Totally different price points. I realize they are both considered a carbon riser but they are not the same. If the price is no issue then go for the Xpedition or even a PSE or Hoyt but if you just want a nice shooting lighter riser then go toward the Zion.
@@MikesArchery ibo standards are 2 fps per 1lb of draw. And 1 FPS per 3 grains or arrow weight. So yea 16fps for arrow weight being 400 grains. That brings it to 297 FPS. 10 FPS for 29 inch draw. Thats 307 FPS. It’s set at 64lbs so add your 6 pounds and that’s 12 FPS. That brings you to 319 FPS at best. Add your 8 FPS for the weight on the string and your at 327 ibo Lots of calculators out there that make this much easier obviously you can’t post pics on UA-cam. But yes at the end of the day it’s a 327 FPS ibo bow.
@@MikesArchery take your v3 27 for example. You tested at 29 70 400 grains and got 308. Here’s the math. 10 FPS for 29 inch draw brings you to 318fps 16 FPS for 400 grain arrow. 334fps 8fps for weight on the string 20 grains give or take. (Monkey tails peep sights d loops etc...) now your at 342fps. Which is exactly where it’s suppose to be.
I have been shooting X bows since they first came out and think they are great but this is disappointing. It's not game changing and it's coming in considerably under IBO.
I love my carbon icon but time for an upgrade. My bow is the lightest I have ever felt. Qith that said I don't wanna go heavier. Think this may be my next bow. 350fps.damn
Thanks for a straightforward and honest review! Not too shabby of a bow! Not a fan of the “GO” factor for a hunting bow, but if you’re a pull-thru shooter you’re prolly in shape enuf to wait some, just hopefully not too long! A relaxed shooter may have a problem with that aspect though!
Man that is a shame. Im sure its a nice shooter and light, but that is not even remotely close to stated IBO. That bow is a mid 320s IBO at best and at only 30" ATA, its a snail. The X37 is the one I would be interested in, but if the 30 misses IBO by 20+ FPS, then how slow will the X37 be?
That speed seems way down compared to their stated ibo. Even for a 60lb bow. Unfortunate hopefully the x33 performs better as that bow im extremely interested in. Great review though!
You have to consider a few things, one ibo is 30 in draw length, 70lbs shooting a 350 grain arrow. This was 1 inch shorter, 5lbs lighter, and 50 grains more on the arrow weight. The extra in of power stroke is roughly 10 fps alone maybe more depending on cam efficiency as i believe they are hybrid cams. I do not doubt that this bow puts up solid ibo numbers at spec but we shall see. I wouldn't write it off yet though. I too im dying to get that 33 in bow in my hands
@@jordanpowell228 Yupp 100% understand you even at 29" with a 400 grain arrow and 60lb limbs measured at 64 ish pounds i thought it would touch 295-300 given it has such a high ibo speed. The nexus 4 at same draw length and 60lb limbs touched 280 and was a lighter draw weight and a lower ibo rating you know.
@@ponce1521 check out aron Snyders bow review on kifaru cast. He loved the xpedition mx16 and picked that as his favorite bow out of all the flagship models he tested. If im not mistaken it was the fastest. He did his review at 80lbs though just fyi. Its a good listen
I just got mine they are awesome bows the speed issue is not as bad as the Internet makes it out to be. We have shot it against the V3 and the solution and the EVL and the are all within about 10fps of each other. For a pack bow it’s hard to beat.
I believe the correct description of the riser composition is a carbon composite ! And unless it has metal in the carbon ,its not an alloy. And love your reviews!!
Yikes. My bow is 3.25lbs, 29.25 ATA, and shoots 295fps for a fraction of the price of the Xpedition. I would have expected more bang for the buck. I’ve been major shopping for another bow and so far am shocked at the new “innovations” of the Big Brand Bow companies. Makes me want to wait for the bow to go on sale or buy a shops dusty clearance sale of last few years models. I’m stuck thinking If it’s not broken don’t fix it, but I’m still wanting to get another bow. This years 2021 line up of all the companies are making me freeze up.......... 🥶
Good review, little bit of misinformation here. This is NOT a carbon riser bow and it's not marketed as such. Curt and the team at Xpedition told us this is an aluminum alloy called X-loy by Magnite. These bows are adjustable let-off as well, they can go from 75-90% let-off. The sliding draw stops allow for let-off adjustment and they can be set up with a long or short valley with a few cable twists. In terms of weight I think they're right on it. Our X33 was 4lbs with the limb dampeners, 3.7 without. So right on the number.
Did you even watch the video? We clearly say that this is a proprietary blend of carbon and alloys called X-loy, and talk about the weights should be spot on but we had our reps personal bow that we couldn’t take the Hamskea off of, so we had to do some deduction off the weight that we got for that Hamskea. Also we were told that the bows were all 80% letoff.
@@MikesArchery yes I watched the video. I've been a dealer for X since 2014 so I know the bows very well. They are not all 80%, that's the standard set from the factory, the website even says it's adjustable. It's not marketed as a carbon riser bow because it's not a carbon riser bow. No where in any of X's marketing materials has it been marketed as such and that's why I said there's some misinformation on that. I was not disagreeing on the weight, just saying these bow really are as light as they say
Yeah that's way under stated ibo speed, and being a reps bow I'm sure it was in tune and everything not looking good for those KS rated speeds again. Hope my X37 isn't that big of a turd in speed
@@edwardberns1341 I can understand that then. If your promised 350 it better be coming in pretty damn close. Never understood why Kevin always overinflated the true speeds of these bows when there's no reason to. He done the same when he was with obsession before they canned his ass and they was 30-50 fps slower than advertised speed. My local shop had a tuned lawless and an elite ritual 35 shot out of the box faster than it did
There’s other chronos out there coming in pretty close to IBO on these bows, but yeah have seen mixed speeds. X claims they run many cycles through multiple chronos to rate em. Anything other weight on the string might have a little something to do with it here too, not sure.
I shot the X33. Nice feeling bow. I like the grip on the new design. Great improvement. SADLY, they are not even close to hitting the speeds. If you want a light bow grab a lightly used PSE Mach 1, that is advertised as 328 IBO and hitting 342 IBO. A huge over achiever. the X bows are advertised as 350 IBO and hitting 328... Bummer
All depends on your draw length, poundage and your arrow weight. When they get the IBO, it's maxed out and they use a short arrow shift with no fletching.
Same, I shoot a 2016 Pse Dream Season Decree, at 29” inches of draw length and 70 pounds of draw weight and a 368 grain arrow it was shooting 331 feet per second
I see so many negative comments regarding IBO speed on here and im not sure why. That number is somewhat arbitrary. Unless you have a 30 dl and shooting a 350 grain arrow and 70lbs with nothing on the string at all that ibo rating is about as useless as the tits on boar hog. The average weekend warrior probably couldn't get an arrow with a fixed blade broadhead to tune shooting anything faster than 300 fps. I dont get it.
People are disappointed because if you post a IBO of 350 it should be 350. This bow is coming out around 30 fps SLOWER then it’s advertised as. That’s horrible and deceptive.
@@omen2098 I shoot mostly Darton And PSE, Both meet their IBO speeds and shoot very well for me. I have tried Hoyt, Bowtech, Bear, Mathews, and a few others. For those that are notorious for lying about their speeds, I have no interest in even trying.
@@atlurker8037 I disagree but you could be right I suppose. I haven’t shot it yet but the weight reduction alone holds a place in the market. The mx16 had an exceptional draw cycle. I’m excited for the x33
I'm sorry. I found it. When they were hyping the alloy a few weeks ago they didn't mention carbon. I looked again and see it now. "A proprietary material known as X-Loy by Magnite - A blend of alloys, infused with carbon, to make a bow that is lighter than many of the carbon bows on the market and stronger than aluminum"
Sir I take my bow with my right hand I Pool with left
How do I order my bow as right or left
Absolutely love how you’re doing these reviews. This is exactly how bow reviews should be done.
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoy them!
This vs the carbon zion ?
Totally different price points. I realize they are both considered a carbon riser but they are not the same. If the price is no issue then go for the Xpedition or even a PSE or Hoyt but if you just want a nice shooting lighter riser then go toward the Zion.
Speed where it should be? For an ibo of 350fps you should have been getting 304-305 FPS it’s coming in at a solid 327 ibo
On a maxed out 60lb bow with a 400gr arrow?
@@MikesArchery ibo standards are 2 fps per 1lb of draw. And 1 FPS per 3 grains or arrow weight. So yea 16fps for arrow weight being 400 grains. That brings it to 297 FPS. 10 FPS for 29 inch draw. Thats 307 FPS. It’s set at 64lbs so add your 6 pounds and that’s 12 FPS. That brings you to 319 FPS at best. Add your 8 FPS for the weight on the string and your at 327 ibo
Lots of calculators out there that make this much easier obviously you can’t post pics on UA-cam. But yes at the end of the day it’s a 327 FPS ibo bow.
@@MikesArchery take your v3 27 for example. You tested at 29 70 400 grains and got 308.
Here’s the math. 10 FPS for 29 inch draw brings you to 318fps 16 FPS for 400 grain arrow. 334fps
8fps for weight on the string 20 grains give or take. (Monkey tails peep sights d loops etc...) now your at 342fps. Which is exactly where it’s suppose to be.
@@jwild5360 I agree completely. Per OMNICALCULATOR at 29/64 for an IBO of 348 and a 400 grain arrow would give 304.67 fps.
@@jwild5360 And I used 348 instead of 350 but did have 20 grains on the string. Off about 25 from IBO.
Please review the X33 also
Will do one as soon as we get our hands on one.
That's like 325ibo. Pretty ridiculous.
I have been shooting X bows since they first came out and think they are great but this is disappointing. It's not game changing and it's coming in considerably under IBO.
Light,Light,Light-Short,Short,Short.. On the verge of being upright Crossbows... I guess I'm Old School...
How bout that x33?
Will do it when we get our hands on one!
Now there are is another on my list to shoot in April
This bows are still not out there to test. They loosing big time. Hoyt all the way this year.
That’s not even funny slow with a 350 rating 🤦🏻
I love my carbon icon but time for an upgrade. My bow is the lightest I have ever felt. Qith that said I don't wanna go heavier. Think this may be my next bow. 350fps.damn
Rated at 350 shooting 280? Those specs do no line up, my Xpedite at 90% letoff shoots 400 grains 305 at 28in. 72 lbs.
Thanks for a straightforward and honest review! Not too shabby of a bow! Not a fan of the “GO” factor for a hunting bow, but if you’re a pull-thru shooter you’re prolly in shape enuf to wait some, just hopefully not too long! A relaxed shooter may have a problem with that aspect though!
thanks for taking the time to publish. Very helpful
Man that is a shame. Im sure its a nice shooter and light, but that is not even remotely close to stated IBO. That bow is a mid 320s IBO at best and at only 30" ATA, its a snail. The X37 is the one I would be interested in, but if the 30 misses IBO by 20+ FPS, then how slow will the X37 be?
That speed seems way down compared to their stated ibo. Even for a 60lb bow. Unfortunate hopefully the x33 performs better as that bow im extremely interested in. Great review though!
You have to consider a few things, one ibo is 30 in draw length, 70lbs shooting a 350 grain arrow. This was 1 inch shorter, 5lbs lighter, and 50 grains more on the arrow weight. The extra in of power stroke is roughly 10 fps alone maybe more depending on cam efficiency as i believe they are hybrid cams. I do not doubt that this bow puts up solid ibo numbers at spec but we shall see. I wouldn't write it off yet though. I too im dying to get that 33 in bow in my hands
@@jordanpowell228 Yupp 100% understand you even at 29" with a 400 grain arrow and 60lb limbs measured at 64 ish pounds i thought it would touch 295-300 given it has such a high ibo speed. The nexus 4 at same draw length and 60lb limbs touched 280 and was a lighter draw weight and a lower ibo rating you know.
@@ponce1521 check out aron Snyders bow review on kifaru cast. He loved the xpedition mx16 and picked that as his favorite bow out of all the flagship models he tested. If im not mistaken it was the fastest. He did his review at 80lbs though just fyi. Its a good listen
Damn that’s slow. Why didn’t he point out how far below IBO that is?
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too bad theres no dealers near me anywhere.
Give us a call we may be able to help.
Besides the price I can see you are not happy with it....
I just got mine they are awesome bows the speed issue is not as bad as the Internet makes it out to be. We have shot it against the V3 and the solution and the EVL and the are all within about 10fps of each other. For a pack bow it’s hard to beat.
Wonder if there will be riser twisting like Bowtech is know for having issues with on the Overdrive.
It's not plastic, it's aluminum
Video says its made of metals, carbon fiber and other stuff is not a solid piece.
What's this twisting you speak of ???
I believe the correct description of the riser composition is a carbon composite ! And unless it has metal in the carbon ,its not an alloy. And love your reviews!!
When you giving away the bear?
We are really close to the goal. I would say by the end of Feb. we are going to do an update video probably this week.
Yikes. My bow is 3.25lbs, 29.25 ATA, and shoots 295fps for a fraction of the price of the Xpedition. I would have expected more bang for the buck. I’ve been major shopping for another bow and so far am shocked at the new “innovations” of the Big Brand Bow companies. Makes me want to wait for the bow to go on sale or buy a shops dusty clearance sale of last few years models. I’m stuck thinking If it’s not broken don’t fix it, but I’m still wanting to get another bow. This years 2021 line up of all the companies are making me freeze up.......... 🥶
May i know what bow are you using?
This is why I kept my mx16 from last year
Good review, little bit of misinformation here. This is NOT a carbon riser bow and it's not marketed as such. Curt and the team at Xpedition told us this is an aluminum alloy called X-loy by Magnite. These bows are adjustable let-off as well, they can go from 75-90% let-off. The sliding draw stops allow for let-off adjustment and they can be set up with a long or short valley with a few cable twists. In terms of weight I think they're right on it. Our X33 was 4lbs with the limb dampeners, 3.7 without. So right on the number.
Essentially it’s magnesium
Did you even watch the video? We clearly say that this is a proprietary blend of carbon and alloys called X-loy, and talk about the weights should be spot on but we had our reps personal bow that we couldn’t take the Hamskea off of, so we had to do some deduction off the weight that we got for that Hamskea. Also we were told that the bows were all 80% letoff.
@@MikesArchery yes I watched the video. I've been a dealer for X since 2014 so I know the bows very well. They are not all 80%, that's the standard set from the factory, the website even says it's adjustable. It's not marketed as a carbon riser bow because it's not a carbon riser bow. No where in any of X's marketing materials has it been marketed as such and that's why I said there's some misinformation on that. I was not disagreeing on the weight, just saying these bow really are as light as they say
@@jessewinger5989 it's not magnesium, not even close.
Noting that letoff % adjustment is pretty straightforward with draw stops as part of the tune is a point worth making.
Yeah that's way under stated ibo speed, and being a reps bow I'm sure it was in tune and everything not looking good for those KS rated speeds again. Hope my X37 isn't that big of a turd in speed
I'm buying an x37 but I could care less about speed. Mines gonna be eating paper instead of bambi
Give it time xpedition will can Kevin just like all the other companies done. Hes pretty much cancer in the bow world
@@coltonhurley2525 I have a X37 on order myself but it's for Bambi and I personally don't like to be lied to if it comes in that far under
@@edwardberns1341 I can understand that then. If your promised 350 it better be coming in pretty damn close. Never understood why Kevin always overinflated the true speeds of these bows when there's no reason to. He done the same when he was with obsession before they canned his ass and they was 30-50 fps slower than advertised speed. My local shop had a tuned lawless and an elite ritual 35 shot out of the box faster than it did
There’s other chronos out there coming in pretty close to IBO on these bows, but yeah have seen mixed speeds. X claims they run many cycles through multiple chronos to rate em. Anything other weight on the string might have a little something to do with it here too, not sure.
That's at least 20fps slower than it should be.
That's what I was thinking. That's way off. It should be 310 to 315
You know how we like to do things around here, not know what were talking about.
How did we hurt your feelings this time?
I shot the X33. Nice feeling bow. I like the grip on the new design. Great improvement. SADLY, they are not even close to hitting the speeds.
If you want a light bow grab a lightly used PSE Mach 1, that is advertised as 328 IBO and hitting 342 IBO. A huge over achiever. the X bows are advertised as 350 IBO and hitting 328... Bummer
All depends on your draw length, poundage and your arrow weight. When they get the IBO, it's maxed out and they use a short arrow shift with no fletching.
Finally a review on this bow. Can't wait to see the x33
Seriously dude.
2014 PSE DNA 31-1/4" A/A at 352 FPS and only 3.7 lbs. SO I'm not very impressed with this 2021 X-loy bow. I'll keep shooting my 2014 DNA.
Same, I shoot a 2016 Pse Dream Season Decree, at 29” inches of draw length and 70 pounds of draw weight and a 368 grain arrow it was shooting 331 feet per second
I'm still shooting my RPM360..… Haven't found anything yet that excited me enough into buying a new one.....
I see so many negative comments regarding IBO speed on here and im not sure why. That number is somewhat arbitrary. Unless you have a 30 dl and shooting a 350 grain arrow and 70lbs with nothing on the string at all that ibo rating is about as useless as the tits on boar hog. The average weekend warrior probably couldn't get an arrow with a fixed blade broadhead to tune shooting anything faster than 300 fps. I dont get it.
People are disappointed because if you post a IBO of 350 it should be 350. This bow is coming out around 30 fps SLOWER then it’s advertised as. That’s horrible and deceptive.
That bow is off by nearly 20fps....
What bow isn't tbh
@@omen2098 You mean what other Xpeditions isn't.
@@dewboy910 apparently you haven't shot many other brands
@@omen2098 I shoot mostly Darton And PSE, Both meet their IBO speeds and shoot very well for me. I have tried Hoyt, Bowtech, Bear, Mathews, and a few others. For those that are notorious for lying about their speeds, I have no interest in even trying.
@@dewboy910 darton is on point I've got a ds3900 29/70 it produces 100ft lbs with the arrow I had
The problem with these bows it cost the companies 150 to make and they ask a 1000 percent more then what it is worth
That’s actually not true. I know for a fact that millions went into the research and design of this bow.
@@littlecupofjoe1201 Millions? Poor investment then.
@@atlurker8037 I disagree but you could be right I suppose. I haven’t shot it yet but the weight reduction alone holds a place in the market. The mx16 had an exceptional draw cycle. I’m excited for the x33
Huh? Not carbon. And you're a dealer?????
It’s a proprietary carbon/alloy blend.
@@MikesArchery link to carbon content statement from xpedition and I'll apologize.
I'm sorry. I found it. When they were hyping the alloy a few weeks ago they didn't mention carbon. I looked again and see it now.
"A proprietary material known as X-Loy by Magnite - A blend of alloys, infused with carbon, to make a bow that is lighter than many of the carbon bows on the market and stronger than aluminum"