I bought a SLDR for $100 CDN off of Craigslist a few years ago. No big deal but it had an Oban Kiyoshi White shaft. Last month I bought a Black R1 with a Ladies flex shaft for $60 CDN. I put the Ladies flex shaft in the SLDR head and sold it off for $60. Now I have a Black R1 with an Oban Kiyoshi White shaft (which is virtually a R1 Black Super TP Driver) that cost me $100 CDN in the end.
i paid more than in my life M5 289 dollars i was like i better see 20 more yards hahahaha but i didnt put my muzno back in the bag i out drive everyone..its all about who cant hit the sweet spot
I bought a 2016 M2 for $159. Best driver I've ever used. I even tested the newer Taylormade drivers, and the older M2 still performed as good or better than those. New drivers are like buying a new automobile. They depreciate as soon as you drive it off the lot. I can wait for a decent price.
I just bought a new Honma TW747 on ebay for $135 delivered. I've tried new drivers from the last 3 years and don't see any difference in distance or control. My driver speed is 88-90mph so I probably wouldn't see much difference based on previous MGS testing.
I buy every new TaylorMade driver that comes out and I gain ten yards with each purchase. I’m now carrying my driver 550 yards off the tee. I’m really happy with my new SIM Max and I fully expect to break 100 this year.
Holy crap I’m gonna do that too. One question though - can I just leapfrog to the most recent driver or do I have to buy them all in succession? Right now for Example, I carry the ball about 500 with my 15-year-old Titleist driver. This is really exciting. I have ordered the standalone putter, that wedge you use like a putter, I think it’s called the square strike. And I am going to order those shoes that Nick Faldo is promoting on TV that supposedly gain an additional 5 yards off the tee. But most important, I’m going to get some of that testosterone shit.
Love this show. Keep the content coming and everyone I speak to I tell them to check this channel out. My daughter goes to the USA next Friday ( From the UK ) to start her golf Scholarship and I so need you to give me something to watch until she is home at the end of November.
Manufacturers are recycling previous years "tech" also. Most companies have similar designs year after year trying to say "faster, longer, etc" club release after club release. But when those statements are tested most of the time it doesn't prove accurate.
Having said that you got everything correct, you also left a few things out. Things that might have been good to add: *** Where did the profit go? For the manufacturers, you left out stockholders (dividends) and the government (taxes). And you didn't have the breakdown of profit for the retailer at all. The retailer faces many of the same costs as the manufacturer: advertising, legal, personnel, facilities, dvidends, taxes, etc. *** Who won on tour with this equipment? You stressed that it might be completely random, and of course you're right. But it also may be an inversion of cause and effect. The equipment that gets in the hands of the favorite to win isn't necessarily the best, but more likely the equipment backed by the company spending the most (or the most wisely) on endorsements. Pay the best players to have your equipment in the bag. If you're REALLY playing the endorsement game flat out, then also pay the most players to increase your odds -- but that's back to your "random" theory again.
I got the new Maverick Sub Zero XStiff driver for my 50th birthday. I didn't pay for it but my wife spent $475 for it. This is the first New current year driver I have ever had in 25 years of golfing. My wife purchased this for me and if she saw this video she would freak out lol. I would say the only thing you missed on in the cost is the R&D that goes into the engineering of the club. Otherwise cool video.
I remember way back, when I worked in a golf store in the UK and the TM Burner driver was released (decent driver by the way)...Admittedly that driver does not have the Tech of some of today's Drivers...Anyway that driver, back in the day retailed @ £229...But I remember the day they all came into store for merchandising, and TM had mistakingly put in the boxes with the delivery notes, a TM memo detailing the total cost of manufacture, inc labor costs, distribution materials etc...Basically, the whole 9 yards of costs.....£21.56!!....I remember at the time TM being in a real flap about this mistake, and them asking all retailers to destroy these memo's...Twas very funny at the time....
I know it's old, but I just saw this for the first time. Outstanding! Absolutely on target! I know a fair amount about the subject, and you got it completely right.
In regards to marketing, you can say you're the best, but once you say better than is when you get into trouble. Also TM and the infamous 7 yards further quote (I think 7 was the number), anytime you add something that can be proven negative is when the problems start.
Guys, I think you missed one element here, fitting. Anywhere near me only carries the "latest and greatest" on the fit cart. I just bought a custom G410+. Do I think it's that much better than G400? No, but I was able to get fit into it so I have the most confidence in my purchase. There is the argument that it's "close enough" and I could get fit to the G410 but buy the G400 in the same spec, but at that point, you're already spending several hundred dollars. IMO, just spend the extra 100 and get the club you know for sure is right. This philosophy I'd apply to the DTC brands like Sub70 or Hogan too. Not worth saving a few bucks for the uncertainty. I also find I end up replacing unfitted equipment more often as well because I'm always wondering if there's something better.
Only front a $ point. but if you get cheap last year and just guess spec off the shelf and I pay full price and get fit and hit mine straighter and further than you whos better off?
At around 25 minutes --> It's called Information Value. Uses the weight of evidence for true vs. false events (made the cut vs. didn't). This analysis could parse out which {insert piece of equipment} is the best on tour.
I like how each year a club will gain about ten more yards then the previous year . so in that case my Taylor made driver is about ten years old and I carry it about 250 yards so if I buy the new stealth Taylor made I should carry it about 350 yards . look out Rory.
Been in various businesses for some 40 years. Manufacturing costs for a product like golf driver are max 10 % of the sales price. The rest is not profit rather gross margin. Quite rightly here somebody commented on a 199USD driver costing 19USD some time ago. Specially now, when everything done in China, even 10% is rather too much.
The what's in the bag in Golf Digest does this, to an extent, because they often highlight a player who is not winning each week. Also, why don't the announcers ever call out the players for playing inferior equipment? GREAT SHOW...LOL!!!
retail profit on mavrik is the retail profit on 3 golf shirts. Golf shirts at $80 are way easier to sell than a $650 driver. Add in golftown and ebay, which proshops are forced to match price on or they'll lose the sale. you'd be lucky to make 50 bucks on a driver. callaway preowned is killing golf retailers
There should be an OB count on drivers, fairways hit, and all the other stats. Then the interesting thing would be a strokes gained number can be inferred from the equipment
On one video from Clay Ballard, after visiting Ping headquarters(when he became a Ping staffer), he was saying that some of the big OEMs' second run drivers(that is the second batch run) are actually made of cheaper materials than the original run. He was sort of hinting that the guys at Ping told him that, but apparently Ping does not do that, second/third runs are the same as the initial run when new drivers are brought out.
@@cgasucks Well it was the Ping employees who told him that, so take it for what it is worth. Oh you don't think these companies would ever do something like that, lol, okay, just keep drinking the cool-aid.
It always makes me laugh when people who don't understand manufacturing talk about "cost" of a particular product. They don't include any of the true costs of manufacturing. They just include material costs. Who cares that they have to pay 21% employment tax. Who cares that a forging plant will use more than a million dollars of electricity per year. Who cares that. Who cares that Callaway's payroll is over half a billion dollars per year. Who cares that the golf companies literally pay billions a year to charitable organizations. People always talk about the variable costs and think that tells the story. Nobody talks about the fixed costs associated with manufacturing.
Ely Callaway said original Big Bertha driver, cost $19, sold for $199. Knew as many as 50% may have to be re shafted as at the time of release they were still having trouble with shaft breaking....Ely also said his plan was to use as much money as possible to PAY TOUR players to use his driver.....Bernie Adams once posted, No matter if it cost $4 dollars for the shaft don't think after spending thousands of R&D dollars on developing that driver head any company is going to sell a driver with a shaft that won't fit/work with that driver.
Manufacturers make Driver development sound like the same guys who made Thor’s Hammer and Axe and Thano’s gauntlet make your clubs. Still waiting for the commercial tag, “Titleist, special clubs forged by elves using the power of a dying star ⭐️.”
The funny thing is I found a Titleist DTR (1994) for $9! After a lesson 230 carry ! The teacher said if I buy a new one ($500) I may get too 250 with my swing speed. I am not upgrading ,just playing my 3 H (210) for the par 5's. with PW to the green.
Prepare to be shocked then, did you listen to the podcast. I’d actually be surprised if they made 20% profit after operating expenses. Look up what really goes in to EBITA for most business. You will be shocked.
@@darrinlygrisse5287 Nope, but I did notice the graphic that described the perceived costs to a driver being manufactured. However, it missed discussing how TourEdge for example, can produce a competitively-performing set of drivers as well.
Man I have a taylor made R5 driver still. It is hands down the best driver I ever own. I did get the Taylor made m6 but I sold it. My r5 just a better sound and his just as far still 👍
What also goes into cost is shipping, labeling of shaft, foundry expenses. It can climb pretty high into the $150-$190 price range after all said and done.
Pretty cool. I didn’t know shafts were so cheap for the manufacturer. It was cheaper for me to order a whole new club to reshaft my 3 wood, than it was to order the shaft, hosel adapter, and grip individually.
@@mygolfspyvideos can't pinpoint any one episode. All are informative and fun. Definitely my favorite golf podcast by a long shot, being a total golf nerd
It’s not about lies from the marketing department. It’s like Harry said it’s annoying when they hold back technology just to release it 6 months later. Put the best technology you can out there in a driver each generation. Similar to the PXG approach. Just have different classes of drivers for different swing speeds.
I NEVER buy a new driver. Last year's model in a discount situation?! No not even that. I always buy a used one from someone who didn't like it/is stupid enough to always buy the hype of the next year's model regardless of the fact that they still have a "new" driver in mint condition in their bag. The price?! Well, I pay (at most) $175 for a driver. (And I'm picky - It needs to be in perfect condition.) You always going to find the one you want if you give it a couple of weeks. (You do have an off-season, right?!) Use it to find the club you REALLY need! And by the way. I play the same driver for at least four years (+100 rounds per year). You don't need a "new" driver until the face of the old one is "dead" (The driver loses significant distance) Or perhaps when you ethically think it has too many scrape marks or whatever People need to understand that's the player (lessons and/or time to learn the craft by practicing and playing) is the only thing that's going to give them whatever they think they are going to get from the new equipment they are buying. Buy a 4-5-year-old used set, a couple of new wedges and you have everything you need to be a single-digit handicapper. (Invest in you, not new equipment, right?!)
You guys do the Most Wanted of... each year. It would be interesting to see how the Most Wanted driver from 2020 compares to the Most Wanted of 2019 in the new review. That way those who bought the 2019 model can see they are not losing anything by staying with the "old". Seems like irons stay in the bag longer. It's the Drivers that we think we always need new.
I agree about the technology I bought a Cobra f7 & I snapped the shaft I was ready to buy a new driver I went for a fitting & I came out with a new shaft Tensi orange 60grm was hitting withe the new shaft the same distance as the new cobra 🐍 & the Maverick👍
interesting podcast...... the truth is the materials that those Factories used are more expensive than before. Plus the adjustable adapter on the hosel costs more to make. If you take a driver 10 years ago such as Taylormade R9 driver..... it costs about $350 USD for us the consumer. But the titanium head is just titanium without "jail break" tech or front CG, etc etc. And now, the Tmag sims driver has adjustable movable weight (extra cost) and also adjustable CG (two at the front) and dont forget the adjustable hosel, extra $100 for the factory to make. Do high handicap and beginner golfers need it? nope. They just need something easy to hit. So they buy Taylormade R9 for $120 on ebay..... Ebay is the new "proshop" for high handicap golfers. the cost will kill the retail business..... not ebay....
the #1 on "tour".... just means that the best players in the world are "choosing" to using particular things... (i know they are being paid lot of money to use stuff and that likely the big factor.) The number of no cuts players with a particular thing have is not good info and means nothing.
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The old saying "You can't make it at home" comes to mind. The market will and always has dictated what a consumer winds up paying. The $500 price point has been around for 20 years plus.
Honestly believe if these big companies like taylormade or Callaway didn't pay the big stars so much money to use their product it would be cheaper, taylormade have to get back the 50 million they paid Rory and it's us that pay and let's face it there is nothing between clubs these days ever manufacturer is up against the limit set by the r&a and PGA could explain why pxg are selling a driver for 150 quid
The new technology does matter on the PGA Tour. However, most of the elite could play with any manufacturer. Maybe you all could discuss how pga endorsements drive the equipment manufacturers. I mean Taylormade has the deck pretty well stacked and they must be shelling out some serious bucks. For me personally I think it's more cost effective to invest in some good lessons rather than going out every year and forking over hundreds of dollars. I have a Ping Driver thats 10 years old, that due to the lessons I took when I bought it, I am still hitting it 300 plus straight down the fairway, so why buy another club.
in the 80's and 90's and before that companies didn't change the clubs so fast maybe every 3-5 years and in the past we have seen lots of players change brands and go into a slump and it takes them 1-2 years to get used to the new ones, I've seen it with Phil twice yonex to titleist to callawy and Ernie from taylormade to titleist even Justin rose went from taylormade to Honma and that didn't even last
Payne Stewart was on top until he signed with Top Flite. Tiger basically got Nike to make his blades with a swoosh on them without copyright infringement.
When I go in to Ping factory to get fit they do not sell me the irons directly. They make you go back to a pro to have the clubs shipped there. Of course they have always been protective of the PGA chain of merchandising. Will that ever change? I don’t see them ever selling direct to the consumer. So now do a show on who actually manufactures the club heads.
I no everyone talks about how your funding the tour players as well and tour trucks when buying new and no doubt that isn't cheap to run that but what about the cost to manufactures when they are giving your local pro a new set of clubs every year or 2 plus the cost to put those fitting carts into as many proshops as possible id have to think that bill could run well into the millions maybe even tens of millions and all that needs to be recovered as well I'd love to hear your thoughts on that and if you even have a remotely close figure that would be great
If pricing is as you say it is, why do retailers ALL charge the same price with in $20 of each other? Take callaway mavrik irons for example. $800 give or take $20 at any retailer or online. I was told by a retailer that Callaway sets the price and if they find out you're selling it too low, you don't get to sell Callaway clubs anymore..........is this true?
@@jonathanedwards6366 I would disagree with the image stance. Can you give me an example of other brands that impose such strict pricing on retailers? I'm confused as to how this is not price fixing. Not to mention a complete screw job by the club manufacturers
Not just the tour what about every proshop you go into and that manufactures fitting cart is there not to mention probably 90% of club pros have some kind of deal with a company so there's all them clubs that need to have cost recovered that bill has to run into the millions maybe even tens of millions
@26:38 uh... is this really the question that popped into your head? I can say with complete confidence that not once in my life have I ever pondered what underwear another dude is wearing!
I out drive almost everyone I play golf with and I play a 75 dollar head and a 25 dollar shaft. I'm also never in the shit. I stay in the cart and refuse to help them look for their ball after they hit that shitty drive with their 600 driver. Then I mock them about why they shouldn't have spent that much money on their driver as their not good enough to take advantage of that technology. Needless to say, not many people want to play golf with me.
How much did you pay for your current driver?
I bought a SLDR for $100 CDN off of Craigslist a few years ago. No big deal but it had an Oban Kiyoshi White shaft. Last month I bought a Black R1 with a Ladies flex shaft for $60 CDN. I put the Ladies flex shaft in the SLDR head and sold it off for $60. Now I have a Black R1 with an Oban Kiyoshi White shaft (which is virtually a R1 Black Super TP Driver) that cost me $100 CDN in the end.
I just bought my first full price driver since starting to play golf - TM Sim $540
i paid more than in my life M5 289 dollars i was like i better see 20 more yards hahahaha but i didnt put my muzno back in the bag i out drive everyone..its all about who cant hit the sweet spot
I bought a 2016 M2 for $159. Best driver I've ever used. I even tested the newer Taylormade drivers, and the older M2 still performed as good or better than those. New drivers are like buying a new automobile. They depreciate as soon as you drive it off the lot. I can wait for a decent price.
I just bought a new Honma TW747 on ebay for $135 delivered. I've tried new drivers from the last 3 years and don't see any difference in distance or control. My driver speed is 88-90mph so I probably wouldn't see much difference based on previous MGS testing.
I buy every new TaylorMade driver that comes out and I gain ten yards with each purchase. I’m now carrying my driver 550 yards off the tee. I’m really happy with my new SIM Max and I fully expect to break 100 this year.
Your putting must really suck if you can carry it 550 but can't break 100.
@@cgasucks Your IQ must really suck
Holy crap I’m gonna do that too. One question though - can I just leapfrog to the most recent driver or do I have to buy them all in succession? Right now for Example, I carry the ball about 500 with my 15-year-old Titleist driver. This is really exciting. I have ordered the standalone putter, that wedge you use like a putter, I think it’s called the square strike. And I am going to order those shoes that Nick Faldo is promoting on TV that supposedly gain an additional 5 yards off the tee. But most important, I’m going to get some of that testosterone shit.
@@cgasucks lmao
550 +-?????
Love this show. Keep the content coming and everyone I speak to I tell them to check this channel out.
My daughter goes to the USA next Friday ( From the UK ) to start her golf Scholarship and I so need you to give me something to watch until she is home at the end of November.
Manufacturers are recycling previous years "tech" also. Most companies have similar designs year after year trying to say "faster, longer, etc" club release after club release. But when those statements are tested most of the time it doesn't prove accurate.
Having said that you got everything correct, you also left a few things out. Things that might have been good to add:
*** Where did the profit go? For the manufacturers, you left out stockholders (dividends) and the government (taxes). And you didn't have the breakdown of profit for the retailer at all. The retailer faces many of the same costs as the manufacturer: advertising, legal, personnel, facilities, dvidends, taxes, etc.
*** Who won on tour with this equipment? You stressed that it might be completely random, and of course you're right. But it also may be an inversion of cause and effect. The equipment that gets in the hands of the favorite to win isn't necessarily the best, but more likely the equipment backed by the company spending the most (or the most wisely) on endorsements. Pay the best players to have your equipment in the bag. If you're REALLY playing the endorsement game flat out, then also pay the most players to increase your odds -- but that's back to your "random" theory again.
I got the new Maverick Sub Zero XStiff driver for my 50th birthday. I didn't pay for it but my wife spent $475 for it. This is the first New current year driver I have ever had in 25 years of golfing. My wife purchased this for me and if she saw this video she would freak out lol. I would say the only thing you missed on in the cost is the R&D that goes into the engineering of the club. Otherwise cool video.
I remember way back, when I worked in a golf store in the UK and the TM Burner driver was released (decent driver by the way)...Admittedly that driver does not have the Tech of some of today's Drivers...Anyway that driver, back in the day retailed @ £229...But I remember the day they all came into store for merchandising, and TM had mistakingly put in the boxes with the delivery notes, a TM memo detailing the total cost of manufacture, inc labor costs, distribution materials etc...Basically, the whole 9 yards of costs.....£21.56!!....I remember at the time TM being in a real flap about this mistake, and them asking all retailers to destroy these memo's...Twas very funny at the time....
I would like the companies to have the stats on how many players are payed to use a product compared to players that choose to use it for no money
Srixon finally joined the rest of the manufacturers with the newest zx5 and zx7 drivers. They use the standard torx style screws.
I know it's old, but I just saw this for the first time. Outstanding! Absolutely on target! I know a fair amount about the subject, and you got it completely right.
In regards to marketing, you can say you're the best, but once you say better than is when you get into trouble. Also TM and the infamous 7 yards further quote (I think 7 was the number), anytime you add something that can be proven negative is when the problems start.
This may be one of the more memorable episodes I have watched. Trunk slamming Friday 😂
Guys, I think you missed one element here, fitting. Anywhere near me only carries the "latest and greatest" on the fit cart. I just bought a custom G410+. Do I think it's that much better than G400? No, but I was able to get fit into it so I have the most confidence in my purchase. There is the argument that it's "close enough" and I could get fit to the G410 but buy the G400 in the same spec, but at that point, you're already spending several hundred dollars. IMO, just spend the extra 100 and get the club you know for sure is right. This philosophy I'd apply to the DTC brands like Sub70 or Hogan too. Not worth saving a few bucks for the uncertainty. I also find I end up replacing unfitted equipment more often as well because I'm always wondering if there's something better.
The best deal is last years model. I paid $220 for cobras f9 at dicks, essentially the same driver as the new speedzone.
Only front a $ point. but if you get cheap last year and just guess spec off the shelf and I pay full price and get fit and hit mine straighter and further than you whos better off?
At around 25 minutes --> It's called Information Value. Uses the weight of evidence for true vs. false events (made the cut vs. didn't). This analysis could parse out which {insert piece of equipment} is the best on tour.
Nothing wrong with buying second hand clubs
Watch this followed immediately by a Titleist No.1 in golf advert, the irony of the algorithm.
I like how each year a club will gain about ten more yards then the previous year . so in that case my Taylor made driver is about ten years old and I carry it about 250 yards so if I buy the new stealth Taylor made I should carry it about 350 yards . look out Rory.
Been in various businesses for some 40 years. Manufacturing costs for a product like golf driver are max 10 % of the sales price. The rest is not profit rather gross margin. Quite rightly here somebody commented on a 199USD driver costing 19USD some time ago. Specially now, when everything done in China, even 10% is rather too much.
The what's in the bag in Golf Digest does this, to an extent, because they often highlight a player who is not winning each week. Also, why don't the announcers ever call out the players for playing inferior equipment? GREAT SHOW...LOL!!!
I had a taylormade r9 driver and didn't upgraded until Sim max 2 driver came out. Stop spending money on drivers! Get irons and putters.
Fun show. Thanks.
Definitely make the DFL list happen! Ha ha ha
First episode I've ever watched. Came for the driver information and stayed for the dfl list
retail profit on mavrik is the retail profit on 3 golf shirts. Golf shirts at $80 are way easier to sell than a $650 driver. Add in golftown and ebay, which proshops are forced to match price on or they'll lose the sale. you'd be lucky to make 50 bucks on a driver. callaway preowned is killing golf retailers
There should be an OB count on drivers, fairways hit, and all the other stats. Then the interesting thing would be a strokes gained number can be inferred from the equipment
Profits on “ premium “ drivers are ridiculous which is why I don’t buy “ premium “ drivers and I still hit 250 - 275 drives and I’m 71 years old!
On one video from Clay Ballard, after visiting Ping headquarters(when he became a Ping staffer), he was saying that some of the big OEMs' second run drivers(that is the second batch run) are actually made of cheaper materials than the original run. He was sort of hinting that the guys at Ping told him that, but apparently Ping does not do that, second/third runs are the same as the initial run when new drivers are brought out.
Really?? I doubt it. It would create a lot of inconsistencies in performance between clubheads and would give the OEM a really bad name.
@@cgasucks Well it was the Ping employees who told him that, so take it for what it is worth. Oh you don't think these companies would ever do something like that, lol, okay, just keep drinking the cool-aid.
It always makes me laugh when people who don't understand manufacturing talk about "cost" of a particular product. They don't include any of the true costs of manufacturing. They just include material costs. Who cares that they have to pay 21% employment tax. Who cares that a forging plant will use more than a million dollars of electricity per year. Who cares that. Who cares that Callaway's payroll is over half a billion dollars per year. Who cares that the golf companies literally pay billions a year to charitable organizations. People always talk about the variable costs and think that tells the story. Nobody talks about the fixed costs associated with manufacturing.
Ely Callaway said original Big Bertha driver, cost $19, sold for $199. Knew as many as 50% may have to be re shafted as at the time of release they were still having trouble with shaft breaking....Ely also said his plan was to use as much money as possible to PAY TOUR players to use his driver.....Bernie Adams once posted, No matter if it cost $4 dollars for the shaft don't think after spending thousands of R&D dollars on developing that driver head any company is going to sell a driver with a shaft that won't fit/work with that driver.
Manufacturers make Driver development sound like the same guys who made Thor’s Hammer and Axe and Thano’s gauntlet make your clubs. Still waiting for the commercial tag, “Titleist, special clubs forged by elves using the power of a dying star ⭐️.”
The funny thing is I found a Titleist DTR (1994) for $9! After a lesson 230 carry ! The teacher said if I buy a new one ($500) I may get too 250 with my swing speed. I am not upgrading ,just playing my 3 H (210) for the par 5's. with PW to the green.
You have to believe that OEMs will shift business direct-to-consumer. It's worked for PXG and I can imagine the gross margin they make on their clubs.
PXG have gone down and farrari/rolex marketing road, taylormade/callaway etc are ford and chevy, they cant shift to that marketing
The costs missing from that price chart, Marketing, employees, development, shipping, volume, patent costs, and more
How many driver (iron set) from the big brands made/sold per model?
If the total human and operating/manufacturing costs are anymore than 20% of the final MSRP then I would be shocked!
Prepare to be shocked then, did you listen to the podcast. I’d actually be surprised if they made 20% profit after operating expenses. Look up what really goes in to EBITA for most business. You will be shocked.
@@darrinlygrisse5287 Nope, but I did notice the graphic that described the perceived costs to a driver being manufactured. However, it missed discussing how TourEdge for example, can produce a competitively-performing set of drivers as well.
Max Rittner but their overhead is lower. Less advertising mainly. In the end most of these companies probably make a out there same % profit.
Man I have a taylor made R5 driver still. It is hands down the best driver I ever own. I did get the Taylor made m6 but I sold it. My r5 just a better sound and his just as far still 👍
Jason Lewis I still use my TM R7 😂😂
What also goes into cost is shipping, labeling of shaft, foundry expenses. It can climb pretty high into the $150-$190 price range after all said and done.
Pretty cool. I didn’t know shafts were so cheap for the manufacturer. It was cheaper for me to order a whole new club to reshaft my 3 wood, than it was to order the shaft, hosel adapter, and grip individually.
Got a TM SIM driver and 3w. $1,100 for both. Toss in the SIM OS irons $1,200. Crazy how prices are now!
Regina Falange! Isn't that Phoebe's alter ego from Friends? Nice.
Look to see if I've missed any npg pods and see this was posted 58 seconds ago. Perfect timing
What is your favorite episode?
@@mygolfspyvideos can't pinpoint any one episode. All are informative and fun. Definitely my favorite golf podcast by a long shot, being a total golf nerd
It’s not about lies from the marketing department. It’s like Harry said it’s annoying when they hold back technology just to release it 6 months later. Put the best technology you can out there in a driver each generation. Similar to the PXG approach. Just have different classes of drivers for different swing speeds.
I NEVER buy a new driver. Last year's model in a discount situation?! No not even that.
I always buy a used one from someone who didn't like it/is stupid enough to always buy the hype of the next year's model regardless of the fact that they still have a "new" driver in mint condition in their bag.
The price?! Well, I pay (at most) $175 for a driver. (And I'm picky - It needs to be in perfect condition.) You always going to find the one you want if you give it a couple of weeks. (You do have an off-season, right?!) Use it to find the club you REALLY need!
And by the way. I play the same driver for at least four years (+100 rounds per year). You don't need a "new" driver until the face of the old one is "dead" (The driver loses significant distance) Or perhaps when you ethically think it has too many scrape marks or whatever
People need to understand that's the player (lessons and/or time to learn the craft by practicing and playing) is the only thing that's going to give them whatever they think they are going to get from the new equipment they are buying.
Buy a 4-5-year-old used set, a couple of new wedges and you have everything you need to be a single-digit handicapper. (Invest in you, not new equipment, right?!)
You guys do the Most Wanted of... each year. It would be interesting to see how the Most Wanted driver from 2020 compares to the Most Wanted of 2019 in the new review. That way those who bought the 2019 model can see they are not losing anything by staying with the "old". Seems like irons stay in the bag longer. It's the Drivers that we think we always need new.
Great show. Thank you
I got the SIM head and a TourAD shaft. The shaft on Ebay goes for $400
so its better to buy your driver from retail stores so they get their profit vs buying at manufacturer whos selling at the same price as retail?
I agree about the technology I bought a Cobra f7 & I snapped the shaft I was ready to buy a new driver I went for a fitting & I came out with a new shaft Tensi orange 60grm was hitting withe the new shaft the same distance as the new cobra 🐍 & the Maverick👍
As always, a great show with outstanding content.
Love to see the list of did not qualify drivers👍
It would be great to see the golf ball stat. Every week pro v1 says 70% of the tour is using our ball.
Miranda is the best and Harry is one lucky guy, great show always
DFL review, please make this happen
Thanks for the content ideas !
Who could hate you guys? (24:46) Just not possible! Thanks for your great content.
interesting podcast...... the truth is the materials that those Factories used are more expensive than before. Plus the adjustable adapter on the hosel costs more to make. If you take a driver 10 years ago such as Taylormade R9 driver..... it costs about $350 USD for us the consumer. But the titanium head is just titanium without "jail break" tech or front CG, etc etc. And now, the Tmag sims driver has adjustable movable weight (extra cost) and also adjustable CG (two at the front) and dont forget the adjustable hosel, extra $100 for the factory to make. Do high handicap and beginner golfers need it? nope. They just need something easy to hit. So they buy Taylormade R9 for $120 on ebay..... Ebay is the new "proshop" for high handicap golfers. the cost will kill the retail business..... not ebay....
This was probably the most entertaining segment.
Loved this episode. Cheers
the #1 on "tour".... just means that the best players in the world are "choosing" to using particular things... (i know they are being paid lot of money to use stuff and that likely the big factor.)
The number of no cuts players with a particular thing have is not good info and means nothing.
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The old saying "You can't make it at home" comes to mind. The market will and always has dictated what a consumer winds up paying. The $500 price point has been around for 20 years plus.
Totally agree. I remember when I started golf in 2000 the 975D was THE driver to get and it costs $400-$500 new even back then.
We need the DFL list
Honestly believe if these big companies like taylormade or Callaway didn't pay the big stars so much money to use their product it would be cheaper, taylormade have to get back the 50 million they paid Rory and it's us that pay and let's face it there is nothing between clubs these days ever manufacturer is up against the limit set by the r&a and PGA could explain why pxg are selling a driver for 150 quid
The new technology does matter on the PGA Tour. However, most of the elite could play with any manufacturer. Maybe you all could discuss how pga endorsements drive the equipment manufacturers. I mean Taylormade has the deck pretty well stacked and they must be shelling out some serious bucks. For me personally I think it's more cost effective to invest in some good lessons rather than going out every year and forking over hundreds of dollars. I have a Ping Driver thats 10 years old, that due to the lessons I took when I bought it, I am still hitting it 300 plus straight down the fairway, so why buy another club.
Is there an uncut version? I like the banter tbh...
Might have to investigate a "Director's Cut" version at some point...
Idk why anyone who doesn't play competitively buys the newest drivers on the market. The difference in any 5 year gap between models is small.
in the 80's and 90's and before that companies didn't change the clubs so fast maybe every 3-5 years and in the past we have seen lots of players change brands and go into a slump and it takes them 1-2 years to get used to the new ones, I've seen it with Phil twice yonex to titleist to callawy and Ernie from taylormade to titleist even Justin rose went from taylormade to Honma and that didn't even last
Payne Stewart was on top until he signed with Top Flite. Tiger basically got Nike to make his blades with a swoosh on them without copyright infringement.
When I go in to Ping factory to get fit they do not sell me the irons directly. They make you go back to a pro to have the clubs shipped there. Of course they have always been protective of the PGA chain of merchandising. Will that ever change? I don’t see them ever selling direct to the consumer. So now do a show on who actually manufactures the club heads.
No silly little girl. Ping wants to keep their long term relationships with their retail partners so you have to buy from them.
cgasucks that’s what I said, silly little boy.
When is the golf tee comparison coming?
Please, keep Miranda in the lead!
I no everyone talks about how your funding the tour players as well and tour trucks when buying new and no doubt that isn't cheap to run that but what about the cost to manufactures when they are giving your local pro a new set of clubs every year or 2 plus the cost to put those fitting carts into as many proshops as possible id have to think that bill could run well into the millions maybe even tens of millions and all that needs to be recovered as well I'd love to hear your thoughts on that and if you even have a remotely close figure that would be great
If pricing is as you say it is, why do retailers ALL charge the same price with in $20 of each other? Take callaway mavrik irons for example. $800 give or take $20 at any retailer or online. I was told by a retailer that Callaway sets the price and if they find out you're selling it too low, you don't get to sell Callaway clubs anymore..........is this true?
Yes it's true. Titleist has done this forever. As I'm sure Nike and many others do to. (apple as well)
Not just in golf. Brands do this all the time to protect their image. Just look around and you'll see it everywhere.
@@jonathanedwards6366 I would disagree with the image stance. Can you give me an example of other brands that impose such strict pricing on retailers? I'm confused as to how this is not price fixing. Not to mention a complete screw job by the club manufacturers
@@ericbarwald2795 I was thinking outside of golf. Brands like Chanel, etc.
@@jonathanedwards6366 are they(Chanel) priced exactly the same whether they be online or Brick and mortar?
$86, eBay baby!
Harry eyes roll at the corny joke about can't play a driver with a shaft...priceless...
Single biggest cost of a driver is sponsorship. Plus just Like basketball shoes they are made for a lot less than $96.
Why don't the makers put a price in there brochures for the clubs !!
I replace my driver every 15 yrs. It's worth it to put more money into lessons and playing.
How much cost for irons?
Forgot shopping costs
Friday Trunk Slammer! Print the shirt now LOL
3 golf balls, Jesus it should be 3 dozen.
WITB of DFL, FTW!
$500 for the club head and $500 for the shaft
Very funny this week.... 👍🏻
What does it cost to pay for the tour players and clubs they give away. Also to utubers to do reviews.
Not just the tour what about every proshop you go into and that manufactures fitting cart is there not to mention probably 90% of club pros have some kind of deal with a company so there's all them clubs that need to have cost recovered that bill has to run into the millions maybe even tens of millions
@26:38 uh... is this really the question that popped into your head? I can say with complete confidence that not once in my life have I ever pondered what underwear another dude is wearing!
The chart is deceiving as it references profit at each level. I believe those figures reflect only revenue. As a result, somewhat worthless.
WHERES ADAM?🤔
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No different than jewellery stores
A driver is only worth as much as it manipulates your score. #mavrik!
That woman's voice is an absolute shocker
How does PXG fit into this hierarchy?
Wheres the boss anyway?🤣
I definitely want to see a losers list.
LMAO thats a better talk show how people hack it up lol
Poor guy all that watching you guys & only gets three golf ball ..........Nice but mean ,
This is awesome....DFL, trunk slamming......new phrases for the black book. Love the idea of the biggest losers
Not gonna stick around for 27 plus minutes to find out from these dweebs
We'll do our best to get there in +/- 23 minutes. No promises, but if we don't get there, it's been real.
I out drive almost everyone I play golf with and I play a 75 dollar head and a 25 dollar shaft. I'm also never in the shit. I stay in the cart and refuse to help them look for their ball after they hit that shitty drive with their 600 driver. Then I mock them about why they shouldn't have spent that much money on their driver as their not good enough to take advantage of that technology. Needless to say, not many people want to play golf with me.