The weirdest thing about all of this is that nobody was screaming for Flight Sim 2024 in particular. If this game out in 2025 or even 2026, nobody would be angry.
Putting the release year in your title makes it hard to justify delaying the launch to another year, but yeah, games need to be in a much better state at launch than publishers are getting away with.
I'd be angry. If you wanna wait, you can and you'll have the same effect as a 2025 release. If you're fine with a beta release, you now have the choice to buy 2024 instead of 2020.
They believed people would buy the game no matter what state it was in at release, so they had no reason to push the release back. And they were right, everyone bought it. That's the reality of today's gaming industry. Release a game that isn't ready, people buy it anyway, then slowly fix it over the coming years. Then release the next unfinished game and do it all over again. I'm to blame as much as anyone; I fully knew it what state it was in and bought it anyway. All that really does is give them the OK to release the next game in a bad state too.
@@HarperLylia I think Asobo and Microsoft should have been prepared. Surely they had an idea of how many people were going to buy it and have provided much better bigger servers.
This exact same thing happened with the release of MSFS2020. Servers went down and when people were able to download the game everyone complained because they couldn't play it on their pc, lol. In 6 months from now everyone will like it like they did the first edition.
@@ELPaso1990TXit could be the same reason AWS exist today. Amazon built their servers to handle everyday traffic but when the holiday hit they had to beef it up. Since Peek demand is small in contrast to daily they started selling AWS service. I think MS figures once the initial hype train has left the station things will settle down. That, IMO, is narrow minded thinking. However, like so many of you I Chaulk the money spent as “Well, a waste of money!”. Have only opened it once since the install. This is a total fail for MS.
There are 2 main problems they need to address IMO, 1. stop encrypting default airplane assets as it prevent modders from improving the planes and even creating liveries. 2 bring back manual caching and prioritizing local files before streaming them from the cloud. These 2 things would already improve the sim.
Absolutely this. But they totally need to improve the manual caching interface and its limits. It was beyond terrible at least early on. Took ages to set up, took ages to load only to then find the fact that the supposed like 10 Gigs shrank down to a few Megs and basically nothing changed. I do have hope they'll re-implement that, though. In the marketplace, all the things I got are flagged as "streamed" - which implies that there would be other options at some point as well.
This in my opinion is the most important change that they need to make. At least give us the option to download the assets and make them available to mod.
They got rid of manual caching? crazy. my most used feature. I have 1Gb connection with unlimited bandwidth, but I'd rather load it from my NVME. This may be game breaking for me. I'll wait
I wonder if they will eventually allow you to start caching location data, I big reason they went streaming this time around was because of how many people were complaining about to 200GB files-size of 2020. But a good compromise would be to allow the user to set a data cache limit and download area's they frequent in.
@@kegaran2365 It does this already, there's a rolling cache and you can set the size to be as large as you like. The only thing that's not present right now is the ability to manually cache regions ahead of time.
I've been this way for console sports games for decades and it has saved me a lot of patience and money, however the problem with waiting for them to fix a game like MSFS 2024 is the shelf life of the game is limited to how long they run the servers for so the longer you wait, that is less time you will be able to play in the long run. I do not like online only games for this reason.
The reason why games are released in an unfinished state is because people rush out to buy it. Too many gamer simps. If everyone was like us, games would be 99% finished on launch.
That's not really what happened. Most of the issues were server-side. There are some annoying bugs here and there but they are inconsistent and it varies from person to person.
Can you name an massive online multiplayer game that launched well? I can't. I can't even think of one that I wasn't forced to spend half the day checking server status updates or experiencing constant crashes. I don't think "Good launch" is a norm we can ever get too. Games are too big and too complicated, and so many people have so many different system configurations, many of whom just know enough to plug in a new GPU, but haven't updated a single driver in their computer in 3 years.
And this is not the infuriating part it’s the people on Reddit saying it’s you not the game !! Like I got 500 mbps connection and the hardware to match and yet I’m still getting performance lower than 2020! Wtf !! The bottom line is streaming sucks!!!!!
IKR. Could only have been worse if it was a Quadruple A game. And yes, Ubisoft: I am looking at you! Bottom line: The Less As it is, the bette the launch!
@@skydriver5709 yeah thisis a lame excuse.. The game is garbage and it’s on life-support if those developers did not intervene within optimal time it will die a slow death and it will bring down the whole franchise with it just like how the same thing happened with SimCity…
The visuals don't matter if the game is broken. I've been doing career mode, and so much is broken. The helicopter training was bugged for me where the game would not let me progress. I'm constantly having issues with the radio not working, or entering a continuous loop. I just want to play a functioning game.
I did a 4 hour flight yesterday in career mode with the C208. The turbulence was so bad for the full 4 hours I was amazed it didn't crash. Until the landing, where 20' off th3 ground I was getting so much wind it was uncontrollable and I crashed, dropping my reputation from mid A to D. Then I un-installed to return to 20.
@@seanomatopoeia same... without uninstalling part. Mission generation is just straight up broken, asks me to climb to 20 000 feet in cesna 172... crosswind component on landing was >23. Runways with trees planeted on both ends. Tornado mission obliterating your score. And of course, fuel management is broken completely which seams to be the easiest system to implement...
I’m just doing free flight and just floored flying through canyon or Sedona or landing on snow covered peaks north of telluride , yea my helicopter training is stuck on 2nd training flight but who cares I can fly the helicopters well enough . Having a blast and think it’s beautiful and with frame gen mod works great on my mobile 3080ti and i9 12900hx
Yup me too. I couldn't progress pass the first lesson on helicopters and career mode I run out of fuel where I can't change the fuel level at the start of the mission. You get any kind of head wind, you're crashing or landing in a field...and your level status takes a huge hit.
@@chuck7299 me too and I will not be buying it. I’d rather wait a few years for a next generation MSFS simulator rather than a less than mediocre stop gap.
What REALLY shocked me, was that most of the world map is STILL from 2014… No change whatsoever. There are buildings all over my city that were torn down or renovated many years ago, and yet, there they are still in this game… It’s like, what exactly did they change from 2020? Because I can’t notice ANY improvements so far.
That's odd cause they have the new hospital showing in my town that was built just in the last couple years. They also have a large area that was clear cut in the woods in this particular spot that was shown correctly where as flight sim 2020 showed it was all treed still. I was really surprised since I read some comments from people saying there was no map updates.
I see a lot of improvements in msfs2024. It definitely had a difficult launch, but since a few days it becomes better and better, which keeps my hopes up.
omg, its actually impressive that the AI voices can get WORSE When he said something about the AI voices being downgraded, i was like "Ohhh, maybe thats why the AI voices in my game are so god awful". Then he played a clip...was not expecting that 💀
had same hopeful reaction the yt short voice is so annoying. I get that they struggle with names of places but even the procedure calls are barely recognizible the way the are split up "EchoDeltaDeltaMikeTrafficCessnaSierraPapa __________ MikeNovemberOscar taxi via runway _________ Tree(sic) Four"
yep, this is effectively paid early access to MSFS 2025 in all but name. Buy hey, cashflow is king. I'm so glad that I did the £1 gamepass trial for 2 weeks to test it and realise what bag of shite it is....currently.
At least. I doubt we’ll ever see every single issue resolved. Even things that are “working” like character creator and dialog are so half-assed that it feels like a sham to even call those features complete.
The bandwidth issues are fixed? No, they are not! I often get the message "low bandwidth" and then the download rate, according to the task manager, goes below 1 MBit/s. This mostly happens between 19:00 an 22:00 CET.
Having the same problem. That's a major problem. Playing after work is almost impossible due to the "low bandwidth". I tested several times my internet speed and there wasn't such problems from my internet connection. It disappoints me the most not being able to play in "primetime". If i check it during noon there was never such a problem...
I’m on east coast USA close to all the data servers in Ashburn VA and I’ve been loading in quick and it’s been working flawlessly , not sure if my proximity to these servers has anything to do with it
So glad I scheduled my shoulder replacement surgery for the week before launch. No chance I could even attempt to play, so no disappointment. By the time I can even get into my sim rig MOST of these issues will hopefully be fixed. 😮
Things haven't improved massively. This game is an absolute mess, server issues aside. Career is unusable, most of the EFB functions don't work, cockpit lighting on displays is bad, passengers walking next to the plane while flying, performance is all over the place, and a myriad of other issues. This thing was not QA tested and absolutely not ready for launch.
These massive game corporations really put Quality Control in the dogshed, when it should be the priority of any computer game developed. It's ridiculous that you spend $70 for a game that doesn't even work at launch!
@@jamenta2 I wish we could go back to physical releases where it was important that the game worked on launch. It’s given them the ability to be lazy and not do thorough quality control since they can just push patches easily instead of having to get it right the first time
Big mistakes made: 1. Simultaneous XBOX and PC launches. PC should have released first, get the big bugs out then port those changes to XBOX. That would have vastly relieved the server issues. 2. Lack of a beta test of the release candidate. A full week of user betas testing would have found a lot of these issues and they could be crushed before full release. Big big mistakes that has cost Microsoft dearly.
@@slade8212 > I wish we could go back to physical releases where it was important that the game worked on launch. And still some games hadn't (and we might not even have gotten any patches because for most publishers issuing game disks was "publish and forget" kind of deal). The "good old days" were not as good as some old farts claimed them to be.
A.I. Assist ('A.I. Pilot') is completely missing from MSFS 2024. No toggle to turn on the A.I. Pilot. Not there. Gone. This is game-breaking for me, and many others who simply enjoyed flying about looking at the world, and also for players with disabilities who found 'A.I. Pilot' an invaluable aid. This omission is baffling.
@@Fjoergyn1199 - I understand that, but the point is that in MSFS 2020 the player could choose to skip past all that and just toggle a switch. For some of us, this was ideal. A simple, optional solution.
@whophd if you plan on using the ai pilot, your starting on the landing strip anyway. Why starting parked, with you're not interested in the Sim? Personally I start on the landing strip as well.
Career mode is still such a mess of bugs. From minor things, like unavoidable dings for over-speed with flaps (even though your're standing still), giving taxi paths across runways (with no way to announce), not showing etc... or major issues, like telling you to taxi to point where you must crash your plane, or insurance not working and paying out... The game can really hurt to play.
fuel management taking money but not working in sim, missions geving you cruise altitude above your airctraft operational limits. broken airports with trees growing on the runway, crazy winds despite game claiming that the weather is good before starting the mission.
Idk about other people but I’ve noticed that flaps 10* shows on the flap handle as basically zero, and then flaps 30* shows on the flap handle as 20*. Once I realized that my flaps most of the time were already at 10* without realizing I just got in the habit of always keying flaps up before flaps down
A lot of the my missing stuff was added today. My favorite bug so far is when at the start of a mission it placed my fixed wing aircraft on a helipad out in the ocean!
Did they ever fix that ridiculous thing from FS2020 when you set your altitude at a custom departure, but it just ignores it anyway? And your plane spawns in at some crazy altitude like FL420, warnings blaring, TOGA LK and flapping around like a bucking bronco ride? I never managed to work around that. No idea what even caused it.
My main gripe about the current state of the game is the fact that the photogrammetry (particularly for cities like london, new york and LA) are really outdated and trees too dense and similar in look. I remember the previous MSFS looking amazing after all the world updates, and now it looks really basic again. I'm guessing their servers arent streaming the world updates in 2024? And yes, ive had a few issues with runways being on immense inclines and rocks being in the way, but given that it's simulating the entire world at 1:1 scale, i cant complain about minor things like that. Just hope they fix the photogrammetry / world updates as cities look worse than they used to.
This is my biggest issue visually the game looks worse than 2020 because of the poor photogrammetry I was very excited for this game but it seems like almost worse than 2020 was
It's the first full scale run of the server tech and people are surprised there are problems. They knew this would happen and that why they didn't load it down with content first
So true. Bought the Limited from Aerosoft and was having lots of popcorn and good laughs watching the $#!+show going on with the entire internet burning. Getting mine in a week or two, but got a 14 day 1€ Game Pass today. Gotten from the download button into the menu with having the character created in less than an hour, with the character creation taking up almost half of the time, simply because I wanted to have something decent right away.
Ya tell that to people on the reddit flight sim forum and they will tell you every reason to buy it now but then complain it later on when its not finished... I remember when 2020 was released and saw how crappy it was. They finally got it up to a good state then they released it on xbox and messed it up again...I was planning on playing it on gamepass only. Im not spending all that money again.
"this is not the launch experience we want for our players" is such a weird statement. Even ignoring the server issues - which we really should not, but for the sake of argument, this game is not ready for launch. Did you "intend" for all the other issues to magically stop existing? You can't tell me that problems *this* severe did not come up in testing. Was it intended to launch without control templates? - that alone should have been a blocking problem. This sim needs at least another year of development time, which is sadly in line with most AAA releases these days. Pre-orders turn a profit, so stop trying and just release for short term cash. I was really hoping it would not turn out like this. I really wanted to play the sim they promised us. Still, can't say that I'm surprised about what we got.
Disappointing release but otherwise it’s been awesome for me. Love career mode and have only had a few frustrating bugs so far. Overall I think your conclusion is spot on. Great game with huge potential, will be awesome to see it grow. I think the hate about career mode and gamification is misplaced. Obviously it would be nice if you could explicitly make career more realistic with settings, but either way you can play it like a hardcore sim or play it like a game. It’s meant to be accessible and it’s working, because I have friends who know nothing about real flying and are playing career mode and learning. Not every flight sim has to be incredibly hardcore, and I think this one has the reach to be both a game and a good simulation (once some of the bugs are addressed). And I have to assume people saying it doesn’t look better than 20 are getting bad loading and low-res textures. When it’s working (majority of the time for me now), this is by far one of the most beautiful and realistic looking games I have ever played.
I think the hate from career mode has been coming from some pretty atrocious bugs that ruins the experience for people. I've not had game breaking ones yet, but I've had some pretty damn annoying ones, so I'll probably put the game on hold for a month or two
@ I’ve had a couple game breaking ones, but it’s only ever been so bad that I just aborted and didn’t do the mission. I see a lot of complaining about the small bugs like the flap penalties and stuff but those don’t actually take that much away in terms of score and I don’t understand why they’re so annoyed by it. IMO it’s all incredibly easy to work around, but maybe I just got lucky with the airports and missions I’m choosing.
Game finally took a crap for me a week in. Flawless for 7 full days. Career mode won't let me do VIP runs. Cannot progress past short haul cargo flights in a C 172. Similar to the reason I stopped playin FS20
I use the Map Enhancement mod for MSFS2020. As a (mostly) airliner pilot, I'll be honest in saying that I don't see much of a difference between the two versions. That's probably why the team on the MS Flight Sim forums block any mention of it. I think I'll stick with FS2020 until Microsoft removes the online requirements for flight sim. I understand we can't download the entire world, but I have 2TB of storage for Flight Sim. I want the choice of using that storage for the CORE game and any additional addons.
You are going to need a lot more than 2TB storage if you want the full experience offline though. We are talking at least two petabytes of data. What I agree with is that they could have put more stuff locally as an option, such as plane- and scenery models etc.
You’re correct I want the same thing. I want to download the essentials and the things that make the game work just like in 2020 but the idiots here in the comments think that you just want to download all of planet Earth like please guys please read before speaking we want parts of the same to be downloaded so we can avoid interruptions as much as possible and don’t forget that 2020 has streaming to, but not to this preposterous extent
@@slizzy418 The Photogrammetry of the same size cached area you might play in 2020, would require as much as 16x more cache space in 2024. That's how massive the visual improvements are, and what it took to actually add rocks, grass, flowers, animals, pebbles around a lake, rather than a texture painted carpet.
I had a miserably long ride on the bumpiest taxiway known to man to reach the runway and the game decided it was a good idea to spawn a whole town in the middle of the runway making it impossible to takeoff. That's the only game breaking bug I have experienced so far.
For me, search and rescue missions where you're expected to land near the stranded person to pick them up, but the ground is covered with bushes and large rocks making it impossible not to crash, fail the mission, and have to spend $50,000 b/c insurance only covered 80% of the total on your $400,000 plane.
On FS2020 ATC told me to take a certain taxiway - which was inexplicably not flat and in a dip. 747 fell into the hole and I "collided with an object". That's not my fault, give me a break.
Server capacity problems have been resolved because 25% of customers gave up and requested a refund or put the game aside and another 15% have been unable to launch the game. CW Lemoine said on his video he is unable to play the game on his PC.
This game is almost unusable for VR users. If you used a Pimax Crystal VR headset at native resolution with an RTX 4080 GPU on low graphics settings, you could hit 40-60 fps in MSFS 2020. In 2024 those low graphics settings with the same hardware at the same resolution, your framerate is HALF of 2020 with about 15-25 fps and the game looks worse than 2020 did at low graphics. The only way to make it somewhat playable is to use Ultra Performance DLSS and reduce the headset to 75 HZ so frame generation will kick in when the game barely hits 37.5 fps. And of course this turns the game into a blurry and artifact-filled mess.
To my eyes it looks vastly better than FS2020 and there are comparison videos showing it. It's not just the close up textures, it's the lighting which is much closer to reality. Flying around London, I found the scenery much improved, although I haven't played since the last UK world update so it could have been that. It also ran really well on a Quest 3 first attempt.
I think it's hit and miss imo. The areas I've tested look more realistic and true to the actual locations in 2020 with the latest world updates. London especially imo back to back has far too many trees in 2024. But 2024 has room to improve as it develops.
My biggest disappointment is the VR mode. It's still incredible, visually, in the same way the previous game was, but the experience ranges from frustrating to outright broken. Having the headset fight with your other inputs as a cursor is a pain, and theres no way to use the EFB tablet, unless the plane you're flying has a physical mount for it, and unfortunately things like the flight plan have moved to inside of this. Them saying "VR mode will be treated like a platform" is looking like a bit of a joke right now.
The problem was that they had a perfectly fine platform with MSFS to build on, but instead they decided to release a new platform, and then attach a number to it that set the release window in stone, so even if it was woefully unfinished, they HAD to release it before that arbitrary number got a bit out-of-date.
This is the sort of nonsense that led to the North America video game crash in the 1980s. Thankfully Europe survived that. And today's indie market will help us survive again. AAA gaming is absolute toilet right now, everything is released broken.
I am sticking with FS2020 for now until the childhood illness issues are resolved: I think MS and Asobo have created another great simulator, but should have waited before releasing it.
The career mode was the biggest change to the sim I believe and it’s sad they didn’t take the time to actually check everything to verify it works. This sim was released at least 6 months too early. It doesn’t look enough different to me to just have to make the jump. Not looking forward to having to remap everything and things just not working. My 2020 looks and performs just fine. And my ATc and traffic works fantastic. Hopefully sometime next year, it will be good enough for everyone to use.
I live in a rather rural part of germany and therefore don't have the fastest internet on the planet. I get about 50-60 Mbit at most which is enough for everything. Yet even after 40 minutes of flying the world still hasn't loaded in and landing at an airport made of clay really isn't a lot of fun. So yeah, unless my provider gives me fibre or microsoft gives me the option to download the game properly I guess I won't be playing this anymore anytime soon.
In addition to what was mentioned, in the career mode: -in some aircraft, you can't extend flaps, even when standing still, otherwise your performance ranking takes a hit for "exceeding maximum speed" -the hold short hint box is sometimes on the wrong side of the hold short line so when you stop where it wants you to, your performance ranking takes a hit -on some small airfields, the "taxiways" overlap the runway a little bit, so when you taxi as instructed, your performance ranking takes a hit for entering runway without clearance -in skydiving missions at least with the 172, the guide gates are completely useless because if you follow them you'll get a bad ranking for taking too long, but you can't turn them off (there is an option to do so in the settings but it doesn't work in career mode) -also sometimes in the skydiving missions they won't tell you the target altitude so you just kinda have to guess or wait til it appears in the objective list but at that point its kinda late -(although this is probably not a bug) the night certification is pointless, i have hundreds of missions available around the world, not a single one of them happens at night, and as far as i know you can't set a custom time of day in the career
-You can turn off all gates/objective markers - I have it mapped to a button. -Later on you get to have real-time weather and can move timeslider back 12 hours...so you can do all missions at night or in IFR.
I’m on Xbox SX and I still can’t get the mouse to work at all. This is a game killer for me. A new sim that looks great but I can’t fly is crap. This is what it feels like when the Grinch steals your Xmas present. I’ve gone back to 2020 until they fix it, if they fix it.
The voices sound robotic even when it isn't using local console voices. It's like they're using Microsoft Bob. Not to mention the pilot models all look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
I know it has issues, but I played yesterday (bought it yesterday) and had a blast with it. No performance issues aside from some minor loading stutters once you enter the map, then it ran flawless with everything in Ultra using DLSS @4K res, with a Ryzen 3900X, 32GB RAM, RTX 3080Ti installed in a Corsair MP600 Pro XT NVMe M2 SSD (2TB). I have a 1GB/s network (up & down) and that could make a difference when it comes to actual streaming of details and such, because watching other people playing I saw a lot of stutters in mid flight and textures loading and pop-ins, etc. I had not a single issue with that kind of stuff at all. Then yeah, there are bugs with the pilots, some planes had some textures that change colours, etc, minor stuff that could be patched. Not saying anything else or that the people that has issues is wrong, that is my own experience only. Have that in mind. Still have a lot of stuff to try, test and see...and maybe I'll see issues here and there as others for sure. Yet the game looks awesome and even while not being as Hardcore as DCS (better physics and realism overall, more interactions and proper gameplay elements), but is beautiful to look at and just fly around the world.
Here's a thing for you: The R-66 model by Carenado, the main rotorblades turn the wrong way. The should rotate counterclockwise but they turn clockwise but, hey, at least the fixed the tail rotor animation on the H125.
@@beardedlonewolf7695they need to redesign the fuel/payload page. It doesn't even show you MTOW or Useful load. Not having this information is gunna be a major problem for neofly or air hauler players.
if they had released it as a early access, all of a sudden, pretty much all issues the game had and still has, would not have been as bad and reviews would not be nearly as bad as they currently are, simply because of the "early access" mark, a lot of people would elect to wait and they would have had less initial players to flood and overload the servers, would probably still have been bad, but not as bad as it was, they would have more time to beef up their servers to handle current and future players, and importantly, any flaws would easily have been overlooked since it would be a early access and issues is to be expected, the comunity would have been way more forgiving.
Outside of server issues, there were just a lot of questionable decisions. One example is getting rid of the score breakdowns for landing challenge. Instead of getting a score for how soft, how close to centerline, and how close to touch down point, we get one total score and that's it. No breakdown, no way to see what you messed up.
The biggest problem for me right now is the aliasing and the loading times of graphics (if they load at all), this is very immersion breaking. Playing in a Series X btw
I disagree…is very lifelike as you need to wait about an hour to get to your nearest airport…and once you get there there’s a chance you won’t e able to fly due to demand. So IGN 7/10 “very true to life “
I can't help but think the developers shot themselves in the foot by including "2024" in the title. It clearly wasn't ready for release and the rush to get it out before year's end has predictably backfired. Regardless of the launch problems, where I live the technology's simply not reliable enough to risk spending a minimum of £70 on a game that apparently relies so totally on cloud connection.
The more I fly in it, the more swept away I am by the beautiful graphics. Doeing the packaged flight over Yosimite was wonderful, and being caught between cloud layers after taking off from Santa Barbara headed upt San Simione was beautiful, and the Hearst Mansion was incredibaly detailed. Everywhere I look, I see depth that was simply not present in 2020. Devils Tower is anotehr example. It is full of bugs though, but it can be quite stunning.
It is a beautiful environment, apart from the big tiles of low ress areas which break the immersion. With only 40 mbs broadband on a good day, its looking like myself and others have wasted money
When it works, it's a night and day improvement. Key part, "when it works"... I travel overseas frequently and stable internet is not a hallmark of most of my worksites so the cloud based aspect kills my ability to use the sim. I'd be 100% on board if there was an ability to voluntarily download the data vs have to stream it constantly.
Far from night and day. It's basically the same game except most features are bugged to hell. Other than some lighting and hand crafted terrain, it's the same game.
I agree regarding the FS2024 visuals, Ant. Although they're not the quantum leap that FS2020 was, they are nevertheless a noticeable improvement. Graphically, the jump from FSX to FS2020 was comparable to that of going from VHS to DVD - mind-blowing at the time. Whereas the visual differences between FS2020 and FS2024 are more akin to the jump from DVD to Blu-Ray - not revolutionary, but a noticeable improvement nonetheless.
I mean... If you look at the year at which FSX launched (2006) and at which FS2020 launched, it would be sad if there would be no huge difference in these 14 years. The overall technology has jumped quite a bit too over that time. Whereas between FS2020 and FS2024 launch there are only 4 years. So, expecting the same outcome with FS2024 is honestly quite unrealistic. Saying that, since the server issues have been overall improved by Microsoft over the last few days, iam enjoying FS2024 a lot and am very hopeful how it will improve even more over time.
After a few years on 2020, I am out entirely until a new developer takes control. Asobo don't know how planes fly, or even handle on the ground. This is generally quite important for a flight sim.
I picked up a copy a few days ago - a few minor bugs and only one crash after 10hrs or so of playing. I use a Ryzen 5900X 3070 RTX and 64GB RAM and the sim on a combination of HIgh and Ultra settings is much better than I was expecting. Impressed with the lighting and ground detail upgrades, so actually quite happy overall.
I was excited to hear they were bringing in the more "game-like" features that I enjoyed from Microsoft Flight years ago. At least this time around they have been far more transparent about their efforts to fix the issues.
no issues here at all, smooth install, download, very fluent on ultra settings. sure not all is great right now, but for me the best sim ever and will be in the future. cheers
How are you able to setup your controls ! Been an absolute nightmare trying to get the alpha and bravo to work correctly . FS2024 also broke FS2020 for me so I can't even use FS2020 anymore
@ since today I noticed the sim is reverting back spme hotas profile settings, so I have to adjust these profiles with my vkb sticks everytime I start a new session. I have not tried my bravo throttle yet but there is some good tutorials out there Hope they fix these control issues soon. You are right it’s annoying right now…
@@pauperslament3467 Because different people have different kinds of PC setup and maintenance discipline. This reinforces the idea that most of the bugs are setup specific, as the game specific bugs (like MSFS2020's weather systems hiccups or NVidia drivers compatibility issues) tend to manifest more universally.
I've had so many strange and stupid bugs in this new one, especially career mode. Spawning in lakes to immediately get a "oops you crashed" message, landing on the runway I was directed to only to get a message saying it was the wrong landing zone, some missions just seem to load infinitely and won't let me even attempt. Still no sounds from seemingly any single engine prop plane despite multiple reinstallations. I was so excited to see the new missions and stuff, but what's the point when they can't be played?
If you're buying a game on the day of release, you're not a player, you're a games tester. I appreciate all the time, and money these game testers spend getting the games up to snuff so they feel feature complete, and also priced its true value when they do put out the final release version (GOTY Edition).
@@underleft I'm not. I making a point. People need to stop buying games on day one until companies earn that trust back. Streamers and content creators are the ones normalizing it. In the rush for being first and getting views, companies can count on a large quantity of people to buy the game no matter what. Don't get mad at me for pointing it out. It's already normalized. There is no pushback from streamers, and little pushback from gamers. Streamers buy the game and use it as a business expense, consumers buy on hype. There is only a very small group of people that have integrity and are not buying in.
I got my money back. First, I'm part of an apparently tiny sliver of the market who loved Bush Trips and was very disappointed to see them gone. Second, I assumed the new code base, utilizing multithreading and multiple CPU cores would run at least as well on my less-than-optimal system as did FS2020, but I was badly mistaken. I fly in VR all the time on 2020 . It would not come close to running in 2024. CTD within seconds. I'll upgrade my system, give them some time to debug, and try again in the Spring.
For me, it’s all over the place. Things like the fleet of realistic AI aircraft models and ground handling are big improvements. Photogrammetry hasn’t been improved much. Few cities have higher resolution, but it’s still very limited in coverage and many cities/towns still have 2014 ground and low res rendering. Bummer. I’d much rather have a sim that requires a beefy PC with a lot of SSD storage and looks flat out amazing with a few fantastic aircraft builds than one that goes all in on streaming, aircraft numbers and accessibility.
Not complicated. 1) They tried to get free press from, "Too many people playing because it's so great!" by throttling access to their server. 2) They released an unfinished product with lots of placeholder content like AI voice actor and partial career mode.
I don’t think the AI stuff is a placeholder. They’re clearly leveraging AI for making “infinite” number of missions. And I assumed partial career mode was always planned so they could continue adding to it over time. It was never incredibly clear what parts of career would be available on launch
Theres no way to finish a game like this without having a full scale run on your server side tech, and theres no reason to load the game down with untested content youd have to rework when you're unsure of the base performance. They handled the launch poorly but the game is where it should be in my opinion
What especially adds to my disappointment is that I was able to get into the Sim a few times, and I loved it. The first time, it took me two days to get in. The graphics are overwhelming. That was six days ago, and it has not let me back in since. Knowing what I am missing while we wait for a stable sim adds to the pain, eh?
I've had almost no issues on my end, neither have the two friends I've been flying with. Only 2 crashes (the second one was because I tried to repeat the action in the EFB that caused it before submitting a bug report). Load times have been great, FPS very stable, textures have been good, flight model has been working well. The airports I've been flying out have have also been rather solid, except for my local airport that has a small issue with the taxi path for Runway 8, but if you follow the IRL correct one, the game accepts it as correct. Just a mostly smooth experience so far. Sucks that it's so inconsistent though. But maybe that can give people a bit of hope that the issues are mostly straight forward to resolve, since they don't seem to affect everyone, and will just take a bit of time for them to get the experience consistent for all players.
My only wish for FS2024 was for it to have normal sized trees unlike the stupidly tall trees you got in FS2020 which they still have not fixed, but wait hold your beer! in FS2024 you now have massive ridiculously tall trees the height of skyscrapers!!!!
I like so many have paid a "Lot of money" for an unplayable game with unplayable content on the Xbox Series X, I've essentially wasted my time & hard-earned money on a game still unplayable days after launch. I left a comment the other day asking for a Video about the state of play with MFS 2024 highlighting the many, many faults thank you
Humble suggestion for Microsoft/Asobo: Stop naming the simulator by year. Call it MSFS 11, MSFS 12, MSFS 12.1, etc. This simple step avoids altogether the need to rush to the market an unfinished product just because we're approaching the end of the year that names the product.
I can’t stand career mode, the bugs, the annoying cringe “passengers” that fly with you, etc. It’s the bugs though, the game is a mess. It’s like playing a beta, and on the Series X it looks pretty rough.
Who remembers flight sim 2004 where 2 most exciting activities were flying through barns and experiencing the Wright brothers plane? Anyone? If you told me 20 years from then that we'd have this sim and be able to explore the world in high detail outside the aircraft I would have laughed at you. I was 8 when that came out but it started a passion that brings me here. I'm interested in hearing what sparked your love and passion for aviation
Listen homies, it’s 2024 of course this was going to happen. I know that doesn’t mean it’s right, it’s the unfortunate reality of gaming in today’s world. You all could have used game pass to try it out, and if it didn’t work to your standards just use the game pass to play something else and come back at a later date. Who the fuck preorders games these days???
This is exactly why I opt out of day one purchase and participation. A little patience goes a long way to keep my interest in the long run. Better to wait for the bugs to be ironed out and the price to drop to make the initial experience positive and encourage continued enjoyment.
You know I can accept a lot of excuses, but in 2024, being caught off guard by ‘overwhelming interest’ on AAA titles, is not one of them. The launch was a disaster, their planning was a sham and they deserve every negative review they received.
I played this game without reading any reviews, I’ve had some weird bugs, and it messed up a bit of my career mode, but I will say that I’ve been kinda hooked on it as someone who loves flight
Lee Iacocca, the CEO of Chrysler in the 80's once said the best way to see if a car is ready for the market is to put it in the market. That obviously didn't work in FS24's case!
I acquired a new kinda up to date PC few months ago and switched from my trusty ol' X Plane 11 to MSFS 2020. I was in awe of the visual quality and the choice of planes on the marketplace. I immediatly bought Blacksquare's TBM 850 and Simworks Kodiak and fell in love with these two airframes. I even bought rudder pedals nad a Yoke so I can enjoy it the most. Sadly with the release of MSFS 2024 and all that surround it makes me want to try out X Plane 12 and see if I will go back home yet again...
People dont remember how it was when WoW released new add ons. Waiting in line to get onto a server for 8 hours only to crash out after 20 min of playing.
Once past the install, I have had nothing but problems. 1) It seems to think I am always flying a helicopter, and atc only lists helipad airports. 2) During one ifr flight atc was telling me to increase altitude all the way up to over 200000 feet in a TBM. 3) It keeps putting me in the back seat of the DA42 in vr. 4) Dynamic frame rate seems to do nothing to keep my framerate fixed where i want it. 4) Every long flight has ended in an application crash before landing. Other than that it has been great.
So many of these issues could be fixed if they just give us the option to download content locally if we choose. Its definitely good to have the cloud streaming option available for people with limited space, but for those of us with terabytes and terabytes of secondary harddrives for whom space isn't an issue, just let us download the planes and regions we plan to use a lot.
I think the old adage is fitting here: _”the early birds get the worms”_ This is why I’m never an early adopter, especially with such a complex game as this where _everyone_ and their mother will be trying to log-in. Y’all can be bug testers, thanks…..I’ll give it a year or two.
I was stuck in que on the day of release, but a few hours later (in the evening PST) I was able to get in and haven't seen that que since. I never had the loading screen problem. Career mode def has some bugs. The start HQ for your pilot is often times in the middle of a field (not a good one, either), or your plane is stuck between two buildings. This can be remedied by resetting Career mode which does NOT delete your progress. I was stuck in a lumpy field trying to obtain my PPL and had to reset, much to my chagrin. Fortunately, it didn't delete my progress, I was able to choose another starting airport, and was able to go straight to Certification. The biggest bug I'm seeing is after playing for a while, perhaps a couple hours, the game will start chopping. Restarting the game remedies this, sometimes going back to the main menu and going back to what you were doing will remedy this. Def needs to be fixed tho. The second issue I have is a lot of the time in flight, keys won't work. Buttons on my HOTAS won't work. Also needs fixing, quick. Other than that it's performing really well on my system, which is a Core Ultra 7 265KF, 48GB RAM, MSI Super RTX 4080 Expert.
seeing a flight sim get the forbbiden "release now, fix later" treatment is really unfortunate. Then again FS2020 got the same issues on release, abiet for different reasons. imo whenever Asobo & Microsoft release a new flight sim, it's best to wait a year or two before you get to play it. That a way you won't have issues just a miniute or less after you bought it
For me: 1. Streamed content - no modding to aircraft, can't disable default scenery for better ones, blurry cockpit texture 2. DX12 - excessive use of VRAM, I ran with 3070 which has 8G, not the best but surely enough. But as VRAM ran out the fps stuttered horribly 3. UI - use of animation means flight preparation is slow, it's also difficult to choose your desired livery as the option requires a lot more clicks. The menu also load the aircraft in as you change livery which is a complete waste of resources 4. Jetways - as they move on to widebody aircraft, I fully expect them to support multiple jetways. The last time I had multiple jetways is back in P3D v5, quite a shame.
you didn't mention the sim-breaking cockpit view bug that resets to the previous plane's default view any time you switch planes in a single play session
A very balanced and objective look at the sim. I look forward to your analysis of the dev live stream when it hits. One comment I will make is that Jorg's initial warm and fuzzy comments at the start of the "explanation" stream were way off the mark and he did not read the room at all. Starting out by saying what a great product it was just fell flat and was grating right off the start. He lost a lot of cred with that comment alone.
The weirdest thing about all of this is that nobody was screaming for Flight Sim 2024 in particular. If this game out in 2025 or even 2026, nobody would be angry.
Putting the release year in your title makes it hard to justify delaying the launch to another year, but yeah, games need to be in a much better state at launch than publishers are getting away with.
I'd be angry.
If you wanna wait, you can and you'll have the same effect as a 2025 release.
If you're fine with a beta release, you now have the choice to buy 2024 instead of 2020.
They believed people would buy the game no matter what state it was in at release, so they had no reason to push the release back. And they were right, everyone bought it. That's the reality of today's gaming industry. Release a game that isn't ready, people buy it anyway, then slowly fix it over the coming years. Then release the next unfinished game and do it all over again. I'm to blame as much as anyone; I fully knew it what state it was in and bought it anyway. All that really does is give them the OK to release the next game in a bad state too.
That's very true. But im having a blast with career mode. Its so good. Although, the bugs and graphical glitches need to be fixed
4:29 using a smoker with medical conditions..
"Don't worry! Everyone stopped playing so the server capacity issues have been resolved!"
@@HarperLylia I think Asobo and Microsoft should have been prepared. Surely they had an idea of how many people were going to buy it and have provided much better bigger servers.
This exact same thing happened with the release of MSFS2020. Servers went down and when people were able to download the game everyone complained because they couldn't play it on their pc, lol. In 6 months from now everyone will like it like they did the first edition.
Steam player count dropped from peak of 10600 to lows of 3000
Ant all I wanted was the whole game engine on my computer and them to stream me the tiles I can see and for my PC to keep those tiles for next flight
@@ELPaso1990TXit could be the same reason AWS exist today. Amazon built their servers to handle everyday traffic but when the holiday hit they had to beef it up. Since Peek demand is small in contrast to daily they started selling AWS service. I think MS figures once the initial hype train has left the station things will settle down. That, IMO, is narrow minded thinking. However, like so many of you I Chaulk the money spent as “Well, a waste of money!”. Have only opened it once since the install. This is a total fail for MS.
There are 2 main problems they need to address IMO, 1. stop encrypting default airplane assets as it prevent modders from improving the planes and even creating liveries. 2 bring back manual caching and prioritizing local files before streaming them from the cloud. These 2 things would already improve the sim.
Absolutely this. But they totally need to improve the manual caching interface and its limits. It was beyond terrible at least early on. Took ages to set up, took ages to load only to then find the fact that the supposed like 10 Gigs shrank down to a few Megs and basically nothing changed.
I do have hope they'll re-implement that, though. In the marketplace, all the things I got are flagged as "streamed" - which implies that there would be other options at some point as well.
I agree. Everyone has a different internet situation. Control of pre-caching and installing WU packs is essential
This in my opinion is the most important change that they need to make. At least give us the option to download the assets and make them available to mod.
They got rid of manual caching? crazy. my most used feature. I have 1Gb connection with unlimited bandwidth, but I'd rather load it from my NVME. This may be game breaking for me. I'll wait
only the premium plane files are encrypted. and the career files are still all encrypted. at least in the xbox store version
The fact EVERYTHING is streamed was a really, really poor choice on their part.
You should be able to specify parts of the map to cache. Simple.
I wonder if they will eventually allow you to start caching location data, I big reason they went streaming this time around was because of how many people were complaining about to 200GB files-size of 2020. But a good compromise would be to allow the user to set a data cache limit and download area's they frequent in.
Yes I wish they had an option for the FULL INSTALL on Hard Drive. FS2020 runs so smooth still
@@kegaran2365 It does this already, there's a rolling cache and you can set the size to be as large as you like. The only thing that's not present right now is the ability to manually cache regions ahead of time.
Yes - we need installation option
I always wait 2 years for any new game, by then it's half the price and all the bugs are worked out. Living 2 years behind saves a ton of $$$
Not to mention you live two years longer than everyone else.
The $$$ saved is secondary to the frustration avoided.
Less stress longer life!
I've been this way for console sports games for decades and it has saved me a lot of patience and money, however the problem with waiting for them to fix a game like MSFS 2024 is the shelf life of the game is limited to how long they run the servers for so the longer you wait, that is less time you will be able to play in the long run. I do not like online only games for this reason.
The reason why games are released in an unfinished state is because people rush out to buy it. Too many gamer simps. If everyone was like us, games would be 99% finished on launch.
Oh, a triple A game released in a state of utter unfinishedness. What a totally unexpected surprise.
That's not really what happened. Most of the issues were server-side. There are some annoying bugs here and there but they are inconsistent and it varies from person to person.
Can you name an massive online multiplayer game that launched well? I can't. I can't even think of one that I wasn't forced to spend half the day checking server status updates or experiencing constant crashes. I don't think "Good launch" is a norm we can ever get too. Games are too big and too complicated, and so many people have so many different system configurations, many of whom just know enough to plug in a new GPU, but haven't updated a single driver in their computer in 3 years.
And this is not the infuriating part it’s the people on Reddit saying it’s you not the game !! Like I got 500 mbps connection and the hardware to match and yet I’m still getting performance lower than 2020! Wtf !! The bottom line is streaming sucks!!!!!
IKR. Could only have been worse if it was a Quadruple A game. And yes, Ubisoft: I am looking at you!
Bottom line: The Less As it is, the bette the launch!
@@skydriver5709 yeah thisis a lame excuse.. The game is garbage and it’s on life-support if those developers did not intervene within optimal time it will die a slow death and it will bring down the whole franchise with it just like how the same thing happened with SimCity…
The visuals don't matter if the game is broken. I've been doing career mode, and so much is broken. The helicopter training was bugged for me where the game would not let me progress. I'm constantly having issues with the radio not working, or entering a continuous loop. I just want to play a functioning game.
I did a 4 hour flight yesterday in career mode with the C208. The turbulence was so bad for the full 4 hours I was amazed it didn't crash.
Until the landing, where 20' off th3 ground I was getting so much wind it was uncontrollable and I crashed, dropping my reputation from mid A to D.
Then I un-installed to return to 20.
@@seanomatopoeia same... without uninstalling part. Mission generation is just straight up broken, asks me to climb to 20 000 feet in cesna 172... crosswind component on landing was >23. Runways with trees planeted on both ends. Tornado mission obliterating your score. And of course, fuel management is broken completely which seams to be the easiest system to implement...
I’m just doing free flight and just floored flying through canyon or Sedona or landing on snow covered peaks north of telluride , yea my helicopter training is stuck on 2nd training flight but who cares I can fly the helicopters well enough . Having a blast and think it’s beautiful and with frame gen mod works great on my mobile 3080ti and i9 12900hx
Yup me too. I couldn't progress pass the first lesson on helicopters and career mode I run out of fuel where I can't change the fuel level at the start of the mission. You get any kind of head wind, you're crashing or landing in a field...and your level status takes a huge hit.
I'm so glad that despite my enthusiasm, I didn't pre-order and decided to wait and see.
@@chuck7299 me too and I will not be buying it. I’d rather wait a few years for a next generation MSFS simulator rather than a less than mediocre stop gap.
Thank you for your attribution less people on the server is good for the gamers thats on
W I S E C H O I C E T I M E S A T H O U S A N D ! ! !
lot people having fun with it
still not working so, wait longer i just waisted 80€
What REALLY shocked me, was that most of the world map is STILL from 2014… No change whatsoever. There are buildings all over my city that were torn down or renovated many years ago, and yet, there they are still in this game… It’s like, what exactly did they change from 2020? Because I can’t notice ANY improvements so far.
That's odd cause they have the new hospital showing in my town that was built just in the last couple years. They also have a large area that was clear cut in the woods in this particular spot that was shown correctly where as flight sim 2020 showed it was all treed still. I was really surprised since I read some comments from people saying there was no map updates.
@@Lithium023 Because the maps in your town were updated probably. It uses bing to gather it's map data, and bing updates some area's more then others.
I see a lot of improvements in msfs2024. It definitely had a difficult launch, but since a few days it becomes better and better, which keeps my hopes up.
Exactly. the only thing new is they stream you all your content. and thats something i dont like.
Seems like an excuse just to make people buy the The game again even though the last one was fine
What went wrong? Putting "2024" in it's title, that's what went wrong. Couldn't delay it into 2025, now could they, with a title like that.
omg, its actually impressive that the AI voices can get WORSE
When he said something about the AI voices being downgraded, i was like "Ohhh, maybe thats why the AI voices in my game are so god awful". Then he played a clip...was not expecting that 💀
You-will-fly-the-Cess-na-or-you-will-be-ex-ter-min-at-ed! The-Da-leks-are-supreme! Ex-ter-min-ate!
It sounded like the old Microsoft Sam from Windows XP, was hilarious
had same hopeful reaction the yt short voice is so annoying. I get that they struggle with names of places but even the procedure calls are barely recognizible the way the are split up
"EchoDeltaDeltaMikeTrafficCessnaSierraPapa __________ MikeNovemberOscar taxi via runway _________ Tree(sic) Four"
@@bobL761arby n the chief throw back would be cool
@@bobL761 My ROFL Copter goes "swwa swaa swwa"
It was released a year too early.
Don't blame the devs, blame those idiots in marketing.
yep, this is effectively paid early access to MSFS 2025 in all but name. Buy hey, cashflow is king. I'm so glad that I did the £1 gamepass trial for 2 weeks to test it and realise what bag of shite it is....currently.
A year is an exaggeration. A few months maybe would’ve been better
Refunded it, will get it in a years time
At least. I doubt we’ll ever see every single issue resolved. Even things that are “working” like character creator and dialog are so half-assed that it feels like a sham to even call those features complete.
The bandwidth issues are fixed? No, they are not! I often get the message "low bandwidth" and then the download rate, according to the task manager, goes below 1 MBit/s. This mostly happens between 19:00 an 22:00 CET.
Having the same problem. That's a major problem. Playing after work is almost impossible due to the "low bandwidth". I tested several times my internet speed and there wasn't such problems from my internet connection. It disappoints me the most not being able to play in "primetime". If i check it during noon there was never such a problem...
I’m on east coast USA close to all the data servers in Ashburn VA and I’ve been loading in quick and it’s been working flawlessly , not sure if my proximity to these servers has anything to do with it
2024 feels like a forced DRM update to 2020 not going to lie.
Flight sim as a service, if you have 500mbit fibre
Seriously it was just an excuse to make everyone pay for the game again.
@@Michael-lg4wz So, FSaaS?
So glad I scheduled my shoulder replacement surgery for the week before launch.
No chance I could even attempt to play, so no disappointment.
By the time I can even get into my sim rig MOST of these issues will hopefully be fixed. 😮
Things haven't improved massively. This game is an absolute mess, server issues aside. Career is unusable, most of the EFB functions don't work, cockpit lighting on displays is bad, passengers walking next to the plane while flying, performance is all over the place, and a myriad of other issues. This thing was not QA tested and absolutely not ready for launch.
These massive game corporations really put Quality Control in the dogshed, when it should be the priority of any computer game developed. It's ridiculous that you spend $70 for a game that doesn't even work at launch!
@@jamenta2 I wish we could go back to physical releases where it was important that the game worked on launch. It’s given them the ability to be lazy and not do thorough quality control since they can just push patches easily instead of having to get it right the first time
haven't you heard?
hiring developers based on talent is old fashioned and oppressing
Big mistakes made: 1. Simultaneous XBOX and PC launches. PC should have released first, get the big bugs out then port those changes to XBOX. That would have vastly relieved the server issues. 2. Lack of a beta test of the release candidate. A full week of user betas testing would have found a lot of these issues and they could be crushed before full release. Big big mistakes that has cost Microsoft dearly.
@@slade8212 > I wish we could go back to physical releases where it was important that the game worked on launch.
And still some games hadn't (and we might not even have gotten any patches because for most publishers issuing game disks was "publish and forget" kind of deal).
The "good old days" were not as good as some old farts claimed them to be.
Never played a bugged Nintendo game
A.I. Assist ('A.I. Pilot') is completely missing from MSFS 2024. No toggle to turn on the A.I. Pilot. Not there. Gone. This is game-breaking for me, and many others who simply enjoyed flying about looking at the world, and also for players with disabilities who found 'A.I. Pilot' an invaluable aid. This omission is baffling.
The Autopilot is pretty foolproof to use if you can bring yourself to sit through a 5 min explainer video on youtube...
@@Fjoergyn1199 - I understand that, but the point is that in MSFS 2020 the player could choose to skip past all that and just toggle a switch. For some of us, this was ideal. A simple, optional solution.
It was useful, especially when it came to Autocompleting checklists
@@Fjoergyn1199 So will it do pushback and taxiing and everything else?
@whophd if you plan on using the ai pilot, your starting on the landing strip anyway. Why starting parked, with you're not interested in the Sim? Personally I start on the landing strip as well.
Career mode is still such a mess of bugs. From minor things, like unavoidable dings for over-speed with flaps (even though your're standing still), giving taxi paths across runways (with no way to announce), not showing etc... or major issues, like telling you to taxi to point where you must crash your plane, or insurance not working and paying out... The game can really hurt to play.
I've lost points 3 separate times for overflying an airport without announcing, when I was flying over the ocean.
fuel management taking money but not working in sim, missions geving you cruise altitude above your airctraft operational limits. broken airports with trees growing on the runway, crazy winds despite game claiming that the weather is good before starting the mission.
Idk about other people but I’ve noticed that flaps 10* shows on the flap handle as basically zero, and then flaps 30* shows on the flap handle as 20*. Once I realized that my flaps most of the time were already at 10* without realizing I just got in the habit of always keying flaps up before flaps down
Last night, I lost points for overspeeding my flaps when I extended them for takeoff.
The visuals are a HUGE step up from 2020 in certain weather conditions. Cloudy/stormy looks really great!
A lot of the my missing stuff was added today. My favorite bug so far is when at the start of a mission it placed my fixed wing aircraft on a helipad out in the ocean!
Did they ever fix that ridiculous thing from FS2020 when you set your altitude at a custom departure, but it just ignores it anyway? And your plane spawns in at some crazy altitude like FL420, warnings blaring, TOGA LK and flapping around like a bucking bronco ride?
I never managed to work around that. No idea what even caused it.
My main gripe about the current state of the game is the fact that the photogrammetry (particularly for cities like london, new york and LA) are really outdated and trees too dense and similar in look. I remember the previous MSFS looking amazing after all the world updates, and now it looks really basic again. I'm guessing their servers arent streaming the world updates in 2024?
And yes, ive had a few issues with runways being on immense inclines and rocks being in the way, but given that it's simulating the entire world at 1:1 scale, i cant complain about minor things like that. Just hope they fix the photogrammetry / world updates as cities look worse than they used to.
This is my biggest issue
visually the game looks worse than 2020 because of the poor photogrammetry
I was very excited for this game but it seems like almost worse than 2020 was
Which is why I will always wait. Patience....is the key.
It's the first full scale run of the server tech and people are surprised there are problems. They knew this would happen and that why they didn't load it down with content first
So true. Bought the Limited from Aerosoft and was having lots of popcorn and good laughs watching the $#!+show going on with the entire internet burning. Getting mine in a week or two, but got a 14 day 1€ Game Pass today. Gotten from the download button into the menu with having the character created in less than an hour, with the character creation taking up almost half of the time, simply because I wanted to have something decent right away.
lol right? I just wait for the game to actually be finished. So many people predictably surprised...
Ya tell that to people on the reddit flight sim forum and they will tell you every reason to buy it now but then complain it later on when its not finished... I remember when 2020 was released and saw how crappy it was. They finally got it up to a good state then they released it on xbox and messed it up again...I was planning on playing it on gamepass only. Im not spending all that money again.
"this is not the launch experience we want for our players" is such a weird statement. Even ignoring the server issues - which we really should not, but for the sake of argument, this game is not ready for launch. Did you "intend" for all the other issues to magically stop existing? You can't tell me that problems *this* severe did not come up in testing.
Was it intended to launch without control templates? - that alone should have been a blocking problem.
This sim needs at least another year of development time, which is sadly in line with most AAA releases these days. Pre-orders turn a profit, so stop trying and just release for short term cash.
I was really hoping it would not turn out like this. I really wanted to play the sim they promised us. Still, can't say that I'm surprised about what we got.
4:27 Was seriously thinking I was going to hear, _"By your command."_
Have 1000+ hours in msfs2020, so glad I held back on buying 24. It's just not ready.
Disappointing release but otherwise it’s been awesome for me. Love career mode and have only had a few frustrating bugs so far. Overall I think your conclusion is spot on. Great game with huge potential, will be awesome to see it grow. I think the hate about career mode and gamification is misplaced. Obviously it would be nice if you could explicitly make career more realistic with settings, but either way you can play it like a hardcore sim or play it like a game. It’s meant to be accessible and it’s working, because I have friends who know nothing about real flying and are playing career mode and learning. Not every flight sim has to be incredibly hardcore, and I think this one has the reach to be both a game and a good simulation (once some of the bugs are addressed). And I have to assume people saying it doesn’t look better than 20 are getting bad loading and low-res textures. When it’s working (majority of the time for me now), this is by far one of the most beautiful and realistic looking games I have ever played.
I think the hate from career mode has been coming from some pretty atrocious bugs that ruins the experience for people. I've not had game breaking ones yet, but I've had some pretty damn annoying ones, so I'll probably put the game on hold for a month or two
@ I’ve had a couple game breaking ones, but it’s only ever been so bad that I just aborted and didn’t do the mission. I see a lot of complaining about the small bugs like the flap penalties and stuff but those don’t actually take that much away in terms of score and I don’t understand why they’re so annoyed by it. IMO it’s all incredibly easy to work around, but maybe I just got lucky with the airports and missions I’m choosing.
Game finally took a crap for me a week in. Flawless for 7 full days. Career mode won't let me do VIP runs. Cannot progress past short haul cargo flights in a C 172. Similar to the reason I stopped playin FS20
I use the Map Enhancement mod for MSFS2020. As a (mostly) airliner pilot, I'll be honest in saying that I don't see much of a difference between the two versions. That's probably why the team on the MS Flight Sim forums block any mention of it. I think I'll stick with FS2020 until Microsoft removes the online requirements for flight sim. I understand we can't download the entire world, but I have 2TB of storage for Flight Sim. I want the choice of using that storage for the CORE game and any additional addons.
You are going to need a lot more than 2TB storage if you want the full experience offline though. We are talking at least two petabytes of data. What I agree with is that they could have put more stuff locally as an option, such as plane- and scenery models etc.
I guess you'll be playing 2020 forever
MS spends more time moderating negative comments and botting social media than they do making a quality game.
You’re correct I want the same thing. I want to download the essentials and the things that make the game work just like in 2020 but the idiots here in the comments think that you just want to download all of planet Earth like please guys please read before speaking we want parts of the same to be downloaded so we can avoid interruptions as much as possible and don’t forget that 2020 has streaming to, but not to this preposterous extent
@@slizzy418 The Photogrammetry of the same size cached area you might play in 2020, would require as much as 16x more cache space in 2024. That's how massive the visual improvements are, and what it took to actually add rocks, grass, flowers, animals, pebbles around a lake, rather than a texture painted carpet.
I had a miserably long ride on the bumpiest taxiway known to man to reach the runway and the game decided it was a good idea to spawn a whole town in the middle of the runway making it impossible to takeoff. That's the only game breaking bug I have experienced so far.
For me, search and rescue missions where you're expected to land near the stranded person to pick them up, but the ground is covered with bushes and large rocks making it impossible not to crash, fail the mission, and have to spend $50,000 b/c insurance only covered 80% of the total on your $400,000 plane.
Yeah I had a radio tower spawn in the middle of my runway 😂
On FS2020 ATC told me to take a certain taxiway - which was inexplicably not flat and in a dip. 747 fell into the hole and I "collided with an object".
That's not my fault, give me a break.
Server capacity problems have been resolved because 25% of customers gave up and requested a refund or put the game aside and another 15% have been unable to launch the game. CW Lemoine said on his video he is unable to play the game on his PC.
This game is almost unusable for VR users. If you used a Pimax Crystal VR headset at native resolution with an RTX 4080 GPU on low graphics settings, you could hit 40-60 fps in MSFS 2020.
In 2024 those low graphics settings with the same hardware at the same resolution, your framerate is HALF of 2020 with about 15-25 fps and the game looks worse than 2020 did at low graphics.
The only way to make it somewhat playable is to use Ultra Performance DLSS and reduce the headset to 75 HZ so frame generation will kick in when the game barely hits 37.5 fps. And of course this turns the game into a blurry and artifact-filled mess.
Indeed, night and day, Crystal in 2020 at fulll resolution was a pleasure to use, no longer the case with 2024. Hope they will find a solution...
ughhh... thanks for the heads up. guess its time to get the 9800x3d...
@@AGenericAccount I have a 7950X3D and it's not fully utilized. My GPU utilization is through the roof, so a CPU upgrade probably won't help much.
To my eyes it looks vastly better than FS2020 and there are comparison videos showing it. It's not just the close up textures, it's the lighting which is much closer to reality. Flying around London, I found the scenery much improved, although I haven't played since the last UK world update so it could have been that. It also ran really well on a Quest 3 first attempt.
I think it's hit and miss imo. The areas I've tested look more realistic and true to the actual locations in 2020 with the latest world updates. London especially imo back to back has far too many trees in 2024. But 2024 has room to improve as it develops.
My biggest disappointment is the VR mode. It's still incredible, visually, in the same way the previous game was, but the experience ranges from frustrating to outright broken. Having the headset fight with your other inputs as a cursor is a pain, and theres no way to use the EFB tablet, unless the plane you're flying has a physical mount for it, and unfortunately things like the flight plan have moved to inside of this. Them saying "VR mode will be treated like a platform" is looking like a bit of a joke right now.
The problem was that they had a perfectly fine platform with MSFS to build on, but instead they decided to release a new platform, and then attach a number to it that set the release window in stone, so even if it was woefully unfinished, they HAD to release it before that arbitrary number got a bit out-of-date.
Apparently 2020 architecture was not up to snuff
this is becoming more and more the norm for game releases, and its not going away
This is the sort of nonsense that led to the North America video game crash in the 1980s. Thankfully Europe survived that.
And today's indie market will help us survive again. AAA gaming is absolute toilet right now, everything is released broken.
@@halfbakedproductions7887 nintendo the only AAA that can release a fully fleshed out and 99% bug free day one experience.
I am sticking with FS2020 for now until the childhood illness issues are resolved: I think MS and Asobo have created another great simulator, but should have waited before releasing it.
The career mode was the biggest change to the sim I believe and it’s sad they didn’t take the time to actually check everything to verify it works. This sim was released at least 6 months too early. It doesn’t look enough different to me to just have to make the jump. Not looking forward to having to remap everything and things just not working. My 2020 looks and performs just fine. And my ATc and traffic works fantastic. Hopefully sometime next year, it will be good enough for everyone to use.
Tried to play today on Xbox, it's still a nightmare. It's absolutely horrible.
I live in a rather rural part of germany and therefore don't have the fastest internet on the planet. I get about 50-60 Mbit at most which is enough for everything. Yet even after 40 minutes of flying the world still hasn't loaded in and landing at an airport made of clay really isn't a lot of fun. So yeah, unless my provider gives me fibre or microsoft gives me the option to download the game properly I guess I won't be playing this anymore anytime soon.
In addition to what was mentioned, in the career mode:
-in some aircraft, you can't extend flaps, even when standing still, otherwise your performance ranking takes a hit for "exceeding maximum speed"
-the hold short hint box is sometimes on the wrong side of the hold short line so when you stop where it wants you to, your performance ranking takes a hit
-on some small airfields, the "taxiways" overlap the runway a little bit, so when you taxi as instructed, your performance ranking takes a hit for entering runway without clearance
-in skydiving missions at least with the 172, the guide gates are completely useless because if you follow them you'll get a bad ranking for taking too long, but you can't turn them off (there is an option to do so in the settings but it doesn't work in career mode)
-also sometimes in the skydiving missions they won't tell you the target altitude so you just kinda have to guess or wait til it appears in the objective list but at that point its kinda late
-(although this is probably not a bug) the night certification is pointless, i have hundreds of missions available around the world, not a single one of them happens at night, and as far as i know you can't set a custom time of day in the career
-You can turn off all gates/objective markers - I have it mapped to a button.
-Later on you get to have real-time weather and can move timeslider back 12 hours...so you can do all missions at night or in IFR.
I’m on Xbox SX and I still can’t get the mouse to work at all. This is a game killer for me. A new sim that looks great but I can’t fly is crap. This is what it feels like when the Grinch steals your Xmas present. I’ve gone back to 2020 until they fix it, if they fix it.
The voices sound robotic even when it isn't using local console voices. It's like they're using Microsoft Bob. Not to mention the pilot models all look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.
I know it has issues, but I played yesterday (bought it yesterday) and had a blast with it. No performance issues aside from some minor loading stutters once you enter the map, then it ran flawless with everything in Ultra using DLSS @4K res, with a Ryzen 3900X, 32GB RAM, RTX 3080Ti installed in a Corsair MP600 Pro XT NVMe M2 SSD (2TB). I have a 1GB/s network (up & down) and that could make a difference when it comes to actual streaming of details and such, because watching other people playing I saw a lot of stutters in mid flight and textures loading and pop-ins, etc. I had not a single issue with that kind of stuff at all.
Then yeah, there are bugs with the pilots, some planes had some textures that change colours, etc, minor stuff that could be patched.
Not saying anything else or that the people that has issues is wrong, that is my own experience only. Have that in mind. Still have a lot of stuff to try, test and see...and maybe I'll see issues here and there as others for sure.
Yet the game looks awesome and even while not being as Hardcore as DCS (better physics and realism overall, more interactions and proper gameplay elements), but is beautiful to look at and just fly around the world.
Here's a thing for you: The R-66 model by Carenado, the main rotorblades turn the wrong way. The should rotate counterclockwise but they turn clockwise but, hey, at least the fixed the tail rotor animation on the H125.
I still don't see a reason to "upgrade". Ok the weather's a little better but.......
coz they promised support for 2020 for a decade then pulled this garbage?
Almost everything's better in 2024, what is not will be in the next few weeks/months.
@@beardedlonewolf7695they need to redesign the fuel/payload page. It doesn't even show you MTOW or Useful load. Not having this information is gunna be a major problem for neofly or air hauler players.
@@beardedlonewolf7695exactly, there’s a lot more potential in 24.
@@joejoe2658that’s not true. They promised to support the franchise as a whole, not just MSFS20
"This is not the launch experience we want for our players" suggests that they didn't know what the game was like when they launched it
if they had released it as a early access, all of a sudden, pretty much all issues the game had and still has, would not have been as bad and reviews would not be nearly as bad as they currently are, simply because of the "early access" mark, a lot of people would elect to wait and they would have had less initial players to flood and overload the servers, would probably still have been bad, but not as bad as it was, they would have more time to beef up their servers to handle current and future players, and importantly, any flaws would easily have been overlooked since it would be a early access and issues is to be expected, the comunity would have been way more forgiving.
Outside of server issues, there were just a lot of questionable decisions. One example is getting rid of the score breakdowns for landing challenge. Instead of getting a score for how soft, how close to centerline, and how close to touch down point, we get one total score and that's it. No breakdown, no way to see what you messed up.
Long story short, they released it way too early.
That is today's gaming landscape : Get the game out and earning money as soon as it mostly playable.
As always, you always give a good and fair analysis.
The biggest problem for me right now is the aliasing and the loading times of graphics (if they load at all), this is very immersion breaking.
Playing in a Series X btw
I disagree…is very lifelike as you need to wait about an hour to get to your nearest airport…and once you get there there’s a chance you won’t e able to fly due to demand. So IGN 7/10 “very true to life “
I can't help but think the developers shot themselves in the foot by including "2024" in the title. It clearly wasn't ready for release and the rush to get it out before year's end has predictably backfired. Regardless of the launch problems, where I live the technology's simply not reliable enough to risk spending a minimum of £70 on a game that apparently relies so totally on cloud connection.
The more I fly in it, the more swept away I am by the beautiful graphics. Doeing the packaged flight over Yosimite was wonderful, and being caught between cloud layers after taking off from Santa Barbara headed upt San Simione was beautiful, and the Hearst Mansion was incredibaly detailed. Everywhere I look, I see depth that was simply not present in 2020. Devils Tower is anotehr example. It is full of bugs though, but it can be quite stunning.
It is a beautiful environment, apart from the big tiles of low ress areas which break the immersion. With only 40 mbs broadband on a good day, its looking like myself and others have wasted money
When it works, it's a night and day improvement. Key part, "when it works"... I travel overseas frequently and stable internet is not a hallmark of most of my worksites so the cloud based aspect kills my ability to use the sim. I'd be 100% on board if there was an ability to voluntarily download the data vs have to stream it constantly.
Far from night and day. It's basically the same game except most features are bugged to hell. Other than some lighting and hand crafted terrain, it's the same game.
It was so disappointing to read the announcement that today's dev Q&A livestream has been postponed until next week. To me, this speaks volumes.
I'm not at all surprised, and I agree, it says a lot
I agree regarding the FS2024 visuals, Ant. Although they're not the quantum leap that FS2020 was, they are nevertheless a noticeable improvement. Graphically, the jump from FSX to FS2020 was comparable to that of going from VHS to DVD - mind-blowing at the time. Whereas the visual differences between FS2020 and FS2024 are more akin to the jump from DVD to Blu-Ray - not revolutionary, but a noticeable improvement nonetheless.
I mean... If you look at the year at which FSX launched (2006) and at which FS2020 launched, it would be sad if there would be no huge difference in these 14 years. The overall technology has jumped quite a bit too over that time. Whereas between FS2020 and FS2024 launch there are only 4 years. So, expecting the same outcome with FS2024 is honestly quite unrealistic. Saying that, since the server issues have been overall improved by Microsoft over the last few days, iam enjoying FS2024 a lot and am very hopeful how it will improve even more over time.
yeah well right now its pretty photorealistic. theres a limit to graphical fidelity. They should focus on their flihgt model now
After a few years on 2020, I am out entirely until a new developer takes control. Asobo don't know how planes fly, or even handle on the ground. This is generally quite important for a flight sim.
I picked up a copy a few days ago - a few minor bugs and only one crash after 10hrs or so of playing. I use a Ryzen 5900X 3070 RTX and 64GB RAM and the sim on a combination of HIgh and Ultra settings is much better than I was expecting. Impressed with the lighting and ground detail upgrades, so actually quite happy overall.
Those are nearly my exact specs and I can barely run 24 on low, so I'm very confused.
@@seanomatopoeiado you have fibre broadband?
I was excited to hear they were bringing in the more "game-like" features that I enjoyed from Microsoft Flight years ago. At least this time around they have been far more transparent about their efforts to fix the issues.
no issues here at all, smooth install, download, very fluent on ultra settings. sure not all is great right now, but for me the best sim ever and will be in the future. cheers
Same here on PC, from day 2 until now everything went smooth, there are some bugs in career mode that needs to be fixed soon though.
Utterly strange the differences people have with their experiences.
How are you able to setup your controls ! Been an absolute nightmare trying to get the alpha and bravo to work correctly . FS2024 also broke FS2020 for me so I can't even use FS2020 anymore
@ since today I noticed the sim is reverting back spme hotas profile settings, so I have to adjust these profiles with my vkb sticks everytime I start a new session. I have not tried my bravo throttle yet but there is some good tutorials out there
Hope they fix these control issues soon. You are right it’s annoying right now…
@@pauperslament3467 Because different people have different kinds of PC setup and maintenance discipline.
This reinforces the idea that most of the bugs are setup specific, as the game specific bugs (like MSFS2020's weather systems hiccups or NVidia drivers compatibility issues) tend to manifest more universally.
I've had so many strange and stupid bugs in this new one, especially career mode. Spawning in lakes to immediately get a "oops you crashed" message, landing on the runway I was directed to only to get a message saying it was the wrong landing zone, some missions just seem to load infinitely and won't let me even attempt. Still no sounds from seemingly any single engine prop plane despite multiple reinstallations. I was so excited to see the new missions and stuff, but what's the point when they can't be played?
If you're buying a game on the day of release, you're not a player, you're a games tester. I appreciate all the time, and money these game testers spend getting the games up to snuff so they feel feature complete, and also priced its true value when they do put out the final release version (GOTY Edition).
No, you're a consumer who has a right to be pissed. You take money for a product, that product better work. Stop normalizing this.
@@underleft I'm not. I making a point. People need to stop buying games on day one until companies earn that trust back. Streamers and content creators are the ones normalizing it. In the rush for being first and getting views, companies can count on a large quantity of people to buy the game no matter what.
Don't get mad at me for pointing it out. It's already normalized. There is no pushback from streamers, and little pushback from gamers. Streamers buy the game and use it as a business expense, consumers buy on hype. There is only a very small group of people that have integrity and are not buying in.
Gone are the days when they released stuff on cartridge and it had to be tested before release with zero bugs. Now we are just beta testers. Stinks
I got my money back.
First, I'm part of an apparently tiny sliver of the market who loved Bush Trips and was very disappointed to see them gone.
Second, I assumed the new code base, utilizing multithreading and multiple CPU cores would run at least as well on my less-than-optimal system as did FS2020, but I was badly mistaken. I fly in VR all the time on 2020 . It would not come close to running in 2024. CTD within seconds.
I'll upgrade my system, give them some time to debug, and try again in the Spring.
What went wrong...there never was a beta...we are doing the beta now. This thing has so many bug its just crazy.
Even with a beta, 2020 had at least as many bugs on release.
For me, it’s all over the place. Things like the fleet of realistic AI aircraft models and ground handling are big improvements. Photogrammetry hasn’t been improved much. Few cities have higher resolution, but it’s still very limited in coverage and many cities/towns still have 2014 ground and low res rendering. Bummer. I’d much rather have a sim that requires a beefy PC with a lot of SSD storage and looks flat out amazing with a few fantastic aircraft builds than one that goes all in on streaming, aircraft numbers and accessibility.
Not complicated.
1) They tried to get free press from, "Too many people playing because it's so great!" by throttling access to their server.
2) They released an unfinished product with lots of placeholder content like AI voice actor and partial career mode.
MS store has been unusably broken for years. Not complicated. just braindead, like deadbox.
I don’t think the AI stuff is a placeholder. They’re clearly leveraging AI for making “infinite” number of missions. And I assumed partial career mode was always planned so they could continue adding to it over time. It was never incredibly clear what parts of career would be available on launch
How could you have recorded voice actors for infinite missions that never repeat. Not possible.
About point 2 you can take off from any airport in the world how can you expect every single voice line to be a person?
Theres no way to finish a game like this without having a full scale run on your server side tech, and theres no reason to load the game down with untested content youd have to rework when you're unsure of the base performance. They handled the launch poorly but the game is where it should be in my opinion
What especially adds to my disappointment is that I was able to get into the Sim a few times, and I loved it. The first time, it took me two days to get in. The graphics are overwhelming. That was six days ago, and it has not let me back in since. Knowing what I am missing while we wait for a stable sim adds to the pain, eh?
Same attitude as FDEV.... they do not give 2 fecks.
I've had almost no issues on my end, neither have the two friends I've been flying with. Only 2 crashes (the second one was because I tried to repeat the action in the EFB that caused it before submitting a bug report). Load times have been great, FPS very stable, textures have been good, flight model has been working well. The airports I've been flying out have have also been rather solid, except for my local airport that has a small issue with the taxi path for Runway 8, but if you follow the IRL correct one, the game accepts it as correct. Just a mostly smooth experience so far. Sucks that it's so inconsistent though. But maybe that can give people a bit of hope that the issues are mostly straight forward to resolve, since they don't seem to affect everyone, and will just take a bit of time for them to get the experience consistent for all players.
My only wish for FS2024 was for it to have normal sized trees unlike the stupidly tall trees you got in FS2020 which they still have not fixed, but wait hold your beer! in FS2024 you now have massive ridiculously tall trees the height of skyscrapers!!!!
That's such a simple autogen algorithm mistake it's hilarious
What really that's hilarious
Thank you for the sane update, been looking for something like this! Subscribing !
I like so many have paid a "Lot of money" for an unplayable game with unplayable content on the Xbox Series X, I've essentially wasted my time & hard-earned money on a game still unplayable days after launch. I left a comment the other day asking for a Video about the state of play with MFS 2024 highlighting the many, many faults thank you
Exactly
Humble suggestion for Microsoft/Asobo: Stop naming the simulator by year. Call it MSFS 11, MSFS 12, MSFS 12.1, etc. This simple step avoids altogether the need to rush to the market an unfinished product just because we're approaching the end of the year that names the product.
I can’t stand career mode, the bugs, the annoying cringe “passengers” that fly with you, etc. It’s the bugs though, the game is a mess. It’s like playing a beta, and on the Series X it looks pretty rough.
Who remembers flight sim 2004 where 2 most exciting activities were flying through barns and experiencing the Wright brothers plane? Anyone? If you told me 20 years from then that we'd have this sim and be able to explore the world in high detail outside the aircraft I would have laughed at you. I was 8 when that came out but it started a passion that brings me here. I'm interested in hearing what sparked your love and passion for aviation
Listen homies, it’s 2024 of course this was going to happen. I know that doesn’t mean it’s right, it’s the unfortunate reality of gaming in today’s world. You all could have used game pass to try it out, and if it didn’t work to your standards just use the game pass to play something else and come back at a later date. Who the fuck preorders games these days???
Apparently a lot of people do, for some reason 🤷🏻♂️
This is exactly why I opt out of day one purchase and participation. A little patience goes a long way to keep my interest in the long run. Better to wait for the bugs to be ironed out and the price to drop to make the initial experience positive and encourage continued enjoyment.
You know I can accept a lot of excuses, but in 2024, being caught off guard by ‘overwhelming interest’ on AAA titles, is not one of them.
The launch was a disaster, their planning was a sham and they deserve every negative review they received.
If you can't get in, try plugging in a mic. Sounds crazy but i can only play if my mic is plugged in. If I unplug it, the Sim crashes immediately.
I played this game without reading any reviews, I’ve had some weird bugs, and it messed up a bit of my career mode, but I will say that I’ve been kinda hooked on it as someone who loves flight
I think a big thing for me is the fact that the airports look the same, in some places they look worse
Lee Iacocca, the CEO of Chrysler in the 80's once said the best way to see if a car is ready for the market is to put it in the market. That obviously didn't work in FS24's case!
Left MSFS after getting caught in an eternal update loop. Once bitten, eternally shy.
I acquired a new kinda up to date PC few months ago and switched from my trusty ol' X Plane 11 to MSFS 2020. I was in awe of the visual quality and the choice of planes on the marketplace. I immediatly bought Blacksquare's TBM 850 and Simworks Kodiak and fell in love with these two airframes. I even bought rudder pedals nad a Yoke so I can enjoy it the most. Sadly with the release of MSFS 2024 and all that surround it makes me want to try out X Plane 12 and see if I will go back home yet again...
People dont remember how it was when WoW released new add ons. Waiting in line to get onto a server for 8 hours only to crash out after 20 min of playing.
Once past the install, I have had nothing but problems. 1) It seems to think I am always flying a helicopter, and atc only lists helipad airports. 2) During one ifr flight atc was telling me to increase altitude all the way up to over 200000 feet in a TBM. 3) It keeps putting me in the back seat of the DA42 in vr. 4) Dynamic frame rate seems to do nothing to keep my framerate fixed where i want it. 4) Every long flight has ended in an application crash before landing. Other than that it has been great.
So many of these issues could be fixed if they just give us the option to download content locally if we choose. Its definitely good to have the cloud streaming option available for people with limited space, but for those of us with terabytes and terabytes of secondary harddrives for whom space isn't an issue, just let us download the planes and regions we plan to use a lot.
Not being able to import flight plans into the airbuses is a real pain
I think the old adage is fitting here: _”the early birds get the worms”_
This is why I’m never an early adopter, especially with such a complex game as this where _everyone_ and their mother will be trying to log-in.
Y’all can be bug testers, thanks…..I’ll give it a year or two.
honestly we need a "local mode" where folks who have plenty of extra storage can install whatever they want
This is an early access and/or experimental game. They are prioritising the cloud play experience in order to resolve the console limitations.
I was stuck in que on the day of release, but a few hours later (in the evening PST) I was able to get in and haven't seen that que since. I never had the loading screen problem. Career mode def has some bugs. The start HQ for your pilot is often times in the middle of a field (not a good one, either), or your plane is stuck between two buildings. This can be remedied by resetting Career mode which does NOT delete your progress. I was stuck in a lumpy field trying to obtain my PPL and had to reset, much to my chagrin. Fortunately, it didn't delete my progress, I was able to choose another starting airport, and was able to go straight to Certification.
The biggest bug I'm seeing is after playing for a while, perhaps a couple hours, the game will start chopping. Restarting the game remedies this, sometimes going back to the main menu and going back to what you were doing will remedy this. Def needs to be fixed tho.
The second issue I have is a lot of the time in flight, keys won't work. Buttons on my HOTAS won't work. Also needs fixing, quick.
Other than that it's performing really well on my system, which is a Core Ultra 7 265KF, 48GB RAM, MSI Super RTX 4080 Expert.
It’s so bad on console. Thank goodness we still have 2020! Makes me appreciate what we had in 2020
seeing a flight sim get the forbbiden "release now, fix later" treatment is really unfortunate.
Then again FS2020 got the same issues on release, abiet for different reasons.
imo whenever Asobo & Microsoft release a new flight sim, it's best to wait a year or two before you get to play it.
That a way you won't have issues just a miniute or less after you bought it
For me:
1. Streamed content - no modding to aircraft, can't disable default scenery for better ones, blurry cockpit texture
2. DX12 - excessive use of VRAM, I ran with 3070 which has 8G, not the best but surely enough. But as VRAM ran out the fps stuttered horribly
3. UI - use of animation means flight preparation is slow, it's also difficult to choose your desired livery as the option requires a lot more clicks. The menu also load the aircraft in as you change livery which is a complete waste of resources
4. Jetways - as they move on to widebody aircraft, I fully expect them to support multiple jetways. The last time I had multiple jetways is back in P3D v5, quite a shame.
The launch was one of the MANY bugs. Career mode has been a battle to not get dinged for random stuff all the time
It's a good case against online only games. Especially ones that are so expensive. Your literally renting it for however long they feel.
you didn't mention the sim-breaking cockpit view bug that resets to the previous plane's default view any time you switch planes in a single play session
A very balanced and objective look at the sim. I look forward to your analysis of the dev live stream when it hits. One comment I will make is that Jorg's initial warm and fuzzy comments at the start of the "explanation" stream were way off the mark and he did not read the room at all. Starting out by saying what a great product it was just fell flat and was grating right off the start. He lost a lot of cred with that comment alone.