This video provided a lot of new good perspectives on a videogame than what I originally said! Good thoughts. Also, it was really well produced. I enjoyed watching this ad much as any regular video I'd watch!
@pixelbit_ yes it should, although I would add that the interaction needed for a game can be super limited as some games do play themselves. This very concept was actually used for a game jam
Dang! It’s great to hear persona 5. Video game is where you learn, interact, use what you learned, and enjoy using what you learned. But for me, video game the best ones are the one you be the character, choose his/her choice(action, interaction, combtat), adapt to the choice, learn the consequences of that choice and lastly accepting that choice. Basically, living in the game. Immersion, realism and etc. it’s all the same for me.
I literally open a calculator and do 1 + 1, and repeatedly press enter to increase the number when I'm so ridiculously bored that there's literally nothing else to do. So yes, calculator is a game. To me at least. In a similar vein, there is an educational tool called "Algodoo", used to teach students about physics. It's literally just a physics sandbox and nothing more. Despite that, it has a community of people playing and creating with it, which I think is really cool. I played it like a game for a quite a while, and I still come back to it every few years just to mess around and explore what the community has created.
The Telltale and Clue DVD examples were pretty good, but visual novels are were the line is very very blurry. Ngl, given how obscure some of the stuff mentioned here were, I was genuinely surprised how Visual Novels were completely absent from the convo.
I was debating asking about those, but decided that Telltale was an example that my friends would more likely know about while still having a similar example.
Wonderful video! Just from watching, I came up with my own big issues that I've been wrestling with as I've considered the problem. Second Life is an online virtual world with attached social systems like a chat mechanic. Users can customize their avatars, move around the world, and participate in various activities such as economic systems. The creators are insistent that Second Life is not a game, but I personally think it is one. IMVU is an online virtual world with an attached chat room, where users can place customizable 3D avatars in pre-defined poses in a scene. There is an attached economic system where users can acquire (or purchase) credits to unlock special features and cosmetics. IMVU's status as a video game is debated. Reddit is an online message board, where users have customizable avatars, the abilities to score points (in the form of Karma), and trade special currencies in the form of Reddit gold and Reddit silver. Generally, Reddit is not considered a video game. Another example I thought up: say you have a physical chess board and begin a game with a friend online. You position a camera to view the board, and your friend relays their moves through voice chat. Is your friend playing a video game? If so, does that mean something can be a video game for one user and a traditional game for another. Now say your friend uses a chess AI to pick their moves. Are *you* playing a video game by playing against the chess bot? Remember, you don't see their screen, only the physical board. (Bonus: You and your friend could have agreed to use the chess bot, but your friend could have also used it in secret. Does the difference in these scenarios have any implications for the argument that user intent matters?)
I'm a game developer. I think that a video game is anything that is digitally made and controlled and made for the user to have fun using. A game can be as simple as clicking a button at the right time. Or merging balls. And intent of the user matters more, you can make a video game in Microsoft spreadsheets and probably play dnd with it or something, but it's not what it's made for.
So if you've played games ON a calculator.... the calculator is the platform, or console, on which you are playing a game.. the game is some set of rules imposed upon a system. So you can make a game out of a calculator, but in itself it's just a tool
It's a spectrum. Whether it's audiobooks, ms paint, online chess, telltale, firewatch, tlou, elden ring or cookie clicker, I think we all can agree that people who play video games are a bunch or n🤓rds and deserve to get bullied #unity
This video provided a lot of new good perspectives on a videogame than what I originally said! Good thoughts. Also, it was really well produced. I enjoyed watching this ad much as any regular video I'd watch!
Changed my stance upon the subject many times throughout the vid. Amazing idea and video!
I was one of the 5 first comments!🥳🥳🥳
Found your channel through your two Oneshot Lore Reviews. Surprised this channel isn't bigger!
I would say a solid definition is " a virtual product intended for entertainment purposes"
I feel like "interactivity" has to go in that definition somewhere.
@pixelbit_ yes it should, although I would add that the interaction needed for a game can be super limited as some games do play themselves. This very concept was actually used for a game jam
Dang! It’s great to hear persona 5.
Video game is where you learn, interact, use what you learned, and enjoy using what you learned.
But for me, video game the best ones are the one you be the character, choose his/her choice(action, interaction, combtat), adapt to the choice, learn the consequences of that choice and lastly accepting that choice.
Basically, living in the game. Immersion, realism and etc. it’s all the same for me.
I literally open a calculator and do 1 + 1, and repeatedly press enter to increase the number when I'm so ridiculously bored that there's literally nothing else to do.
So yes, calculator is a game. To me at least.
In a similar vein, there is an educational tool called "Algodoo", used to teach students about physics. It's literally just a physics sandbox and nothing more.
Despite that, it has a community of people playing and creating with it, which I think is really cool. I played it like a game for a quite a while, and I still come back to it every few years just to mess around and explore what the community has created.
underrated channel
Damn bro you are really good at Celeste
uh, thanks i guess
@@pixelbit_ also, this video is honestly really good! I personally think you're seriously underrated
@@Notdog610so is that a compliment or insult? being good at celeste..
my favorite game personally is the Clue dvd set
The Telltale and Clue DVD examples were pretty good, but visual novels are were the line is very very blurry.
Ngl, given how obscure some of the stuff mentioned here were, I was genuinely surprised how Visual Novels were completely absent from the convo.
I was debating asking about those, but decided that Telltale was an example that my friends would more likely know about while still having a similar example.
Wonderful video! Just from watching, I came up with my own big issues that I've been wrestling with as I've considered the problem.
Second Life is an online virtual world with attached social systems like a chat mechanic. Users can customize their avatars, move around the world, and participate in various activities such as economic systems. The creators are insistent that Second Life is not a game, but I personally think it is one.
IMVU is an online virtual world with an attached chat room, where users can place customizable 3D avatars in pre-defined poses in a scene. There is an attached economic system where users can acquire (or purchase) credits to unlock special features and cosmetics. IMVU's status as a video game is debated.
Reddit is an online message board, where users have customizable avatars, the abilities to score points (in the form of Karma), and trade special currencies in the form of Reddit gold and Reddit silver. Generally, Reddit is not considered a video game.
Another example I thought up: say you have a physical chess board and begin a game with a friend online. You position a camera to view the board, and your friend relays their moves through voice chat. Is your friend playing a video game? If so, does that mean something can be a video game for one user and a traditional game for another.
Now say your friend uses a chess AI to pick their moves. Are *you* playing a video game by playing against the chess bot? Remember, you don't see their screen, only the physical board. (Bonus: You and your friend could have agreed to use the chess bot, but your friend could have also used it in secret. Does the difference in these scenarios have any implications for the argument that user intent matters?)
Great video!❤❤
I'm a game developer.
I think that a video game is anything that is digitally made and controlled and made for the user to have fun using.
A game can be as simple as clicking a button at the right time. Or merging balls. And intent of the user matters more, you can make a video game in Microsoft spreadsheets and probably play dnd with it or something, but it's not what it's made for.
Nice video!
The way he pronounces "Draughts" lol
D R O W T S
XD
the internet lied to me
@@pixelbit_ yeah, it'll do that haha.
Have you seen Ahoy's video on the first video game?
Some good discussion on what makes a video game in there.
@@nuberiffic I have, I watched it while researching for this video. It provided a good amount of inspiration.
@@pixelbit_ Yeah, he does good work.
I've probably watched that video 3 or 4 times. Great little documentary.
Liking your stuff too man, keep it up :)
But are completely linear visual novels video games? The present the player with no choices, yet they are often referred to as games.
You control the speed of the chatbox and when to skip dialog :D
Not if they’re on auto mode
a calculator is a videogame
i have spent hours playing clicker games on a calculator
So if you've played games ON a calculator.... the calculator is the platform, or console, on which you are playing a game.. the game is some set of rules imposed upon a system. So you can make a game out of a calculator, but in itself it's just a tool
@@eyeCubish celeste is not a game unless you play it
@@baniduno4786is the ps4 a game
It's a spectrum. Whether it's audiobooks, ms paint, online chess, telltale, firewatch, tlou, elden ring or cookie clicker, I think we all can agree that people who play video games are a bunch or n🤓rds and deserve to get bullied #unity
Bro why does he hate genshin with such a burning passion lol 😭😭