @therearebeesinmyeyesplease9650
      @therearebeesinmyeyesplease9650 2 роки тому +1297

      @@VincentKun Time signature and tempo are seperate things. Having a different tempo doesn't change the time signature, just the speed of the piece.

    • @snow3570
      @snow3570 2 роки тому +549

      @@VincentKun 123.5 is how many beats per minute. 4 is the type of note (quarter notes) and 7 is the amount of times that note appears in a bar. So the time signature is 7/4 and the bpm 123.5 :)

    • @randomdude1rd1
      @randomdude1rd1 2 роки тому +520

      7/4 is pretty simple to follow, it's the syncopations and polyrhythms that make it insanely hard here

  • @JonathanSinger
    @JonathanSinger 2 роки тому +1684

    I was in the audience for this gig at Space in Evanston. The energy was electric. Some of the comments have wondered how the audience was so good at clapping in 7 when so many audiences can't even clap in 4. My guess is that there were a ton of drummers in the audience that night. As a drummer, even in a dark club, I'm pretty good at picking out the difference between someone tapping their foot to the beat and someone thumping out a bass drum rhythm. There were lots of highly trained hands and feet at the gig that night. Thanks for recording and posting this. Good times.

    • @tarksurmani6335
      @tarksurmani6335 2 роки тому +49

      It's not that many people can't clap at 4, there usually is an asshole like me in the crowd, who with purpose claps off-beat to get other people fuck up. For some reason people find it hard to clap on 4, when person next to them claps beat later and in the next moment they are also clapping beat later.

    • @bigbroiswatchingyou2137
      @bigbroiswatchingyou2137 2 роки тому +28

      @@tarksurmani6335 It's the equivalent of trying to sing in church with someone going completely off-tune right behind you

    • @aitorSonGall
      @aitorSonGall Рік тому +3

      Singer is a drummer.

    • @jasonkae-smith188
      @jasonkae-smith188 11 місяців тому +3

      I was there as well! And yes, I'm a drummer.

    • @joywolf83
      @joywolf83 7 місяців тому +4

      naw I just watch the guy on stage and clap with him

  • @cesarmarchal558
    @cesarmarchal558 2 роки тому +521

    1:59 is just pure evil. Love it !

    • @eartherdelor
      @eartherdelor Рік тому +20

      do you know what kind of polyrhythm he is playing at that moment? so fiendish

    • @KaiserRika
      @KaiserRika 10 місяців тому +14

      It's like playing a remix level in a Rhythm Heaven game but in real life.

    • @cryms.
      @cryms. 5 місяців тому +11

      @@eartherdelor old comment, but he alternates the pattern of the kick and snare starting from beat 7 on the previous measure to be on every 4th note instead of on the beat. makes it sound like it's 5/4 but it's still played in the same triplets (each triplet now being a sixteenth note) as before, which is why it sounds like the tempo slowed down so much. plus, with where he started the pattern, there's a single extra triplet after the complete pseudo-5/4 bar before beat 7, which clearly threw a lot of people off in the audience

    • @punchgod
      @punchgod 3 місяці тому

      @@eartherdelormetric modulation

    • @DrippyWaffler
      @DrippyWaffler 21 день тому +1

      ​@@cryms. I rewound it several times and couldn't get that one!

  • @NateGH36O
    @NateGH36O 2 роки тому +16678

    That rhythmic displacement he does is just so mind boggling. It actually makes more sense on sheet music than I would’ve imagined it did though haha

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 роки тому +92

      @@comedelage1282 Thanks mate

    • @GeorgeCollier
      @GeorgeCollier  2 роки тому +396

      @@comedelage1282 He's in the description!

    • @joaluar
      @joaluar 2 роки тому +28

      I actually find it very boring, it's like 1/999999 of the stuff Chris Dave has been doing for 2 decades... After him, these players come evidently inspired by Chris, but with a very very shy approach. After Chris, most of the drummer's languages became obsolet, or a very shy, partial, incomplete borrowing from the inmense, huge rhythm language chris developed!

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 роки тому +152

      @@joaluar lol just listen to prog music mate

    • @NateGH36O
      @NateGH36O 2 роки тому +266

      @@joaluar I did not enjoy reading your comment, I’ll just say

  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo 2 роки тому +6833

    Well the audience didn't miss a beat

    • @Tsugimoto1
      @Tsugimoto1 2 роки тому +624

      Why is it no goddamn audience can keep tempo in 4/4 to save their lives, but when it's 7/8 suddenly we're all on the same page?
      Is it because now they actually have to pay close attention?

    • @moritzp.2920
      @moritzp.2920 2 роки тому +675

      @@Tsugimoto1 it probably was an audience full of musicians

    • @aidenanderson9310
      @aidenanderson9310 2 роки тому +20

      Wow, I never thought I would see you here. I used to watch your Thomas toy reviews when I was a kid. Small world

    • @scocassovegetus
      @scocassovegetus 2 роки тому +65

      The musicians on stage were giving the audience signals, inadvertent or not.

    • @Dubile
      @Dubile 2 роки тому +2

      @@aidenanderson9310 dang I used to watch that guy’s series on the redback spider tank. What a coincidence

  • @jamie6506
    @jamie6506 2 роки тому +5797

    I--
    I've played for audiences that couldn't stay consistent clapping along to a 4/4 beat; where in fresh hell do you find an entire audience that can keep up in 7/4??
    It's cute how people in the replies think an audience can't fail if someone is helping them. Fun fact about audiences: they refuse to be helped. I've performed pieces where our members clapped, too, and the audience ignored it. Audiences can be wacky like that

    • @RyanSmith-ut4dy
      @RyanSmith-ut4dy 2 роки тому +147

      I’m a drummer and this time sig baffles my little drummer boi brain 😂😂😂

    • @atteheikkinen
      @atteheikkinen 2 роки тому +275

      "Chicago, man"

    • @jamie6506
      @jamie6506 2 роки тому +28

      @@atteheikkinen I'm from Chicago!

    • @mason3872
      @mason3872 2 роки тому +46

      At least they are only clapping every bar so that makes it easier but I’m surprised people weren’t more off

    • @TheMathias95
      @TheMathias95 2 роки тому +21

      Just get a sax guy on the side who clap along, makes it's easier for the audience to just do what he does lol

  • @flashpoint5200
    @flashpoint5200 2 роки тому +296

    This would actually be a fun concept to teach to children. We had music classes when I was in grade school but we always focused on 4/4 and 3/4. There are fun ways to teach counting complex or polyrhythms but you really don't get to that point until around highschool or college.

    • @rbbl_
      @rbbl_ 2 роки тому +1

      69th like

  • @galgolombek7223
    @galgolombek7223 2 роки тому +5199

    Nate smith is one of the greatest funk drummers of this generation.
    Respect.

    • @mattlogan1
      @mattlogan1 2 роки тому +3

      Hate to say it but I don't really get the appeal - his playing is so busy that it's just distracting to me. Great as a solo artist and clinician but I can't stand him in vulf / flyers.

    • @strings1984
      @strings1984 2 роки тому +25

      I don't know what to say to Matt Logan there, this is the first I have seen of him... I think he George Collier and me need to play with a symphony as the audience, to beat this, cuz that audience actually has some musical talent. Not to even speak of the talent the respective artists have.

    • @zackmash851
      @zackmash851 2 роки тому +45

      how "busy" can a person who barely leaves the hi hat/snare/kick possible be lol

    • @mattlogan1
      @mattlogan1 2 роки тому +2

      @@zackmash851 You should watch a DCI snare line

    • @zackmash851
      @zackmash851 2 роки тому +7

      @@mattlogan1 i appreciate a good snare line, but the feat there isnt the musicianship but rather the coordination. nowhere near as musical as nate smith

  • @charliekelly3977
    @charliekelly3977 2 роки тому +11727

    As someone who doesn’t play an instrument and cannot read sheet music. I have absolutely no clue what is going on here. But I can tell it’s very impressive

    • @justiceofbook
      @justiceofbook 2 роки тому +513

      The time signature 7:4 is really weird, and hard to get used to if you’re not trained. Usually when reading sheet music, it’s common time (4/4), which is just, 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4. This is 7:4. I’ve never played in 7:4 so I don’t know how it goes, but I think it’s 7 quarter notes in a four note measure? I don’t know, but it’s super awkward sounding. Playing with this off-beat time signature is definitely impressive

    • @jambajoby32
      @jambajoby32 2 роки тому +84

      @@justiceofbook you are correct all the way.
      we all count differently but it’s important to feel the strong 1 aka downbeat

    • @brokenacoustic
      @brokenacoustic 2 роки тому +85

      As someone whos played guitar for 20 something years as a hobby, I have absolutely no clue what is going on here, but I can tell its very impressive lol I couldnt keep a beat if my heart depended on it!

    • @isaacpianos5208
      @isaacpianos5208 2 роки тому +59

      @@brokenacoustic as someone who's been studying music theory for the past four years, it's still really hard to keep up
      I've heard about some made up time signatures that are meant to be even crazier like 11/24, musicians are naturally insane

    • @permanenceinchange2326
      @permanenceinchange2326 2 роки тому +118

      @@isaacpianos5208 I'm an audio engineer. I have only learned to count 1,2 1,2 testing microphones ;)

  • @kireitonsi
    @kireitonsi 9 місяців тому +24

    Years of playing rhythm doctor have prepared me for this moment

    • @emeraldnickel
      @emeraldnickel Місяць тому +1

      Fact of the day: the first night level (the one with the samurai) switches to 7/4 halfway through! That’s why it’s way more difficult after that one bridge

    • @lycandusk7263
      @lycandusk7263 28 днів тому

      yep, dont speak manderin yet i still counted "yi er san su wu liu qi"

  • @howdeedoo
    @howdeedoo 2 роки тому +529

    As someone who has played a 7/4 piece before, i find it’s easier to count it as 1-2, 1-2, 1-2-3.

    • @eggskrodi5222
      @eggskrodi5222 2 роки тому +40

      you just made this so easy to follow tysm

    • @derickshu6098
      @derickshu6098 2 роки тому +24

      thats literally how conducter conduct 7/8 or 7/4 123 12 12 or 12 12 123

    • @raduslavila42
      @raduslavila42 2 роки тому +4

      You are a genius, sir. Thanks !

    • @dstfno
      @dstfno 2 роки тому +23

      Exactly. Or 4 + 3. I don’t know any musician who counts complex rhythms in large numbers. You always break it down into smaller pieces.

    • @Cristian-vl8pg
      @Cristian-vl8pg 2 роки тому +9

      Yeah that's how most musicians break down the structure of a piece. It helped me play more complex pieces when I used to be in band. Like Mars is a famous 5/4 piece but it is often counted and conducted as '1-2-3 1-2'

  • @aydenduke2556
    @aydenduke2556 2 роки тому +2675

    The notation of OOOW at 2:45 is crucial

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 роки тому +88

      Thanks, I found it funny so I add it 😊

    • @mysigt_
      @mysigt_ 2 роки тому +9

      @@BalthazarMaignan who are you?

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 роки тому +61

      @@mysigt_ actually, I did this transcription, it's written in the video description 😉

    • @mysigt_
      @mysigt_ 2 роки тому +28

      @@BalthazarMaignan oh, sorry. I assumed it was George. The OOOW was a crucial addition :)

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 роки тому +19

      @@mysigt_ it's okay, I had to tell him to actually put my name but he did so I'm happy with that

  • @mrbigg151
    @mrbigg151 2 роки тому +5791

    As impressed as I am with his set skills, I'm even more impressed at this impossible audience! I've never heard so many people keep the beat so well. They ALL must be experienced musicians

    • @carlpanzram2012
      @carlpanzram2012 2 роки тому +121

      Really?
      Am... Am i a experienced musician omg. 😳

    • @nobetter7747
      @nobetter7747 2 роки тому +204

      some people just have a natural flow for rythm

    • @Gollas4k
      @Gollas4k 2 роки тому +351

      it´s jazz people, they´re a special breed 😂

    • @218maryland
      @218maryland 2 роки тому +191

      Those who attend gigs like this are more likely lifelong music fans of challenging music (Jazz, Funk, etc.) with of course musicians in there as well

    • @garyallen7939
      @garyallen7939 2 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/ne6tB2KiZuk/v-deo.html Same concept

  • @thomcowley7332
    @thomcowley7332 2 роки тому +24

    That perfectly synchronised clap at 0:31 was quite satisfying

  • @brianf1295
    @brianf1295 2 роки тому +69

    A good portion of this I could follow by thinking of it as groups of 6, separated by a single clap, completing it to 7, and he was adding pauses on the clap evoking that feel. Essentially just 6/4 or however you like to think of it. But then he really throws the audience by starting what feels like a 4 feel right on the clap, and those are the spots where the audience seems to falters slightly. Super cool 😎

    • @henkdevries2002
      @henkdevries2002 2 роки тому +6

      Yes I was looking for this comment. Im used hearing Seven grouped as combinations of 3 and 4. But here its more like 6+1 or 3+3+1, this way of thinking of It makes It much easier to follow.

  • @donloder1
    @donloder1 2 роки тому +5564

    yall missed one genius on the back who unironically and unknowingly clapped on 4/4, and precisely on 4, the whole time.

    • @lionsasbirds1017
      @lionsasbirds1017 2 роки тому +1567

      everything is in 4/4 if you try hard enough

    • @liamernst9626
      @liamernst9626 2 роки тому +92

      I mean you aren't wrong...

    • @QuantumFluxable
      @QuantumFluxable 2 роки тому +597

      he's german, germans can only clap on 4/4. true story, source: i'm german

    • @tarksurmani6335
      @tarksurmani6335 2 роки тому +436

      To be honest this is one of the evil things I do. I on purpose, when people are clapping on beat, start clapping off beat to fuck up their clapping. Works 100% of time.

    • @liamernst9626
      @liamernst9626 2 роки тому +120

      @@tarksurmani6335 even better if you clap like 6/8 or something

  • @johnkalli7654
    @johnkalli7654 2 роки тому +1302

    This is why drummers are actual time lords! At 1:58 that groove threw me for a loop! What a prime display of talent, skill, and mastery of time :)

    • @diWHY_Jake
      @diWHY_Jake 2 роки тому +13

      Alright but how the heck do you count this? I can kinda count most of this but this one trips me up completely

    • @TheTheOpTiCJewel
      @TheTheOpTiCJewel 2 роки тому +19

      @@diWHY_Jake it’s the same exact way as the rest, it’s just played so slowly that it will throw you off (I’m not big on theory I just play that’s my take on it)

    • @dividad1
      @dividad1 2 роки тому +4

      This is a concept that was popular last year when a bunch of drummers started covering Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Lots of metric modulation

    • @Ysae791
      @Ysae791 9 місяців тому +3

      @@TheTheOpTiCJewel It doesn't get slower, he just makes it look that way

  • @spineboy
    @spineboy 2 роки тому +45

    I've written a lot of songs in 7, but this was a hard one to "feel". starts on 7, is syncopated. This dude is one solid thinking drummer. Impressive

  • @jujcianciolo
    @jujcianciolo Рік тому +4

    honored to be referenced in the title! love love love

  • @theartsyfarmer3748
    @theartsyfarmer3748 2 роки тому +2658

    How on earth did the audience keep up? I guess sometimes I forget that some people can feel rhythm and don’t need to count everything XD

    • @andybaldman
      @andybaldman 2 роки тому +205

      They were black.

    • @tremolo312
      @tremolo312 2 роки тому +45

      That's racist af 🙄
      Also who says they weren't counting? You don't know either way

    • @andybaldman
      @andybaldman 2 роки тому +149

      @@tremolo312 It isn't 'racist' any more than saying black people have darker skin. It's just a fact, that you can observe if you look close enough. They have better rhythm, on average, and the average is what shows when you have a room full of people. And that isn't derogatory, it's a compliment.

    • @TheBanana93
      @TheBanana93 2 роки тому +94

      @@tremolo312 Just look at a room full of white people dancing and then compare that to a room full of POC dancing. Mate there is a difference!

    • @ethanolsampsonite7407
      @ethanolsampsonite7407 2 роки тому +111

      @@andybaldman African tribes have been doing rhythmic rituals for spiritual practices for millennium. I don't know how Mr. Ron over here could possibly think that it's racist to say that they are more in tune with rhythm than other phenotypes. They definitely are lmao! Ragtime? Bebop? Jazz? Rhythm and blues? Rock? Funk? Hip hop? Like fuck yeah they got rhythm in their DNA it isn't hard to tell.

  • @teogrunhut8764
    @teogrunhut8764 2 роки тому +106

    When the drummer says: "Let's play it in 7/4":

  • @fabman132
    @fabman132 2 роки тому +48

    This had to have been for an audience of percussionists or something right? How I the bloody crikey hell did they keep time so well as a collective. Insane.

  • @papercane6423
    @papercane6423 2 роки тому +16

    I'm high, and i tried to clap along, first couple tries were not cool, but at one point i got that hihat pulse and just kept up with the timing all way to the end, that was N I C E

  • @william_2007
    @william_2007 2 роки тому +675

    I can’t count to seven regularly, let alone to this… Impressive!

    • @ryanthepianoman27
      @ryanthepianoman27 2 роки тому +3

      1 2 3… what comes next?

    • @siege6876
      @siege6876 2 роки тому +7

      1 2 3 4 1 2 3, thats how i count it

    • @stevelin3659
      @stevelin3659 2 роки тому +1

      @@ryanthepianoman27 1223454564567567

  • @thesheetmusicman
    @thesheetmusicman 2 роки тому +91

    They got me clapping behind my computer screen looking like a bozo.

  • @nikosnikos5082
    @nikosnikos5082 2 роки тому +20

    as a drummer i find the composition of the piece quite impressive entertaining and refreshing

  • @johnr.9589
    @johnr.9589 2 роки тому +10

    I like how the audience cheers louder the more they fail haha what an awesome dynamic

  • @fatherof3husbandto1
    @fatherof3husbandto1 2 роки тому +627

    This guy here does not get the credit and admiration he deserves. I know hes got a following and a name that people recognize, but this man is at the very top of his game like ive never seen before.

    • @cooldebt
      @cooldebt 2 роки тому +11

      Many musicians don't get the recognition they deserve. I love The Consouls (who did a few VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures eg Enter Waka) but they only have just under 60 000 subs on their channel.

    • @idglet9565
      @idglet9565 2 роки тому +2

      @@cooldebt You're the first ever person to ever bring up The Consouls outside of their own videos. They are great.

  • @ArcherWillows
    @ArcherWillows 2 роки тому +875

    definitely an audience of musicians or prog fans that could instinctively count in 7/4 immediately

    • @cupparuppa
      @cupparuppa 2 роки тому +67

      i don't think you need to be a prog musician to count to seven man

    • @qqNai
      @qqNai 2 роки тому +6

      @@cupparuppa LOLLL

    • @ArcherWillows
      @ArcherWillows 2 роки тому +24

      @@cupparuppa you'd be surprised

    • @calebpeters2544
      @calebpeters2544 2 роки тому +25

      nah this is chicago man

    • @zon6158
      @zon6158 2 роки тому +3

      nah dude i don’t play an instrument or anything but i could count to this with relative ease as most people could i think it’s just a normal crowd lol

  • @VexChoccyMilk
    @VexChoccyMilk Рік тому +1

    Headbanging to Meshuggah for years has prepared me for this moment.

  • @LeighDWYC
    @LeighDWYC 2 роки тому +3

    What a fantastic drummer! Sliding in and out of so many different rhythms while still maintaining the timing is amazing.

  • @imrrodri
    @imrrodri 2 роки тому +340

    1:57 - 2:02 melted my brain

    • @TheGoldielox
      @TheGoldielox 2 роки тому +14

      I think it's kind of like a hemiola going from a 21/8 feel into a 7/4 feel but my brain melted too. The pulse of the 8th note triplets never change but the rest of the groove arranges itself into groups of 4.

    • @TheSquareOnes
      @TheSquareOnes 2 роки тому +8

      @@TheGoldielox You're overcomplicating it, it's just grouping the 3s into 4s until he runs out of room in the measure. It's not even that rigid either, you can see that he extends the last one to a group of 5 because otherwise there would be a messy hit right next to the clap (not messy for him obviously, but when you factor in the audience).
      If you want to analyze this as a specific theory technique it would be metric modulation, shifting to a slightly slower tempo where the 8th note is equal to the rate of the 8th note triplet in the previous measure. It's so short-lived though that there's really no reason to think of it that way either, simple grouping communicates the same idea much easier. It's basically the same concept as when people write those dotted quarter note grooves that get cut off in 4/4 (3+3+2 and 3+3+3+3+2+2, hopefully it's clear what I'm talking about since they're everywhere) that are all over pop, rock and every other genre. It just seems alien here because people don't normally regroup triplets and don't normally play with that level of syncopation at all in 7/4.

    • @jeremystig98
      @jeremystig98 2 роки тому +2

      He's playing triplets with every 4th note accented instead of every 3rd. Thats what grouping of 4 means. That way it doesnt feel like triplets anymore, altought it actually is.

  • @Foxxorz
    @Foxxorz 2 роки тому +21

    This seems like the kind of stuff drummers figure out when they get bored.

  • @diarmaidmac2149
    @diarmaidmac2149 2 роки тому +7

    Normally I hate extended drum solos but I could listen to this all day! Amazing!

  • @wofie9785
    @wofie9785 2 роки тому +161

    definitely an audience of musicians. also, his playing is so tight I cannot comprehend

    • @peterg5383
      @peterg5383 2 роки тому +4

      that's called "thousands of hours of practice"

  • @ExtraFancy96
    @ExtraFancy96 2 роки тому +305

    Nate Smith man... also, you should check out a drummer named Petar who plays with Cory Wong, specifically a clip from his live in Minneapolis concert where he is teaching 25/8. Around the one hour 20 minute mark

    • @ExtraFancy96
      @ExtraFancy96 2 роки тому +5

      @@tonalddrump255 give me my chipotle

    • @solkvist8668
      @solkvist8668 2 роки тому +5

      Give me my chipotle is wonderful. Saw him in Bloomington the day after that recording. An awesome concert

    • @tonalddrump255
      @tonalddrump255 2 роки тому +1

      @@ExtraFancy96 I want chips, I want guac

    • @ExtraFancy96
      @ExtraFancy96 2 роки тому +1

      @@tonalddrump255 give me my chipote

    • @YoshiEgg25
      @YoshiEgg25 2 роки тому +3

      Petar Janjic! I thought of the exact same thing while watching this. "Give me my Chipotle, give me my Chipotle. I want chips, I want guac. Give me my Chipotle, ONE!"

  • @ikeatable1
    @ikeatable1 9 місяців тому +2

    I learned very early on listening to technical music that the hi-hat is your best friend in funky time signatures or polyrhythms.

  • @jesscee5331
    @jesscee5331 4 місяці тому

    Just found you guys and right on treated with a new song.
    Stay true to yourSelf guys, you are awesome and pure.
    Love from the Netherlands 🙏❤️

  • @Joshyrachi
    @Joshyrachi 2 роки тому +491

    I'm a musician who prides himself on his rhythmic capabilities. I would have goofed after the second measure.

    • @flippedmasterguardian
      @flippedmasterguardian 2 роки тому +39

      It's incredibly hard to keep track of after he starts his rhythmic illusions, it's amazing that the drummer could keep track himself

    • @charliecampbell6851
      @charliecampbell6851 2 роки тому +9

      Second measure? Yikes......

    • @AwesomeMan2696
      @AwesomeMan2696 2 роки тому +1

      It’s not hard if you count in your head, but if you don’t it can be tricky

    • @Wtahc
      @Wtahc 2 роки тому +4

      then your rhythmic capabilities are bad

    • @peterg5383
      @peterg5383 2 роки тому +2

      then your pride is undeserved; you overestimate yourself. you'll come to find that the greatest artists are also the most humble.

  • @jackyjack121
    @jackyjack121 2 роки тому +88

    I love this! Same idea that the first few levels of the game “Rhythm Doctor” are based on, on just how hard it is to count to 7 if you dont have an internal beat

    • @absolutelyincognito6719
      @absolutelyincognito6719 2 роки тому +7

      Well, sort of. I just finished Rhythm Doctor, and unlike this video the 7th beat we actually clap on is actually just the fourth beat of 4/4 time. We're counting in eighths which is why it's the seventh beat in the game. It's easier to count to seven in the game than in this video.
      Semi-Spoilers for the game:
      Except for that one level of the game, N1-X, which actually is in 7/4 time.

  • @bradmuehlenbein
    @bradmuehlenbein Рік тому +1

    Best crowd participation by a long shot

  • @dragons_hook
    @dragons_hook 10 місяців тому +1

    Its like hes playing a game with the audience, thats so cool!

  • @gertnood
    @gertnood 2 роки тому +36

    That's a riot, thanks for transcribing it George. His conducting for one bar didn't help at all where 1 was either, but I'll go with clap on 7. This on of those videos you send to all your music-head friends.

    • @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119
      @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 2 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/0tmGhzpn6SQ/v-deo.html it was out there since almost 2 years😉

    • @gertnood
      @gertnood 2 роки тому

      @@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK, so what? I just saw it.

    • @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119
      @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 2 роки тому

      @@gertnood just wanted to share.. maybe this with the clap on 1 makes more sense or maybe not

    • @gertnood
      @gertnood 2 роки тому

      @@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK I see.. didn't know what you meant. I tend to think the challenge is to know where 7 is, and the downbeat is on the bass drum quarter note as George has it written. Either way it is pretty neat.

  • @Wyshes
    @Wyshes 2 роки тому +3

    The Great Nate Smith - was a matter of time before this legendary video ended up on here.

  • @jaykay3512
    @jaykay3512 2 роки тому +1

    Absolutely love this. The beauty of rhythm that exists through music. Have fun with it!

  • @lookitdatassby
    @lookitdatassby Рік тому

    I spent about a month trying to find this particular video. I made sure to add it to my playlist and to give a sub so I can keep seeing cool transcription videos. Your fun editor notes fill me with power.

  • @aproc_
    @aproc_ 2 роки тому +183

    An argument for clap on one: it makes the kick pattern symmetrical around the barline (ie it's two repetitions of a pattern in 7/8 beginning on the downbeat).
    I feel very strongly about this!

    • @daryl-anthonymitchell6786
      @daryl-anthonymitchell6786 2 роки тому +1

      It helps the audience keep pace

    • @startingQB
      @startingQB 2 роки тому +6

      Clapping on one is easier. Maybe that's why he had them clap on 7.

    • @robzecc
      @robzecc 2 роки тому +9

      It's totally clap on ONE

    • @sevenorys
      @sevenorys 2 роки тому

      Read the notation. It’s claps on 7

    • @danthemaninapan
      @danthemaninapan 2 роки тому +1

      I agree it sounds way more natural with clap on the one, at least to Western ears used to 4 on the floor. That's how I heard it before the sheet music

  • @NuclearSpinach
    @NuclearSpinach 2 роки тому +11

    I played classical and ragtime piano for many years and I struggled a lot here and I'm not even ashamed

  • @d4ben
    @d4ben 2 роки тому +1

    Freakin' amazing l absolutely loved this vid thanks so much for the post.

  • @PierreVG
    @PierreVG 2 роки тому

    This is incredible. Such a good audience.
    That was very fun to watch !

  • @TancrediLoCigno
    @TancrediLoCigno 2 роки тому +73

    guys, the transcription is all displaced by 1/4 note in the past. the audience is obviously clapping the 1, you can also understand this from the backbeats on 2, 4 and 6 when he starts to groove

    • @Symbioticism
      @Symbioticism 2 роки тому +2

      Agree

    • @GeorgeCollier
      @GeorgeCollier  2 роки тому +15

      You could say that and it’s a matter of preference, but most of it feels like the clap is on 7. Particularly 1:13 and 1:43. But the transcription is available for free if you want to change it :)

    • @ubershmuck
      @ubershmuck 2 роки тому +15

      ​@@GeorgeCollier the claps def supposed to be felt as 1, why would nate play a backbeat on beat 1? the groove makes wayy more sense shifted a quarter over

    • @manflutewarrior
      @manflutewarrior 2 роки тому +11

      @@GeorgeCollier he actually conducts a bar of it himself at around the 0:27 mark and the clap is on the downbeat. I think it makes a little more sense that way, but I'm still glad for the transcription

    • @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119
      @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 2 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/0tmGhzpn6SQ/v-deo.html

  • @kevindasilva7279
    @kevindasilva7279 2 роки тому +10

    Wow that first 7 groove he did was IMMACULATE and beautiful. I have made it my life-long goal to find and also create odd-time grooves/compositions that sound natural and not those that intentionally use the odd nature of them to get that 4 feel but break it midway. Not that I dislike songs like that, but it is so rare to find songs like From Eden - Hozier. I also want to release a few odd-time ideas on my own channel... Just need to record them well :)

    • @cooldebt
      @cooldebt 2 роки тому +1

      The Consouls went through a period where they did their VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures - you might enjoy their versions of Enter Waka or Night Walker in 7 (for their 7th birthday), Space Walk or Crystal Snail (OST mostly in 13/8) and a few others

  • @drumskentala
    @drumskentala 2 роки тому +1

    I was at this show! Great post, love Nate’s playing and musicianship.

  • @dearthofdoohickeys4703
    @dearthofdoohickeys4703 2 роки тому +50

    I only ever did a few years of band class in high school, but one thing I learned was: when the drummer didn’t show up, we sounded like booty-butt cheeks. Drummers are crucial.

  • @jweberends
    @jweberends 2 роки тому +5

    I like how the drummers "OOOW" is also in the music tabs

  • @roadworkahead8967
    @roadworkahead8967 2 роки тому +3

    That crowd is very lucky I was not in that audience.. I would have probably messed that up so miserably. It would be truly an embarrassing sight

  • @fredsottile528
    @fredsottile528 2 роки тому

    What a wonderful display.
    I would have loved to have heard that vintage-looking drum set.

  • @ElGrilledCheezus
    @ElGrilledCheezus Рік тому +3

    That whole audience deserves an award

  • @alexanderallegra432
    @alexanderallegra432 2 роки тому +62

    Check out king gizzard and the lizard wizard, they had two drummers and their use of 7/8 timing allowed them to alternate between having beat one either be a down beat or syncopated beat for every bar, kind of like the way he is alternating each bar.

    • @nolongerjuicyboiz4413
      @nolongerjuicyboiz4413 2 роки тому +4

      which tune?

    • @HieronymousLex
      @HieronymousLex 2 роки тому +7

      Bruh there’s like countless bands that use 7 and a load of other time signatures. King Gizzard is nowhere near as mathy as it gets, especially in the prog world.

    • @alexchimi7093
      @alexchimi7093 2 роки тому +14

      @@HieronymousLex i don't think he's kg&tlw is special for using 7, i think they're special because they use 7 AND 2 drummers allowing for some crazy syncopation

    • @HieronymousLex
      @HieronymousLex 2 роки тому +2

      @@alexchimi7093 having two drummers doesn’t equal more syncopation. Also syncopation isn’t related to time signatures at all, so having 2 drummers playing in 7 has nothing to do with syncopation, just saying.
      Believe me, I’ve been listening to Gizz for years. I love them lol. But I’m a drummer so I’m just saying.

    • @alexchimi7093
      @alexchimi7093 2 роки тому +8

      @@HieronymousLex Of course it doesn't, but it's much easier to syncopate and incorporate more complex rhythms if one drummer is focused on one rhythm and the other in another lol

  • @TheFarmersLife
    @TheFarmersLife Рік тому +3

    In high school jazz we played the Mission Impossible theme. That arrangement switched every measure back and forth from 5/4 to 4/4. The only way I could play it was to ignore that and know how the song went.

  • @lizcrosby8303
    @lizcrosby8303 2 роки тому

    This is THE MOST ENTERTAINING thing I’ve seen in UA-cam all year!!!🔥🔥🔥

  • @ripleyhrgiger4669
    @ripleyhrgiger4669 Рік тому

    This is one of the most exciting and kick ass grooves ever! He's a wonderful drummer and teacher.

  • @Caddynars
    @Caddynars Рік тому +5

    Years of drumming paid off, actually managed to keep the timing even with the off beats.

  • @TheBcoolGuy
    @TheBcoolGuy 11 місяців тому +6

    3:02 Hold on a minute...

  • @Soohook
    @Soohook 2 роки тому +1

    So impressed and the audience was excellent for keeping up.

  • @daffpranco2513
    @daffpranco2513 2 роки тому

    Thank you very much for the transcription

  • @hitomi7922
    @hitomi7922 2 роки тому +4

    I never thought my brain could hurt so much (in a good way) from listening to a drum beat. This was awesome lol.

  • @sbfcapnj
    @sbfcapnj 2 роки тому +14

    You can clearly see him counting all this shit out and, as a drummer, this gives me tremendous amounts of a very special and unique anxiety.

    • @vipermad358
      @vipermad358 2 роки тому

      It's a neat trick, but you can't dance to it!

    • @renz-ey707
      @renz-ey707 2 роки тому +2

      @@vipermad358 You can totally dance to it.

  • @jazzman2516
    @jazzman2516 2 роки тому

    Absolutely awesome! And the fact that you put ‘ooow’ in the score cracked me up.

  • @g_niac
    @g_niac Рік тому

    such a commanding and unifying moment! that’s a bond that is specific to those who were there for the rest of time. world needs more of this practice

  • @jakedarida196
    @jakedarida196 2 роки тому +48

    Nate Smith never fails at being absolutely mind blowing

  • @MrHestichs
    @MrHestichs 2 роки тому +54

    Isn't the clap on the 1? Considering his phrasing and also the fact he is playing a back beat.

    • @lpharmer3496
      @lpharmer3496 2 роки тому +5

      I'm not knowledgeable enough to say yes, but that's how I hear it

    • @Moomoomarios
      @Moomoomarios 2 роки тому +2

      Thats how i hear it

    • @alonewanderer4697
      @alonewanderer4697 2 роки тому +11

      To me he claps on the seven

    • @MrHestichs
      @MrHestichs 2 роки тому +7

      @@lpharmer3496 If you can percieve the groove you are knowledgeable enough.

    • @YoYo10542
      @YoYo10542 2 роки тому +3

      I certainly think so. He’s phrasing the bass drum in 4+3 it feels like (and that’s how he conducts it) so I think the clap should be on 1
      Plus it feels like the snare should be on the backbeats of 2&4

  • @seoultrip25
    @seoultrip25 2 роки тому +1

    Sax guy barely managed to keep the audience train from otherwise inevitable catastrophic derailment.

  • @allstheartist
    @allstheartist 7 місяців тому +2

    i love when the audience’s clapping gets more hesitant

  • @gertnood
    @gertnood 2 роки тому +29

    Grouping the triplets in fours finally did the trick.. jeezy petes that's tough. Stupid drummers. LOL as a lowly trumpet player tracking the beat through some of this hurts my limited brain.

  • @jamesgarrison9143
    @jamesgarrison9143 2 роки тому +3

    Ah, as a percussionist, we all love these irregular time signatures

  • @davidgpeterson
    @davidgpeterson 2 роки тому +2

    This is mind boggling. An unbelievably creative and technical groove.

  • @adrianlang6550
    @adrianlang6550 3 місяці тому

    Wonderful. Very clever, and great fun. As a drummer I love this type of inventiveness.

  • @DerFliegendeMocca
    @DerFliegendeMocca 2 роки тому +9

    I love how the only difference between just doing stuff and people counting to 7 and being a pro is that he knows when they clap and nods his head. :D

  • @carlpanzram2012
    @carlpanzram2012 2 роки тому +3

    Forget about keeping track of the beat, imagine what the drummer mist be feeling. This is this "draw circles wotjthe left and squares with the right hand" in 5 Dimensions

  • @tjblackmore7863
    @tjblackmore7863 5 місяців тому

    Amazing transcription, really helps to see what’s going on musically.

  • @benodaboy
    @benodaboy 2 роки тому

    Simply the most impressive thing I've ever seen on a kit. Incredible.

  • @AllanFelipe
    @AllanFelipe 2 роки тому +17

    Does anyone else hears the clap in beat 6 instead of 7? I guess both can be heard or even beat 1, but my ear seems to prefer beat 6.

    • @tastyanagram
      @tastyanagram 2 роки тому +3

      Yes

    • @irok1
      @irok1 2 роки тому +1

      So you're hearing the start of the bars as leadups into the bar, that makes sense

    • @jutube821
      @jutube821 2 роки тому +4

      Same here, I've watched it twice now and it's a 6 for me. That's what makes sense musically in my brain's "rhythm receptors". I can see how it can be a 1 or 7 but it's not natural to me, 6 is.

  • @PitXRoxas
    @PitXRoxas 2 роки тому +8

    as a flutist who cannot count:
    i must say, this is very impressive

    • @rachelmclaughlin1491
      @rachelmclaughlin1491 Рік тому

      if someone counts for me I'm fine, counting and playing I can't do xD

  • @jylpah
    @jylpah Рік тому +2

    Hats off for the drummer. That was insane. 👏🏻

  • @VexxJam
    @VexxJam 2 роки тому

    Mastery!!! I'd love to jam with this guy 🙌

  • @FlOuRiShFrIeDeR
    @FlOuRiShFrIeDeR 2 роки тому +16

    woops i feel the clap on the 1 😞

    • @lpharmer3496
      @lpharmer3496 2 роки тому +2

      Same I can't break myself of from hearing "clap" 234567 "clap" ...

    • @tangsolaris9533
      @tangsolaris9533 2 роки тому +1

      It's deliberately tricky

    • @BalthazarMaignan
      @BalthazarMaignan 2 роки тому +1

      I wrote it that way at first but he changed it, must be a musical choice

    • @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119
      @danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 2 роки тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/0tmGhzpn6SQ/v-deo.html here you go

  • @nissanv6TT
    @nissanv6TT 2 роки тому +3

    I'd be in the crowd clapping wrong just to try to mess him up but he's just too good lol

  • @TheXandraPanda
    @TheXandraPanda 2 роки тому

    The way he weaves in and out of pocket is so amazing

  • @mollyrose2896
    @mollyrose2896 2 роки тому +1

    This actually helped me understand counting 7 much better. Thank you!

  • @jimjam1556
    @jimjam1556 2 роки тому +15

    I feel like the bar should be shifted over a quarter note, with the clap being on beat 1. That way you would get all the snares on the off beats instead of beats 1 3 and 5 which just feels wrong imo.

  • @Ceekayedmusic
    @Ceekayedmusic 2 роки тому +4

    The way I got through the brainbenders of 1:58 and 2:10 on time was that I was playing a a keyboard lick in 7 to this to help counting. Muscle memory > brain.

  • @Dev1nci
    @Dev1nci 2 роки тому

    This is just great. I come back every now and then 😄

  • @FelipeCotta
    @FelipeCotta 4 місяці тому

    Amazing control and musicality🔥

  • @wereboarder2009
    @wereboarder2009 2 роки тому +3

    On my 7th play-through, I finally learned to to count to 7.

  • @brandonswickdrums1615
    @brandonswickdrums1615 2 роки тому +5

    Awesome! Clap is undoubtedly on beat 1 instead of 7 tho. He both conducts it that way and it feels way better with the back beat coming in on beat 2 right after

  • @milkgrapes6420
    @milkgrapes6420 Рік тому +2

    I absolutely love the minimal use of the drum kit. Nate Smith.

  • @johntheappleseed6585
    @johntheappleseed6585 Рік тому +1

    I come back to this video every now and then to practice clapping to the beat. This drummer's insane