Comments are half split between clap on 1 and clap on 7. I’ve opted for 7 as that just feels right - the clap is always followed by a strong downbeat. He conducts the audience to clap at 0:30 where they clap on what looks like a downbeat, but I would suggest he just conducts like this as there’s no way you can get an audience to clap on an upbeat.
The snare backbeats hit on the 2, on the beat following the clap (which is the 1). End of story. He plays with the rhythmic placement later in the piece, that's the point of what he's doing, but that shouldn't change how it is notated from the beginning. Also the conducting which is clearly a full bar of 7 leading into the 1.
I totally agree on the 7. I practiced tuba from 6th grade to my senior year. I quit practicing after high school. Maybe someone knows better than me though.
@@VincentKun 123.5 is how many beats per minute. 4 is the type of note (quarter notes) and 7 is the amount of times that note appears in a bar. So the time signature is 7/4 and the bpm 123.5 :)
I actually find it very boring, it's like 1/999999 of the stuff Chris Dave has been doing for 2 decades... After him, these players come evidently inspired by Chris, but with a very very shy approach. After Chris, most of the drummer's languages became obsolet, or a very shy, partial, incomplete borrowing from the inmense, huge rhythm language chris developed!
I was in the audience for this gig at Space in Evanston. The energy was electric. Some of the comments have wondered how the audience was so good at clapping in 7 when so many audiences can't even clap in 4. My guess is that there were a ton of drummers in the audience that night. As a drummer, even in a dark club, I'm pretty good at picking out the difference between someone tapping their foot to the beat and someone thumping out a bass drum rhythm. There were lots of highly trained hands and feet at the gig that night. Thanks for recording and posting this. Good times.
It's not that many people can't clap at 4, there usually is an asshole like me in the crowd, who with purpose claps off-beat to get other people fuck up. For some reason people find it hard to clap on 4, when person next to them claps beat later and in the next moment they are also clapping beat later.
@@eartherdelor old comment, but he alternates the pattern of the kick and snare starting from beat 7 on the previous measure to be on every 4th note instead of on the beat. makes it sound like it's 5/4 but it's still played in the same triplets (each triplet now being a sixteenth note) as before, which is why it sounds like the tempo slowed down so much. plus, with where he started the pattern, there's a single extra triplet after the complete pseudo-5/4 bar before beat 7, which clearly threw a lot of people off in the audience
Hate to say it but I don't really get the appeal - his playing is so busy that it's just distracting to me. Great as a solo artist and clinician but I can't stand him in vulf / flyers.
I don't know what to say to Matt Logan there, this is the first I have seen of him... I think he George Collier and me need to play with a symphony as the audience, to beat this, cuz that audience actually has some musical talent. Not to even speak of the talent the respective artists have.
@@mattlogan1 i appreciate a good snare line, but the feat there isnt the musicianship but rather the coordination. nowhere near as musical as nate smith
As someone who doesn’t play an instrument and cannot read sheet music. I have absolutely no clue what is going on here. But I can tell it’s very impressive
The time signature 7:4 is really weird, and hard to get used to if you’re not trained. Usually when reading sheet music, it’s common time (4/4), which is just, 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4. This is 7:4. I’ve never played in 7:4 so I don’t know how it goes, but I think it’s 7 quarter notes in a four note measure? I don’t know, but it’s super awkward sounding. Playing with this off-beat time signature is definitely impressive
As someone whos played guitar for 20 something years as a hobby, I have absolutely no clue what is going on here, but I can tell its very impressive lol I couldnt keep a beat if my heart depended on it!
@@acousticpsychosis as someone who's been studying music theory for the past four years, it's still really hard to keep up I've heard about some made up time signatures that are meant to be even crazier like 11/24, musicians are naturally insane
As impressed as I am with his set skills, I'm even more impressed at this impossible audience! I've never heard so many people keep the beat so well. They ALL must be experienced musicians
I-- I've played for audiences that couldn't stay consistent clapping along to a 4/4 beat; where in fresh hell do you find an entire audience that can keep up in 7/4?? It's cute how people in the replies think an audience can't fail if someone is helping them. Fun fact about audiences: they refuse to be helped. I've performed pieces where our members clapped, too, and the audience ignored it. Audiences can be wacky like that
This would actually be a fun concept to teach to children. We had music classes when I was in grade school but we always focused on 4/4 and 3/4. There are fun ways to teach counting complex or polyrhythms but you really don't get to that point until around highschool or college.
Why is it no goddamn audience can keep tempo in 4/4 to save their lives, but when it's 7/8 suddenly we're all on the same page? Is it because now they actually have to pay close attention?
To be honest this is one of the evil things I do. I on purpose, when people are clapping on beat, start clapping off beat to fuck up their clapping. Works 100% of time.
Fact of the day: the first night level (the one with the samurai) switches to 7/4 halfway through! That’s why it’s way more difficult after that one bridge
@@diWHY_Jake it’s the same exact way as the rest, it’s just played so slowly that it will throw you off (I’m not big on theory I just play that’s my take on it)
@@tremolo312 It isn't 'racist' any more than saying black people have darker skin. It's just a fact, that you can observe if you look close enough. They have better rhythm, on average, and the average is what shows when you have a room full of people. And that isn't derogatory, it's a compliment.
@@andybaldman African tribes have been doing rhythmic rituals for spiritual practices for millennium. I don't know how Mr. Ron over here could possibly think that it's racist to say that they are more in tune with rhythm than other phenotypes. They definitely are lmao! Ragtime? Bebop? Jazz? Rhythm and blues? Rock? Funk? Hip hop? Like fuck yeah they got rhythm in their DNA it isn't hard to tell.
This guy here does not get the credit and admiration he deserves. I know hes got a following and a name that people recognize, but this man is at the very top of his game like ive never seen before.
Many musicians don't get the recognition they deserve. I love The Consouls (who did a few VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures eg Enter Waka) but they only have just under 60 000 subs on their channel.
Yeah that's how most musicians break down the structure of a piece. It helped me play more complex pieces when I used to be in band. Like Mars is a famous 5/4 piece but it is often counted and conducted as '1-2-3 1-2'
This had to have been for an audience of percussionists or something right? How I the bloody crikey hell did they keep time so well as a collective. Insane.
I'm high, and i tried to clap along, first couple tries were not cool, but at one point i got that hihat pulse and just kept up with the timing all way to the end, that was N I C E
I think it's kind of like a hemiola going from a 21/8 feel into a 7/4 feel but my brain melted too. The pulse of the 8th note triplets never change but the rest of the groove arranges itself into groups of 4.
@@TheGoldielox You're overcomplicating it, it's just grouping the 3s into 4s until he runs out of room in the measure. It's not even that rigid either, you can see that he extends the last one to a group of 5 because otherwise there would be a messy hit right next to the clap (not messy for him obviously, but when you factor in the audience). If you want to analyze this as a specific theory technique it would be metric modulation, shifting to a slightly slower tempo where the 8th note is equal to the rate of the 8th note triplet in the previous measure. It's so short-lived though that there's really no reason to think of it that way either, simple grouping communicates the same idea much easier. It's basically the same concept as when people write those dotted quarter note grooves that get cut off in 4/4 (3+3+2 and 3+3+3+3+2+2, hopefully it's clear what I'm talking about since they're everywhere) that are all over pop, rock and every other genre. It just seems alien here because people don't normally regroup triplets and don't normally play with that level of syncopation at all in 7/4.
He's playing triplets with every 4th note accented instead of every 3rd. Thats what grouping of 4 means. That way it doesnt feel like triplets anymore, altought it actually is.
A good portion of this I could follow by thinking of it as groups of 6, separated by a single clap, completing it to 7, and he was adding pauses on the clap evoking that feel. Essentially just 6/4 or however you like to think of it. But then he really throws the audience by starting what feels like a 4 feel right on the clap, and those are the spots where the audience seems to falters slightly. Super cool 😎
Yes I was looking for this comment. Im used hearing Seven grouped as combinations of 3 and 4. But here its more like 6+1 or 3+3+1, this way of thinking of It makes It much easier to follow.
I love this! Same idea that the first few levels of the game “Rhythm Doctor” are based on, on just how hard it is to count to 7 if you dont have an internal beat
Well, sort of. I just finished Rhythm Doctor, and unlike this video the 7th beat we actually clap on is actually just the fourth beat of 4/4 time. We're counting in eighths which is why it's the seventh beat in the game. It's easier to count to seven in the game than in this video. Semi-Spoilers for the game: Except for that one level of the game, N1-X, which actually is in 7/4 time.
That's a riot, thanks for transcribing it George. His conducting for one bar didn't help at all where 1 was either, but I'll go with clap on 7. This on of those videos you send to all your music-head friends.
@@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK I see.. didn't know what you meant. I tend to think the challenge is to know where 7 is, and the downbeat is on the bass drum quarter note as George has it written. Either way it is pretty neat.
I know most people are taking this comment in jest, like was the intent, but I'd suggest the others to not take things so seriously. I get that it's sometimes hard to understand humor over text, but even if this was a 100% real comment, being negative doesn't really help anyone. Anyway happy counting. 🙂
Nate Smith man... also, you should check out a drummer named Petar who plays with Cory Wong, specifically a clip from his live in Minneapolis concert where he is teaching 25/8. Around the one hour 20 minute mark
Petar Janjic! I thought of the exact same thing while watching this. "Give me my Chipotle, give me my Chipotle. I want chips, I want guac. Give me my Chipotle, ONE!"
Showed this to my 9 year old daughter tonight. She just got cast for her first percussion role at school. I've been a drummer for 35 years...makes me really happy to see her analytical brain applied to music.
guys, the transcription is all displaced by 1/4 note in the past. the audience is obviously clapping the 1, you can also understand this from the backbeats on 2, 4 and 6 when he starts to groove
You could say that and it’s a matter of preference, but most of it feels like the clap is on 7. Particularly 1:13 and 1:43. But the transcription is available for free if you want to change it :)
@@GeorgeCollier the claps def supposed to be felt as 1, why would nate play a backbeat on beat 1? the groove makes wayy more sense shifted a quarter over
@@GeorgeCollier he actually conducts a bar of it himself at around the 0:27 mark and the clap is on the downbeat. I think it makes a little more sense that way, but I'm still glad for the transcription
An argument for clap on one: it makes the kick pattern symmetrical around the barline (ie it's two repetitions of a pattern in 7/8 beginning on the downbeat). I feel very strongly about this!
I only ever did a few years of band class in high school, but one thing I learned was: when the drummer didn’t show up, we sounded like booty-butt cheeks. Drummers are crucial.
In high school jazz we played the Mission Impossible theme. That arrangement switched every measure back and forth from 5/4 to 4/4. The only way I could play it was to ignore that and know how the song went.
Wow that first 7 groove he did was IMMACULATE and beautiful. I have made it my life-long goal to find and also create odd-time grooves/compositions that sound natural and not those that intentionally use the odd nature of them to get that 4 feel but break it midway. Not that I dislike songs like that, but it is so rare to find songs like From Eden - Hozier. I also want to release a few odd-time ideas on my own channel... Just need to record them well :)
The Consouls went through a period where they did their VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures - you might enjoy their versions of Enter Waka or Night Walker in 7 (for their 7th birthday), Space Walk or Crystal Snail (OST mostly in 13/8) and a few others
Check out king gizzard and the lizard wizard, they had two drummers and their use of 7/8 timing allowed them to alternate between having beat one either be a down beat or syncopated beat for every bar, kind of like the way he is alternating each bar.
Bruh there’s like countless bands that use 7 and a load of other time signatures. King Gizzard is nowhere near as mathy as it gets, especially in the prog world.
@@HieronymousLex i don't think he's kg&tlw is special for using 7, i think they're special because they use 7 AND 2 drummers allowing for some crazy syncopation
@@alexchimi7093 having two drummers doesn’t equal more syncopation. Also syncopation isn’t related to time signatures at all, so having 2 drummers playing in 7 has nothing to do with syncopation, just saying. Believe me, I’ve been listening to Gizz for years. I love them lol. But I’m a drummer so I’m just saying.
@@HieronymousLex Of course it doesn't, but it's much easier to syncopate and incorporate more complex rhythms if one drummer is focused on one rhythm and the other in another lol
@@Johnny-Joseph I'm sorry but you are incorrect, he conducts a downbeat there, a beat one. As the other person here said: he splits the bar into a 4/4 followed by 3/4
Definitely on a good path, i found it really damn hard to learn the standard jazz groove, and it took forever to get to a point of comfortably playing with it. Props to you man, wish you all the best
As an amateur drummer who just loves the instrument, this blew my mind. I'm proud of myself that I could keep up for the most part, but the bits that tripped everyone up in the audience tripped me up as well. Reading the notation was insane though. I'm gonna watch this again now.
The way I got through the brainbenders of 1:58 and 2:10 on time was that I was playing a a keyboard lick in 7 to this to help counting. Muscle memory > brain.
Guitarist with a high appreciation for time signatures speaking : That was a super fun exercise! Dude had me second guessing a few times there towards the end. I believe I’ll be coming back just to continue testing myself. Thanks for the upload!
I know nothing about music but I know 2 things: 1: This is amazing 2: I have no idea what half these comments say but Im still enjoying them seem amazed
Grouping the triplets in fours finally did the trick.. jeezy petes that's tough. Stupid drummers. LOL as a lowly trumpet player tracking the beat through some of this hurts my limited brain.
I certainly think so. He’s phrasing the bass drum in 4+3 it feels like (and that’s how he conducts it) so I think the clap should be on 1 Plus it feels like the snare should be on the backbeats of 2&4
The weight of the groove is ON the clap, everything Nate plays relates to the clap as the starting point. There is a definite 4 - 3 structure, starting on the clap... So finally, the notation is rhythmically correct, but it completely neglects the right starting point, which makes it unnecessarily complicated and will confuse a lot of people.
Awesome! Clap is undoubtedly on beat 1 instead of 7 tho. He both conducts it that way and it feels way better with the back beat coming in on beat 2 right after
I feel like the bar should be shifted over a quarter note, with the clap being on beat 1. That way you would get all the snares on the off beats instead of beats 1 3 and 5 which just feels wrong imo.
Sorry to be that guy, but Im pretty sure your transcriptipn is off by one beat for two reasons: his backbeats should start on beat 2, not beat 1, and when he conducts the crowd early on he signals the claps on the down beat, not on beat 7.
Also, the groups of four kinda make sense in beat one. He could also be playing them in beat 7, but it seems more likely like the clapping occurs in beat 1.
I was on time for most of it but there was those odd ones where he switched it up and i counted 8 or 6 bars! Its easy if its repeated but to notice a tiny change that's the hard part!
Thank goodness I wasn't the only one that found this so difficult. It's all about the imagination of the musician on stage, and in this case, how to fuck us up! :D
What made you decide to place the claps on beat 7 instead of beat 1? From the beginning the pattern seems to start unequivocally on the 1, with the claps and kicks together, and he clearly conducts into the downbeat at 0:30
@@startingQB according to the backbeat on 2 4 6 the clap is on the one, but only Nate can tell, cause there are no rules, groove can start also with snare on one
@@startingQB Damn, you really have zero reading comprehension. Lmao. The guy clearly stated in his comment that he disagrees with how the sheet music was written.
Comments are half split between clap on 1 and clap on 7. I’ve opted for 7 as that just feels right - the clap is always followed by a strong downbeat. He conducts the audience to clap at 0:30 where they clap on what looks like a downbeat, but I would suggest he just conducts like this as there’s no way you can get an audience to clap on an upbeat.
This will be the controversy that finally kicks off the civil war and resulting end of days.
Definitely 7 for me personally.
The snare backbeats hit on the 2, on the beat following the clap (which is the 1). End of story. He plays with the rhythmic placement later in the piece, that's the point of what he's doing, but that shouldn't change how it is notated from the beginning. Also the conducting which is clearly a full bar of 7 leading into the 1.
I feel it on 1 beacause of the snare crosstick "backbeat", like I'm not so used to hear snares on 1 so yeah.
I totally agree on the 7. I practiced tuba from 6th grade to my senior year. I quit practicing after high school. Maybe someone knows better than me though.
I read in the description, that Balthazar Maignan did the transcription? So why do you write, that YOU opted for the clap on 7?
Dunno what’s more impressive.
The drummer, or that there is an audience on earth that some how managed to follow 7:4
Is not even a 7/4, there is a 123.5 time
Edit: Thank you all for making me notice my error, but you can also not be so rude in comments sometimes. Bye
I was at this show, I just watched Jaleel and clapped whenever he did because there was no chance I was following along
@@VincentKun Time signature and tempo are seperate things. Having a different tempo doesn't change the time signature, just the speed of the piece.
@@VincentKun 123.5 is how many beats per minute. 4 is the type of note (quarter notes) and 7 is the amount of times that note appears in a bar. So the time signature is 7/4 and the bpm 123.5 :)
7/4 is pretty simple to follow, it's the syncopations and polyrhythms that make it insanely hard here
That rhythmic displacement he does is just so mind boggling. It actually makes more sense on sheet music than I would’ve imagined it did though haha
@@comedelage1282 Thanks mate
@@comedelage1282 He's in the description!
I actually find it very boring, it's like 1/999999 of the stuff Chris Dave has been doing for 2 decades... After him, these players come evidently inspired by Chris, but with a very very shy approach. After Chris, most of the drummer's languages became obsolet, or a very shy, partial, incomplete borrowing from the inmense, huge rhythm language chris developed!
@@joaluar lol just listen to prog music mate
@@joaluar I did not enjoy reading your comment, I’ll just say
Everyone thinks they can count to seven, until you have to do it over and over and over again
ouch
@dogman i say "se'en" for the same reason
マジでそれな
OK. But what is the point?
Yup
I was in the audience for this gig at Space in Evanston. The energy was electric. Some of the comments have wondered how the audience was so good at clapping in 7 when so many audiences can't even clap in 4. My guess is that there were a ton of drummers in the audience that night. As a drummer, even in a dark club, I'm pretty good at picking out the difference between someone tapping their foot to the beat and someone thumping out a bass drum rhythm. There were lots of highly trained hands and feet at the gig that night. Thanks for recording and posting this. Good times.
It's not that many people can't clap at 4, there usually is an asshole like me in the crowd, who with purpose claps off-beat to get other people fuck up. For some reason people find it hard to clap on 4, when person next to them claps beat later and in the next moment they are also clapping beat later.
@@tarksurmani6335 It's the equivalent of trying to sing in church with someone going completely off-tune right behind you
Singer is a drummer.
I was there as well! And yes, I'm a drummer.
naw I just watch the guy on stage and clap with him
1:59 is just pure evil. Love it !
do you know what kind of polyrhythm he is playing at that moment? so fiendish
It's like playing a remix level in a Rhythm Heaven game but in real life.
@@eartherdelor old comment, but he alternates the pattern of the kick and snare starting from beat 7 on the previous measure to be on every 4th note instead of on the beat. makes it sound like it's 5/4 but it's still played in the same triplets (each triplet now being a sixteenth note) as before, which is why it sounds like the tempo slowed down so much. plus, with where he started the pattern, there's a single extra triplet after the complete pseudo-5/4 bar before beat 7, which clearly threw a lot of people off in the audience
@@eartherdelormetric modulation
@@cryms. I rewound it several times and couldn't get that one!
Nate smith is one of the greatest funk drummers of this generation.
Respect.
Hate to say it but I don't really get the appeal - his playing is so busy that it's just distracting to me. Great as a solo artist and clinician but I can't stand him in vulf / flyers.
I don't know what to say to Matt Logan there, this is the first I have seen of him... I think he George Collier and me need to play with a symphony as the audience, to beat this, cuz that audience actually has some musical talent. Not to even speak of the talent the respective artists have.
how "busy" can a person who barely leaves the hi hat/snare/kick possible be lol
@@zackmash851 You should watch a DCI snare line
@@mattlogan1 i appreciate a good snare line, but the feat there isnt the musicianship but rather the coordination. nowhere near as musical as nate smith
As someone who doesn’t play an instrument and cannot read sheet music. I have absolutely no clue what is going on here. But I can tell it’s very impressive
The time signature 7:4 is really weird, and hard to get used to if you’re not trained. Usually when reading sheet music, it’s common time (4/4), which is just, 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4. This is 7:4. I’ve never played in 7:4 so I don’t know how it goes, but I think it’s 7 quarter notes in a four note measure? I don’t know, but it’s super awkward sounding. Playing with this off-beat time signature is definitely impressive
@@justiceofbook you are correct all the way.
we all count differently but it’s important to feel the strong 1 aka downbeat
As someone whos played guitar for 20 something years as a hobby, I have absolutely no clue what is going on here, but I can tell its very impressive lol I couldnt keep a beat if my heart depended on it!
@@acousticpsychosis as someone who's been studying music theory for the past four years, it's still really hard to keep up
I've heard about some made up time signatures that are meant to be even crazier like 11/24, musicians are naturally insane
@@isaacpianos5208 I'm an audio engineer. I have only learned to count 1,2 1,2 testing microphones ;)
As impressed as I am with his set skills, I'm even more impressed at this impossible audience! I've never heard so many people keep the beat so well. They ALL must be experienced musicians
Really?
Am... Am i a experienced musician omg. 😳
some people just have a natural flow for rythm
it´s jazz people, they´re a special breed 😂
Those who attend gigs like this are more likely lifelong music fans of challenging music (Jazz, Funk, etc.) with of course musicians in there as well
ua-cam.com/video/ne6tB2KiZuk/v-deo.html Same concept
I--
I've played for audiences that couldn't stay consistent clapping along to a 4/4 beat; where in fresh hell do you find an entire audience that can keep up in 7/4??
It's cute how people in the replies think an audience can't fail if someone is helping them. Fun fact about audiences: they refuse to be helped. I've performed pieces where our members clapped, too, and the audience ignored it. Audiences can be wacky like that
I’m a drummer and this time sig baffles my little drummer boi brain 😂😂😂
"Chicago, man"
@@atteheikkinen I'm from Chicago!
At least they are only clapping every bar so that makes it easier but I’m surprised people weren’t more off
Just get a sax guy on the side who clap along, makes it's easier for the audience to just do what he does lol
This would actually be a fun concept to teach to children. We had music classes when I was in grade school but we always focused on 4/4 and 3/4. There are fun ways to teach counting complex or polyrhythms but you really don't get to that point until around highschool or college.
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The notation of OOOW at 2:45 is crucial
Thanks, I found it funny so I add it 😊
@@BalthazarMaignan who are you?
@@mysigt_ actually, I did this transcription, it's written in the video description 😉
@@BalthazarMaignan oh, sorry. I assumed it was George. The OOOW was a crucial addition :)
@@mysigt_ it's okay, I had to tell him to actually put my name but he did so I'm happy with that
Well the audience didn't miss a beat
Why is it no goddamn audience can keep tempo in 4/4 to save their lives, but when it's 7/8 suddenly we're all on the same page?
Is it because now they actually have to pay close attention?
@@Tsugimoto1 it probably was an audience full of musicians
Wow, I never thought I would see you here. I used to watch your Thomas toy reviews when I was a kid. Small world
The musicians on stage were giving the audience signals, inadvertent or not.
@@aidenanderson9310 dang I used to watch that guy’s series on the redback spider tank. What a coincidence
yall missed one genius on the back who unironically and unknowingly clapped on 4/4, and precisely on 4, the whole time.
I mean you aren't wrong...
he's german, germans can only clap on 4/4. true story, source: i'm german
To be honest this is one of the evil things I do. I on purpose, when people are clapping on beat, start clapping off beat to fuck up their clapping. Works 100% of time.
@@tarksurmani6335 even better if you clap like 6/8 or something
@@QuantumFluxable Hans! Get the Vier-Viertel-Takt!!
Years of playing rhythm doctor have prepared me for this moment
Fact of the day: the first night level (the one with the samurai) switches to 7/4 halfway through! That’s why it’s way more difficult after that one bridge
yep, dont speak manderin yet i still counted "yi er san su wu liu qi"
honored to be referenced in the title! love love love
This is why drummers are actual time lords! At 1:58 that groove threw me for a loop! What a prime display of talent, skill, and mastery of time :)
Alright but how the heck do you count this? I can kinda count most of this but this one trips me up completely
@@diWHY_Jake it’s the same exact way as the rest, it’s just played so slowly that it will throw you off (I’m not big on theory I just play that’s my take on it)
This is a concept that was popular last year when a bunch of drummers started covering Everybody Wants to Rule the World. Lots of metric modulation
@@TheTheOpTiCJewel It doesn't get slower, he just makes it look that way
How on earth did the audience keep up? I guess sometimes I forget that some people can feel rhythm and don’t need to count everything XD
They were black.
That's racist af 🙄
Also who says they weren't counting? You don't know either way
@@tremolo312 It isn't 'racist' any more than saying black people have darker skin. It's just a fact, that you can observe if you look close enough. They have better rhythm, on average, and the average is what shows when you have a room full of people. And that isn't derogatory, it's a compliment.
@@tremolo312 Just look at a room full of white people dancing and then compare that to a room full of POC dancing. Mate there is a difference!
@@andybaldman African tribes have been doing rhythmic rituals for spiritual practices for millennium. I don't know how Mr. Ron over here could possibly think that it's racist to say that they are more in tune with rhythm than other phenotypes. They definitely are lmao! Ragtime? Bebop? Jazz? Rhythm and blues? Rock? Funk? Hip hop? Like fuck yeah they got rhythm in their DNA it isn't hard to tell.
When the drummer says: "Let's play it in 7/4":
That perfectly synchronised clap at 0:31 was quite satisfying
I've written a lot of songs in 7, but this was a hard one to "feel". starts on 7, is syncopated. This dude is one solid thinking drummer. Impressive
This guy here does not get the credit and admiration he deserves. I know hes got a following and a name that people recognize, but this man is at the very top of his game like ive never seen before.
Many musicians don't get the recognition they deserve. I love The Consouls (who did a few VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures eg Enter Waka) but they only have just under 60 000 subs on their channel.
@@cooldebt You're the first ever person to ever bring up The Consouls outside of their own videos. They are great.
I can’t count to seven regularly, let alone to this… Impressive!
1 2 3… what comes next?
1 2 3 4 1 2 3, thats how i count it
@@ryanthepianoman27 1223454564567567
As someone who has played a 7/4 piece before, i find it’s easier to count it as 1-2, 1-2, 1-2-3.
you just made this so easy to follow tysm
thats literally how conducter conduct 7/8 or 7/4 123 12 12 or 12 12 123
You are a genius, sir. Thanks !
Exactly. Or 4 + 3. I don’t know any musician who counts complex rhythms in large numbers. You always break it down into smaller pieces.
Yeah that's how most musicians break down the structure of a piece. It helped me play more complex pieces when I used to be in band. Like Mars is a famous 5/4 piece but it is often counted and conducted as '1-2-3 1-2'
audience do be playing rhythm doctor
They got me clapping behind my computer screen looking like a bozo.
You misspelled "like an absolute legend"
Same
*us lol
Same. Wife looking at me like "why."
We're all bozos on this bus.
definitely an audience of musicians or prog fans that could instinctively count in 7/4 immediately
i don't think you need to be a prog musician to count to seven man
@@cupparuppa LOLLL
@@cupparuppa you'd be surprised
nah this is chicago man
nah dude i don’t play an instrument or anything but i could count to this with relative ease as most people could i think it’s just a normal crowd lol
definitely an audience of musicians. also, his playing is so tight I cannot comprehend
This had to have been for an audience of percussionists or something right? How I the bloody crikey hell did they keep time so well as a collective. Insane.
I'm high, and i tried to clap along, first couple tries were not cool, but at one point i got that hihat pulse and just kept up with the timing all way to the end, that was N I C E
1:57 - 2:02 melted my brain
I think it's kind of like a hemiola going from a 21/8 feel into a 7/4 feel but my brain melted too. The pulse of the 8th note triplets never change but the rest of the groove arranges itself into groups of 4.
@@TheGoldielox You're overcomplicating it, it's just grouping the 3s into 4s until he runs out of room in the measure. It's not even that rigid either, you can see that he extends the last one to a group of 5 because otherwise there would be a messy hit right next to the clap (not messy for him obviously, but when you factor in the audience).
If you want to analyze this as a specific theory technique it would be metric modulation, shifting to a slightly slower tempo where the 8th note is equal to the rate of the 8th note triplet in the previous measure. It's so short-lived though that there's really no reason to think of it that way either, simple grouping communicates the same idea much easier. It's basically the same concept as when people write those dotted quarter note grooves that get cut off in 4/4 (3+3+2 and 3+3+3+3+2+2, hopefully it's clear what I'm talking about since they're everywhere) that are all over pop, rock and every other genre. It just seems alien here because people don't normally regroup triplets and don't normally play with that level of syncopation at all in 7/4.
He's playing triplets with every 4th note accented instead of every 3rd. Thats what grouping of 4 means. That way it doesnt feel like triplets anymore, altought it actually is.
A good portion of this I could follow by thinking of it as groups of 6, separated by a single clap, completing it to 7, and he was adding pauses on the clap evoking that feel. Essentially just 6/4 or however you like to think of it. But then he really throws the audience by starting what feels like a 4 feel right on the clap, and those are the spots where the audience seems to falters slightly. Super cool 😎
Yes I was looking for this comment. Im used hearing Seven grouped as combinations of 3 and 4. But here its more like 6+1 or 3+3+1, this way of thinking of It makes It much easier to follow.
I love this! Same idea that the first few levels of the game “Rhythm Doctor” are based on, on just how hard it is to count to 7 if you dont have an internal beat
Well, sort of. I just finished Rhythm Doctor, and unlike this video the 7th beat we actually clap on is actually just the fourth beat of 4/4 time. We're counting in eighths which is why it's the seventh beat in the game. It's easier to count to seven in the game than in this video.
Semi-Spoilers for the game:
Except for that one level of the game, N1-X, which actually is in 7/4 time.
I like how the audience cheers louder the more they fail haha what an awesome dynamic
Normally I hate extended drum solos but I could listen to this all day! Amazing!
That's a riot, thanks for transcribing it George. His conducting for one bar didn't help at all where 1 was either, but I'll go with clap on 7. This on of those videos you send to all your music-head friends.
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@@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK, so what? I just saw it.
@@gertnood just wanted to share.. maybe this with the clap on 1 makes more sense or maybe not
@@danieleatzoridrumchannel7119 OK I see.. didn't know what you meant. I tend to think the challenge is to know where 7 is, and the downbeat is on the bass drum quarter note as George has it written. Either way it is pretty neat.
I'm a musician who prides himself on his rhythmic capabilities. I would have goofed after the second measure.
It's incredibly hard to keep track of after he starts his rhythmic illusions, it's amazing that the drummer could keep track himself
Second measure? Yikes......
It’s not hard if you count in your head, but if you don’t it can be tricky
then your rhythmic capabilities are bad
I know most people are taking this comment in jest, like was the intent, but I'd suggest the others to not take things so seriously. I get that it's sometimes hard to understand humor over text, but even if this was a 100% real comment, being negative doesn't really help anyone. Anyway happy counting. 🙂
Nate Smith man... also, you should check out a drummer named Petar who plays with Cory Wong, specifically a clip from his live in Minneapolis concert where he is teaching 25/8. Around the one hour 20 minute mark
@@tonalddrump255 give me my chipotle
Give me my chipotle is wonderful. Saw him in Bloomington the day after that recording. An awesome concert
@@ExtraFancy96 I want chips, I want guac
@@tonalddrump255 give me my chipote
Petar Janjic! I thought of the exact same thing while watching this. "Give me my Chipotle, give me my Chipotle. I want chips, I want guac. Give me my Chipotle, ONE!"
Showed this to my 9 year old daughter tonight. She just got cast for her first percussion role at school. I've been a drummer for 35 years...makes me really happy to see her analytical brain applied to music.
3:02 Hold on a minute...
guys, the transcription is all displaced by 1/4 note in the past. the audience is obviously clapping the 1, you can also understand this from the backbeats on 2, 4 and 6 when he starts to groove
Agree
You could say that and it’s a matter of preference, but most of it feels like the clap is on 7. Particularly 1:13 and 1:43. But the transcription is available for free if you want to change it :)
@@GeorgeCollier the claps def supposed to be felt as 1, why would nate play a backbeat on beat 1? the groove makes wayy more sense shifted a quarter over
@@GeorgeCollier he actually conducts a bar of it himself at around the 0:27 mark and the clap is on the downbeat. I think it makes a little more sense that way, but I'm still glad for the transcription
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An argument for clap on one: it makes the kick pattern symmetrical around the barline (ie it's two repetitions of a pattern in 7/8 beginning on the downbeat).
I feel very strongly about this!
It helps the audience keep pace
Clapping on one is easier. Maybe that's why he had them clap on 7.
It's totally clap on ONE
Read the notation. It’s claps on 7
I agree it sounds way more natural with clap on the one, at least to Western ears used to 4 on the floor. That's how I heard it before the sheet music
What a fantastic drummer! Sliding in and out of so many different rhythms while still maintaining the timing is amazing.
I only ever did a few years of band class in high school, but one thing I learned was: when the drummer didn’t show up, we sounded like booty-butt cheeks. Drummers are crucial.
In high school jazz we played the Mission Impossible theme. That arrangement switched every measure back and forth from 5/4 to 4/4. The only way I could play it was to ignore that and know how the song went.
I played classical and ragtime piano for many years and I struggled a lot here and I'm not even ashamed
This seems like the kind of stuff drummers figure out when they get bored.
Wow that first 7 groove he did was IMMACULATE and beautiful. I have made it my life-long goal to find and also create odd-time grooves/compositions that sound natural and not those that intentionally use the odd nature of them to get that 4 feel but break it midway. Not that I dislike songs like that, but it is so rare to find songs like From Eden - Hozier. I also want to release a few odd-time ideas on my own channel... Just need to record them well :)
The Consouls went through a period where they did their VGM jazz covers in odd time signatures - you might enjoy their versions of Enter Waka or Night Walker in 7 (for their 7th birthday), Space Walk or Crystal Snail (OST mostly in 13/8) and a few others
The fact that this is so insanely groovy and listenable and not just a big jazz maths wank is astounding.
I love the person at 0:20 who immediately counts 7
Check out king gizzard and the lizard wizard, they had two drummers and their use of 7/8 timing allowed them to alternate between having beat one either be a down beat or syncopated beat for every bar, kind of like the way he is alternating each bar.
which tune?
Bruh there’s like countless bands that use 7 and a load of other time signatures. King Gizzard is nowhere near as mathy as it gets, especially in the prog world.
@@HieronymousLex i don't think he's kg&tlw is special for using 7, i think they're special because they use 7 AND 2 drummers allowing for some crazy syncopation
@@alexchimi7093 having two drummers doesn’t equal more syncopation. Also syncopation isn’t related to time signatures at all, so having 2 drummers playing in 7 has nothing to do with syncopation, just saying.
Believe me, I’ve been listening to Gizz for years. I love them lol. But I’m a drummer so I’m just saying.
@@HieronymousLex Of course it doesn't, but it's much easier to syncopate and incorporate more complex rhythms if one drummer is focused on one rhythm and the other in another lol
I love how the only difference between just doing stuff and people counting to 7 and being a pro is that he knows when they clap and nods his head. :D
Years of drumming paid off, actually managed to keep the timing even with the off beats.
My favourite part of the video: "This is Chicago man" :)
BPM: 123.5
Every Prog musician: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!
Nate Smith never fails at being absolutely mind blowing
as a drummer i find the composition of the piece quite impressive entertaining and refreshing
I absolutely love the minimal use of the drum kit. Nate Smith.
Everyone debating between clap on 1 and clap on 7, but to me clapping on 6 feels much more natural.
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That whole audience deserves an award
i love when the audience’s clapping gets more hesitant
Besides what everyone else has said about the backbeat, at 0:31 you can clearly see Smith cue the clap on one.
ummmm no. He cues on 7 :)
@@Johnny-Joseph Based on his conducting pattern the clap is the downbeat. He beats 1 2 3 4 - 1 2 3 - (1) CLAP with his hands
@@sethkg9596 because he is cuing them to clap on 7....
@@Johnny-Joseph I'm sorry but you are incorrect, he conducts a downbeat there, a beat one. As the other person here said: he splits the bar into a 4/4 followed by 3/4
@@Johnny-Joseph you’re very much right, though the whole song, the audience is clapping on beat 7. He just conducts it in a way that cues beat 7
He started rushing after about a minute in, that’s the only reason people struggled on 1:56
This is mind boggling. An unbelievably creative and technical groove.
such a commanding and unifying moment! that’s a bond that is specific to those who were there for the rest of time. world needs more of this practice
That crowd is very lucky I was not in that audience.. I would have probably messed that up so miserably. It would be truly an embarrassing sight
I never thought my brain could hurt so much (in a good way) from listening to a drum beat. This was awesome lol.
as a flutist who cannot count:
i must say, this is very impressive
if someone counts for me I'm fine, counting and playing I can't do xD
Definitely on a good path, i found it really damn hard to learn the standard jazz groove, and it took forever to get to a point of comfortably playing with it. Props to you man, wish you all the best
As an amateur drummer who just loves the instrument, this blew my mind. I'm proud of myself that I could keep up for the most part, but the bits that tripped everyone up in the audience tripped me up as well. Reading the notation was insane though. I'm gonna watch this again now.
The way I got through the brainbenders of 1:58 and 2:10 on time was that I was playing a a keyboard lick in 7 to this to help counting. Muscle memory > brain.
Ah, as a percussionist, we all love these irregular time signatures
Guitarist with a high appreciation for time signatures speaking : That was a super fun exercise! Dude had me second guessing a few times there towards the end. I believe I’ll be coming back just to continue testing myself. Thanks for the upload!
Headbanging to Meshuggah for years has prepared me for this moment.
being able to follow along without counting and going purely off of 'intuition' feels so cool
7 years of musical experience and I thought I was doing so good until 2:00 , counting in my head is harder than expected
I know nothing about music but I know 2 things:
1: This is amazing
2: I have no idea what half these comments say but Im still enjoying them seem amazed
Grouping the triplets in fours finally did the trick.. jeezy petes that's tough. Stupid drummers. LOL as a lowly trumpet player tracking the beat through some of this hurts my limited brain.
I feel for you
Just found you guys and right on treated with a new song.
Stay true to yourSelf guys, you are awesome and pure.
Love from the Netherlands 🙏❤️
Gotta pause the video so I can stop laughing enough to keep listening
2:40 I love that you chart the OHHH 🤣
Isn't the clap on the 1? Considering his phrasing and also the fact he is playing a back beat.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to say yes, but that's how I hear it
Thats how i hear it
To me he claps on the seven
@@lpharmer3496 If you can percieve the groove you are knowledgeable enough.
I certainly think so. He’s phrasing the bass drum in 4+3 it feels like (and that’s how he conducts it) so I think the clap should be on 1
Plus it feels like the snare should be on the backbeats of 2&4
The weight of the groove is ON the clap, everything Nate plays relates to the clap as the starting point. There is a definite 4 - 3 structure, starting on the clap... So finally, the notation is rhythmically correct, but it completely neglects the right starting point, which makes it unnecessarily complicated and will confuse a lot of people.
This is like advanced mathematics in your head on a timer
Its like hes playing a game with the audience, thats so cool!
Awesome! Clap is undoubtedly on beat 1 instead of 7 tho. He both conducts it that way and it feels way better with the back beat coming in on beat 2 right after
What a fun idea. Having the audience play along in a rhythm game for a few mins during a set. What absolute fun. :)
Great idea to have the audience do during a drum solo!
I'd be in the crowd clapping wrong just to try to mess him up but he's just too good lol
Best crowd participation by a long shot
This is how an audition for dream theater would go if i had to guess.
"okay that was good, now do it while skipping every other note"
I feel like the bar should be shifted over a quarter note, with the clap being on beat 1. That way you would get all the snares on the off beats instead of beats 1 3 and 5 which just feels wrong imo.
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Sorry to be that guy, but Im pretty sure your transcriptipn is off by one beat for two reasons: his backbeats should start on beat 2, not beat 1, and when he conducts the crowd early on he signals the claps on the down beat, not on beat 7.
I wrote it that way at first but he changed it, must be a musical choice lol
Also, the groups of four kinda make sense in beat one. He could also be playing them in beat 7, but it seems more likely like the clapping occurs in beat 1.
@@lianharmon totally agree with you
I was on time for most of it but there was those odd ones where he switched it up and i counted 8 or 6 bars! Its easy if its repeated but to notice a tiny change that's the hard part!
Listening to this genuinely stresses me out as somebody who struggles to keep in time in 4/4
Thank goodness I wasn't the only one that found this so difficult. It's all about the imagination of the musician on stage, and in this case, how to fuck us up! :D
On my 7th play-through, I finally learned to to count to 7.
woops i feel the clap on the 1 😞
Same I can't break myself of from hearing "clap" 234567 "clap" ...
It's deliberately tricky
I wrote it that way at first but he changed it, must be a musical choice
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What made you decide to place the claps on beat 7 instead of beat 1? From the beginning the pattern seems to start unequivocally on the 1, with the claps and kicks together, and he clearly conducts into the downbeat at 0:30
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Actually the pattern starts on 7 according to the sheet music.
@@startingQB according to the backbeat on 2 4 6 the clap is on the one, but only Nate can tell, cause there are no rules, groove can start also with snare on one
I agree. It's clap on one
@@startingQB Damn, you really have zero reading comprehension. Lmao. The guy clearly stated in his comment that he disagrees with how the sheet music was written.
The way he weaves in and out of pocket is so amazing
1:58 the transition and execution here is pure genius