6 UNPOPULAR HOCKEY OPINIONS | BarDown Podcast
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2024
- Would you take Auston Matthews over Leon Draisaitl, or Connor Bedard over Jack Hughes? Jesse, Corwin, DZ and Luca share some of their unpopular hockey opinions, and also break down Jagr's retirement, a bunch of hat tricks, and some questionably priced stadium food.
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The reason I love the pod is you think you’re getting hot takes about trade deadline and end up listening to 4 grown men discuss how much a hot dog costs for way too long
they should just go to the polish legion in winnipeg. $5 for a draft beer and costco Dog
you guys should do a revamp of the old jersey quiz since there are way more jerseys. it would be sick
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Debating the “deals” at Scotiabank Arena is hilarious
I dropped 40 for a couple veggie dogs and a coke at Rogers over the summer. Reinforced my idea of eat before or after. It's nice to eat at the game but not that nice.
Marcel Dionne played 4 seasons with the Wings lol (he was drafted 2nd overall by them). Also scored 121 points for them one year...
AND he finished his career with the Rangers.
I like that the most heated they got wasn't because of any of their NHL hot takes, but when they were talking about food.
Z is wearing a EBBETS FIELD FLANNEL hat called the KANSAS CITY KATZ Baseball cap. EBBETS FIELD FLANNEL specialize in recreating vintage sport apparel and have had collabs with MLB and NFL. They even make Vintage Hockey Jerseys from teams in the 40s! Love their work!
The jerseys they sell also look beautiful. Just a bit out of my price range at the moment.
They do awesome stuff! Gonna have to pick up one of their flannel jerseys one day haha
Wings Mt Rushmore
Yzerman, Howe, Lidstrom, Fedorov
And then you realize that they have an insane list of players you're leaving off. Abel, Delvecchio, Lindsay, Sawchuk, Kelly, Shanahan, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, etc.
Lindsay and Datsyuk HAVE to be there too. Lindsay literally has an NHL trophy after him and Datsyuk literally made new dekes used today.
Howe , yzerman , sawchuck , lidstrom
A couple of things. A few weeks ago I bought a last minute ticket to the Sharks game (1 minute AFTER puck drop) for 9 USD (12.15 CAD). I then bought popcorn and a beer and it cost me 27 USD (36.45 CAD).
When the Sharks played Vancouver back in November and lost 10-1 that one goal for the Sharks happened when the score was 10-0 with 3 minutes 48 seconds remaining. The goal was arguably goalie interference but the Canucks didn't challenge despite it likely costing Demko the shutout.
Why does jesse look like he smoked 3 blunts with snoop before any of these videos ? 😂😂 Unprofessional 🎉 i love it ❤
Bedsy lol
Marcel Dionne began playing for the Red Wings before he played with the Kings.
So, Red Wings, Kings and Rangers
6:52 Ray Bourque not being mentioned is tragic
Went to Colorado and won a cup there
As a penguins fan I have been blessed but I will definetly cry when Crosby retires
We all will😢
@@jonathanboivin9454 Crybabies :D (only a joke, i love sid)
As a long time Belfast Giants fan - and newish listener to the pod (last 6 months) - I absolutely was not ever expecting to hear them mentioned😂
Giants v Leafs is a game we should be seeing, a battle of the Keefes
As far as the opening conversation goes, the only other two teams with a similar Mount Rushmore to the Oilers & Penguins are the Red Wings (Howe, Lidstrom, Yzerman, Datsyuk/Fedorov/Delvecchio) and the Bruins (Orr, Bourque, Esposito, Bergeron/Chara/Bucyk/Shore).
Canadiens a little shorted by the list being capped at four, if you went ten deep on legends then they'd be in the mix.
Lafleur, Richard, Beliveau, and then choose any of Dryden, Plante, Roy, Robinson, Harvey, etc?
Original six teams all have solid Mt Rushmores, especially when you take into account the fact fewer games were played per season 40 years ago. Also, positions other than forward exist; these four excel in points production. For example:
Howe, Yzerman, Federov, Lidstrom, Lindsay, Sawchuk, Datsyuk, Delvecchio
Richard, Plante, Beliveau, Roy, Dryden, Lafleur, Harvey, Robinson, Vezina,
Orr, Esposito, Bucyck, Borque, Shore
T-Mobile has some good portioned food. The main concession food is good plus all the other food places. There's a Rollin Smoke and their brisket fries are great.
I love how the most fired up the guys got was over the mini eggs
To be honest, i thought draisaitl was better than matthews too. I was not mad about the pick tho, they all elite players. I just let recency bias get the better of me, auston is so unreal man absolutely unbelievable. Keep up the good work guys, love man from the netherlands! Cant wait for the trade deadline show coming up!
Dionne played 4 seasons in Detroit, 11 full seasons in LA and most of a 12th there finished in NYR and another 2 in NY
Appreciate yall giving Byfield the credit he deserves 🤝
If putsburg were to commit to a rebuild, they could get alot for malkin, guentzel, rust, accari, smith, rakkel, a few of the defensive peices, jarry. You could get great return for all of those rn. I know that would absolutely gut the team. But youd also have so many 1st and 2nd round picks and prospects from the return they could choose to let a 4 year rebuild simmer or trade it all and sign players until your ready to go in a year.
Same 2 questions. When can we get these guys their own channel? Also when is the next Quiz? AM34 has been great. Leon on a down year. AM34 being on pace with Ovi 8 is wild and will have a heck of a career. AM34 belongs above Leon at this point. Ranks 1.97 some space. 2. Mackinnon. some space. 3. AM34 4. Kuch 5.Leon
Y'all might be too young to remember Mugsy Bouges or Spud Webb. 5'3 and 5'6 respectively. Spud Webb won the dunk contest one year I want to say.
Thinking Matthews has a better overall game than McKinnon while completely failing to account for Clutch and Leadership Factors is the most myopic Leafs homer take I've heard since the last time these homers all sat in a round.
The Lafreniere vs Slafkovsky debate at 34:50 is silly. It's like the Kreider vs Gallagher debate from a few years back all over again lol.
If you compare Laf's first 95 games to Slafkovsky's first 95 games, Laf has 32 pts (20g/12a) with TOI/GP of 13:42 and 0 PP production (lol David Quinn). On the other hand Slafkovsky in his first 95 games has 40 pts (16g/24a) with TOI/GP of 15:12.
Laf was roadblocked and getting 3rd line minutes behind Panarin/Kreider for years and still doesn't get PP ice time. Just this season alone - Laf has 73:19 of PP TOI over 56 GP, while Slafkovsky has 161:17 of PP TOI over 56 GP.
People just look at the statsheets / eyetest but don't consider the context lol. They are finally giving Laffy top minutes (avg 17~ mins TOI/GP, just like Slafkovsky) with stronger players and it's not a surprise that he's now looking like a key part of the Rangers offense.
Video idea: create the best 23-man team possible with the goal of winning as many cups as possible over the next 5-7 years. Gotta be under the cap, so taking into account age, term, next contract (especially for ELC’s - :ahem: bedard…), “cup pedigree”, size, etc.
Keep up the good work boys!
Agreed with you guys, Barry is an absolutely elite show
I did feel that the Devils jersey looked a lot like the the Flyer's stadium series 2019 jersey
You should check the food prices at Mercedes Benz Stadium. We’re watching the USWNT there in April and plan to just eat there all day because the food is priced so well.
If the NHL is really trying to reduce fighting, they could try ignoring it. No whistle. No stopping. Just let play continue 4 on 4. See what fighters team mates think and do next. I'm curious.
my favourite part were the comments harassing jesse when he was right...who the fuck wants to pay 40 bucks for a sandwich. there were a couple crazy ones ☠
Not surprising the Jew would complain about the prices
With that being said, $40 for a sandwich is some bullshit
Would really love to discuss an all star game change that hasn't been talked about. Im hoping there are ways to improve
“The Canucks are good. We’re saying it out loud, really good players, good team. What more do you want?”
Who do you have for the cup?
“Rangers, florida, Colorado, Vegas, Edmonton, Dallas, Winnipeg… uhh Toronto…. Philadelphia? Carolina?”
The Canucks mafia is not pleased.
The Bedard Hughes hot take feels like an NBA2k mycareer podcast cutscene
Amalie Arena in Tampa has expensive but really reasonable food options and portions
Gudas screaming at the Leafs goalie... "This guy's the worst why would he do that"
Bedard stares down the goalie and points at the scoreboard... "I love this stuff" 😂😂😂
Taking Bedsy for the future, no question. What he is doing on this Blackhawks team is the most impressive rookie season since ovi/Crosby in 05
For the who can compete with the "Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, Malkin" top 4: the habs could compete:
"Richard, Beliveau, Lafleur, Harvey"
or even the all goalie:
"Plante, Dryden, Roy, Price"
Probably the Bruins: Orr, Esposito, Bourque, Neely. If Neely's career was too short, Johnny Bucyk.
Marcel Dione also played for the Red Wings
Mt Rushmores:
MTL Beliveau, Richard, Lafleur, Morenz
DET Howe, Yzerman, Lindsay, Lidstrom
BOS Orr, Shore, Esposito, Bourque
This should just be the name of the podcast at this point tbh
Such bad takes
Richard, Beliveau, Lafleur, Roy
Montréal Mt Rushmore
Richard, Vézina, Lafleur, Roy
Shoutout BullkBarn trips w/ the boys
i LoVe ThE jEtS 1:59 lmfaoo
The rumor is that the red wings blue jackets stadium series game next year will have michigan-ohio state themed jerseys
I don't think the Stadium Series has to have some special meaning to it. It's just outdoor hockey games, and most hockey fans like seeing those. Theyre fun to watch even on TV. I don't care how many times its been done. I wanna see several on the schedule every season.
I'm not gonna come out and say Jack Hughes will have a better career than Connor Bedard, but I feel like Hughes is getting massively underrated even in this specific comparison. I think its a pretty safe to say the Devils struggles this year are pretty closely tied to Hughes' availability. The guy was looking like a top 5 player in the League before he first went down. And with the way he plays, I can't see any reason to doubt his ability to sustain that production. His skill attributes are insane and I think he has several 100pt seasons ahead of him.
Sometimes I think we overrate how good guys are in comparison to others just based on how productive they are in their first season. Dont get me wrong, its super impressive what Bedard is doing at his age and his size... but being a late bloomer does not mean youre automatically a lesser player than the guy who lit the League up in his rookie year. Just look at Nathan MacKinnon. Does anyone doubt that hes a top tier player now?
I see no reason why Jack Hughes and Connor Bedard shouldnt be in the same tier even a few years down the line. I guess it really just depends on health.
Coffey (who has less points in an Oilers uniform than Nugent-Hopkins) over Kurri??
Nah
Oilers Rushmore would be: Gretzky, Kurri, Messier and McDavid.
For a bonus round question you should have it be: True or false the principal in the first mighty ducks movie is a teacher in the third one
It's so crazy that Matthews always the get argument that he's a top defensive forward, but there's nothing that supports that argument at all. He's not even the top defensive forward on his team. All the important draws in the defensive end are taken either by Tavares or Kampf, and Matthews always gets easier matchups than them as well. Keefe shelters Matthews defensively to give him the best chance at success and fans interpret as him being a beast, when it's just favorable matchups. Draisaitl on the other hand is on for all the most important draws in any situation, in addition, Drai carries the top performance into the playoffs, where Matthews fades away when the competition focuses on him more and makes him less effective.
Honestly, I don't want to hear any more complaints about the state of the CA Dollar. We have to pay for each of the streaming channels on Crave SEPARATELY!!
Dionne was also Drafted and played 4 seasons with Detroit lol.
If you're not gonna precondiment the sandwich, then it needs the little packet of mustard next to it so you can mustard it at your own convenience
You can pinpoint the moment when the editor went to make a coffee: 58:05-58:56 :) Just kidding.
Among franchise players to never leave, you guys forgot the Sedins, they never left Van
As a Penguins fan, I can’t deny how cool it would be to see Crosby play for another contender (even though the Penguins franchise is gonna be absolute poverty without him)
Next year in the Norwegial Elite Hockey League, the all stars will face off against a team of Zuccarello and some of his NHL friends.
44:28 im crying lmaooooo
Need more food convos
wow that dude in the falcons hat looks like the most beer league hockey player ive ever seen.
I am super jealous that DZ has a Kansas City Katz hat.
The Canucks are great, but this is going to be the first real playoff test for their core - which is extremely difficult to pull off.
Disappointed that DZ didn't know that Dionne was drafted by and played four seasons for the Red Wings before he headed to LA.
Lil Sas “Joker Baby” shoutout!!!
‘More force than a Lindholm roughing penalty’ 😂 That was such a nonsense penalty.
How much are you paying for your garden shed studio per month?
love u guys
Still can't believe TSN is putting money into BarDown.
"Matthews ar 2 is the biggest homer pick ive ever seen in my entire life"
That was me. And DZ is right. At the time it was a homer pick. He has maintained his stellar 2 way play and goal scoring, but he wasnt quite matching his MVP pace. Obviously he has been nothing short of spectacular the entire season and for the 24-25 preseason, there would be a much stronger case to have him at 2.
Who would want nylander over helle that’s crazy. Especially in a theoretical scenario 1 for 1, the leafs already have enough star forwards. it would be crazy not to give up Willy for helle imo
I think most people would take Bedard over Hughes long term. No wrong answer there really. Put either of those guys on an elite team and they'd be cruising. Also you guys should try seeing a game in Vancouver sometime, there's a Costco next door with their concession being accessible from outside. Cheap hotdog city!
If you include contracts, I think I'm also taking Liljgren over Power
I think Corwin missed a great unpopular opinion for Owen Power. Nobody wants to admit it but Owen Power is literally just an Erick Johnson type of dman
Canucks fan here.
I agree with the CV over BB comment like for sure
Marcel Dion did not just play for the kings he started in Detroit went to kings and then ended his career in ny for rangers and when I’ve had the chances to with him he has said he did go there cuz of money he was offered
Corwin trying not to be a homer challenge: IMPOSSIBLE
this debate will always be in the moment. ranking players before a season will always come from what they did the year before. at the start of the season Leon should have been ranked higher than mathews based on last season. this season creates whole new debates and rankings. i dont get why people get so mad about saying leon was better than mathews at that point, cause he was. now is a completely different story obviously.
Marcell dione left and played for the Rangers...dunno how you guys missed that and said he only played for L.A. him going to the Rangers past his prime one back when the Rangers were known for taking stars past their prime...they did it with Esposito and guy Lafleur too and it's why when the Messier trade happened new York faithful were skeptics at first 😂
Love this pod but how can you argue Kuc > Matthews?
Those Bauer skates behind Z are fucking fire🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥!!
As a leafs fan with a very unpopular opinion, i refuse to say Matthews is top 5 in the league until he carries his team in the playoffs. Doesn't need to win a cup, but i need to see him consitently produce in the playoffs like he does in the regular season and carry the team on a deep run. It frustrates me to no end that he disapprears so often in big games.
As a Red Wings fan: The Red Wings Mount Rushmore is probably up there with Mario Jagr, in my opinion. Yzerman Fedorov Lidstrom, and Datsyuk Zetterberg. Lidstrom happens to even cross both the Yzerman Fedorov period with the Datsyuk Zetterberg period.
No Mr. Hockey?!?!
Gordie Howe is on the NHL Mount Rushmore!
@@noptimized I agree, I just couldn't thing of another red wing that played at the same time with him that hit that echelon
Mario and Sid are better than all those guys
I had to translate Jesse’s sandwhich into Canadian dollars into American dollars and it was $26.70
Unpopular opinion: patrik stefan does not deserve as much hate as he gets for the empty net. The puck took a really bad bounce. Also his team completely collapsed and let Edmonton breeze through and score after it.
Just the 2002 Wings team could have a mount Rushmore similar to those 4 penguins.
Hmm idk
Jersey hosted the stadium series and knocked it out of the park. Rangers, islanders and flyers fans can wear their stadium series jersey with a nice patch that says Stadium Series 2024 New Jersey slapped right on their shoulder. Home team won for the home fans. 70k at night in attendance vs 9k more for an original 6 team during the day? Gimme a break what are you talking about TSN
Ray Bourque
Question for next episode: We all know makar and Hughes will be nominated for the Norris, who’s gonna come 3rd?
Gotta be dobson, bouchard, or fox
Iginla left too
Sidney Crosby is just hitting his second prime
Didn't Corwin have Kucherov at 11. Like Below J Rob if I'm remembering correct 😂
Raymond has more points than Byfield and Lafreniere yet doesn’t get mentioned 🤔
La and New York media markets
Wait, is Corwin an F1 fan??👀👏
I'd Love to see you guys critiquing NHL players Fashion drip' .. pre /post games ... You can call it "Drip-Check"!..
on the Petey vs Nylander debate, it really depends if you can get a helmet to fit their big ass domes properly
I see Malkin leaving before Crosby
ross colton is so underrated
respectable list of mount Rushmores for teams that compete with Pittsburgh's in no order and mainly prioritizing guys on how much of their career was spent with that team or having a HUGE impact on a cup win or long term success for a team (basically what being on the mount rushmore is lol):
All original 6 are going to have tons of depth and tons of guys who could fit in their mt Rushmore but if I miss a huge one let me know!
Chicago -Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Stan Mikita, Bobby Hull. HM's Brent Seabrook, Duncan Keith, Phil Esposito
Detroit- Steve Yzerman, Pavel Datsyuk, Dominik Hasek, Gordie Howe. HM's Chris Osgood, Nick Lidstrom, Henrik Zetterberg, Scotty Bowman here as well (4 cups in his time)
Boston- Bobby Orr, Patrice Bergeron, Ray Bourque, Eddie Shore. HM's Zdeno Chara, Tim Thomas, Brad Marchand, Cam Neely, Jonny Bucyk
Montreal- Ken Dryden, Scotty Bowman, Maurice Richard, Guy Lafluer. HM's Jacques Plante, Jean Beliveau, Henri Richard, Serge Savard, Guy Lapointe
NYR- Henrik Lundqvist, Rick Nash, Mark Messier, Brian Leetch. HM's Martin St. Louis, Adam Fox
Toronto- Wendel Clark, Daryl Sittler, Mats Sundin, Tim Horton. HM's CuJo, Doug Gilmour, Frank Mahovlich
Anaheim- Ryan Getlzaf, Corey Perry, Paul Kariya, Bobby Ryan
Colorado- Joe Sakic, Petr Forsberg, Patrick Roy, Rob Blake. HM's Nathan Macinnon, Adam Foote, Ray Bourque, Matt Deuchene
Dallas- Mike Modano, Ed Belfour, Tyler Seguin, Jamie Benn
Edmonton- Wayne Gretzky, Connor McDavid, Paul Coffey, Ryan Smyth HM's Grant Fuhr, Jari Kurri, Glenn Anderson.
LA- Jonathan Quick, Anze Kopitar, Drew Doughty, Dustin Brown. HM's Luc Robitaille, Jeff Carter
New Jersey- Martin Broduer, Scott Stevens, Scott Neidermayer, Cory Schneider. HM's Zach Parise, Patrick Elias, Jamie Langenbrunner
NYI- Mike Bossy, Johnathan Tavares, Dennis Potvin, Pat Lafontaine. HM's Brian Trottier, Bob Nystrom
Philly- Bobby Clarke, Eric Lindros, Mark Recchi, Claude Girouz. HM's Ron Hextall, John Leclair
San Jose- Owen Nolan, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Evgeni Nabokov. HM's Joe Pavelski
St. Louis- Chris Pronger, Brett Hull, Al MacInnis, Alex Pietrangelo.
Tampa Bay- Vincent Lecavalier, Steven Stamkos, Viktor Hedmen, Steve Yzerman (the GM). HM's Martin St. Louis, Brad Richards, Nikita Kucherov, Andrei Vasilevskiy, there's so many for this team lol
Vancouver- The Sedins, Roberto Luongo, Markus Näslund, Pavel Bure.
Washington- Ovi, Nick Backstrom, Olaf Kolzig, Braden Holtby. HM's Mike Green, Brooks Laich, T. J. Oshie
Who did Jessy even cheer for before the Jets existed? 😂
He came out of the womb in a jets jersey