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  • @FateHasWritersBlock
    @FateHasWritersBlock 10 років тому +608

    The Romain Grosjean crash was hilarious lol

    • @JCDenton2000
      @JCDenton2000 10 років тому +90

      Grosjean's driving in general is hilarious

    • @kevinprior3549
      @kevinprior3549 5 років тому +24

      When Grosjean started his crash fest

    • @willemgroen7546
      @willemgroen7546 4 роки тому +12

      Now he's a crashing meme god

    • @manfromearth7854
      @manfromearth7854 3 роки тому +12

      It was Ericsson hit him.

    • @kieranpenrose
      @kieranpenrose 3 роки тому +45

      I was nearly like that it so out of order till saw you posted 6 years ago 😂😂

  • @ciaronsmith4995
    @ciaronsmith4995 6 років тому +708

    Sums up why Kimi has so many fans. The only non-controversial super star in the 2000s.

    • @GTChucker86
      @GTChucker86 6 років тому +90

      Ciaron Smith he does what many finns do, drink a lot and drive like hell

    • @nickpang
      @nickpang 5 років тому +46

      He pushed a cameraman once 😂😂

    • @rumblefish9
      @rumblefish9 5 років тому +37

      Ciaron Smith Kimi may have fans but in terms of skill he's long past his best days. He lucked out on a championship which he otherwise would have never had and is just basically in F1 for the money now. There is no fire or hunger or challenge in him left. He's like Ferrari's placeholder. Someone they can put in the seat until someone better comes along. Sacked when Alonso joined and then sacked again when Leclerc joined

    • @user-gu3ie
      @user-gu3ie 5 років тому +22

      He took a shit during the post race interviews 😂 was way more important to him and that's why we love him

    • @jeppejemmari7840
      @jeppejemmari7840 5 років тому +49

      @@rumblefish9 Alonso brought santander to Ferrari And that was the real reason why kimi left Ferrari, And kimi was fighting championship with mclaren few times so he Is talented driver not just lucky:D
      Your wrong about the hunger, just look him now racing In midfield beating younger drivers And stuff.
      The problem never was with kimi, massa or Alonso it was always Ferrari Who fucked up things.

  • @FatPizza56
    @FatPizza56 9 років тому +687

    Love how Nelson got his revenge for exposing how much of a dirty crook his former boss was

    • @jayrusty2012
      @jayrusty2012 6 років тому +61

      sadly Nelson is now a footnote in F1's history while ALO is hailed as a great champion!

    • @NippyMoto
      @NippyMoto 6 років тому +43

      Alonso is paying for it now, in his own words "KARMA". He will never win a race again, will probably retire at the end of this year.

    • @bighimey
      @bighimey 6 років тому +15

      Alonso is. He made both Raikkonen and Massa look rubbish at Ferrari and is handily outperforming Vandoorne who won the GP2 championship before coming into f1. The only single seater championships Piquet Jnr won were a couple F3 titles - the SA and Brittish competitions.

    • @monstalova
      @monstalova 6 років тому +21

      ΣΔΜ that's why I can't understand why people can say Alonso isn't that good. He dominated Raikkonen, (Only in Spa Kimi was faster) average speed difference was way more compared to Vettel as team-mates. Alonso is and has been the best driver since 2005. Hamilton is the quickest but makes mistakes and still has a few races per year where hes off the pace. That never happens with Alonso. All this means is that Trulli might have been the most underrated driver of all time! As he beat Alonso on many occasions lol

    • @aidankeogh5350
      @aidankeogh5350 6 років тому +1

      Monsta Lova Alonso is just brain-dead. I don't get it when he moans about joining an uncompetitive team and then moans about them being uncompetitive.

  • @SashKaLakers
    @SashKaLakers 8 років тому +663

    Basically Renault took the title away from Ferrari, which is really a shame because Massa deserved the 2008 title. Had he won that race, as he was comfortably ahead, the title would've been his.

    • @raoulduke1961
      @raoulduke1961 8 років тому +79

      +Alex Bors He had that incident with the fuel hose that cost him literally minutes in the pit lane though.

    • @anthonyiuculano6002
      @anthonyiuculano6002 8 років тому +73

      +AppetiteForAwesome Whether or not that incident had happened at the Ferrari pit box, had the race been invalidated as it arguably should have been considering the cheating and the fraud that was committed and the effect they had on the results, Massa would (and should) have been 2008 champion. It's not like Renault's actions just affected Renault. The whole race was 'contaminated' as a result.

    • @darylyatestransportblogs
      @darylyatestransportblogs 7 років тому +1

      And then Alonso practically knew it in China that year saying he would help Massa when he effectively caused the pit stop that cost Massa the title

    • @StevieV
      @StevieV 7 років тому

      Eh? Wasn't this 09

    • @darylyatestransportblogs
      @darylyatestransportblogs 7 років тому +7

      It was 08 but it only came to light in 09 after Renault got rid of Piquet when he revealed it in revenge

  • @starfail7804
    @starfail7804 7 років тому +43

    1:37 I FOUND A *BWOAH*
    MAYBE KIMI PICKED IT FROM ALONSO WHEN THEY WERE TEAMMATES IN FERRARI

    • @robinlukas4025
      @robinlukas4025 4 роки тому +3

      Kimi started to BWOAH in his times with Lotus :D

  • @gallonrs
    @gallonrs 7 років тому +871

    That nonsense has cost Felipe Massa's title that season. A pity for the sport.

    • @maliksallam6501
      @maliksallam6501 7 років тому +94

      and two years later he stole Massa's win in Germany

    • @GTI8855
      @GTI8855 7 років тому +60

      Massa could still be a champion if he hadn't make a stupid mistake in Malaysia.

    • @YentonianCarlos
      @YentonianCarlos 7 років тому +70

      Massa also had a shocker at Silverstone that year too. Plus was handed a victory by the FIA in Belgium. Did feel sorry for him in Germany in 2010 though, exactly 12 months after his accident in Budapest and it was a dick move from Ferrari making him give up a race victory that day, he was never quite the same after that.

    • @RBenjo21
      @RBenjo21 7 років тому +33

      Renault didn't make Ferrari cock up his pit stop, though.

    • @TheColinChapman
      @TheColinChapman 6 років тому +22

      eh - I disagree. there had been three teams at singapore in 2008 that had to perform double pitstops on lap 17 - McLaren, Toro Rosso and Ferrari. two teams got it going flawlessly, one team screwed it up. the risk to fall victim to a desastrous pit stop had been exactly the same for McLaren and Lewis Hamilton, but they handled it.

  • @JermaineSmit
    @JermaineSmit 10 років тому +32

    That fixing cost Massa's championship..

    • @definitelynotnero
      @definitelynotnero 5 років тому +2

      So u are saying basically that if that didnt happen, the thing that happened to him that race with the oil thing wouldnt happen?

    • @Turigemo
      @Turigemo 5 років тому +5

      Lol. What about that ridiculous penalty given to Hamilton in Spa? Lewis deserved the title in the end...

    • @definitelynotnero
      @definitelynotnero 5 років тому +2

      @@Turigemo massa had to retire in 2 consecutive grand prix, hamilton got closer to him at the end of the championship and it was down to brazil, the rain came in the last laps hamilton and massa changed to wet tires but glock didnt so in the last corner hamilton overtook glock and he won it, massa deserved it more tbh

    • @MrThedestroy3r
      @MrThedestroy3r 4 роки тому +2

      Massa´s horrible race at silverstone did, not this.

  • @Mladjasmilic
    @Mladjasmilic 8 років тому +160

    Last year, Piquet has found the team and won Formula E championchip.

  • @FreekaPista
    @FreekaPista 8 років тому +8

    The song is DJ Shadow - Stem/Long Stem for anyone wondering

  • @miles2057
    @miles2057 10 років тому +231

    This race made me think of Massa.
    If only Massa did not have that pit stop accident, he would have been world champion.
    I so wish he was world champion. I think he really deserved it and since his accident, he has never been the same.
    Now, as of 1 week before the 2014 Melbourne F1 GP, Williams are looking good in testing and are reliable thus far.
    I hope and feel as though this season with all the changes will be very exciting and we'll see other drivers making podiums this year.
    Red Bull are unreliable in the testing so far. We will see.
    I'll come back in December and see how the year panned out.

    • @MaffooowMC
      @MaffooowMC 6 років тому +36

      i dont think you came back

    • @DocFriday
      @DocFriday 6 років тому +45

      He killed himself after watching Mercedes dominate the last 3 years. (Arguably 4)

    • @miles2057
      @miles2057 5 років тому +10

      @@MaffooowMC I did

    • @timmyy24
      @timmyy24 5 років тому +4

      miles2057 lol look where Williams is now, back row lock outs every race!

    • @iiascariii3916
      @iiascariii3916 5 років тому

      miles2057 rip🙏🙏

  • @Themayseffect
    @Themayseffect 8 років тому +656

    Well Alonso is paying the price now lol

    • @davidesquivel8280
      @davidesquivel8280 8 років тому +13

      +Themayseffect YOU ARE RIGHT!

    • @kanaxu1747
      @kanaxu1747 8 років тому +72

      Karma is a bitch 😂

    • @Balnazzardi
      @Balnazzardi 8 років тому +59

      +AKATube True, and Im enjoying every moment to see Alonso in a car/team that is unlikely to be anywhere in championship in near future atleast xP
      Dont get me wrong, he is great driver, but there is so much of this crap behind him, and most of it he doesnt even feel any shame of, that I just feel utter disgust for this guy.

    • @Balnazzardi
      @Balnazzardi 8 років тому +33

      ***** I disliked Alonso way before that....all what happend in 2007, this Crashgate, Germany 2010....
      Also I have no difficulties to admit that Alonso did beat Kimi by clear margin in 2014, he could take much more out of that crappy car that Kimi could, and Vettel did the same with better car last year.
      But the fact remains that Kimi is still Ferrari's latest champion, Alonso got two shots with Ferrari and failed both times, and now he is stuck with team that he is unlikely to achieve anything, until his career is over...and Im gonna enjoy very much watching that :D

    • @Themayseffect
      @Themayseffect 8 років тому +30

      Balnazzardi Alonso may be a better driver, but he still has the dirtiest record out of all the current champions in the field. His current fate is most deserved.

  • @Showmetheevidence-
    @Showmetheevidence- 4 роки тому +58

    Hold on a minute here. I’m not familiar with this story...
    But a driver threw himself into the wall to give his team mate a leg up? Risking injury to himself/potentially others - is quite simply fucking mad.

    • @tobydavis1370
      @tobydavis1370 3 роки тому +13

      It was to keep his seat i think

    • @nightw4tchman
      @nightw4tchman 3 роки тому +2

      Almost sounds like it'd be too unbelievable to be believed,
      It was true though.

    • @sahmirlareum2718
      @sahmirlareum2718 2 роки тому +1

      Saying it put people at risk of injury is a big stretch. The real problem was the manipulation of the race

    • @sahmirlareum2718
      @sahmirlareum2718 2 роки тому

      Saying it put people at risk of injury is a big stretch. The real problem was the manipulation of the race

  • @Grim214
    @Grim214 10 років тому +153

    Sounds pretty cocky for Alonso to say he legitimately won when it was fixed. Just lost some respect for him

    • @aitorjara100
      @aitorjara100 4 роки тому +46

      What would you want him to say? he did say he still count it because he performed well and did no mistakes. If your boss is a fucking cheater you don't have to assume his fault, don't you?

    • @sujaysannyamath655
      @sujaysannyamath655 4 роки тому +8

      Well, Alonso said it himself "Karma". He never managed to win another WDC that he so wanted even though he was the superior driver most of the time.

    • @samhobbs6517
      @samhobbs6517 3 роки тому

      I never had respect for him anyway.

    • @0megalul309
      @0megalul309 2 роки тому +4

      Ham says it's legit when he knocked max out in Silverstone and also bottas crashing redbull out in Hungary

    • @noobednatherium4082
      @noobednatherium4082 2 роки тому

      You do realise that he was able to keep the lead after another SC right?

  • @Rosario_Verano
    @Rosario_Verano 5 років тому +4

    2:21 I love the tone of the question and that Mr. Bell tries to see the funny side of it.

  • @anthonyiuculano6002
    @anthonyiuculano6002 7 років тому +8

    "No fine for them". "The penalty for Renault is disqualification but suspended for two years".
    Translation:
    We'd be forced to sanction them and invalidate the race because the Championship was affected and its integrity was affected, but, since a British driver, Hamilton, in a British team, McLaren, would lose, we'll just let it go.

    • @RacingAtHome
      @RacingAtHome 6 років тому +1

      Or "It's a year later. We can't alter a result after x amount of time."

  • @stevenclements513
    @stevenclements513 11 років тому +117

    "I think that's an interpretation" It was probably Alonso's idea. He's had every team boss he's ever raced for by the neck except at McLaren, where he suffered.

    • @noobednatherium4082
      @noobednatherium4082 2 роки тому +1

      Well its been proven otherwise

    • @hoverbike
      @hoverbike 2 роки тому +5

      @@noobednatherium4082 how could he not at least have known about it?

    • @noobednatherium4082
      @noobednatherium4082 2 роки тому

      @@hoverbike Ask the FIA, not me.

    • @russian5470
      @russian5470 2 роки тому

      @@noobednatherium4082 we’re asking you not the fia

    • @noobednatherium4082
      @noobednatherium4082 2 роки тому +4

      @@russian5470 Well I read the news articles covering the FIA investigations, which said Alonso wasn't in on the plan.

  • @TheJokerit19
    @TheJokerit19 Місяць тому +3

    I'm back after Briatore's Team Enstone return in an advisory role became official.

  • @Menoita_SimRacing
    @Menoita_SimRacing 9 років тому +15

    When I was little I was a huge Alonso fan. I'm from Spain, and part of my passion for racing comes from seeing Alonso win that two world champions. The reality is Spanish TV hid that this victory was fair. They just explained what it happened, but for example I dont remember seeing that interview to Alonso. Maybe to keep the audience they didnt want to destroy Alonso's image here.

    • @PassiveSmoking
      @PassiveSmoking 8 років тому +3

      +NyW Gaming I'm prepared to give Alonso the benefit of the doubt on whether or not he knew. He didn't need to know what his team had planned for the strategy to work. I don't like him but I do respect him.

    • @Balnazzardi
      @Balnazzardi 8 років тому +5

      +PassiveSmoking Either way whether he did or didnt know (and I seriously doubt how he could have not been informed), the fact that he didnt show any shame about that victory even year later when the truth had came out.....ye, Im willing to say that he is one of the best drivers out there, but I dont like him one bit and certainly dont feel sorry for him, when he lost the championship 2 times with Ferrari or that he is now struggling to win anymore races with Mclaren-Honda.

    • @tombardsley3081
      @tombardsley3081 3 роки тому +4

      @@PassiveSmoking he would have known considering the fuel load he was given starting from 15th at a new street circuit which didn’t have many overtaking opportunities.

    • @Hornetmelli
      @Hornetmelli Рік тому

      Alonso en ningun momento sabia lo que iba a pasar, de verdad piensas que Alonso iba a permitir eso? Si es uno de los conductores mas limpio y respetuoso de la parrilla?

  • @anthonyiuculano6002
    @anthonyiuculano6002 8 років тому +15

    It's funny, because Briatore had been wanted on fraud charges in Italy in the 1980s, and for scams and schemes which involved rigging card games. How they allowed this man to participate in Formula One racing at any level, knowing that he had such a history in the first place, is beyond appalling, and would never have happened in any other part of the 'real' world.

    • @aidanjohnson7571
      @aidanjohnson7571 8 років тому

      For the entirety of his career briatore has been a cheat, first at Benetton in 1994-95, and then at Renault. I'm not surprised to hear that he cheated before f1 too

    • @anthonyiuculano6002
      @anthonyiuculano6002 8 років тому

      +Aidan Johnson only F1 it would seem doesn't discriminate against a questionable background.

  • @MajorLiteral
    @MajorLiteral 12 років тому +6

    Props to Piquet. He was the one that came forward about it. Renault acted like assholes to him, so he just came out with his evidence. Takes balls to do that.

  • @kevinprior3549
    @kevinprior3549 6 років тому +5

    I find it amazing that Pat Simmons is back in F1 at Williams.

    • @sugaloaf567
      @sugaloaf567 4 місяці тому

      Fast forward to the present, and he’s Chief Technical Officer of Formula 1!

  • @JohnnyCagePro
    @JohnnyCagePro 7 років тому +22

    flavio did not get away with it this time

    • @JB73691
      @JB73691 6 років тому +1

      Yeah he's a dick head !

    • @Vylkeer
      @Vylkeer 6 років тому +1

      I don’t understand why he was the one to get banned for life though, since he only knew about the plan but didn’t take part in it, unlike that engineer.

    • @gavbrown6954
      @gavbrown6954 5 років тому +1

      He's a looser

  • @Rosvolainen
    @Rosvolainen 11 років тому +4

    You can hear in his voice that his honest opinion is something completely different. Whether he was involved in it or not, it's despicable that he won't just say it was wrong and walk away. Piquet may have agreed to doing it because he believed it might help save his career. But Alonso, a double world champion, could've gotten a drive in basicly any other team if he had walked away from Renault right when he found out.

  • @fuzzfizz
    @fuzzfizz 5 років тому +11

    the irony is, because if this, alonso's arch enemy won the title that year...

  • @gmatsue84
    @gmatsue84 7 років тому +4

    "THAT'S EH.. INTERPRETATION". Nice job, Alonso, everyone thinks you are the good guy now

  • @emmaandreou8088
    @emmaandreou8088 6 років тому +4

    Imagine, if Piquet hadn't say anything about Renault's deceive, Singapore gp 2008 would have been still considered as a clear race with a set of unbelievable situations but based on pure strategy, without frauds. People and fans would have been deceived up to now!

  • @MrAckers75
    @MrAckers75 7 років тому +89

    My Interpretation is you did not win alonso

  • @IVANGARCIA-ks4vp
    @IVANGARCIA-ks4vp 3 роки тому +6

    Hahaaa Hamilton saying that about racing battles, wheel to wheel is the funniest part of this.

    • @russian5470
      @russian5470 2 роки тому

      How?..

    • @TomH2681
      @TomH2681 Рік тому

      @@russian5470 Hamilton is always the first to jump on the radio and complain about "dangerous driving" every time someone comes within 100 feet of his car.

  • @yungvoodoo
    @yungvoodoo 6 років тому +4

    briatores reaction to piquet jrs crash is so unconvincing lol

  • @maliksallam6501
    @maliksallam6501 7 років тому +2

    Alonso's interpretation reminded me of alternative facts

  • @rockypc24
    @rockypc24 9 років тому +10

    i love how piquet got away with it he was able to restart his career in nascar and now is looking more and more likely to be in the cup series full time

    • @erniesiciliano2989
      @erniesiciliano2989 9 років тому

      +Trey Campbell Are you kidding? Even when this comment was made he didn't have a ride. He was dropped at the end of 2013.

    • @benclifford4004
      @benclifford4004 8 років тому

      +Ernie Siciliano he won the formula E world championship

    • @RacingAtHome
      @RacingAtHome 6 років тому +1

      I think it was more a 'do as we say or we'll sack you kind of deal.'

  • @PLAYSTATIONBLOKE
    @PLAYSTATIONBLOKE 11 років тому +21

    the crash happened on lap 14 or so, out of a 60 lap race so alonso still did well to lead the whole pack throughout the race

    • @Savethemanuals94
      @Savethemanuals94 Рік тому +2

      Track position. Street circuit. I’m hoping by now you understand racing in a circuit like Singapore better than you did 10 years ago

  • @trancegacy
    @trancegacy 8 років тому +6

    hamilton at that age said it ALL!!!

  • @marcusi7711
    @marcusi7711 11 років тому +2

    "are you saying that Alonso did not question his suspicious early pit stop?"
    Why would he question it if he knew about this plan?

  • @turin1
    @turin1 11 років тому +2

    You are quite right on your comment. However, Senna had a strong reason to do what he did then, in Suzuka. What had happened a year before that incident was probably a strong one. Secondly, after starting on pole, they had put him out on the dirty part of the track when every pilot knew it wasn't a fair decision.
    That could also be the reason people don't call Senna a bad sportsman.

  • @colinmunro7337
    @colinmunro7337 5 років тому +6

    How many times do you hear cheating and in the next sentence flavio briatore?

  • @Mformularacer
    @Mformularacer 9 років тому +82

    renault is a part of formula 1. any bad action on their part reflects the sport as a whole. this was clear race fixing and it should've been completely annulled. alonso should not keep his victory and no driver who participated should keep their points (write the race off the season completely) but since doing so would have meant stripping hamilton of the title it wasn't done.

    • @anthonyiuculano6002
      @anthonyiuculano6002 8 років тому

      +Mark FormulaRacer Thank you!

    • @Mformularacer
      @Mformularacer 8 років тому

      +Anthony Iuculano -for what ?

    • @anthonyiuculano6002
      @anthonyiuculano6002 8 років тому +2

      For saying it, as it needed to be said

    • @trancegacy
      @trancegacy 8 років тому

      +Mark FormulaRacer definetly it wasnt fair to do so but would be the better for the sport at the time...

    • @Mformularacer
      @Mformularacer 8 років тому +4

      +Vitor Atomik Mota - yes, one year later, stripping hamilton of the title would be completely unfair. that's why shit like this needs to be investigated. hamilton basically won the title largely thanks to the results of a scripted race.

  • @tqm6943
    @tqm6943 Рік тому

    What is the name of the background theme/music?

  • @kajwis2675
    @kajwis2675 5 років тому +2

    Ive watched this and now alonso retirement isn't so sad...

  • @RyoooPT
    @RyoooPT 7 років тому +225

    1:31 I can feel the guilt in Alonso's eyes... his body language tells all. He knew/was involved in the race fix incident.

    • @Digojaim
      @Digojaim 6 років тому +20

      For sure he knew. In 2008, as far as i remember the fuel that you qualified, you had to start the race. Fernando qualified with a small quantity of fuel witch meant that he had to stop very early on the race, fill up his petrol tank and go to the end with a set of tires.
      In the end, to make that strategy works, something had to happen and alonso isn't a dumb, he knew that something had to happen in order to make the strategy works.

    • @emmaandreou8088
      @emmaandreou8088 6 років тому +11

      Rodrigo Luiz Do you really believe what you say?Just wondering... Though he has learnt from these tough states like spy gate, crash gate, germany 2010. F1 would not had this spirit and passion of never giving up without Alonso's presence. Great driver, even greater and kind man. I don't want to believe he did it, but if, it's pretty shame for then.

    • @Digojaim
      @Digojaim 6 років тому +4

      Emma Andreou , if he is as smart as he claims, he would be at least suspicious of a very agressive strategy without a very competetive car. Don't ve folled with the thought "kind" of a driver that you see. I mean, there isn´t a kind driver. All the greatest had to be very agressive and take a lot of questionable acts. If a driver has to basically destroy his team mate to win or to looking good to fans and media, you can bet, they will.

    • @emmaandreou8088
      @emmaandreou8088 6 років тому

      Rodrigo Luiz I didn't call him a kind driver. I only said he is a kind man as a whole in his life especially the recent years. It makes me an impression that Piquet said Alonso was innocent. He would say sth if he knew, but I wonder why to "protect" Fernando... What happend has happend, he remains this maverick and passionate driver, if you think about his age and his state in the last years. I really like him as lots of people do and i will do it for a long time. Thanks for your time!

    • @Digojaim
      @Digojaim 6 років тому +2

      In recent years he knew the car he had and he had no chance to win. I mean, there are a lot of perspective we can see this, and now he is trying to get some PR over him, and i don´t see anything wrong with that.

  • @warwickbull5559
    @warwickbull5559 3 роки тому +4

    I never understood why the Renault team went through such great lengths to fix the race for Alonso, I mean he wasn't exactly fighting for a World Championship at the time, was he?

    • @tombardsley3081
      @tombardsley3081 2 роки тому +4

      Because Alonso was quick at Singapore and without the engine failure in qualifying, he would have been at least in the fight for the podium positions

  • @GM_FtblA
    @GM_FtblA 7 років тому +2

    noticed how piquet nearly hit the wall in the warm up lap on purpose so you knew something fishy was going on

  • @soberbenz1
    @soberbenz1 11 років тому +2

    Fernando is faster than you...

  • @FateHasWritersBlock
    @FateHasWritersBlock 10 років тому +16

    I still feel suspicious about Pat, so I hope there's nothing underhand going on at Williams, as they are a genuinely great team

  • @ClovissenpaiDotR
    @ClovissenpaiDotR 5 років тому +3

    Hell yeah DJ Shadow!

  • @camyhd7065
    @camyhd7065 7 років тому

    Whats the background music for this at the start

  • @reptongeek
    @reptongeek 14 років тому +1

    It should be pointed out though that although Fernando won that race through Piquet's crash there are other factors that need to be considered
    1) The race still needed winning. Fernando could easily have done a 'Kimi' and thrown it in the wall
    2) Mark Webber could have won if he didn't have a technical problem with his Red Bul

  • @bob123819
    @bob123819 12 років тому +6

    We must remember that the year before Senna did that, there was the incident where Prost and him crashed at Suzuka, in 1989. At that time, they were on the same team, Mclaren. And in Senna's defense, it looked obvious that Prost caused the accident in 1989, so he felt like he needed to get back at him. But, you're right about the fact that people do all sorts of crap in their favor - Prost and somewhat Senna.

  • @marioff3584
    @marioff3584 7 років тому +11

    1:38 BWOAH

  • @tommygriffin783
    @tommygriffin783 6 років тому

    what is the background song/music? it's stuck in my head but haven't a clue what it's called.

    • @TheRoboteer
      @TheRoboteer 4 роки тому

      DJ Shadow - Stem/Long Stem

  • @GM_FtblA
    @GM_FtblA Рік тому +1

    Whos here after the dutch grand prix?

  • @ItzAnonyms
    @ItzAnonyms 8 років тому +6

    What you guys all forget is that most of the top teams did team orders stuff similar to this and sometimes drivers did it on their own too. So stop saying Renault is a cheating team because less than 5 people were involved in that kind of cheating and not the team in itself.
    Yes i'm quite sure Alonso knew about that but you guys all forget that most of the top drivers did some very nasty moves to get a win or a championship: i am french and i love Prost but i admit he deliberately took himself out with Senna (i love him too) for the 1989 WC in the chicane, the following year Senna took Prost and himself out in the first corner in order to win the 1990 WC and he admitted it, in 1994 Schumi (i love him aswell) deliberately turned early to hit Hill causing them to retire and Schumi got the 1994 WC as a result, he tried to do the same in 1997 to Villeneuve but failed and Villeneuve won the 1997 WC and those are championship material stuff not only a race win even if it changed a lot of things...
    We all know that team orders to fix a win or a championship already happened and it will sadly remain, some are just very easy to see like Singapore 08 or Germany 10 but remember Austria 01 and 02 for example, or there is Jordan in Belgium 98 and a lot of other known or unknown shit like this that happen every year, due to team orders or deliberate actions by drivers....

  • @HAARLEM0719
    @HAARLEM0719 9 років тому +18

    Here's what i don't understand. We all know what happened now that it's been 6 years of that story, but anyway, Alonso has kept that victory. It's rubbish, i don't think it matters if he had knowledge of the whole ploy or not.. the team manufactured the win,

    • @gamefan56
      @gamefan56 9 років тому +1

      dont you think it would be unair to take a victory from him, where he had no knowledge of what his team here doing and had no input on the plan?

    • @jiaguel
      @jiaguel 9 років тому +13

      Gamefan56 yeah it would be fair if they took that victory from Alonso and from Renault

    • @gamefan56
      @gamefan56 9 років тому

      take the points from renault i would be fine with, but not the victory from Alonso. He did nothing wrong here.

    • @jiaguel
      @jiaguel 9 років тому +12

      Yes, I think it would be fair... it was winning by cheating

    • @gamefan56
      @gamefan56 9 років тому

      Israel Núñez hardly the safety car helped a bit but he had to wi the rest of the race fair and squarely.

  • @terkmadugga
    @terkmadugga 12 років тому +1

    Massa should have won the title because of this. The true 2008 world champion.

  • @VuDu4000
    @VuDu4000 13 років тому +1

    @SearchRodge I think the same. Although Alonso was a bit angry on Lewis in 2008 because how he was treated in Mclaren in 2007. But Alonso didn't really have any major conflicts with Hamilton. There is the talks about how Alonso and Hamilton didn't get along in 2007 but it was more like how Alonso and Ron Dennis didn't get along. The conflict was between them, not Alonso and Hamilton.

  • @TheJokerit19
    @TheJokerit19 2 роки тому +4

    13 years later, the next closest thing to manipulation occurs. Who could've thought, LOL?

  • @1zCF
    @1zCF 10 років тому +74

    I love how this is specifically made by the BBC to make look Alonso bad even though it's been proved multiple times that Fernando had nothing to do with anything. Pathetic.

    • @RajR96
      @RajR96 10 років тому +1

      exactly

    • @jiaguel
      @jiaguel 10 років тому +16

      Yeah of course... Alonso is always trustyworthy

    • @58teaspoon
      @58teaspoon 10 років тому +1

      typical whinging poms

    • @safarektal8380
      @safarektal8380 8 років тому +2

      It is a matter of interpretation. I don't think it made Alonso look bad.

    • @epi6581
      @epi6581 7 років тому +3

      Mikhail proved?

  • @76goncas
    @76goncas 11 років тому

    hi there. in 90 pole position was not moved, it was on the same side since 87, when Suzuka returned to the F1 calendar. there´s footage of the 88 and 89 races in the Senna movie as well, where Senna was on pole on the same side and failed both starts to Prost. the return of a favor part i agree

  • @sh-mufc
    @sh-mufc Рік тому +3

    Who else is here after today's news lol

  • @Papato1234
    @Papato1234 11 років тому

    about team orders, I really don't care how many team orders examples you could give me, in 2010 it was against the rules, and there is actually a few a VERY few times where the driver ASK the team to move the other driver out of the way. thank you for your time

  • @F1MichaelGT
    @F1MichaelGT 9 років тому +32

    A permanent mark on Alonso's career.

    • @Themayseffect
      @Themayseffect 8 років тому

      +Michael C Every world champion has been in the mist of some scandal one way or another. This is no better or worse.

    • @luismiguelrodriguezpina5122
      @luismiguelrodriguezpina5122 8 років тому +6

      First ever to win a grand prix in the night, I agree

    • @Balnazzardi
      @Balnazzardi 8 років тому +3

      +Erluismawy and what "amazing" win that was, rigged by his team-boss and manager....and he surely knew about the plan himself as well.....well luckily karma bite him back, first in Ferrari (no championships and now in Mclaren (the team is not able to fight for even wins in near future)...and Im enjoying every bit of it, deserves him right xD

    • @safarektal8380
      @safarektal8380 8 років тому +14

      Alonso didn't do anything wrong.

    • @jraybay
      @jraybay 7 років тому

      Balnazzardi LoL xD

  • @mitsosbrb1
    @mitsosbrb1 12 років тому

    2:00 song???please help!

  • @AlonsoRules
    @AlonsoRules 7 років тому +2

    Piquet did this to keep the drive for 2009, which he lost halfway through 2009 anyway.

  • @senna1979212241512
    @senna1979212241512 9 років тому +64

    i lost half my respect for Alonso after hungary 2007 i lost the other half for Alonso after Crashgate. Thank god that Vettel stoped Alonso in 2010 and 2012

    • @Vylkeer
      @Vylkeer 6 років тому

      senna1979212241512 What happened during the 2007 Hungarian GP?

    • @jjsv0527
      @jjsv0527 6 років тому +5

      Vylkeer Alonso held Hamilton up in the pit lane, denying Hamilton a chance to record a final lap time.

    • @joemannari4545
      @joemannari4545 5 років тому +1

      FanOf Seb05 Monaco 2006

    • @noobednatherium4082
      @noobednatherium4082 2 роки тому +1

      @@jjsv0527 Hamilton was just as much at fault.

    • @tombardsley3081
      @tombardsley3081 2 роки тому +3

      @@noobednatherium4082 but Alonso is the one that made it public with his frustrations in being beaten by a rookie with how he acted in USA and then with Hungary

  • @justinm.1
    @justinm.1 6 років тому +3

    Even after watching this video, I still didn't really get what the big deal was

    • @silverdarlin
      @silverdarlin 5 років тому +5

      Nelson Piquet Jr deliberately crashed his car in an attempt to fix the result of the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix, per the orders of someone within the team. This crash helped team mate Fernando Alonso win the race and an argument could be made that it cost Felipe Massa the World Championship

  • @darkstar2315
    @darkstar2315 10 років тому

    Briatore is like an Italian Mafioso lol. He is a sneaky bloke, no doubt earned his money by braking a few rules

  • @andrewshirfield
    @andrewshirfield 6 років тому +2

    I still can't believe someone would order or suggest a driver crash cos Nelson could had really hurt himself and other. I think he had pressure from the top man and as team boss u r fully responsible. Yeah was ironic that crash for Romain

  • @kkqq9347
    @kkqq9347 3 роки тому +3

    ALO THE BEST

  • @ndticorp7822
    @ndticorp7822 4 роки тому +3

    LOL- 2019 fixed the breaks. Once a cheater always a cheater.

  • @elmadi7391
    @elmadi7391 4 роки тому

    Thank you sharing .... this is worse than Schumi drama in Monaco !!!

  • @Innosos
    @Innosos 5 років тому +2

    There was a debate back in the day whether it was Piquet or Simmons?
    I know, hindsight is 20/20 but come on.

  • @manfromearth7854
    @manfromearth7854 3 роки тому +4

    1:38 bwoah

  • @emalau
    @emalau 10 років тому +4

    Massa would be an World Champion if wasn't for that... He was not only leading that race before the SC (and then we all know what happened, the pit stop problem), as if this race were bannished, he would also be the World Champion for that year... And the funny thing is that everybody praises Alonso, when he actually knew about it all and just didn't get penalized. Alonso is the kind of guy that have to praise himself to be above the others, always talking bad things about the other drivers and good things about himself.

    • @RacingAtHome
      @RacingAtHome 6 років тому +1

      So, what you're saying is that if the incident didn't happen, the fuel rig issue wouldn't happen? Have you got any evidence proving so?

  •  11 років тому

    You should know that by being a racing driver, you are under risk all the time. and if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you no longer a racing driver because we are competing, we are competing to win, and the main motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, its not to come 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th, I race to Win, as long as I feel its possible - Ayrton Senna

  • @420benton2
    @420benton2 Рік тому +1

    Massa the real F1 World Champion in 2008.

  • @norbertkocsis5945
    @norbertkocsis5945 5 років тому +3

    1:37 bwoah!

  • @Chalky.
    @Chalky. 9 років тому +4

    I love how they ask a cheater about cheating at 3:30

    • @joerock7000
      @joerock7000 9 років тому +3

      yes, brits always ask stupid questions

    • @jiaguel
      @jiaguel 9 років тому +3

      You mean at 1:27

    • @gamefan56
      @gamefan56 9 років тому +3

      you also mean 3:48?

    • @Chalky.
      @Chalky. 9 років тому

      Exactly when have Hamilton and Alonso cheated?

    • @gamefan56
      @gamefan56 9 років тому +3

      Sasquatch Hamilton lying to stewards in australia 2009

  • @ElNinoGangsta
    @ElNinoGangsta 12 років тому +1

    I doubt Alonso never knew this plan, his strategy used in that race would have been very stupid had Piquet not crashed and brought out the safety car.

  • @xBaphometHx
    @xBaphometHx 10 років тому

    Yes. Kimi will eventually point at Alonso and will say: You are the number 1 of the team.

  • @donathandorko
    @donathandorko 11 місяців тому +3

    These days, they wouldn't even need a crash to bring out a safety car. All they would need is a driver to fart on the main straight and they would red flag it.

  • @jackalfox332
    @jackalfox332 8 років тому +9

    As we all know, Renault are entering Formula 1 as a works team in 2016 for the first time since 2008. As an F1 fan through-and-through, the 'Crashgate' cheat is still fresh in the sport. People are going to say, 'Renault F1 team, this is their first season as a works team since 2008, their highlight of that year was a cheat.' No team wants to have that on their card. I still have no sympathy for them, when they put lives at risk in order to win a race, it's unforgivable.

    • @1coxheath
      @1coxheath 8 років тому +1

      +Jackal Fox They were still in the sport in 2010 your talking out of your ass mate, at the end of 2009 they sold most the company but kept a share and then sold it completely at the end of 2010

    • @jackalfox332
      @jackalfox332 8 років тому +2

      It's, 'you're', not 'your'. But hey, if I want to be pedantic I'd say Renault have been involved in the sport every since 2010.

    • @safarektal8380
      @safarektal8380 8 років тому +9

      +Jackal Fox, it was not the team that cheated. It was a couple of individuals. Get over it!

    • @raoulduke1961
      @raoulduke1961 8 років тому

      +Jackal Fox Pointing out your wrong facts isn't being pedantic you fucking idiot.

    • @RacingAtHome
      @RacingAtHome 6 років тому

      No. He's saying Renault F1 Team. They were a team until the end of 2010. Engine supplier does not count in that regard.

  • @SRAMEK
    @SRAMEK 10 років тому

    Please what's the song that starts at 1:56 called? Thank you

    • @bnmcmhn
      @bnmcmhn 10 років тому +1

      from DJ Shadow album Endtroducing

    • @SRAMEK
      @SRAMEK 10 років тому

      Ben McMahon Thank you so much

    • @eLeKTriX1317
      @eLeKTriX1317 10 років тому +1

      Darude-Sandstorm

    • @herpderp3131
      @herpderp3131 9 років тому

      DJ Sandstorm - Endarucing

    • @perareika6748
      @perareika6748 9 років тому

      SRAMEK paranoid- black sabbath

  • @Killerspaten
    @Killerspaten 11 років тому

    On a circuit where you cant overtake sure.... it was called Trulli-train for a reason.

  • @thecitizenstalkshow
    @thecitizenstalkshow 12 років тому +6

    hamiltons fault XD

  • @morgancole3121
    @morgancole3121 8 років тому +29

    Quite ironic that nico said you will always find people that do things Rubbish, look at him today in Germany with verstappen and Austria with Hamilton!

    • @Zoomer30
      @Zoomer30 8 років тому +2

      Or with Verstappen at Germany. "I was in full lock, I could not steer anymore" when it was clear from the video he did not even start to steer until he was almost off the damn track. Hilarious.

    • @valle3452
      @valle3452 7 років тому +2

      Exactly. I guess some people just see different levels of "rubbish-ness".

    • @juanvelasco5543
      @juanvelasco5543 7 років тому +2

      And how about what happend in Australia 2009 with McLaren or with BAR in 2005 hahaha

    • @Flashbax7
      @Flashbax7 7 років тому +2

      Nothing wrong with Germany, even anti-Rosberg Brundle said as much, Verstappen left himself on the outside for a gap that was never going to exist instead of braking and cutting under Rosberg so he could claim he got pushed off the track. Weird how every decision started going Verstappen's way after Heinekken started sponsoring F1 as well... Austria was Nico's corner to dictate the line as well but Hamilton decided he wasn't going to let Nico push him out as he had done to Nico so often and turned in.

    • @chrispurves5303
      @chrispurves5303 7 років тому +11

      MORGAN RACING Theres a big difference between Pushing someone wide and race fixing

  • @Papato1234
    @Papato1234 11 років тому +1

    That's true, it was the team, for what WE know but the famous "this is Ridiculous" make me rethink a lot indeed. Alonso had shown his cheater face so many times I wouldn't be surprise he had something to do with this

  • @supercooled
    @supercooled 8 років тому

    Is this the same Bob Bell that recently quit or left Marrussia?

  • @ganeshthippeswamy1108
    @ganeshthippeswamy1108 7 років тому +3

    Wow. Utterly disgusted by Alonso's response on the legitimacy of his victory. Hate to see a great team like McLaren struggle but the silver lining is that they're bringing Alonso down with them!

    • @maliksallam6501
      @maliksallam6501 7 років тому +1

      Well said

    • @RacingAtHome
      @RacingAtHome 6 років тому

      Fernando is just going by the record books on that. He'll class it as a win because it's a win.

    • @Turigemo
      @Turigemo 5 років тому

      Alonso does not deserve this situation in McLaren. Get over it. It was 10 years ago. If Alonso had anything to pay for, he did it with the lost titles in Ferrari. He became more mature with time...

  • @formulacountdown
    @formulacountdown 12 років тому +3

    Alonso had real pace that day and pulled away after he took the lead by miles. He deserved to get onto the podium if the scandal didn't happen, as he started 15th.

  • @ScotsmaninUtah
    @ScotsmaninUtah 7 років тому +1

    Flavio Briatore was also suspected of being involved in the illegal use of software to control active suspension systems at Benetton. But it could not be proved. Senna knew Benetton were cheating but Williams did not raise the issue with the FiA.
    Verstappen confirmed this later with Briatore .... :(

  • @Lynxtro
    @Lynxtro 12 років тому +1

    how can alonso have the nerve to say that? makes me sick

  • @AdzSONLINE
    @AdzSONLINE 8 років тому +4

    3:33 Sorry Nick, what was that? *Cough* Monaco 2014 *Cough cough*

    • @RacingAtHome
      @RacingAtHome 6 років тому +1

      Keep beating that dead horse.

  • @jichaelmackson1958
    @jichaelmackson1958 11 років тому +3

    Fernando's got nothing to do with it

  • @ChrisGamingNL333
    @ChrisGamingNL333 4 роки тому

    Dammmmm this video is now over 10 years old

  • @MyScuderiaFerrari
    @MyScuderiaFerrari 12 років тому

    No, but I can say that the pitstop wouldn't have been made under such stressful conditions, thus referencing to the safety car phase which made ALL the cars enter the pit. Ferrari had no other choice but to make a storming pit-stop - firstly, because they wanted to keep Massa ahead and secondly, because Raikkonen entered the pit at the same time and was losing a lot of places by waiting (and therefore losing a lot of time) directly behind Massa.

  • @TheMW2informer
    @TheMW2informer 5 років тому +6

    Alonso; once a cheater, always a cheater!

  • @ssssssssssssssssss50
    @ssssssssssssssssss50 9 років тому +13

    Nothing against Rosberg but it cracked me up that he was the first to talk about cheating and individuals doing rubbish

    • @RacingAtHome
      @RacingAtHome 6 років тому +2

      When did Rosberg cheat?

    • @blaise2833
      @blaise2833 6 років тому

      cough* Monaco 2014 cough*

  • @blargd
    @blargd 13 років тому

    I love the fact that a scheme between Piquet and Simmons/Briatore ends up with comments on how much people hate Alonso.
    It's like Spygate, a deal between a McLaren engineer and a Ferrari engineer ends up with 'God I hate Alonso' when all he did was threaten to come clean about it, I love how some peoples minds work.

    • @tombardsley3081
      @tombardsley3081 2 роки тому

      He lied about his involvement with spy gate . Hence why he got the stick for it. Plus he would have been involved in this scheme given that it was planned to benefit him in the race

  • @chrisuncleahmad
    @chrisuncleahmad 2 роки тому

    For all we remember about Brazil and the ending- this was the real reason Massa lost the title, not Glock

  • @igoriosalamonqe4706
    @igoriosalamonqe4706 9 років тому +9

    3:31 Rosberg on cheating D:

    • @jiaguel
      @jiaguel 9 років тому +6

      1:27 Alonso on cheating is even worse D: