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Great interview! I’d love to see ya’ll do more deep dives into niche areas of law practice like this

I did full-time studying for two months and didn't even try that hard tbh, and went from a 160 to 175 in Nov. I find that studying part-time can easily burn you out too if you are in a demanding job such as consulting or finance. You will burn out like I did during the summer when I try studying part-time bs. Do it full-time, treat it as a job.

by far my favorite video you guys have. wish Robert the best in Law School -- he's going to be an amazing litigator.

Gotta sit with my mistake

I’m 49 about to graduate with a BA in Business and wondering if I’m too old for law school.

These guys don't know what they're talking about. Prep courses for grad school, especially competitive grad school, are extremely common. How would it feel to be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt only to be unlicensed because you failed C&F for something as trivial as speeding tickets? How would it feel to get a high GPA but not get into a top school because you didn't understand all the requirements, and now your hopes of biglaw are over?

as a master’s grad in astronomy considering law school, i cannot imagine completing a phd, being a scientist, and then go back to school to start all over lol

Heavily related finally taking my first LSAT and gonna apply for 2026 fall

Love your podcasts

You need a car where Pepperdine is and isn't walkable. Honestly, it could feel kind of prison like because you are isolated from the rest of Los Angeles.

Man, Nate yer so picky...jeepers! :p

Reverse-splitter T14 unicorn here: Took the LSAT after 1 practice test, 150, as a formality. Prior to, worked at the largest investment bank in the world while pursuing bachelor's, double majored in economics (to satisfy bank's sponsorship) and public affairs (to pursue pre-law curriculum). 3.98 ugpa. Met some high-powdered mediators in the process, who were litigators 40+ years, that pivoted me to pursue a master's in meditation. ggpa 3.57 (w an F; missed non-academic withdrawal deadline during business travel). Jump ahead couple years, became COO, managing mediator, and (eventually) non-attorney partner at a boutique DC law firm that does financial services regulatory compliance. Ended up in Paris, France, establishing new offices, while concurrently finishing my 2nd master's in international law, THEN went on to pursue JD. This is all to say there was no way in hell I was going to spend any additional time on an arbitrary exam as it simply wasn't worth the time of anyone in a comparable position. My case is extreme, granted, but the ABA, in their wisdom, sees the critical flaw and systemic racism inherent with the system as it is, prompting the push that law schools go test optional. That doesn't mean it becomes a free-for-all, it means that opens up admissibility for unicorns that, otherwise, would simply be unavailable. The reality is the LSAT (an academic placement exam based on percentile) is MORE important than the Bar Exam (a professional exam based on pass/fail), which is absurd. 1. If you have time AND money, the LSAT is moot; there are high-performing people that are working because they want to, not because they have to, and are already plugged in for life at major firms that the LSAT cannot measure. What about those with limited means? 2. There are ZERO independent studies that correlate high LSAT performance with success as a JD candidate. It is a way to keep POC out. 3. LSAC is a BUSINESS with a conflict of interest to maintain a status quo over their MONOPOLY as an intermediary. It's a cartel. 4. If reading the law was nationally implemented, I would have satisfied its condition as an undergrad, training under top lawyers in their respective fields, to then sit for the bar exam, bypassing master's and JD entirely. It threatens the cartel. Reading the law remains in effect in the few jurisdictions it remains in existence from a bygone colonial era, intended for such unicorns. The ABA promoting test optional admissions is a practical shift instead of pursuing lobbying efforts to implement reading the law nationally, for such unicorns. LSAC’s days are numbered. It's a sham. It's about time. The reality of law in the States, sadly, is merit is secondary to funding. A well-funded party is more likely to win over a poorly-funded case that, based on its merits, ought to win. Everyone knows this. The inequity of justice is real. The system is broken, plain and simple.

LAX isn't close to being the busiest airport in the world

Yeah I’ve got 35 on my list. Non-traditional, army veteran, and URM. Casting a huge net across the states

Thank you

Great tips. I just watch this podcast for entertainment value, bit also be mindful of other things and these things helped me: 1. Giving up caffeine while prepping for the LSAT and until you achieve a score that you are happy with. 2. Get 8 hours of straight sleep. I would put this at one, but caffeine could interfere with sleep 3. Exercise daily for 30 mins. I'd row on a Concept2 for 30 mins. Burns a lot of calories and creates new brain cells. 4. Eat a balanced diet while avoiding processed foods like cookies, chips, and crackers.

Appreciate this episode! I currently live in Washington State. UW is interesting because I think they have a lot of prestige for their STEM programs, at least in WA, so I think that is where the law school tries to leverage that for the amount they charge. I am from a small WA town and when I first decided I would go to law school I thought that would be the place to be. In WA you really looked upon highly for going there. Then I discovered they are rank 48, and looking at all the other schools especially top 14, and the COA is virtually equal. Then I found you guys and learned about not paying for law school. So that is the goal! Shooting for NU, UChicago or UMich myself, would love to move to the Chicago area. In terms of “other schools in the PNW” there are few options for students up here. Other than UW, there are private universities Gonzaga & SeattleU but those are both ranked abysmally low.

Fye!

Ive got 19 on my list right now and i feel like thats excessive :|

So inspiring !! Love the consistency!!

For the love of god Z, do anything else after graduating. Travel would be what I’d suggest most. This is literally how midlife crises happen.

You guys should do a podcast on how you met, how you started your business, how you grew it, and when did it start taking off?

U don’t need a bachelors to go to law school in California or Michigan only a minimum of 60 credit. Albeit your options thin become slim for example Cooley is the only law school in Michigan that will accept you.

157 to 175 is 18 points.....

Good advice about working in a law firm. Everyone who wants to work in biglaw should work for a biglaw firm as a paralegal. You will be treated like garbage and get a garbage salary in a high cost of living area.

Congratulations Ethan!

Great episode, no BS all good insight for future law students.

Totally agree that Malcolm Gladwell is so frequently wrong as a surface-level guy on many things. But about the party trick of looking at what answers are wrong without looking at the question, I believe that's from the Loophole by Ellen Cassidy, and I don't think she was recommending it as an actual strategy for the LSAT. She definitely qualified it by saying it only works on some questions, and that the main point was to just show that some answers are definitively wrong and there's a pattern to some wrong answers. Love the podcast though!

Awful advice to give up if u dont get a full ride lmfao

20 points in 2 months is incredible! Good job

Mine was on zoning laws, I think I went too commie….

Y'all mispronounced tf outta concomitant

No offense, but this podcast sounds like a broken record. Solve one question at a time and make sure you do a thorough review of your mistakes.

These guys are condescending af-if you want my 2 cents, don’t give people with negative/supremest attitudes the power to make your decisions for you, go with your gut instead

Truly amazing and inspiring. Congratulations!

An admissions person asked me why I increased 9 points in 1 month. My honest response was verbatim “LeBron avgs about 26 points a game. Sometimes tho, he has a bad game for no real reason other than it just wasn’t his day and scores 12. In August, I could only put 12 on the board. It just wasn’t my day.”

i have a bachelor's in physics (3.23 cumulative) and a master's in astronomy from a european school (3.7 gpa). with a good lsat (170+) is law school with a scholarship + stipend a possibility?

Is our understanding of what we read the only thing worth paying conscious attention to?

16:30 -that sentence is a dangling modifier. Lol.

I'm currently scoring a 150 in my practice tests and haven't been able to see any real progress since September. So I've decided to wait one more year and take this time to really improve. My goal is a 170 similar to Matt. I would love to try out LSAT Demon services! I really need to change my study approach because this one just isn't working.

I personally met a retired principal who attended law school at 70 years of age. She was healthy looking, feisty and determined. Not only did she become an Elder Law Attorney, but afterwards she got a pilot's license. She lived into her nineties. Paul, if you want it and you are healthy enough for a rigorous program, go get your JD.

16:18 What gets measured gets attention. The irony is the only thing the LSAT measures is how many correct answers we get. However, students are more focused on speed to get to more questions as opposed to getting the questions they already are fast enough to get to correct. Nathan (correspondent) already has an entire passage worth of points he’s leaving on the table (that he’s already fast enough to attempt) by not prioritizing accuracy over speed.

Are there any things in life that practicing the LSAT logic games would be good for?

This is great information! Can you please provide details on how I can I sign up for the free LR 30 minute class held in November?

Turned off the video when I heard his scores. Some of these people need to get a grip

Thanks so much for this! I haven't yet gotten the LSAT score I want to get into my ideal schools, but was contemplating going to a non-preferred school with lower stats. Being an older aspiring student, I have felt rushed not to miss this admission's cycle, but your words resonated, and I'm not going to rush it if things don't align this year.

I'm thinking of law school to be an entrepreneur. I do like the skills I was starting to learn in my pre law classes during undergrad.

American attorneys are known for drinking.

The culture of biglaw sounds like the movie Goodfellas.