Every time Asra was answering a difficult question, she turned to the audience, not the panelists, and started the same emotional guilt filled response, such as “I'm a mother…” “I don't want you to go through this…” just for an example. After all it seems that mothers always know best.
Lol, Yasir Qadhi was literally the only guy made sense. The rest of the three just kept jumping around from topic to topic, it was ridiculous. Agree or disagree with him (and I don't always agree with him), he was clearly the sharpest guy there.
It’s sad to hear that allegedly poetess say: take the Easy Way Out, which she translated into the “happy way out.” Which of course means doing what everyone else says and pleasing an irrational religion’s expectations. And it then goes on as irrational as to advise young girls not to even marry a Muslim from other country. It all comes down to stay close to your mom so she can control your marriage.
Yasir Qadhi by far the sharpest one there, he did simply what any other Islamic scholar would say, and that is stating the official ruling. To argue that 1400 years of Islamic scholarly tradition interpreted the verse wrong takes a lot of arrogance; if you don't like the ruling, feel free to leave the faith, but don't try changing what has been established for 1000+ years.
can someone say I am a communist but would like to have the right to have private property because it is my human rights to do so.... or can someone say I am vegetarian but love to eat meat its my human rights
The moment you overthink all of this stuff: culture, religion, family, position in society etc. just to varify your decision to marry that person, whoever it might be, is the moment where you should realise that such a relationship will go nowhere but south.
Just wasted 45 minutes of my life.... May Allah bless sheikh yasir qahdi. I feel bad for an extremely logical and rational man like yourself to have to bear sitting with all these idiotic humans.
If something is prohibited then it must be explicit and the corresponding penalty also explicit. And there is nothing in the Koran that explicitly prohibit a muslim woman to marry whom she wants - muslim or not. Much less is there a penalty for her decision for marrying a non-muslim. You can have a thousand scholars saying a muslim woman cannot marry a non-muslim but it will still be the word of men and not of God.
@@edwinsubijano263 Why do you think in the time time of Messenger Sallahu Alayhi Wasalaam when people embrace the faith they divorced their spouse who didn't embrace the faith ?
This debate is just Yasir Qadhi surrounded by a bunch of dimwits. Time was too short for debating a vast topic like this. The only guy who sounded rational and logical was Yasir Qadhi.
What is prohibited, it is prohibited... if you are a Muslim you do not follow your desires and mind, you follow the rules and laws set by the One Who Made you i.e. God/Allah. Simple as that.
Incredible that this is even an issue to debate. Isn't it the most normal thing on earth that every human being should choose their own partner freely? Everyone has the right to be happy and to be with a person they love and trust.
i think the speakers, including the chair is all great speakers but i do agree that the topic is too broad. There are 3 issues that should be discussed individually: 1. whether muslim women should be allowed to choose her own husband who is muslim.This is actually clear in Islam, they are allowed, but of course in some cultures, especially in cultures that are more traditional and close knit compared to the western cultures, it is not an easy thing. but this is the more to do with culture not Islam. 2. Whether muslim women should have the freedom to marry non muslim men 3. Whether muslim women should have the freedom to marry other women. there is no debate for no 1 because ultimately Islam allows women to have a say in whoever they marry. The debate would be more interesting and fruitful if they debated about issue 2 & 3 in depth but they keep coming back to issue no.1.
Thank you so much, Greeko25. I honestly spoke from the heart and took a position that, to me, was just commonsense. Thank you so much for your expression of support. It's a cruel world out here :) Warmly, Asra
People confuse their cultures with Islam. The fact that some Arabs behave in some ways do not necessarily mean that it is the teachings of Islam. The Quran and Sunnah should be the reference point.
All of you forgot to mention that the penalty for apostasy is Death. You forgot to mention "honour killing" within the muslim world even between mariages of the same religion ! you forgot to mention many heavy deadly issues.
+Samir08 When you feel threatened? You come to Western countries like bloodsucking leeches, turn decent neighborhoods into ghettos and try to force your shit law on us. Keep it to yourselves. If your countries are so superior than why do you come here!? I'm just stating the facts and that makes me a bigot? How many Christian churches do you allow in your country? Women can't marry a non Muslim and why is that? As for You, you judge western women calling them whores for showing the skin on their arms and legs and dress your woman in a tarp. Once again if our culture is so offensive to you then stay in your corner of the World. Your culture is an offence to the human race.
the way she talked is weird as well ... as if they were going to kill her after the debate and she was desperately trying to convince people not to do that ...
@Daveissa87 I'm glad to hear it has worked. I also have inter-christian-muslim marriages in my family. May I ask how come you are christian? Did your father influence you more than your mother? How did you choose one religion over the other? Peace
Its sad thats people life especially women is under laws written thousand years ago.. Its sad really sad.. And this happens in any religion not only islam
between 11:00 and 12:00 he completely contradicted himself. he said if you call yourself a muslim you must abide by muslim rule, but then he said that it's not as simple as for us or against us per george bush. religion is truly harvesting a crop of stupidity. this was 2009 and it is now 2015. people are truly casting off the ridiculous notions that religion has a tendency to bring.
+BenjJr Graham You must be extremely religious than, by your own silly childish reasoning, because you've demonstrated your own stupidity. Dr. Qadhi was making the point regarding Bush's remark, "your either against us or with us", in response to the FALSE DICHOTOMY that was presented to him: you either opt for a mixed marriage between a Muslim woman and a Christian man, or you settle for an unhappy marriage between two Muslims. His point was that THOSE TWO ARE NOT THE ONLY POSSIBLE OUTCOMES, and that such a state of affairs is a false dichotomy. But, to answer the host directly: yes, a Muslim marriage that falls apart, but that has great sincere effort put behind it and abides by the Qur'an and Sunnah, is better than a temporarily "happy" union between a Christian man and a Muslim woman. Why? Because, in the former, the Muslim is upholding what is the anchor of objective value and eternal happiness -- pleasing God, and in the latter she is dismissing it. Furthermore, in the former, suppose her marriage falls apart because key Qur'anic injunctions are ignored (ex. not being patient with her husband or vice versa), in the latter even if this particular injunction is upheld, she is ignoring another even more fundamental injunction (i.e. not to marry a non-Muslim man) and to instead work on establishing a HAPPY marriage with a MUSLIM man. Now, if we wish to talk about "value" -- let's talk about the standard that determines what's valuable and what's not.
If u r Muslim u have to follow the law of Islam. So we have to love our creator. So your husband important or your creater ? Can u marry if u like a donkey ? If u say yes. Go get marry.
I felt really bad when people completely misunderstood Dr. yasir qadhi ... He was just saying, Islam doesn't diminish Women's right ... And still there are oppression against women in the name of Islam ... that's the problem of the society, not Islam ... and while looking at some of the questions asked by some people, i felt they have no brain to understand this simple point he was trying to make ...
i find the fact that this show was cancelled very suspicious. can anyone tell me why they think or know the show was cancelled? i cant find an answer anywhere...
The problem with Qadhi is that he does not address 2 questions: 1) why are men permitted what is prohibited for women. 2) in the absence of a specific textual prohibition, the ijma could be said to be based on the specific cultural context of societies where it would be inconceivable for a non muslim husband to respect the religious rights of muslim women or permit his children to be raised as muslims.
Mohammed Hanif I don't think Qadhi had enough time to discuss the issue in detail. But here's what I think: 1) The Qur'an allows Muslim men to marry Christian or Jewish women 2) I believe the ijma is based on an analysis of the sunnah of the Prophet (s), not the cultural practices of the time. Wallahu a'lam.
Muslim604 on point 2) to your knowledge, was the sunna evidenced in an actual verbal prohibition from the Prophet (s) - and then do we have it confirmed in a hadith? Or was it that simply no Muslim woman was married to a Jew or Christian during the Prophetic era? If the latter, would that not be natural given that it was a society where women's choices were heavily curcumscribed by male relatives and where Ahl al Kitab would have been deemed inferior (salvifically if not socially)?. And if it that is so, it could be argued that scholarly ijma sanctified as law what was a natural paternalism and chauvinism. And the ruling is then ammenable to change based on changed contexts. Of course no such change in ijma is possible now but contemporary jurists could revise the opinion IF the historical situation was as I said earlier. These are just some thoughts based upon the differential gender treatment on this issue. Why precisely are the laws different on this issue for men and women? Is it based on the greater likelihood of women having their faith compromised and the greater likelihood of offspring being raised outside of Islam if women were allowed to marry Ahl al Kitab?
kabsat dajaj not according to traditional Islamic teaching. According to the rulings of fiqh, a muslim woman cannot marry a non-muslim whereas Muslim men can marry believing Jews and Christians.
@lilartist10 I want to know the reason why you think she didn't say "I was told 'God forbid'". As for dress code, how you dress may be a part of religion, but it's not up to you to judge who is and who is not a muslim.
Only education can beat religion.. Educate people.. Im going to marry whoever i love no matter the religion. This is not freedom, is slavery. I feel sorry for the girl from Golf. So young but so blind minded. And of course for the woman (blue scarf) that stands for her..
A beautiful verse describes how we should be acting, "Allaah will not change the condition of a people, until they change their conditions themselves" [13:11]. Meaning, until we change our condition (i.e. being constant sinners, disobedience to Allaah, not gaining correct knowledge to benefit ourselves) to a state of being obedient to Allaah, following the Prophet in absolutely everything he came with etc. then Allaah will not change our condition for us. We have to look to ourselves first!
This is a somewhat ridiculous debate if u can call it that. Yasir Qadhi clearly states that Muslim women cannot be forced into a marriage by their parents and he repeats it on several occasions. However the American woman on the far left keeps on trying to project the opposite onto what he said. This carries on for most of the debate.
+zubeida mahdi Quite expected of you as a blind follower of Islam. He doesn't talk sense but follows scripts. Hence he is Muslim society friendly and accepted. He is the biggest hypocrite living in American soil.
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace be upon him) allowed her to exercise her choice. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2091)"
muslim marraiges happens normally with the close relatives sp all points of mushrik/muafique asra is wrong....if a women is muslim and having fear of allah cant go against parents and allah rule...this is not debatable matter
Sh. Yasir Qadhi...baraka Allahu feek for your clear & straight to the point statements! May Allah guide us to see the truth as truth and follow it and see the falsehood as falsehood and avoid it AMEEN!!!
I love Asra Nomani, but she´s got a very penetrating look in her eyes. Sometimes I find it funny, sometimes, deep, sometimes, scary. But I really admire her courage.
Nasra is one of those "Reformists" like Irshad Manji who think they know the religion better than the scholars like Yasir. Yasir is respected all around, and she is in no position to challenge him, people like her want the religion to be with how you feel it should be, not how it is suppose to be.
The Quran forbids any kind of reform: 2.11 وإذا قيل لهم لا تفسدوا في الأرض قالوا إنما نحن مصلحون (reform = corruption [fasad]). And you know the punishment for Fasad?
Dear fandanstan, I wonder if you write about me as this "crazy-eyed lady" from your gentle place as a Muslim? I think it's unfortunate that Yasir Qadhi's supporters resort to such tactics as their strategy for winning a debate they lose in the court of public opinion. The argument that I made--and that most of the audience agreed with--is that interpretation of Islam should not remain the monopoly of men whom, it seems, prefer to insult others, rather than listen to the opinions of others. Asra
Muslim/Arab men are so jealous of Muslim/Arab women, even if these women are not their wives, mother, sister, aunt, or cousin. Yet these Muslim/Arab men salivate over non-Muslim/Arab women.
How stupid the arguments are! Yes a woman is FREE to choose. Just like she is free to be a Muslim or not. [La-Iqra-ha-fid-deen]. You cannot force a religion on anyone. When a woman chooses (legally) forbidden boundaries for marriage, it simply means she is NOT YET A MUSLIM, TRULY SPEAKING. Just being born a Muslim and having Arabic names do not put her/him into the list of believers. So once again YES SHE IS FREE TO CHOOSE. So the issue is he/she should choose Islam by knowledge and conviction and then automatically she will make the right choice. [Parents, society get shocked when daughters/sons choose one outside (legal) religion, but it should be an eye opener, that he/she was never a Muslim, that which would save them when the eyes will be overturned !!!!]
Seen your comments few times Concerning islamic topics and you keep saying how u left islam and how happy you are if that's how you really feel why don't you get on with this happy life without islam or are you just trying your best to convince yourself.....
Iam aziz Good for you Iam. But please don't buy the fundamentalist word which they says; live miserable in this world and live happily in other world and eternity. They speak in a way as if they are tour guides who are visiting hell and paradise on daily basis! By the way, if other world is good why all of them hang on this world by stealing, cheating, killing and torturing others! as a sample look to Iranian regime! they are doing all above!
Yes, any woman who gets married without her Wali, the marriage is invalid. There is also an hadith that says, the Wali gets give a woman away without her permission. A woman came to the prophet and complaint about her father giving her away without her permission. The Prophet offered to dissolve the marriage right away but she stopped hime and said that she just want women to know that they can't just be given away without their permission. Therefore, women have the right to choose!
Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 1: يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا عَدُوِّي وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِم بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَقَدْ كَفَرُوا بِمَا جَاءَكُم مِّنَ الْحَقِّ يُخْرِجُونَ الرَّسُولَ وَإِيَّاكُمْ أَن تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ رَبِّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ خَرَجْتُمْ جِهَادًا فِي سَبِيلِي وَابْتِغَاءَ مَرْضَاتِي تُسِرُّونَ إِلَيْهِم بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ بِمَا أَخْفَيْتُمْ وَمَا أَعْلَنتُمْ وَمَن يَفْعَلْهُ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَاءَ السَّبِيلِ O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Apostle and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path. (English - Shakir) via iQuran
As a Pantheist I found the debate a worthwhile contribution to my views on Islam, by the way the Koran does not prohibit drinking alcohol, only alcohol of the grape.
The Truth on the issue is faith as for the believing men and women, they are not confused nor question what has already been clearly decreed or stated in the Qur-an and Ahadith...
It never is a good idea to get stuck and start to say that such and such a thing are what God wants and these things can never be changed. That stops a culture and morals from developing.
And I still have to add this: I cannot believe that some people are even talking about this kind of rubbish in he 21st century world. Islam really needs to develop and change.
Consensus in the interpretation of Islam and all its contradictory mandates is just nonexistent. Why do these people insist on the righteousness of a set of rules that contradict themselves?
The smart guy wouldn't want to marry you if he knew you liked more the cute guy and you were going with him to ensure your best economic interest. That is what non muslims call "a whore" (28:31) -Just answering your question.
Also you have to take the whole surah. Meaning look at nisa. Its literal word for word laws. The surah itself isnt metaphorical in that aspect so why would someone say that that the iyads are? Take the whole religion or none of it
The problem is exercising these choices forces woman and men being kicked out of their society because of the choice they make.Choices is a double edged sword.
no condition is no boundaries, Bo boundaries is no religion - Yasir Qadhi - Well Said!!! A girl is obviously allowed to marry whoever she wants, what islam allows cannot be questioned. People should stop trying to change Islam according to their wants and desires. Islam is a strange religion, it will come to this world and to people as strange and will leave as a strange religion, but only those who care to reflect, will get an opportunity to discover. Thank you for this amazing debate!!
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. Quran 4:19
Dear Nadia Marchant, The Quran in fact does not explicitly state that a Muslim woman can't marry a non-Muslim man. It states that a Muslim man can marry a non-Muslim man and the absence of mention of Muslim women marrying non-Muslim men has been interpreted as a denial of permission, but that is an an assumption in the minds of interpreters. Granted, they may be scholars you respect, but your statement is incorrect in terms of where you assert the Quran "states" such a denial. Warmly, Asra
I think the definitions of muslim need to be clearer. It seems everyone agrees on that you should avoid marrying someone who disagrees with Muhammad's prophethood, but does accepting Muhammad as a prophet automatically make you muslim? If your husband-to-be calls himself a christian but has similar theological views as his muslim wife-to-be, does it make any difference what religion he claims? Defining what a muslim is seems to be the most difficult thing and this debate leads nowhere.
The first girl asked a question - because she actually did not really understand things/ life/marriage/religion / differences yet. I think she is still in the phase of discovery and trying to put everything together to live as a modern Islamic woman in the West in alighnment with her previous teachings out of her youth.
The title of the motion itself is misleading to non-Muslims. When Islaam was revealed by God, the first chapters that came down all dealt with topics such as the existence of God, paradise and hell, and the Hereafter and THEN, topics such as what is allowed or forbidden were revealed. This demonstrates that in order to follow such commandments, it is crucial to understand WHO is telling us this and WHY, it is crucial to build one's imaan, or faith before actually "practicing" one's religion.
As human beings we have the right to decide who we want to marry. But as a Muslim, we have submitted to follow the rules of God and therefore can only marry who God has prescribed for us. I don't understand why Asra Nomani calls herself a Muslim.
@Daveissa87 The motion is:"Muslim women should be free to marry anyone they choose" It means anyone christian, jews, hindus, women, dogs e.t.c. Yasir Qadhi was against that but he supports Muslim women marrying whomever they want long as they are Muslim. In most of the Muslim countries Women and also men don't have this freedom but its against Islam.
I lived and workd in Indonesia nfor just over 2 years. All of my local friends were Muslim womem, I am a Buddhist. All of the Muslim womem I knew married who they chose with no input from their parents.
She clearly says that is what she was told by her society, not that she herself would oppose to marrying a black man. I'm not sure why this got 20 upvotes either with an obvious misunderstanding of what Nomani was saying.
Oh my God I can't believe they are debating over this, Smh a range mariage is not free of abuse, it must be the most disgusting feeling to go to bed with someone you're family choose for you., Sad 🙁
@Kenshi76 Your right,but from the point of what the sister said,she didnt actually said that she doesnt care about the piety of a man(i just dont think sister that it was right to call her ignorant because of what she said that we might didnt understand at all). I mean for example, two men is asking you for marriage,these two men are from different race,from your own and from other race.
Narrated AbuHurayrah: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: An orphan virgin girl should be consulted about herself; if she says nothing that indicates her permission, but if she refuses, the authority of the guardian cannot be exercised against her will. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2088)"
@malikidmc You make a good point, but what the parents want best is 99.99% about money and maybe social status. Surely a parent has a great influence on a childs decisions but the point is is that a non-muslim woman can disagree to marry rather then a muslim woman who cannot, unless disagreed by her parents. Its kind of like ''Who wants to be a millionaire''; the muslim woman can think of answering the question but she cannot say ''Final answer''. That is for the parents to say.
MrAutosale, Thank you for understanding me correctly. I think the thumbs up to an assumption of discrimination on my part is so very interesting, because many of those thumbs up might be from folks who actually believe in discrimination against non-Muslim men who want to marry Muslim women. Best, Asra
As a Muslim woman myself, I completely agree that women should marry freely to whomever they want as long as it abides to Islamic law. Being a true Muslim means abiding by the Quran and hadiths of the Prophet (SAW) in every aspect of life including marriage. Especially in marriage when it encompasses half our deen. Something that should be taken very seriously.
@lilartist10 What's your basis for thinking I'm wrong? It's very clear she said "I was told 'God forbid'", what do you base your opinion on? You are in no position to consider or not consider people muslim, it's her own choice and no one else should make it any of their business how she is dressed. If she says "I am muslim" then who are you to say she's not?
May Allah bless Yasie Qadhi, he is a sheikh that argues with truth and intellectuals
Every time Asra was answering a difficult question, she turned to the audience, not the panelists, and started the same emotional guilt filled response, such as “I'm a mother…” “I don't want you to go through this…” just for an example. After all it seems that mothers always know best.
Lol, Yasir Qadhi was literally the only guy made sense. The rest of the three just kept jumping around from topic to topic, it was ridiculous. Agree or disagree with him (and I don't always agree with him), he was clearly the sharpest guy there.
100% agree
That's because he is a scholar of islam
He speaks with knowledge
Not ignorance
Pheromone true
@François Web can you be vegan and eat burgers?
It’s sad to hear that allegedly poetess say: take the Easy Way Out, which she translated into the “happy way out.” Which of course means doing what everyone else says and pleasing an irrational religion’s expectations. And it then goes on as irrational as to advise young girls not to even marry a Muslim from other country. It all comes down to stay close to your mom so she can control your marriage.
Yasir Qadhi is a great scholar, he's always a pleasure to listen to
I go with sheikh yasir in the debate!!!
Yasir Qadhi, you are good. I like your speach man.
Yasir Qadhi by far the sharpest one there, he did simply what any other Islamic scholar would say, and that is stating the official ruling.
To argue that 1400 years of Islamic scholarly tradition interpreted the verse wrong takes a lot of arrogance; if you don't like the ruling, feel free to leave the faith, but don't try changing what has been established for 1000+ years.
can someone say I am a communist but would like to have the right to have private property because it is my human rights to do so....
or can someone say I am vegetarian but love to eat meat its my human rights
Mat Mos exactly
Good debate. Thank you for posting. May Allah bless you and your family.
Never allow anyone or anything to control you.
Jazaka'Allah khair for posting. I was looking for this debate.
there is no Islamic law!! a law is for a country and all religions must follow the law of the land they chose to live in,,,, period!
What a great platform those debates are! It gets people to see, to distinguish, and to decide. The Qatar foundation deserves a medal for them.
The moment you overthink all of this stuff: culture, religion, family, position in society etc. just to varify your decision to marry that person, whoever it might be, is the moment where you should realise that such a relationship will go nowhere but south.
Jazaka'Allah bro i was waiting for this one
Just wasted 45 minutes of my life.... May Allah bless sheikh yasir qahdi. I feel bad for an extremely logical and rational man like yourself to have to bear sitting with all these idiotic humans.
Lol agree, this debate was an insult to Yasir Qadthi's intelligence mA.
Man, so true!
If something is prohibited then it must be explicit and the corresponding penalty also explicit. And there is nothing in the Koran that explicitly prohibit a muslim woman to marry whom she wants - muslim or not. Much less is there a penalty for her decision for marrying a non-muslim. You can have a thousand scholars saying a muslim woman cannot marry a non-muslim but it will still be the word of men and not of God.
@@edwinsubijano263 Why do you think in the time time of Messenger Sallahu Alayhi Wasalaam when people embrace the faith they divorced their spouse who didn't embrace the faith ?
This debate is just Yasir Qadhi surrounded by a bunch of dimwits. Time was too short for debating a vast topic like this. The only guy who sounded rational and logical was Yasir Qadhi.
WHY is this even an argument? Marry who you want to marry!!!!!
I know right! This is disgusting
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Astaghfirullah ladies, you don’t know Islam, don’t criticize it
The answer was at 8:08 thats the basis of the argument
Back in your cupboard woman! 😂
this made me write a blog. Very thought provoking.
Yasir Qadhi won that debate fair and square , god bless him
No debate. He's just right :P
+Mademoiselle Sarah Of course he didn't. He argues for control of other people's lives, that is always wrong, no matter what.
+Mademoiselle Sarah Of course he didn't. He argues for control of other people's lives, that is always wrong, no matter what.
B. Wood Yeah, pesky things like laws and such shouldn't exist... (lol)
+Mademoiselle Sarah He's the only one who spoke on behalf of adhering to the principles of Islam... There is no sound argument against his position.
It's good to get discussions and individual thoughts going on this topic to bring light to the subject and open eyes. I am 100% for womens rights.
What is prohibited, it is prohibited... if you are a Muslim you do not follow your desires and mind, you follow the rules and laws set by the One Who Made you i.e. God/Allah. Simple as that.
+Idris Ahmed Allah is not the one that has to have sex with muslim men. Eeeew!
Does Allah expressly prohibit muslim women from marrying non-muslim men?
You are missing the point of what she said. She said society would feel that way.
Incredible that this is even an issue to debate. Isn't it the most normal thing on earth that every human being should choose their own partner freely? Everyone has the right to be happy and to be with a person they love and trust.
Absolutely!
Being happy is awesome, but being responsible and happy is even better
Mir Ahsenullah being a slave of laws is awesome too to you I presume!
You should hear the basis of argument at 8:08
i think the speakers, including the chair is all great speakers but i do agree that the topic is too broad. There are 3 issues that should be discussed individually:
1. whether muslim women should be allowed to choose her own husband who is muslim.This is actually clear in Islam, they are allowed, but of course in some cultures, especially in cultures that are more traditional and close knit compared to the western cultures, it is not an easy thing. but this is the more to do with culture not Islam.
2. Whether muslim women should have the freedom to marry non muslim men
3. Whether muslim women should have the freedom to marry other women.
there is no debate for no 1 because ultimately Islam allows women to have a say in whoever they marry.
The debate would be more interesting and fruitful if they debated about issue 2 & 3 in depth but they keep coming back to issue no.1.
Thank you so much, Greeko25. I honestly spoke from the heart and took a position that, to me, was just commonsense. Thank you so much for your expression of support. It's a cruel world out here :) Warmly, Asra
People confuse their cultures with Islam. The fact that some Arabs behave in some ways do not necessarily mean that it is the teachings of Islam. The Quran and Sunnah should be the reference point.
All of you forgot to mention that the penalty for apostasy is Death. You forgot to mention "honour killing" within the muslim world even between mariages of the same religion ! you forgot to mention many heavy deadly issues.
John Online Not islam then. There is only one deathpenalty in islam, thats murder! I dont know where you biggots get you information!
+Samir08 Taqiyya and you're really not very convincing.
ladyofperpetualmotion You know what taqiyya means right? That we can hide our religion/beliefs if we feel threatened? Nothing else, biggot!
+Samir08 When you feel threatened? You come to Western countries like bloodsucking leeches, turn decent neighborhoods into ghettos and try to force your shit law on us. Keep it to yourselves. If your countries are so superior than why do you come here!? I'm just stating the facts and that makes me a bigot? How many Christian churches do you allow in your country? Women can't marry a non Muslim and why is that? As for You, you judge western women calling them whores for showing the skin on their arms and legs and dress your woman in a tarp. Once again if our culture is so offensive to you then stay in your corner of the World. Your culture is an offence to the human race.
+Samir08 Why don't you speak out against radical Muslims then? Oh, that's right - Islam is Islam.
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Maa shaa ALLAH Excellent job Yasir Qadhi, well said
the first womans eyes are weird... it looks like they are gonna pop out of her head...
the way she talked is weird as well ... as if they were going to kill her after the debate and she was desperately trying to convince people not to do that ...
I've seriouly looked at almost all these doha debates! Love em
namani,one can tell she has been emotional all her life lol
@Daveissa87 I'm glad to hear it has worked. I also have inter-christian-muslim marriages in my family. May I ask how come you are christian? Did your father influence you more than your mother? How did you choose one religion over the other?
Peace
Its sad thats people life especially women is under laws written thousand years ago.. Its sad really sad.. And this happens in any religion not only islam
Ernie K look if they don’t want to follow the religion they can go and those you choose to obey should stay and be judged within the law
between 11:00 and 12:00 he completely contradicted himself. he said if you call yourself a muslim you must abide by muslim rule, but then he said that it's not as simple as for us or against us per george bush. religion is truly harvesting a crop of stupidity. this was 2009 and it is now 2015. people are truly casting off the ridiculous notions that religion has a tendency to bring.
+BenjJr Graham You must be extremely religious than, by your own silly childish reasoning, because you've demonstrated your own stupidity. Dr. Qadhi was making the point regarding Bush's remark, "your either against us or with us", in response to the FALSE DICHOTOMY that was presented to him: you either opt for a mixed marriage between a Muslim woman and a Christian man, or you settle for an unhappy marriage between two Muslims. His point was that THOSE TWO ARE NOT THE ONLY POSSIBLE OUTCOMES, and that such a state of affairs is a false dichotomy. But, to answer the host directly: yes, a Muslim marriage that falls apart, but that has great sincere effort put behind it and abides by the Qur'an and Sunnah, is better than a temporarily "happy" union between a Christian man and a Muslim woman. Why? Because, in the former, the Muslim is upholding what is the anchor of objective value and eternal happiness -- pleasing God, and in the latter she is dismissing it. Furthermore, in the former, suppose her marriage falls apart because key Qur'anic injunctions are ignored (ex. not being patient with her husband or vice versa), in the latter even if this particular injunction is upheld, she is ignoring another even more fundamental injunction (i.e. not to marry a non-Muslim man) and to instead work on establishing a HAPPY marriage with a MUSLIM man.
Now, if we wish to talk about "value" -- let's talk about the standard that determines what's valuable and what's not.
If u r Muslim u have to follow the law of Islam. So we have to love our creator. So your husband important or your creater ? Can u marry if u like a donkey ? If u say yes. Go get marry.
Why not? You screw your dead wives. You'd screw a hole in the wall. YOUR creator is SATAN.
@hasancoool I don't support Asra, I am just clarifying the misconception that islam allows force marriage. This was also one of Asra red herring.
Thank you Asra. You need to be given noble prize for your contribution.
"God is the judge, not individuals"
I felt really bad when people completely misunderstood Dr. yasir qadhi ... He was just saying, Islam doesn't diminish Women's right ... And still there are oppression against women in the name of Islam ... that's the problem of the society, not Islam ... and while looking at some of the questions asked by some people, i felt they have no brain to understand this simple point he was trying to make ...
Moinul Hossain , I'm a Muslim women and I testify that problem is with Islam, not society
i find the fact that this show was cancelled very suspicious. can anyone tell me why they think or know the show was cancelled? i cant find an answer anywhere...
Asra Nomani is sooooo annoying. Yasir Qadhi totally won that one.
The problem with Qadhi is that he does not address 2 questions:
1) why are men permitted what is prohibited for women.
2) in the absence of a specific textual prohibition, the ijma could be said to be based on the specific cultural context of societies where it would be inconceivable for a non muslim husband to respect the religious rights of muslim women or permit his children to be raised as muslims.
Mohammed Hanif I don't think Qadhi had enough time to discuss the issue in detail. But here's what I think:
1) The Qur'an allows Muslim men to marry Christian or Jewish women
2) I believe the ijma is based on an analysis of the sunnah of the Prophet (s), not the cultural practices of the time. Wallahu a'lam.
Muslim604 on point 2) to your knowledge, was the sunna evidenced in an actual verbal prohibition from the Prophet (s) - and then do we have it confirmed in a hadith? Or was it that simply no Muslim woman was married to a Jew or Christian during the Prophetic era?
If the latter, would that not be natural given that it was a society where women's choices were heavily curcumscribed by male relatives and where Ahl al Kitab would have been deemed inferior (salvifically if not socially)?.
And if it that is so, it could be argued that scholarly ijma sanctified as law what was a natural paternalism and chauvinism. And the ruling is then ammenable to change based on changed contexts.
Of course no such change in ijma is possible now but contemporary jurists could revise the opinion IF the historical situation was as I said earlier.
These are just some thoughts based upon the differential gender treatment on this issue.
Why precisely are the laws different on this issue for men and women?
Is it based on the greater likelihood of women having their faith compromised and the greater likelihood of offspring being raised outside of Islam if women were allowed to marry Ahl al Kitab?
Actually there was no winner or loser. They both said the same thing more or less. A woman has a choice to marry who she wants.
kabsat dajaj not according to traditional Islamic teaching. According to the rulings of fiqh, a muslim woman cannot marry a non-muslim whereas Muslim men can marry believing Jews and Christians.
Dr. Yasir Qadhi is the best Islamic theological expert in the world today. Allah Subhanahuatayla bless him with hayat-e-tayeba.
Yasir Qadhi, your always in the belly of the beast,may Allah grant you victory inshAllah.
@lilartist10 I want to know the reason why you think she didn't say "I was told 'God forbid'". As for dress code, how you dress may be a part of religion, but it's not up to you to judge who is and who is not a muslim.
Only education can beat religion.. Educate people.. Im going to marry whoever i love no matter the religion. This is not freedom, is slavery. I feel sorry for the girl from Golf. So young but so blind minded. And of course for the woman (blue scarf) that stands for her..
A beautiful verse describes how we should be acting, "Allaah will not change the condition of a people, until they change their conditions themselves" [13:11]. Meaning, until we change our condition (i.e. being constant sinners, disobedience to Allaah, not gaining correct knowledge to benefit ourselves) to a state of being obedient to Allaah, following the Prophet in absolutely everything he came with etc. then Allaah will not change our condition for us. We have to look to ourselves first!
The two ladies debating did a great job. especially the girl on the left.
+Nicholas Stafford
is it counincidence this is the top comment?
This is a somewhat ridiculous debate if u can call it that. Yasir Qadhi clearly states that Muslim women cannot be forced into a marriage by their parents and he repeats it on several occasions. However the American woman on the far left keeps on trying to project the opposite onto what he said. This carries on for most of the debate.
Proud to.be moslimah ;;;;I like really the way Mr Qadhi talks
u r a slave.
+zubeida mahdi Quite expected of you as a blind follower of Islam. He doesn't talk sense but follows scripts. Hence he is Muslim society friendly and accepted. He is the biggest hypocrite living in American soil.
Somak Kumar Chaudhuri - *Most hypocrites live in apartheid India*
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: "A virgin came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and mentioned that her father had married her against her will, so the Prophet (peace be upon him) allowed her to exercise her choice. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2091)"
muslim marraiges happens normally with the close relatives sp all points of mushrik/muafique asra is wrong....if a women is muslim and having fear of allah cant go against parents and allah rule...this is not debatable matter
do u know the rules or believe the agendas.
Sh. Yasir Qadhi...baraka Allahu feek for your clear & straight to the point statements! May Allah guide us to see the truth as truth and follow it and see the falsehood as falsehood and avoid it AMEEN!!!
I love Asra Nomani, but she´s got a very penetrating look in her eyes. Sometimes I find it funny, sometimes, deep, sometimes, scary. But I really admire her courage.
she speaks nonsense
She does not understand Islam. Or she does not have strong Inman.
wow how can u say she does not have strong Iman? do u see what's in her heart?
Nasra is one of those "Reformists" like Irshad Manji who think they know the religion better than the scholars like Yasir. Yasir is respected all around, and she is in no position to challenge him, people like her want the religion to be with how you feel it should be, not how it is suppose to be.
The Quran forbids any kind of reform: 2.11 وإذا قيل لهم لا تفسدوا في الأرض قالوا إنما نحن مصلحون (reform = corruption [fasad]). And you know the punishment for Fasad?
Dear fandanstan, I wonder if you write about me as this "crazy-eyed lady" from your gentle place as a Muslim? I think it's unfortunate that Yasir Qadhi's supporters resort to such tactics as their strategy for winning a debate they lose in the court of public opinion. The argument that I made--and that most of the audience agreed with--is that interpretation of Islam should not remain the monopoly of men whom, it seems, prefer to insult others, rather than listen to the opinions of others. Asra
Muslim/Arab men are so jealous of Muslim/Arab women, even if these women are not their wives, mother, sister, aunt, or cousin. Yet these Muslim/Arab men salivate over non-Muslim/Arab women.
+JCsTurn68 C pussified male spotted!!!!
+Trevis Blake • Unbelievable
Muslim men must protect muslim women
if you can not follow the rules and also do not agree with the rules then how can you be a muslim
rules .learn yourself what the rules are.it's gonna take time to research the Qur'an.so no one does that so only believe what the elite says.
How stupid the arguments are! Yes a woman is FREE to choose. Just like she is free to be a Muslim or not. [La-Iqra-ha-fid-deen]. You cannot force a religion on anyone.
When a woman chooses (legally) forbidden boundaries for marriage, it simply means she is NOT YET A MUSLIM, TRULY SPEAKING. Just being born a Muslim and having Arabic names do not put her/him into the list of believers. So once again YES SHE IS FREE TO CHOOSE. So the issue is he/she should choose Islam by knowledge and conviction and then automatically she will make the right choice.
[Parents, society get shocked when daughters/sons choose one outside (legal) religion, but it should be an eye opener, that he/she was never a Muslim, that which would save them when the eyes will be overturned !!!!]
lol whatever a real muslim is anyone that submits to His Will.
that person could a jew or even a mexican.
you are just a racist
simple as that
The rulings in the Quranic texts that curtails the freedom of women to marry is one of the many reasons many are leaving the religion..
Forget islam and live happily ever after..... I did.
Seen your comments few times Concerning islamic topics and you keep saying how u left islam and how happy you are if that's how you really feel why don't you get on with this happy life without islam or are you just trying your best to convince yourself.....
im learning Islam and im feeling happier....
MUNAWIRUL HADI Munawirul, good for you. Let's see how long this happiness will last! I met many people like you but they gave up after some times!
We aim for eternal happiness mate, not just wordly, but good for you! I found Islam and live happy
Iam aziz Good for you Iam. But please don't buy the fundamentalist word which they says; live miserable in this world and live happily in other world and eternity. They speak in a way as if they are tour guides who are visiting hell and paradise on daily basis! By the way, if other world is good why all of them hang on this world by stealing, cheating, killing and torturing others! as a sample look to Iranian regime! they are doing all above!
And where did you get that from ? I need your source please
Syrian guy is none sc
Light Yagami he doesn’t know what his saying
Yes, any woman who gets married without her Wali, the marriage is invalid. There is also an hadith that says, the Wali gets give a woman away without her permission. A woman came to the prophet and complaint about her father giving her away without her permission. The Prophet offered to dissolve the marriage right away but she stopped hime and said that she just want women to know that they can't just be given away without their permission. Therefore, women have the right to choose!
Asra Nomani is a cry baby,
Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 1:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا عَدُوِّي وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِم بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَقَدْ كَفَرُوا بِمَا جَاءَكُم مِّنَ الْحَقِّ يُخْرِجُونَ الرَّسُولَ وَإِيَّاكُمْ أَن تُؤْمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ رَبِّكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ خَرَجْتُمْ جِهَادًا فِي سَبِيلِي وَابْتِغَاءَ مَرْضَاتِي تُسِرُّونَ إِلَيْهِم بِالْمَوَدَّةِ وَأَنَا أَعْلَمُ بِمَا أَخْفَيْتُمْ وَمَا أَعْلَنتُمْ وَمَن يَفْعَلْهُ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَاءَ السَّبِيلِ
O you who believe! do not take My enemy and your enemy for friends: would you offer them love while they deny what has come to you of the truth, driving out the Apostle and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord? If you go forth struggling hard in My path and seeking My pleasure, would you manifest love to them? And I know what you conceal and what you manifest; and whoever of you does this, he indeed has gone astray from the straight path.
(English - Shakir)
via iQuran
As a Pantheist I found the debate a worthwhile contribution to my views on Islam, by the way the Koran does not prohibit drinking alcohol, only alcohol of the grape.
The Truth on the issue is faith as for the believing men and women, they are not confused nor question what has already been clearly decreed or stated in the Qur-an and Ahadith...
@MrTakeiteasy1 btw, i forgot to congratulate my brother Yasir Qadhi. may Allah grant him jannatul firdausil a'ala
It never is a good idea to get stuck and start to say that such and such a thing are what God wants and these things can never be changed. That stops a culture and morals from developing.
And I still have to add this: I cannot believe that some people are even talking about this kind of rubbish in he 21st century world. Islam really needs to develop and change.
Consensus in the interpretation of Islam and all its contradictory mandates is just nonexistent. Why do these people insist on the righteousness of a set of rules that contradict themselves?
Subhanallah!!!! Pls. guide us to the right path...
The smart guy wouldn't want to marry you if he knew you liked more the cute guy and you were going with him to ensure your best economic interest. That is what non muslims call "a whore" (28:31) -Just answering your question.
Also you have to take the whole surah. Meaning look at nisa. Its literal word for word laws. The surah itself isnt metaphorical in that aspect so why would someone say that that the iyads are? Take the whole religion or none of it
The problem is exercising these choices forces woman and men being kicked out of their society because of the choice they make.Choices is a double edged sword.
As usual, SaqibSaab is your one-stop source for Shaykh Yasir Qadhi videos :)
no condition is no boundaries,
Bo boundaries is no religion - Yasir Qadhi - Well Said!!!
A girl is obviously allowed to marry whoever she wants, what islam allows cannot be questioned. People should stop trying to change Islam according to their wants and desires.
Islam is a strange religion, it will come to this world and to people as strange and will leave as a strange religion, but only those who care to reflect, will get an opportunity to discover.
Thank you for this amazing debate!!
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. Quran 4:19
Dear Nadia Marchant, The Quran in fact does not explicitly state that a Muslim woman can't marry a non-Muslim man. It states that a Muslim man can marry a non-Muslim man and the absence of mention of Muslim women marrying non-Muslim men has been interpreted as a denial of permission, but that is an an assumption in the minds of interpreters. Granted, they may be scholars you respect, but your statement is incorrect in terms of where you assert the Quran "states" such a denial. Warmly, Asra
I think the definitions of muslim need to be clearer. It seems everyone agrees on that you should avoid marrying someone who disagrees with Muhammad's prophethood, but does accepting Muhammad as a prophet automatically make you muslim?
If your husband-to-be calls himself a christian but has similar theological views as his muslim wife-to-be, does it make any difference what religion he claims?
Defining what a muslim is seems to be the most difficult thing and this debate leads nowhere.
The first girl asked a question - because she actually did not really understand things/ life/marriage/religion / differences yet. I think she is still in the phase of discovery and trying to put everything together to live as a modern Islamic woman in the West in alighnment with her previous teachings out of her youth.
The title of the motion itself is misleading to non-Muslims. When Islaam was revealed by God, the first chapters that came down all dealt with topics such as the existence of God, paradise and hell, and the Hereafter and THEN, topics such as what is allowed or forbidden were revealed. This demonstrates that in order to follow such commandments, it is crucial to understand WHO is telling us this and WHY, it is crucial to build one's imaan, or faith before actually "practicing" one's religion.
As human beings we have the right to decide who we want to marry.
But as a Muslim, we have submitted to follow the rules of God and therefore can only marry who God has prescribed for us.
I don't understand why Asra Nomani calls herself a Muslim.
Asra is not a sheep like most of the muslims and can think for herself.. Religion divides humanity.
@Daveissa87 The motion is:"Muslim women should be free to marry anyone they choose" It means anyone christian, jews, hindus, women, dogs e.t.c. Yasir Qadhi was against that but he supports Muslim women marrying whomever they want long as they are Muslim. In most of the Muslim countries Women and also men don't have this freedom but its against Islam.
I lived and workd in Indonesia nfor just over 2 years. All of my local friends were Muslim womem, I am a Buddhist. All of the Muslim womem I knew married who they chose with no input from their parents.
She clearly says that is what she was told by her society, not that she herself would oppose to marrying a black man. I'm not sure why this got 20 upvotes either with an obvious misunderstanding of what Nomani was saying.
Oh my God I can't believe they are debating over this, Smh a range mariage is not free of abuse, it must be the most disgusting feeling to go to bed with someone you're family choose for you., Sad 🙁
Education doesn't necessarily equal good sense. Case and point.
@12:40 does Habash even understand what compulsion means or even what the derived aya "there is no compulsion in religion" means...?
Often when it comes to debate about women's rights you would see men in the comment section praising whatever is going against women
@Kenshi76 Your right,but from the point of what the sister said,she didnt actually said that she doesnt care about the piety of a man(i just dont think sister that it was right to call her ignorant because of what she said that we might didnt understand at all). I mean for example, two men is asking you for marriage,these two men are from different race,from your own and from other race.
Narrated AbuHurayrah: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: An orphan virgin girl should be consulted about herself; if she says nothing that indicates her permission, but if she refuses, the authority of the guardian cannot be exercised against her will. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2088)"
Where is the actual quote in the Qur'an that forbids Muslim women from marrying men of the Book?
Islam is the truth and who ever doesn't act upon it will be unsuccessful in this life and in the hereafter
@malikidmc You make a good point, but what the parents want best is 99.99% about money and maybe social status. Surely a parent has a great influence on a childs decisions but the point is is that a non-muslim woman can disagree to marry rather then a muslim woman who cannot, unless disagreed by her parents. Its kind of like ''Who wants to be a millionaire''; the muslim woman can think of answering the question but she cannot say ''Final answer''. That is for the parents to say.
MrAutosale, Thank you for understanding me correctly. I think the thumbs up to an assumption of discrimination on my part is so very interesting, because many of those thumbs up might be from folks who actually believe in discrimination against non-Muslim men who want to marry Muslim women. Best, Asra
Great Asra! very nice spoken.
As a Muslim woman myself, I completely agree that women should marry freely to whomever they want as long as it abides to Islamic law. Being a true Muslim means abiding by the Quran and hadiths of the Prophet (SAW) in every aspect of life including marriage. Especially in marriage when it encompasses half our deen. Something that should be taken very seriously.
@lilartist10 What's your basis for thinking I'm wrong? It's very clear she said "I was told 'God forbid'", what do you base your opinion on?
You are in no position to consider or not consider people muslim, it's her own choice and no one else should make it any of their business how she is dressed. If she says "I am muslim" then who are you to say she's not?