Also 3x steals titles, 9 first team all defense, the only player ever to recorded over 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same year twice, higher PER, less turnovers while having higher usage rate. It's just comical how they've been attacking Mike and a whole era just to uplift their king.
Before Jordan. Lebron is the goat no matter how hard ya slurp. All that slurping and not wiping your mouths after done got to ya heads. Lebrons career and statline bodies Jordan’s career easy. It’s not even close. Lebron and kobe are both better than Jordan. Top 3 best ever, Lebron Kobe Kareem. Jordan played in a crackheaded era. Jordan faced a bunch of pookys and tyron biggums. Don’t make me laugh. 😂🫵🏼😂
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Nba fans suck compared to NFL fans. Nfl fans didnt tear down Joe montana to elevate Tom Brady and theyre not tearing down Brady to Elevate Patrick Mahomes.
@@jacksonbrowningyt not talking about you in particular. I just notice that in NBA circles theres this incessant need to tear down one legend to elevate another even to the point of off the court scrutinization of character.
It's actually boils down to players. Montana, Brady and Mahomes clearly have more class than throwing shades at each other. Not so much when it comes to Lebron when he let out ClutchSport to smear other greats.
Not to mention, Parish and Rodman were well past their prime when they played with Jordan and Kukoc is only in the Hall for his international contributions so really MJ only played with 1 Hall of Famer if you think about it
ppl put the blanket statement that mj needed pippen but dont actually look at the stats or watch the games, especially compared to the help bron has had
Horace Grant was not an All Star when Jordan played with him. The bottom line for me will always be that LeBron’s All Star teammates were All Stars without him and were first options on the teams they played for without LeBron. None of Jordan’s teammates were first options and certainly not first round picks expected to carry a team (Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, Davis). Jordan helped Pippen develop and once he stopped having migraines (and found his heart after four years), the Bulls never stopped until Krause stopped them.
This is patently false. In 1994 when Jordan retired, Scottie was 3rd in MVP voting while Armstrong & Grant were 1st time All Stars. Pippen very obviously fits the bill as a 1st option when in the running for MVP without Jordan. Please research before saying false narratives.
The funny part about MJ HoF teammates is: 1) Parrish only played like 5mpg for half the season in 1996-97 and a total of 9 minutes in the PO. Parish lucked into a ring that year. Lol. 2) kukoc is not a HoF based solely on his NBA career. His career outside of Chicago was not impressive. 3) George gervin only played one season with MJ. They only played 18 games together in RS only a total of 11 minutes in the playoffs. Thats all MJ had. Wade Bosh and Kyrie alone are enough to show Lebron has had way more help.
MJ had to top team.Are you stupid the second best player?The top rebounder, the top Canadian, the top Australian run Harper kukoc .The tallest team in the NB.A and three point shooters YOU SOUND SILLY AND THE BEST TEAM MJ ONLY WON AS THE TOP SEED 👍🏾
Dennis Rodman is the only All-star player that Jordan not cultivate. Before Rodman went to chicago, he is already a great defender and great rebounder whos qualify for being a all-star at the late 80s. Meanwhile, Scottie, Horace, Kerr and other chicago bulls players became a all-star players inside of chicago bulls roster. Unlike Lebron, he is the one who went to every team or recruiting a already all-star players.
Kobe vs Lebum isn't a debate because as much as Lefraud wins with his so called record achievements, the Black Mamba has won five titles in the most difficult and slowest in terms of pace defensive era and was able to score 81 points with Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker as teammates and he has beaten most 50 plus win teams in route to his five titles. On top of that, they usually degrade him simply because he shot 45 percent from the field which is the field goal percentage of most shooters from that era such as Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen. The fact that he was able to pull off 81 points and have these scoring outbursts facing tremendous defense is a testament to Kobe's overall game and that puts him above the so called CHOSEN ONE. The BLACK MAMBA has a full "bag" so to speak while Leflop barely has a bag.
And if you were to ask who's the better of the two, in terms of metrics, competition, influence, cultural impact and body of work, it's very easy for me all day everyday. I do respect that guys like Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul Jabbar have noteworthy cases in the GOAT conversation but what elevates Michael from the rest of the pack is the way he globalized basketball even to counties who don't care about it is a feat in itself. That's why when people ask me who's the GOAT when it comes to basketball there can be only one and it's Michael Jeffrey Jordan. F-A-C-T-S🐐 Here's a video that further highlights that point: Why Michael Jordan is the GOAT: ua-cam.com/video/jRd2NRk0P-w/v-deo.htmlsi=GSeSuoikYIOYK1oh
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And I Dont Forget Leclown has 5000 Turn overs in 1400 Games while John Stockton 4100 Turn overs in 1500 Games this the Greatest comparison that Lebronze fan have.😂😂😂🤦
MJ the 🐐 50% clutch rating #1 6 rings (all time record) 6 finals MVP (all time record) 10 nba scoring titles 5 NBA mvp 10 all NBA first team 9 all defensive first team 14 NBA Allstar (every year except his late return year) Rookie Allstar 3 Allstar game MVP 3 NBA steals titles 1 DPOY Carrer regular season scoring average record (30.1) Career playoff scoring average (33.4) Every Lebron fan will skip this message because they know it can't be beat with Lebrons stats.
@@jacksonbrowningyt Whats your guess? No Lebron fans saw this comment Or Lebron fans saw this message and didnt respond because Lebron stats can't add up.
The whole help thing really isn't crazy different because it's LeBron's "longevity" totaling his all star help. Players like Ron Harper, John Paxon and BJ Armstrong are probably better than players like richard Jefferson and Kyle Kuzma. The problem with LeBron is how he got his help and how he expressed the fairness of his decisions and then still proceeded to come up short on two occasions where he fully had more help than Jordan.
@@noone-xk3bvfor the playoffs runs, Pippen was nearly as good as they were and almost won an MVP in 1994. Jordan also played with Pippen for a very long time so their chemistry was very solid. One player is a stupid argument though, you have to look at the team as a whole. That's why Kobe and Shaq should both get tons of credit for their finals runs because that team was lottery if not for them.
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 That doesn't answer my question. I never argued one person is a team and it's stupid to suggest I did. Jordan was retired in 1994 and the bulls lost so that's a stupid year to bring up to try and discredit Jordan being the best player on their team with pippen as his best help. 17 ppg game is not as good as the bulls got, anyone who watched them play knew Jordan was who set the bulls apart from teams that weren't expected to win the chip. You pick and choose the help to consider so I asked what player is better than the second best help Lebron has had. Since you couldn't say pippen is better you move the goalpost as if I said Jordan was the only player on the bulls team witch is again a stupid suggestion. Pippen was no shaq and that is also a stupid comparison to make.
@@noone-xk3bv"what help was better than AD Kyrie or Wade?" Sounds pretty individualistic based to me. The Kobe and Shaq was an example of how one player cannot define help and that's why I didn't answer your question straight up because your question was about help (hint hint, the collective team help). The real question you should be asking that a smart fan should ask is "how did LeBron do in the finals when he actually got help?" Or "how did LeBron go about getting help". I did not move the goal posts as everyone compares Wade's help to how he played without LeBron just like I compared Pippen when without Jordan. Jordan setting the bulls apart from the rest of the league has nothing to do with his help that you asked me about.
Put all stats aside ! Let's do the eye test. LeBron James flat-footed, no more handling skills, one signature move drive to the basket. Michael Jordan complete player both sides of the ball. Plethora of moves. Basketball IQ off the chart.
Thanks for the video bro. How can some ppl be so dumb and blind? It’s like we live in the Upside down world. Losing is valued over winning. Finals Appearances is more valued than actually winning the Finals. No actual skill set is more valued than actually having a skill set. Worst Finals Record is more valued than a Perfect Finals Record. 21 years and only 3 Chips + a fake phony Mickey Mouse Bubble Championship is more valued than Two 3-Peats. Make it make sense. lol. MJ is the Undisputed Goat 🐐. Get over it Bron-Sexuals.
Who’s better?? Nr 1 4 nba chips 4 FMVP 4MVP 1 assist title 1 scoring title 5 all defensive first team Nr 2 6 chips 2 FMVP 6 mvp 1 rebound title 4 block titles 2 scoring titles 5 all defensive first team. I still can’t see why nr1 is better than nr2. Pleas help me on this one because the media will tell it differently 😂
I would rather take prime Kareem over prime Lebron (and i'm not the only one). When Lebron retires and the dust is going down, some media will surly dispute, that LBJ is even the best laker. I simetimes wonder, what Hakeem woul have done, if he had have the help that Kareem had. (big "O", Magic)
Thank you for the video. Most of my friends and family members believe the hype and think LeBron is the true King of the NBA. But they don't seem to realize the NBA has done just about everything to make sure LeBron remains in the limelight. Not taking anything away from the king's greatness, but he ain't no GOAT.
Alr Ill try but me personally I think Kobe is better but i dont think a lot of other people do. I think this because Kobe is literally the closest player to MJ
Jeez! You got to be kiddo minded adult to beleived that fake GOAT debate. Mike V Kobe, Mike V Lew Al, Mike V Bill Rus, MIKE are the only valid debates. Aside from that take a hike.
Confusing! How about if Damian Lillard gets 8 championships but he plays with Jokic, Tatum, Jalen Brown and Doncic, will he be the goat based on the # of rings he has? Guys, let us cut it off.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It is what it is!!! Nope!!! It's what fans make it!!! The debate has been over. Those that like MJ. like MJ. Those that like Bron like Bron. The only thing changing is the views of these clips!!!
look at this way. i played ball and watched it since late 60s. if i had to chose the career i would take. mj. i would take at least 5 other guys before lebron.
I love how you have an old players like Shaq, Ben Wallace, Melo, then Past his Prime players Ray, Russ, and Dwight, and a washed DRose and say look at the HOF players he played with. Mike played with all of his in their prime. Some of the HOF Lebron played with were on their last legs. Not really a comparison.
@@jacksonbrowningytWade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD were all in their primes when Lebron teamed up with them. LeBron only won by forming superteams if we're being honest. He's never won without two prime HOFers playing alongside him.
Russ averaged a tripple double and leading the league in assists the year before going to the lakers. Thats not washed. Rodman was 35 when he went to the bulls with his scoring and rebounding on a decline. That's past Rodmans prime. None of MJ hof teammates were 1st option guys on other teams before he played with them.
Lol where is MJ first 6 seasons?? If your judging by trophies and finals shouldn't it be Kareem and Bill Russell??? Bill has 11 rings within 13 seasons Kareem lost like one game from high-school to pro he also have 6 rings.
@jacksonbrowningyt why if there counting rings ? It's a team sport I could understand if it was tennis or golf.just by rings Emmitt Smith is better than Barry Sanders right? So before MJ won 6 rings who was the goat then? When Isaiah had more rings than MJ dis that make him better than MJ?
@@DevelonAnthony-vr1blWould you really bring into the conversation game stats and accolades? Fundamentals? Vertical? Mindset? Midrange and post skills? Defense? Free throws? It's better for you if they talk about rings...
LeBRONZE🥉🥉fans are delusional. No basketball player can be The Greatest Player of All Time if he has 8 Championship LOSSES. 6 Finals 🧹🧹& 2 Team USA🥉🥉 THAT’S THE END OF THE DISCUSSION 💯 If I want I can add in him never winning a championship without creating SUPER TEAMS, All Time in Turnovers, All Time Missed Shots soon and his so so free throw shooting including 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and his highest season from the line still being lower than MJ’s🐐lowest and him never shooting 79.0% from the line in his career. But my first point is enough. 8 Championship LOSSES is way too many to be the 🐐 FACTS💯 Especially when the guy he’s being compared to is 11-0 in championships 6🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 4🥇🥇🥇🥇 1🏆 NCAA MJ🐐💯 And Steph Curry built a DYNASTY on his back. Come on now. When did we start giving LOSING extra value? 8 championship LOSSES automatically eliminates you from the 🐐conversation. 💯
MJ is the GOAT and it's not even very close. The media and LeBron himself are pushing the narrative that he is better, but he is far from being what he claims himself to be. LeBron fans love talking even though they have no clue how the game was played in previous eras. They think that nowadays era is harder to play in. I never heard a single argument that wasn't a bending of the facts to discredit MJ. If you are a LeBron defender, please give me a solid argument as to why he would be better, and it better not be an other "excuse".
All I hear is MJ had the most help ever lol Next it will be Bron is better at freethrows. Not to mention traveling and flopping turnovers. He has never been better or as great as Kobe or even Pip imo.
@@jacksonbrowningyt oh he has and not even close. He is also more like Pip than MJ or Kobe. He is a pass 1st player and facilitator. He needs a shooter or scorer like Kyrie to win. Or Dwade. He is batman to their superman. And for me Pip is better. Better at running an offense without turning the ball over 5 to 10 times a game lol also attacked without traveling against way tougher defenses. He also is a much much better defender. Not even close. Ppl think I'm crazy but pip is legit better at everything than Bron. Cept he didn't take a million awful shots lol didn't flop like a pussy either lol
Lebron going to the Miami heat alone was filled with more talent than any of MJs teams. And he does flop. He’s the one that made it popular ruining basketball
Lebron would go CRYING to the refs even more than he's known for now if he had Dennis OR Scottie guarding him, making himself look like QUEEN James!!!!!!!!!!!
@@davidmolina9166 and even if he could get past those guy's without travelling he would still have to beat guys like Ewing and Hakeem at the rim. We have all seen how great Timmy did against Bron hell even Dirk outplayed his ass in the finals lol All this overhype is starting to really bug me lol LeFake James is what I'll call him from now on. And he is a fake in every way.
Just because LeBron was around longer to lose more, doesn’t make him better. I have a lot of people of ahead LeBron. Is he a great? Yes. Is he the best? No.
No doubt Lebron James is a great player. But the bottom line is his fans are cherrypicking what's great from his resume. Either all of the resume count or none of it does. And if that's the case, it's all about the accolades. And if that's the case, Jordan wins.
People forget that LeBron James had a 3 year head start and didn't take any breaks during his NBA career unlike Michael Jordan so that's one reason he is breaking all these records. This was a good video.
The 90s were watered down. I guess kids didn't realize that the Magic, Heat, Grizzlies, Raptors, and T-Wolves were expansion teams. A lot of things happened for Jordan to get the 6-0 finals record.
The league being “watered down” has nothing to do with MJ going 6-0 in the finals. I would also like to hear why you think the league being “watered down” mattered at all in the success of the bulls. Have you actually researched this or are you just parroting what others say? Please the your reasoning for this.
@@justamessenger4577 Because the decent teams declined and then they added new teams. Dave Stern spent billions to promote Jordan. The Suns, Jazz, Sonics, Blazers were mediocre teams with ballooned won loss records because the league was weaker. I don't have to research because I watched it happen.
@@AveryBlackman So no research means you don’t really know. The first expansion was in 1988-89 then 1989-90, then again in 1995-96. 6 total teams. Here are those teams win totals each season starting in 1987-88 (the year before expansion) thru the year MJ played them in the finals: Utah: 47 51* 55* 54 55 47 53 60 55* 64 62 3 WCF from 1991-1995 and 9 straight winning seasons is hardly mediocre. Portland: 53 39*59* 63 57 Finals and WCF the two years before they played the bulls. They were not mediocre. Seattle: 44 47*41*41 47 55 63 57 64* These guys averaged 58 wins a season before they played the bulls and continued to win afterwards. Notice their increase in record did not coincide with expansion. The point is these teams did not win because of expansion. They won because they were already good and peaked when they played the bulls. “Decent teams declined when they added teams” I don’t think so. Again, win totals starting in 1987-88 as before: Lakers 1987-1990: 62 57*63* 58. Expansion did not change their success. They fell off in 1991 when Magic had to retire, had nothing to do with expansion. Detroit 1987-1990: 54 63* 59* 50. Pistons record actually improved during the expansion years but their core was already together by thena and they hit their peak. They started to fall off after expansion with the same core. Boston 1987-1992: 57 42* 52* 56 51 48 The 42 win season was when Bird only played 6 games. Otherwise with their core, they will won 50+ games until 1992 when their core split up or retired. Expansion did not cause their decline. See how research helps? You may have watched it but the data shows your statements are not correct. MJ played each of his finals opponents at the peak of their success or continuing success. And the decent teams of the time did not decline due to expansion. By the time the bulls were in their 1st 3peat, the heat and the hornets were becoming playoff teams. The heat made the playoffs 5x in 7 seasons and reached the ECF. The hornets made it 4x in 6 seasons. By the second 3peat, the magic had made the finals once and the ECF 2x. They went to the playoffs 5x in 6 seasons. So by the time the bulls started winning titles the expansion teams were getting good as well, especially during the last 3peat.
@@justamessenger4577 You didn't show the losses from the expansion teams and the declined records of the Lakers and Celtics. Like I said I watched the games in the 90s, it was trash. The Suns were down in first round to a 39-43 Lakers team.
Take away Scottie Pippe(one player) does Jordan win?... The FACT is, he didn't win without ONE Man, LeBron won no matter who was in the line up, and 8 straight Finals... Scored the most points ever in that league and plays better at 39 than any of them ever did.... Y'all just like his shoes and associate their popularity with Jordans persona.... Lastly, most of you never seen Jordan play, but have a opinion... All Jordan fans have is 6-0, but he played more seasons than just six, and the FACT that he never one anything, without Scottie Pippen... And back then, the same All Star player was the same guy each year and why Bron has more is the FANS can now vote instead of just the players for All Star... Like Isaiah said back then and why he was left off the DREAM TEAM is because they played favorites back then and why so few different men went to the All Star game and why LeBron has more and Jordan have less, but he NEVER, and I mean NEVER, won without SCOTTIE... beam me up Scottie...also, Scottie took on the other teams beat player, Michael didn't, even with all his Defensive Players of the Year awards, Magic cooked him their first game before Scottie was placed on him... Know your history...
@@mekacrab how can I take you kids serious when all you do is insult people.. no facts opinions no statements no stats NOTHING!! But most of all you kids know how to do is use your feelings like programmed robots. I know basketball and I got thick skin. I can take what you Jordan Ryder fans have to say
Nope, lebron has ruined the league. Super teams, wining and complaining lead to more fouls and picky calling. Flopping. Load management started during his ‘peak’. Players playing way less. Everything about this league now is a sham compared to 90s.
Also 3x steals titles, 9 first team all defense, the only player ever to recorded over 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same year twice, higher PER, less turnovers while having higher usage rate. It's just comical how they've been attacking Mike and a whole era just to uplift their king.
Yep 🫡
You got 23 likes, perfectly balanced as a things should be 😂
@@zvonkosolin8627 lol awesome! Great observation!
MJ is the Goat regardless of how the other legends like Kareem and others may feel. Lebron and Kobe should be the debate of who was better after MJ.
Agreed 🫡
Before Jordan.
Lebron is the goat no matter how hard ya slurp.
All that slurping and not wiping your mouths after done got to ya heads.
Lebrons career and statline bodies Jordan’s career easy.
It’s not even close.
Lebron and kobe are both better than Jordan.
Top 3 best ever,
Lebron
Kobe
Kareem.
Jordan played in a crackheaded era.
Jordan faced a bunch of pookys and tyron biggums.
Don’t make me laugh.
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"Drugs was at all-time high in the 80s and 90s" - Charles Oakley
highlights the issues the NBA had to face during Michael Jordan's era
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Stop playing with us you delusionals. 😂🫵🏼😂
@@user-eb4xm9ck2xNo thumbs up for you?
Facts 👌
Lebron is arguably the main reason the league is such a sham today.
Yep
It has the highest ratings than ever. What do you mean a sham?
Nba fans suck compared to NFL fans. Nfl fans didnt tear down Joe montana to elevate Tom Brady and theyre not tearing down Brady to Elevate Patrick Mahomes.
Im more of an NFL fan than a NBA fan and im not tearing lebron down im just stating the facts
@@jacksonbrowningyt not talking about you in particular. I just notice that in NBA circles theres this incessant need to tear down one legend to elevate another even to the point of off the court scrutinization of character.
It's actually boils down to players. Montana, Brady and Mahomes clearly have more class than throwing shades at each other. Not so much when it comes to Lebron when he let out ClutchSport to smear other greats.
@@kenwashington4337Stupid 🖕We don't Care your sport.
@@jacksonbrowningytyou facting
This is Not a Debate… They’re trying to make him relevant by bringing up MJs name…
10 scoring titles is a record that will NEVER be broken. It’s a safer bet than total points by a long shot.
True! Lol only missing one fact. Players actually played defense in the 80s and 90s
Debate/Discussion/Argument should not even have started!
Thank you, JB!
Np brother
Not to mention, Parish and Rodman were well past their prime when they played with Jordan and Kukoc is only in the Hall for his international contributions so really MJ only played with 1 Hall of Famer if you think about it
Agreed
ppl put the blanket statement that mj needed pippen but dont actually look at the stats or watch the games, especially compared to the help bron has had
That’s what I’m saying 🫡
Straight facts
Horace Grant was not an All Star when Jordan played with him. The bottom line for me will always be that LeBron’s All Star teammates were All Stars without him and were first options on the teams they played for without LeBron. None of Jordan’s teammates were first options and certainly not first round picks expected to carry a team (Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love, Davis). Jordan helped Pippen develop and once he stopped having migraines (and found his heart after four years), the Bulls never stopped until Krause stopped them.
This is patently false. In 1994 when Jordan retired, Scottie was 3rd in MVP voting while Armstrong & Grant were 1st time All Stars. Pippen very obviously fits the bill as a 1st option when in the running for MVP without Jordan. Please research before saying false narratives.
This not the debate at all.
Not even close 🤷
Yup, never was a debate. MJ hands down the Best to Ever Do It!
Agreed 🫡
MJ is the GOAT forever
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Lebroom longevity is his worst enemy in the goat conversation,he is not even top 5
The funny part about MJ HoF teammates is:
1) Parrish only played like 5mpg for half the season in 1996-97 and a total of 9 minutes in the PO. Parish lucked into a ring that year. Lol.
2) kukoc is not a HoF based solely on his NBA career. His career outside of Chicago was not impressive.
3) George gervin only played one season with MJ. They only played 18 games together in RS only a total of 11 minutes in the playoffs.
Thats all MJ had. Wade Bosh and Kyrie alone are enough to show Lebron has had way more help.
AGREED. 🫡
And he told Michael Jordan, you never beat a great team.That's exactly what robert told him you beat little american midgets
MJ had to top team.Are you stupid the second best player?The top rebounder, the top Canadian, the top Australian run Harper kukoc .The tallest team in the NB.A and three point shooters YOU SOUND SILLY AND THE BEST TEAM MJ ONLY WON AS THE TOP SEED 👍🏾
14 seasons! Retired twice! What more can you say!👍🏿
These are the things that matter winning the important things not longevity stats and meaningless records.
Dennis Rodman is the only All-star player that Jordan not cultivate. Before Rodman went to chicago, he is already a great defender and great rebounder whos qualify for being a all-star at the late 80s. Meanwhile, Scottie, Horace, Kerr and other chicago bulls players became a all-star players inside of chicago bulls roster. Unlike Lebron, he is the one who went to every team or recruiting a already all-star players.
LeFlop couldn’t pass Kobe at this point🐍😮💨💯
Kobe vs Lebum isn't a debate because as much as Lefraud wins with his so called record achievements, the Black Mamba has won five titles in the most difficult and slowest in terms of pace defensive era and was able to score 81 points with Kwame Brown, Chris Mihm, Smush Parker as teammates and he has beaten most 50 plus win teams in route to his five titles. On top of that, they usually degrade him simply because he shot 45 percent from the field which is the field goal percentage of most shooters from that era such as Reggie Miller, Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen. The fact that he was able to pull off 81 points and have these scoring outbursts facing tremendous defense is a testament to Kobe's overall game and that puts him above the so called CHOSEN ONE.
The BLACK MAMBA has a full "bag" so to speak while Leflop barely has a bag.
And if you were to ask who's the better of the two, in terms of metrics, competition, influence, cultural impact and body of work, it's very easy for me all day everyday. I do respect that guys like Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem Abdul Jabbar have noteworthy cases in the GOAT conversation but what elevates Michael from the rest of the pack is the way he globalized basketball even to counties who don't care about it is a feat in itself. That's why when people ask me who's the GOAT when it comes to basketball there can be only one and it's Michael Jeffrey Jordan. F-A-C-T-S🐐
Here's a video that further highlights that point: Why Michael Jordan is the GOAT: ua-cam.com/video/jRd2NRk0P-w/v-deo.htmlsi=GSeSuoikYIOYK1oh
Here's another video where Bobby Knight affirms what we knew all along.
BOBBY KNIGHT explains why MICHAEL JORDAN is THE GOAT and IT ISN'T EVEN CLOSE: ua-cam.com/video/1IYVkrJD7zU/v-deo.htmlsi=W5NJK_hhPVmnQdYw
And this is a popular video regarding the GOAT debate.
Jordan vs Lebron: The best GOAT comparison: ua-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/v-deo.htmlsi=xVgm2WUYItmwOPvK
I keep saying it over and over this debate never was a debate it's actually an illusion.😮
Dynasty. Jordan Kobe
And I Dont Forget Leclown has 5000 Turn overs in 1400 Games while John Stockton 4100 Turn overs in 1500 Games this the Greatest comparison that Lebronze fan have.😂😂😂🤦
Thank you for doing this I just sent this to my friend 🤣
It’s not a debate!😂
MJ the 🐐
50% clutch rating #1
6 rings (all time record)
6 finals MVP (all time record)
10 nba scoring titles
5 NBA mvp
10 all NBA first team
9 all defensive first team
14 NBA Allstar (every year except his late return year)
Rookie Allstar
3 Allstar game MVP
3 NBA steals titles
1 DPOY
Carrer regular season scoring average record (30.1)
Career playoff scoring average (33.4)
Every Lebron fan will skip this message because they know it can't be beat with Lebrons stats.
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@@jacksonbrowningyt Whats your guess?
No Lebron fans saw this comment
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Lebron fans saw this message and didnt respond because Lebron stats can't add up.
Love the voice over bro...
Lybron fans sounds just like that💯🤣
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Lmaooo I love your bias tone I'm all here for it 😂 MJ the goat undeniably
Yep 🫡
Ron Harper was a better teammate than Steve Kerr IMO. he never made an All-Star team too unbelievably. should have though...
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They are both great players.. now a days there are more superteams than MJ's time..
Miami was a superteam and of course they won every Final they played 👍.
Well said, Zamora.
Agreed 🫡
That Miami team lost some finals too
More superteams and more superstars. The star player count is MUCH higher now than it was in the 90's.
This is facts
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Great Content
Thanks bro
Jordan had the greatest rebounder in league history
After he already 3 peated
The whole help thing really isn't crazy different because it's LeBron's "longevity" totaling his all star help. Players like Ron Harper, John Paxon and BJ Armstrong are probably better than players like richard Jefferson and Kyle Kuzma.
The problem with LeBron is how he got his help and how he expressed the fairness of his decisions and then still proceeded to come up short on two occasions where he fully had more help than Jordan.
I agree with some of the things you said 👍
What Jordan help was better than AD Kyrie or Wade?
@@noone-xk3bvfor the playoffs runs, Pippen was nearly as good as they were and almost won an MVP in 1994. Jordan also played with Pippen for a very long time so their chemistry was very solid.
One player is a stupid argument though, you have to look at the team as a whole. That's why Kobe and Shaq should both get tons of credit for their finals runs because that team was lottery if not for them.
@@antonioguglielmetti2661 That doesn't answer my question.
I never argued one person is a team and it's stupid to suggest I did.
Jordan was retired in 1994 and the bulls lost so that's a stupid year to bring up to try and discredit Jordan being the best player on their team with pippen as his best help.
17 ppg game is not as good as the bulls got, anyone who watched them play knew Jordan was who set the bulls apart from teams that weren't expected to win the chip.
You pick and choose the help to consider so I asked what player is better than the second best help Lebron has had.
Since you couldn't say pippen is better you move the goalpost as if I said Jordan was the only player on the bulls team witch is again a stupid suggestion.
Pippen was no shaq and that is also a stupid comparison to make.
@@noone-xk3bv"what help was better than AD Kyrie or Wade?" Sounds pretty individualistic based to me. The Kobe and Shaq was an example of how one player cannot define help and that's why I didn't answer your question straight up because your question was about help (hint hint, the collective team help). The real question you should be asking that a smart fan should ask is "how did LeBron do in the finals when he actually got help?" Or "how did LeBron go about getting help". I did not move the goal posts as everyone compares Wade's help to how he played without LeBron just like I compared Pippen when without Jordan. Jordan setting the bulls apart from the rest of the league has nothing to do with his help that you asked me about.
Never a debate, MJ playing for the Wizards, made this debate possible, MJ last shot should have been in the 98 finals and last game.
Put all stats aside ! Let's do the eye test. LeBron James flat-footed, no more handling skills, one signature move drive to the basket. Michael Jordan complete player both sides of the ball. Plethora of moves. Basketball IQ off the chart.
This was never a debate... I mean think about it even LeBron wears Jordans not LeBrons.
Adam Silver will get angry to you if he see this.
Thanks for the video bro. How can some ppl be so dumb and blind? It’s like we live in the Upside down world. Losing is valued over winning. Finals Appearances is more valued than actually winning the Finals. No actual skill set is more valued than actually having a skill set. Worst Finals Record is more valued than a Perfect Finals Record. 21 years and only 3 Chips + a fake phony Mickey Mouse Bubble Championship is more valued than Two 3-Peats. Make it make sense. lol. MJ is the Undisputed Goat 🐐. Get over it Bron-Sexuals.
Agreed 🫡
Who’s better??
Nr 1
4 nba chips
4 FMVP
4MVP
1 assist title
1 scoring title
5 all defensive first team
Nr 2
6 chips
2 FMVP
6 mvp
1 rebound title
4 block titles
2 scoring titles
5 all defensive first team.
I still can’t see why nr1 is better than nr2.
Pleas help me on this one because the media will tell it differently 😂
Wdym by nr
I would rather take prime Kareem over prime Lebron
(and i'm not the only one).
When Lebron retires and the
dust is going down, some media will surly dispute, that LBJ is even the best laker.
I simetimes wonder, what Hakeem woul have done, if he had have the help that Kareem had. (big "O", Magic)
LeBron LeBalco James
Still not a debate just uncontrolled feelings running wild.
Thank you for the video. Most of my friends and family members believe the hype and think LeBron is the true King of the NBA. But they don't seem to realize the NBA has done just about everything to make sure LeBron remains in the limelight. Not taking anything away from the king's greatness, but he ain't no GOAT.
Well said and I completely agree 🫡
how jorbum fans fell after cherry picking accolades and bringing up 2011 has only arguments:
Jorbum? That’s a thing?
Jorbum? What are you even talking about 😂😂
Don't have to cherry pick nothing and I have lot more arguments than just 2001 finals. So u silly statement is wrong
Can you dispute any of it though? 🤔
@@machomusprime50 absolutely can
MJ played fewer years than everyone on the top 10 total points list, and he's still number 5. Imagine if he played 20 years. 😂 🙏🏾
Am a Kobe Fan and i want to know the truth about kob vs leCryfans please make a video ❤
Alr Ill try but me personally I think Kobe is better but i dont think a lot of other people do. I think this because Kobe is literally the closest player to MJ
Most Lakers fans know Kobe better. Right now they want Lebron out of LA.
Jeez! You got to be kiddo minded adult to beleived that fake GOAT debate. Mike V Kobe, Mike V Lew Al, Mike V Bill Rus, MIKE are the only valid debates. Aside from that take a hike.
True that 🫡
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College Championship
College POY
2 Olympic Gold medals
2 slam dunk titles👍🏿💯
Yep 🫡
Lbj wears jordan jammies
leshit fans gonna say he has the most points in nba history yep, also most turnovers and soon to be most missed shots in nba history
Rajon Rondo could arguably be a hall of fames and he was definitely elite.
Agreed
Jordan only played 11 seasons with the bulls.. !!!! he was injured one season and set out a season when his father was____
Confusing! How about if Damian Lillard gets 8 championships but he plays with Jokic, Tatum, Jalen Brown and Doncic, will he be the goat based on the # of rings he has? Guys, let us cut it off.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It is what it is!!! Nope!!! It's what fans make it!!! The debate has been over. Those that like MJ. like MJ. Those that like Bron like Bron. The only thing changing is the views of these clips!!!
I’d throw Rondo in as a future HOF’er too…Not first ballot but he will be a HOF’er.
Agreed
Smart kid👍🏾
Lebron really is just delusional😂😂
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Its amazing there is even an arguement.....kids these days.(yeah in their 40s, kids.)
Jordan da goat
The Haters were ahead of their time, but I am no hater of Lebron lol…
MJ achieved more in *less time* and (what is really important) *with less help* .
look at this way. i played ball and watched it since late 60s. if i had to chose the career i would take. mj. i would take at least 5 other guys before lebron.
Its actually 15 seasons jordan played but carry on.
My acronym for lame james
The Weakest All Time.
Stinks
Goat mj
Yes!! Can this debate please stop! All of those players are great no question. But MJ is the GOAT!
All facts!
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Wilt
I love how you have an old players like Shaq, Ben Wallace, Melo, then Past his Prime players Ray, Russ, and Dwight, and a washed DRose and say look at the HOF players he played with. Mike played with all of his in their prime. Some of the HOF Lebron played with were on their last legs. Not really a comparison.
Lebron has played with plenty of hall of famers in their prime and yet still only won 4 championships in 21 years compared to MJs 6 in 15 seasons
@@jacksonbrowningytWade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD were all in their primes when Lebron teamed up with them. LeBron only won by forming superteams if we're being honest. He's never won without two prime HOFers playing alongside him.
Another excuse. Be quiet.
Russ averaged a tripple double and leading the league in assists the year before going to the lakers.
Thats not washed.
Rodman was 35 when he went to the bulls with his scoring and rebounding on a decline.
That's past Rodmans prime.
None of MJ hof teammates were 1st option guys on other teams before he played with them.
You left out
Jordan cut from high school varsity team
Jordan had to go to college
Jordan and Kobe 11 rings all with the same coach🤔
That just makes him greater
Just look at the number on Lebron's jersey.What does that tell you?
Only 3 was in they prime when they played with bron
Sure buddy
So shaq was in his prime?
Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, AD. That's 5 right there...
@@mpound97 He didn't think we could count. 😂😂😂
Yo this video blew up but Jordan the goat
Yeeeeeeaaaahhh
Kobe >>>> LeBalco
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Happy 2nd BDay to Michael Jordan on Sunday March 31st ... Black Jesus 😎
Lol where is MJ first 6 seasons?? If your judging by trophies and finals shouldn't it be Kareem and Bill Russell??? Bill has 11 rings within 13 seasons Kareem lost like one game from high-school to pro he also have 6 rings.
It’s MJ vs Lebron or maybe Kobe nobody really considers Kareem or Bill as the GOAT
@jacksonbrowningyt why if there counting rings ? It's a team sport I could understand if it was tennis or golf.just by rings Emmitt Smith is better than Barry Sanders right? So before MJ won 6 rings who was the goat then? When Isaiah had more rings than MJ dis that make him better than MJ?
@@DevelonAnthony-vr1blWould you really bring into the conversation game stats and accolades? Fundamentals? Vertical? Mindset? Midrange and post skills? Defense? Free throws? It's better for you if they talk about rings...
Bill played when there was next to no competition. And with a superteam of Cousy, Jones, and Havlicek.
@alfasiger4178 lol it's always an excuse if we're judging by rings he has the most .
That's why lebalco james fans are blind they couldn't see this the only thing that they see is the fake goat Stats and accomplishment
Can’t say lebum when you’ve never won anything
LeBRONZE🥉🥉fans are delusional. No basketball player can be The Greatest Player of All Time if he has 8 Championship LOSSES. 6 Finals 🧹🧹& 2 Team USA🥉🥉 THAT’S THE END OF THE DISCUSSION 💯 If I want I can add in him never winning a championship without creating SUPER TEAMS, All Time in Turnovers, All Time Missed Shots soon and his so so free throw shooting including 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and his highest season from the line still being lower than MJ’s🐐lowest and him never shooting 79.0% from the line in his career. But my first point is enough. 8 Championship LOSSES is way too many to be the 🐐 FACTS💯
Especially when the guy he’s being compared to is 11-0 in championships
6🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
4🥇🥇🥇🥇
1🏆 NCAA MJ🐐💯
And Steph Curry built a DYNASTY on his back. Come on now. When did we start giving LOSING extra value? 8 championship LOSSES automatically eliminates you from the 🐐conversation. 💯
And if you wanna add the second best player in the league Kevin Durant he still has more than the two
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MJ is the GOAT and it's not even very close. The media and LeBron himself are pushing the narrative that he is better, but he is far from being what he claims himself to be.
LeBron fans love talking even though they have no clue how the game was played in previous eras. They think that nowadays era is harder to play in.
I never heard a single argument that wasn't a bending of the facts to discredit MJ.
If you are a LeBron defender, please give me a solid argument as to why he would be better, and it better not be an other "excuse".
All I hear is MJ had the most help ever lol Next it will be Bron is better at freethrows. Not to mention traveling and flopping turnovers. He has never been better or as great as Kobe or even Pip imo.
Bron has probably had the best set of teammates of all time
@@jacksonbrowningyt oh he has and not even close. He is also more like Pip than MJ or Kobe. He is a pass 1st player and facilitator. He needs a shooter or scorer like Kyrie to win. Or Dwade. He is batman to their superman. And for me Pip is better. Better at running an offense without turning the ball over 5 to 10 times a game lol also attacked without traveling against way tougher defenses. He also is a much much better defender. Not even close. Ppl think I'm crazy but pip is legit better at everything than Bron. Cept he didn't take a million awful shots lol didn't flop like a pussy either lol
Lebron going to the Miami heat alone was filled with more talent than any of MJs teams. And he does flop. He’s the one that made it popular ruining basketball
Lebron would go CRYING to the refs even more than he's known for now if he had Dennis OR Scottie guarding him, making himself look like QUEEN James!!!!!!!!!!!
@@davidmolina9166 and even if he could get past those guy's without travelling he would still have to beat guys like Ewing and Hakeem at the rim. We have all seen how great Timmy did against Bron hell even Dirk outplayed his ass in the finals lol All this overhype is starting to really bug me lol LeFake James is what I'll call him from now on. And he is a fake in every way.
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Not to mention, Lebronda LOST in the Olympics with NBA players! Jordan won the Olympics, first as a college team, then of course the dream team.
Lefraudulent James fans are delusional. That's why they always crying and have to make up excuses for him all the time.
MJ 🐐 NO DEBATE
Just because LeBron was around longer to lose more, doesn’t make him better. I have a lot of people of ahead LeBron. Is he a great? Yes. Is he the best? No.
LeBalco
No doubt Lebron James is a great player. But the bottom line is his fans are cherrypicking what's great from his resume. Either all of the resume count or none of it does. And if that's the case, it's all about the accolades. And if that's the case, Jordan wins.
Scotty and tony werent hof
Scottie definitely was but I don’t think Kukoc deserved it
I watched all the games I hated Scottie he always fell short when we needed him.we used to say give the ball to Jordan
MJ is the G.O.A.T. the real debate is who is #2.❤❤❤❤
People forget that LeBron James had a 3 year head start and didn't take any breaks during his NBA career unlike Michael Jordan so that's one reason he is breaking all these records. This was a good video.
The 90s were watered down. I guess kids didn't realize that the Magic, Heat, Grizzlies, Raptors, and T-Wolves were expansion teams. A lot of things happened for Jordan to get the 6-0 finals record.
You can say the exact same thing about the league right now
The league being “watered down” has nothing to do with MJ going 6-0 in the finals. I would also like to hear why you think the league being “watered down” mattered at all in the success of the bulls.
Have you actually researched this or are you just parroting what others say? Please the your reasoning for this.
@@justamessenger4577 Because the decent teams declined and then they added new teams. Dave Stern spent billions to promote Jordan. The Suns, Jazz, Sonics, Blazers were mediocre teams with ballooned won loss records because the league was weaker. I don't have to research because I watched it happen.
@@AveryBlackman
So no research means you don’t really know.
The first expansion was in 1988-89 then 1989-90, then again in 1995-96. 6 total teams.
Here are those teams win totals each season starting in 1987-88 (the year before expansion) thru the year MJ played them in the finals:
Utah: 47 51* 55* 54 55 47 53 60 55* 64 62
3 WCF from 1991-1995 and 9 straight winning seasons is hardly mediocre.
Portland: 53 39*59* 63 57
Finals and WCF the two years before they played the bulls. They were not mediocre.
Seattle: 44 47*41*41 47 55 63 57 64*
These guys averaged 58 wins a season before they played the bulls and continued to win afterwards. Notice their increase in record did not coincide with expansion.
The point is these teams did not win because of expansion. They won because they were already good and peaked when they played the bulls.
“Decent teams declined when they added teams”
I don’t think so. Again, win totals starting in 1987-88 as before:
Lakers 1987-1990: 62 57*63* 58. Expansion did not change their success. They fell off in 1991 when Magic had to retire, had nothing to do with expansion.
Detroit 1987-1990: 54 63* 59* 50. Pistons record actually improved during the expansion years but their core was already together by thena and they hit their peak. They started to fall off after expansion with the same core.
Boston 1987-1992: 57 42* 52* 56 51 48
The 42 win season was when Bird only played 6 games. Otherwise with their core, they will won 50+ games until 1992 when their core split up or retired. Expansion did not cause their decline.
See how research helps? You may have watched it but the data shows your statements are not correct. MJ played each of his finals opponents at the peak of their success or continuing success. And the decent teams of the time did not decline due to expansion.
By the time the bulls were in their 1st 3peat, the heat and the hornets were becoming playoff teams. The heat made the playoffs 5x in 7 seasons and reached the ECF. The hornets made it 4x in 6 seasons.
By the second 3peat, the magic had made the finals once and the ECF 2x. They went to the playoffs 5x in 6 seasons.
So by the time the bulls started winning titles the expansion teams were getting good as well, especially during the last 3peat.
@@justamessenger4577 You didn't show the losses from the expansion teams and the declined records of the Lakers and Celtics. Like I said I watched the games in the 90s, it was trash. The Suns were down in first round to a 39-43 Lakers team.
MJ goat
Mj.is the goat.
This debate.was.made.up by nba. Espn and paid media personel 😂😂😂
Take away Scottie Pippe(one player) does Jordan win?... The FACT is, he didn't win without ONE Man, LeBron won no matter who was in the line up, and 8 straight Finals... Scored the most points ever in that league and plays better at 39 than any of them ever did.... Y'all just like his shoes and associate their popularity with Jordans persona.... Lastly, most of you never seen Jordan play, but have a opinion... All Jordan fans have is 6-0, but he played more seasons than just six, and the FACT that he never one anything, without Scottie Pippen... And back then, the same All Star player was the same guy each year and why Bron has more is the FANS can now vote instead of just the players for All Star... Like Isaiah said back then and why he was left off the DREAM TEAM is because they played favorites back then and why so few different men went to the All Star game and why LeBron has more and Jordan have less, but he NEVER, and I mean NEVER, won without SCOTTIE... beam me up Scottie...also, Scottie took on the other teams beat player, Michael didn't, even with all his Defensive Players of the Year awards, Magic cooked him their first game before Scottie was placed on him... Know your history...
Scottie Pippen averaged 16 points in his career. That’s nothing compared to LeBrons teammates. You just wasted your time typing that essay 😂
MJ all the way...
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But don't forget that LeBron needs more help. 😂
He’s had more enough help and still hasn’t done anything compared to MJ
@@jacksonbrowningyt he always needs more help. That's the narrative ESPN is pushing every day.
Yep but when he bad it’s because he’s old but when he plays good it’s his precious longevity
#1 Lebron #5 MJ
Delusional
@@jacksonbrowningyt so is your top 10..btw what is your top 10 kid. #1 LeBron #2 KAJ #3 Wilt #4 Bill #5 MJ #6 Bird #7 Magic #8 TD #9 West #10 Hakeem
Hahahah you don't know ball that's crazy.
MJ number 5 hahahah I can't even take you seriously.
@@mekacrab how can I take you kids serious when all you do is insult people.. no facts opinions no statements no stats NOTHING!! But most of all you kids know how to do is use your feelings like programmed robots. I know basketball and I got thick skin. I can take what you Jordan Ryder fans have to say
@@mattklawiter54 Mate, you didn't give facts either. Do I need to remind you ?
Why am I expected to explain when you don't ?
MJ the goat but please stop the LeBron hate we never gone see a player like LeBron again# facts
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Nope, lebron has ruined the league. Super teams, wining and complaining lead to more fouls and picky calling. Flopping. Load management started during his ‘peak’. Players playing way less. Everything about this league now is a sham compared to 90s.
Baby Leclown Fanboi why are you crying 🤡🥺