S&W M&P 5.7x28 Revisited
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- Revisiting the S&W M&P 5.7x28 and seeing if some break in helps the feeding issues.
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Had the same problem with mine. I called S&W and the guy I talked to was great. He told me once you load the mag smack it against something hard to seat the rounds. Just like you would on your metal AR mags. Never had a problem after seating the rounds in the mags.
I disassembled, cleaned, and lubed them before the range. After that I put 100 rounds through them without issues.
I'm really glad to hear this. Thanks for the update. I just bought an M&P 5.7 LOL
Thank you for your follow up review. I feel better because I am in the same situation you were in when you first fired at New. I agree with you 100% also that if the firearm was designed to hold 22 it should hold and fire 22 with no issues and all available anmo of that caliber
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
100% that is always my argument. Shouldn't say a gun can hold a certain amount if we have to shoot 500 rounds before it can actually do it. Investing in a machine that flexes springs can't be that complicated.
I really wanted a 5.7 too and I have had a very difficult time even getting the mag into the gun itself. I have to literally slam it inside because it does not want to go in and each time I do that it slightly damages the round. Like small dents and things... So I am not certain if it is supposed to be like that or not.
I took my mags apart and lightly polished/sanded the follower and lightly oiled them and I have not had any issues since doing that.
I got one, and after loading the mag I smacked the back of the mag into my hand to make sure the rounds were seated properly and had no issues. If I didn't do that I had some hang-ups.
With mine I left both mags fully loaded with fn blue box(ss197sr) for about 2-3 days before going to range and had no issues, currently on my 4th range trip and tried some fiochi,american eagle, and aac offerings all ran fine, the American eagle didn't seem to have the coating in the case that the others do
I had the same problem, but I run my guns through 1000s of rounds and after doing so with the 5.7, it runs like better now. Even loading the mag is no longer a pain in the ass where as when it was new it was a BEAR to get all 22 in it. For mine the breakin period was about 150 rounds. It's my favorite handgun and I own a LOT of them. It's literally replaced my 9mm EDC after the breakin worked out all the kinks. No more having to really slap the mag, hard loading mags, nor OOB issues. It's a tackdriver to boot.
I’m having mag problems that’s why I didn’t get the Ruger because of its mag issues. Then I went with the S&W because of the rotating barrel. Now I’m having mag issues with it right out of the box, now I want to sale it and get the PSA 5.7 asap!!
Cheap ammo, cheap results. Love the videos!!!
Thank you
I use hollow points in mine and it works fine , but the ballistic tips are where it has issues
Hopefully the not going into battery is a break in issue. That is a cool pistol. The 5.7x28 is an interesting caliber.
Yeah the thing is super tight.. Feels like there's very very very very little free play if any
I imagine QC at SW is just not doing a great job. 4 of my 6 magazines will fail every time after a couple shots. All mags have had a break in period. And my most recent trip had a few of the failure to go into battery malfunction.
I want to like the S&W, but I have had two FNH’s for about 8 or 10 years now and I have never had to force a mag in and have NEVER had any fail to feeds or ejects. Nothing. It just runs. My only gripe is that I’m not crazy about the safety location and the barrel isn’t threaded. Other than that, they just work reliably and are very accurate. I believe the FN’s are the better guns overall, but people want to hate them because they cost way more
I also have an FN FiveseveN Mk2 and only had one malfunction with 27 grain FN blue box. However, with the rental, it would often FTE after the first round with every type of ammo. I've heard they need to be cleaned well from the factory due to grease. But as long as you keep it fairly clean and maybe avoid the lower power FN 27 grain blue box stuff, it should be reliable enough. I personally just like the look and feel and quality of the FN FiveseveN vs the others but for sure, the PSA and S&W have some advantages for a lower price. I haven't shot those yet but I shot the Ruger and definitely didn't like it as much as the FN.
I think the quality of FN’s 57 is tested, decades long use in military and is on like it’s third generation. However you must admit M&Ps also have a good track record and their 5.7 offers much more at a much cheaper price.
@@BLINC606 I do agree with you that the price point/ value for the money is very good for the S&W, plus I think the model has a lot of very good innovation in it. It just appears to have a few quirks that has turned me off for now. I will also say that as much as I like FNH products, their customer service has never impressed me (I really never needed it but just the same they should be better). I would pick the FN if money wasn’t the issue, but if all I had was the smith, I’m sure I would like it to.
@@Colonel1Bravo I think the S&W with a few years more R&D will be amazing. I mean I love mine as is right now (I haven’t had any feeding issues, although the mags are extremely annoying to load). I like the FN, I just feel like they should drop the price at this point. If you’re just paying for the quality, it’s still no excuse to be $1200, glocks are $500.
That's why I want the fn 57 I don't care if it's the first generation I had the Ruger I had plenty of jams and hiccups so I'm saving up for the first gen fn 5.7
I just bought one about a month or two ago and the only issue I’ve had is having to really slap the mags in like you said, it’s not really an issue but just the closest thing to a problem that I’ve had with mine so far. Other than that it’s a great shooting gun and it does have like zero recoil lol
Sadly I hold the release button when inserting to avoid that roughy loading but A1 firearm
@@YahSy340 ahh I haven’t tried that but I’ll keep it in mind the next time I shoot it, appreciate it
I have had the same issue too where I have to viciously slap that mag inside
@@lukebrito4279 mine’s seemed to get easier over time but I still gotta smack that ass from time to time, I really need to shoot it more but you know them 5.7’s are expensive and hard to find in stores plus having 3 other guns chambered in 5.7 doesn’t help either lol
@@lukebrito4279 but other than that issue how have you liked it so far?
One other thing is the red. You chose the CYLEE read. You chose I believe weighs 1.4 Oz. They talk about not using red dots the way over 1 oz and if you do you're going to expect to have cycling issues/out of battery issues because the slide is cut for a certain weight and again if you read the fine print it says specifically not to use any red. The ways over one oz. That's also true for the Ruger 57 is to not use a red. That weighs over one oz or 28 G 29 G somewhere in that range. Now the company that makes the red. You used have a 1-oz sized red. But I don't know that yours is the Pro cat version. The hollow sun 507 k X2 is a 1 oz Red Dot Green Dot that has a 2 MOA reticle with a ring around that. That I think is 32 MOA which is sometimes referred to as the ring of death but having that fine point that 2 MOA Red Dot gives you a very precise point of impact which gives you a lot further range an accuracy out of the gun assuming you don't have old man eyes. LOL. But you got to watch the weight of your red. It does make a real and noticeable difference if you run one that's too heavy and I've made that mistake before so I can speak from experience.
Unboxed my new S&W 5.7 for initial inspection, cleaning and lubricating. Was shocked to find serious corrosion around the barrel in the area of the gas port and first flute !! Not only was there corrosion but the protective outer finish was removed/missing!I used standard cleaning methods using gun cleaner and a nylon brush. Also used an inspection magnifying loupe and sure enough it was significant corrosion! I never fired it because of the reported higher barrel pressures of the 5.7! Returned the gun to FFL where I purchased it to send in T Smith & Wesson. Has anyone who purchased a new S&W 5.7 experienced this!
That’s not something that mine had. Hopefully others will see this comment and chime in.
Indeed. Had the same exact issue. Came home, unboxed it, filled up the magazine, and it was having chambering problems / issues with fully closing the tempo twist barrel. Figured, ah, it just needs cleaned and lubed up a little. Broke it down, and immediately noticed that the inside of the barrel was pretty damn dirty, and in the exact some spot on the barrel that you noted, near the gas port, was dirty and corroded as well. So much so that I showed my girlfriend, which I know she doesn’t give 2 shits about.
why does this occur? is moisture attracted to the carbon fouling, or is the gas itself cutting through the metal?
I noticed this same thing on mine, but it was after a couple of trips to the range. I had field stripped it, cleaned it, lubed it before I took it to the range. Barrel was fine. After the Two trips, I noticed corrosion around the gas port. That said, I have never had a single failure to feed on mine. That's firing multiple types of ammo, including sub and supersonic from my rugged oculus 22 can. There are definitely seat issues with the mags, though. Really have to slap that thing in there on a closed slide!
@projectbloobook3138 I smacked it in on a closed slide and found it had dented the brass of the top round. Now I pretty much only insert a mag with the slide open. It really is an incredible shooting gun though.
One other comment is, as I look at your gun and where the cam pieces where the barrel shroud in the barrel meet, you do know you were supposed to completely strip that is to field strip it to clean it but you're supposed to strip it and clean it before you ever fire it because they add a almost like a grease like a Vaseline type stuff smeared and took some of the cam parts on the barrel and barrel shroud so in shipping it doesn't have any chance of any corrosion or moisture and might even shipped with a oil paper saturated wax paper stuff that a lot of machine tool stuff comes wrapped up in for the same reason because it's got oil and pregnate it in this paper and it helped preserve metal even metal that's got a oxide finish and shouldn't be rusting anyway you'll still see this kind of paper used to pack metal stuff. But it looks like in the close-up of your gun when you showed us your site that you put on it your red dot, it looks like you can still see that donkey or thicker oil / grease that came on the gun and that very well could be slowing your action and operation of the gun down. It actually says do not pull the gun out and use it right away you must break it down to field strip it and clean every bit of that crap off and it emphasizes to lightly oil this gun. Because it's gas operated you cannot use lots of oil on this gun. Please check to make sure you cleaned it and be honest with everybody here because if you didn't clean it exactly as they say you'll have problems. It talks about you do not want that lubricant they put on the gun for packing and shipping and all that to end up being used when you shoot it cuz it'll dunk up and get even more dirty and nasty if you don't clean that s*** out of there and put in some really nice oil-like ballistol or some other cleaner pops or whatever you choose CLP, or something like slip 2000 is a decent product. Also Lucas makes a mil-spec synthetic oil lubricant for handguns well all guns. But you need to use a very light light oil and not a ton of it
I saw a video where someone was explaining how they thought the problem was with the follower tilting and the rounds getting stuck on the bottom of the mag. I’m thinking of polishing the inside part of one of the mags and hope that fixes it.
Let me and everybody else in the comment thread know if that works for you because I know a lot of people are having the same problem. Mine seems to have improved but others are still having problems 100’s of rounds later. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
@@cherrycitygunsandammo1011just bought one and both of my factory mags have this issue😢
@@mikeleininger2450 Call them and send in your mags. It's free. I was having the same issue. A bullet actually fell out of the casing because the mag puts pressure where they meet.
I had mag issues when i bought it. But after about an hour or so of the mags being loaded i havent had any more issues. I also went with my brother and it had issues not going into battery, i believe its because of the way my brother was holding it. After i told him to slighty change it there were no issues. Maybe thats what was happening.
I haven't had any mag issues with my S&W 5.7x28 pistol. I have put about 500 rounds through it. The only bad thing I'm paying $35.00 for 50 rounds. Not cheap to shoot. I am shooting SS197SR Sporting Cartridges.
I have the ruger 5.7 and the s&w 5.7 it’s really just a break in issue on the mag let it sit for 2 day fully loaded before shooting take one rd out shoot and your good to go and that’s with majority 5.7x28 pistols
Following up on my comments after the first video on the 5.7, after finally getting to put a few hundred rounds through mine. I did not experience any issues while firing full magazines but I suspect this is likely because of the loading/unloading tests that I did when discovering this issue initially.
That said, I have one magazine that can be fully loaded by hand without issue. The other magazine (the one that exhibited the initial problems when loading more than 16 rounds) remained very hard to hand load to full capacity... increase in resistance occurring around 14 rounds and becoming very hard to load by 18 rounds without the loader. That said, if I load that magazine to full capacity, I can fire all 22 rounds without issue.
Thanks for the update
Thinking of picking one of these up from a local gunshop that has one for 649. I gotta ask to see if they can load up the mags no problem before i buy it lol. Maybe newer batches came out better. Also I read somewhere that the gun does not like having a mag inserted while closed, but likes it when open, not sure the logic of that, but since I am going to shoot or carry, I am going to chamber it anyways so not an issue for me personally.
There has been ongoing issues with all platforms cycling the American Eagle ammo and AAC ammo. The FN ammo is in general better when cycling through the pistols. The problem that you could be having is with the gun coming from the manufacturer being pretty dirty. At least mine was when I first got it. The pistols do need frequent cleaning especially with range time.
My FN’s have always cycled American eagle with no problem, however I can tell it is anemic and underpowered because it always shoots slightly lower because of less velocity. I prefer the FNH ammo all day
Was hesitant to get one but thought the tempo barrel was really neat.
Got one for $495 yesterday. Lgs hasn't been able to move them at all.
Would recommend this or the ruger 5.7? I prefer the ergonomics of s&w think it’s prettier and has more features. But if ruger doesn’t have the magazine issues I might go there don’t wanna hiccup when my life’s on the line.
I think once the magazine issue gets worked out, this will be great. It shoots amazingly and I think it has better features than the Ruger. But the Ruger isn’t a bad option.
Great review!!! Love the way you did it.
I’m not ready for many rounds of “break-in” ammo at today’s prices. I’d like to see a comparison between all extant 5.7x28 pistols.
There’s several videos out there showing all three head to head. Unfortunately, I only have the one.
that slightly out of battery has never happened to me either that is extremely foreboding ......
Could be that the S&W tempo system has different lube points than the standard Browning, since you're hanging up just slightly out of battery.
Nice follow up! I had some issues with my mags, called smith & wesson and they told me to send my mags in. When I would chamber a round sometimes the spring wouldn't move. Also, did you fully clean the gun before shooting? You are supposed to remove all of the packing grease and oil it properly. Could be the battery problem?
It was thoroughly cleaned and lubed before first firing. Thanks for the comment.
Any update w/ Smith & Wesson? How long is the turnaround time? did they send you a new Mag?
@@SacrificiaLamb.The.Gixxerator Smith sent me new mags, but still having issues. Turnaround time was about 10 business days. If I load a new mag with 9-12 bullets the spring starts to expand and even makes it hard to release from the gun. The rep is talking to the engineers for me and will hopefully reach out to me in the next few days with a solution.
@@MightyMarceGG Thanks, could you update me on with the solution too. My shop suggested that I try different Ammo before going the warranty route.
That's y I went with the Ruger 57. It's been flawless out of box
shut up the ruger been out for over 3 years this just came out lord farquad
I got a Ruger Lcp max 380..yea I might have to grab that 5.7 to replace my 9mm I’ve stopped carrying because the Ruger max has been too perfect but 380 makes me feel meh 🫤
I have both and so far they’ve both worked great for me
The M&P 5.7 is by far the better pistol
Mine has a ton of issues with FN ammo. American Eagle no issues. There is no reason to pay $50/box for FN when American Eagle functions flawlessly for less than $40/box.
Thanks for your honest review!
Good vid, nice to see the crap is working it’s way out….
You’re absolutely right!! It should function properly with any and all types of ammunition regardless and with a full magazine. Maybe I’m lucky but I’ve not had any of these issues with my S&W 57 past the break in of the first couple of magazines. Make sure it’s lubed well, that seems to help.
The issues have seemed to have worked now.
I just bought mines 2 days ago and I notice the spring would get stuck and all I been doing was unloading it and reloading and I guess you just gotta break it in it’s gotten better just gotta go run it
Thanks for the follow up👍.
My issues seem to be resolved also. Now if I could only get the damn thread protector to stay on(lol)
@@57Sicario Fully loaded yes. New mags were sent to me from S&W. My FFL/gun store handled it. Went through each mag 3x with no issues. American eagle ammo.
Try an o ring maybe?
i have the same problem with my mp 5.7 use the tool to reload it just until it gets really hard. It also happens to me that when the magazine is with the 22 bullets closed, the gun you have to press hard.
Pensaba comprarla, pero me decidí por Fn . Más cara pero mucho más calidad.
Man, I’m struggling to decide. I can’t decide which of the 5.7x28 pistols to purchase.
I’ve been going back and forth between the Ruger and the Smith & Wesson.
Then the PSA sometimes talks to me, but the FN has zero complaints on reviews.
I hate big purchases, especially when I’m trusting my life to the purchase.
If you want a 5.7 get FN they are the best
@@calebbarefoot7913 wish you had replied sooner LOL I ended up getting the S&W and can’t shoot it because the magazines are messed up. Rounds don’t feed out well. If, and that’s a big IF, you can get the first round to chamber the gun doesn’t go fully into battery so it won’t fire.
I have to them remove the magazine and then thump it from behind.
Only to discover rounds don’t rise up from the magazine. They stay in their initial position and unless I bang the side of the magazine they won’t come up. Sometimes they come up so quickly they spill out of the magazine.
Such a disappointing purchase and S&W customer service made me pay to ship them back and haven’t replied since I shipped them back. So now I don’t even have magazines for the gun.
Buyer beware.
I like this gun but can not seat a fully loaded mag of anything with the slide closed, and no amount of breaking in is going to fix that.
Yeah that part is annoying. I can do it, but it takes a hell of a smack to seat.
@@cherrycitygunsandammo1011 Be careful "slamming" a full magazine into the gun with the slide closed you may be damaging some of the internals and causing the slide battery problem. On some guns this procedure can break things such as the ejector. When you have emptied a magazine the slide stays open and you don't have any problems loading the next magazine, why don't you start off the same way - slide open?
@@briangriffin3774 I’m not exactly a noob, thanks.
@@cherrycitygunsandammo1011 Sorry, no offense intended. I too have the M&P 5.7 and had problems loading the magazines, but a quick mag. disassembly and a fine layer of oil smeared on the inside mag. walls solved the loading problems. I have yet to shoot the gun so I can't comment on other issues. The S&W manual of arms page 19 does say this about loading the magazine into the gun though. "Do not use excessive upward force when inserting a loaded magazine into the pistol. Excessive upward force could cause the slide to move forward chambering a round and making the pistol ready to fire". This suggests that the slide should be open when inserting the magazine. Just passing this on in the hope that it will help others who may read my comments. Thanks, and I enjoy your videos.
Nice 👍
Of performance gun class we teach you a solve your problems, But you shouldn't have to do that that's the Smith and western, I'll say it again send it back and let them repair it.
how did you get the threaded barrel protector off mines won’t come off it’s so tight …what should I do ?
I had to put some wd40 on, let it sit, grabbed a paper towel and folded it a bunch, wrapped it around and grabbed the pliers. That worked. Luckily the can went on just fine, just the thread protector is tight.
Ive got one, and i use federal and fiochi ammo with no problems. The ss197 has also run smooth. However of the 500+ rounds shot out of it the only ammo that hasnt worked for me is the AAC Vmax. Almost every other shot is an out of battery.
How has it been shooting lately? Any issue to speak of? I just picked one up and had to hit the mags really hard to get them to seat which would cause the slide to release and load a round
I'd be on the phone with smith and Wesson.
That one and the 10mm seem to have problems don't they what a shame
Yeah, but seem to work themselves out with some shooting.
Does cyelee mount directly to the slide or is an optic plate required? Asking because i havea swampfox justice & a cyelee & cannot decide which to use yet.
I’m have the Same problem.
What cyelee sight is that? Does it mount directly to the slide?
It’s a cheap Cyelee. Yes, direct to the slide.
The M&P will never be reliable with 22 rounds in the mag. The M&P 57 magazine is .25" shorter than the Ruger 57 20 round mag and .24" shorter than the FN57 20 round mag but the S&W holds TWO MORE ROUNDS! S&W achieves this by a much shorter follower and much weaker mag spring
The difference in loading into the magazine between the FN ammo and American Eagle may be due to a different type of lacquer coating on the case.
Could be.
Love cylie why pay holasom price ❤
Because holosun is better in every way. Cylie is good for the price.
@@cherrycitygunsandammo1011 I know just don't want to pay so much for a fun gun what makes holsom so much better for every day per price
@@christhompson1811 if you handle them both there is an obvious build quality difference. The dot is more precise and less blurry on the holosun. The holosun has a sealed battery compartment. Plus the holosun has solar panels which makes for better battery life.
I'm happy with mine on my shield plus just can't see why to pay more I'm a average shooter it's cool
ill stick with the psa
the s and w mags are faulty especially on those first few shots. Its just fact. doesnt matter bullets or ammo or coatings or none of that bullshit
The problem with every single 57 pistol oh, and I don't mean non-host Rubble pistols I mean like a pistol that looks like a pistol you put in a holster not like a banshee or a diamondback or one of those technical pistols but looks more like a PDW. But as far as pistols go they all have a problem with using too heavy or Red Dot. Even Ruger flat-out says do not use a red. That weighs over one oz or you'll have cycling problems due to the weight of the slide and the spring strength. You have a big red dot on that gun. I guarantee if you switched over to a lighter red. Like a hollison 507k X to Green Dot or red, you will have a lot less of those slightly out of battery issues you're having. I own the p50 by Celtic I own a Ruger 57 and I just picked up my Smith & Wesson 57 and I tried the f n before the newest one came out and honestly it was not reliable at all compared to the Ruger. The Ruger has a magazine problem it's worse than any of them except for maybe the Palmetto State Armory 57 but I won't swear to that. But the problem with the Ruger magazines is when they're made they're not quite the right profile and what I mean by that is if you put it on a machinist level, you would notice that from side-to-side it actually bulges a tiny bit when it needs to be put in a vise and cranked where there is no play for the bullets when they're being stacked to move any left or right because if they do it causes the stacking to get loose when you put in the last two or three rounds. But I've taken my Ruger 57 mags in a machinist Vise with a special job that I machine so that you can in a very controlled way, you can actually change the shape slightly by putting the mag in the vice and just putting some pressure to kind of squeeze the bags flatter than they are but you want it to be super subtle you don't want to crank the crap out of it and really destroyed the shape you just need a little bit more of a squeeze to get it to retain the right shape. I know this seems silly but if you try it you'll be amazed how much better it works. I don't know if you've noticed that problem with the 57 but that may be what's going on with your Smith & Wesson although I'm guessing with your Smith & Wesson it's the weight of your red.and not the magazines. In fact the magazines in the Smith & Wesson seem to be made really well. Now I'm not the master of all things guns but I have lots of experience being the I've been a machinist for 32 years. Give me a good background to comment on mechanical issues with guns. When I work with kennametal we work with things a lot higher tolerance than what's found inside of a handgun I promise. So I'm just sharing my experience I'm not saying it's 100% applicable to your situation or anyone reading this. But I've seen no videos except yours about the feeding issues with the Smith & Wesson but there are several videos of the Ruger magazines giving people problems
Well you should watch my first video when there was no red dot and it was having even more issues.
@@cherrycitygunsandammo1011 oh... ok.. im humble.. let me chk that out.. I can admit when I'm wrong. I wasnt "challenge ING you" but rather sharing issues I had & thought that shared info might be useful...
Did you make sure it was cleaned b4 you did your 1st box or 2 of ammo through it? Again.. just an observation. As to the Ruger 57, the slight mis-shapen magazine was a real thing. I've stopped the issues in my Ruger by tweaking the shape of the magazines.
I'll definitely go see your 1st video on that topic. I'm always glad to know of others experiences. It might help me trouble shooting down the road.
I'm having good luck with my m&p 57 and I feel your frustration with a basically great gun but having 1 annoying issue that can be a deal breaker if you can't sort it out.
If I have any issues down the road with my m&p 57, I'll share that with you.
Good luck, look into the magazine itself as a point of the issues. Some don't realize how hard it is to make/design a reliable magazine.
Take it easy
I’m having the same issue with the magazines it’s very disappointing from a company like smith and Wesson
It called lubrication for a reason >>>>> DURRRRR Give it a cleaning also... Its not an AK .
Wow, that’s bold to throw out a bunch of durrrrrs when you have no idea whether or not I cleaned or lubed, which I did. Read some of the comments and see that there are a lot of people having the same problem as me because S&W are sending out junk mags. DURRRRR!
Shannon puts lube on everything
These mags just need to break in
I agree, but they shouldn’t. They should work right out of the box.
@@cherrycitygunsandammo1011 I agree
Gracias por el video, ya no la compraría.
Cyalee .. lol
This gun is junk. Horrible magazine issues. Already sold mine.
Mine is fine, no problems with anything.
Congrats
@@cherrycitygunsandammo1011 Look it up. Not just me having the problem.
None whatsoever great shooter.
You complain too much. In general you talk too much. All your talking should be in summation at the end. Still giving you a like.
Can you post a link to one of your videos so I have something to model myself after?
Don't change a thing buddy! Your reviews are great and they are always right on point!
Too many bugs on this S&W 5.7 pistol for me to buy!👎😧 The grip is total garbage😣👎feels like holding a 2×4 block of wood!!! I can't believe you accept this garbage grip!! Unbelievably trash grip!!! 😬👎😠
I personally don’t have a problem with the grip. It is long, but there is no getting around it because of the length of the cartridge. They at least made it quite narrow to help offset the overall size.
Nothing wrong with the grip; it's why I bought two?
You must have baby hands because us guys with big hands. Love that grip!
Excellent grip.
I bought one and the magazine not inserting right is super f*cking annoying. I am about ready to send it to Smith and have them fix it.
Let me know how it goes and if they fix it and how well it works after the fix.