@@Anvil35 Weber is a salty bitch, he was slower and did not deserve to win. If he was a real man he would have told the team no, lets instead go multi 12, I will let Seb pass, he deserves to win. End of story...
@@mtuz8356 Actually they were in identical cars during GP3 and F2, and Hamilton dominated him there as well winning 13/16 races in GP3, a record for that season
@@mtuz8356 No it does matter. How did Hamilton get the right and confidence to drive into a fast car? Because he has won a Championship at every level of racing, from karting to GP3 to F2 to F1. And how can talent be irrelevant?
@Joao Belo Absolutely!! I'm agree with this. I think that there were many precedents, episodes like Brazil 2012, or simply the whole 2010. Things like in Great Britain '10 with the updated front wing, or Abu Dhabi '10 where Red Bull sacrificed Webber in the strategy, despite he was ahead of Vettel in the Championship (246ALO, 238WEB, 231VET, which made Ferrari fail in the strategy), while Vettel won '10, '11 and '12 titles at that point... considering everything, In my personal opinion Malaysia '13 went beyond Webber's patience.
that wasnt his defense, that was a complaint about his team mate. he risked and accident when it was clear the overtake was going to happen. defending that aggressively at such high speeds is very dangerous, even though vettel had space, there couldve been a huge accident because of webber's aggro defending, which he presumably did because he wasnt happy that vettel disobeyed team orders by going for the overtake on the slower car in the first place.
@@pippo9830 I think a lot of it is contextual, team orders to ensure a 1-2 and make sure that the tyres can make it through to the end is different from team orders that get the lead driver to slow down and give up the place to their teammate simply because they aren't the no. 1 driver.
Vettel should have kept his distance behind Lewis.As the race leader, Hamilton had every right to block up everybody behind him. Vettel is a douche. Ok and Lewis sometimes.
If you say Vettel isn't an honest driver, who would you say is then? All of them lie constantly. It's seen as a weakness to admit your mistakes and wrongdoings in F1, and it's fucked up that it's like that.
@@joao55mx32 completely different, one is the 2nd race of the season with an early win mattering for a favorite like Seb, where in Brazil it was the second to last race with the already WDC winner refusing to give a few points to his teammate in a close race out of spite… Checo also let Max pass to attempt to overtake Alonso. Max’s reasons were far more selfish and cost the team way more.
@@joao55mx32 Its different for a few reasons: The "Multi 21" team order was a gift of victory to Webber who was significantly slower in the midst of a title fight. Seb ignored it as it was clearly bs lose through team orders when you're clearly a lot faster than your team mate. Meanwhile the team order of RedBull in Brazil 22 was exactly the same as the one made by Mercedes in Hungary 2017, the difference being is that Lewis was losing the championship to Vettel, while Max has already won the championship, but guess who showed class of a champion...
@@Mattdude411 it was childish from max, but if checo actually crashed on purpose, max anger is not unfounded in the slightest. still, max should have known better.
In The beyond the grid podcast, Christian Horner Confirmed that Sebastian did it because Mark pushed him out wide when he was trying to win the championship the year before in Brazil
Difference is that Vettel in his early years was a winner and brutal in doing so, which is how it must be in F1. Norris and most drivers nowadays care more about being friends than actually winning the championship. In no other sport does 2nd in the standings deliberately lose points. Hamilton, Verstappen, Alonso and Leclerc are elite. The rest of them will never be near a championship
Cole Trick I agree. I'm a Hamilton fan but it annoyed me when bottas was asked let Hamilton pass in Russia a couple of years ago. Although you saw Hamilton didn't want to win like that. No real driver does.
Vettel clinched 4 titles by using team orders. He finally got exposed when other cars became more competitive and his only rival wasn't one slower dude.
That was "only' for 2nd at the time it happened, as Hamilton's car failure happened after it.. I think especially Verstappen would have been more ruthless trying to overtake Ricciardo if he knew it was for a win.. But they did not know so they let each other live like good teammates and Max let Daniel go without pushing him to hard (of the track etc like they like to do when racing really hard)..
I can't understand. 2013 all people were against vettel because he did not listen the team orders. 2019 all people are against vettel because leclerc was given team orders. Are you people against team orders or against vettel?
Seriously? Webber was in first, they had a one two in the bag, and he was going slow to preserve the car, all they had to do was no race and bring them home and it would be the best for the team. Instead Vettel put them both at risk. In Australia they wernt first they were 4 and 5, Charles was faster than Vettel and he should have been aloud to go in front as he stood a chance of overtaking max and getting more points as Vettel coulnt. The diffrence is there was nothing to gain for the team in this race just alot more risk, but in Australia there were tons of points to gain.
James Feguson no mate. Leclerc would never have reached max. Vettel just wanted to win. Leclerc wanted 4th place? No. Red bull 2013 would have 1-2 even if they let them race (just like it happened) and Ferrari would have 4-5. Are you against team orders or against Sebastian? Seb went for the win and Charles for 4th place...
His last chance? at what? Showing he can match Lewis in, like, 20% of the races and has no chance at winning the Championship? Yeah, i think he showed that often enough.
@@darkpinktv6721 lol are you blind or sometime untill 2009 Webber was main focus of the team despite being vettel young and previously more successful , but when vettel finished P2 just 14 points less then JB in 2009 he became no 1 driver
the red bull team were always against webber from the start, when vettel cut across and hit webber they blamed webber in the race where webbers tyre came off and hit a cameraman, webber was about to inherit the lead because vettel was being held up, all he needed to do was stay out in clear air and he would do it, red bull pit him to stop him back to 2010 they tried to stop the korean gp because of bad light right at the moment vettel would score full points, but having everybody score half points would be better for red bull overall except also better for webber, if they wanted the best result they should have campaigned for bad light 20 minutes earlier also in 2010 they switched the front wing from webber to vettel and created excuses when webber won 2 races in a row, they found some sort of defect in vettels car and released the report to the media to explain why that happened
@@MrRodzilla No, in 2010 they gave Seb Mark's front wing as it was a different specification that Mark already said he won't use as it didn't suit him.
@@MrRodzilla2010 Turkey was Webbers fault. Vettel was in front when he moved across and he only followed the racing line to open the corner entry. Mark thought he could control Vettels line even though he was behind and that’s why he was blamed. Webber had no reliability issues in 2010, Vettel lost 3 wins due to reliability issues and you want to talk about favoritism 😂. Webber only lost because he kept crashing out. Even in Korea he crashed out after Vettel retired from the lead due to an engine issue. Webber disobeyed team orders in 2011, 2012. But when Vettel does it suddenly him and his hypocritical fanboys act like that’s unacceptable 🤣
Vettel disobeyed orders, Webber almost made him a sticker on the main straight's wall. That was also the race where Merc decided they would forever favour Lewis, even if his teammate was quicker. I really enjoyed watching that race. I really miss Sepang.
@@leadmaster537 I'd much rather you enjoy this amazing sport and judge everything by yourself without having to listen to other F1 fans, as it can get very toxic, but since you asked, I was referring to an incident in which Merc forbade Rosberg to pass Lewis in the closing stages of the race, even though Nicowas faster and had been with the team for much longer than Lewis and had even beaten MSC as his teammate. There was no other reason for the team orders other than their decision to make Lewis their preferred driver, even if that was his first year with the team after having ditched McLaren at the end of 2012.
What nonsense... Brawn said hold station. The next year if their was any favour shown it was to Nico. Look at Hungry 2014 when Lewis could have won from the pit lane but was handicapped by a Mercedes strategy designed to help Nico.
As I always said, Vettel should be the last person to ask for a position back nowadays. He has morals now because he’s in a bad car, stop defending him because y’all are being hypocrites doing that
@@Tracertme vettel would be exactly like today back then if there was no blown diffussor! he knew the trick how to drive the NEWEY BLOWN DIFFUSSOR! thats it! without that artificial help, clearly not a natural talent like hamilton or alonso!
I think it's just how he did it. He overtook with the "faster engine mapping" while Webber changed to a "slow map", per order. If he obeyed the map change and still did it, I personally would've be less mad. And also the back-pedaling
@@a006delta Plus, Webber was on the hardest tyres because he went for the safe strategy and not the fastest, thinking he wouldn't have to race his teamate.
I have huge respect for Webber, but knowing Vettel as he did, why would he think that Seb should obey team orders? I would have pushed and created a gap...
vettel loves team orders..... when he is driving for ferrari. raikkonen would have won in hungary, but team orders. i wonder if vettel would be cool if raikkonen had done the same thing he did.
Pedro Pereira it usually for the driver championship reasons. If the team feels that webber needs the point more than vettel especially its its very late into the championship and webber is in a better place of winning the championship, they may ask vettel to hold back because webber needs the points more
Mark had discussed retiring after this season with the team and seb knew that he was on his way out. This was a way for mark to cement his first win of the season and that sentiment was felt around the globe especially when seb overtook him. It looked bad and it left everyone bewildered at why seb would risk his whole season instead of let his team mate have one win. Think Ricky Bobby and cal naughtin jr.
Webber disobeyed team orders previously (against Vettel). Also Webber almost cost Vettel the 2012 championship. But Vettel never said anything publicly about these events. On the contrary, Webber made such a big fuss about Multi 21 and threw accusations towards both Vettel and RB on the podium, which caused the whole thing to escalate. And still Vettel kept his mouth shut and was respectful. This shows the difference in class between the two drivers.
@@rajaditya707 During the last race of the season, not only Webber didn't help him but instead he pinched him at the start and in the first corner. Vettel had to lift, lost places and then he was spun around in the midfield. He was very angry with his teammate (as Horner explained years later).
@@geso101 pinched him? How can he pinch him if Vettel wasn't even at the corner? What a sour excuse it was from someone that was used to get the preferable treatment
Ummmm, I am not the only one back here after Brazil 2022. Maybe it is RB 1st drivers personality, not giving up anything, even to your teammate. That makes them wins, but also looks too selfish. Although I am a fan of both Seb and Max, it is still pains for me to watch history repeat itself. Hope Max can glow up after this.
I am sure at it‘s time it was a pretty amazing and exciting race to watch, just because of what Seb did and that’s the true spirit of the racing and all drivers should have it!!!
I was thinking the same. A true Driver/Champion will never agree to drive slower, and give the Win away. In some way this is Sport. And it would not be Sport, if you would say. "Come on man, drive slower and let the other Guy win. He deserve to win one Race to" Mark had all the Chances to fight against Seb, and overtake him back.
Fun story: my father bought tickets for this race and we were ready to go to malaysia but my mother's passport expired and didn't have enough time, kinda dissapointing, we still went to legoland tho, still a good trip
If Red Bull told Webber" we have told Seb not to over take u" You will finish 1-2. That's when Webber let off his guard. And fucking Seb kept attacking Webber If Webber can go fast and win the race only was told by the team to slow down bcos the driver behind is your teammate. But the teammate did otherwise. If the team let the Drivers race it out. Webber could have won the race
I haven't seen that clip, but was it like this? Because here, I find Seb doing nothing wrong except being a racer. If Mark couldn't pass him in identical equipment, that's really on him.
LarryJoe I know, but the "boss" (to call Horner in some way) told him not to do it several times, idk, I find it a bit disrespectful from Vettel. BUT, I've never liked the team orders so is really nice see teammates battle for p1
Lando could've done exactly what Seb did here but sadly McLaren were more worried about the backlash on social media than points for the championship. And its nowhere near his fault had he gone on and won the race coz the team put both of them in an awkward situation
difference, Vettel was faster, meanwhile McLaren tried to sneak Norris ahead with an excuse to be safe from an undercut, same for Russia 2019, where Vettel overtook Leclerc fair and square on track
What i like to do is imagine yourself in this situation, if you had an easy chance to take another win for the records and the trophy cabinet, why wouldnt you
Each driver is there to win. I actually admire Seb's tenacity and drive to win. That's the whole point of racing. No driver likes it when told to hold position.
@@Truethh there were a lot of factors at that point, they were far ahead of the rest of the pack so they were told to stop pushing, switch to a weaker engine mapping to save engine, and conserve tires. Webber obeyed but Vettel didn't so he overtook him with basically a stronger engine mapping and softer tires (webber was running hard tires iirc). So basically vettel took advantage of webber obeying not to race him. also at this point webber had obeyed team orders multiple time to let vettel through, Red Bull (and Mercs too during Bottas's time) tend to be really aggressive with team orders. So that was unfair towards Webber too :/
Not really, he had fastest car on the grid and a teammate who was 10yrs older than him. Got outclassed by Ricciardo in 2014 and would lose to Hamilton, Alonso and verstappen in equal machinery
Idiots, a race driver never give up a position. This video made me feel proud of Sebastian. No matter the team reasons for saying a driver to retire a fight
Thar was a payback for Brazil 2012 where Vettel nearly lost the WDC title because Weber blocked him quite intentionally at the start, made him loose several places, which eventually lead him into spin with midfielder.
Somewhere in this mess of 2010-2013 RBR is the fact that everyone wanted Webber to win for some reason, despite him not actually being all that fast. Consistently out qualified and out raced by Seb, also an angry fucker, also just really a negative attitude most of the time, but everyone loved him for some reason.
It's not "reasons". It's perfectly understandable for the team to not want their drivers to fight in order to avoid a crash and get maximum WCC points (that's all that matters, since WCC position is what pays the bills)
@Shubham Tiwari yes you're right, but it's still orders you should obey. If you're being told "Multi 21" and it means staying behind your teammate to finish 2nd, that's what you do. They're still your boss
@@thedonsz9186 that Team order was unfair in the first place, tell me, why you would give a order to a driver who is more faster than his Team mate and gave you your 3 wcc at that point, if you want to be the 1,be more faster than your Team mate,dont try to make problems, and for the webber fans,remember brazil 2012...
@@jeanpierredapremontarellan830 the problem is not if it was fair or not, the problem is that the order he got wasn't obeyed. Even if Seb was the faster man on track, he has to obey the Multi 21 order and I totally understand Mark's anger. If it would've been the other way around it would probably have been a much bigger problem. And also, it was early in the season
*_"i was racing, I was faster, I passed him, I won"_* - S. Vettel 2013
he's damn right man that's true racing stallorders are illegal
Zeronality EXACTLY
The 1-2 was wrapped up and got the call to put the engine down and Vettel went on a charge
His fanboys forget that
@@Anvil35 Weber is a salty bitch, he was slower and did not deserve to win. If he was a real man he would have told the team no, lets instead go multi 12, I will let Seb pass, he deserves to win. End of story...
@@AppleLauda_destroyer99942 not true racing, Redbull turned down mark's engine to preserves it for future races.
@@SupremeGrandmasterAzrael Dumb fool. :P
2013: Doesnt obey team orders
2017: Obeys team orders
2020: HE IS ZE TEAM ORDERS!!!!
The strategist
The driver, the strategist, the engineer
The driver,the strategist,the engineer and the Marshall
The driver,the strategist,the engineer,the marshal,the team principal, the car, the track
The mechanic
Webber: Drinking Red Bull to promote his team.
Vettel: W A T E R
Of corse he isnt drinking Redbull, he was drinking water out of a Redbull cup
it was Red Bull cup with water
A G U A
AGUA
W A S S E R
I strongly believe that this episode was crucial in Mark Webber's retirement at the end of 2013.
@reelkena you think seb is faster than lewis? Hahahahahhaahha
@@mtuz8356 Actually they were in identical cars during GP3 and F2, and Hamilton dominated him there as well winning 13/16 races in GP3, a record for that season
@@mtuz8356 No it does matter. How did Hamilton get the right and confidence to drive into a fast car? Because he has won a Championship at every level of racing, from karting to GP3 to F2 to F1.
And how can talent be irrelevant?
@@Eltamin maybe not...but he is definitely better at developing and understanding the cars...simple as that.
@Joao Belo Absolutely!! I'm agree with this. I think that there were many precedents, episodes like Brazil 2012, or simply the whole 2010. Things like in Great Britain '10 with the updated front wing, or Abu Dhabi '10 where Red Bull sacrificed Webber in the strategy, despite he was ahead of Vettel in the Championship (246ALO, 238WEB, 231VET, which made Ferrari fail in the strategy), while Vettel won '10, '11 and '12 titles at that point... considering everything, In my personal opinion Malaysia '13 went beyond Webber's patience.
Now there is a new code...This is James!
ahahahaha.. we found the salty Ferrari fan
"Wash Lewis car before heading out the weekend will you?“
Get there Lewis!
@@deanc8889 he's just pointing out the facts and you go with your ad hominem lmaoo
@@deanc8889 now, this is really really relevant
I just love how he uses the defence of someone who just murdered someone with an axe.
"I WAS REALLY SCARED!!!! HE JUST CAME RIGHT AT ME!!!!"
that wasnt his defense, that was a complaint about his team mate. he risked and accident when it was clear the overtake was going to happen. defending that aggressively at such high speeds is very dangerous, even though vettel had space, there couldve been a huge accident because of webber's aggro defending, which he presumably did because he wasnt happy that vettel disobeyed team orders by going for the overtake on the slower car in the first place.
@@oceso hahaha go on.
@@oceso Sounds like a burglar complaining about getting aggressively threatened by the people living in the house he just broke into.
@@oceso Vettel was told NOT to overtake, so it doesn't matter how Webber defended.
>2013
BOOO, HE DIDN'T OBEY TEAM ORDERS
>2017+
BOOO HE DID OBEY TEAM ORDERS
@@pippo9830 I think a lot of it is contextual, team orders to ensure a 1-2 and make sure that the tyres can make it through to the end is different from team orders that get the lead driver to slow down and give up the place to their teammate simply because they aren't the no. 1 driver.
@@rsh650 I wouldn't believe it, I got 56 likes already
Then thats not a coincidence ;)
Completely different situation
There are never 2 identical situations in F1
"I didn't mean to"? It looked like a pretty conscious move to me.
Honestly?
pluckyplatypus Hamilton brake checked vettel....
Theblahblahgames Hope you're trolling.
Vettel should have kept his distance behind Lewis.As the race leader, Hamilton had every right to block up everybody behind him. Vettel is a douche. Ok and Lewis sometimes.
If you say Vettel isn't an honest driver, who would you say is then? All of them lie constantly. It's seen as a weakness to admit your mistakes and wrongdoings in F1, and it's fucked up that it's like that.
Who's here after Max not obeying team orders with Perez
Exactly the same case
@@joao55mx32 completely different, one is the 2nd race of the season with an early win mattering for a favorite like Seb, where in Brazil it was the second to last race with the already WDC winner refusing to give a few points to his teammate in a close race out of spite… Checo also let Max pass to attempt to overtake Alonso. Max’s reasons were far more selfish and cost the team way more.
@@joao55mx32 Its different for a few reasons:
The "Multi 21" team order was a gift of victory to Webber who was significantly slower in the midst of a title fight. Seb ignored it as it was clearly bs lose through team orders when you're clearly a lot faster than your team mate. Meanwhile the team order of RedBull in Brazil 22 was exactly the same as the one made by Mercedes in Hungary 2017, the difference being is that Lewis was losing the championship to Vettel, while Max has already won the championship, but guess who showed class of a champion...
@@Mattdude411 it was childish from max, but if checo actually crashed on purpose, max anger is not unfounded in the slightest. still, max should have known better.
🖐🖐
In The beyond the grid podcast, Christian Horner Confirmed that Sebastian did it because Mark pushed him out wide when he was trying to win the championship the year before in Brazil
so it’s just a kind of “revenge” after all. like max and checo in monaco and brazil 2022
2013 - Seb vs Mark
2024 - Lando vs Oscar(his manager is Mark too)
Very timely comment after what happened at Monza
Difference is that Vettel in his early years was a winner and brutal in doing so, which is how it must be in F1. Norris and most drivers nowadays care more about being friends than actually winning the championship. In no other sport does 2nd in the standings deliberately lose points. Hamilton, Verstappen, Alonso and Leclerc are elite. The rest of them will never be near a championship
No one should be given a win by team orders
Cole this is James, welcome to F1 where Fernando is faster than you.
But isn't it a racing team?
Did you see Turkey 2010?
Cole Trick I agree. I'm a Hamilton fan but it annoyed me when bottas was asked let Hamilton pass in Russia a couple of years ago. Although you saw Hamilton didn't want to win like that. No real driver does.
Vettel clinched 4 titles by using team orders. He finally got exposed when other cars became more competitive and his only rival wasn't one slower dude.
3 years later:
2016
Ricciardo and Verstappen
That was "only' for 2nd at the time it happened, as Hamilton's car failure happened after it.. I think especially Verstappen would have been more ruthless trying to overtake Ricciardo if he knew it was for a win.. But they did not know so they let each other live like good teammates and Max let Daniel go without pushing him to hard (of the track etc like they like to do when racing really hard)..
what happened with Ric and Ver?
Max is to fast to drive in any team its silly
@@jans1136 natural talent mate. Its in his genes
@@hammyjammy 100%
UA-cam algorithm has a sick sense of humor
Wym
and lewis is always there
Papaya algorithm
@@Upthesteve Imagine Monster Energy making a papaya flavour and calling it Multi 21 😂😂 the choice of James
Here after Piastri and Norris in Hungary 2024
Same
Here after Piastri and Norris in Monza 2024
I can't understand. 2013 all people were against vettel because he did not listen the team orders. 2019 all people are against vettel because leclerc was given team orders.
Are you people against team orders or against vettel?
so true
Seriously? Webber was in first, they had a one two in the bag, and he was going slow to preserve the car, all they had to do was no race and bring them home and it would be the best for the team. Instead Vettel put them both at risk. In Australia they wernt first they were 4 and 5, Charles was faster than Vettel and he should have been aloud to go in front as he stood a chance of overtaking max and getting more points as Vettel coulnt. The diffrence is there was nothing to gain for the team in this race just alot more risk, but in Australia there were tons of points to gain.
@@jamesfeguson3445 They had 4-5 in the bag in Australia
@@jamesfeguson3445 and also he matched schmi s wins of 13 records with this win. Shows if u r not selfhish as a racing driver u achieve nothing
James Feguson no mate. Leclerc would never have reached max. Vettel just wanted to win. Leclerc wanted 4th place? No. Red bull 2013 would have 1-2 even if they let them race (just like it happened) and Ferrari would have 4-5. Are you against team orders or against Sebastian? Seb went for the win and Charles for 4th place...
Bottas needs to do exactly this, this year is most probably his last chance in championship winning car.
F1 has so many expert fans eh, when are you starting your career with a team pal
@@TheEvilCheesecake guess what happened
His last chance? at what? Showing he can match Lewis in, like, 20% of the races and has no chance at winning the Championship? Yeah, i think he showed that often enough.
@@DarthDose because his mistreatment at merc killed his confidence all for their spoilt brat of a star driver
@@trickyourlife4978nothing happened, he lost his contract and never got near of the championship
"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver."
"If you go for a gap that no longer exists you are Pastor Maldonado."
Ayrton Senna 👊
@@Furry_WhitePoint someone give him an award
@@darkpinktv6721 lol are you blind or sometime untill 2009 Webber was main focus of the team despite being vettel young and previously more successful , but when vettel finished P2 just 14 points less then JB in 2009 he became no 1 driver
Bro, I just posted the exact same thing before reading your comment.
Horner recently revealed this was payback from Vettel from the Brazilian 2012 GP when webber didn't let him by comfortably.
richboy900 DAMN
the red bull team were always against webber from the start, when vettel cut across and hit webber they blamed webber
in the race where webbers tyre came off and hit a cameraman, webber was about to inherit the lead because vettel was being held up, all he needed to do was stay out in clear air and he would do it, red bull pit him to stop him
back to 2010 they tried to stop the korean gp because of bad light right at the moment vettel would score full points, but having everybody score half points would be better for red bull overall except also better for webber, if they wanted the best result they should have campaigned for bad light 20 minutes earlier
also in 2010 they switched the front wing from webber to vettel and created excuses when webber won 2 races in a row, they found some sort of defect in vettels car and released the report to the media to explain why that happened
@@MrRodzilla No, in 2010 they gave Seb Mark's front wing as it was a different specification that Mark already said he won't use as it didn't suit him.
he wanted to win and found some bs excuse, I always found him a hypocrite and stroll is giving him some of his own medicine
@@MrRodzilla2010 Turkey was Webbers fault. Vettel was in front when he moved across and he only followed the racing line to open the corner entry. Mark thought he could control Vettels line even though he was behind and that’s why he was blamed.
Webber had no reliability issues in 2010, Vettel lost 3 wins due to reliability issues and you want to talk about favoritism 😂. Webber only lost because he kept crashing out.
Even in Korea he crashed out after Vettel retired from the lead due to an engine issue.
Webber disobeyed team orders in 2011, 2012. But when Vettel does it suddenly him and his hypocritical fanboys act like that’s unacceptable 🤣
Vettel disobeyed orders, Webber almost made him a sticker on the main straight's wall. That was also the race where Merc decided they would forever favour Lewis, even if his teammate was quicker. I really enjoyed watching that race. I really miss Sepang.
what do you mean merc would forever favor lewis? i just got into F1 recently and lots of these infos i still don't know
At Sepang aways happens Crazy things It doesnt matter If its F1 or MotoGP It will be a great Race or would cause SIC is no longer at f1
@@leadmaster537 I'd much rather you enjoy this amazing sport and judge everything by yourself without having to listen to other F1 fans, as it can get very toxic, but since you asked, I was referring to an incident in which Merc forbade Rosberg to pass Lewis in the closing stages of the race, even though Nicowas faster and had been with the team for much longer than Lewis and had even beaten MSC as his teammate. There was no other reason for the team orders other than their decision to make Lewis their preferred driver, even if that was his first year with the team after having ditched McLaren at the end of 2012.
What nonsense... Brawn said hold station. The next year if their was any favour shown it was to Nico. Look at Hungry 2014 when Lewis could have won from the pit lane but was handicapped by a Mercedes strategy designed to help Nico.
They definitely picke Hamilton because of his massive marketing and media influence
"I didn't mean to" Yeah Seb, you overtook Mark by accident, lol.
UnimatrixOne bro chill out being competitive is good.
UnimatrixOne you replacing the s with $ tells how old you are
Jeremy clarkson "He heard everything apart from the 'don't'"
@@richboy900 Clarkson is a racist pillock.
As I always said, Vettel should be the last person to ask for a position back nowadays. He has morals now because he’s in a bad car, stop defending him because y’all are being hypocrites doing that
Who is here after the 2019 Russian GP? Multi 21 1.5
@Curtis Riceman and he was quicker in both occurrences...
Exactly..... the only difference this time is Charles will have his day, he is still learning... and clearly is a lot faster than Seb of today.
@@Tracertme vettel would be exactly like today back then if there was no blown diffussor! he knew the trick how to drive the NEWEY BLOWN DIFFUSSOR! thats it! without that artificial help, clearly not a natural talent like hamilton or alonso!
Yea me
Ismahim_7 what the fuck are you on about
I still love how his eyes went 👀 at 00:55😂
Lando just saved his reputation
1:54 Seb drinking Webber's tears.
Victor with mad intentions. 😅
Tears are good for you.
Lewis Walsham You want him inside you ya?
They taste so salty.
and seb is still to win a WC without RB. HAHA never gonna happen. Multi 21 is going to be his biggest Karma fuck
I don't see why everyone hated seb for this so much, everyone talks about how much they hate team orders except when they don't hate them
I think it's just how he did it. He overtook with the "faster engine mapping" while Webber changed to a "slow map", per order. If he obeyed the map change and still did it, I personally would've be less mad.
And also the back-pedaling
I know they aren't engine map orders but still, that's where the anger comes from, I think
@@a006delta Plus, Webber was on the hardest tyres because he went for the safe strategy and not the fastest, thinking he wouldn't have to race his teamate.
It would've been fair game if mark didn't do the Multi 21 setting.. then mark would've easily won
Amritabha Chakraborty it doesn't matter if they were teammates. They were still competing. And ultimately he went on to win the 2013 wdc.
Back here from Oscar and Lando Hungarian 2024 💀💀
I have huge respect for Webber, but knowing Vettel as he did, why would he think that Seb should obey team orders? I would have pushed and created a gap...
His tires are older and worn so he couldn't push
honestly if Seb had the pace to overtake Webber and saty ahead of him why didthe team say to stay behind him?? I still don't understand...
vettel loves team orders..... when he is driving for ferrari. raikkonen would have won in hungary, but team orders. i wonder if vettel would be cool if raikkonen had done the same thing he did.
Pedro Pereira it usually for the driver championship reasons. If the team feels that webber needs the point more than vettel especially its its very late into the championship and webber is in a better place of winning the championship, they may ask vettel to hold back because webber needs the points more
pluckyplatypus loved the way you put that- ' morally bankrupt'👌🏽
Revisiting this after Brasil 2022
same
me too
Mark had discussed retiring after this season with the team and seb knew that he was on his way out. This was a way for mark to cement his first win of the season and that sentiment was felt around the globe especially when seb overtook him. It looked bad and it left everyone bewildered at why seb would risk his whole season instead of let his team mate have one win. Think Ricky Bobby and cal naughtin jr.
Webber disobeyed team orders previously (against Vettel). Also Webber almost cost Vettel the 2012 championship. But Vettel never said anything publicly about these events. On the contrary, Webber made such a big fuss about Multi 21 and threw accusations towards both Vettel and RB on the podium, which caused the whole thing to escalate. And still Vettel kept his mouth shut and was respectful.
This shows the difference in class between the two drivers.
Haven't wathched the 2012 season completely. Can you explain how did Webber almost cost him the championship? Really curious
When you are the favoured driver in an F1 team, it is easy to keep quiet. It is naive people like you who I hope will never do well in life.
@@rajaditya707 During the last race of the season, not only Webber didn't help him but instead he pinched him at the start and in the first corner. Vettel had to lift, lost places and then he was spun around in the midfield. He was very angry with his teammate (as Horner explained years later).
Why would vettel complain in 2012 when he win the championship anyway? dingus
@@geso101 pinched him? How can he pinch him if Vettel wasn't even at the corner? What a sour excuse it was from someone that was used to get the preferable treatment
Came here after the 2019 Russian GP aka Multi 21 2 electric boogaloo.
Ayy yo, here we go again in 2024!
“Mark maintain the gap” -> Mark refuses -> boo Red Bull!! Crucify!!
“Multi 21 Seb” -> Seb refuses -> boo Seb!! Crucify!!
asking Seb to drive behind Mark in second is like slapping his face, when he know he is quicker and can win LOL
Who’s here after Piastri-Norris?
Not bad for a number 2 driver
Ben he was still number 2 after 3 straight championships?
I remember how Mercedes held Rosberg on 4th place for Hamilton's podium. That was too shame.
they needed point more than a vet-web situation that would have end up in a crash
Mid Noob1 not necessarily
nPriSt Rosberg could not make the overtake stick hence Mercedes ordered him to stay put.
AttackOnTitanMode rosberg was definitly faster at this point, but he choosed to obey team orders
Mid Noob1 No he was not, otherwise he could made the overtake stick.
I think we had another Multi 21 incident in today race
You have to watch the final laps of British GP - 2011 and especially start of Brazilian GP - 2012 to understand why Vettel did what he did.
2013 / 2022
Different year, different drivers, different racetrack, same team and story
Different story, in 2022 max already lock the title, no reason for him to not obey team order
@@maztganteng_channel there was no way vettel would lose the title at that point, but you’re right i guess
@@ReprogrammedToHate it was the 2. race of the year mate lol
@@ReprogrammedToHate no way? Everyone still doesn't know that Seb would dominate the second part of the season
Absolutely not the same story lol
Ummmm, I am not the only one back here after Brazil 2022.
Maybe it is RB 1st drivers personality, not giving up anything, even to your teammate.
That makes them wins, but also looks too selfish.
Although I am a fan of both Seb and Max, it is still pains for me to watch history repeat itself.
Hope Max can glow up after this.
Agreed. Fan of them both, but disappointed with today's decision. And this decision years ago.
Hats off to you seb and thanks for funny and great memories like this
Coming back to this after the Max + Checo brazil meltdown...
Who after Russia 2019? Sebastian "no team order when im faster" Vettel
He has been like this
Hopefully Ferrari dump Vettel
Vettel self entitled cry baby
@@robertturtle in all fairness, Charles was the 1 crying.
@@xtremebhp9256 Well, he had the right to call for something that was arranged before the race. Vettel was the one, who was selfish.
I am sure at it‘s time it was a pretty amazing and exciting race to watch, just because of what Seb did and that’s the true spirit of the racing and all drivers should have it!!!
I was thinking the same.
A true Driver/Champion will never agree to drive slower, and give the Win away.
In some way this is Sport.
And it would not be Sport, if you would say. "Come on man, drive slower and let the other Guy win. He deserve to win one Race to"
Mark had all the Chances to fight against Seb, and overtake him back.
@@kallo182 given how many races team orders won for Michael Schumacher & Lewis Hamilton, i guess you dont like either of them too
@@kallo182 Contracts exist though...
If a driver you don’t like did that you would throw a fit in these coments, stop being hypocrites and admit he was a complete douchbag that day
Fun story: my father bought tickets for this race and we were ready to go to malaysia but my mother's passport expired and didn't have enough time, kinda dissapointing, we still went to legoland tho, still a good trip
Idk what legoland has to do with this but that’s an awesome fact
aye legoland is cool too
@@antoniolobato6115 There's a Legoland in Malaysia.
Haha what a cool story 😂 hope you had fun at Legoland 💪
rat kids first world problems, wow.
That's how F1 and racing should be.
Who is here after Brazil GP 2022?
Wow, funny how responsive Bottas' brakes are when Hamilton is behind him
Kinda wish Seb said “It feels like a sunday drive in my old golf” or something over the radio
Honestly what are we doing. Racing or following team orders?
Sebastian ''Honestly'' vettel
Koullex 😂😂
If Red Bull told Webber" we have told Seb not to over take u" You will finish 1-2.
That's when Webber let off his guard.
And fucking Seb kept attacking Webber
If Webber can go fast and win the race only was told by the team to slow down bcos the driver
behind is your teammate.
But the teammate did otherwise.
If the team let the Drivers race it out.
Webber could have won the race
Avikar Sewpersad shut the fuck up
Minh Le You for real😂. Can't see the joke. If you can't, Shut the fuck up and get a life😂.
Who's here after Piastri and Norris in Hungary 2024?
Me
Who else is here after Max didnt let Checo pass at Interlagos 2022
me
I haven't seen that clip, but was it like this? Because here, I find Seb doing nothing wrong except being a racer. If Mark couldn't pass him in identical equipment, that's really on him.
History is repeating itself. The only weakness of RedBull is this multi-21 order. Can't save an empire that crumbles from within
@@sairamr6886 Crumbling= winning WDC?
best team order debacle of the season that
Come on, this is what make racing so fun to watch, more of this please!
The way Webber almost hit him at the end lol
history just repeated itself with max and checo
F1 fans 6 years ago : we don't want these V8s , they sound bad...
FIA : Hold my beer..!!
V8s still sound like shit compared to the V10s
Yeah, but atleast they were better than these 1.6L TT V6s..
M Hamza Tarteel 8BP Enyoy 2018 with Halo and fart sounding engines
Saturday Madness Welp...To Formula E we go!
Matthew Panini WHAAAAT?!?!?!?! Some V8 sounds better than the V10...
Seb really wanted to be F1 super villain back then haha
He ended up a super hero
2022: But if you close your eyes...
Guys, please upload a moment when Lewis pitted in to the wrong garage. Still the same year, 2013... 😂 That's still memorable 😂
Tegar Hidayatullah yeyeey ik
It's somewhere on their youtube.
Why mention Lewis? Why not just go search the video haha
Banginyermamsince93 It will be good if the official account upload it. It's a funny side of this sport 😏
He's obviously a HAM fan, are you surprised his brain did not conceive of the ability to search for it? I am not.
Opel corsa for sale
Nobite he was fighting for the championship, he had all the reasons to overtake Mark
LarryJoe I know, but the "boss" (to call Horner in some way) told him not to do it several times, idk, I find it a bit disrespectful from Vettel.
BUT, I've never liked the team orders so is really nice see teammates battle for p1
Nobite yeah, I agree
LarryJoe this was very early in the championship, too early to even think about the title
nah, actually he took back the apology... heard it from wiki?
Lando could've done exactly what Seb did here but sadly McLaren were more worried about the backlash on social media than points for the championship. And its nowhere near his fault had he gone on and won the race coz the team put both of them in an awkward situation
2024 Hungarian GP, some things never change in F1.
Who’s here after Brazil GP 22 👀 ?
Webber and Vettel: *arguing in the cool down room*
Hamilton: *comes in and thinks* ok ill leave them to it
Me: 😂
When teammates were actually rivals
Mark....:"multi 21 ...yup"......
Vettel...: "GLUGGLUGLUGGLUGGG...!!!"
0:50 One of THE tightest no-touch passes EVER! 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱
You don´t show the Alonso´s crash. This is so important in the race.
Diego J. I love Alonso but i hate vettel
this video focus on webber and vettel
this video is all about Webber and Vettel. No need to show that crash
Diego J. This Moment, when you realize that Alonsos Crash happend already 4 years ago...
Time goes by...
not sure, but i think he provoked a sc which was webbers way to the front
No, this is NOT same as Max-Checo.
This was the beginning of championship and fight for P1.
Max had already won and had nothing to gain from P6!
So vettel costed Webber more points than Max costed Perez
yes it is
This is much worse than the Sao Paolo GP
@@jeremydobbs6882 This was at the beginning of the season. Max had the championship won when the incident between him and Checo occured
2013: hey seb 21 pls
2017-2020 hey Valteri its james
here after the 2024 Hungarian grand prix with Lando very close to repeating a Vettel xd
difference, Vettel was faster, meanwhile McLaren tried to sneak Norris ahead with an excuse to be safe from an undercut, same for Russia 2019, where Vettel overtook Leclerc fair and square on track
What i like to do is imagine yourself in this situation, if you had an easy chance to take another win for the records and the trophy cabinet, why wouldnt you
I came here from Sochi 2019 :)
Each driver is there to win. I actually admire Seb's tenacity and drive to win. That's the whole point of racing. No driver likes it when told to hold position.
you have no idea of what you're talking lol
@@leart78 i didn't understand the team order, was Vettel just supposed to shut up and let him win, isn't the whole point of racing winning?
@@Truethh there were a lot of factors at that point, they were far ahead of the rest of the pack so they were told to stop pushing, switch to a weaker engine mapping to save engine, and conserve tires. Webber obeyed but Vettel didn't so he overtook him with basically a stronger engine mapping and softer tires (webber was running hard tires iirc). So basically vettel took advantage of webber obeying not to race him.
also at this point webber had obeyed team orders multiple time to let vettel through, Red Bull (and Mercs too during Bottas's time) tend to be really aggressive with team orders. So that was unfair towards Webber too :/
F1 is Motorsport, we shouldn't forget it guys!
Vettel is a Racing driver and his job is to win.
Valteri it's james
We're back here because of Max's Multi 21 moment in Sao Paolo aren't we?
Finally someone from the present.
I am sorry Lando but this is how you win world championships.
McLaren put him in that tough position 🤦♂️
best battle and overtake ever
Why was he crying when he said he was scared on the radio 😂😂😂
This shows how badass vettel was back in his prime
Peak *, vettel never had a prime
Not really, he had fastest car on the grid and a teammate who was 10yrs older than him. Got outclassed by Ricciardo in 2014 and would lose to Hamilton, Alonso and verstappen in equal machinery
@@jayp123 lets ignore all the car issues he had in 2014. lets also ignore how his team decision costed him the 2 wins that Ricciardo got.
Vettel is trash especially he can't even win a championship after joining "Ferrari International Assistant".
After 2019 Russian GP, amazing UA-cam recommendation algorithm
Who's here after Brazil 2022
Me
Multi 21, Sergio Pérez and Máx verstappen
I am here after max and checo drama
Same
Idiots, a race driver never give up a position. This video made me feel proud of Sebastian. No matter the team reasons for saying a driver to retire a fight
1:33 No hard feelings xD
To be fair, it does show he is a true racer. Always going for the win
Imagine is checo did that to max. Everyone would cry for a public lynching
Thar was a payback for Brazil 2012 where Vettel nearly lost the WDC title because Weber blocked him quite intentionally at the start, made him loose several places, which eventually lead him into spin with midfielder.
Vettel didn't care about team orders gets slaughtered.
Max does it too, gets praised.
fanboys logic
armar like them both, they do everything to win👌
The point a lot off People in this comment section seem to make is that vettel never told the team he wanted to race
Welcome to the F1 community, where everything Hamilton and Verstappen do is justified and Vettel has to be criticized for everything
armar As a Seb fan but also a dutchmen: Thank you!
Somewhere in this mess of 2010-2013 RBR is the fact that everyone wanted Webber to win for some reason, despite him not actually being all that fast. Consistently out qualified and out raced by Seb, also an angry fucker, also just really a negative attitude most of the time, but everyone loved him for some reason.
“Multi 21 Max.” -Checo
Multi 111
1:33 if he would have clocked him
Here we are after Hungary 2024
and Lando should've just held it and show the entire grid what he's made of.
And thar comes from a Piastri fan.
This is why F1 is becoming more and more boring. "Don't overtake because reasons even if you're the faster driver"
It's not "reasons". It's perfectly understandable for the team to not want their drivers to fight in order to avoid a crash and get maximum WCC points (that's all that matters, since WCC position is what pays the bills)
@Shubham Tiwari don't u mean no contractors and only drivers
@Shubham Tiwari yes you're right, but it's still orders you should obey. If you're being told "Multi 21" and it means staying behind your teammate to finish 2nd, that's what you do. They're still your boss
@@thedonsz9186 that Team order was unfair in the first place, tell me, why you would give a order to a driver who is more faster than his Team mate and gave you your 3 wcc at that point, if you want to be the 1,be more faster than your Team mate,dont try to make problems, and for the webber fans,remember brazil 2012...
@@jeanpierredapremontarellan830 the problem is not if it was fair or not, the problem is that the order he got wasn't obeyed. Even if Seb was the faster man on track, he has to obey the Multi 21 order and I totally understand Mark's anger. If it would've been the other way around it would probably have been a much bigger problem. And also, it was early in the season
'Its lights out and here we go!!' Who else was waiting for that?
"Multi 21, Seb"
"Was that the stay behind code? Sorry, pal, I thought it meant overtake you because you were too slow"
Webber: *outraged*
Vettel: furiously drinking water
Brazil GP 2022 vibes...
It's easier to ask for forgiveness after the fact than to ask permission before the fact.