How the AWD Works in a 2022 MK8 Golf R w/
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Today we compare Volkswagen's old AWD technology (Haldex) to the new AWD system used in the 2022 MK8 Golf R! How is it different? Is the New System better? Watch to find out!
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i have problem today with all wheel drive and all light error in the dash i change batterie but no result ..dtc rear axele implausible signal..internal malfunction ...can you help me
Great Video.
I’m a proud owner of a MK7 R and love the car. I am also a proud Magna employee who enjoys seeing videos by end users about our products!
Im a Magna employee as well
Thank you for your product. I have your Transfer Case in my 2018 Genesis G80.
Good video guys. I'd love to see the Roller test comparing the Mk7.5 and the Mk8 to see how well the two systems handle loosing traction on different wheels.
Charles look forward to the servicing video. Thank you for the wonderful information gentlemen.
The crazy camera angles gave me old school instructional video vibes. Love it, keep up the great work guys!
Great stuff, just a note I was driving my Mk V R32 and getting on the freeway in traffic I accidentally drove over some debris on the roadway. Well long story short, the debris cracked my rear Haldex case. Ouch. I got a flatbed to take me the car to my dealer for repair, well $5000 for the Haldex and $1000 to do the repair. Lucky me I called my insurance and calmed Road Hazard and $250.00 is all I had to pay. Look out for Road Hazards! Stay well and keep up the great videos.
Hmm road hazards 🤔 I'ma look into that, I know the Haldex units are pricey to replace and work on.
Loving the content you and Charles are putting out. Excited for more Mk8 stuff!
I absolutely love your videos, especially when you work with Charles. I learn so much and have so much fun at the same time.
Excellent video guys! I've had a 7 & 7.5, now waiting for my new 8R. Love from London 😊🇬🇧
You know for me personally to go off topic, the thing i miss the most on the mark 8 as a 35 year old single guy who loves hatchbacks(and isn't planning on getting any kids in life) is the lack of a 3 door model, tbh these hatches are starting to look more and more like lowered SUV's and i hate the look of a 5doors hatch, thats just my opinion but it's making me go more the coupe route in the future.like a TT
go for a TTRS
For almost the same money get BMW 240M IX rear biased AWD twin turbo six, it is far superior to this econo hatchback based, FWD biased, 4 banger. Plus you don't have to deal with the stupid capacitive touch buttons they us ed for everything on this car.
@@ericmichel3857 There is also quite a big price difference between a new mk8r and a new m240i
@@Duif_RS6 That is not true, you don't have to believe me go to the BMW site and build your own. The Golf R with DCT is $45.5 K, the base M240i Xdrive is $48.5K and comes with a lot more than what you get with a Golf R, like a far superior drive train, engine, Brembo brakes, better interior/exterior, and it is a BMW and lets be honest, brand names have value. Personally I would pay a bit extra for custom paint for $550 and the performance package for $2400, so my version would be $6K more than the Golf, but you could choose to forgo those options and have a far better car for only $3K more.
If you are already spending nearly $50K out the door for a Golf, what's another $3K - $6K? If you are telling me yes I can afford $50K for a Golf R but $53K? If that is just to rich for your blood, then you probably shouldn't be buying either one of these cars.
The whole point of these hopped up econo-cars was that you could get similar performance to high end cars but at an affordable price. They were always compromised in other ways, like esthetics, style, material quality, ride... but we did not care because for the money you got similar performance to cars costing a lot more. Now the price is is only barely below the high end options, but they still have the same compromises, at these price points this car does not make sense.
@@ericmichel3857 I can only tell your what is true for my country. Here in Denmark the BMW is quite alot more expensive than a mk8r
I do appreciate y’all’s important message about servicing. Regular servicing 😎😎😎 is always always necessary.
Charles poping up behind Paul 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great details guys........this is why the internet follows you.
Pauls "dumb jokes" are my favorite
The Mercedes dealer told me my First Edition AMG 45 was part-time AWD, but predominantly FWD until pushed hard or reduced grip on the front wheels. Driving around town, city reads or motorways meant improved mpg; even for an AMG.
Great video guys, good explanation.
RS3 has been on my wish list for a while. Would've probably had a Mk3 in my garage long ago if it weren't for news of the trick diff/new AWD system in the Mk4. Will be very interesting to see how the Magna AWD holds up to increased power/abuse like Charles alluded to. Thanks to shops like Iroz Motorsports though, we probably won't have to wait long to find out. lol
Are people calling RS3 by mk. generations now? 😅
@@dickard8275 no, the "mk3" is an 8V, and the "mk4" is the 8Y.
@@jamesmontano5916 The mk3 would be the 8Y, there wasn't a 8L version of the RS3
@@MrZyLeXx hence why calling things by "mkX" doesn't make any sense if there's an existing chassis code that's easy to use. Regardless of whether an RS3 existed in 8L, the 8Y would still be a "mk4". The golf R didn't exist until the mk6 (or the mk4 if you count the R32) you still refer to it as a "mk6 golf R". That's because the "mkX" is you describing the chassis, not the model/trim.
This is why you don't refer to it by "mkX", you refer to it by the chassis code.
@@jamesmontano5916 you just don't describ RS3's by MK anything though
Thanks guys! Excited to see where the Mk8 aftermarket goes
3:43 I was a little scared for your rear end!! 🤣you guys are the best
Nice! Thanks for breaking that down for us. I had thought the new AWD still was based on a Haldex system, but with the new E-diff in the rear.
That said, how does it sent the power to the rear to begin with? Is it using a center differential, or a transfer case? IIRC it's always sending 50% of the torque to the rear, but those clutch packs can engage or disengage completely to, essentially, make it front wheel drive if wanted. But I'm just curious how they designed the tranny to split the power front and rear...?
I know Haldex in VW Atlas is extremely capable even at 140kmph on slushy ice non ploughed roads. Ofcourse with a good all terrain tires🤓🤓
Mitsubishi invented this type of electronic clutch plated differential in 1995 in the WRC and then they installed it to the Evo 4 in 1996, it was called Active Yaw Control (AYC). This technology was way ahead of its time in 1996.
Charles
Ext time you introduce the Golf R. A pirate patch and a parrot on your shoulder is a must.
I not a race car driver but I’d love to be able to just lock the back end up or just have a solide spline shaft mating to two half shafts transferring power to the wheels.
I just want to be in control of the power train and lock out power distribution settings so I can trust the more on snow courses or roads.
But this is coming from a guy who used his e39 540i m-sport and mazdaspeed mx5 throughout snowstorms along the south west side of Lake Erie from Cleveland to peak n peek and back. My corvette was only used in light snow do to the wide rear wheels not wanting to dig in deeper snow.
I did use snow tires on the bmw and had thinner wheels on the backend but that was only a rear wheel open diff which sometimes needed help more help when forced to go slowly up snowy hills in the valley … I should have put an lsd in to help transfer a little power to both rear wheel when I had the car.
Now I’ve toasted the mk7 golf R’s rear clutch pack and want to get a proper mechanical lsd rear end for ease of maintenance… plus I want to drive the car or die trying instead of being driven around when I get to disable all the driving aids and let loose in safe environments.
I have to burst anyone's bubble but Acura has been using torque vectoring in the SH-AWD systems for years lol. Excellent breakdown though gentlemen
Considering I only have my Golf 7R just over a month now. I’m very happy with the Haldex system in it. Looking forward to the DIY videos!
Paul and Charles or Charles and Paul :) - stunning video, this is hands down your best video. Short, funny, very informative and super clear. Lots of kudos and 👍👍👍👍👍👍
...you got me thinking why I did not get the R mk8... but that is a different story...
A+ content. I love the editing and flow of the video, too.
Just was curious on the GTI how is the limited slip different between the 7.5 and 8? I hear so many different conflicting things🙄 sorry it's not an R question but figured you guys would know.
I have a issue with my Mk7 with 100,000 miles.
A misfire on cylinder 3 only, misfire is only on idle.
Did compression test 190 on 1,2,4 and 160 on 3. Changed spark plugs, coils, injectors, and did a carb clean.
Any help on what it could be the issue would be appreciate it.
You should do a leak down and compression test
Love it when you two make videos! Informative and hysterical!
Mk 7.5 for life!
Great video, now I just wish I could actually buy a new R. Been asking my dealer since October and no hope in sight.
These guys are definitely servicing each others O-rings
Do a video where you read dumb comments and reply them. It’s been too long since you’ve done one. Love you guys!
I also never understood why people don't see the Haldex as awd, clearly all wheels can be driven which is to my knowledge the only requirement for this.
Cool video. Neat animations and stuff! 😎 A friend of mine works for Iroz. Definitely build some BADASS stuff. 👍
Im glad i didnt pay for the Fraud Wheel Drive, but went for the GTI - Clubsport that is. Not sold in US as im from Sweden, Land of the Polestar's - That sounded dirty i know.. But every car becomes "dirty" once used properly! 😄 👍
Actually laughing out loud while watching a video about drivetrains...thanks fellas.
Thank you for your review and information
Excellent and informative video! I see Charles' Mk8 is a 6spd MT, way to go Charles! I'm looking at buying the same car (but in black)sometime later this year (I currently have a 2017 Alltrack with a 6spd MT).
It’s an incredible car
@@HumbleMechanic Thanks... I'm really looking forward to it!
Is was nice meeting you either day at Ian shop.
Nicely done, boys 👏🏻👏🏻
great video. thank you!
Yup did that with subie first attempt drift in snow, happened to be ice underneath.
Do not like subie at all!!!
Hi, I'm still waiting for the torque vectoring service video, please please please updates!!!
I want a golf 7 R so bad 🔥🔥
The best golf ever made.
Get oneeee
Gonna need part numbers to swap that magna rear Diff into my mk7. Please and thank you.
I like how he just disappeared 1:50
Excellent vid!
Interesting 👌 got my mark 7/5 3 years ago and pretty much love it.. daily 😝 cheers all 👋
Great video guys! I do have a couple of questions. Is there any hardware difference in the AWD systems between the Golf R and the S3, or is it just software? And if it is software, do you think it will be possible to program the Golf R level of torque vectoring into the S3 at some point in the future?
As far as I’ve read, the S3 gets the older system (or more basic Magna system). The R gets the Performance Pack differential which is only available on the RS3. So…the R has a better AWD system than the S3. Along with the sunroof, the R gets the win this time around.
@@JoJoJoker that's slightly disappointing, but totally makes sense. Thanks for answering!
@@JoJoJoker, I think the Golf R has slightly bigger brakes while maintaining a lighter weight as well. It's a shame because I def prefer the interior of the S3, and I find that this newer gen is a considerable difference in quality with the S3 surpassing. Still, it's a hard buy because of the lack of these performance improvements that went into the Golf R. Personally, I think they should've done what they've always done and just built the same exact chassis and powertrain.
As an 8.5V S3 owner, for my next car, I'd like to have the upgraded performance of the Golf R. Still, I'm not really willing to downgrade to that interior, especially with the new infotainment system. I also don't want to drive the slightly "inferior" S3 model.
Thus, I'll probably consider an alternative to my long-loved VAG selections. Might just avoid all the bullshit with the newer cars and get a 2018/19 M2, haha.
I'd love to retrofit that system in my mk7.5 golf R
damn tree just jumped out in front of me!!! lol
So are they both Front wheel biased AWD systems? Are they both fully disengaged when grip is not needed at the back?
Hi from Belgium, please put the magna diff into a 7.5R !!!!! 🔥🔥🔥🤩
Is been a year and still no video of the MK8 rear service. 😢
Paul we aren’t mustang owners 😂. Also Nathan, “Just beat up Charles’s car” 🤣
@Deutscheautoparts Nice video , thanks. how would a Golf R 7.5 with a rear locking diff like a quaife or a wavetrack behave and compare to the MK8 rear torque vectoring diff?
@DAP and @humblemechanic can you show us how to service our sports diff on the B8 S4?
The beard of knowledge 👍
I love A VOLKSWAGEN JETTA
Nice H&R Swaybar ; )
put on a 17in wheels with dsg, it's a perfect car.
I get why many car companies default to FWD or RWD on AWD or 4x4 trucks and SUVs and cars to help save fuel and to help reduce wear and tear. But with some SUVs and trucks and maybe crossovers the driver has the ability to use AWD or 4x4 as they please without the car saying when it is appropriate. Actually I think we have seen this on the Audi Quattro in the 80s. So, why can't people who have this type of AWD where the car defaults it let say FWD say when they want to use the AWD system?
Magna 🇨🇦 💪
Chould you make a video or just give me the instructins to code the Rain, light and humidity sensor on Audi A3 8V 2013. I currently have only the humidity sensor but i want to swap it out so i can have AUTO lights and CH/LH lights with OBDeleven. I have the xenon lights. Im a newbie so the info would be very helpfull. Thank you
Question Audi related, I have a 2009 A4 b8, want to reto fit cruise control I have an obd11 pro, what switch (part number) and what I need to code it, loads of vids on you tube but nothing good, with the way you explain stuff would be helpful, thanks
ETA on video of Charles servicing Paul's rear end? What tools are required for the DIY?
It’s a white claw count down!!!……. Dun nun dun da
You guys are cool.
I see you put spacers on the MK8. Did you make a vid on those. I’m in the process of getting my bumper fixed. Minor fender bender. But I’m going with that same look and drop. Can you put out a video on that and the performance module please. Take my money afterwards.
We haven’t put out a video yet but we did test a flush kit and found 11/15 to be very solid www.shopdap.com/make-model-year/volkswagen/gti/mk8-gti-main/mk8-gti-wheels/mk8-gti-wheels-spacers/wheel-spacer-flush-kits/wheel-spacer-flush-kit-for-mk8-gti-black.html
Can you check the oil levels on the mk8 r via OBD?
ok, we need a "WHAT ABOUT SERVICING" tshirt now
All I can see is more service items - which as a subscriber of ShopDAP content is a good thing I guess xD
All i heard was more parts to go wrong and break plus who needs drift mode last time I checked this is America not Japan. How I miss my simple uncomplicated 2004 Golf MK4 R32. BRING BACK THE AWESOME VR6 MUSIC!!!!!!
Esctuning is asking for SCV or PPU transmission code. Where can I find it, I have 09G 6AT golf 2017 ;(
thats crazy
Do we know which (or suspect) system will be more reliable?
Hard to say yet
Haldex has been there for years🤷♂️🤷♂️
Are there any kits to convert the rear end of a mk7 to a mk8 including programming?
Those trees hurt man I've got the scars to prove it.
Has the video to service the magna diff been released ?
How many miles can people expect to get out of these new AWD diff.'s? (Daily Driving, not drifting & dragging... 🤔.
I wonder will the diesel awd models use haldex or this new system.
What happened to Charles's Mk3 Wookie?
As a former Magna closures test technician, I do NOT have confidence in that company’s engineers.
Those systems better last forever cuz I’m never taking them apart 😂😂.
I noticed Hankook tires on your car. What’s your experience with that brand?
If there is no center differential it is not all-wheel-drive. It is simply four-wheel-drive. Even if it is automatic
It’s cool for driving but from a service point of view. Don’t prefer it if what you say is true about the 3 sections that may be serviced with different fluids. Other than just VW diff fluid from a single fill and drain point.
Looking forward to the DIY as I’m just speculating from this video. Great video by the way. Much love
Lmao I thought i was the only one that said “R” like that 😂
Does the Mk.8 Alltrack have the AWD system from the Mk7 or the Mk8?
This is so similar to the focus rs
I was wondering, if it would still be possible to upgrade to a Wavetrac LSD, like with the Haldex system?
In the front you should be able to
Does the Mk8 Alltrack have the same system as the R or Haldex 5?
Would switching a haldex to the new awd system in an older golf r be worth/or even possible?
im also wondering if this is possible (to turn a MK1 TT into a 2.5T beast)
I drive kinda fast on my local twisty roads so I must be a race driver right?...... what? .....no?
i mean if that torque vectoring differential makes that big of a difference in handling, i genuinely would love to see a head to head gti vs r just in handling i know r is fasting off the line
Agree. With a good GTI autox set up you trail brake to get correct car angle through the corner. Using throttle to pull you out of the oversteered turn. Springs, dampening, sway bars, camber angles, toe angles, tire pressure all taken into account to get the rear to rotate the desired amount. My guess is a properly balance GTI with good driving technique would be much faster then this system at autox or a raceway. Big drift angles are generally slower unless it's a very lose surface or a very sharp turn. It's probably not as race practical and more a fun party trick.
As close as we got ua-cam.com/video/QcSDkGsWXOM/v-deo.html
Unless you are in road conditions that are extremely loose, slippery or just super crappy, a fwd is more than enough. I put a LSD in my GTI and it handles/drives great. It makes sense in Europe, where conditions favor AWD majority of the time. In U.S. few drive in those conditions. Maybe in the super northern areas, but then most of those people buy trucks. It’s just seems way to much to pay extra just for a few days a yr you might use it. But then some just need the bragging rights.
Helps in rain or snow. If tires slip, my Atlas shows "ESC intervene" ....it regains traction in seconds. Thats haldex. Its safer..🙏
Lmaoooo loved the comedy
Is this theoretically possible to swap in a 8V A3?
I just wish my MK7s Haldex worked :(
Fix it. We’ve got parts for you ; )