How To Figure Out If An Exercise Trains A Muscle Adequately with Bret Contreras

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  • Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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    0:00 Intro
    1:02 Bret explains how biomechanics is being mis-used on social media
    3:30 What tools can we use to figure out if an exercise trains a muscle adequately?
    8:50 “Common sense” clues of a good exercise
    17:44 “Numerical” clues of a good exercise
    32:59 “Longitudinal” clues of a good exercise
    42:38 How do we best assess different exercises?
    48:49 The fallacy of trying to explain complex phenomena using a single cause/variable
    51:26 Closing thoughts
    55:47 Outro
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  • @DrJacobGoodin
    @DrJacobGoodin 2 роки тому +239

    Commonsense clues: generate hypotheses
    1. 08:52 - Feel of the exercise in the target muscle
    2. 10:59 - The burn in the target muscle
    3. 11:10 - The pump (at higher rep ranges)
    4. 12:10 - DOMS in proceeding 72 hrs
    5. 12:30 - Tension (visual and palpation)
    6. 13:23 - Fiber orientation & joint actions (muscle line of pull)
    7. 15:50 - Physiques of lifters who prioritize that lift (WLers quads & 🍑)
    Numerical clues: measure outcomes
    0. 17:17 - Mike's stimulator
    1. 17:40 - Wire and surface EMG
    2. 22:26 - TMG, MMG, and SMG
    3. 22:39 - Functional MRI (measures fluid shift post training)
    4. 23:20 - Ultrasound (longitudinal or immediate post training)
    5. 23:41 - Muscle biopsy (sarcomere disruption)
    6. 23:52 - Metabolites & glycogen depletion (lactate, creatine kinase levels)
    7. 26:04 - Hormonal factors (Test, free test, IGF-1, cortisol, HGH, etc)
    8. 27:06 - ROM and strain
    9. 27:15 - Moment arms and pennation angle (SOHCAHTOA)
    10. 27:40 - Force plate research (peak force, RFD, better for sport perf than hypertrophy)
    11. 28:57 - muscle force angle curves (passive + active force)
    12. 30:14 - musculoskeletal modeling
    13. 31:09 - Acute protein synthesis
    14. 31:14 - Intracellular signalling (MTOR vs AMPK)
    15. 32:03 - PAPE (formerly PAP, mostly for sport perf)
    40:50 Longitudinal Clues: test hypotheses (hypertrophy)
    1. Girth (not that kind)
    2. ultrasound
    3. DEXA
    4. BIA
    5. Bodpod
    6. Underwater weighting
    7. Skinfolds
    8. Combination modalities (CT scans + MRIs, etc)
    40:41 Longitudinal Clues: test hypotheses (strength)
    1. isometric, concentric, eccentric strength
    2. dynamometer (single joint strength)
    3. force plate (multiple joint strength
    4. 1RM or RM prediction equation
    42:04 Longitudinal Clues: test hypotheses (performance)
    1. ADLs (elderly or rehab, e.g. sit-to-stand)
    2. acceleration
    3. Max velocity
    4. Jumping performance & characteristics
    5. Agility & change-of-direction tests
    TL:DR Consider multiple pieces of the puzzle before bashing an exercise. No dogma. Thanks RP and Dr. Contreras

  • @Madchris8828
    @Madchris8828 2 роки тому +426

    I love how Dr. Mike in the middle in a smaller chair. The chair height size difference reminds me of a certain meme 😂. I don't know if it was intentional, but it is funny

    • @LeoVillarroelCossio
      @LeoVillarroelCossio 2 роки тому +46

      I fkn love how Dr. Mike makes random comments every 2 and half minutes

    • @clarkkant5322
      @clarkkant5322 2 роки тому +47

      I like how they decided it was a good idea to seat the tall people on tall chairs and the short person on a short chair. "Each to their kind" the chair fascists proclaimed.

    • @sherryemiller
      @sherryemiller 2 роки тому +31

      I’m assuming it was 100% intentional 🤣

    • @gaminikokawalage7124
      @gaminikokawalage7124 2 роки тому +3

      @@clarkkant5322 lmaoo

    • @jaytherestless2117
      @jaytherestless2117 2 роки тому +2

      prob was, its a smart way to highlight urself in the oposite way to what people expect 😂

  • @pancakerizer
    @pancakerizer 2 роки тому +105

    Damn, Dr Mike, PhD really tries his best to derail the conversation but Bret was relentless

    • @RenaissancePeriodization
      @RenaissancePeriodization  2 роки тому +24

      "Derails his own channel's convo." Man, I suck!!! - Dr. Mike

    • @pancakerizer
      @pancakerizer 2 роки тому +7

      @@RenaissancePeriodization Wow, it's Dr Mike, PhD

    • @blueballs6357
      @blueballs6357 2 роки тому +1

      @@RenaissancePeriodization sigma move

  • @The3Lego3Freak
    @The3Lego3Freak 2 роки тому +66

    Brain hypertrophy for 1 hour on my rest day

    • @caseychambers5079
      @caseychambers5079 2 роки тому +2

      whats the sfr on this video I dont want it to impact my recovery

    • @The3Lego3Freak
      @The3Lego3Freak 2 роки тому +4

      @@caseychambers5079 very good stimulus to fatigue ratio, just make sure to have an intra workout snack

    • @EliasMichalczuk
      @EliasMichalczuk 2 роки тому

      ​@@caseychambers5079 the sfr in this is literally incalculable

  • @gaminikokawalage7124
    @gaminikokawalage7124 2 роки тому +24

    Dr. Mike in the short chair asserting his short king dominance

  • @King_Konglish
    @King_Konglish 2 роки тому +177

    I remember thinking the Smith machine was a waste of time for YEARS because of free weight purists online.
    After watching RP I realized I was being an idiot. I’ll continue to be an idiot, but less of one thanks to you all!

    • @i-4271
      @i-4271 2 роки тому +1

      How has the smith machine help you?

    • @janscholochua9800
      @janscholochua9800 2 роки тому +4

      Smith machine is obviously useful. You just need to use some cells I figured that out when I was about 17 y/o.

    • @Madchris8828
      @Madchris8828 2 роки тому +4

      If Chris Bumstead looks the way he does and sometimes does Smith machines I think most of the population can do fine on them🤣

    • @Tomy-im8zl
      @Tomy-im8zl 2 роки тому +2

      @@i-4271 I guess it's because it's easier to isolate the quads, more stability for motor unit recrutment, you can go deeper to stretch your quads even more

    • @King_Konglish
      @King_Konglish 2 роки тому +2

      @@i-4271 watch them do squats on the smith machine and you will understand haha
      Personally I like it for finishing off a muscle group like shoulder press, rows etc

  • @reieli87
    @reieli87 2 роки тому +46

    3:46 "I'm not a bro, I'm a scientist" Mike 🤣 That's gold, great information as always and good fun

  • @izzatramzi4334
    @izzatramzi4334 2 роки тому +44

    I love how dr mike spit some jokes in between every point bret talks about😂

  • @mikemeskel
    @mikemeskel 2 роки тому +23

    57 minutes of listening to Jared clear his throat.

    • @JAREDFEATHERRP
      @JAREDFEATHERRP 2 роки тому +11

      Dude. I know. I told our video guy to mute my mic when I'm not talking. I didn't wanna film. I had laryngitis. Blame Mike for that

    • @mikemeskel
      @mikemeskel 2 роки тому +1

      @@JAREDFEATHERRP Yeah, it sounded like you were still in the process of getting over a nasty cold. If it were me editing the video, I would have muted the channel your mic was on except for when you were speaking. Mike’s mic might have picked up a little of it, but it wouldn’t be that bad.
      There was some good info though. And I enjoyed the seating configuration that made Mike look like a hobbit.

    • @zeuglcockatrice4633
      @zeuglcockatrice4633 2 роки тому +2

      thx, now I can't unhear it

  • @sergiogaggioni2429
    @sergiogaggioni2429 2 роки тому +12

    Out field needed someone like Dr Mike always keeping it light and fun. For so many years our field was just people who took themselves too seriously and made everything hella boring.

    • @bigbobut0
      @bigbobut0 2 роки тому +3

      I'm impressed how informative Bret could make this podcast with 2 nine year old boys. Keep up the good work

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 2 роки тому +6

    The setup is pretty epic. Put the biggest guys on an elevated platform around the smallest guy in the middle, and set them slightly closer to the camera. This is some game of thrones tier storyline.

  • @richardschatz9992
    @richardschatz9992 2 роки тому +15

    This is awesome. I've been a Bret Contreras fan for years. Great to see him in an rp video.

    • @XatariTheGreat
      @XatariTheGreat 2 роки тому

      Too bad he likes to assault and pepper spray homeless people 🥶🥶

  • @Odegeras
    @Odegeras 2 роки тому +2

    Frick i never thought these were so damn funny, ill need to watch all of them, also love the energy and the hilarious setup, you are the best :D

  • @NAB5803
    @NAB5803 2 роки тому +1

    Great discussion! Very critical too. Exercise selection is an ordinary thing, bu with a Lot of complexities. Good to see the balance between acadêmic and pratical knowledge.

  • @MrLamborghini1994
    @MrLamborghini1994 2 роки тому +7

    Holy shit guys that was some proper nerd stuf, love it! I always found it kinda weird how dismissive some people got with exercises that others have done with great succes for years, this was really educational!

  • @prateekpmewada
    @prateekpmewada 2 роки тому +2

    Dr. Mike steals the show every single time!

  • @WtbgoldBlogspot
    @WtbgoldBlogspot 2 роки тому +11

    There's a summary download link in the description.
    I've been looking for a lat isolation exercise recently, and tried lat prayers since Dr Mike recommended them in a vid. The cable machine in my apt gym snapped a while back and they just jerry-rigged it back together; the cable is shorter now than it's supposed to be. Fine for pulldowns, but I can't do the full-ROM on lat prayers. Also, I'm still pretty new to working out, so my lats aren't there/filled-out yet. So, for me I couldn't really feel the exercise in the lats, didn't get a pump, wasn't sore the next day, and wasn't even really sure I was doing them right. Point is, I have a video coming out soon on why the lat prayer is one of the top 3 worst exercises of all time and Dr. Mike is evil for recommending them. :P

    • @iancavender2034
      @iancavender2034 2 роки тому

      🤣

    • @rockyevans1584
      @rockyevans1584 2 роки тому

      And that video will be totally relevant to the current science and application recommendations. Feel like you can find some attachments to allow full rom on your prayers tbh

  • @manletsoup
    @manletsoup 2 роки тому

    Excellent topic. Thank you guys

  • @savchik1580
    @savchik1580 2 роки тому +2

    Mike ripping ass at 18:36 killed me lmaoo, excellent discussion!

  • @bzeezus
    @bzeezus 2 роки тому +1

    Super informative and hilarious at the same time. Love Dr. Mike's commentary. Ha!

  • @ivancolandrea9583
    @ivancolandrea9583 2 роки тому

    Awesome video. Love this style of video. Keep it up

  • @markathey1510
    @markathey1510 2 роки тому +2

    Dr. Mike is so relatable to me. Absolutely cannot pass up the opportunity to make a not so obvious joke, but the joke is always funny despite it being a little off beat. What a cool guy and clever guy. I would totally be your Freind Dr. Mike. Then you and I would no longer be Freind-less.

  • @willgriff.mp4
    @willgriff.mp4 2 роки тому +1

    more of this!! love the nerdy techy talks

  • @stophi2581
    @stophi2581 2 роки тому +1

    Mike put in on point: some people just love the easy answer. First they don´t need to take responsibility, for themselves - because if it doesn´t work it´s not their fault, it´s the fault of the person who told them and second: they don´t need to think by themselves. the problem is that there is no perfect exercise for any muscle for everyone. only for you - and you need to figure out what works best for you. and even then you can´t stop - because bodys change, you get older, bigger, smaller, etc - so you always need to listen to your body and figure out over and over again ...

  • @cryptoallmight
    @cryptoallmight 2 роки тому +3

    Oh thanks so much for talking openly about it. You basically addressed everything I find wrong with these self-proclaimed experts. It's the basis of conspiracy theories. Sounds plausible and most people lack the ability and understanding to disprove it or counter their arguments.

  • @lexsmith7091
    @lexsmith7091 2 роки тому +2

    Do you have a podcast? I could listen to you guys speak all day long.

  • @mf_hume
    @mf_hume Рік тому

    Having this in depth content for free? What a time to be alive

  • @anastasiaboulais4349
    @anastasiaboulais4349 2 роки тому +27

    Great discussion, team, and very timely. I enjoyed hearing Bret present the framework and discuss its complexities. The contribution of this guy to general knowledge in the fitness industry is immense. I'd say Bret almost single-handedly brought strength (and of course, glute training) into the mainstream consciousness for women. But internet is a funny place and people would rather comment on his clothing choice, way of talking, seating arrangements, Jared having a sniffle, etc. etc. Carry on, gentlemen. Wish my professors in med school were as informative, humble and entertaining.

    • @RenaissancePeriodization
      @RenaissancePeriodization  2 роки тому +11

      Thank you so much. Bret really is one of the OGs of evidence-based fitness. - Dr. Mike

    • @XatariTheGreat
      @XatariTheGreat 2 роки тому +3

      The internet is funny isn’t it, to bad people been commenting on the way he treats women and homeless people not his clothing choices

    • @wildthang9355
      @wildthang9355 2 місяці тому

      @@XatariTheGreatI know right, sooo funny?!

    • @Arturo_Fonseca
      @Arturo_Fonseca 17 днів тому

      @@RenaissancePeriodization at 12 : 30 of the Bret Contreras video "The Great Functional Training Debate" and I quote "don't get me wrong, I do a lot of the traditional stuff myself!”
      The Great Functional Training Debate | With Naudi Aguilar and Bret Contreras
      ua-cam.com/users/liveR7Dts-ttfUo?si=10rUvGOLjJxJSWuD&t=750
      "don't get me wrong, I do a lot of the traditional stuff myself!"

  • @juansamudio1171
    @juansamudio1171 2 роки тому +24

    The collab that wasn’t expected but needed

  • @dondeezy
    @dondeezy 2 роки тому +3

    “You’re smart. Jared and I, we’re people… barely” 😂😂

  • @lucabalestra1638
    @lucabalestra1638 2 роки тому +3

    Awesome to see Bret on here!

  • @tanros266
    @tanros266 Рік тому +1

    Of course Dr. Bret is the authority, and having 2 doctors is always gonna be kinda dry but this is pure gold

  • @BatEatsMoth
    @BatEatsMoth 2 роки тому

    Wow, Machine, you and your slasher sidekicks really slayed this topic. I can't wait to see the new Dino Velvet original.

  • @cianwalsh409
    @cianwalsh409 2 роки тому +3

    Hey someone asked for this on dr mikes' tiktok and now they've got an hour long video, a little ironic since few who watch all the tiktoks(the one-third video is about) are going to watch this whole video.

  • @jamesk5369
    @jamesk5369 2 роки тому

    Great discussion!

  • @Strongirlmar
    @Strongirlmar 2 роки тому

    Ive been waiting for this

  • @barsenovic
    @barsenovic 2 роки тому

    This was AWESOME!

  • @AlwayzPr0
    @AlwayzPr0 2 роки тому +3

    Dr mike is just there to make off handed comments like a 5th grader, i love it

  • @O0o__.
    @O0o__. Рік тому

    thx very insightful. For Contreras this was like a group therapy :)

  • @ralphanastasio9670
    @ralphanastasio9670 2 роки тому +9

    It’s about time u got Brett on ur show. Great job! ur guys make a perfect team.

  • @chad_slatch
    @chad_slatch 2 роки тому +9

    Hey Dr. Mike, I was thinking of this exact topic today before this video was posted. It would be cool to have a video that outlines the most hypertrophic exercise per muscle group. But, after watching this, if the data just isn't out there, it would still be interesting to hear a list of you, Charly, and Jared's favorite exercises per muscle group.

    • @rockyevans1584
      @rockyevans1584 2 роки тому +3

      That just seems to fly in the face of the individualistic and ever changing optimal exercise selection/ rep range/ volume per person and their given situation. Best exercises don't exist as far as broad recommendations, don't you want to know the best combination of exercises at the right dose for you currently?

    • @Jorge.A.12
      @Jorge.A.12 2 роки тому +2

      Simple, theres no secret to it, no need to overcomplicate things. Any isolation exercise works the target muscle 100% while compound exercise spread the work around, to what percentage depends on the exercise and even then it might not be posible to calculate since its highly variable depending on stuff like individual anatomy. There are pros and cons of isolation and compounds, if you try to isolate every single muscle you are gonna spend half of your day in the gym and it might not be necessary for optimal gains, might even be too much stress for your joints.
      IMO Just do whats safer, no exercise is necessary.
      Best is combination of both. Take for example back squat as your compound exercise and isolate the muscles that dont get much of the % of the load during the squat like the hamstrings.
      Dont like squats? Just do leg presses or other squat movement machines.
      Haven't watched the video but thats probably their conclusion.

    • @RenaissancePeriodization
      @RenaissancePeriodization  2 роки тому +3

      Check this out!!! rpstrength.com/hypertrophy-training-guide-central-hub/ - Dr. Mike

  • @sn0lder
    @sn0lder 2 роки тому +2

    loved this vid, never thought i would see bret on here!

  • @tabbyteacup9847
    @tabbyteacup9847 2 роки тому

    Education with a side of Dr Mike being a perv. Loved it

  • @souldoula7436
    @souldoula7436 Рік тому

    This talk was amazing and we need more!! Jared clearing his throat constantly was a little bit distracting 😬 cough syrup or cough drop next time. Or music overlaid maybe. Thanks for all you brilliant guys do!! Much love ❤️

  • @justintaylor4076
    @justintaylor4076 2 роки тому

    I try and identify the difference between the con and eccentric part of the movement so I can tell witch way the muscle fibers run to contract harder to get out more reps.You can tell witch way the muscle fibers run by looking at the anatomy of the muscles however I've noticed people talk about natural pathways.In all honesty I try a combination of the previous tactic along with visualization on what I indeed to do alongside Premeditation and practice of remember and imaging with a honest do so and to do well as well as respect for what I'm doing in combination with strick form to help build a great mind Muscle connection.Meanwhile currently try to associate pain kill endorphins to enhance my results.I also associated more primal ideologies with the movements and ive been open to accepting ideas that mite help me understand that the actions I partake in are now justified to a be more current day form of hunting and adrdilin and or fatigue even for the life of me type of event.

  • @nicholasingratta423
    @nicholasingratta423 2 роки тому

    This is. Very advanced information

  • @Fohrenbach
    @Fohrenbach 2 роки тому

    Excellent video

  • @nickdutton6218
    @nickdutton6218 2 роки тому +2

    This is literally my issue with my back and lats recently. I can't feel my lats! I went to the gym and tried every back exercise I could find. Still no indicators. Do I have even have a spine?

  • @SomeWhiteGuy_
    @SomeWhiteGuy_ 2 роки тому

    We are all friends in the journey to self mastery!!!!

  • @softacroaaron
    @softacroaaron 2 роки тому +1

    Fuck yes.
    I may have some actual to say after I‘ve listened. For now I’m just pumped about the video title.

  • @WtbgoldBlogspot
    @WtbgoldBlogspot 2 роки тому +5

    Hey, pedantic question for Dr. Mike. You've talked about not working out with overlapping soreness. For me it's a gradient, where there's full 100% sore "Can't-walk-or-wash-my-face-Did-way-too-much DOMS" down to the 5% sore "when I flex my arm or pick up something heavy I can tell that I worked out in the past couple days but it doesn't hurt." Decent DOMS, say 50% on this soreness gradient, fades after a day, but it can take two weeks for a muscle to get down to 0%. For the overlapping soreness cue, are you mainly just saying that 20% soreness is fine, but we shouldn't work out with DOMS, or are you taking a hardline that we should be at 0%?

    • @cheddarpuff
      @cheddarpuff 2 роки тому

      Great question! I wanna know, too.

    • @nickliftstutorials6408
      @nickliftstutorials6408 2 роки тому +3

      You’re probably doing too much volume for your body if it takes more than 3 days for doms to subside. If you wanna workout that hard save it for the week before a deload or an overuse injury is surely in your future; learned the hard way with high volume/frequency squatting.

    • @matthewclomo5265
      @matthewclomo5265 2 роки тому +2

      I’d say you wanna feel fresh before each workout but that doesn’t mean 0% soreness. Your fatigue builds up until you deload. I tolerating about 20% soreness every now and than. It’s about making changes on the fly. If I’m still sore for the next workout I don’t increase anything and Keep it the same. If I’m really feeling sore, I will lower the volume by either weight or reps. If it’s taking you too weeks to heal, you are really overshooting volume potentially. You could also not be following a proper resting protocol. Look at your sleep, diet and other physical exercises and see if something needs adjustment there. It really sounds like you need to work out your MRV and if you don’t know what that is, Dr Mike had a lecture on it in his advance hypotrophy series.

    • @jishman101
      @jishman101 2 роки тому +3

      It's only a problem if the soreness impedes your ability to perform the exercise.

    • @WtbgoldBlogspot
      @WtbgoldBlogspot 2 роки тому

      @@bjornprinz3900 For sure, but if you do 3 good myo/dropsets of curls, you can still feel it a little in your biceps 5 days later. The doms is gone, but there's a little smidgen or soreness that hangs around for a week or so.

  • @healwithsteel
    @healwithsteel 2 роки тому +15

    Dr. Jorts himself! Excellent discussion men. Love to talk about the biomechanics of the vertical leg press some day

  • @Jaycolley8
    @Jaycolley8 2 роки тому

    just in time for my session

  • @fdddff47
    @fdddff47 2 роки тому +4

    I would love to see a more scientific debunking style of video about Doug brignole etc. A lot of what he is saying makes sense to me and I tried it with good results (12 years of training experience). Greetings

    • @RenaissancePeriodization
      @RenaissancePeriodization  2 роки тому +1

      He has a lot of great stuff to say, but maybe some stuff that's not super obvious. Sorry if you've already seen this vid but here is another take: ua-cam.com/video/cBGTHmHQtxk/v-deo.html - Dr. Mike

  • @davereid-daly2205
    @davereid-daly2205 2 роки тому +1

    So am I correct in suggesting that a human performance facility needs to be created that tests biomechanical theory as a fulltime pursuit rather than using the university PhD model?

  • @jwgosla08
    @jwgosla08 2 роки тому

    This is the best placement of people in a video 🤣☠️👏🏻

  • @GokuPlaysUK
    @GokuPlaysUK 2 роки тому

    when i train sometimes ill throw flies in or a chest press machine im not sure if its cause its a new stimulus but compare to my main lifts dips bench etc i feel every contraction and super sore the next day compare to the compound lifts

  • @ghfjfghjasdfasdf
    @ghfjfghjasdfasdf 2 роки тому +3

    “I’m not a bro, I’m a scientist.”
    Dr. Mike 2022

  • @Whoareyou127
    @Whoareyou127 2 роки тому

    You guys are awesome! Have you guys considered doing this on a sofa? That's my only negative take on this as you guys look somewhat uncomfortable sitting there for almost an hour.

  • @Cronus111
    @Cronus111 2 роки тому

    RP video team pulling some Peter Jackson trickery.

  • @joebob9725
    @joebob9725 2 роки тому

    good content, excellent comment relief Dr M as always lol

  • @ReversingTheSpell
    @ReversingTheSpell 2 роки тому +7

    Kassem, Carter and Brignole should do a roundtable response to this, that'd be the funniest shit ever lmao!

    • @blaizenflame
      @blaizenflame 2 роки тому +2

      Two of those are too incoherent to make that possible lol

    • @ReversingTheSpell
      @ReversingTheSpell 2 роки тому +1

      @@blaizenflame Brignole is a total potato, the other two are on point though!

    • @Dtaysh
      @Dtaysh 2 роки тому +3

      @@ReversingTheSpell carter’s a potato, too. Lives by anatomy studies and metadata but when it comes to epidemiology and virology data it’s nOt ScIeNcE. He preaches having dropped out of high school yet knows more than these PhD’s?! Meh. Not feeling it.

    • @ReversingTheSpell
      @ReversingTheSpell 2 роки тому

      @@Dtaysh What the fuck does virology have to do with biomechanics?

    • @kimjongun2536
      @kimjongun2536 2 роки тому

      Kassems a nice guy who loves to argue ,but doesn't understand biomechanics .Paul is just a narcistic dickhead who cant take criticism. Both dont understand research and think their 'in house anatomical studies' prove their claims .

  • @bp56789
    @bp56789 2 роки тому +1

    My eyes went unfocused for a second, and it looked like Mike was standing up and being the widest dwarf I’ve ever seen.

  • @ridhwankazi9503
    @ridhwankazi9503 2 роки тому +2

    on of the best things was comparing old school body builders to the kinda weird era right after were body builders had a giant gut and didn't really look that great lmao

    • @culdeus9559
      @culdeus9559 2 роки тому

      That was before they figured out how to get the tren cycle right.

  • @ryandalessandro4139
    @ryandalessandro4139 2 роки тому +2

    Interesting seeing Bret after our leader bashed EMG… Great video

    • @cdrtej
      @cdrtej 2 роки тому +1

      Bret humble now about limits of emg

  • @Sk0lzky
    @Sk0lzky 2 роки тому +1

    My right flexor digitorum longus often cramps af when I do hollow body pull ups, time to measure the activation lmao

  • @scotadam
    @scotadam 2 роки тому +6

    Poor Brett. He is there trying to have an informal lecture and then there are the other two who remind me of my sixth grade class.
    JK. Love the conversation. Thanks for the information.

  • @OG_VeniVidiVici
    @OG_VeniVidiVici 2 роки тому

    I almost didn't watch this because Dr. Mike made this very clear to me already, if you feel it in the muscle that is supposed to be targeted, it's probably hitting the muscle. lol

  • @cheddarurchin3844
    @cheddarurchin3844 2 роки тому +1

    I love a short king 👑 especially for cuddles 🥰

  • @lucasjay1000
    @lucasjay1000 2 роки тому +1

    Kassem and Paul Carter are blowing up Instagram fitness lol, as an advanced lifter I do really like some of their recommendations on exercise selection

    • @douglasschrift4453
      @douglasschrift4453 2 роки тому +9

      Yep. That’s becoming the ‘in’ thing lately it seems. And you’re right, as an advanced lifter, SOME of what they say as far as exercise selection can be beneficial. No doubt
      But I find those guys often miss the Forrest for the trees. They get soooo caught up in the nuance of things that it seems they forget to talk about what makes the bulk of all our progress. Not saying they don’t have good info and that they aren’t correct with a lot of things. But it just seems like there’s a trend lately to reinvent the wheel and modify every lift to make it the most perfect quad, lat, etc exercise

    • @lucasjay1000
      @lucasjay1000 2 роки тому

      @@douglasschrift4453 for sure, I’ve seen so many Instagram fitness pages copy and pasting whatever Kassem says lately. I will say like 75% of what he says makes sense.

    • @kimjongun2536
      @kimjongun2536 2 роки тому

      to be fair Paul and Kassem hates these wannabe biomechanics experts on social media who regurgitate their content with poor understanding and zero nuanece

    • @lucasjay1000
      @lucasjay1000 2 роки тому

      @@kimjongun2536 I definitely understand why. People are legit just copying everything they say because they have no content of their own

  • @NormanKonstantin
    @NormanKonstantin 2 роки тому +15

    This is the era where "fitness professional" only focusing on muscle anatomy and function preacher everything else mean nothing. That will pass eventually too. There is definitely more to the full hypertrophy picture than that one thing. Great discussion!

    • @Juneth-ou7re
      @Juneth-ou7re 2 роки тому +1

      This is pretty short sighted. Using anatomy and physics as information to give us a better idea on exercise selection to achieve a specific goal with a particular ROI shouldn’t be a “phase”. Should we go back to just using feel for everything and waiting on poorly designed studies to give us the go ahead to do things? Studies where participants apparently do 30 sets to failure and use EMG as a main metric? No that’s ridiculous. The studies have value but it would be ridiculous to rely on them, just like it would be ridiculous to rely solely on feel (bros), and JUST like it would be ridiculous to focus just on anatomy (Doug brignole lol) It’s not one or the other. It’s EXTREMELY useful knowledge to have and use so we aren’t just throwing darts at the dartboard of exercise selection. Anatomy, physiology, and biomechanics give us better mechanistic explanations to explore THROUGH research and anecdote.

    • @NormanKonstantin
      @NormanKonstantin 2 роки тому

      @@Juneth-ou7re feel free to reread my comment and interpret it...

    • @Juneth-ou7re
      @Juneth-ou7re 2 роки тому

      @@NormanKonstantin lol fair

  • @Dad_K
    @Dad_K 2 роки тому

    When are we getting the ol Bilbo Swaggins aka Johnny Haack aka Captain America juice?! You're such a tease, Mike.

  • @craigslistreply6544
    @craigslistreply6544 2 роки тому +5

    that's actually dr mike's actual size

  • @takek7739
    @takek7739 2 роки тому

    Dr Mike can you talk about German volume trainnig and German volume training body recompe ( Charles poliquin)

  • @fadsfit2799
    @fadsfit2799 2 роки тому

    pleas talk about special sports supps when u go to london ♥

  • @FrankCPS
    @FrankCPS 2 роки тому +1

    Do more concentration curls, got it 💪🏻

    • @karl5563
      @karl5563 3 місяці тому

      That's what I heard too

  • @KasumovMedia
    @KasumovMedia 2 місяці тому

    The perspective on this is hliarious😂

  • @nottheone582
    @nottheone582 2 роки тому

    lol the quips are the best part of this - dr bret's trying to be serious... does he know which yt channel he's on?

  • @Ihavegivenup825
    @Ihavegivenup825 2 роки тому +6

    first for manlet supremacy

  • @leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002
    @leinekenugelvondoofenfocke1002 2 роки тому +2

    Also, replication studies often don't get published. Thus they don't get done in the first place. The scientific method demands replication, but the journal that should publish it demands new shit instead.

  • @mocotonio
    @mocotonio 2 роки тому

    somebody get me the link for the hamstring injury prevention article that he mentions at 48 minutes.

  • @wildthang9355
    @wildthang9355 2 місяці тому

    This is an interesting find. Especially considering what we now know about Bret. Also, the many shady thumbnails cancelling Hip Thrusts since this video…

  • @qllonskomplow
    @qllonskomplow 2 роки тому +2

    I'm not even 6minutes into this and I'm cracking guys... x'D
    video idea: Bro gym expresions made intellectual (like the "extreme cell swelling" you said XD)
    btw, GAINZ economy its fundamental 🤣
    Even before seeing the video, thanks for the free and humorously wisdom you share 🙌

  • @88BigPhill88
    @88BigPhill88 2 роки тому +2

    I don't know why, but the chair setup reminds me of the Piper Perri meme

  • @liamcarter6928
    @liamcarter6928 2 роки тому +3

    Petitioning to funnel 50% of DoD budget to form the gains industrial complex

  • @buhazeem.alsuwaidi
    @buhazeem.alsuwaidi Рік тому

    When I first opened the video I seriously thought Dr. mike was sitting far back in the room.

  • @Dratio
    @Dratio 2 роки тому

    how tall are the guys on the side? Perspective is messing with me

  • @Pajitsu3
    @Pajitsu3 2 роки тому

    I believe the term they were looking for at minute 37:45 was when researchers “Fudge Results”

  • @minge9
    @minge9 2 роки тому +5

    50:32 Jared is right. When I was first diagnosed with a partial torn acl, first thing they said was I have weak glutes like lol bro, I can probably hip thrusts 3 times your bodyweight

  • @brguide
    @brguide 2 роки тому +2

    Jarod what is up with your clearing of throat? My mom does this a lot and she has an issue that was a small tumor. I assume you have had this looked at by a dr,

    • @Renejime9288
      @Renejime9288 2 роки тому +1

      I’ve noticed as of late Jared sounds like shit, I hope he’s doing alright

    • @StarCrusher.
      @StarCrusher. 2 роки тому

      Last video with him he did it too. Might be chronic.

    • @robertauclair2278
      @robertauclair2278 2 роки тому +1

      He said in the video at the end that he's sick and lost his voice.

  • @O0o__.
    @O0o__. Рік тому

    since I'm here, what is the latest research in calisthenics?

  • @davidwear9981
    @davidwear9981 2 роки тому +1

    Its like Lord of the Rings with the perspective making Mike look like a hobbit; hilarious!

  • @meditation4632
    @meditation4632 2 роки тому +1

    Jared Feather’s calves need a time stamp all their own!!!!!

  • @juansamudio1171
    @juansamudio1171 2 роки тому +1

    So does the hip abduction work the piriformis or it doesn’t matter because the glute medius is still working?

    • @bkadou
      @bkadou 2 роки тому +4

      Of course it does, but it will work the entire hip complex that is involved with hip abduction and external rotation. In the same way a shoulder lateral raise will activate the entire rotator cuff.

    • @juansamudio1171
      @juansamudio1171 2 роки тому

      @@bkadou but it’s not bad right? I mean it’s not really the best exercise but it’s not as dangerous as people make is sound right?

    • @bkadou
      @bkadou 2 роки тому +1

      @@juansamudio1171 Not at all.
      First of all, I wouldn't call any exercise 'bad' or 'dangerous', it all depends on the individual and their capacity.
      A hip abduction is a fantastic low-load exercise for targeting the glute med.
      My assumption is that you have seen other people demonize the piriformis muscle in one way or another with being associated with pain. Whether this is sciatic nerve irritation, hip pain, lower back pain, or whatever, it simply is not true (in my opinion, ofcourse).

    • @juansamudio1171
      @juansamudio1171 2 роки тому

      @@bkadou I mean I personally don’t think it’s a great exercise for the glute medius but by all means it still definitely works and yea a lot of people demonize the pirifimoris irritating your sciatic nerve but I don’t think that applies to everyone I mean some people are born with the sciatica going through the priformis but even then the fiber type of the prifimoris is not really meant for growth or not capable for growth like other muscles.
      Thank you helping me clear it up I’m glad I want the only one :)

  • @henriquenunes3255
    @henriquenunes3255 2 роки тому +4

    I feel like an overlooked aspect is intention while lifting.
    Both your gym bro pump guy and your typical I combine "strength and hypertrophy" youtuber get this concept mixed up. The pump is indeed important, but the way the term is widely used mixes it up with cardiovascular, high and half rep pump. What I mean is a intentional pump meaning, always bracing /contracting the target muscle before getting into the concentric, focusing on using only the target muscle while exerting force and also trying to resist mainly with the target muscle during the eccentric (example: letting your hands and arms relaxed during a lat pulldown and start by contracting your lats to pull against resistance at the top of the eccentric, and then slowly bringing your arms down while feeling the lats flexing as the arms come down but only using your hands and arms as hooks that are relaxed).
    This can also be applied to compounds not only to isolation exercises, but you will probably need to decrease the weight, but if your goal is size it will definitely help . In some exercises it is also wise to leave out the bottom and top part of the ROM to keep TUT higher (no half reps though!!), but sometimes it feels more natural to get in to the stretch so it is always important to brace before the concentric.
    On the other side you have the "I combine strength and size youtuber" that claims that if you are natty, you must train like a powerlifter and not a bodybuilder but this is not true. Sure strength will give you better chances of progressively overload, but why not trying to increase strength while perserving technique and intention standards instead of moving the weight from point A to B and blindly trust that biomeachanics will somehow handle bracing and muscular engagement? If you use a certain tempo and explosiveness to move a higher weight , you simply are compensating and using more muscles, making them "parasites" to the growth of the muscle you want to target. Plus, a higher tempo also kinda implies stretch reflex and momentum and those are also tension killers.
    You can compensate by maybe reaching a weight where you cant do anything but engage all your muscles maximally, but the risk to award and stimulus to fatigue ratio are shitty AF.
    That is why a lot of these youtubers "come back to bodybuilding" to fix "weaknesses".
    Often in strength training, you only amp up what is already strong, because the body tends to bias what is most capable so it performs better.
    Bodybuilding is a more "subtle, isolated interaction with your muscles as units so they perform better as a whole". I hear a lot of people tossing out lateral raises because their traps get too involved. How about reducing the weight and bracing your delts before bringing them up (using the hands and rest of the arms as hooks that are relaxed)?

    • @rockyevans1584
      @rockyevans1584 2 роки тому

      I feel like you've binged a few vids on yt and are now offering unsolicited advice that wasn't asked for. Take an English class at least, then the weakly related topics you group together here will be given in a more coherent manner. Anyone who watches this channel is probably more familiar than you with the concepts you mention

    • @matthewclomo5265
      @matthewclomo5265 2 роки тому +3

      @@rockyevans1584 it’s decent enough English and he is just offering advice by posting it in the comments. Might help someone.

    • @rockyevans1584
      @rockyevans1584 2 роки тому

      @@matthewclomo5265 it's not decent and is so far from concise that it will help* no one. Clarity is a key part of communication, I understand everything he was shooting for but this is a horrible way to try to spread the message. Won't help anyone imo

    • @henriquenunes3255
      @henriquenunes3255 2 роки тому

      @@rockyevans1584 i am not a native but I would say that it is concise enough. It is just a longer comment and I freestyled a bit, but I would say that it is not as bad as you describe it.
      I am talking about something that I consider to be overlooked by my own experience, so the attempt to describe it will of course be a bit meh.
      Is there comment advice that is asked for?? As far as I know people only ask for videos .
      I didnt get my information from binging videos, but through my own training experience (15 years). I just had thought about this topic and RP just posted this video so I thought I could share my "unsolicited" thoughts. Plus if you get the gist, it probably was concise ;).

    • @henriquenunes3255
      @henriquenunes3255 2 роки тому

      @@matthewclomo5265 thanks man appreciated!!

  • @justingreek6428
    @justingreek6428 2 роки тому

    Wow. I thought the thumbnail was edited to make Dr. Mike look tiny.

  • @roger012194
    @roger012194 2 роки тому +1

    Damn I was just watching a video about your argument with Paul carter about lats. Tread lightly mike he might find this video 🤣

  • @johncalla2151
    @johncalla2151 2 роки тому

    I remember when that HMB-FA study came out I was the only guy on the bb forum saying it was full of crap. Then people were like, "WHAT? You're accusing the researchers of being shady??" Interesting after all these years to find out the truth finally came out.

  • @RapidBlindfolds
    @RapidBlindfolds Рік тому

    bret is like the teacher and mike and jared are like the disobedient runts 😂

  • @Gym-Girls
    @Gym-Girls 2 роки тому +4

    Lol this reminds me of the forced perspective in lotr