Hi Matt , My 835 I am using a modified choke 2 3/4 000 8 pellet buckshot or 3in. 000 10 pellet . it's awesome everything's in a 14 inch circle 40 yd. It's a deer 🦌 killing machine brother !! I wanted a Buck kicker but The guys at Kicks choke said they didn't have one that would shoot that tight to use my modified.
I think I may have some 000 buck shells somewhere, so I'll have to look and see what I've got. I'm definitely curious what my setup would do with a shell and choke combo like that
Those loads just aren’t very good to be honest. There’s no shot cup and the pellets are very soft lead, they deform upon firing. We use that exact setup, even down to the same model 835 and it does amazing with buckshot that’s loaded with a shotcup.
I still haven't seen any super great results from my 835, but I still want to get my hands on some of the loads with the flight control wad to see what they can do. I've had other people say the same about getting good results with their 835, so it has been rather surprising that I just haven't yet
Hey bud, How tight of a choke you can put buckshot through partially depends on how it's loaded. Stacked by 2's can go through a tighter choke without deformation than stacked by 3's. Needless to say, there are other factors: 0.320" buck could go through a tighter choke than 0.330" buck, wad-grabber(ported) chokes don't play as nicely without a shot cup protecting the pellets, ect... A good demonstration of this is people that put 0.380" or 0.375" buck stacked by 2's(max 12ga hull ID is about 0.760") through a 0.732" 12ga barrel and get good patterns. The pellets should be getting deformed in this scenario, but it seems like it's not enough to wreck the patterns. Factory ammo over the last few years has been pure crap in every cartridge from every company. At best you get ripped off, at worst, it's dangerous. There are multiple accounts of this all over the web from all over the world. Now days it's just better to make your own because it's safer, you can customize it and work up loads, and you can get more precision(tighter patterns) for less cost per shot, and you're not constrained to whatever is available in stock. I appreciate that you test factory loads, because not everyone does roll their own, and it's helpful to the "average" shooter. I have an 835 and so does a family member. Last fall I tested some factory loads in 28" barrels with 0.695" factory ported chokes. The Best was the Remington Express 9 pellet 00 buck at 62MOA (about 25" at 40yrds). I then worked up some very simple hand loads(first ones ever for shotgun). I used homemade 0.330" buck(true 00) and easily got 30MOA to 40MOA patterns(about 12" to 16" at 40yrds) in both guns. The components cost me about $0.75 a shot+ time and effort and equipment, the Remington Express was selling for $2.50 a shot at that time. So the gun and choke are fine, it's factory ammo that sucks. This fall, I plan on doing a test on 0.380" buckshot(0000). I want to see what the smallest choke I can put it through is, before the pattern starts going to crap at 50yrds. I will be using the 835, smooth(non-ported) chokes from 0.765" working my way down to 0.680" in about 0.005" increments(the jump from size to size isn't perfectly 0.005" every time). Depending on how it goes, I'd like to repeat the test with other large buck to see if there is an equation for the optimal choke size(EX: 2(buck diameter) X 0.9 = best choke size). Hopefully I find something useful in the experiments. Anyway, keep up the good work!
Thanks, that's a lot of good information. I'm gonna be doing a bunch more testing, so we will see what results I get. I doubt that I will ever get that in depth about it, but as you said, every little aspect can make a difference
@@matttyreeoutdoors Pretty much everything I know about shotgun stuff comes from Bubba Rountree Outdoors, Roger Atkins, The Shotgun Scientists, Buck and Slug Reloader, Psyko klown, Surviving Duck Season, and Taufledermouse. They're the ones doing all the hard work. If you haven't seen all of them, I'd take a look at their channels. Keep up the good work!
Very surprised to hear you aren’t getting good patterns with the 835. A few years ago I bought my 2 step sons each an 835 Turkey and I shoot the 935. I tried Buck Kickers, and a bunch of other chokes. I ended up with a Pure Gold 696. It wasn’t initially that great and I called the manufacturer. He was super and walked me through tightening up my patterns. He had the patent on the Mossberg .695 XFull turkey choke. We used rubbing compound on a drill to polish the barrel. He said EVERY 835/935 can use a polish to smooth extremely minute tool marks from manufacturing. This is not a honing process, this is to mirror polish the barrel and reduce friction. My guns would put 18 pellets in a 1 gallon milk jug at 40 yards with the Pure Gold 696 or Factory .695 Turkey choke. I will bet your gun has some plastic wad built up on the barrel and that is the cause of your poor patterns. Give it a shot! The turkey hunters 15 years ago before TSS would all polish a barrel to tighten patterns up. The process is very well detailed on many of the Turkey web groups.
It makes sense, but this 835 has always struggled with shot sizes larger than 4s. I'm pretty meticulous when it comes to cleaning, so I rarely pattern a shotgun that has a dirty barrel. This 835 has a mirror like finish in the barrel, but that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't have very fine tooling marks. I may mess with polishing it at some point, but I'm just taking it for what it is for the time being
I've done a lot of buckshot testing and I usually use a standard full when shooting buckshot. I've found my patterns are better than when I use a more open choke. I would like to see a test of Federal Flight Control through a full choke to see if you get the same results as me.
@matttyreeoutdoors its a shame! Use to be able to rely on winchester for quality ammo. I'm leaning more federal these days for shotgun ammo. The last cases of winny I purchased were the steel waterfowl, and they seem to be alright. That was a couple of years back, though. I about purchased these duds today, but I figured I'd see if anyone had some recent reviews out. You saved me some heartache.
Hey Matt! I ordered the wrong threads on a kicks goblin thunder choke for the mossberg 835/935 threads would you want it for testing on the Chanel or maybe for a give away?
I'm actually working right now on setting up a way for people to start sending me things like chokes or ammo to test, so keep an eye out for when I get everything set up and you can absolutely send it in if you would like
@@matttyreeoutdoors outside of flight control i know FIOCCHI has some pretty tight grouping rounds. But they’re a bit harder to find depending on the state you live in.
The overbore is supposed to make for better pattern performance, but I have not seen any amazing results with larger shot sizes. It kinda seems like it helps with turkey loads, bat that's about it so far
Something is wrong, either your box of ammo, your chokes, your chronograph, or all of the above. That has got to be the worse 40 yd. pattern of any choke tighter than an improved cylinder I have ever seen. In addition I have never seen buck shot with a velocity of less than 1100 fps. and you shot 9 pellet, there could be a case made if you had 12 pellet or a low recoil or home defense load but you have a hunting load there!!! I think you might want to try the test again with different manufactures of the shells, chokes and maybe even the chronograph. This can't be right.
I think its the box of shells. The shotgun, choke, and chrono have never given me issues, but we have tested another shell or two from this box in different setups with pretty much the same disappointing results. It's probably some kind of QC issue on Winchester's side
It's always possible, but I doubt it in this case. This performance seems to kinda be the norm for these shells from my experience as well as many others
Hi Matt , My 835 I am using a modified choke 2 3/4 000 8 pellet buckshot or 3in. 000 10 pellet . it's awesome everything's in a 14 inch circle 40 yd. It's a deer 🦌 killing machine brother !! I wanted a Buck kicker but The guys at Kicks choke said they didn't have one that would shoot that tight to use my modified.
I think I may have some 000 buck shells somewhere, so I'll have to look and see what I've got. I'm definitely curious what my setup would do with a shell and choke combo like that
I use the same settup with federal power shock 000 buck 2 and 3/4
The federal premium with flight control wad does the best
Those loads just aren’t very good to be honest. There’s no shot cup and the pellets are very soft lead, they deform upon firing. We use that exact setup, even down to the same model 835 and it does amazing with buckshot that’s loaded with a shotcup.
I still haven't seen any super great results from my 835, but I still want to get my hands on some of the loads with the flight control wad to see what they can do. I've had other people say the same about getting good results with their 835, so it has been rather surprising that I just haven't yet
Hey bud,
How tight of a choke you can put buckshot through partially depends on how it's loaded. Stacked by 2's can go through a tighter choke without deformation than stacked by 3's. Needless to say, there are other factors: 0.320" buck could go through a tighter choke than 0.330" buck, wad-grabber(ported) chokes don't play as nicely without a shot cup protecting the pellets, ect...
A good demonstration of this is people that put 0.380" or 0.375" buck stacked by 2's(max 12ga hull ID is about 0.760") through a 0.732" 12ga barrel and get good patterns. The pellets should be getting deformed in this scenario, but it seems like it's not enough to wreck the patterns.
Factory ammo over the last few years has been pure crap in every cartridge from every company. At best you get ripped off, at worst, it's dangerous. There are multiple accounts of this all over the web from all over the world. Now days it's just better to make your own because it's safer, you can customize it and work up loads, and you can get more precision(tighter patterns) for less cost per shot, and you're not constrained to whatever is available in stock. I appreciate that you test factory loads, because not everyone does roll their own, and it's helpful to the "average" shooter.
I have an 835 and so does a family member. Last fall I tested some factory loads in 28" barrels with 0.695" factory ported chokes. The Best was the Remington Express 9 pellet 00 buck at 62MOA (about 25" at 40yrds). I then worked up some very simple hand loads(first ones ever for shotgun). I used homemade 0.330" buck(true 00) and easily got 30MOA to 40MOA patterns(about 12" to 16" at 40yrds) in both guns. The components cost me about $0.75 a shot+ time and effort and equipment, the Remington Express was selling for $2.50 a shot at that time. So the gun and choke are fine, it's factory ammo that sucks.
This fall, I plan on doing a test on 0.380" buckshot(0000). I want to see what the smallest choke I can put it through is, before the pattern starts going to crap at 50yrds. I will be using the 835, smooth(non-ported) chokes from 0.765" working my way down to 0.680" in about 0.005" increments(the jump from size to size isn't perfectly 0.005" every time). Depending on how it goes, I'd like to repeat the test with other large buck to see if there is an equation for the optimal choke size(EX: 2(buck diameter) X 0.9 = best choke size). Hopefully I find something useful in the experiments.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
Thanks, that's a lot of good information. I'm gonna be doing a bunch more testing, so we will see what results I get. I doubt that I will ever get that in depth about it, but as you said, every little aspect can make a difference
@@matttyreeoutdoors Pretty much everything I know about shotgun stuff comes from Bubba Rountree Outdoors, Roger Atkins, The Shotgun Scientists, Buck and Slug Reloader, Psyko klown, Surviving Duck Season, and Taufledermouse. They're the ones doing all the hard work. If you haven't seen all of them, I'd take a look at their channels. Keep up the good work!
Very surprised to hear you aren’t getting good patterns with the 835. A few years ago I bought my 2 step sons each an 835 Turkey and I shoot the 935. I tried Buck Kickers, and a bunch of other chokes. I ended up with a Pure Gold 696. It wasn’t initially that great and I called the manufacturer. He was super and walked me through tightening up my patterns. He had the patent on the Mossberg .695 XFull turkey choke. We used rubbing compound on a drill to polish the barrel. He said EVERY 835/935 can use a polish to smooth extremely minute tool marks from manufacturing. This is not a honing process, this is to mirror polish the barrel and reduce friction. My guns would put 18 pellets in a 1 gallon milk jug at 40 yards with the Pure Gold 696 or Factory .695 Turkey choke.
I will bet your gun has some plastic wad built up on the barrel and that is the cause of your poor patterns.
Give it a shot! The turkey hunters 15 years ago before TSS would all polish a barrel to tighten patterns up. The process is very well detailed on many of the Turkey web groups.
It makes sense, but this 835 has always struggled with shot sizes larger than 4s. I'm pretty meticulous when it comes to cleaning, so I rarely pattern a shotgun that has a dirty barrel. This 835 has a mirror like finish in the barrel, but that doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't have very fine tooling marks. I may mess with polishing it at some point, but I'm just taking it for what it is for the time being
Bs! 18 pellets in a gallon milk jug at 40 yds is bs! I call 100 percent bs! Post a video of you doin that pls!
00 buckshot run good in my winchester 1200 with a patternmaster waterfowls choke.
I've done a lot of buckshot testing and I usually use a standard full when shooting buckshot. I've found my patterns are better than when I use a more open choke. I would like to see a test of Federal Flight Control through a full choke to see if you get the same results as me.
I'm definitely gonna do some testing with the flight control loads at some point soon
If they test with a 28 or 30" barrel, it would make difference with velocity but probably still not 1325.
Yeah, these shells just seem a little underwhelming
You not pickin up 300 fps with 2-3 or 4” of shotgun barrel sorry! This is not a rifle
These loads have been on sale at midwayusa.... this probably why
Yeah, they haven't been the greatest performers
@matttyreeoutdoors its a shame! Use to be able to rely on winchester for quality ammo. I'm leaning more federal these days for shotgun ammo. The last cases of winny I purchased were the steel waterfowl, and they seem to be alright. That was a couple of years back, though. I about purchased these duds today, but I figured I'd see if anyone had some recent reviews out. You saved me some heartache.
Hey Matt! I ordered the wrong threads on a kicks goblin thunder choke for the mossberg 835/935 threads would you want it for testing on the Chanel or maybe for a give away?
I'm actually working right now on setting up a way for people to start sending me things like chokes or ammo to test, so keep an eye out for when I get everything set up and you can absolutely send it in if you would like
Try a cylinder bore choke!
I definitely want to test it through some other chokes to see what it does
That is when you use flitecontrol or versatite wad loads.
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Did you mention how many yards away you’re patterning your shots at?
Yes, it is at 40 yards
@@matttyreeoutdoors outside of flight control i know FIOCCHI has some pretty tight grouping rounds. But they’re a bit harder to find depending on the state you live in.
It has to do because the barrel of 835 is overbored. You will not get the same results.
The overbore is supposed to make for better pattern performance, but I have not seen any amazing results with larger shot sizes. It kinda seems like it helps with turkey loads, bat that's about it so far
@@matttyreeoutdoors It also causes pressures to be lower, This will cause lower shot velocities.
Correct! Mossbergs have the most open constrictions in the shotgun industry
@@charlesdriggers199correct
Something is wrong, either your box of ammo, your chokes, your chronograph, or all of the above. That has got to be the worse 40 yd. pattern of any choke tighter than an improved cylinder I have ever seen. In addition I have never seen buck shot with a velocity of less than 1100 fps. and you shot 9 pellet, there could be a case made if you had 12 pellet or a low recoil or home defense load but you have a hunting load there!!! I think you might want to try the test again with different manufactures of the shells, chokes and maybe even the chronograph. This can't be right.
I think its the box of shells. The shotgun, choke, and chrono have never given me issues, but we have tested another shell or two from this box in different setups with pretty much the same disappointing results. It's probably some kind of QC issue on Winchester's side
You get lower velocity on everything you shoot because it’s a 835. It’s 10ga. (.774) specs. You lose good “obturation” gas escape’s around the load.
Bad box of 00 Bk...my opinion. 😮
It's always possible, but I doubt it in this case. This performance seems to kinda be the norm for these shells from my experience as well as many others
Yeah, that doesn't look too good! Lol!
Yeah, I was hoping for better out of this one