recent megaten have been pure existencialism dilemmas, is it wrong because a higher being told you so?, maybe freedon is not so great at the cost of someone else, or maybe just dont break the cycle, the status quo happened to be more reasonable...just enjoy the ride
Chaos is chaos Law is law Neutral is balance. Hidden is just a world rid of demons. But just like lucifer said. They will continue to exist. However, they won't be able to enter that world so long as the protagonist lives
@@jackour8167 question is... without Aogami, hes no longer a Nahobino... so he cant be in charge of the throne... right? And he'd also have a mortals lifespan me thinks, unless the throne is a space where time doesnt move, so nor would he age.... but idk, without concrete answers. Its all hearsay
Don't worry SMT V Maniax Redux Deep Journey is coming with new endings, extended endings for exiting ones and probably an extra dungeon filled with new gods.
@@fly8414 i just want better story and at least 3 New routes + New endings (like SJR) so it justify me paying 30$ (not the coin in my country but it's the same) again
*Monotheistic(/Law) Ending* Nahobino: I side with Dazai. I will put everyone back into the matrix like god intended. Dazai: Ouchie ouch. I am dead. Nahobino: You gotta be kidding me. Atsuta: Try and get past me. This isn't even my final form! (1 battle later) N-Tsukuyomi: Ouchie ouch. Yakumo: I side with humanity, but I will turn into a giant snake thing because that totally makes sense. (1 battle later) N-Nuwa: Ouchie ouch. Nahobino: Well that was dumb. Oh hey look the throne. I am now the new [YHVH]. Time to put everyone back into the matrix I guess. Narrator: And so everyone was put into the matrix like nothing happened. The end. *Polytheistic(/Chaos) Ending* Nahobino: I side with Atsuta. I will put humanity in the hands of other gods. Atsuta: Ouchie ouch. I am dead. Nahobino: You gotta be kidding me. Dazai: Try and get past me. This isn't even my final form! (Transforms into bull centaur with boobs) Nahobino: What the hell? (1 battle later) N-Abdiel: Ouchie ouch. Yakumo: I side with humanity, but I will turn into a giant snake thing because that totally makes sense. (1 battle later) N-Nuwa: Ouchie ouch. Nahobino: Well that was dumb. Oh hey look the throne. Time to put humanity in the hands of other gods. I'm sure nothing chaotic will happen. Narrator: And so every other god that isn't [YHVH] held a grip on humanity. Disagreements led to chaos. The end. *Atheist(/Neutral?/Anarchy?) Ending* Nahobino: I side with Yakumo. Time to destroy the throne. Yakumo: Ouchie ouch. I have no more energy to destroy the throne. Nahobino: God dammit. (2 Bosses Later) Nahobino: Oh hey look the throne. Time to destroy it. Tao: Please don't destroy the throne. Nahobino: I will destroy the throne. Amitabha: Please don't destroy the throne. Nahobino: Ok just let me take the throne. I will totally not destroy it. Amitabha: [Ok, I believe you!] (BOOM!) Nahobino: (smirk!) Anarchy Reigns. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Amitabha: What have you done? Narrator: And so anarchy reigned. Humanity was able to stand on its feet against the demons or something. The end.
*True Ending* Nahobino: I did a bunch of side quests. Including this cool one with Khonsu. I side with Yakumo I guess. Yakumo: Ouchie ouch. I have no more energy to destroy the throne. Nahobino: God dammit. Nuwa: By the way, you can now go through with our original plan I guess. This also has nothing to do with that cool side quest you did with Khonsu but was required for me to tell you anyway. Nahobino: That is not very epic. (2 Bosses Later) Nahobino: Oh hey look the throne. Time to destroy it I guess. Tao: Please don't destroy the throne. Nahobino: Why not? Tao: You can create your own world and make that side quest you did with Khonsu worth it. Nahobino: [Ok, I believe you!] Time to recreate the world. What the? Lucifer: Hello there. If you try to recreate the world without demons, they will just come back, but if you kill me then you can probably break the mandala cycle and separate your world from demons. Maybe. Nahobino: Sure why not. (Freikugel/Divine Arrowfall BOOM!) Lucifer: You have done well. I am now dead. [AAAAAAAAAAAA--] Protag: Time to recreate the world. Aogami: This is goodbye. Protag: The world is recreated. It doesn't look too different, but because there's another me running around, I broke the cycle I guess. Also I have golden eyes because I am god or something. The end.
It fits though. Lucifer wanted true change from the world. And after letting Chaos ensue, he gained the knowledge he sought, the truth he wanted to pursue for true change.
@@FennelRPG A lot of older fans don't like IVA for the "friendship is power" trope that IVA incorporated into it's story, which made it seem out of place for your usual SMT Game. I very much enjoy every game of the series, despite the flaws that each game has, but every game will have those issues, considering none is perfect. IVA shoehorned YHVH in so quickly, rushing it with no buildup at the very end, but the characters were fleshed out and the story was fun, but not like the usual dread and atmosphere of previous games. SMT V has its flaws for sure, but it's still a beautiful game with an interesting story concept, but it's characters deserved to have more weight to help carry the story, and some minor pacing issues leading up to the demon kings castle. SMT V had a lot of re-writes through development, the original writer also left during it as well, so I'm hoping if a new version ever comes, there are improvements that correct its flaws. All and all, each game is enjoyable, regardless of the flaws that people say.
@@FennelRPG I believe they can definitely make a vast change with V, despite it's shortcomings and pacing, I absolutely love it. The anticipation and hype that lead up to SMT V releasing, is something I'll never forget, the beginning trailers really seemed quite different too. The very first reveal, it looked very MC/Heroine focused, but there were some re-writes that were going on during development, so we ended up with the final product. It may be a divide among fans when it comes to certain SMT games, but I just say play what you love, and gush about it all you want, every game has some unique charm to it Crossing my fingers for a maniax/expansion to SMT V that maybe offers cut content, or a different story approach from older writing, during the 30th anniversary. 🙏
I wish there was a Nahobino ending, an ending where demons and humans go back to their original form. Our Nahibino fusing with the throne would stop another Bethel from rising and so it would be a perfect mix of Law and Chaos ending.
That's the ending featuring those characters who are obsessed with saving Tokyo, right? Demons and humans living together, all demons, all religions going brrrrr, so you have potential nahobinos everywhere and etc That's pretty much the chaos ending with extra steps
Fun fact, in the very last scene of the Neutral + ending, the person says " Only the cosmos knows what tomorrow will bring" in Japanese, French and Italian he says "Only The Great Will know the knows the future"
More than YHVH I think the great will he is talking is the Axion the entity who created the amala network, the entity that Steven met and also the one above YHVH
@@regular_pizza This "Axion" ever showed up in the franchise? I did played SMT4 and Apocalypse, Steven has significant screen time... but the final FINAL thing, naah, it never shows up. YHVH is the finals boss with his automaton angels... by the way, it's funny how SMT4 vilified the jewish religion, the monotheistic religion with the egotistical God, which is not far from the source of their mythos, God in the bible is pretty much a tyrant. But anyway, I was curious to see how Atlus depicts this higher being who even controls God and etc
@@regular_pizza It's the one were Steven stands up and that is supposed to be a super boss fight? I've only seen images about it, I played that game for so long, I was sick and tired of it, I didn't played this DLC. But it seems the closest we got to what is behind this "mandala system", that is Steven and his story bits
I'm fairly new to SMT, but I still think it's weird that your recruited allies would still fight for you when your ideals are to rid them from existence.
I remember in Nocturne, Chiaki says somehing like: all you need is your own power, or something, and i was like: i would have been dead ages ago without my demons lmao
@@yemboy123 Sure, I can see that making sense if they simply had to tolerate your ideals. But in this case they are also fighting for their own doom. Which is kinda messed up.
I wish there was a "fairy village ending". An ending in which demons and humans learn to live together. Not that this would've solved all problems and be a perfect ending (smt never really has perfect endings anyways), but I think this could've been a nice alternative for the secret ending with Miyazu and Khonsu as the key figures.
Plus, demons and humans living together may not be the happy ending it will seem to be. Some demons may be too capricious for humans to live with. Some noble demons may become disgusted by humanity’s worst and stop defending them. Some humans may note it’s strange they have to live with demons like Moloch or Surt, and many demons not as obviously horrible or destructive may be put off by the humans all too willing to discriminate. Some demons are inherently harmful to humans like Succubus. Some creatures hew so far from human morality they will do damage no matter what is good by their philosophy or not. In fact, it could itself lead into another conflict. Law would regulate demons’ efforts since that Millennium Kingdom YHVH wants is gone. Chaos would be humans and demons again in their own world following their own desires but they’re separate so it’s more alienating that usual. Neutral would be like demon and human nations. Some places are fine for humans and demons, some are human only, some are demon only. Furthermore, they define themselves by how willing they are to accept demons or prioritize humans or demons or both, and the reasons for their national ideologies. This might be too human-focused but it could be cool to see SMT’s Law/Chaos/Neutral system filtered through a human lens, but under a lens where demons are still affected. It could even be something like SMT3’s or SMT4’s endings which don’t align nicely to those endings.
Miyazu and Khonsu were for sure supposed to be reps of some kind. The game certainly seems like some content was cut. I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-release from Atlus down the line honestly, à-la royal/redux/golden
@@iantaakalla8180 1. You're right. Then it's humanity's fault for being so disgusting. 2. Like with that Lilim side quest, I'm not banking on her morality. I'm banking on her intelligence. It's like in Vampire the Masquerade, where, barring extenuating circumstances, you try not to fatal feed. 3. LOL, human morality. What's that based on? Sounds like another spook to me.
@@Mene0 I like to think that Miyazu could have been a 'Light' rep (I don't think they really pay attention to the Light and Dark axis but still) or the Female co-protagonist (similar to how SMT 1 has two protags). I will keep it in my mind that maybe logistical issues might have happened here and there.
Chaos best ending. I don't get how True Neutral can be "optimal" when you're forced to do side quests showing the good side of demons to be able to unlock it in the first place.
And besides it impossible, the reason demons and gods exist is because we imagine them, we believe in them, well I guess since IV and Apocalypse had chaos and law endings that where clearly wrong they decided to make V with the neutral ending kind wrong or impossible
@@vincenzopaollogrieco9385 if that were the case, the sheer amount of belief would cause God to respawn immediately after being killed by Lucifer, assuming the snake was truthful about his triumph.
@@christopherbravo1813 it takes time but that the reason YHWH always comes back, is because of that also YHWH is not even the biggest thing in this universe since he was created by human though, there something above by a character named Stephen and the Axiom
You know, it would have been cool if the humans halves of the nahobino talked to you once you beaten them, just like Walter and Jonathan did in IV once you defeat Merkabah of Lucifer, seeing them just gone like that doesn't realy makes you values the ideals at all
This game, despite the several massive flaws in the story I genuinely think the law/chaos/neutral dynamics are better than they are in any numbered SMT game. As in, the law faction, at no point in the story, commits genocide, the chaos faction wouldn't be considered childish by a five year old, and neutral isn't a bunch of uwu enlightened centrist goody-goodies and the right choice by every metric. I still think the mere existence of the true ending devalues those dynamics but all the same, it's a major step up in the series' writing. If they actually bothered to develop any characters other than Dazai during the story, I would have no reservations in calling this one of the best games ever.
what are some of the massive flaws. i just finished it and absolutely loved it. going in i was expecting to be disappointed based on what everyone was saying
@@PenguinsAreColdish basically what the other guy said. The main method of storytelling is, every few hours, having a character vomit their motivations at you for a few sentences, then leave. Yakumo will just go "I hate demons" or Yuzuru will say "I wanna protect Tokyo" and that's the majority of the writing. This doesn't apply to all of the cast. Two don't even get that much. Miyazu is relegated to a god damn side quest and even that isn't really much. And Tao is either one of two things. She is A) sad about Sahori or B) just a fuckin robot to facilitate your ascension to godhood. The exceptions are Koshimizu, who benefits from the sparse writing, and Abdiel and Dazai, who actually have character arcs. Also Lucifer just pulling the Mandala cycle out of his ass to add some extra spice to the true ending is BS and fails.
The kind of ending I wish for is one of a mix, where humans, gods and demons could co exist. With the Nahobino on the throne and with more Nahobino being born with demons/gods finding their human partners. Plus with the revived Sahori and Tao
I think the closest to that might be Chaos; despite the rough start that the world would be in due to the crazy conflicts of the myriad gods, not only do the gods, demons, and people have the freedom to make their own choices (for better or worse), but let's not forget that MC also has the freedom to make his own choices about who he wants to resurrect, how he wants to protect everyone (including humans who won't be able to defend themselves from gods or demons), and how the world can be managed and/or governed for the sake of progress. Plus, it's implied that, compared to the neutral endings and Law, this is a world with infinite potential and endless possibilities, so in the long run, there's at least a chance for the best possible outcome (which I would say could even include permanently breaking away from the Mandala System). I'm sure others might disagree, but that's my take. EDIT: Law MIGHT work this way, as well? Now that I think about it, the Law ending doesn't say that humans, gods, and demons can't coexist. It's just that 1) no one will ever know that you recreated the world so that they'd live peacefully and 2) they'll have to show respect to you. I'd be lenient about how much they show so long as it doesn't go against the peace I wanted to maintain. Free will is still around for those who value it, but it's optional, and for people like Dazai who were too insecure or too weak to pick themselves up, they still have you to fall back on by putting their faith in you as their God.
Closest you could get to this is SMTIV:A's "Bonds" ending, which seems like a very happy go lucky typical JRPG ending, but without the throne and finding human partners bit.
That is EXACTLY what I wanted to do in both SMT3 and this game. Maybe if SMTVI is ever a thing, we could get an ending like that. In fact I liked this idea so much that I've pretty much headcanoned this ending for both of those games.
I actually really liked true neutral ending. I was sticking with the same demons throughout the game powering up as I go and for me to basically sacrifice them all (especially Aogami and Mermaid) it was pretty bittersweet.
Same. I really liked the tone of how it ended. Especially after learning, that the Great Will was mentioned in Japanese version. This brings a lot of fun fantasies.
People don't like the true neutral ending because they are used to the moderate "coexist with demons" versions of neutrality they have gotten in other SMT games. One of the core themes of SMT5 is sacrifice. If you truly want to uphold your ideal of humanity before all in neutral, you need to sacrifice all demons for it. SMT5s true neutral ending is what I've wanted from a neutral ending for such a long time now.
@@Saintly_SG I'm a bit like Aogami, then. Funny how that's only "bad" when it's from a human. It's apparently "good" whenever _another_ species betrays their own for humanity. Valuing humanity is just taking humanity as the "new god". Saying how great humanity is while calling for a world with no gods is hypocritical delusion.
@@DarkAdonisVyers the point of a humanity first ending is that humanity doesnt need a God or demon to guide it. I never said humanity is great. I said that humanity has the right to self determination. Its giving humanity a choice and a chance. You're twisting it into worship of humanity. I believe in that concept and you dont. That's okay, that's why there is multiple endings
@@av8r195 "it's genocide lol" Yes, it is. So what, you are playing a game where you literally build your character to enforce your ideal. So what if you "befriend" them, the main priority of smt games is always the ideal that you want to uphold in the end. Furthermore, its a roleplaying game. Maybe you befriended demons but I valued my ideal over "bonds of friendship" (which btw, aogami literally said that he would do the same thing cause he is essentially you.) The ending doesn't make sense to YOU because YOU cannot fathom prioritizing your ideal and sacrificing it all for what you believe in. Yes killing all demons for the sake of my ideal is something I'm absolutely willing to do, which is why I did it :D! What is the other solution then, people always want to find the most moderate ending. This is especially strange for a series like smt, which is built on the concept that everything requires sacrifice. Are you saying that there was another solution besides killing Walter and Jonathan for the neutral route in SMT4? Are you saying that there was another way to get the freedom ending in SMT3 without killing your friends who now stood in your way? In SMT games, you either uphold your ideal, or you get eliminated by people who want to assert their ideal. That's just how it is.
The alignments seems a bit out of whack in this one. Sure, having gods and demons in the world sounds chaotic but, technically, they've always been there, just not so involved and running around the place. And people thinking for themselves is a neutral thing not chaos; even some people struggling because they don't have drive or ambition sounds like a neutral thing as people are like that without gods and demons anyway. Regular neutral makes no sense because you damn humanity to just deal with the world as it is: desolate, barren, and broken with hostile forces everywhere. How is that neutral in any way??? Like, you may as well have not done anything at all the whole time and just wandered aimlessly; it would have had the same result. True Neutral and Law are the only two that make sense for what they say they are.
that why i don't understand about alignment. does atlus already confirmed that yuzuru is chaos ending and blah blah. i feel like its appropriate to call its by its name. like amutsukami ending, yakumo ending, abdiel ending, and the last is MC ending.
@@MisterMelvinheimer I mean the dudes a straight up human eliminating everything, not comparing him to our Lil femboy but I just find his strength to be on a higher level considering he dies when the boss aren't even using their nahobino form, and if they all have a nahobino form they just don't use it because of pure plot. But statistically wise I just think he's stronger then the rest of the side characters.
@@JONtheULTIMATE Yakumo is stronger than most characters but still would and does absolutely get shit on without his wife Nuwa always slithering around him.
@@JONtheULTIMATE He's not human he's a Meta-Human. It's a bit obscure but it's a thing in the lore. You could consider post transformation Chiaki and Isamu that too
These spiritually journeys take deep thoughts and understanding within yourself. To me, both Law and True Neutral Endings are a good fit for me as I would choose these two, mostly Law Ending. Thank you for the effort you gave.
I’m stuck between Law and Chaos. I’ve got no idea sa to which one to choose… The neutral endings simply don’t seem appealing to me. Funny how the two endings I may choose oppose each other. Now, the question remains : what does that say about me as an individual ?
@@Fallen_2003 you're extreme (no offence), preferring one way or the other, i.e. Cold or Hot water, not lukewarm. Or, you're displeased with Neutral more than wanting an ending.
Oh man, I hated those characters so much, specially Dazai... wtf is this character... didn't played many megaten games, thus far I finished P4, P5, SMT4, SMT Apocalypse and now SMTV... and hell, this Dazai is the worst Atlus character I've ever seen
Ditto. I admit that yeah, i think SMT V's plot is rather weak, especially because all the trailers made it seem like it was this big story anc character driven game and the actual result is "Ehh........'. But you know what? The game is total blast to play and is one of the most refined entries so far so i can forgive it.
@@JackFrostAegirine don't really know spoilers from this game or how this story progresses. But IF the story really is mediocre then I would be kinda dissapointed, bc I haven't seen any SMT game this advertised
@@JackFrostAegirine Btw, yeah I know it is ironic saying I don't know how the story goes coming from a video with how the story concludes. But I haven't seen the video, just checked some comments
@@JackFrostAegirine What was strong about any of the plots of smt? This is honestly a well written and is nit meant to be a super narrative world builder. It’s not snt IV which in some ways was overwritten and convoluted to some. This is why it is better. The philosophies involved while being similar to bloodborne was enough. The lore clues, quests are all adding to the story. The same people talking about story must not have been longtime smt fans because IV is not that deep either lol.
Literally just finished the game minutes ago: I figured I'd choose to break the cycle of wars and bullshit by destroying the throne, but yet somehow, I feel like I did something seriously wrong.
Isn't Lucifer kind of the secret hero of the game? He wanted you to kill him so that the world would stay how you make it, and not be taken over by demons again.
Although the Chaos ending should seem like a “bad” ending, it really isn’t for me. I like the Chaos ending because it seems to mimic how the real world actually works. There’s always going to be conflict, but things can work out when people work together. I would also rather choose for myself rather than be chosen for.
You know, I just realised something. In the true ending where there are no gods and demons, doesn’t that mean that the Nahobino killed characters like the Demi-fiend, Nocturne Pixie and other fan favourite gods and demons?
I think Chaos and neutral swapped. I mean even in neutral they said that THE WORLD WILL REMAIN ON CHAOS AND THERE WILL BE NO RULER. Wth is more chaotic than that. And in chaos ending you want gods and demons to live together with humanity in peace? Hmm...
Law: Use Throne, choose order. Chaos: Use Throne, choose freedom. Neutral: Use Throne, make choice of neither. Also Neutral: Break Throne, make no choice. Destroy the Throne is the literal sense of neutrality to the issue. You just don't give a shit, and apply a sledgehammer. Chaos has a genuine theology and goal in SMT. Neutral bad ending isn't new. :)
That ending where there are two protagonists and the yellow-eyed one is sitting on the seat… I went to go and see the cutscene at the beginning of the game that showed the same scene and there is a moment when it just shows a shot of an empty seat while people pass by. Always thought that was a weird, pointless shot. Now I think there was someone sitting there, but they couldn’t be seen. Would also explain why people were being killed by “animals” but no one ever saw the attacks. But now, I’m wondering… was the yellow-eyed protagonist the one sitting in the empty seat at the beginning? Does that mean that the “true” ending is a time loop or something? Or is it similar to the situation with the fake Tokyo and everything was recreated? I don’t know but it’s something to think about.
I don't think that is a recreation, because the protagonist supposedly created a brand new universe that have no Gods or demons. So, I think that scene is more a allusion to the "mandala system" mentioned by Lucifer, in this SMT franchise there is a entity that is even beyond God (the jewish monotheistic God that created the automaton angels, etc) and Lucifer and all that crap, this entity rules the "mandala system", etc.. so the cycle continues in that scene, the protagonist was able to create a "clean slate", but not so clean because the mandala remains. And that kinda works inline with shinto budhism, they believe on the infinite cycles and etc.. so, considering we are talking about a 1000% japanese game lol it's no surprise the Atlus writers used their own cultural background as inspiration, even if a "western" God is usually at the top (as a villain, mind you), in the end the eternal cycle is what dictates the real rules
@UCBkb3WfqbTEcxJ7gYgVToYg you sound like an entitled child, chill out. They reused the same assets and artwork in most SMT games for the better half of nearly a decade and a half (if not MORE if you count how many designs and whatnot were initially used on the Saturn) nobody every batted an eye or felt like they were being cheated by Atlus. I for one am thankful we even got a mainline SMT game expecting most of my adulthood to be filled with Persona 4 spin-offs and ports
@@Shimapanacea 5 years to get reused assets and worse story then any other smt games. 5 years to only get 25 new demons, do you comprehend that? They will keep cutting corners every game to maximize profits and it will only get worse when kids like you keep swallowing it whole. Grow up, they are a business and its purpose is making money
@@electronicraisin5956 Except that new demons and story aren't all there is to this game. 25 new demons isn't optimal but still pretty good imo and yeah the story wasn't the best but I think that just the improvements to general gameplay justify the wait
@@electronicraisin5956 i do think there has been some substantial improvement with SMT 5. The exploration, combat, progression, animations, and environment & art design is quintessential. You can tell there was effort and passion put into this game. It didn't matter to me that the game was lacking demons even if I was noticable (Ardha, Saturnus, maybe even Cthulhu Mythos demons like Hastur etc) because the bad story took more attention. It makes me hopeful that if they managed to get down the gameplay design with this game then upon looking at feedback they will go back to the drawing board and improve the story for the next mainline game... i hope anyway.
this sounds like the setup of them adding eldritch beings, the system is gonna trouble shoot this problem and send in the grotesque anti-virus program to do the job.
This game had good gameplay and promising plot but the characterization and execution of the plot left much to be desired. We barely get to know the humans, Aogami is basically an AI that follows the mc and the bosses just jump out at random with no rhyme or reason for showing up when they do. I’d give it a 7.5/10.
Wish the endings had official names so we didn't have to call them Law, Chaos, Neutral and True Neutral, because they're kind of all anything but that. In the "law" route our means to an end have us completely subverting the law of God before going on to elimate human Knowledge as well as free will and original sin. In the "chaos" route we end up upholding the laws of godhood and embracing the limitless potential of the world at large. Tokyo is presumably saved and not a lot changes for mankind given that people have always gone to war over their gods anyway. In the "neutral" route we embrace literal social darwinism to such a degree that I'm sure we'd be making Jiminez proud, and in the "true neutral" route we suddenly betray all of our demon friends we made along the way for... no justifiable reason at all?
I got the true ending by only doing the shiva subquest which was weird since many walkthroughs and websites state it requires several subquests and stuff, suprised me that it only needs one optional battle to unlock that (in that run I only had 3 subquests done total, shiva fight, maria in her nature godess fight and hu pao where she became your navigator).
I know she went through the big change and all, but I still find it slightly amusing that literally none of the alignment representatives point out Tao when she’s with the protagonist ajdjjf Unless I missed something, but the thought-
@@haihuynh8772 I think the point is that everytime we seek a definitive resolution, space and time prove to be even bigger than we thought, discovering cycles within cycles, wondering when will the final frontier be achieved. That or that the cash cow must keep lactating until it no longer can
Solid game but not gonna lie, none of these endings hit for me and all felt like differing levels of mid. They honestly just made me want an ending where the throne is ours and we leave to go mess around with Amanozako and Tao or somethin. Edit: I realized why these endings don't feel right for me, and it's cuz aside from the story feeling somewhat bare bones the story it tried to tell absolutely doesn't work with a self insert silent protag. Older games had side characters and bigger focuses on story to better help mask it but since this one has MC alone for almost all of the game that silent mc shit starts to fuck with the story. Because the mc is stone faced for the entire game it just feels like he's goin with the Flow and doesn't care either way as he shows zero attachment to anything. That shit don't work in a game about killing your way to the top of all gods in order to change the universe to your whims. In a story like that an actual character with depth is needed to push the alignment choices so the endings actually work. Nahobino feels too much like Joker since aside from his drip he's cardboard as fuck but it's worse cuz theres no one to guide the story around him and push him to keep going (outside of hype beast Tao but it's almost all towards the end), so he ends up just feeling aimless until a new set of orders from Bethel come in, or you hit the alignment lock and just follow whoever is in that alignments orders until the game ends.
aggred, atleast in 4/A you got the MC that has expression lol, esp Appo MC, god I like his smirk. Here Nahobino just '__' almos the entire cutscene lmao. Only one time he smirks was in the chaos ending iirc
Totally agree. Honestly the story in this game is so weak I'm shocked it was green-lit to release like this. It doesn't feel like there were any writers who cared, so they just shoved in generic dialogue and made some ham-fisted endings to try and wrap it up. A stone-faced protagonist with one dimensional, narrow-sighted side-characters, and 15-20 hours between story-snippets is a tragically bad mix, and the combat system alone can't salvage the game. I felt as emotionally detached as the protag looks to be throughout the game. You can recreate the whole world to be ANYTHING. Limitless possibilities, but the Protag (and writers) lack vision, so this is what we get.
So it took me awhile to finally sit down and play this game. Was so excited for it when it came out and then life happens. I go neutral all the way, until I get to the end so I can get the true neutral ending and it made me want to cry. One because your life was torn apart, you befriend demons and Aogami is the nicest person. To save humanity all gods and demons have to perish. I just don’t see this as the best scenario. I mean if you destroy the throne humanity keeps fighting the good fight. Sad part of that one is, you get to watch it all happening from afar. I honestly have to say all the endings are not that great. Why couldn’t we have had an ending where we all coexisted. I still love the game. Just wished it would have ended differently.
I think that’s why out of all the endings Neutral is my personal favorite. Sure we up and pretty much step away from the conflict but we see humanity survive and win and no one could ideally control mankind now that the throne is in shambles.
@@doomkrieg3817 id say a to each their own in that regard. I mean without God, is there even a heaven? Without that throne... are we to simply suffer through countless hardship until he eventually expire and nothing more?
@@Prince_Smugarina That is a fair enough point. I guess it all has to do with perspectives and personal life experiences which lead to such decisions ultimately. In some cases knowing that there is one afterlife is great. Having the option of many afterlives depending on your religious outlook could be great as well. But what if said god or gods were actually twisted amalgamations that desired nothing for mankind and left them abandoned anyways? There are many ways things such as this can ideally twist and turn in the idea of religion, relationships, war, etc. Always did find it interesting the ways it shapes a person or what aspirations and hopes along with fears it can quantify as everyone has a different take on each side.
Doesn't the Chaos ending also have a part where the guy goes "The reign of the Myriad gods is close at hand!" Instead of "The order of God shall be presserved"
To be quite honest, the true ending is such a bummer, I mean, you're basically god now and you just wipe every demon including your friends whom you made on the way from existence. Aogami, Amanozako, etc. - like, my guys at Atlus, wtf? That's not what I beat Shiva for and completed all Fionns Quests. Also I was so happy over the introduction of Aogami, cool & level-headed character only interested in making your life better, and you thank him with a knife to the back in the canon ending? Like, you introduce a great character and the canon ending is he immediately gets wiped from existence again..wow Also all the endings feel so much the same. The extra Lucifer encounters were REALLY fun, don't get me wrong, but when he approached me in the True ending, interrupting Aogami to ask if he couldn't get a word in, I thought he was gonna propose ANOTHER option like "save specific demons" or "there is a way to coexist" but instead we got the EXACT SAME LINES FROM EVERY OTHER ENDING. Huuuuge let down...the game was great otherwise, a bit lacking in the story department as almost any other main line entry excluding IV / IV A, but overall a great experience...but seeing the intended ending of the game...I dunno anymore...kinda tarnishes the entire experience for me. :/ Also, short meta-talk: I'm playing a game based around demons. All of them a nicely designed, have interesting lore taken from their real-life equivalents and are generally fun to fight with. *why the hell do you think I would like to pick an ending where I wipe all that from existence ATLUS* ???
The Law Order ending reminds me of Maruki's Reality Ending since people are brought back to life and everyone else is unaware of the happy reality they are living being fake. Persona 5 Royal players understand where I am coming from here. I prefer the Chaos ending, because it is all about free will, and having the right to choose. Challenges in life do not go away because there is no miracle to save you, but you have the power to save yourself and others through your actions. You are also not blindly following a reality of someone else's making.
i'd kinda want the reps to survive maybe at least until you killed lucifer, would be nice to have something like your connection to the reps from smt 4. I also think i'd have to choose chaos, would result in the best long run for humanity than the others
Wow I’m so glad I never ended up finishing the game for myself if I had gotten any of these ending I would have been stuck in a depressive episode for weeks 😓
I noticed that each ending on SMT V have big similarities of the other mainline games: V's Law is basically SMT II's Law Ending V's Chaos is SJ Redux's "New" Chaos Ending V's Neutral ending is Nocturne's "Demon" Ending (Not TDE, that one was added on Maniax ver, also Nahobino literally does Demifiend's Chaotic Will move) V's True Neutral is a mixture of both IV: Apocalypse endings, he lets humanity live but Nahobino still becomes a God, yet not losing his humanity, since he "separated" it from the God, a "Shin Kami Tensei" basically, Kami instead of Megami cuz he a dude lol.
Before I say my take about why I think you can make an argument for true neutral, I have to make something clear and I'm hoping people can clear things up if they can. If you just wanna skip to my defense of true neutral you can got the 2nd half. I'm not 100% sure of some things cause they are vague. Unfortunately they are critical details. For example, in the chaos route, anyone can be a nahobino, right? Isnt that what the chaos PM dude said? Doesnt that mean its always going to be the god that controls the person's personality? The MC is the only exception. We've seen this with Dazai and Yuzuru. Abidal and (however you spell his name) were in control. The most egregious example is when Lahmu controlled that chick. He used coercion on her and ultimately had no say in the matter. So will anyone really be able to have a say in being a nahobino let alone have control? That alone makes Chaos bad. If this is the correct understanding of these things. There are other issues too such as the normal neutral ending. Such as where humanity is mentioned fighting...how? I thought humanity was still in the fake world? Is that were humans went when it vanished? They went to Da'at? So many questions with not enough answers. It's like SMT 4 again. But enough. I'm gonna make a case for true neutral now and it's already gotten too long. I just wanted to address this. I believe after going through the endings, if you want a more permanent, and secure ending that has humanity and the worlds best interest at heart, it's the True Neutral ending. Now dont get me wrong. The most morally correct ending is normal neutral (as I understand it that is) as opposed to true neutral and law and chaos. Due to how there is no genocide of demons nor is there a myriad of gods that will inevitably cause this games conflict to happen again with people who wont actually have control as nahobino or how both law and chaos are atill antithetical to humanity since they still arent in control of their fate and probably the most important bit, there is no throne. In True Neutral there is an extremely small likelihood of things going bad compared to the other endings. YHWH is gone. Lucifer is gone. Like in the other endings yes, but the followers of both are gone. Rouge gods and demons are gone. Namely Shiva and Brahman are gone. There is no one to engage in any universal fuckery of any kind. It is regrettable that all demons are gone since there are genuinely good ones. But the powerful ones are simply too dangerous. The MC is gonna be benevolent and stay out of humanity's business. No one will have the power to realistically usurp the Nahobino. The chance to do so really seems non existent. And while all the endings barring normal neutral have info from Lucifer to stop the mandala system, those two endings unfortunately either have gods that absolutely wont have any chill or a single God that will enforce God's nonsensical beliefs among other issues. The neutral endings simply have more stability and freedom. Especially this one. Humans are very clearly happy here and deserve to be. Divinity nor powerful demonic forces have business bothering humanity. If people truly care about genuine freedom and believe sacrifice is necessary then tbh this ending is the most optimal. I say this as someone that thinks regular neutral is the most morally correct ending. And because I dont think enough people give this ending the credit it deserves. I think this is Atlus answer to people who always say neutral has no "viable" or permanent solution. Here it is in all its glory. The best solution to ending universal conflict once and for all. All in all SMT V may have bombed story and character wise. but these story beats, and concepts (other than DS 2) might be my favorite out of MT as a whole. Seriously if the story was given better care, this might be my favorite MT game. Hopefully you read all this and if you did thanks. Please discuss this if possible. Hell I'll do it even if its months later.
@@christopherbravo1813 What do you mean. YHWH is and has always been the bad guy in these games. This is one of the very few games where YHWH is seen as "good" or "agreeable". when he isnt hes too busy genociding people and demons. Even when he isnt doing those things hes just being an egomaniacal narcissist whose rules make no sense. Keep demons around but also fuck demons and engage in eternal universal conflict. Among other bizzare rules.
@@justinianthe1st790 true, but ultimately YHVH is among the least egregious versions of the One True God out there, and his actions do result in humanity's continued survival-except *maybe* in SMT 2 and Apocalypse?
@@christopherbravo1813 You say that but YHVH is always the instigator. SMT 1 Thor is an ambassador of him and nukes Japan and causes nuclear armageddon. SMT 3 he's like "lol pick between 3 bad worlds or dont" SMT 4 isnt even chill cause YHVH is revealed to have been especially bad in apocalypse. There really is no good version of YHVH except maybe in DS 1. But even then he's still kinda a high horse riding douche regarding cain and abel. IIRC He had a point when Cain killed Abel. But that's it. Making Cain remember forever is not exactly fair. He might have a point about it but it's still kinda cruel. However Cain needed to let go. But all the same, YHVH is (at best) helpful making other gods that arent helping or aligned to Lucifer not aholes with their own universal threatening fuckery.
@@justinianthe1st790 dont blame you for having these opinions. However, i question the Nahobino's survival rate after taking the True Neutral throne. Luci said it himself. Theyll always exist, youre just creating a world where they can no longer manifest, outside the effects of the Mandala System. I mean he needs Aogami to be a Nahobino i thought. Either way, i dont know how he can survive alone in the Throne Room, never truly interacting for all eternity.... so yeah, that kid will eventually die, and this shit will start all over. So True Neutral to me feels like a bandaid. Law or throne destruction feels the best. People keep equating Law to no free will. Its incorrect. What you were told is simply the angel mantra. Angels can think for themselves, they simply choose not too and base all their choices on their faith and actions on what they think is Gods will... even when he doesnt say shit. Just like any other religious zealot. So yeah. The ending basically says "Why think when you can just put your faith in god." None of that "duck yo free will bish"
The true ending is the neutral. The best ending is the 4th secret ending. But Its sad tho. All the demon who serves you until you reach your goal.... Fionn, amanozako especially Aogami erased their existence, Just like that. I wish they just split the world of Humans and demons. That no one can cross. I mean hes the creator now.
@@raccoonpesticides6083 yeah I was more attached to the demon characters than the humans in this one so it felt right siding with your friends who are still with you instead of holding on to the past. but from the perspective of someone with a deep sense of responsibility for the world that was before I can understand how demons 1. either must have no place in a created world or 2. be subject to the divine will. the law ending is not bad then, since you're extending god's miracle, nor is the 4th ending bad since you basically retconned yourself into becoming god but if I'm to self insert as this protagonist, I dislike all the humans I come across basically, except for miyazu and the people who are just chilling with the fairies. so the world seems to be fine the way it is, at least there in the village. and demons are chilling too, so it's a pretty satisfying conclusion. embrace da'at
All like how this time around the Chaos route is not just some bullshit about freedom = the strong will survive and screw the weak, but just the idea of freeing themselves from God so they can rule humanity as a collective.
Personally, I like the true neutral ending especially since the player character isn't acting like some weaker demon's errand boy. Though I wish the chaos ending explored the fairy village as a haven for the human survivors. I think that despite Aogami being god the protagonist has inherited YHVH's powers by defeating Lucifer but he still needs to watch his back when dealing with potential usurpers.
1:54 that is incorrect. In the first game, it was established that Lucifer was an extension of God. Lucifer represens all the flaws God despised on himself, and tried to get rid of (which is the equivalent to a spiritual lobotomy), which is the opposite of out growing them. Therefore, he's not a perfect being.
Because the protagonist is mute I felt left out of Yuzuru and Koshimizu’s friendship and conversations. It feels like they were just using me so I ended up siding with Dazai lol
I’ve come to the conclusion that the “law” ending is best. At least in the law ending, Nahobino (you, essentially) create the world however you want. In the neutral and true endings, all the good demons you’ve encountered up to now get erased and humans continues to quarrel with each other. Chaos ending has everyone filling their own religion and everyone kills each other for their beliefs, utter chaos. At least by becoming god yourself, you can prevent all of that and bring the world to as close to a state of harmony as possible.
It's based upon Gnostic Christian mythology, not the more well-known Catholic / Protestant mythology of Christianity that many people still believe in literally. The Gnostic YHVH, the Demiurge, is a capricious deity and the Serpent of Gnosticism wants to free humanity from tyranny to join a higher form of God.
Just finished SMT V on normal rn and i picked the neutral ending, and wow i loved this game, although i played P5 and P4G I consider this to be my first SMT game and I really enjoyed it! Im going to take a small break from the game and then do a NG+ on hard but I dont know if i want to start a new file or use my old one since my set up was bad and idk if i can move my skill points
Just all seems so underwhelming. I wanted to actually be shown what happens after taking/destroying the throne etc. Instead just same cutscene of MC walking forever afterwards. Chaos ending show Tokyo being recreated, gods powers restored, wars happening. Law ending, show God rezzed, angels continuning order of ruling, ending many demons. Neutral ending, show all gods, angels, demons being erased from existence, show the throne breaking. Theres like zero aftermath for any of these smh.
I really wished to see Abdiel and the blond guy reach the throne, just to make it "equal", choosing recreate new tokyo and making it them be the boss before the throne
All the endings felt kinda flat to me, nothing really changes no matter what ending u chose and none of them actually feel important to ur character. Especially the journey to the end the character u side with dies and u fight the same last boss in 3 of the endings.Also why do they keep making Lucifer all about freedom and God and angels dicks, it’s like they only read a single part of the Bible. There’s no nuance to it Lucifer good God bad wish they would change it up once in a while.
Ty for the video. I got the "chaos" ending and after seeing all the rest here, I can conclude that I don't think any ending is a good ending. It almost feels like we played in a universe that was doomed to have a sad ending no matter what you do. Definitely my least favorite smt to date, which is depressing 😩
The story is kinda meh and short, you could write all SMT5 plot in one page, even though it’s a 70h+ game. But oh man, this is such a fun game to play.
I went for the neutral ending, but there were some cutscenes that I did not receive like nuwa telling me her true plan and the other one before deciding to destroy the throne. Was there something I missed?
Just finished the game and the same thing happened to me. Nuwa dies alongside Yakamo and Tao/Goddess whatever-she-is disappears after that scene where you first make it to the Empyrean.
What SHOULD have been the hidden neutral ending: Nahobino: God... Gods... Humans... You don't get it. NONE of you get it. You all talk about following God, or restoring the pantheons of Gods, or making humanity stronger by rejecting the Gods, but it's all wrong. WE created THEM. Humans created the Gods by thinking them up. Prayer made them stronger. Now they rule over us, and what do we get out of it? That maybe they'll deign to not smite us because we weren't sufficiently faithful? I say no. The solution, the REAL solution, is to put things in the correct order. Humans shouldn't serve Gods; Gods should serve Humans! *THUS I CREATE THE FIFTH WORLD!* *I CREATE A WORLD OF MEN! AS!! GODS!!!*
"Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I am willing to make." - Nahobino in the neutral ending.
-Lord Farquad
Pretty Metal if you ask me.
And sometimes, that's how it is these days - Yukari.
No matter what ending I get, I always feel like I did something wrong
recent megaten have been pure existencialism dilemmas, is it wrong because a higher being told you so?, maybe freedon is not so great at the cost of someone else, or maybe just dont break the cycle, the status quo happened to be more reasonable...just enjoy the ride
Chaos is chaos
Law is law
Neutral is balance.
Hidden is just a world rid of demons. But just like lucifer said. They will continue to exist. However, they won't be able to enter that world so long as the protagonist lives
@@jackour8167 question is... without Aogami, hes no longer a Nahobino... so he cant be in charge of the throne... right? And he'd also have a mortals lifespan me thinks, unless the throne is a space where time doesnt move, so nor would he age.... but idk, without concrete answers. Its all hearsay
@@Prince_Smugarina *ignores the golden eyes the protagonist has at the end*
that's how it should be, I think. no ending should be better than the others.
It matters not who takes the throne.
*destroys the throne*
WHAT THE HELL MAN?!
He said TAKE the throne not DESTROY the throne lol
TAKE the thone not BREAK the throne
"MAN, YOU ONLY HAD ONE JOB!"
Don't worry SMT V Maniax Redux Deep Journey is coming with new endings, extended endings for exiting ones and probably an extra dungeon filled with new gods.
And a Canon Waifu who will came with the objectively good route
to me it felt like the dungeon factor was very lackluster in this game, so would love dlcs or redux with more dungeons
@@fly8414 i just want better story and at least 3 New routes + New endings (like SJR) so it justify me paying 30$ (not the coin in my country but it's the same) again
Do you have an idea of when that will be? Also, is it some sort of DLC or a rerelease of the game (like mk8 delux, persona 5 royal and FF VII Remake)?
Ah yes, SMT:V:MRDJ, or Persona 5: Heartless: 2.
*Monotheistic(/Law) Ending*
Nahobino: I side with Dazai. I will put everyone back into the matrix like god intended.
Dazai: Ouchie ouch. I am dead.
Nahobino: You gotta be kidding me.
Atsuta: Try and get past me. This isn't even my final form!
(1 battle later)
N-Tsukuyomi: Ouchie ouch.
Yakumo: I side with humanity, but I will turn into a giant snake thing because that totally makes sense.
(1 battle later)
N-Nuwa: Ouchie ouch.
Nahobino: Well that was dumb. Oh hey look the throne. I am now the new [YHVH]. Time to put everyone back into the matrix I guess.
Narrator: And so everyone was put into the matrix like nothing happened. The end.
*Polytheistic(/Chaos) Ending*
Nahobino: I side with Atsuta. I will put humanity in the hands of other gods.
Atsuta: Ouchie ouch. I am dead.
Nahobino: You gotta be kidding me.
Dazai: Try and get past me. This isn't even my final form! (Transforms into bull centaur with boobs)
Nahobino: What the hell?
(1 battle later)
N-Abdiel: Ouchie ouch.
Yakumo: I side with humanity, but I will turn into a giant snake thing because that totally makes sense.
(1 battle later)
N-Nuwa: Ouchie ouch.
Nahobino: Well that was dumb. Oh hey look the throne. Time to put humanity in the hands of other gods. I'm sure nothing chaotic will happen.
Narrator: And so every other god that isn't [YHVH] held a grip on humanity. Disagreements led to chaos. The end.
*Atheist(/Neutral?/Anarchy?) Ending*
Nahobino: I side with Yakumo. Time to destroy the throne.
Yakumo: Ouchie ouch. I have no more energy to destroy the throne.
Nahobino: God dammit.
(2 Bosses Later)
Nahobino: Oh hey look the throne. Time to destroy it.
Tao: Please don't destroy the throne.
Nahobino: I will destroy the throne.
Amitabha: Please don't destroy the throne.
Nahobino: Ok just let me take the throne. I will totally not destroy it.
Amitabha: [Ok, I believe you!]
(BOOM!)
Nahobino: (smirk!) Anarchy Reigns. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Amitabha: What have you done?
Narrator: And so anarchy reigned. Humanity was able to stand on its feet against the demons or something. The end.
*True Ending*
Nahobino: I did a bunch of side quests. Including this cool one with Khonsu. I side with Yakumo I guess.
Yakumo: Ouchie ouch. I have no more energy to destroy the throne.
Nahobino: God dammit.
Nuwa: By the way, you can now go through with our original plan I guess. This also has nothing to do with that cool side quest you did with Khonsu but was required for me to tell you anyway.
Nahobino: That is not very epic.
(2 Bosses Later)
Nahobino: Oh hey look the throne. Time to destroy it I guess.
Tao: Please don't destroy the throne.
Nahobino: Why not?
Tao: You can create your own world and make that side quest you did with Khonsu worth it.
Nahobino: [Ok, I believe you!] Time to recreate the world. What the?
Lucifer: Hello there. If you try to recreate the world without demons, they will just come back, but if you kill me then you can probably break the mandala cycle and separate your world from demons. Maybe.
Nahobino: Sure why not.
(Freikugel/Divine Arrowfall BOOM!)
Lucifer: You have done well. I am now dead. [AAAAAAAAAAAA--]
Protag: Time to recreate the world.
Aogami: This is goodbye.
Protag: The world is recreated. It doesn't look too different, but because there's another me running around, I broke the cycle I guess. Also I have golden eyes because I am god or something. The end.
not funny didn't laugh
I smell pancakes...
I love nutshells
Thus deserves more than 20 likes.
SMT3 Lucifer: _"Rise Demi-Fiend and together we will fight our true adversary."_
SMT5 Lucifer: _"Kill me."_
I know right??? It makes me Feel that the SMT3 is useless.
It fits though. Lucifer wanted true change from the world. And after letting Chaos ensue, he gained the knowledge he sought, the truth he wanted to pursue for true change.
I love how Nahobino Abdiel and Nahobino Nuwa are gigantic and then theres Nahobino Tsukuyomi being human sized.
Yes somehow, Tsukuyomi has the coolest design (imo)
@@Raindrop_2401 100% agree tho
Yeah, Tsukuyomi is Aogami(Susanoo)'s brother, so their forms are similar.
human sized seems to be stronger
SMT 3 had True Demon Ending and now finally SMT 5 brought us the True Human Ending
Now we need the true god ending to balance it out
@@Yohan99999 4A technically did that. Much as many might want to forget 4A as a fever dream
@@FennelRPG A lot of older fans don't like IVA for the "friendship is power" trope that IVA incorporated into it's story, which made it seem out of place for your usual SMT Game.
I very much enjoy every game of the series, despite the flaws that each game has, but every game will have those issues, considering none is perfect.
IVA shoehorned YHVH in so quickly, rushing it with no buildup at the very end, but the characters were fleshed out and the story was fun, but not like the usual dread and atmosphere of previous games.
SMT V has its flaws for sure, but it's still a beautiful game with an interesting story concept, but it's characters deserved to have more weight to help carry the story, and some minor pacing issues leading up to the demon kings castle.
SMT V had a lot of re-writes through development, the original writer also left during it as well, so I'm hoping if a new version ever comes, there are improvements that correct its flaws.
All and all, each game is enjoyable, regardless of the flaws that people say.
@@FennelRPG I believe they can definitely make a vast change with V, despite it's shortcomings and pacing, I absolutely love it.
The anticipation and hype that lead up to SMT V releasing, is something I'll never forget, the beginning trailers really seemed quite different too.
The very first reveal, it looked very MC/Heroine focused, but there were some re-writes that were going on during development, so we ended up with the final product.
It may be a divide among fans when it comes to certain SMT games, but I just say play what you love, and gush about it all you want, every game has some unique charm to it
Crossing my fingers for a maniax/expansion to SMT V that maybe offers cut content, or a different story approach from older writing, during the 30th anniversary. 🙏
And in smt v vengeance we have M A S T E M A
I wish there was a Nahobino ending, an ending where demons and humans go back to their original form. Our Nahibino fusing with the throne would stop another Bethel from rising and so it would be a perfect mix of Law and Chaos ending.
Dont worry. It will apear in SMTV Deep Golden Redux The Royal
the neutral ending is kinda like this (the one where you don't kill lucifer) many humans will die but some will become nahobino
@@bemersonbakebarmen Deep Golden Redux The Royal Fes Portable Full Body edition (featuring Dante from DMC)*
That's the ending featuring those characters who are obsessed with saving Tokyo, right? Demons and humans living together, all demons, all religions going brrrrr, so you have potential nahobinos everywhere and etc That's pretty much the chaos ending with extra steps
That's just the Chaos ending
Fun fact, in the very last scene of the Neutral + ending, the person says " Only the cosmos knows what tomorrow will bring" in Japanese, French and Italian he says "Only The Great Will know the knows the future"
YHVH: Yeah I see that*insert unholy word*
More than YHVH I think the great will he is talking is the Axion the entity who created the amala network, the entity that Steven met and also the one above YHVH
@@regular_pizza This "Axion" ever showed up in the franchise? I did played SMT4 and Apocalypse, Steven has significant screen time... but the final FINAL thing, naah, it never shows up. YHVH is the finals boss with his automaton angels... by the way, it's funny how SMT4 vilified the jewish religion, the monotheistic religion with the egotistical God, which is not far from the source of their mythos, God in the bible is pretty much a tyrant. But anyway, I was curious to see how Atlus depicts this higher being who even controls God and etc
@@RRRRRRRRR33 if I remember correctly he talks about it in the messiahs dlc, I know story bits behind dlc sucks but at lists it’s a cool dlc
@@regular_pizza It's the one were Steven stands up and that is supposed to be a super boss fight? I've only seen images about it, I played that game for so long, I was sick and tired of it, I didn't played this DLC. But it seems the closest we got to what is behind this "mandala system", that is Steven and his story bits
Ichiro Dazai is wearing a hat that says "sucker" and a hoodie that says "danger". It feels like the devs are saying that Law is worst ending
Also when dazai decides to take off his hat and becomes crazy immediately after for no apparent reason
@@kertchu That's what happens when you take off your hat after wearing it as a fundamental part of your character
Also, Dazai looks like dasai, that's means sucker or not cool in Japanese.
i think law was still a good ending. u being in charge
@@thelel6591 that the worst ending
So in the end Lucifer was the true chad, willingly sacrificing himself to free the world. Just what my church always warned video games were about
Me to the Church, it’s a work of fiction and not heresy. Cease thy actions
I'm fairly new to SMT, but I still think it's weird that your recruited allies would still fight for you when your ideals are to rid them from existence.
I remember in Nocturne, Chiaki says somehing like: all you need is your own power, or something, and i was like: i would have been dead ages ago without my demons lmao
The demons follow you cause they see your power as true thus why they still follow you despite your interest conflict with their belief
@@yemboy123 Sure, I can see that making sense if they simply had to tolerate your ideals. But in this case they are also fighting for their own doom. Which is kinda messed up.
@@davidhernando353 I was talking about the recruited demons in your party, not your friends turned enemies.
@@swellsauceFourNumbers I mean you can always just delete all the demons in your party and go solo to be thematically accurate.
I find it funny that these chumps die in the cutscenes simply by being blown away from the other guy's aura
At least in Tsukuyomi's case they looked weakened at that point.
We better get DLC where we do take Aogami's hand and share a penthouse together in the new world!
And it would be the actual canon ending
plz yes.
Young man, *I’m detecting a powerful demon-*
Then Aogami better get a new VA. Damen Mills just got caught doing... awful things to a 15 year old boy.
@@Green-Raccoon777 actually, they came out saying ot was all fake.
I wish there was a "fairy village ending". An ending in which demons and humans learn to live together. Not that this would've solved all problems and be a perfect ending (smt never really has perfect endings anyways), but I think this could've been a nice alternative for the secret ending with Miyazu and Khonsu as the key figures.
Plus, demons and humans living together may not be the happy ending it will seem to be. Some demons may be too capricious for humans to live with. Some noble demons may become disgusted by humanity’s worst and stop defending them. Some humans may note it’s strange they have to live with demons like Moloch or Surt, and many demons not as obviously horrible or destructive may be put off by the humans all too willing to discriminate. Some demons are inherently harmful to humans like Succubus. Some creatures hew so far from human morality they will do damage no matter what is good by their philosophy or not.
In fact, it could itself lead into another conflict. Law would regulate demons’ efforts since that Millennium Kingdom YHVH wants is gone. Chaos would be humans and demons again in their own world following their own desires but they’re separate so it’s more alienating that usual. Neutral would be like demon and human nations. Some places are fine for humans and demons, some are human only, some are demon only. Furthermore, they define themselves by how willing they are to accept demons or prioritize humans or demons or both, and the reasons for their national ideologies.
This might be too human-focused but it could be cool to see SMT’s Law/Chaos/Neutral system filtered through a human lens, but under a lens where demons are still affected. It could even be something like SMT3’s or SMT4’s endings which don’t align nicely to those endings.
Miyazu and Khonsu were for sure supposed to be reps of some kind. The game certainly seems like some content was cut. I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-release from Atlus down the line honestly, à-la royal/redux/golden
True, I think the Khonsu/Miyazu "route" could've been explored further
@@iantaakalla8180 1. You're right. Then it's humanity's fault for being so disgusting.
2. Like with that Lilim side quest, I'm not banking on her morality. I'm banking on her intelligence. It's like in Vampire the Masquerade, where, barring extenuating circumstances, you try not to fatal feed.
3. LOL, human morality. What's that based on? Sounds like another spook to me.
@@Mene0 I like to think that Miyazu could have been a 'Light' rep (I don't think they really pay attention to the Light and Dark axis but still) or the Female co-protagonist (similar to how SMT 1 has two protags).
I will keep it in my mind that maybe logistical issues might have happened here and there.
Chaos best ending. I don't get how True Neutral can be "optimal" when you're forced to do side quests showing the good side of demons to be able to unlock it in the first place.
Too bad Yuzuru gets zero screen time.
@@FentyMixx could've easily made Miyazu a part of his reason too but the game is too busy shoving over the top Ichiro into everyone's faces
And besides it impossible, the reason demons and gods exist is because we imagine them, we believe in them, well I guess since IV and Apocalypse had chaos and law endings that where clearly wrong they decided to make V with the neutral ending kind wrong or impossible
@@vincenzopaollogrieco9385 if that were the case, the sheer amount of belief would cause God to respawn immediately after being killed by Lucifer, assuming the snake was truthful about his triumph.
@@christopherbravo1813 it takes time but that the reason YHWH always comes back, is because of that also YHWH is not even the biggest thing in this universe since he was created by human though, there something above by a character named Stephen and the Axiom
You know, it would have been cool if the humans halves of the nahobino talked to you once you beaten them, just like Walter and Jonathan did in IV once you defeat Merkabah of Lucifer, seeing them just gone like that doesn't realy makes you values the ideals at all
They should have been the ones to explain the endings, not Amitabha.
Similar to how Jonathan for example explains the law ending for IV.
This game, despite the several massive flaws in the story I genuinely think the law/chaos/neutral dynamics are better than they are in any numbered SMT game. As in, the law faction, at no point in the story, commits genocide, the chaos faction wouldn't be considered childish by a five year old, and neutral isn't a bunch of uwu enlightened centrist goody-goodies and the right choice by every metric. I still think the mere existence of the true ending devalues those dynamics but all the same, it's a major step up in the series' writing. If they actually bothered to develop any characters other than Dazai during the story, I would have no reservations in calling this one of the best games ever.
Yeah, the story felt lackluster mainly bc of the characters. They needed more screen time and time together
what are some of the massive flaws. i just finished it and absolutely loved it. going in i was expecting to be disappointed based on what everyone was saying
@@PenguinsAreColdish basically what the other guy said. The main method of storytelling is, every few hours, having a character vomit their motivations at you for a few sentences, then leave. Yakumo will just go "I hate demons" or Yuzuru will say "I wanna protect Tokyo" and that's the majority of the writing. This doesn't apply to all of the cast. Two don't even get that much. Miyazu is relegated to a god damn side quest and even that isn't really much. And Tao is either one of two things. She is A) sad about Sahori or B) just a fuckin robot to facilitate your ascension to godhood. The exceptions are Koshimizu, who benefits from the sparse writing, and Abdiel and Dazai, who actually have character arcs. Also Lucifer just pulling the Mandala cycle out of his ass to add some extra spice to the true ending is BS and fails.
Let be honest atlus fooled you all here the neutral ending was the chaos one and the chaos one was netural
The kind of ending I wish for is one of a mix, where humans, gods and demons could co exist. With the Nahobino on the throne and with more Nahobino being born with demons/gods finding their human partners. Plus with the revived Sahori and Tao
I think the closest to that might be Chaos; despite the rough start that the world would be in due to the crazy conflicts of the myriad gods, not only do the gods, demons, and people have the freedom to make their own choices (for better or worse), but let's not forget that MC also has the freedom to make his own choices about who he wants to resurrect, how he wants to protect everyone (including humans who won't be able to defend themselves from gods or demons), and how the world can be managed and/or governed for the sake of progress. Plus, it's implied that, compared to the neutral endings and Law, this is a world with infinite potential and endless possibilities, so in the long run, there's at least a chance for the best possible outcome (which I would say could even include permanently breaking away from the Mandala System). I'm sure others might disagree, but that's my take.
EDIT: Law MIGHT work this way, as well? Now that I think about it, the Law ending doesn't say that humans, gods, and demons can't coexist. It's just that 1) no one will ever know that you recreated the world so that they'd live peacefully and 2) they'll have to show respect to you. I'd be lenient about how much they show so long as it doesn't go against the peace I wanted to maintain. Free will is still around for those who value it, but it's optional, and for people like Dazai who were too insecure or too weak to pick themselves up, they still have you to fall back on by putting their faith in you as their God.
Closest you could get to this is SMTIV:A's "Bonds" ending, which seems like a very happy go lucky typical JRPG ending, but without the throne and finding human partners bit.
That is EXACTLY what I wanted to do in both SMT3 and this game. Maybe if SMTVI is ever a thing, we could get an ending like that.
In fact I liked this idea so much that I've pretty much headcanoned this ending for both of those games.
I actually really liked true neutral ending. I was sticking with the same demons throughout the game powering up as I go and for me to basically sacrifice them all (especially Aogami and Mermaid) it was pretty bittersweet.
Same. I really liked the tone of how it ended. Especially after learning, that the Great Will was mentioned in Japanese version. This brings a lot of fun fantasies.
People don't like the true neutral ending because they are used to the moderate "coexist with demons" versions of neutrality they have gotten in other SMT games. One of the core themes of SMT5 is sacrifice. If you truly want to uphold your ideal of humanity before all in neutral, you need to sacrifice all demons for it. SMT5s true neutral ending is what I've wanted from a neutral ending for such a long time now.
What if I don't value humanity above all? Sanctified human exceptionalism is just another spook.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Then you're a traitor to your own species. Plenty of smt endings where you basically forsake humanity.
@@Saintly_SG I'm a bit like Aogami, then. Funny how that's only "bad" when it's from a human. It's apparently "good" whenever _another_ species betrays their own for humanity. Valuing humanity is just taking humanity as the "new god". Saying how great humanity is while calling for a world with no gods is hypocritical delusion.
@@DarkAdonisVyers the point of a humanity first ending is that humanity doesnt need a God or demon to guide it. I never said humanity is great. I said that humanity has the right to self determination. Its giving humanity a choice and a chance. You're twisting it into worship of humanity. I believe in that concept and you dont. That's okay, that's why there is multiple endings
@@av8r195 "it's genocide lol" Yes, it is. So what, you are playing a game where you literally build your character to enforce your ideal. So what if you "befriend" them, the main priority of smt games is always the ideal that you want to uphold in the end. Furthermore, its a roleplaying game. Maybe you befriended demons but I valued my ideal over "bonds of friendship" (which btw, aogami literally said that he would do the same thing cause he is essentially you.)
The ending doesn't make sense to YOU because YOU cannot fathom prioritizing your ideal and sacrificing it all for what you believe in.
Yes killing all demons for the sake of my ideal is something I'm absolutely willing to do, which is why I did it :D!
What is the other solution then, people always want to find the most moderate ending. This is especially strange for a series like smt, which is built on the concept that everything requires sacrifice. Are you saying that there was another solution besides killing Walter and Jonathan for the neutral route in SMT4? Are you saying that there was another way to get the freedom ending in SMT3 without killing your friends who now stood in your way?
In SMT games, you either uphold your ideal, or you get eliminated by people who want to assert their ideal. That's just how it is.
The alignments seems a bit out of whack in this one. Sure, having gods and demons in the world sounds chaotic but, technically, they've always been there, just not so involved and running around the place. And people thinking for themselves is a neutral thing not chaos; even some people struggling because they don't have drive or ambition sounds like a neutral thing as people are like that without gods and demons anyway.
Regular neutral makes no sense because you damn humanity to just deal with the world as it is: desolate, barren, and broken with hostile forces everywhere. How is that neutral in any way??? Like, you may as well have not done anything at all the whole time and just wandered aimlessly; it would have had the same result. True Neutral and Law are the only two that make sense for what they say they are.
that why i don't understand about alignment. does atlus already confirmed that yuzuru is chaos ending and blah blah. i feel like its appropriate to call its by its name. like amutsukami ending, yakumo ending, abdiel ending, and the last is MC ending.
Or based on the systems of rule: Monarchy, Democracy, Anarchy, and...whatever the MC ending could be classified as.
They are Law, Chaos and Neutral in the view of the devs. Hahahahaha
It's kind of lame that in each ending they all literally destroy eachother but realistically yakumo would wipe the floor with them.
How do you figure? Dudes a clown in Raido cosplay. Not that Abdiel was more imposing, but at least she was higher level?
@@MisterMelvinheimer I mean the dudes a straight up human eliminating everything, not comparing him to our Lil femboy but I just find his strength to be on a higher level considering he dies when the boss aren't even using their nahobino form, and if they all have a nahobino form they just don't use it because of pure plot. But statistically wise I just think he's stronger then the rest of the side characters.
@@JONtheULTIMATE Yakumo is stronger than most characters but still would and does absolutely get shit on without his wife Nuwa always slithering around him.
@@JONtheULTIMATE He's not human he's a Meta-Human. It's a bit obscure but it's a thing in the lore. You could consider post transformation Chiaki and Isamu that too
@@vanilla8956 ah yes I forgot.
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These spiritually journeys take deep thoughts and understanding within yourself. To me, both Law and True Neutral Endings are a good fit for me as I would choose these two, mostly Law Ending. Thank you for the effort you gave.
Nuetral to Chaotic for me.
I’m stuck between Law and Chaos. I’ve got no idea sa to which one to choose… The neutral endings simply don’t seem appealing to me. Funny how the two endings I may choose oppose each other.
Now, the question remains : what does that say about me as an individual ?
@@Fallen_2003 you're extreme (no offence), preferring one way or the other, i.e. Cold or Hot water, not lukewarm. Or, you're displeased with Neutral more than wanting an ending.
@@bennett_director6649 sounds exactly like me
I honestly wish we got more of Dazai and Yuzuru arguing like in the Law Ending, it would’ve been really cool
Oh man, I hated those characters so much, specially Dazai... wtf is this character... didn't played many megaten games, thus far I finished P4, P5, SMT4, SMT Apocalypse and now SMTV... and hell, this Dazai is the worst Atlus character I've ever seen
@@RRRRRRRRR33 yeah fr, i openly laughed at the scene where he rolled back his hair. So cringy
Thank you for making this - I’m having too much fun with the game itself to care about the ending
Damn, I haven't progressed in the story...
It would be a shame if I was fusing more demons for 5 more hours
Ditto.
I admit that yeah, i think SMT V's plot is rather weak, especially because all the trailers made it seem like it was this big story anc character driven game and the actual result is "Ehh........'.
But you know what?
The game is total blast to play and is one of the most refined entries so far so i can forgive it.
@@JackFrostAegirine don't really know spoilers from this game or how this story progresses. But IF the story really is mediocre then I would be kinda dissapointed, bc I haven't seen any SMT game this advertised
@@JackFrostAegirine Btw, yeah I know it is ironic saying I don't know how the story goes coming from a video with how the story concludes. But I haven't seen the video, just checked some comments
@@JackFrostAegirine
What was strong about any of the plots of smt? This is honestly a well written and is nit meant to be a super narrative world builder. It’s not snt IV which in some ways was overwritten and convoluted to some. This is why it is better. The philosophies involved while being similar to bloodborne was enough. The lore clues, quests are all adding to the story. The same people talking about story must not have been longtime smt fans because IV is not that deep either lol.
Literally just finished the game minutes ago: I figured I'd choose to break the cycle of wars and bullshit by destroying the throne, but yet somehow, I feel like I did something seriously wrong.
I don't think I can choose the "True Human" ending. It just feels wrong to erase all angels and demons from existance like this.
All the endings feel like that, that's smt for you
Isn't Lucifer kind of the secret hero of the game? He wanted you to kill him so that the world would stay how you make it, and not be taken over by demons again.
Nahobino: all those demons gods deities others nahobino whats next?
Demifiend: knock knock
Although the Chaos ending should seem like a “bad” ending, it really isn’t for me. I like the Chaos ending because it seems to mimic how the real world actually works. There’s always going to be conflict, but things can work out when people work together. I would also rather choose for myself rather than be chosen for.
And how's that working out ? People working together?
@@EmblemSnake most of the time it works out
There is no "bad ending"
Pretty much. You have both demons and humans as well.
@@EmblemSnake If it were impossible, us humans would NOT have survived as long as we have.
You know, I just realised something. In the true ending where there are no gods and demons, doesn’t that mean that the Nahobino killed characters like the Demi-fiend, Nocturne Pixie and other fan favourite gods and demons?
No li ha solamente isolati loro non possono interagire con il mondo umano ne gli umani con loro
@@massimilianoreali4398 oh, alright then. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
I pick the Law route just so I could be the opposite to Demi-Fiend. If he is darkness and chaos, I will be the light and order.
Hope you regret your choice.
Damn. Hope theres an SMT V Maniax edition. I was really hoping for a 3D Smt with a long story like IV.
Nice profile picture.
Brother.
Hi there. I'm from the future. We're getting SMT V Vengeance.
@@jamesdigennaro6705 Excellent
I think Chaos and neutral swapped.
I mean even in neutral they said that THE WORLD WILL REMAIN ON CHAOS AND THERE WILL BE NO RULER.
Wth is more chaotic than that.
And in chaos ending you want gods and demons to live together with humanity in peace?
Hmm...
Law: Use Throne, choose order.
Chaos: Use Throne, choose freedom.
Neutral: Use Throne, make choice of neither.
Also Neutral: Break Throne, make no choice.
Destroy the Throne is the literal sense of neutrality to the issue. You just don't give a shit, and apply a sledgehammer. Chaos has a genuine theology and goal in SMT. Neutral bad ending isn't new. :)
No? Chaos already foreshadowed that gods will inevitably at war for power while Neutral already favor human's victory and freedom from god and demon.
That ending where there are two protagonists and the yellow-eyed one is sitting on the seat… I went to go and see the cutscene at the beginning of the game that showed the same scene and there is a moment when it just shows a shot of an empty seat while people pass by.
Always thought that was a weird, pointless shot. Now I think there was someone sitting there, but they couldn’t be seen. Would also explain why people were being killed by “animals” but no one ever saw the attacks.
But now, I’m wondering… was the yellow-eyed protagonist the one sitting in the empty seat at the beginning? Does that mean that the “true” ending is a time loop or something? Or is it similar to the situation with the fake Tokyo and everything was recreated? I don’t know but it’s something to think about.
I don't think that is a recreation, because the protagonist supposedly created a brand new universe that have no Gods or demons. So, I think that scene is more a allusion to the "mandala system" mentioned by Lucifer, in this SMT franchise there is a entity that is even beyond God (the jewish monotheistic God that created the automaton angels, etc) and Lucifer and all that crap, this entity rules the "mandala system", etc.. so the cycle continues in that scene, the protagonist was able to create a "clean slate", but not so clean because the mandala remains. And that kinda works inline with shinto budhism, they believe on the infinite cycles and etc.. so, considering we are talking about a 1000% japanese game lol it's no surprise the Atlus writers used their own cultural background as inspiration, even if a "western" God is usually at the top (as a villain, mind you), in the end the eternal cycle is what dictates the real rules
V's endings, except for true neutral, feels like a step back to IV's or even Apocalypse endings
only 25 new demons too, all others are reused assets from persona 5. 5 years of wait for this
@UCBkb3WfqbTEcxJ7gYgVToYg you sound like an entitled child, chill out. They reused the same assets and artwork in most SMT games for the better half of nearly a decade and a half (if not MORE if you count how many designs and whatnot were initially used on the Saturn) nobody every batted an eye or felt like they were being cheated by Atlus. I for one am thankful we even got a mainline SMT game expecting most of my adulthood to be filled with Persona 4 spin-offs and ports
@@Shimapanacea 5 years to get reused assets and worse story then any other smt games. 5 years to only get 25 new demons, do you comprehend that? They will keep cutting corners every game to maximize profits and it will only get worse when kids like you keep swallowing it whole.
Grow up, they are a business and its purpose is making money
@@electronicraisin5956 Except that new demons and story aren't all there is to this game. 25 new demons isn't optimal but still pretty good imo and yeah the story wasn't the best but I think that just the improvements to general gameplay justify the wait
@@electronicraisin5956 i do think there has been some substantial improvement with SMT 5. The exploration, combat, progression, animations, and environment & art design is quintessential. You can tell there was effort and passion put into this game. It didn't matter to me that the game was lacking demons even if I was noticable (Ardha, Saturnus, maybe even Cthulhu Mythos demons like Hastur etc) because the bad story took more attention.
It makes me hopeful that if they managed to get down the gameplay design with this game then upon looking at feedback they will go back to the drawing board and improve the story for the next mainline game... i hope anyway.
this sounds like the setup of them adding eldritch beings, the system is gonna trouble shoot this problem and send in the grotesque anti-virus program to do the job.
So basically the plot of devil survivor 2
This is still better compared to how much Nocturne reused assets. Aside from the TDE, nearly all the routes looked identical.
Damn... That true ending dude just ended up alone... Forever.
Feeling like Strange Journey Redux out here.
@@ChipnDipz1 Yet he doesn't have anyone with him, SJ protagonist has at least Arthur but V's protag is truly alone, unable to return to a normal life
This game had good gameplay and promising plot but the characterization and execution of the plot left much to be desired. We barely get to know the humans, Aogami is basically an AI that follows the mc and the bosses just jump out at random with no rhyme or reason for showing up when they do. I’d give it a 7.5/10.
I don't think I can choose the "True Human" ending. It just feels wrong to erase all angels and demons from existance like this.
and aogami isnt with us :(
Watching this, reading up on the lore, I have come to a conclusion. As far as SMT alignments are concerned, I'm a Chaos type of person.
why is that?
same
Same but law do sometimes be hittin' tho
I vary from game to game. In this game I don’t really like the neutral endings but enjoy law and chaos a fair bit
@@sock312 understandable.
....wait, which chaos endings are you referring to? aren't there two or three?
So are we gpnna talk about how Abdiel in that first clip looks like Sparda's demon form in DMC?
Wish the endings had official names so we didn't have to call them Law, Chaos, Neutral and True Neutral, because they're kind of all anything but that.
In the "law" route our means to an end have us completely subverting the law of God before going on to elimate human Knowledge as well as free will and original sin.
In the "chaos" route we end up upholding the laws of godhood and embracing the limitless potential of the world at large. Tokyo is presumably saved and not a lot changes for mankind given that people have always gone to war over their gods anyway.
In the "neutral" route we embrace literal social darwinism to such a degree that I'm sure we'd be making Jiminez proud, and in the "true neutral" route we suddenly betray all of our demon friends we made along the way for... no justifiable reason at all?
Wheres my ending where i chill with all my demon buddies that helped me througout the game? WHERE.
I feel as though I’ve done something wrong no matter what ending I get…
I swear me too, but I'm happy with my choice.
Like there's no perfect world eh?
Welcome to smt.
First time?
same.
I got the true ending by only doing the shiva subquest which was weird since many walkthroughs and websites state it requires several subquests and stuff, suprised me that it only needs one optional battle to unlock that (in that run I only had 3 subquests done total, shiva fight, maria in her nature godess fight and hu pao where she became your navigator).
Hu Pao? Do you mean the Amanozako sidequest?
@@joshua7015 no, I meant Hua Po, forgot the exact name there
I know she went through the big change and all, but I still find it slightly amusing that literally none of the alignment representatives point out Tao when she’s with the protagonist ajdjjf
Unless I missed something, but the thought-
The Mandala System... that sounds like something out of Lovecraft. Wonder if SMTV is setting up for something even bigger.
It’s been in place since 3 though. Universes live, die, become a Vortex World of demons, and be reborn by a Reason.
@@haihuynh8772 inb4 Nyarlathotep is revealed to be the Great Will
@@haihuynh8772 I think the point is that everytime we seek a definitive resolution, space and time prove to be even bigger than we thought, discovering cycles within cycles, wondering when will the final frontier be achieved.
That or that the cash cow must keep lactating until it no longer can
It's a Hindu and Buddhist concept
It's the cycle of creation and destruction
Solid game but not gonna lie, none of these endings hit for me and all felt like differing levels of mid. They honestly just made me want an ending where the throne is ours and we leave to go mess around with Amanozako and Tao or somethin.
Edit: I realized why these endings don't feel right for me, and it's cuz aside from the story feeling somewhat bare bones the story it tried to tell absolutely doesn't work with a self insert silent protag. Older games had side characters and bigger focuses on story to better help mask it but since this one has MC alone for almost all of the game that silent mc shit starts to fuck with the story. Because the mc is stone faced for the entire game it just feels like he's goin with the Flow and doesn't care either way as he shows zero attachment to anything. That shit don't work in a game about killing your way to the top of all gods in order to change the universe to your whims. In a story like that an actual character with depth is needed to push the alignment choices so the endings actually work. Nahobino feels too much like Joker since aside from his drip he's cardboard as fuck but it's worse cuz theres no one to guide the story around him and push him to keep going (outside of hype beast Tao but it's almost all towards the end), so he ends up just feeling aimless until a new set of orders from Bethel come in, or you hit the alignment lock and just follow whoever is in that alignments orders until the game ends.
SMTV post-ending where it's a Sim City simulator.
aggred, atleast in 4/A you got the MC that has expression lol, esp Appo MC, god I like his smirk.
Here Nahobino just '__'
almos the entire cutscene lmao. Only one time he smirks was in the chaos ending iirc
Totally agree. Honestly the story in this game is so weak I'm shocked it was green-lit to release like this. It doesn't feel like there were any writers who cared, so they just shoved in generic dialogue and made some ham-fisted endings to try and wrap it up.
A stone-faced protagonist with one dimensional, narrow-sighted side-characters, and 15-20 hours between story-snippets is a tragically bad mix, and the combat system alone can't salvage the game. I felt as emotionally detached as the protag looks to be throughout the game.
You can recreate the whole world to be ANYTHING. Limitless possibilities, but the Protag (and writers) lack vision, so this is what we get.
So it took me awhile to finally sit down and play this game. Was so excited for it when it came out and then life happens. I go neutral all the way, until I get to the end so I can get the true neutral ending and it made me want to cry. One because your life was torn apart, you befriend demons and Aogami is the nicest person. To save humanity all gods and demons have to perish. I just don’t see this as the best scenario. I mean if you destroy the throne humanity keeps fighting the good fight. Sad part of that one is, you get to watch it all happening from afar. I honestly have to say all the endings are not that great. Why couldn’t we have had an ending where we all coexisted. I still love the game. Just wished it would have ended differently.
Well now that an updated version has been announced maybe things will be better
Hidden ending and the neutral endings are the best for me
Just got hidden 5 minutes ago. Felt kinda sad effectively betraying the one guy who always stuck with you.
I think that’s why out of all the endings Neutral is my personal favorite. Sure we up and pretty much step away from the conflict but we see humanity survive and win and no one could ideally control mankind now that the throne is in shambles.
@@doomkrieg3817 id say a to each their own in that regard. I mean without God, is there even a heaven? Without that throne... are we to simply suffer through countless hardship until he eventually expire and nothing more?
@@Prince_Smugarina That is a fair enough point. I guess it all has to do with perspectives and personal life experiences which lead to such decisions ultimately. In some cases knowing that there is one afterlife is great. Having the option of many afterlives depending on your religious outlook could be great as well. But what if said god or gods were actually twisted amalgamations that desired nothing for mankind and left them abandoned anyways? There are many ways things such as this can ideally twist and turn in the idea of religion, relationships, war, etc. Always did find it interesting the ways it shapes a person or what aspirations and hopes along with fears it can quantify as everyone has a different take on each side.
@@Prince_Smugarina There's no "Heaven" afterlife in MegaTen. Once you die, your soul reincarnates.
Everyone dies in the game no matter what you choose, except nuwa for one of the ending sheeeesh. Smtv whyyyyy.
You know if they raise the Max lv in DLC, they could have a new Nahobino Shiva as the newest super boss
oh god, I would probably have to change my difficulty to safety just to survive that lmao
@@FlaccidPancake lol Yeah, or worse a Nahobino gang of Shiva, Zeus, and Odin
Demiurge True Final Boss, who could be perfect as the antagonist in this game
But where is the option to create a world with no demons, gods, or humans? All three of them sound like more trouble than they're worth.
Calm down, Nachtu.
that's called ff7
Doesn't the Chaos ending also have a part where the guy goes
"The reign of the Myriad gods is close at hand!"
Instead of "The order of God shall be presserved"
You are right. I just beat the game and got the chaos ending lol
How is remaking the world and saving Tokyo chaos ending
I thought it was neutral
This game is deep asf
To be quite honest, the true ending is such a bummer, I mean, you're basically god now and you just wipe every demon including your friends whom you made on the way from existence. Aogami, Amanozako, etc. - like, my guys at Atlus, wtf? That's not what I beat Shiva for and completed all Fionns Quests. Also I was so happy over the introduction of Aogami, cool & level-headed character only interested in making your life better, and you thank him with a knife to the back in the canon ending? Like, you introduce a great character and the canon ending is he immediately gets wiped from existence again..wow
Also all the endings feel so much the same. The extra Lucifer encounters were REALLY fun, don't get me wrong, but when he approached me in the True ending, interrupting Aogami to ask if he couldn't get a word in, I thought he was gonna propose ANOTHER option like "save specific demons" or "there is a way to coexist" but instead we got the EXACT SAME LINES FROM EVERY OTHER ENDING. Huuuuge let down...the game was great otherwise, a bit lacking in the story department as almost any other main line entry excluding IV / IV A, but overall a great experience...but seeing the intended ending of the game...I dunno anymore...kinda tarnishes the entire experience for me. :/
Also, short meta-talk:
I'm playing a game based around demons. All of them a nicely designed, have interesting lore taken from their real-life equivalents and are generally fun to fight with.
*why the hell do you think I would like to pick an ending where I wipe all that from existence ATLUS* ???
The Law Order ending reminds me of Maruki's Reality Ending since people are brought back to life and everyone else is unaware of the happy reality they are living being fake. Persona 5 Royal players understand where I am coming from here.
I prefer the Chaos ending, because it is all about free will, and having the right to choose. Challenges in life do not go away because there is no miracle to save you, but you have the power to save yourself and others through your actions. You are also not blindly following a reality of someone else's making.
i'd kinda want the reps to survive maybe at least until you killed lucifer, would be nice to have something like your connection to the reps from smt 4. I also think i'd have to choose chaos, would result in the best long run for humanity than the others
If Goko said his real name was Kagutsuchi and his role was to serve as the light of creation I would’ve lost my shit
who even is goko?
@@PenguinsAreColdish He's the orange dude who oversees the throne or something, but I don't blame you for forgetting since he's so shoehorned in.
@@raccoonpesticides6083 i should rephrase, i know who he is, i just was wondering if they know who he REALLY is.
Wow I’m so glad I never ended up finishing the game for myself if I had gotten any of these ending I would have been stuck in a depressive episode for weeks 😓
So Chaos leads to the Counsel of Gods in Record of Ragnarok. Explains a lot of things really.
It has been amazing to see how the message of the True Neutral Ending goes over the heads of so many.
Enlighten me, please.
Well then tell us
We're waiting for words Magic Man
Enlighten ussss
Woosh
You've kept us waiting
I noticed that each ending on SMT V have big similarities of the other mainline games:
V's Law is basically SMT II's Law Ending
V's Chaos is SJ Redux's "New" Chaos Ending
V's Neutral ending is Nocturne's "Demon" Ending (Not TDE, that one was added on Maniax ver, also Nahobino literally does Demifiend's Chaotic Will move)
V's True Neutral is a mixture of both IV: Apocalypse endings, he lets humanity live but Nahobino still becomes a God, yet not losing his humanity, since he "separated" it from the God, a "Shin Kami Tensei" basically, Kami instead of Megami cuz he a dude lol.
Dazai literally just became the Yuki Terumi of Shin Megami Tensei
Before I say my take about why I think you can make an argument for true neutral, I have to make something clear and I'm hoping people can clear things up if they can. If you just wanna skip to my defense of true neutral you can got the 2nd half.
I'm not 100% sure of some things cause they are vague. Unfortunately they are critical details. For example, in the chaos route, anyone can be a nahobino, right? Isnt that what the chaos PM dude said? Doesnt that mean its always going to be the god that controls the person's personality? The MC is the only exception.
We've seen this with Dazai and Yuzuru. Abidal and (however you spell his name) were in control. The most egregious example is when Lahmu controlled that chick. He used coercion on her and ultimately had no say in the matter. So will anyone really be able to have a say in being a nahobino let alone have control? That alone makes Chaos bad.
If this is the correct understanding of these things. There are other issues too such as the normal neutral ending. Such as where humanity is mentioned fighting...how? I thought humanity was still in the fake world? Is that were humans went when it vanished? They went to Da'at? So many questions with not enough answers. It's like SMT 4 again.
But enough. I'm gonna make a case for true neutral now and it's already gotten too long. I just wanted to address this.
I believe after going through the endings, if you want a more permanent, and secure ending that has humanity and the worlds best interest at heart, it's the True Neutral ending.
Now dont get me wrong. The most morally correct ending is normal neutral (as I understand it that is) as opposed to true neutral and law and chaos. Due to how there is no genocide of demons nor is there a myriad of gods that will inevitably cause this games conflict to happen again with people who wont actually have control as nahobino or how both law and chaos are atill antithetical to humanity since they still arent in control of their fate and probably the most important bit, there is no throne.
In True Neutral there is an extremely small likelihood of things going bad compared to the other endings. YHWH is gone. Lucifer is gone. Like in the other endings yes, but the followers of both are gone. Rouge gods and demons are gone. Namely Shiva and Brahman are gone. There is no one to engage in any universal fuckery of any kind. It is regrettable that all demons are gone since there are genuinely good ones.
But the powerful ones are simply too dangerous. The MC is gonna be benevolent and stay out of humanity's business. No one will have the power to realistically usurp the Nahobino. The chance to do so really seems non existent. And while all the endings barring normal neutral have info from Lucifer to stop the mandala system, those two endings unfortunately either have gods that absolutely wont have any chill or a single God that will enforce God's nonsensical beliefs among other issues.
The neutral endings simply have more stability and freedom. Especially this one.
Humans are very clearly happy here and deserve to be. Divinity nor powerful demonic forces have business bothering humanity. If people truly care about genuine freedom and believe sacrifice is necessary then tbh this ending is the most optimal.
I say this as someone that thinks regular neutral is the most morally correct ending. And because I dont think enough people give this ending the credit it deserves.
I think this is Atlus answer to people who always say neutral has no "viable" or permanent solution. Here it is in all its glory. The best solution to ending universal conflict once and for all.
All in all SMT V may have bombed story and character wise. but these story beats, and concepts (other than DS 2) might be my favorite out of MT as a whole. Seriously if the story was given better care, this might be my favorite MT game.
Hopefully you read all this and if you did thanks. Please discuss this if possible. Hell I'll do it even if its months later.
personally, I think that with God absent, there is no hope left.
still, I respect the human characters for trying to find hope anyway.
@@christopherbravo1813 What do you mean. YHWH is and has always been the bad guy in these games. This is one of the very few games where YHWH is seen as "good" or "agreeable". when he isnt hes too busy genociding people and demons.
Even when he isnt doing those things hes just being an egomaniacal narcissist whose rules make no sense. Keep demons around but also fuck demons and engage in eternal universal conflict. Among other bizzare rules.
@@justinianthe1st790 true, but ultimately YHVH is among the least egregious versions of the One True God out there, and his actions do result in humanity's continued survival-except *maybe* in SMT 2 and Apocalypse?
@@christopherbravo1813 You say that but YHVH is always the instigator. SMT 1 Thor is an ambassador of him and nukes Japan and causes nuclear armageddon.
SMT 3 he's like "lol pick between 3 bad worlds or dont"
SMT 4 isnt even chill cause YHVH is revealed to have been especially bad in apocalypse.
There really is no good version of YHVH except maybe in DS 1. But even then he's still kinda a high horse riding douche regarding cain and abel. IIRC He had a point when Cain killed Abel. But that's it. Making Cain remember forever is not exactly fair. He might have a point about it but it's still kinda cruel. However Cain needed to let go.
But all the same, YHVH is (at best) helpful making other gods that arent helping or aligned to Lucifer not aholes with their own universal threatening fuckery.
@@justinianthe1st790 dont blame you for having these opinions. However, i question the Nahobino's survival rate after taking the True Neutral throne. Luci said it himself. Theyll always exist, youre just creating a world where they can no longer manifest, outside the effects of the Mandala System. I mean he needs Aogami to be a Nahobino i thought. Either way, i dont know how he can survive alone in the Throne Room, never truly interacting for all eternity.... so yeah, that kid will eventually die, and this shit will start all over. So True Neutral to me feels like a bandaid. Law or throne destruction feels the best.
People keep equating Law to no free will. Its incorrect. What you were told is simply the angel mantra. Angels can think for themselves, they simply choose not too and base all their choices on their faith and actions on what they think is Gods will... even when he doesnt say shit. Just like any other religious zealot. So yeah. The ending basically says
"Why think when you can just put your faith in god." None of that "duck yo free will bish"
I don't get it... Was tokyo an illusion or what? Was the school full of ghosts? Why are the demons so sexy? This game is so confusing.
Imagine playing this game in church
I liked smt5… but all I can say is I liked 4 and apocalypse more
same here.
fact
The true ending is the neutral.
The best ending is the 4th secret ending.
But Its sad tho. All the demon who serves you until you reach your goal.... Fionn, amanozako especially Aogami erased their existence, Just like that. I wish they just split the world of Humans and demons. That no one can cross. I mean hes the creator now.
For that reason it's not the best ending. Why would you kill all your friends for a species you barely interact with (humanity) throughout the game?
@@raccoonpesticides6083 yeah I was more attached to the demon characters than the humans in this one so it felt right siding with your friends who are still with you instead of holding on to the past. but from the perspective of someone with a deep sense of responsibility for the world that was before I can understand how demons 1. either must have no place in a created world or 2. be subject to the divine will. the law ending is not bad then, since you're extending god's miracle, nor is the 4th ending bad since you basically retconned yourself into becoming god
but if I'm to self insert as this protagonist, I dislike all the humans I come across basically, except for miyazu and the people who are just chilling with the fairies. so the world seems to be fine the way it is, at least there in the village. and demons are chilling too, so it's a pretty satisfying conclusion. embrace da'at
All like how this time around the Chaos route is not just some bullshit about freedom = the strong will survive and screw the weak, but just the idea of freeing themselves from God so they can rule humanity as a collective.
Personally, I like the true neutral ending especially since the player character isn't acting like some weaker demon's errand boy. Though I wish the chaos ending explored the fairy village as a haven for the human survivors. I think that despite Aogami being god the protagonist has inherited YHVH's powers by defeating Lucifer but he still needs to watch his back when dealing with potential usurpers.
Great game, first game i have played in the series.
Was a really refreshing monster catching game
1:54 that is incorrect. In the first game, it was established that Lucifer was an extension of God. Lucifer represens all the flaws God despised on himself, and tried to get rid of (which is the equivalent to a spiritual lobotomy), which is the opposite of out growing them. Therefore, he's not a perfect being.
Because the protagonist is mute I felt left out of Yuzuru and Koshimizu’s friendship and conversations. It feels like they were just using me so I ended up siding with Dazai lol
I’ve come to the conclusion that the “law” ending is best. At least in the law ending, Nahobino (you, essentially) create the world however you want.
In the neutral and true endings, all the good demons you’ve encountered up to now get erased and humans continues to quarrel with each other.
Chaos ending has everyone filling their own religion and everyone kills each other for their beliefs, utter chaos.
At least by becoming god yourself, you can prevent all of that and bring the world to as close to a state of harmony as possible.
Why couldn't the true neutral ending be creating a world without gods or demons, excluding Aogami?
Because that ending sucks.
missed true ending by one boss ig, and have no save files from right before metatron to save it, damn
I'm picking law ending first just because I get a miracle that let's me fuse demons above my level and will make my second run much easier and faster.
Actually Destroy the throne ending is different if you didn't unlocket secret ending, you dont have a choise and Nuwa is dead.
She doesn't die. She just leaves as she normally does, but she doesn't come back.
Source: I got that ending the first time.
Is there a smt game where Lucifer is the real antagonist ?
Why they always put Lucifer on a pedestal of high morals ??
This game is the closest he’s gotten to being the central antagonist otherwise…It’s called going law route lol
It's based upon Gnostic Christian mythology, not the more well-known Catholic / Protestant mythology of Christianity that many people still believe in literally. The Gnostic YHVH, the Demiurge, is a capricious deity and the Serpent of Gnosticism wants to free humanity from tyranny to join a higher form of God.
Just finished SMT V on normal rn and i picked the neutral ending, and wow i loved this game, although i played P5 and P4G I consider this to be my first SMT game and I really enjoyed it! Im going to take a small break from the game and then do a NG+ on hard but I dont know if i want to start a new file or use my old one since my set up was bad and idk if i can move my skill points
hi sorry for asking ,. in just start playing SMT5😂😂 which ending i nedd to follow for 1st playthrough??? please help mee
Any
I'm here because of 2 endings of vengeance
True neutral ending is so fuck up
Imagine being in a system that has no freedom forever until the protag of smt v die
He's gonna find the awnser of everything will be back to normal.
I don't know why but I was happy to destroy the throne :D
Just all seems so underwhelming. I wanted to actually be shown what happens after taking/destroying the throne etc. Instead just same cutscene of MC walking forever afterwards.
Chaos ending show Tokyo being recreated, gods powers restored, wars happening.
Law ending, show God rezzed, angels continuning order of ruling, ending many demons.
Neutral ending, show all gods, angels, demons being erased from existence, show the throne breaking. Theres like zero aftermath for any of these smh.
A pity there isn't a Demon ending as well where Lucifer and the demifiend reach out to the Nahobino for a full alliance!
Against who? YHVH here is already dead. Lucifer doesn't have any other target.
@@jackour8167 yhvh gonna come back either via retcon
Or lucifer gonna try to overthrow the axiom
I really wished to see Abdiel and the blond guy reach the throne, just to make it "equal", choosing recreate new tokyo and making it them be the boss before the throne
All the endings felt kinda flat to me, nothing really changes no matter what ending u chose and none of them actually feel important to ur character. Especially the journey to the end the character u side with dies and u fight the same last boss in 3 of the endings.Also why do they keep making Lucifer all about freedom and God and angels dicks, it’s like they only read a single part of the Bible. There’s no nuance to it Lucifer good God bad wish they would change it up once in a while.
Ty for the video. I got the "chaos" ending and after seeing all the rest here, I can conclude that I don't think any ending is a good ending. It almost feels like we played in a universe that was doomed to have a sad ending no matter what you do. Definitely my least favorite smt to date, which is depressing 😩
why are nekomaru and ryuji mad idk whats goin on
The story is kinda meh and short, you could write all SMT5 plot in one page, even though it’s a 70h+ game. But oh man, this is such a fun game to play.
Man, yuzuru’s model looks like it has less quality than dazai’s
I went for the neutral ending, but there were some cutscenes that I did not receive like nuwa telling me her true plan and the other one before deciding to destroy the throne. Was there something I missed?
Just finished the game and the same thing happened to me. Nuwa dies alongside Yakamo and Tao/Goddess whatever-she-is disappears after that scene where you first make it to the Empyrean.
Certain side quest you have to beat
What SHOULD have been the hidden neutral ending:
Nahobino: God... Gods... Humans... You don't get it. NONE of you get it. You all talk about following God, or restoring the pantheons of Gods, or making humanity stronger by rejecting the Gods, but it's all wrong. WE created THEM. Humans created the Gods by thinking them up. Prayer made them stronger. Now they rule over us, and what do we get out of it? That maybe they'll deign to not smite us because we weren't sufficiently faithful? I say no. The solution, the REAL solution, is to put things in the correct order. Humans shouldn't serve Gods; Gods should serve Humans! *THUS I CREATE THE FIFTH WORLD!* *I CREATE A WORLD OF MEN! AS!! GODS!!!*
that's true neutral ending. but as lucifer said humans will just recreate them again.