No doubt. 3 and 4 missed the forest for the trees, while The Sims 2 struck the best balance in the franchise. That said, The Urbz: Sims in the City was the best console sim of all time
@@НААТ I can 100% tell you Sims 3 was a less charming and worse game to me. But 4, I've admittedly not experienced directly since I'd boycotted EA for their business practices by then. From the Carl's Sim Guides video on Sims 4, certainly sounded like everything I've come to expect from EA
If there's hate for James, those people need their heads read. He seems like a genuine top bloke, and for the talent of the bloke, not even slightly cocky or arrogant. I'd gladly go for a pint with him. Don't get that impression from a lot of drivers. ✌🇦🇺
@@garykendall9426 hmm coming from the future that seemed a really strange thing for the interviewer to say and james seemed pretty surprised by it.. bit unprofessional to be honest.. sure it was a producer question to try and make things more engaging but just comes across as unnecessary
Labeling AMS2 as Project Cars is not fair. I mean just because they use the same engine they are still completely different driving experiences. It's like saying all sims run on windows so they must drive the same....
Exactly. Can you shoot people with a Flak Cannon in ACC? No. It's what you do with the engine that matters, it just so happens the Madness engine is a dedicated car simulation engine and Reiza are unlocking more and more of its potential in ways Project Cars never did.
@@loz_archer defo agree on that Reiza does amazing work with that engine and I hope they will achieve what pCARS always claimed they would.. as I think the engine itself is capable of it
I got sucked into the ams2 hype and purchased the super duper every future update version and I STILL absolutely hate the game! So crappy from car to car and why the hell should I have to load a third party FFB profile to make the game I paid for a drivable experience? I have 100’s of hours of experience on many different sims from professional built manufacturers software to sim games and ams2 BLOWS! Sorry
I didn´t said it´s the same, as mentioned on another comment, this was aimed towards the general reaction by the community when the madness engine announcement came out (as with the engine came certain advantages and disadvantages). But Reiza made a tremendous job in dialing in the physics of this engine, especially considering that they came of AMS1 which was based on G-Motor and P-Motor engines (which is the same engine we use/used on rFactor 2)
@Ez Pz and defo we don´t get paid by any developer/publisher , I can promise you that. VR experience in sims is a totally different topic but I agree that AMS2 is awesome there (not surprised tho as I also already liked the pCARS 2 VR experience, especially compared to iRacing back then.)
@@renebuttler6720 Apologies for my harsh comment, everybody has the right to have their own take about any simulator but it really upsets me how every person uses the "madness engine" card to discredit AMS2 without even trying the game. AMS2 has things to criticise and I agree ACC is superior overall when it comes to scanned tracks or GT3 stuff but at least I expect from people to put the time and efford into the game before telling others the "It's project cars" thing.
I already knew the video wouldn't help. But I came here to leave a comment for them. There's no such a "the most realistic" sim period. All top 5 are the best in their own different areas.
The problems with ams2 is online. Its really hard to find online lobby that is not empty and with content you own and wants to play. And racing vs bots is too booring
Rf2 the best hands down if you can get to grips wighits quirks ...and rbr for rally. All other titles are arcade IMHO, and for those who prefer eye candy graphics.
It's wild to me that starting sim racing in 2017 isn't super recent. I'm becoming a sim racin Grey beard, 40th birthday tomorrow and been on iracing for 14 years. Whoa!! :)
I can still remember Grunna and Nils from the LFS forums... back then when the red Logitec Momo wheel base was one of the best gear to have ;) Btw. love the format. Thanks for bringing awesome sim racing stuff to watch! All the best for 2022!
Ah the red Momo force, the legendary wheel everyone wanted back then haha (especially for those cool pedals). I only ever managed to grab the normal dark edition tho. And greetings to an old 4p forum member then ;)
@@renebuttler6720 I think they were a limited edition and were not sold anymore at that time? ;) - Also only had a normal Logitech GT wheel. Cheers and greetings back.
@@McLogo76 yeah that could be, would explain why only a few drivers ever got their hands on them. I think on MaXlan back then one driver had it.. WolleT maybe?
Two good blokes talking about the good stuff. But for those with no time to go for the whole thing: James goes for ACC on top of Iracing and Rf2. (He has not yet tried AMS2).
December 2021. There are not even a dozen sims available and AMS2 is not being considered because they haven’t tried it. The sim is fantastic. Disregarding simply because it’s based on PC2 is simply ignorant. It’s the prettiest by far. Great physics. Weather by far superior. Still a long way to go to be complete though.
Lol. René saying James is hated for being just a real world driver and sim driver. I think René forgets he runs a racing team, drives in the real world and virtual world, commentates, presents this channel, advises video game developers, he's the one we should hate 🤣
@@memoNo1719 That Jaaames guy is driving actual GT3 cars but i guess that ACC always get praised no matter what, and what you say Raceroom my N1 sinds the moment i started to play it but i guess that people rather go mainstream.
@@CiroDiMaRzio12304 Unfortenaly.. But with the Mianstream it's such a thing .. Whether it's RRRE or rF2. Both pure simulations. You can't race through the curves at 300, to put it in an exaggerated way. I don't want to say anything about ACC. .since VR is not optimally optimized, I am not interested in it. It may be very good. But as a VR user, I can't judge that. .
I enjoyed AMS 2 but the AI were too easy on the highest difficulty. I havent tried it online but i enjoy having a sim that i can go to specifically to run against AI
Ams 2 has the best VR graphics true but that's because it uses the mad engine. Project cars 2 has been great in VR already. People didn't give slightly mad studios enough credit for it
thank you, doing my best! It is incredible how much Reiza improved the Madness engine, especially considering that AMS1 was still on the ISI-motor engine. But also the content they produced for rF2 on that ISI engine was top notch. I still believe that a mix of both would be the absolute best outcome. - Rene
@@OverTake_gg Seriously it's a shame we cant have a time machine where they just hire Reiza or buy them out with the EA bag instead of just leasing their engine. AMS2 is waaay better physics wise and VR/Rain BUT PC2 balled out on the licensing budget and had EVERYTHING (to the point where they did not really finish all tracks/cars). If we could have had all that content on AMS2! Maybe one day a modder will figure out how to transfer all the PC2 stuff to AMS2.
ACC is really good, as is AC, just wish ACC wasn't so demanding running triple screen. Unreal Engine 4 is disappointingly demanding on graphics hardware. I recently got AMS2, which looks/runs great but the FFB is way overdone in a way that is good and bad...it's bad that it's not super realistic, but good in that it's super informative and you can feel exactly what is happening with the car through some of the "extra" force feedback. However, I feel like the cars (GT4 at least) are extremely squirrely and have an ice rink feel to them...and it's not good that it was hard to tell whether level 8 TC was more / less / the same amount of TC as 1 lol. I'll have to experiment with the setup and see if it gets better. iRacing was good, but their "you own nothing" pay scheme had me canceling after a 1-year gift sub. Personally, I prefer RaceRoom out of all for the driving experience, constant updates have been making it better and better, though it doesn't have the multiplayer base or weather...
It has it's warts but pc2 is probably my favorite video game ever. Been on ACC a lot now but i often go back to pc2 it's just such a great game....at least when it doesn't get in it's own way...
Great stuff as always James! I’m totally with ACC when it comes to the whole experience of a true “Sim” & of course it looks amazing with all the cars details inside & out, however ACC needs more tracks before anything else. I must admit iRacing has the upper hand when it comes to tracks, cars & the simplicity of just hopping in races but ACC is the king imho. Imagine what it’ll be like when ACC gets all tracks in the SRO calendar & if they add more cars!
@@LEMON3705 I know right. Sadly I think we’ll have to wait until ACC2 which will be more like AC when it comes to tracks & cars. I miss LeMans so much. I think we will definitely get the US tracks soon though 🤙🏽
@@RockafellaRacing I'm not sure if a second AC will be good compared to Acc to be honest. As u know ac is all about mods and stuffs and acc is more accurate because it focus on limited amount of content. Personally I like the way they do acc more. But maybe ac is just too old to feel realistic now...
great show guys! Might be 1 of the best production qualities out there currently. Keep at it! Also good to know Rene has been around as long as I have for sim racing. Papyrus Indycar Racing 2 baby! haha
Ams2 is on the madness engine as graphical emgine but on the isi physics engine. Just like Rfactor2 and iracing. Rfactor2 feels far more natural than ACC. At the time of filiming, acc was on a tire phyiscs that simulated one point of contact? Now its five. Ams2 and rfactor2 simulates a whole tyre patch. Which is probably why it's so much easier to find the tyre grip limit. On any case, way more fun.
v1.10.2 for ACC is great, only started playing this seriously after I got my new sim rig setup the way I like it. I love the ACC online races, always tense and requires focus. For some reason, i just can’t get into iracing as i have no interest in their official races as a newbie. iracing is popular but u can’t pinpoint why it is loved by community. definitely can’t be the outdated graphics, the physics (I don’t feel connected to the car or road) as I own the same car i use in iRacing. it’s nothing like the real thing. PC sim racing titles should take a leaf out of GT7 which gives direction to a new comers on what they should do next. Just hate having to buy cars and tracks as all the good content is behind a paywall. Had a blast with a buddy on ACC last night both on our sim rigs, next thing you know, we did 50 laps in 5 back to back races in 3 hours straight of racing. ACC needs harsher penalities, so many people just take each other out for no reason what so ever. corner is just chaos and after 4 weeks of practising, my lap times really have improved and i feel connected for the road. i personally prefer ACC over iracing. out of the box, i find AMS2 and iracing really lack feel unless i spend time tuning all the FFB settings.
It's pleasant to hear a pro pilot say that Acc is the simulation that comes closest to real life. Iracing has too much grip for me, especially when you look at onboards like the 24h of Spa where there are too many places that don't go flat out even though the game allows it.
I’ve been with iracing since beta, 08. I’ve never liked their tires or brakes. The ir18 is probably the best car as far as pushing the edge and being able to catch it once it goes over. The GT3 cars, gte and others, once they go, it’s a slow lazy spin. Ya, ya can do the “sim” thing, sim in the brakes to straighten it out but that’s not reality. As far as ACC, I don’t have it because it’s only GT3 cars. I’m going to get ams2 , main reason is for the CART package. Waiting for their Xmas sale.
I cant decide between ACC and AMS2. ACC has so much authenticity, AMS2 still needs some love but dear lord when its right its on fire. F-USA around Cleveland with Karsten's rfuktur 5.05 on my DD1 is bliss in the ffb feels department. Im just happy I got all these sims to swap between - even PC2 still gets loaded up when I miss some of the content in there.
@@mohamadharisarfan5993 if your main goal is multiplayer for sure iracing. I just really dislike the way the ffb is in iracing in most cars. So little useable information. I do load it up occasionally but im more into immersion than competition (yes im slow :))
@@JohnnyEMatos well if we are being critical they are all just games for entertainment purposes. So no worries... whichever one does float your boat is also just a pretend driving game :).
There probably is no SIM racing game that performs real life driving. The only real driving I did was Karting many years ago as a teenager with my Dad and we raced on many different local Kart tracks in Chicago area. I love doing SIM racing cause it is great entertainment for me, I use VR, and to race against friends on Simulated well known tracks. There are several SIM games, not just one, that I enjoy to bring up and race on. Happy Holidays to everyone.
Do you think for those who can't afford real cars or racing, there's not much hope substituting for relying on simulation to train for real racing and control skills?
Saying AMS2 sucks because of the Madness engine is just spewing ignorance. What exactly does the interviewer know about either of the engines used in AMS2/ACC. Instead of offering a baseless opinion on the Madness engine, how about bringing James back after he's had a go in AMS2 and ask the question again. It's more about the devs than just the engine itself, proven by ACC and its inability to optimize the Unreal 4 engine like most other games. Not an ACC hater here, would honestly like to see someone do this again with Baldwin to get his opinion on AMS2 vs ACC.
Not particulary disagreeing with anything else James said about these sims and not saying iRacing most realistic sim - because it clearly is not - i've never understood the argument about iRacing brakes being unrealistic because you cannot get to "100%" without locking while there not being a 100% braking force in reality? This might depend on overall philosophy but to me the way iRacing maps and treats brake, throttle and steering inputs etc., they absolutely nailed that and i wish other developers would actually take note. Between all the valid things you can criticize like tire model, ffb, graphics etc. it feels odd to often hear this at the forefront when in my opinion it is actually the other way round.
I was just thinking that i got into sim racing in 99 with Grand Prix Legends with a Hyperstimulater wheel, pedals and cockpit. Things have come a long way. I am still looking for somthing that will let you run the entire 1966 f1 season again. Anyone know of a sim that will do it?
It just looks like an advertisement and an attempt to sell ACC, which, in my opinion, does not have a normal tire model, except for the operating tire pressure window. As a result, one of the worst implementations of force feedback, where there is no important information about weight transfer and so on. The opinion presented in the video is not specific. Allegedly, ACC is realistic. Well, let's compare with that bus in iracing, which may not be ideal, and the level of ffb working with irffb. In comparison, rubber in ACC is not rubber at all, but plastic. I think the video is at least dishonest. Just a lot of other irl pilots have the opposite opinion about ACC
iRacing or RF2, maybe AC depending on the quality of the model. Any other thing apart from that is just a lie. I personally like iRacing and RF2 depending on car model, but both are the best driving wise, equally far from the real thing: RF2 way too forgiving with drifts and iRacing less forgiving than the real thing.
Some good content here, some from James, the rest from the viewer comments but the host? Seems like he's more interested in showmanship rather than knowing his chosen topic
Hey Wayne, Sorry to hear that you didn´t liked me as a host in this episode. Always happy to improve, so if you let me know what specific elements you felt are "wrong", I will look into it :) Regarding the "knowing about his chosen topic" tho, I think I bring a lot of experience from simracing and a bit of real racing into it, but obviously my role is to host/interview and get a few reactions of our guests here and there, so that is different to a situation where I would just freely talk about simracing
@@renebuttler6720 Actually I appreciate your reply, I actually sat down this morning and re-watched your video right through and my comment was unfair. I think the off the cuff comment about AMS2 being basically Project Cars put me off and then I didn't give enough credit to the rest of the interview, my bad. It would have been nice to incorporate AMS2 into that discussion better but seeing as James hasn't tried it, and probably never will now it's and unfair request. Sorry again, my comment could have been better delivered.
@@wayneshephard all good, no worries. Always up for an open talk. YOu´re right, AMS was underrepresented due to those facts, which is why Joe stepped in and did a video about AMS a few days later. I can understand that my comment can trigger (which is obviously part of the job haha) but I really just tried to "echo" what the community said back then, I probably didn´t made that clear enough there, which is my mistake
For xbox one x the most realistic sims are : 1. Acc 2. Ac , far better ffb , actually the best of the best , but I believe acc is more modern game and more realistic, ac has miles better ffb , no input lag , better frame rate , better cars 3. Dirt 2.0 , love the physics, handling, sound
James is an amazing person (not just an incredible driver) and what you see here is us just having some fun in front of camera, not bashing anyone. It´s part of the play :) Altho I would also never say that I would not be jealous when it comes to James lol. Even tho we both do real racing, I wouldn´t mind trading my races for a race in his GT3 haha and besides the race career, I wouldn´t mind the hair either! ;)
Who hates James Baldwin? I've never heard anyone say that ever... why would you put that out there. Making James seem hated? Maybe people do, does anyone here think that?
Regarding the dynamics of the car, the momentum, the feel (and flexible modelling) of the tires, I have yet to try a sim that is clearly better than good old LFS.
I just don’t get why is james glazing acc? For me and many many others it feels terrible. And i think there is a reason why the big gt3 events are never driven in ac
Which Sim Racing Game is the most realisitc? this question needs to stop, we need to look to this question a little bit differently, so in terms of it being more realistic i have no idea because i've never driven a gt3 car at all or a gt4. the physics and options, iRacing is a sim racing but doesn't have the true to life graphics, gran turismo sport is a semi sim racing, is not an arcade game and is not an full sim, but is more close to a sim racing and will be more when gran turism 7 arrives, and not forgetting the graphics are the top 1, is in first place in termes of real life like
Oh dear, saying AMS2 is basically PC2 shows a lack of understanding and the blatant brown nosing of ACC is getting embarrassing right now, it’s an absolute dog that runs poorly even on monster machines, I’m just glad they’re all pushing each other - great time to be a sim racer whichever product you prefer
No such a "the most realistic Sim" All top 10s Sims are the best in some specific area. -iRacing with the ranking ACC with the car body mass fidelity -AM2 with tires and grip model -RaceRoom with the sound and Sim beginners friendly -rFactor 2 with the overall car feel and experience Etc.... Only if you could combine them all, you would have "the perfect sim"
@@CiroDiMaRzio12304 iRacing- Member since 2009 (on and off) ACC - 290hrs RaceRoom - 200hrs AM2 - little over 80hrs rFactor 2 - over 60hrs I did other old sim like LFS, which I think got the best tire physics for its age but ACC is got the most of what I want from a Simracing platform.
the "basically project cars" line bounces off the general reaction that the sim got on multiple forums and groups for using the Madness Engine. With the engine comes advantages and disadvantages, and the "image" is one of the disadvantages unfortunately
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ACC, for sure.
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I wamt acc to make a sim with f1. F1 has best graphics, acc best physics in my opinion
Since v1.8 I'd say ACC
Everyone knows The Sims 2 was the best sim game of all time
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Right and obviouse because it has Sim direct in the name :). I think then, Mario Kart is also a good contender :D.
No doubt. 3 and 4 missed the forest for the trees, while The Sims 2 struck the best balance in the franchise. That said, The Urbz: Sims in the City was the best console sim of all time
@@Serzari 3 and 4 are way better. More content, better graphics better gameplay. The multiplayer. Nostalgia got u blind from the truth
@@НААТ I can 100% tell you Sims 3 was a less charming and worse game to me. But 4, I've admittedly not experienced directly since I'd boycotted EA for their business practices by then. From the Carl's Sim Guides video on Sims 4, certainly sounded like everything I've come to expect from EA
If there's hate for James, those people need their heads read. He seems like a genuine top bloke, and for the talent of the bloke, not even slightly cocky or arrogant. I'd gladly go for a pint with him. Don't get that impression from a lot of drivers. ✌🇦🇺
People are just jealous wankers. Be glad for the lad
@@garykendall9426 hmm coming from the future that seemed a really strange thing for the interviewer to say and james seemed pretty surprised by it.. bit unprofessional to be honest.. sure it was a producer question to try and make things more engaging but just comes across as unnecessary
Labeling AMS2 as Project Cars is not fair. I mean just because they use the same engine they are still completely different driving experiences. It's like saying all sims run on windows so they must drive the same....
Was going to write it.
Completely agree, that take on AMS2 was no take at all, that was throwing bias.
Exactly. Can you shoot people with a Flak Cannon in ACC? No. It's what you do with the engine that matters, it just so happens the Madness engine is a dedicated car simulation engine and Reiza are unlocking more and more of its potential in ways Project Cars never did.
@@loz_archer defo agree on that Reiza does amazing work with that engine and I hope they will achieve what pCARS always claimed they would.. as I think the engine itself is capable of it
yeah, the host loses so much credibility when he says this
I got sucked into the ams2 hype and purchased the super duper every future update version and I STILL absolutely hate the game! So crappy from car to car and why the hell should I have to load a third party FFB profile to make the game I paid for a drivable experience? I have 100’s of hours of experience on many different sims from professional built manufacturers software to sim games and ams2 BLOWS! Sorry
The evolution of James has been incredible to watch. I hope to see him win LeMans one day
6:16 Honestly, get another host because telling AMS2 is the same as project cars is a clear indicator that he doesn't know wtf is going on
I didn´t said it´s the same, as mentioned on another comment, this was aimed towards the general reaction by the community when the madness engine announcement came out (as with the engine came certain advantages and disadvantages). But Reiza made a tremendous job in dialing in the physics of this engine, especially considering that they came of AMS1 which was based on G-Motor and P-Motor engines (which is the same engine we use/used on rFactor 2)
@Ez Pz and defo we don´t get paid by any developer/publisher , I can promise you that.
VR experience in sims is a totally different topic but I agree that AMS2 is awesome there (not surprised tho as I also already liked the pCARS 2 VR experience, especially compared to iRacing back then.)
@@renebuttler6720 im just replying to this, so i can get notified whenever original comments start getting backpedaled
@@renebuttler6720 Apologies for my harsh comment, everybody has the right to have their own take about any simulator but it really upsets me how every person uses the "madness engine" card to discredit AMS2 without even trying the game. AMS2 has things to criticise and I agree ACC is superior overall when it comes to scanned tracks or GT3 stuff but at least I expect from people to put the time and efford into the game before telling others the "It's project cars" thing.
I already knew the video wouldn't help. But I came here to leave a comment for them. There's no such a "the most realistic" sim period. All top 5 are the best in their own different areas.
You guys are discustigstly disregarding AMS2 which is amazing and really beyond Pc2 at this point + best in vr
The problems with ams2 is online. Its really hard to find online lobby that is not empty and with content you own and wants to play. And racing vs bots is too booring
@@superstar5042 my hope rests on the future updates which are promising and I must say the ai is really impressive too but I agree with you.
Rf2 the best hands down if you can get to grips wighits quirks ...and rbr for rally. All other titles are arcade IMHO, and for those who prefer eye candy graphics.
Assetto corsa 1?
James saying the graphics in ACC could be better while playing with shadows turned off...
It's wild to me that starting sim racing in 2017 isn't super recent. I'm becoming a sim racin Grey beard, 40th birthday tomorrow and been on iracing for 14 years. Whoa!! :)
Best NitroNights yet!
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Well I love you guys! I have massive respect for the passion you both have for the sport and was fun conversation too 😁
Happy Christmas guys 🤛
I can still remember Grunna and Nils from the LFS forums... back then when the red Logitec Momo wheel base was one of the best gear to have ;)
Btw. love the format. Thanks for bringing awesome sim racing stuff to watch! All the best for 2022!
Ah the red Momo force, the legendary wheel everyone wanted back then haha (especially for those cool pedals). I only ever managed to grab the normal dark edition tho. And greetings to an old 4p forum member then ;)
@@renebuttler6720 I think they were a limited edition and were not sold anymore at that time? ;) - Also only had a normal Logitech GT wheel. Cheers and greetings back.
@@McLogo76 yeah that could be, would explain why only a few drivers ever got their hands on them. I think on MaXlan back then one driver had it.. WolleT maybe?
@@renebuttler6720 I thought Vykos from Ocrana had one but cannot remember anymore ;) - I made the skins back then for the GF SpeedBees.
@@McLogo76 that could be tbh, wouldn´t be surprised. Remember that team, still into simracing?
Two good blokes talking about the good stuff. But for those with no time to go for the whole thing: James goes for ACC on top of Iracing and Rf2. (He has not yet tried AMS2).
December 2021. There are not even a dozen sims available and AMS2 is not being considered because they haven’t tried it. The sim is fantastic. Disregarding simply because it’s based on PC2 is simply ignorant. It’s the prettiest by far. Great physics. Weather by far superior. Still a long way to go to be complete though.
Hi, maybe our latest video is something for you, it deals with AMS2 in depth!
Lol. René saying James is hated for being just a real world driver and sim driver. I think René forgets he runs a racing team, drives in the real world and virtual world, commentates, presents this channel, advises video game developers, he's the one we should hate 🤣
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Not even watched it yet but I'm guessing James said ACC is the most realistic XD. I do agree with it tho
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@@OverTake_gg I really commented this without watching yet 😂😂
@Zeth Yuen I'll take your word for it 😜
I, and a couple Pro drivers I know tend to way prefer RF2, or modified versions of AC that aren't really consumer based:(
“Main three ACC, iRacing, Rfactor2 ”….. let’s not forget AC. Im guessing he hasn’t tried it though. Pretty sure it would have been included if he had.
He mentioned it later in the video. So he definitely played it.
In my eyes it’s a toss up between acc and ams2 and hopefully ac2 in 2024
My vote goes to AMS 2. In VR, it's just unbeatable.
This was great content. 🤘 Live for Speed came about in 2003 though.
Congrats on 30K Subs!!!!!
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No one mentions Raceroom? It is my favourite.
Yeah i didn't understand this..
Where are the experts?
Physics and tyres are awesome..
@@memoNo1719 That Jaaames guy is driving actual GT3 cars but i guess that ACC always get praised no matter what, and what you say Raceroom my N1 sinds the moment i started to play it but i guess that people rather go mainstream.
@@CiroDiMaRzio12304 Unfortenaly..
But with the Mianstream it's such a thing ..
Whether it's RRRE or rF2.
Both pure simulations.
You can't race through the curves at 300, to put it in an exaggerated way.
I don't want to say anything about ACC.
.since VR is not optimally optimized, I am not interested in it.
It may be very good.
But as a VR user, I can't judge that. .
@@CiroDiMaRzio12304he has driven 9 races in a gt3 car so don’t take him as a expert
7:53 Drive to Survive style onboard/sound scene
'Modability'.. I'll take that one. Cheers James 😁
AMS 2 is really good now, RF2 has really disappointed never got there over the last couple of news other titles just did a better job.
RF2 presentation is the worst, but still has some high quality content. If you can get past all the other issues...
If ams2 had all wec tracks and cars or mods I'd be all in on it
I enjoyed AMS 2 but the AI were too easy on the highest difficulty. I havent tried it online but i enjoy having a sim that i can go to specifically to run against AI
Ams 2 has the best VR graphics true but that's because it uses the mad engine. Project cars 2 has been great in VR already. People didn't give slightly mad studios enough credit for it
What about RaceRoom?
im subscribing to this channel because the host paused and mentioned AMS2 is on the mad engine....salute OG props for knowing your stuff
thank you, doing my best! It is incredible how much Reiza improved the Madness engine, especially considering that AMS1 was still on the ISI-motor engine. But also the content they produced for rF2 on that ISI engine was top notch. I still believe that a mix of both would be the absolute best outcome. - Rene
@@OverTake_gg Seriously it's a shame we cant have a time machine where they just hire Reiza or buy them out with the EA bag instead of just leasing their engine. AMS2 is waaay better physics wise and VR/Rain BUT PC2 balled out on the licensing budget and had EVERYTHING (to the point where they did not really finish all tracks/cars). If we could have had all that content on AMS2! Maybe one day a modder will figure out how to transfer all the PC2 stuff to AMS2.
ACC is really good, as is AC, just wish ACC wasn't so demanding running triple screen. Unreal Engine 4 is disappointingly demanding on graphics hardware. I recently got AMS2, which looks/runs great but the FFB is way overdone in a way that is good and bad...it's bad that it's not super realistic, but good in that it's super informative and you can feel exactly what is happening with the car through some of the "extra" force feedback. However, I feel like the cars (GT4 at least) are extremely squirrely and have an ice rink feel to them...and it's not good that it was hard to tell whether level 8 TC was more / less / the same amount of TC as 1 lol. I'll have to experiment with the setup and see if it gets better. iRacing was good, but their "you own nothing" pay scheme had me canceling after a 1-year gift sub. Personally, I prefer RaceRoom out of all for the driving experience, constant updates have been making it better and better, though it doesn't have the multiplayer base or weather...
Great Host. Great questions! Good luck for the future James Incredible Talent and Story!!!
Nothing like pcars 2 m8, what reiza have done is next level
It has it's warts but pc2 is probably my favorite video game ever. Been on ACC a lot now but i often go back to pc2 it's just such a great game....at least when it doesn't get in it's own way...
Great stuff as always James! I’m totally with ACC when it comes to the whole experience of a true “Sim” & of course it looks amazing with all the cars details inside & out, however ACC needs more tracks before anything else. I must admit iRacing has the upper hand when it comes to tracks, cars & the simplicity of just hopping in races but ACC is the king imho. Imagine what it’ll be like when ACC gets all tracks in the SRO calendar & if they add more cars!
I want full nurburgring so badly
@@LEMON3705 I know right. Sadly I think we’ll have to wait until ACC2 which will be more like AC when it comes to tracks & cars. I miss LeMans so much. I think we will definitely get the US tracks soon though 🤙🏽
@@RockafellaRacing I'm not sure if a second AC will be good compared to Acc to be honest. As u know ac is all about mods and stuffs and acc is more accurate because it focus on limited amount of content. Personally I like the way they do acc more. But maybe ac is just too old to feel realistic now...
@@LEMON3705 it’s coming :)!
Man, the traveling down sim memory lane, I spent so many hours in Sports Car GT on a Genius FFB wheel.
Oh man i used to play it with keyboard. Happy days.
@@karasakizbaris wow, keyboard was super hard with that game
@@Rockspider99 well i was a small kid so it didnt really mattered to me all that much.
For me.., *ACC* and *rFactor 2* are the 🤴 *KINGS..!!!* 🤴 of near realism in SIM Racing..!!! 👍💯😎
Makes sense to get who ever you interview to try all the current sims... An then give an opinion.
great show guys! Might be 1 of the best production qualities out there currently. Keep at it! Also good to know Rene has been around as long as I have for sim racing. Papyrus Indycar Racing 2 baby! haha
Thanks! ❤️ Yes, René is a true veteran 😂
Where are the car shadows in the acc clip? It doesn’t look remotely that bad for me.
Good video though!
Automobilista2, ACC, RF2, iRacing. In that order, imo.
All sims have the core principle nailed so they are all good enough. In the end its still a game not real life so dont focus too much on it.
Hey dude. You have my lamp 😆
Ams2 is on the madness engine as graphical emgine but on the isi physics engine. Just like Rfactor2 and iracing. Rfactor2 feels far more natural than ACC. At the time of filiming, acc was on a tire phyiscs that simulated one point of contact? Now its five. Ams2 and rfactor2 simulates a whole tyre patch. Which is probably why it's so much easier to find the tyre grip limit. On any case, way more fun.
rFactor 2 tyre model is probably the most sophisticated one but it also makes it very hard to work on it (mod wise) unfortunately. - Rene
Acc was on the 5 point tyre model at this stage
1-AMS2 best sim after 1.3 update , 2-ACC
So, you're asking a guy who hasn't played a lot of sims which is the best sim? I'm guessing you didn't think this one.
I have ACC for GT
Rfactor 2 for Everything else
AMS2 for graphics, engaging and fun drives.
rf2
v1.10.2 for ACC is great, only started playing this seriously after I got my new sim rig setup the way I like it.
I love the ACC online races, always tense and requires focus.
For some reason, i just can’t get into iracing as i have no interest in their official races as a newbie.
iracing is popular but u can’t pinpoint why it is loved by community.
definitely can’t be the outdated graphics, the physics (I don’t feel connected to the car or road) as I own the same car i use in iRacing. it’s nothing like the real thing.
PC sim racing titles should take a leaf out of GT7 which gives direction to a new comers on what they should do next.
Just hate having to buy cars and tracks as all the good content is behind a paywall.
Had a blast with a buddy on ACC last night both on our sim rigs, next thing you know, we did 50 laps in 5 back to back races in 3 hours straight of racing.
ACC needs harsher penalities, so many people just take each other out for no reason what so ever.
corner is just chaos and after 4 weeks of practising, my lap times really have improved and i feel connected for the road.
i personally prefer ACC over iracing. out of the box, i find AMS2 and iracing really lack feel unless i spend time tuning all the FFB settings.
It's pleasant to hear a pro pilot say that Acc is the simulation that comes closest to real life. Iracing has too much grip for me, especially when you look at onboards like the 24h of Spa where there are too many places that don't go flat out even though the game allows it.
My favourite sim racing games forza motorsport and gran turismo assetto corsa competizione project cars
I’ve been with iracing since beta, 08. I’ve never liked their tires or brakes. The ir18 is probably the best car as far as pushing the edge and being able to catch it once it goes over. The GT3 cars, gte and others, once they go, it’s a slow lazy spin. Ya, ya can do the “sim” thing, sim in the brakes to straighten it out but that’s not reality. As far as ACC, I don’t have it because it’s only GT3 cars. I’m going to get ams2 , main reason is for the CART package. Waiting for their Xmas sale.
NFS Heat for sure
He needs to educate himself with the likes of raceroom and AMS2.
I cant decide between ACC and AMS2. ACC has so much authenticity, AMS2 still needs some love but dear lord when its right its on fire. F-USA around Cleveland with Karsten's rfuktur 5.05 on my DD1 is bliss in the ffb feels department. Im just happy I got all these sims to swap between - even PC2 still gets loaded up when I miss some of the content in there.
What bout iracing? Y they aren't talking bout iracing
@@mohamadharisarfan5993 if your main goal is multiplayer for sure iracing. I just really dislike the way the ffb is in iracing in most cars. So little useable information. I do load it up occasionally but im more into immersion than competition (yes im slow :))
@@SlowBloke123 oic
I have both but I just can't see AMS2 as a sim. the physics and sounds are off and curbs are completely useless
@@JohnnyEMatos well if we are being critical they are all just games for entertainment purposes. So no worries... whichever one does float your boat is also just a pretend driving game :).
rFactor 2
Great show.
AMS2 hands down
There probably is no SIM racing game that performs real life driving. The only real driving I did was Karting many years ago as a teenager with my Dad and we raced on many different local Kart tracks in Chicago area. I love doing SIM racing cause it is great entertainment for me, I use VR, and to race against friends on Simulated well known tracks. There are several SIM games, not just one, that I enjoy to bring up and race on. Happy Holidays to everyone.
Do you think for those who can't afford real cars or racing, there's not much hope substituting for relying on simulation to train for real racing and control skills?
hmmmmm......upon a quick search, looks like he's only ever had 1 race start in iRacing. a little Bias, no?
Saying AMS2 sucks because of the Madness engine is just spewing ignorance. What exactly does the interviewer know about either of the engines used in AMS2/ACC. Instead of offering a baseless opinion on the Madness engine, how about bringing James back after he's had a go in AMS2 and ask the question again. It's more about the devs than just the engine itself, proven by ACC and its inability to optimize the Unreal 4 engine like most other games. Not an ACC hater here, would honestly like to see someone do this again with Baldwin to get his opinion on AMS2 vs ACC.
Not particulary disagreeing with anything else James said about these sims and not saying iRacing most realistic sim - because it clearly is not - i've never understood the argument about iRacing brakes being unrealistic because you cannot get to "100%" without locking while there not being a 100% braking force in reality?
This might depend on overall philosophy but to me the way iRacing maps and treats brake, throttle and steering inputs etc., they absolutely nailed that and i wish other developers would actually take note.
Between all the valid things you can criticize like tire model, ffb, graphics etc. it feels odd to often hear this at the forefront when in my opinion it is actually the other way round.
I was just thinking that i got into sim racing in 99 with Grand Prix Legends with a Hyperstimulater wheel, pedals and cockpit. Things have come a long way. I am still looking for somthing that will let you run the entire 1966 f1 season again. Anyone know of a sim that will do it?
Maybe Assetto Corsa can run it.
It just looks like an advertisement and an attempt to sell ACC, which, in my opinion, does not have a normal tire model, except for the operating tire pressure window. As a result, one of the worst implementations of force feedback, where there is no important information about weight transfer and so on. The opinion presented in the video is not specific. Allegedly, ACC is realistic. Well, let's compare with that bus in iracing, which may not be ideal, and the level of ffb working with irffb. In comparison, rubber in ACC is not rubber at all, but plastic. I think the video is at least dishonest. Just a lot of other irl pilots have the opposite opinion about ACC
iRacing or RF2, maybe AC depending on the quality of the model. Any other thing apart from that is just a lie. I personally like iRacing and RF2 depending on car model, but both are the best driving wise, equally far from the real thing: RF2 way too forgiving with drifts and iRacing less forgiving than the real thing.
Keep crushing it Renee and OverTake team! Happy Holidays!
Happy holidays!
Some good content here, some from James, the rest from the viewer comments but the host? Seems like he's more interested in showmanship rather than knowing his chosen topic
Hey Wayne,
Sorry to hear that you didn´t liked me as a host in this episode. Always happy to improve, so if you let me know what specific elements you felt are "wrong", I will look into it :) Regarding the "knowing about his chosen topic" tho, I think I bring a lot of experience from simracing and a bit of real racing into it, but obviously my role is to host/interview and get a few reactions of our guests here and there, so that is different to a situation where I would just freely talk about simracing
@@renebuttler6720 Actually I appreciate your reply, I actually sat down this morning and re-watched your video right through and my comment was unfair. I think the off the cuff comment about AMS2 being basically Project Cars put me off and then I didn't give enough credit to the rest of the interview, my bad. It would have been nice to incorporate AMS2 into that discussion better but seeing as James hasn't tried it, and probably never will now it's and unfair request. Sorry again, my comment could have been better delivered.
@@wayneshephard all good, no worries. Always up for an open talk. YOu´re right, AMS was underrepresented due to those facts, which is why Joe stepped in and did a video about AMS a few days later. I can understand that my comment can trigger (which is obviously part of the job haha) but I really just tried to "echo" what the community said back then, I probably didn´t made that clear enough there, which is my mistake
Best physics/ffb
1. Raceroom
2. AC
3. ACC
4. Rfactor2
For xbox one x the most realistic sims are :
1. Acc
2. Ac , far better ffb , actually the best of the best , but I believe acc is more modern game and more realistic, ac has miles better ffb , no input lag , better frame rate , better cars
3. Dirt 2.0 , love the physics, handling, sound
Time for pc.
ACC is very realistic but it has a very bad performance in VR.
Opinion piece. Haven't driven all sims. What makes the best sim racing game would have been more appropriate.
He will not say anything other than ACC so why ask him that question?
Why is iRacing so expensive?
The announcer sounds pretty jealous of James and tryin to bash him a bit. Good composure James. Props.
James is an amazing person (not just an incredible driver) and what you see here is us just having some fun in front of camera, not bashing anyone. It´s part of the play :)
Altho I would also never say that I would not be jealous when it comes to James lol. Even tho we both do real racing, I wouldn´t mind trading my races for a race in his GT3 haha and besides the race career, I wouldn´t mind the hair either! ;)
James, never do that into the camera every again 😂😂
Who hates James Baldwin? I've never heard anyone say that ever... why would you put that out there. Making James seem hated? Maybe people do, does anyone here think that?
Regarding the dynamics of the car, the momentum, the feel (and flexible modelling) of the tires, I have yet to try a sim that is clearly better than good old LFS.
I just don’t get why is james glazing acc?
For me and many many others it feels terrible.
And i think there is a reason why the big gt3 events are never driven in ac
Which Sim Racing Game is the most realisitc? this question needs to stop, we need to look to this question a little bit differently, so in terms of it being more realistic i
have no idea because i've never driven
a gt3 car at all or a gt4.
the physics and options, iRacing is a sim racing but doesn't have the true to life graphics,
gran turismo sport is a semi sim racing, is not an arcade game and is not an full sim, but is more close to a sim racing and will be more when gran turism 7 arrives, and not forgetting the graphics are the top 1, is in first place in termes of real life like
6:12 you can not compare Rf2 with iracing my friend , iracing is not even at raceroom level
you can, because iceRacing is now less slippy than rallyFactor 2.
ACC. Spin as hell.
Sponsorisee par kunos mdrrrr fake news...
ACC et flou de paaaaaartout.....
Ecoutez verstapen qui lui nest pas payer a parler plutot
you invited a guy that did not drive in automobilista to talk about what sim is the most realistic? cool!
Oh dear, saying AMS2 is basically PC2 shows a lack of understanding and the blatant brown nosing of ACC is getting embarrassing right now, it’s an absolute dog that runs poorly even on monster machines, I’m just glad they’re all pushing each other - great time to be a sim racer whichever product you prefer
It was said jokingly
Video looks out of sync with the audio.
No such a "the most realistic Sim"
All top 10s Sims are the best in some specific area.
-iRacing with the ranking
ACC with the car body mass fidelity
-AM2 with tires and grip model
-RaceRoom with the sound and Sim beginners friendly
-rFactor 2 with the overall car feel and experience
Etc....
Only if you could combine them all, you would have "the perfect sim"
How many sims of these did you actually play and for how many hours?
@@CiroDiMaRzio12304
iRacing- Member since 2009 (on and off)
ACC - 290hrs
RaceRoom - 200hrs
AM2 - little over 80hrs
rFactor 2 - over 60hrs
I did other old sim like LFS, which I think got the best tire physics for its age but ACC is got the most of what I want from a Simracing platform.
@@hamzterix Strange that you say that raceroom is only best at sound and being noob friendly.
Is Rene related to Karl Urban?
If I could somehow look as good as he does when reaching his age, I would be over the moon!
"basically project cars" bruh... whats the interviewer on?
the "basically project cars" line bounces off the general reaction that the sim got on multiple forums and groups for using the Madness Engine. With the engine comes advantages and disadvantages, and the "image" is one of the disadvantages unfortunately
Where's Ermin?!
Lapping the Nordschlefe in iracing with that f1 merc
@@TheMeckar Emily Just knocked him out of 1st with a 52:264! All hail the Queen of the Nord!
@@thirtytwoforty I think jardier did 4.51
@@TheMeckar 😯😯😯
@@TheMeckar sorry. Edited my Emree time. Fat finger typo. Lol
ACC desperately needs a safety and drive rating system. There’s no grind to it,
there is one on ACC tho
waht? it has
@@MrThedestroy3r
i'm not sure if you're joking wiht me but it also has measurement of your car controll and track knowledge
@@Voltmander no sorry, i was answering the original comment from ThatGuyErl
Dont give a shit for me its realistic because i know i would do thet
René is horrible
He speaks way to fast. stressful guy!
You cant Listen to him!
A more down to earth attitude would serve the host and show well. All that hyped vocalizing is annoying. Be normal please.
have all and iracing is a master, don't feel brake pedals on the others, only iracing give me real feeling on braking.......
Poor you
@@Cagefighter not poor, have all 🤣
@@TheMicAailes terrible iracing
AMS2 and RFactor 2 braking feeling are awesome.
@@RDEstevao i play both, kartkraft and acc too, all are good, but iracing is another level...
ACC is simply the most realistic. rF2 is currently broken beyond repair with s397 development 'skills' and physics knowledge.
ACC 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Iracing 👑
Do not agree. ACC is good but cars to planted, to sterile… Caus of the empiric tyre model
I would not call them too planted since V1.8.
Better than rF2 where you can drift all the time with GT3 cars.
This guy really disagreeing with an irl gt3 driver on which Is the most realistic sim for gt3
@@willyoung6858 No, but a simracer than has driven the occasional GT-race. So have i… :-)
@@PetterHegevall_ GT what? There's a huge difference between GT3 and GT4 for example.
FOR EYES : ACC , but as a REAL sim : Rfactor 2 definitely , No room for any other
good joke. rF2 doesn't come close to ACC when comes to physics.
rf2 simple
iracing is still supreme. Idc how pretty this game is... this game doesn't run smooth 100% of the time
F1 22 😀