Here's another way to think about it: Trying to go from the low 50s to the low 60s is trying to gain ~30 percentile ranks. That requires going from a below-median reader to an above-median reader, and it's a big change.
Hello Nathan and Ben, I was also stuck at 150 but a few years ago my niece started on her journey to law school and obviously began preparing for her LSAT and out of curiosity I began to research exactly what is the LSAT and needless to say your channel and videos came up. I have been hooked ever since but for different and yet the same reasons. I wanted to pass the LSAT and study law at the ripe young age of 62 but my journey started several years back. I had spent 23 years in an evangelical "Bible Believing" church and was stuck at 150. I was at a point where I was being called upon to teach classes and that's where my struggle began. How could I teach when I myself was struggling with a full understanding of what I was reading although I could have spoken as though I did and grabbed a verse totally out of context to strengthen what I had just said and made it sound authoritative by saying "the Bible says". Similar to "I have a source in the White House". As I went into research and discovery mode I determined to step back from Reformed Theology and take a deeper dive into church history. I was baptized into the Catholic Church as an infant but in my late twenties drifted from the teachings. In my research I began to discover how the early church guarded the interpretation of scripture, the method, rule, or principles of interpretation, and how not many were encouraged to become teachers. The very first video I saw was a video on Destroying Arguments where Ben opened up by saying: here's the deal with logical reasoning, it comes down to three core skills....your ability to read, make solid inferences, and destroy arguments. The Catholic Church through my research uses typology, prefiguration, and a theory of the old is revealed in the new and the new is concealed in the old (testaments). So in a sense reading comprehension, logical reasoning, the ability to make solid inferences are major for Biblical interpretation. That takes me to St. Paul and if I may a quick summary for perhaps those unfamiliar with his story. Paul is arguing in the Book of Acts for the law against Jesus. He is then knocked off his horse, onto his ass, has his bell rung, goes away for three years (how long is law school?), and returns to now start arguing from the law for Jesus. Same set of text but now he has a completly different understanding and interpretation of those same text. Why? Because he was stuck. When we started attending the Mass again it blew my mind but at the same time we were still attending services at several Protestant churches and I will leave you with my take aways: First, St. Paul is arguing not only Canon Law he is also arguing Civil Law and he is well aware of both and seemingly comfortable in both jurisdictions. Second, In the Gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke, John) The same would apply for Jesus as there seems to be two legal systems He is addressing and many legal concerns and the issue of authority will always be at the forefront of the argument. Thirdly, If you notice the legal terminology being used in the New Testament all of Pauls writings have a type of legal in nature framework. Fourth, one of my most eye-opening and on a personal level most heart-breaking is that in a courtroom when arguing a case in a court of law if your student B and here something said that is off you can "Objection you Honor" but if your at a service and the pastor makes a comment or takes a verse totally out context you just listen. I guess that's why Jesus kept talking about our eyes, ears, and guides. And finally, If anyone has a chance to look at St. Francis de Sales, Catholic Controversy (free online), he countered the reformers with his work and was most compelling to say the least. If only the chapter on The Misson. Thank you both very much and your work has been my prize resource.
Daily practice for 30 mins - 2 hours rather than just cram studying inconsistently will definitely make the difference. These guys say all the time that quality work that is for a shorter time every day is the way to go.
To clarify, Nathan explained that if you attempt only 10 questions and then guess on the remaining 15 (averaging 1 correct for every 5 guesses), your score would likely fall into the 150s.
I wish you guys would stop “YIKES!”-ing those of us who are not going to earn a 179! If he is going to score in the 150s on his own, then that’s his score. Tell him to take the Demon course, if that’s going to help. Otherwise, accept his score and apply to schools that he’ll succeed in, then MAYBE transfer. Your bedside manner sucks!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We understand that discussions about LSAT scores can be tough, but our goal is to set high expectations and help students reach their full potential. Scoring in the 150s significantly limits your options for good law schools and scholarships, often leading to long-term challenges associated with lower-ranked schools. While transferring is possible, it’s extremely rare and not a reliable strategy. Instead, we encourage students to focus on maximizing their LSAT score before applying. Of the 180 ABA-accredited law schools, only four would offer an applicant with a 3.99 GPA and a 150 LSAT a full-tuition scholarship-just 2.2%. These schools also tend to have poor bar passage rates and weak employment outcomes. Applying with a score in the 150s benefits law schools that charge full price far more than it benefits applicants. With the right preparation and mindset, nearly anyone can improve and achieve a score that opens doors to better schools and scholarships.
Hello, I hope your journey has been going well and that these videos have been a great help to you. I left a comment for Nathan and Ben above but wanted to respond to your remarks on their bedside manner. The Apostle Paul was a practicing attorney when he had his encounter with the Jesus (Luke gives us an account of those events in the Book of Acts). In that account of events Luke records for us that Paul was knocked off his horse and on his ass by none other than Jesus who James (The Epistle of James) describes as the Lawgiver, Judge, and when questioned by others as to His authority He lets them know that He has all authority both in Civil Law and Canon Law. When Paul is knocked on his ass he then is taken away for three years. Paul was about to be enrolled into a very good Law School, tutored by the Greatest Law Professor ever, and free of charge. When he returned and began to practice law once again he went from a prosecutor to a defender. Instead of arguing for the law against Jesus he began to argue from the law for Jesus. I am confident Paul probably was thinking maybe a dream, an angel, a vision would have been a better bedside manner approach but he received the greatest bedside visit one could ask for and if not for that day on the road to Damascus Paul could have remained stuck. Good luck to you Fearless!!!🏇
Brutal honesty is needed. I appreciate your videos.
We appreciate you listening!
Here's another way to think about it: Trying to go from the low 50s to the low 60s is trying to gain ~30 percentile ranks. That requires going from a below-median reader to an above-median reader, and it's a big change.
Y’all should change the name of the podcast to the “Stop Trying to Finish the Section” podcast.
If this podcast was a TV show and I was interrogated by Ben and Nathan, the roles are clear. Ben plays the good cop and Nathan plays the bad cop.
Hello Nathan and Ben, I was also stuck at 150 but a few years ago my niece started on her journey to law school and obviously began preparing for her LSAT and out of curiosity I began to research exactly what is the LSAT and needless to say your channel and videos came up. I have been hooked ever since but for different and yet the same reasons. I wanted to pass the LSAT and study law at the ripe young age of 62 but my journey started several years back. I had spent 23 years in an evangelical "Bible Believing" church and was stuck at 150. I was at a point where I was being called upon to teach classes and that's where my struggle began. How could I teach when I myself was struggling with a full understanding of what I was reading although I could have spoken as though I did and grabbed a verse totally out of context to strengthen what I had just said and made it sound authoritative by saying "the Bible says". Similar to "I have a source in the White House". As I went into research and discovery mode I determined to step back from Reformed Theology and take a deeper dive into church history. I was baptized into the Catholic Church as an infant but in my late twenties drifted from the teachings. In my research I began to discover how the early church guarded the interpretation of scripture, the method, rule, or principles of interpretation, and how not many were encouraged to become teachers. The very first video I saw was a video on Destroying Arguments where Ben opened up by saying: here's the deal with logical reasoning, it comes down to three core skills....your ability to read, make solid inferences, and destroy arguments. The Catholic Church through my research uses typology, prefiguration, and a theory of the old is revealed in the new and the new is concealed in the old (testaments). So in a sense reading comprehension, logical reasoning, the ability to make solid inferences are major for Biblical interpretation. That takes me to St. Paul and if I may a quick summary for perhaps those unfamiliar with his story. Paul is arguing in the Book of Acts for the law against Jesus. He is then knocked off his horse, onto his ass, has his bell rung, goes away for three years (how long is law school?), and returns to now start arguing from the law for Jesus. Same set of text but now he has a completly different understanding and interpretation of those same text. Why? Because he was stuck. When we started attending the Mass again it blew my mind but at the same time we were still attending services at several Protestant churches and I will leave you with my take aways: First, St. Paul is arguing not only Canon Law he is also arguing Civil Law and he is well aware of both and seemingly comfortable in both jurisdictions. Second, In the Gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke, John) The same would apply for Jesus as there seems to be two legal systems He is addressing and many legal concerns and the issue of authority will always be at the forefront of the argument. Thirdly, If you notice the legal terminology being used in the New Testament all of Pauls writings have a type of legal in nature framework. Fourth, one of my most eye-opening and on a personal level most heart-breaking is that in a courtroom when arguing a case in a court of law if your student B and here something said that is off you can "Objection you Honor" but if your at a service and the pastor makes a comment or takes a verse totally out context you just listen. I guess that's why Jesus kept talking about our eyes, ears, and guides. And finally, If anyone has a chance to look at St. Francis de Sales, Catholic Controversy (free online), he countered the reformers with his work and was most compelling to say the least. If only the chapter on The Misson.
Thank you both very much and your work has been my prize resource.
👿❤
Pls put me in a reality check . I need to study daily to take the June LSAT :(
Daily practice for 30 mins - 2 hours rather than just cram studying inconsistently will definitely make the difference. These guys say all the time that quality work that is for a shorter time every day is the way to go.
i feel attacked 😭
The guys have your best interest at heart! Take their advice and embrace the journey!
Agree w you guys but 10q right per sec would leave you around 140s per ure website 😂
@@antonelladigeronimo644 I think they engaged in hyperbole in to make a point.
To clarify, Nathan explained that if you attempt only 10 questions and then guess on the remaining 15 (averaging 1 correct for every 5 guesses), your score would likely fall into the 150s.
@@LSATDemon I thought you needed 14 on each section to get a 150. Is this wrong'?
@@haileycobb7476 It varies a bit depending on the test. To get a general idea, use our score converter: lsatdemon.com/converter
I wish you guys would stop “YIKES!”-ing those of us who are not going to earn a 179! If he is going to score in the 150s on his own, then that’s his score. Tell him to take the Demon course, if that’s going to help. Otherwise, accept his score and apply to schools that he’ll succeed in, then MAYBE transfer. Your bedside manner sucks!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. We understand that discussions about LSAT scores can be tough, but our goal is to set high expectations and help students reach their full potential. Scoring in the 150s significantly limits your options for good law schools and scholarships, often leading to long-term challenges associated with lower-ranked schools.
While transferring is possible, it’s extremely rare and not a reliable strategy. Instead, we encourage students to focus on maximizing their LSAT score before applying. Of the 180 ABA-accredited law schools, only four would offer an applicant with a 3.99 GPA and a 150 LSAT a full-tuition scholarship-just 2.2%. These schools also tend to have poor bar passage rates and weak employment outcomes. Applying with a score in the 150s benefits law schools that charge full price far more than it benefits applicants.
With the right preparation and mindset, nearly anyone can improve and achieve a score that opens doors to better schools and scholarships.
Hello, I hope your journey has been going well and that these videos have been a great help to you. I left a comment for Nathan and Ben above but wanted to respond to your remarks on their bedside manner. The Apostle Paul was a practicing attorney when he had his encounter with the Jesus (Luke gives us an account of those events in the Book of Acts). In that account of events Luke records for us that Paul was knocked off his horse and on his ass by none other than Jesus who James (The Epistle of James) describes as the Lawgiver, Judge, and when questioned by others as to His authority He lets them know that He has all authority both in Civil Law and Canon Law. When Paul is knocked on his ass he then is taken away for three years. Paul was about to be enrolled into a very good Law School, tutored by the Greatest Law Professor ever, and free of charge. When he returned and began to practice law once again he went from a prosecutor to a defender. Instead of arguing for the law against Jesus he began to argue from the law for Jesus. I am confident Paul probably was thinking maybe a dream, an angel, a vision would have been a better bedside manner approach but he received the greatest bedside visit one could ask for and if not for that day on the road to Damascus Paul could have remained stuck. Good luck to you Fearless!!!🏇