Krishna doesn't need an ending since Dagda already hired Nanashi and he's even worse so it would be pretty redundant. Plus he still has the real Flynn so he wins anyways if you join Merkabah or Lucifer, he has the end-all weapon while Merkabah and Lucifer does not.
That wasn't the real one though. It was a copy. I don't think the woman really understands what she did. She did not reform her son. She destroyed him. She wants to live in this world, yet she doesn't understand our concepts.
@@JabamiLain doesnt understand the concept? thats just how the world is in smt4 now. dagda is like one of those grumpy old man that cant accept how the things are now, and would rather go back to medieval times rather than adapting to the current times. as danu said, humans and demons should coexist now and help each other. thats just how it goes in their world due to axiom shaping humanity's ideologies and beliefs.
@@seta1346 medieval times ? They were litterally everything that composed the universe. Is it any surprise he's angry at being reduced to, and I quote Calypso, a single form ? Let the demons do as they please in the new world. But for now, defend the values of unity.
@@JabamiLain The new Dagda said he "Didn't disagree with my old self", but was happier/more content with his new "not super angry at the world and wanting to destroy literally everything so he could remake it so he could be free of a physical form. Though, inevitably Humanity will cause concepts to embody physical forms again, so it's not worth the sacrifices (for many more reasons as well). All dead beings return to the Axiom and reincarnate, so maybe the New Dagda is somehow just as much "Real" as the original?
It's a shame that the law and chaos endings in this game were reduced to bad endings. It kinda conflicts with the whole theme of morality from the previous games. Then again, I guess it can be reasoned that you're rejecting yhvh's idea of law/chaos.
I think they did that since this game is essentially a big DLC for SMT IV, so they focused on the apocalypse endings more than the Law/Chaos ones. I'm guessing their ideology was that SMT IV has the strong law/chaos endings whereas this game has a completely alternate ending(s).
morality does not matter when there is not even freedom in that universe. only those who believe in absolute morality would see any of the Yaweh endings as good and those people are disgusting authoritarians irl who cannot be happy with the fact that there is individuals different to them, all unique & disagree.
@@ElDrHouse2010 Smt4 and smt4a are slightly more heavy handed than the rest of the series...especially 4a. Normally the argoument is more nuanced and less absolute.
Of course, to become God, you have to reject both the angels and the Devil. It's like in Maggot Baits, where Valentinos accuses Shimon of worshiping Satan, and Shimon's like "What, the devil? He showed up here yesterday, and I politely showed him the door." FYI, Shimon's goal is to help the Witch, whose title is Yaldabaoth, overwrite Jesus's agape with her own.
It's not just in this game though, it seems since 3 they got polarized (with Law endings being "good" like in other games). Even 2 has a questionably good-evil feel to the endings. It's a little insulting, really, cos I'm a chaos guy, I don't trust God but Lucifer is kinda a jerk in the later games too... I mean, why should I be called a bad guy for liking demons and wanting no Gods or Masters?
9:41 *THE CREDITS MUSIC* my God it needs so much more recognition. The entire OST for both SMT IV & SMT IVA is so incredible and sets the tone for the game so perfectly. It’s been a while since I’ve played something where the soundtrack is perfection and catchy. I have a private SoundCloud playlist of all my favorite VGM ☺️ Sometimes when driving alone we the top down the Tokyo Map Theme hits just right 👌👌
@@samza9233 Nanashi/Akira - Sugimura (Haru's fiance) Dagda - Joker/Protagonist Mido/Manabu - Igor Toki - Morgana Hallelujah - Ryuji Asahi - Futaba Flynn - Shido (also P2 Tatsuya) Walter/Lucifer - Yusuke (Also Kanji in the spin-offs) Navarre - Mishima (in apocalypse.) YHVH - Yoshida Odin - Kamoshida Krishna - Kaneshiro Fujiwara - Madarame Skins - Sojiro Sakura Asahi's dad - principal Kobayakawa Jack Frost/King Frost/Napaea - Chihaya Mifune Also: Isabeau - Marie (P4G) Medusa - Chie (P4) Navarre - Akihiko (P3) (In IV, not apocalypse) Fujiwara - Mitsuo kubo (P4) Nozomi - Aigis (P3) Nanako and Izanami (P4) minor roles in P5. Danu - Ken (P3) and Labrys (P4) Might've missed some, however, those were they major ones I could find.
Eh, I sort of like the lack of neutral. Players can’t just run down the generic, middle path that plays both sides. Players have to actually choose and fight for a distinct path
@@fatihkaraca5594 I will stand by my words and say Law route in Devil Survivor 1 is way better! I've liked the idea of Law, putting restrictions on certain aspects. Never liked chaos as it can only lead to the weak being bullied. Smt4 and 4a made the laws too restrictive. Survivor is perfect, you can change your fate by having a change of heart such as instances on day 8.
@@quanghuyvu2649 I don't really see 4Apoc's law being restrictive. It feels quite free. Angels aren't murderhoboing everything. Everyone is just.... willingly living in coexistence with Demons. We brought about the chance for everyone to live in peace and coexist, without people at each others throats. The lessons learned will remain with them, instead of being lost and surely repeated in the new world Anarchy would create.
Everyone keeps talking about Power of Friendship and how it utterly ruins the Bonds ending… First off…. Given how many things get *killed* by that power… knock it at your own risk. Second… How can you vilify…. *not* committing wanton slaughter?
"ruined" because alot of fans of mainline smt generally do not expect the nakama trope to pop up in full force (this is not my stance, personally i dont care either way)
@@zaqareemalcolm I suppose… I just found it odd that the option that isn’t commits mass genocide for selfish reasons is considered dumb or inferior or what have you…
@@Mattsothelioma sorry if this reply seems sudden, but ive been on and off trying to articulate my exact thoughts on the game first I think the real reason(s) why some people are quick to loathe the Bonds ending, has more to do with the fact that to varying degrees, the mainline series otherwise avoided having a very clear cut stance or route that the player should follow, but instead any of the possible endings that could be chosen could potentially question the player on how far they're willing to go morally to uphold a particular worldview that they think is right. This applied even to games that very explicitly deconstruct having to choose between inhumane extremisms in Law and Chaos like SMT IV or Deep Strange Journey (hence the whole _"Megaten is about killing your friends"_ thats meme'd alot) In comparison, IV:A comes off as very black and white given that the game's narrative (and even mechanics) constantly steers towards Bonds that the main dichotomy the game presents feels like an afterthought and one pretty much has to make up their own justification to why they should willingly choose Anarchy. Because unless the player happened to be genocidically insane, it basically boiled down to: _because Dagda told you to and you owe him,_ and _YHVH's covenant kinda sucked for some of the other Gods._ The Bonds ending being an unabashed celebration of relationships/friendship is just the culmination of this particular storytelling choice as there really isn't any obvious downside to choosing Bonds, the only remotely egregious thing done was Danu forcably replacing Dagda with a clone more subservient to your beliefs, and it had the impression of "if you've reached this you got the best ending of the game"
@@zaqareemalcolm I suppose that makes sense. This was a weird first game of the franchise to play (and judging by my friends screaming in rage that I can hear from another *state* I made the right choice to pick 4A over 4 I just found it odd that Law or Chaos could be seen as legitimate sides when they spend the entire game with as much sanctity for life as Kid Buu… Also after some contemplation it occurred to me… this game isn’t even technically mainline is it? It’s a spin off/alternate tale of 4’a neutral route….
Massacre goes down as one of the endings I love because of the Mc becoming so damn strong along with true demon ending in nocturne, and the Naoya ending in Devil survivor
Becoming God is a more preferable ending for me given on my mental evolution if there is a boundary or limit all things should surpass it as my knowledge of the universe has definitely surpassed that of what is considered normal for a human
becoming a god is a preferable ending for another reason, more linked to the story, in base SMT IV, it's said that the messiahs and everyone else are trapped in a endless cycle of reincarnation and pain, on the bonds ending you might think it's cool, but as shown in SMT II, god can be revived through the power of thought, when Nanashi becomes god, even if YHVH is reborn, he will not have the ultimate power of his throne, for Nanashi broke the cycle just like Daddy Dagda wanted
After finishing the Pacifist ending I came here. The Anarchy ending really is very... dark in a way, Nanashi will just become a new YHVH. Also, half expected him to stab Dagda after sitting on the throne.
i think that anarchy is mostly about what YOU as an individual would do if you had that power, dagda says a lot that you can carve your own way and i think the writers meant for you to take that part personally. you'd only be as bad as YHVH if you would do the things he did with that power
Anarchy is the best ending, not in the satisfaction factor, but in the moral one, sure, you killed your friends, enslaved Flynn, Killed what I presume thousands of Hunters, Ashura-kai and Gaians and blindly followed the clearly insane Dagda, but you also became powerful as fuck and broke the cycle of suffering that the White from base SMT IV mentioned
@@mongodroid4842 I love the death spell effect in IV. It's no Akasha Arts in terms of practicality, but it drives home the whole "I AM YOUR GOD NOW" point when you atomize someone, harvest their soul as fuel to create a new universe, then recreate their corpse from nothing and reanimate it as a thrall. Plus Dagda is best boye. anarchy ftw
Not gonna lie, Merkabah's voice still sounds like Jonathan's and makes me like him even more... I wish they had an option to revive him... Also, I'm a bit upset that the "bad endings" pretty much just are reduced to: "You fucked up, hahaha story over now go play the actual endings you coward." They had tons of potential.
After watching some gameplay of SMT IV and SMT IV:Apocalypse I wonder... Aside of A Strange Journey wich technicaly the fiths entry of SMT right(?), - could it be possible that the anarchy ending of Apocalypse starts the entry of the persona games? I understand that it's a rather farfetched strech but it just gives me those vibes. Plus Flynn starts calling Nanashi Master... And Philemons design has a pony-tail similar to Flynn... As I already mentioned it's just the vibes I get from this game so far. And I only got interesst in SMT IV and SMT IV: Apocalypse a very short time ago. I also understand if the games aren't meant to have any sort of connection but rather only keep refferencing one another... It's still a nice thought.
in my opinion, i think persona is just a whole series itself instead of being a continuation of smt iv. but i mean it is canon that smt if follows with persona 1.
Light neutral doesn't feel like a smt ending. One of the major points is that there is no right answer, meaning there is no right or perfect ending. Good exemple is smt strange journey. In the neutral ending what you did was basically put a bucket under a leaking roof, yes the floor isn't getting wet, but the bucket will overfill and the floor will get wet again. You don't fix the leaking roof and you can't fix it, because of human nature
This isn't the right answer either, it's not the first time God was killed in smt. He simply returns and the cycle restarts. The only ending that might be considered "good" is the one were you become god since it breaks the cycle but you also become a tyrant even before you fight YHVH.
That usually the point if most if not all Mainline SMT games. Law is Extreme Law Chaos is extreme chaos Neutral denies both and basically tries to patch up the messes each made in their conflict for the sake of a "new" path
i find the SJ neutral ending really funny in retrospect the schwartzwelt is based on the IRL hole in the ozone layer, which is starting to heal and close up and won’t exist anymore in a few decades so the metaphor about humanity destroying itself is somewhat contradicted now
Anarchy was the best ending. In the peace ending another god will take over for YHVH and start another cycle of law and chaos wars. Anarchy is the only ending where a new world, free of conflict can be formed. Of course, sacrifices were made, but their souls will all be reincarnated in the new universe.
People and gods aren't immune to degradation and failure. It's why these conflicts are cyclical. The attitude they had in the end was clearly indicative of that. There's no way he will be benevolent for long, if at all. Especially given the sort of drive you have to have to want to rule all of creation.
The funny thing is no protag can kill the One True God as stated by Steven as He calls it "The Great Will/Axiom" The reason why Messiahs from other universes come to fuck you up is because God doesnt like it when someone else pretends to be Him.
@@eatanotherzio6811 So, in the end, you've just become another corrupt Axiom-wannabe like YHVH only because you let a selfish and psychotic god manipulate you.
@@dancooper5423 I wouldn't say he became corrupt in an instant. It is most likely he will become corrupt as time goes on and a messiah from another universe will eventually defeat him. It sounds like this could be an optional boss fight for smt 5
Neutral ones are like law and chaos.Peace being law and anarchy being chaos since law one you can decide to join says shit about peace whilw Lucifer says shit about freedom.
I know I am 10 months late but this has to be the most one track minded comment on Peace and Anarchy endings I have ever seen, especially hearing someone say that the Peace ending is Law Imagine missing the point that hard
I know I’m really late but smt is to side with law chaos or neutral and the good endings in this game are neutral considering in both you decide that yhvh is no longer needed Nd you won’t side with Lucifer but instead take the world and put it into a humans hands
Why? he was right. Humans turn on you several times throughout the game and your party is dead weight and turns on you the second you disagree with them
Wouldn't that make us any better than God or Lucifer then, choosing other people's destinies for them? Its a path that only you, the protagonist, believes is right, not the people. Besides, in this game, gods, humans and demons are all the same mentally. There can be kind demons and evil angels. Such as there are all manners of humans. Frankly I don't see a difference.
Consegui a rota neutra na primeira gameplay, nao gostava da ideia da Ordem ou de Submissao pela rota do Chaos, minhas escolhas foram sempre baseadas naquilo que dá as pessoas o direito de escolher sem interferencia dos poderosos ❤. Muito bom esse jogo!
When you get an ending you have to beging since the beggining, but you can make a new game + with your level, items and demons. All the endings in this game are puntual moments when you have to decide (join Merkahbah, join Lucifer or agree with Dagda in a concrete moment).
If you don't want to start over, create a second save file at the focal points. (Right before you enter the Yamato Perpetual Reactor room to confront Lucifer and Merkabah, and in the 6th section of the Cosmic Egg, I think?)
I know who I would choose. Dagda. His vision... unlike what you might think, his path leads into true collectiveness, not individuality. Our physical bodies are what create the illusion of separation. His delusions of individuality shall pave the way for the universe I wish to see built.
Why would anyone reject Dagda ? Think about it. The souls of those closest to you...One shall be the wind, and the other the earth for example. And that wind shall touch the flowers that blossom from the earth like hands reaching out. They're not going to be separated. They're going to complete each other. Perfection might be a curse. But it must be explored none the less. Let people decide if they want it or not.
@@Benjamin-ml7sv Look, I'll be real here, I am fine with the Bonds ending as it is. 4A is an extension of 4, where the standard Law and Chaos endings take a backseat so something new can be attempted
@@Benjamin-ml7sv Yes. Neutral, however, is a pain to get with no guide. White ending is an early game bad ending. Law and Chaos are extremities no one in their right mind would follow
@NihilisticEntropy I do have played SMT 2 and there is a vast difference. Not even gets bad repercusions if we confirm the theory Aleph was Hijiri in Nocturne.
@@tendatonda1634 I'm a smt fan since 14 and he is mostly right. Majority of thr fans are edgelords who dont get the message of the games, the result? SMT4A plagued with shitty endings to appeal to immature idiots
@@akiradkcn i would say vocal minority gives you that impression, ive dabbled in many smt related community, most are normal people that like the series.
@@akiradkcn And they got butthurt for someone's comment (how tf can an adjective be "outdated". Did I miss on a trend against SMT?). They're edgy shitheads that always crap on either Apocalypse or Persona, as seen in the comments section of this video.
Waaay too late I know, but that's because, in the Torah, it is said that only the most devoted rabbis might pronounce god's name. In fact, I heard that whenever they had to write "YHVH" (that's not his real name, his real name is "Yahweh") they burned the pen they wrote with
@@ramburgervalentine7621 he is. In pretty much every smt game he is depicted as being a tyrant. Lucifer will come back and demons will to. God's way of punishment is Lucifer he never helps anybody he never did anything that didn't HARM the people the angels killed people in Tokyo him making Lucifer killed a bunch as well. So don't say he isn't a tyrant
![Shin Megami Tensei 4 Apocalypse Boss Dagda [APOCALYPSE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xlHQK-AydYQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Law: We did it! But not really
Chaos: We did it! But not really
Peace: We did it as friends!
Anarchy: *I did it.*
the peace ending is literally a persona 4 ending.
Der45lol is that really so bad?
Protoform X well when fighting t yhwh you literally use the power of friend ship to beat him.
@@the2gamerschannel I wouldn't say that... I would say is more like you won by rejecting him
Hector Mejía I mean yeah but you do need your friends to reject him to do the damage.
Merkabah: Early Bad Ending
Lucifer: Early Bad Ending
Dagda: Edgy Fantasy
Asahi: Friendship is Magic
Krishna: I don't even have an ending
I don't call following Merkabooba a bad ending. 😊🥰
Krishna doesn't need an ending since Dagda already hired Nanashi and he's even worse so it would be pretty redundant. Plus he still has the real Flynn so he wins anyways if you join Merkabah or Lucifer, he has the end-all weapon while Merkabah and Lucifer does not.
@@Pduarte79you are the unclean one, merkabah would not let you pass to the holy land
Flynn: "aight imma head out"
*> Flynn is clearly disappointed.*
I mean, if you know about his state at that time, it’s quite apparent why he backed away.
“This is going to get messy,ima pull out”
Dagda in Anarchy ending "Cool, badass, doesn't need anyone help"
Dagda in Neutral Peace ending "You know what, I'm going to stay with my mother"
That wasn't the real one though. It was a copy. I don't think the woman really understands what she did. She did not reform her son. She destroyed him. She wants to live in this world, yet she doesn't understand our concepts.
@@JabamiLain doesnt understand the concept? thats just how the world is in smt4 now. dagda is like one of those grumpy old man that cant accept how the things are now, and would rather go back to medieval times rather than adapting to the current times. as danu said, humans and demons should coexist now and help each other. thats just how it goes in their world due to axiom shaping humanity's ideologies and beliefs.
@@seta1346 medieval times ? They were litterally everything that composed the universe. Is it any surprise he's angry at being reduced to, and I quote Calypso, a single form ? Let the demons do as they please in the new world. But for now, defend the values of unity.
@@JabamiLain The new Dagda said he "Didn't disagree with my old self", but was happier/more content with his new "not super angry at the world and wanting to destroy literally everything so he could remake it so he could be free of a physical form. Though, inevitably Humanity will cause concepts to embody physical forms again, so it's not worth the sacrifices (for many more reasons as well).
All dead beings return to the Axiom and reincarnate, so maybe the New Dagda is somehow just as much "Real" as the original?
In the anarchy ending, if you choose not to help Flynn and Isabeau, she states that she hated you from that moment on
was a bit confused at why flynn would pull out until i remembered it wasnt flynn
Right at first time i was confuse
Yeah looks like he gotta prepare for war for Krishna, note that Krishna still has the real Flynn at that time so he still wins anyway
Flynn pull out game.
Too strong.
thats what she said
It left Isabeau cryin at how strong it was...
'Goodbye, kid'
Both recordings in Peace and Anarchy ending are different.
And I love that they did this.
Dagda is a precious woobie who can do no wrong.
@@O2Eater Except force Nanashi to Kill His Friends
It's really sad to see Dagda say goodbye
It's a shame that the law and chaos endings in this game were reduced to bad endings. It kinda conflicts with the whole theme of morality from the previous games. Then again, I guess it can be reasoned that you're rejecting yhvh's idea of law/chaos.
I think they did that since this game is essentially a big DLC for SMT IV, so they focused on the apocalypse endings more than the Law/Chaos ones. I'm guessing their ideology was that SMT IV has the strong law/chaos endings whereas this game has a completely alternate ending(s).
morality does not matter when there is not even freedom in that universe.
only those who believe in absolute morality would see any of the Yaweh endings as good and those people are disgusting authoritarians irl who cannot be happy with the fact that there is individuals different to them, all unique & disagree.
@@ElDrHouse2010
Smt4 and smt4a are slightly more heavy handed than the rest of the series...especially 4a.
Normally the argoument is more nuanced and less absolute.
Of course, to become God, you have to reject both the angels and the Devil. It's like in Maggot Baits, where Valentinos accuses Shimon of worshiping Satan, and Shimon's like "What, the devil? He showed up here yesterday, and I politely showed him the door." FYI, Shimon's goal is to help the Witch, whose title is Yaldabaoth, overwrite Jesus's agape with her own.
It's not just in this game though, it seems since 3 they got polarized (with Law endings being "good" like in other games). Even 2 has a questionably good-evil feel to the endings. It's a little insulting, really, cos I'm a chaos guy, I don't trust God but Lucifer is kinda a jerk in the later games too...
I mean, why should I be called a bad guy for liking demons and wanting no Gods or Masters?
Meanwhile in anarchy ending universe:
Alien reporter: The universe is getting errased
Random alien: damn that japaneese bois
"I'm pulling out"
"This is going to get messy."
This turned into Shin Megami Hentai real quick.😂
hentai tentacles go SLURP SLURP.
Shin Megami Hentai 4 APOCALYPSE
@@NOTZeroBlank with help of
Nakajima!
Flynn when Isabeau 😳
9:41 *THE CREDITS MUSIC* my God it needs so much more recognition. The entire OST for both SMT IV & SMT IVA is so incredible and sets the tone for the game so perfectly. It’s been a while since I’ve played something where the soundtrack is perfection and catchy. I have a private SoundCloud playlist of all my favorite VGM ☺️ Sometimes when driving alone we the top down the Tokyo Map Theme hits just right 👌👌
Strange Journey's soundtrack is even more perfect, IMO.
I just love how flynn was actually voiced by SHIDO all this time :P.
Just like YHVH was voiced by Yoshida.
DAMN BRAT, I'LL SUE!
@@BlooperTanooki Same voice as Persona 2 Innocent Sin protagonist.
So many persona 5 VA are also in this game. Toki - morgana, hallelujah - ryugi, asahi - futuba, etc...
@@samza9233
Nanashi/Akira - Sugimura (Haru's fiance)
Dagda - Joker/Protagonist
Mido/Manabu - Igor
Toki - Morgana
Hallelujah - Ryuji
Asahi - Futaba
Flynn - Shido (also P2 Tatsuya)
Walter/Lucifer - Yusuke (Also Kanji in the spin-offs)
Navarre - Mishima (in apocalypse.)
YHVH - Yoshida
Odin - Kamoshida
Krishna - Kaneshiro
Fujiwara - Madarame
Skins - Sojiro Sakura
Asahi's dad - principal Kobayakawa
Jack Frost/King Frost/Napaea - Chihaya Mifune
Also:
Isabeau - Marie (P4G)
Medusa - Chie (P4)
Navarre - Akihiko (P3) (In IV, not apocalypse)
Fujiwara - Mitsuo kubo (P4)
Nozomi - Aigis (P3) Nanako and Izanami (P4) minor roles in P5.
Danu - Ken (P3) and Labrys (P4)
Might've missed some, however, those were they major ones I could find.
oh, so chaos bad ending has lucifer make a "second" demi fiend?
Kinda the reverse Demi fiend because Nanashi gets a demonic heart and a physical body where as Demi fiend had a demonic body and human soul
@@sock312 point, but you get my meaning
Emperorwolf 999 yeah I getcha I was more saying that in case you didn’t know
@@sock312 ive run thru every line in nocturne and true devil twice lol
Emperorwolf 999 then i apologize
Guess the saving of Christmas wasn't the Phantom Thieves first big mission after all...
And... also, Shido helped too, apparently.
VanessaMae1087 they also killed Yusuke at one point
@@sock312 and they also killed Arsene only for him to be remade again
I just love the smt4 crew being brought back for the final showdown in the friendship route.
Navarre fr said no to passing on and I find it hilarious
Also the lack of a neutral route kinda bothers me...
peace ending is light neutral. anarchy is dark neutral.
I think the real real real Neutral route begins when Nanashi rejects dagda offer dies and Flynn is the one that has to solve everything.
this whole game is neutral route... that why chaos and law route is reduced to bad ending
Eh, I sort of like the lack of neutral. Players can’t just run down the generic, middle path that plays both sides. Players have to actually choose and fight for a distinct path
Wish there was another ending where you can agree with Dagda but say no to killing everyone.
Basically good Naoya ending from devil survivor overclocked
Which is literally the best ending in all smt imo
@@fatihkaraca5594 was planning on playing it before my 3DS broke
@@fatihkaraca5594 I will stand by my words and say Law route in Devil Survivor 1 is way better!
I've liked the idea of Law, putting restrictions on certain aspects. Never liked chaos as it can only lead to the weak being bullied. Smt4 and 4a made the laws too restrictive. Survivor is perfect, you can change your fate by having a change of heart such as instances on day 8.
@@quanghuyvu2649 I don't really see 4Apoc's law being restrictive. It feels quite free. Angels aren't murderhoboing everything. Everyone is just.... willingly living in coexistence with Demons. We brought about the chance for everyone to live in peace and coexist, without people at each others throats. The lessons learned will remain with them, instead of being lost and surely repeated in the new world Anarchy would create.
Does the game even register which endings you get throughout your playthroughs?
Late, but yeah you get titles that you can carry over
Ok... Before playing SMT 4 : "alright, Anarchy ending is it"
After playing SMT 4: "ok yeah nevermind, peace ending is it"
I have a question why?
I thought the anarchy was the “best” choice
@@pablothecoffeelover2551 after playing SMT 4 i got attached to the characters too much tbh. 4A peace ending just feel "nice" to them
@@HDR95 oooooh okey understand
@@pablothecoffeelover2551 not really...?
@@n1rvanna_chaos I mean you kinda create perfect world kinda
Shido: "Ight Imma head out."
Zen: "Ight Imma head out."
Hey if your new universe has cookies I'm down.
Flynn doesn't even try to stop you.
It would've been cool if you had to fight him before or after facing Merkabah or Lucifer.
Spoiler That is because that one is not Flynn, is Shesha
It’s not actually Flynn though. I’m sure if it was he would have made an effort to stop Nanashi
Yeah the biggest problem is that it’s not flynn
Lul, thats not flynn...thats snekboi .
Yeah, except that's not Flynn but Shesha. And the real Flynn is held captive by the Divine Powers in the Cosmic Egg.
Everyone keeps talking about Power of Friendship and how it utterly ruins the Bonds ending…
First off…. Given how many things get *killed* by that power… knock it at your own risk.
Second… How can you vilify…. *not* committing wanton slaughter?
"ruined" because alot of fans of mainline smt generally do not expect the nakama trope to pop up in full force (this is not my stance, personally i dont care either way)
@@zaqareemalcolm I suppose… I just found it odd that the option that isn’t commits mass genocide for selfish reasons is considered dumb or inferior or what have you…
@@Mattsothelioma sorry if this reply seems sudden, but ive been on and off trying to articulate my exact thoughts on the game first
I think the real reason(s) why some people are quick to loathe the Bonds ending, has more to do with the fact that to varying degrees, the mainline series otherwise avoided having a very clear cut stance or route that the player should follow, but instead any of the possible endings that could be chosen could potentially question the player on how far they're willing to go morally to uphold a particular worldview that they think is right. This applied even to games that very explicitly deconstruct having to choose between inhumane extremisms in Law and Chaos like SMT IV or Deep Strange Journey (hence the whole _"Megaten is about killing your friends"_ thats meme'd alot)
In comparison, IV:A comes off as very black and white given that the game's narrative (and even mechanics) constantly steers towards Bonds that the main dichotomy the game presents feels like an afterthought and one pretty much has to make up their own justification to why they should willingly choose Anarchy.
Because unless the player happened to be genocidically insane, it basically boiled down to: _because Dagda told you to and you owe him,_ and _YHVH's covenant kinda sucked for some of the other Gods._ The Bonds ending being an unabashed celebration of relationships/friendship is just the culmination of this particular storytelling choice as there really isn't any obvious downside to choosing Bonds, the only remotely egregious thing done was Danu forcably replacing Dagda with a clone more subservient to your beliefs, and it had the impression of "if you've reached this you got the best ending of the game"
@@zaqareemalcolm I suppose that makes sense. This was a weird first game of the franchise to play (and judging by my friends screaming in rage that I can hear from another *state* I made the right choice to pick 4A over 4
I just found it odd that Law or Chaos could be seen as legitimate sides when they spend the entire game with as much sanctity for life as Kid Buu…
Also after some contemplation it occurred to me… this game isn’t even technically mainline is it? It’s a spin off/alternate tale of 4’a neutral route….
Massacre goes down as one of the endings I love because of the Mc becoming so damn strong along with true demon ending in nocturne, and the Naoya ending in Devil survivor
Except, Naoki doesn't care about becoming a God. He simply wants to be destroy him.
@@jackour8167 I know
The Meritorious Ending in Devil Survivor 2 is pretty great
Becoming God is a more preferable ending for me given on my mental evolution if there is a boundary or limit all things should surpass it as my knowledge of the universe has definitely surpassed that of what is considered normal for a human
becoming a god is a preferable ending for another reason, more linked to the story, in base SMT IV, it's said that the messiahs and everyone else are trapped in a endless cycle of reincarnation and pain, on the bonds ending you might think it's cool, but as shown in SMT II, god can be revived through the power of thought, when Nanashi becomes god, even if YHVH is reborn, he will not have the ultimate power of his throne, for Nanashi broke the cycle just like Daddy Dagda wanted
become creator in new world and start making child with asahi 😂
@@lightmobamingler Hey Haleyujah is best girl
After finishing the Pacifist ending I came here.
The Anarchy ending really is very... dark in a way, Nanashi will just become a new YHVH.
Also, half expected him to stab Dagda after sitting on the throne.
i think that anarchy is mostly about what YOU as an individual would do if you had that power, dagda says a lot that you can carve your own way and i think the writers meant for you to take that part personally. you'd only be as bad as YHVH if you would do the things he did with that power
I'm bout to end this universes whole carrer
I'm bout to start this universes whole carrer
>Flynn is clearly disappointed o_o
Plot twist, he isn't the real one.
Why is flynn's voice so deep, like hes an 18 year old and he has the same voice as shido
And Tatsuya and Zen
@@danielmayonaka8818 yep
Because this isn't SMT 4 Flynn, but something else masquerading in his husk.
You should've heard my voice when I was 15
Isn't this like several years after smt4?
Anarchy is the best ending, not in the satisfaction factor, but in the moral one, sure, you killed your friends, enslaved Flynn, Killed what I presume thousands of Hunters, Ashura-kai and Gaians and blindly followed the clearly insane Dagda, but you also became powerful as fuck and broke the cycle of suffering that the White from base SMT IV mentioned
That is only if you agree with White's nihilism.
Zaalt Naerthe lmao except the whole point of the ending was literally destroying that so no Massacre is correct. It’s unfortunate but it’s correct
I got to drop a fat Mamudoon on a crowd of unsuspecting hunters and watch them disintegrate. I've never felt more evil.
@@O2Eater ok, time to delete my edgy-ass philosophical argument from 8 months ago, this is the real reason why anarchy is the right ending
@@mongodroid4842 I love the death spell effect in IV. It's no Akasha Arts in terms of practicality, but it drives home the whole "I AM YOUR GOD NOW" point when you atomize someone, harvest their soul as fuel to create a new universe, then recreate their corpse from nothing and reanimate it as a thrall.
Plus Dagda is best boye. anarchy ftw
Merkabah is the ultimate maid.
Not gonna lie, Merkabah's voice still sounds like Jonathan's and makes me like him even more... I wish they had an option to revive him...
Also, I'm a bit upset that the "bad endings" pretty much just are reduced to: "You fucked up, hahaha story over now go play the actual endings you coward." They had tons of potential.
Agreed.
Jonathan and Walter ARE technically revived for the YHVH battle in the Bonds route
After watching some gameplay of SMT IV and SMT IV:Apocalypse I wonder... Aside of A Strange Journey wich technicaly the fiths entry of SMT right(?), - could it be possible that the anarchy ending of Apocalypse starts the entry of the persona games? I understand that it's a rather farfetched strech but it just gives me those vibes. Plus Flynn starts calling Nanashi Master... And Philemons design has a pony-tail similar to Flynn... As I already mentioned it's just the vibes I get from this game so far. And I only got interesst in SMT IV and SMT IV: Apocalypse a very short time ago. I also understand if the games aren't meant to have any sort of connection but rather only keep refferencing one another... It's still a nice thought.
in my opinion, i think persona is just a whole series itself instead of being a continuation of smt iv. but i mean it is canon that smt if follows with persona 1.
No
As mentioned, to me, it's a nice thought. Nothing else.
Persona started with a time traveller stopping SMT1's events
BatJoestar Bandana Ren Dee was that Raidou or just regular devil summoner?
Light neutral doesn't feel like a smt ending.
One of the major points is that there is no right answer, meaning there is no right or perfect ending.
Good exemple is smt strange journey.
In the neutral ending what you did was basically put a bucket under a leaking roof, yes the floor isn't getting wet, but the bucket will overfill and the floor will get wet again. You don't fix the leaking roof and you can't fix it, because of human nature
This isn't the right answer either, it's not the first time God was killed in smt. He simply returns and the cycle restarts. The only ending that might be considered "good" is the one were you become god since it breaks the cycle but you also become a tyrant even before you fight YHVH.
That usually the point if most if not all Mainline SMT games.
Law is Extreme Law
Chaos is extreme chaos
Neutral denies both and basically tries to patch up the messes each made in their conflict for the sake of a "new" path
You should have used Redux as example since the vanilla SJ ones are straight up Bad Endings
i find the SJ neutral ending really funny in retrospect
the schwartzwelt is based on the IRL hole in the ozone layer, which is starting to heal and close up and won’t exist anymore in a few decades
so the metaphor about humanity destroying itself is somewhat contradicted now
Anarchy was the best ending. In the peace ending another god will take over for YHVH and start another cycle of law and chaos wars. Anarchy is the only ending where a new world, free of conflict can be formed. Of course, sacrifices were made, but their souls will all be reincarnated in the new universe.
People and gods aren't immune to degradation and failure. It's why these conflicts are cyclical. The attitude they had in the end was clearly indicative of that. There's no way he will be benevolent for long, if at all. Especially given the sort of drive you have to have to want to rule all of creation.
Anthony Derome to me possibly becoming corrupt>being damned with my friends forever
The funny thing is no protag can kill the One True God as stated by Steven as He calls it "The Great Will/Axiom"
The reason why Messiahs from other universes come to fuck you up is because God doesnt like it when someone else pretends to be Him.
@@eatanotherzio6811 So, in the end, you've just become another corrupt Axiom-wannabe like YHVH only because you let a selfish and psychotic god manipulate you.
@@dancooper5423 I wouldn't say he became corrupt in an instant. It is most likely he will become corrupt as time goes on and a messiah from another universe will eventually defeat him. It sounds like this could be an optional boss fight for smt 5
I really want that anarchy is the canon ending for this game, so that we can face nanashi as the next messiah in SMT5.
Probably not. Any character development or sacrifices your allies went through will become pointless
@@n1rvanna_chaos thats the issue with anarchy end
33:42
Dagda: Get some, kid.
Neutral ones are like law and chaos.Peace being law and anarchy being chaos since law one you can decide to join says shit about peace whilw Lucifer says shit about freedom.
marko 2001 lol
I know I am 10 months late but this has to be the most one track minded comment on Peace and Anarchy endings I have ever seen, especially hearing someone say that the Peace ending is Law
Imagine missing the point that hard
I know I’m really late but smt is to side with law chaos or neutral and the good endings in this game are neutral considering in both you decide that yhvh is no longer needed Nd you won’t side with Lucifer but instead take the world and put it into a humans hands
Would You deliver the final blow to YHVH?
... No
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves
@@bladmun5718 chad
Dagda is just vegeta
Time fr smt5 to throw us with their ending. My favorite ending is smt3 freedom by far fr all smt
Dagda was right change my mind
Why? he was right. Humans turn on you several times throughout the game and your party is dead weight and turns on you the second you disagree with them
@@sock312 fr they aint real friends, if your friends stop being so because you disagree with them they are shit friends
Wouldn't that make us any better than God or Lucifer then, choosing other people's destinies for them? Its a path that only you, the protagonist, believes is right, not the people. Besides, in this game, gods, humans and demons are all the same mentally. There can be kind demons and evil angels. Such as there are all manners of humans. Frankly I don't see a difference.
@@sock312 friends still can fight. Its similar to Isebau fight in smt 4. They fight you because of what they think is right
@@n1rvanna_chaos they aren’t my friends. They disregard us the second we disagree with them.
This game seems more neutral based than the others.
i need that ending sountrack
God, i love this game!
Consegui a rota neutra na primeira gameplay, nao gostava da ideia da Ordem ou de Submissao pela rota do Chaos, minhas escolhas foram sempre baseadas naquilo que dá as pessoas o direito de escolher sem interferencia dos poderosos ❤. Muito bom esse jogo!
after I finish one ending, how do I go back and choose the other one so I can see it for myself??
When you get an ending you have to beging since the beggining, but you can make a new game + with your level, items and demons. All the endings in this game are puntual moments when you have to decide (join Merkahbah, join Lucifer or agree with Dagda in a concrete moment).
If you don't want to start over, create a second save file at the focal points. (Right before you enter the Yamato Perpetual Reactor room to confront Lucifer and Merkabah, and in the 6th section of the Cosmic Egg, I think?)
at the end of the day the players have the final say..while atlus just created things
I'm probably shouldn't but I really like the last scene better
da'ww. The peace ending is giving me a toothache, hehe! Nanashi is so cute in that ending!
I know who I would choose. Dagda. His vision... unlike what you might think, his path leads into true collectiveness, not individuality. Our physical bodies are what create the illusion of separation. His delusions of individuality shall pave the way for the universe I wish to see built.
Literally end of evangelion ending.
@@kwadarth I just watched it.
Literally Masami Eiri
@@kwadarth I don't think I'm gonna be 100% ok for a while. I can support the ending though.
@@JabamiLain stay safe bud
The peace ending is beautiful.
Yhvh is contradicting himself. Saying what nanashi did will eventually repeat
Why would anyone reject Dagda ? Think about it. The souls of those closest to you...One shall be the wind, and the other the earth for example. And that wind shall touch the flowers that blossom from the earth like hands reaching out. They're not going to be separated. They're going to complete each other. Perfection might be a curse. But it must be explored none the less. Let people decide if they want it or not.
The L&C “routes” are just worse versions of the original 4s
Hmm, no Divine Powers ending.
Dagda is enough though prob Krishna would be redundant, also Krishna has the real Flynn so even if Nanashi falls to Merkabah or Lucifer he still wins
Is Hallelujah have Ruiji voice actor?
Yes
Which ending is which im omega confused
The first one is the law ending, second was the chaos ending, the third one was peace ending and the last was the anarchy ending.
Yeah
Anarchy is the best ending
BRUH, peace ending is seriously worse power of friendship shit than Persona 4.
Do you have a better suggestion for a possible ending that isn't Law, Chaos, or Anarchy or any equivalents of them
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 Nope. They should just keep it old-school and stop doing any power of friendship.
@@Benjamin-ml7sv Look, I'll be real here, I am fine with the Bonds ending as it is. 4A is an extension of 4, where the standard Law and Chaos endings take a backseat so something new can be attempted
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 What do you mean? SMT 4 had 4 endings too.
@@Benjamin-ml7sv Yes. Neutral, however, is a pain to get with no guide. White ending is an early game bad ending. Law and Chaos are extremities no one in their right mind would follow
Merkabah ASMR
Final one means yhwh inside flynn ?
I dont like any of this endings. I think all of this kind fo lacks meaning
@NihilisticEntropy I do have played SMT 2 and there is a vast difference. Not even gets bad repercusions if we confirm the theory Aleph was Hijiri in Nocturne.
What happened here
@@gamrroyale5928 idk man someone answered but then erased their comment :(
@@onemoregodrejected9369
I guess you could say...
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I'd pick Law. At least YHVH wins and controls universe.
Anarchy is actually the best ending
@@Lilith_is_better_thn_the_devil
Law=perfect
chaos=meh
neutral(peace and anarchy)=pure garbage
@@TangensROH why do i see you in every single smt comment section
Damn, SMT fans seem to be a bunch of edgy teens.
Nobody cares
outdated joke, try better my man
@@tendatonda1634 I'm a smt fan since 14 and he is mostly right. Majority of thr fans are edgelords who dont get the message of the games, the result? SMT4A plagued with shitty endings to appeal to immature idiots
@@akiradkcn i would say vocal minority gives you that impression, ive dabbled in many smt related community, most are normal people that like the series.
@@akiradkcn And they got butthurt for someone's comment (how tf can an adjective be "outdated". Did I miss on a trend against SMT?). They're edgy shitheads that always crap on either Apocalypse or Persona, as seen in the comments section of this video.
All 4 endings sucked so much lmao
Yeah
For real. I wish anarchy had the choice to leave your friends without killing them. That would've been much better
@@jackour8167 thats impossible you have to literally kill everyone to get the anarchy ending
@@goodyute2178 "I wish"
L take.
why fucking censored when have all kind of demons in this game?Is a joke censored Lucifer talk kkkkkkk
Waaay too late I know, but that's because, in the Torah, it is said that only the most devoted rabbis might pronounce god's name. In fact, I heard that whenever they had to write "YHVH" (that's not his real name, his real name is "Yahweh") they burned the pen they wrote with
Law = best route.
You commit mass genocide and have people live under the tryant yhvh
@@voltwolf9839 is not tyranny
@@ramburgervalentine7621 he is. In pretty much every smt game he is depicted as being a tyrant. Lucifer will come back and demons will to. God's way of punishment is Lucifer he never helps anybody he never did anything that didn't HARM the people the angels killed people in Tokyo him making Lucifer killed a bunch as well. So don't say he isn't a tyrant
@@voltwolf9839 Live under the tyrant YHVH? Perfect life for me.
@@voltwolf9839 Blame ATLUS for that.
Bros really censoring YHVH 🙄
Side with Merkabooba is the obviously good choice. 🤭😏🥰