All Gold Sources Compared
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Comparison of all gold sources, including trade at different distances.
Big thanks to JaHeit for a ton of the spreadsheet work, as well as the mysterious stranger who posted the market distance formula on the AoE2 Wiki.
0:42 Gold mining with villagers
1:20 Relics
1:47 Feitoria
2:20 Trade carts
4:40 Congestion/obstacles
5:20 Trade cogs
7:20 Selling wood and food for gold long-term
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Full intro song: • Spirit of the Law Chan...
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Game: Age of Empires 2 HD with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, and Rise the Rajas expansions - Ігри
1:30 Now we know the truth. The relic is a coffin that puts an immortal villager who uses a trans-dimensional pickaxe to mine gold out of thin air in stasis which can only be opened inside the safe environment of a monastery.
:p
Oh my God.
So monasteries are like a gate to a dimension of unlimited golden power?
so monasteries are basically slavery camps? yikes
Relics are like statues in churchs where people leave coins
Actually they look more like those gold things that they swing around in church that has the incense burning in it.
Loved the "1 relic = 1 fully upgraded villager in gold forever" comparison.
Medina: "Help! Help! Crusaders are attacking our trade routes!"
Everytime someone donate to SPOTL patreon should send this message: For the war effort!
Broken patrons: This is all we can spare...
rip lil trade carts
"REYNALD IS ATTACKING OUR CARAVAN!"
I heard that in my head in the exact ingame voice
What i've learned from this video: have a spanish ally.
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION
@@bertuslombardvisser4773 expects* :D
@@jeanmarteau7729 he neither expected that
@@vicio19995 fun fact, I'm Spaniard, so I guess he didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition of orthography hahaha
@@jeanmarteau7729 yo tambien lo soy, por eso digo
You make me want to play AoE2 again. 😃
You mean you are not playing it right now??!!
on the 14th on this month aoe 2 DE is coming live with 4k graphgigs!
Well i actually started playing against thanks to sotl... Though i am getting my ass handed to me on voobly 15l and 2w
he got me back into the game a few years ago, too
Why'd you ever stop playing?
"We found a cart, maybe we take her (the gold)?"
"No"
*_Trade cart in AoE2 in nutshell_*
At least take the gold you silly units
They do take the gold. For themselves. You get nothing.
That would actually be a cool mechanic and incentive to raid trade routes even more. But on the other hand it makes a trade raid hurt even more and might tip balancing.
I love AoE, but Rise of Nations handles that stuff so much better. You get plunder from attacking caravans, you can trade with other cities you've built on the map, taxation means you have a steady supply of wealth, etc
@@BaronPraxis8492 I never got the hang of RON it seems like you spam units near the end game
@@GentleMannOfHats Kinda, yeah.
Apparently, for AoE2:DE the devs have fixed some of the bumping issues making trade routes more efficient. They said they had 200 trade trades running and they only had minor issues. I guess we shall soon see.
4:47
Villager farming: Do You MIND!
"1v1s where trading isn't an option."
*CHALLENGE ACCEPTED*
T90official traded with the enemy in 1v1 yesterday. Proving it's easy and healthy.
@@DarthTellor Oo
Always watch out for harbors left behind.
harbours and markets of dead players are great for trade in death matches or especially regicide matches
@@DarthTellor Like US and China.
You forgot an important gold source: Being Saracens, getting Madrasah and Atonement, converting a bunch of enemy Monks and then deleting them for 33 gold each!
How have I never thought of this. Rofl.
Brilliant
Allahu ackh .. boom ..
I now imagine this with Bohemian trash monks, and getting an infinite gold supply
I eagerly await the day when he flubs the intro and says "hey laws, spirit of the guy here".
0:38 are my eyes deceiving me or is that elephant doing a moonwalk?
Yes
You are obviously new here :)
So great
One thing I would like to add for the cart vs cog debate is that it is usually a lot easier to defend a land route as you can build towers/castles along the route and at checkpoints to force raiders off them while with cogs it can be hard to cover enough area with towers/castles to properly defend them from attacking ships
I think they changed the trade cogs since you did this--the cogs now automatically trade at the FARTHEST docks, rather than the nearest. A discovery I made at the cost of losing my entire trading fleet due to the enemy tower I hadn't noticed when I invested all my gold into trade cogs . . . But, it is a useful fix.
So glad to hear the old intro music.
Hi Spirit, thanks a lot for your inspiring and enlightening uploads :)! Kinda off topic now, but
the day before yesterday, I finished my study of medicine after many many years and the only way of not losing it while hitting the books on the final sprint was watching one of your videos after every chapter...it helped a lot with relaxing and clearing my mind now and then. Keep up the good work and stay the cool guy you are! :)
I love the "up to the Rise of the Rajas expansions at 8:10"
2:53 I got cancer by that farm placement.
Yep cancer is funny hahah
This video really puts into perspective just how important getting some relics are in maps. Don't get me wrong, they're always important seeing as how they're passive, free resource generation, and you want to deny that benefit to your enemies as much as possible. But learning that a single relic is about as efficient as a fully upgraded villager on a gold mine in post-Imperial really helps put that in perspective. That can be a pretty fair amount of money over the long term, especially if a game drags into a prolonged trash fight.
Man, your channel is the best. The time you put into reaching these conclusions is impressive. Truly a wise AOE player, who improved my AOE game by leaps and bounds. Thanks SotL
I've heard that definitive edition improves the pathing, so you'll have to rerun the congestion measurements again soon.
Really appreciate your videos man. They’re so insightful and well researched
Never clicked on an Age of Empires 2 Gold Source Comparison video so fast!
Loved your appearance on the T90 stream
Thanks for all your AOE2 videos. Can't wait to see you start making AOE4 stuff ;-)
hmm that is gonna be interesting if they improved the pathing, in DE, that could be a significant improvement to the trade cogs then
I like to imagine that every couple videos SOTL adds another scene to his intro, and by 2021 we will be hearing almost the entire song in his intro
I just Love every video from you no matter how boring the title might seem 😍😍😍
Always good to hear the intro song!
This video is awesome, I always watch your content while I'm having dinner. Not sure why
Nice video as always. Keep in mind that with the improved pathfinding of Age2:DE, trade routes might become even more efficient, especially in 4v4 with many tradecarts running the same path.
Loving your content, great video, keep up the good work! Have a nice day😊
Please make a top 5 defensive civs list.
And one for trash.
Goths would definitely be in the top 10 for best trash because of their extremely cheap and quick to make halberdiers, and FU elite skirmishers.
Malay after forced levy too
wtf is a defensive civ? u cant turtle in 1v1s
1. Turks 2. Korea 3. Japanese 4. Byzantines 5. Portuguese imo
Awesome video! I'm so hype for AoE2 Definitive!!!!
Meantime in UA-cam.
Viper: Cumans overview.
T90Official: Bulgarian overview.
SpiritoftheLaw: Gold Rates in age of empires 2
Moral of the story: Go HEEEYEEYEE or go home.
*guitar chord*
Nearing 200k subs! You go, SotL!
Love your recent videos! It's me Don.
the intro is back
I am a returning player after 20 years, been watching all your videos and I am very grateful to you, Thank you!
Omg I love your videos. Pls do one about counters!
Wow, ignored the great Saracens trade bonus. :(
Spanish is better anyway.
Fromt he time I start trade, how long does it take until I end up with more resources than before assuming constant trade cart production? depending on the number of markets I do.
Great video! I swear millions of players were hoping for an answer to this
And kudos to taking the contingency into account
"a villager mining away inside the monastery forever" isn't that just how religion works
m'atheism *tips fedora*
@Hoàng Nguyên Or else it's tax revenue from the increased income local businesses receive by housing and feeding said pilgrims.
No stfu weeb
No stfu
Any 14 years old post it to r/im14andthatdeep
Hey dude, I imagine that you are gonna do the new civs overview a little after the AoE2DE release, but will you redo the previews ones?
It will take five yearsto do all of that.
The oldest civs vids maybe or the ones which changed the most
In a nutshell it will be easiest since he only need to edit the script for the differences.
*not saying that's going to be n easy task, just easier now he have done it.
Excellent Choice!
The tricky thing about trade is that the carts themselves cost gold, and they create very slowly. It takes a while before you even break even on the cost of creating the trade carts.
My top2 favourite gold sources:
- selling stone
- paper money
:)
No
NO.
Both letters capital.
Go through 4th grade mathematics again.
@@alhassani626 Haha no
Argh my heart, this was so painful to read
No u
Great work as always!
Does the Berber ship speed bonus improve Trade Cogs?
So in short: Get all gold on the map, then do tradecarts shortly before running out and supplement with relics. Only use market if you can ensure dealing a blow to the enemy.
SOTL: teaches how to perfectly fit farms around your mill
Also SOTL: 7:21
@Hoàng Nguyên probably to keep 5 on wood and 5 on food
Hoping that the next video would be on Definitive Edition already! Can't wait for next week's launch
Hey guys, Spirit of the La Hire!
I can't unhear it since that video..
I like how rise of nations expanded on the trade route mechanics. While you were limited to one caravan per route and one market per city, your caravans could trade between any two allied or neutral markets on the map. In solo games this beggan with your second city, bu increased geometricaly as you added more cities and markets. In team games it expanded even sooner and faster as allies built markets themselves.
Nice video, man! Since you always do the math behind AoE2, do you know what the ideal number of Trade Carts is on a route without obstacles, based on each map size? The larger the map size, the more Trade Carts you can have on that route without them bumping into each other.
Also, this video proves that trade routes where both Markets are in the corner of the map are actually quite inefficient.
I haven't played AOE2 for years now but I still find myself watching SOTL videos on weekly basis :D
I dont like guitars, and I am not really into AoE 2 - but for some reason I keep watching your videos, and for some other eason I really love the intro, makes me feel good instantly...
The Dry Dock speed boost being cancelled out by a penalty on Trade Cogs also applies to the Berber faster moving ships bonus
Doesnt one Civ get gold from farms? It might have been added after this or I might be misunderstanding it as Ive never played them but I thought I read somewhere that after a while some Civ has its farm produce gold
Thank you, this is helpful!
very nice video!
Spanish player: "I make more gold than any of you, peasants!"
Indian player: "May I be your ally?".
Spanish player: "Yeppes".
*Spanish player becomes Indian player's ally*
*Indian player makes more gold than spanish player".
Spanish player: "Wait...".
Kids.... that how i met your conquistador
@@michealcroes3377 India is apple
True
Agreed
Man the footage makes me miss those old noob black forest games I used to play
"Which makes 4.21..."
Me:We were on the verge of greatness
Hey Spirit, wanted to ask, since I can't find anything concrete about this; I know the Saracens 5% trade fee is useful in the early game for selling resources, but how much does it affect the bottom end, and does that change their late-game numbers significantly? I can't imagine it does, given how far down the bar was for g/min comparatively, but figured I would ask! Thanks for the awesome videos!!
I've been waiting for this math.
Finally as promised, 14 Nov. It's time to be released, stand by!
cannot wait to install it
@@davidsnoek8686
I couldn't wait either until it listed Win10 as its minimum OS requirement......
@@artham94 thats already the case, you can look it up on Steam
@@davidsnoek8686
Yeah that's what I was saying.
@@artham94 I think that game only can works on win 10 64-bit
Aztec relic is so powerful. I would definitely consider collecting them in the future when I'm AZ.
Or have azt ally
0:13 *_"Why not selling stone? You can also get gold that way!"_*
Although not relevant for the calculations, I feel it is worth mentioning that the trade cog is built much faster than the cart. Brilliant video otherwise, and I love the intro. :)
I just watch these for fun, I'm terrible at the game, and even if I was good, nobody needs to min max to this extent. Optimal berry foraging, wall placement, farms, everything is examined in these videos. I'm surprised gold wasnt already covered.
This Video is pure gold!
In the intro, where does the clip with the villagers attaced by scouts and disappearing comes from ?
So does the trade cog inefficiency apply to the upcoming II DE, with its supposedly improved pathfinding?
I wish we had a similar channel for AoE3.
Really good video!
Just a small nitpick I had was that the pronunciation of Sultan is wrong
there really should be an option to have a trade cog set a specific dock as its "home," prioritizing that dock for the return trip, or maybe just prioritize a certain dock as a trade hub period
Hello Spirit Of The Law and everyone ! I am asking myself a question : what is the best way to improve my skill ? Should I focus on some build, better play aggressively or defensively ? And is there a best strategy in FFA ? :) Sorry for the questions a bit unrelated to the videos ! I really liked it as all your others ones ! Can't wait to see your content with the defenitive edition ( I hope everything you taught us since now won't change too much )
Do you have any plans to remake an overview the all civilizations including the new ones in AOE2DE?
Im excited for the new AoE 2 gonna get new spirit videos!
Don't forget the new gold source (tatars only): its unique unit can generate gold when fighting the units
Hey Spirit, any chance of you making a Tier List for Civs?
I like to build a market basically 5 seconds away from an ally's and have a bunch of trade carts going back and forth. That way you just have a constant stream of gold and dont have to wait for carts to make a journey.
It’s probably not even worth the cost of buying the trade carts
Actually, you'd be surprised. The return on investment is 100% in a short period of time; after that, it's all profit.
I did this in vinlandsaga. When you destroy only 1 british market and left the other intact
You do have to invest into trade route defenses which can be quite hefty, especially when the people you don't trade with get jealous. Relics on the other hand are fairly straight forward to maintain. Just a bit of polish every month, dust off its pedestal in the crypt and give the guarding monk a keg of ale.
What about dropping a market/dock near your ally? Does the reduction in distance and potential traffic counterbalance the reduced gold rate?
That trade route formula is actually really interesting.
Can you start with a serie about the definitive edition? If it comes out at novembre 14th
I know this Video is pretty old but i wanted to say that I would've really appreciated a quick result-overview in estimated gold per minute for every way to obtain gold on one screen at the end.
In my opinion that wouldve put a nice finish to the video.
Nevertheless the Video explained everything very well, thank you
Any chance we'll see any more videos of you playing matches??
You ever open a video 40 seconds after it's posted an see it already has 3 comments?
When do you should start trading with your allies? I have see many players that start on imperial age when they ran out of mining places, guess they spend the resources of trade carts on army at the early and mid game, other players start trading as soon as they can. Which option is better?
I love ur vids
you know what would be cool? being able to choose which resources your feitoria produces, like all gold, stone, or 1/2 of two different resources, etc.
So is the map distance measured by time spent travelling or the distance between marketplaces? as in: could you build a maze to make carts travel a huge map percentage while staying relativly safe?
Hey SoTL, i have a video idea for you. You know how whenever you are calculating cost-effectiveness you either say gold has the same value as gold or 1.5x the value of food/wood. How about making an entire video on that, on how the value of resourcesfluctuates over time. For example, food is the most valuable resources at the start of the game and holds a lot of that value over on Feudal and castle age, but on imperial it losses that value. Maybe is a little to complicated to analysis, but who knows.
How does the start up cost of gold to make the trade carts/cogs effect their overall efficiency? At the start it would be a negative gold effect
Dry dock, despite its apparent no change in the gold rate, changes the gold drop time. That can be meaningful on tight timing.
What about generating gold from a Saracen market? Does that bottom out at a higher price than normal?
Is it possible to approximate a curve for the trade gold reduction taking into account volume of trade carts?
Take gold per minute of a generic game and then count the number of carts on that route, would be really tedious to get a reliable result though.