Dan has owned an amazing collection of gear. You failed to mention the Yamaha NS1000M’s in the one picture. I have a pair of those that in a couple of years I will be celebrating my 50th anniversary of owning those.
This was some follow-up on Dan's systems and I had mentioned the Yamaha's prior, so I skipped over them to focus on other gear. But either way, they are certainly worth mentioning! 50th Anniversary coming soon! :-)
The only thing bad about buying vintage equipment, (besides them sometimes not lasting that long after you buy them), is not usually getting the original owner's manual. I have a component here called a time delay unit from the 1970s/80s. It delays the stereo signal to the back channels where you have 2 speakers either behind you or off to your sides. So the front channel sound comes at you directly, .just like usual, but the same sound goes to the back channel speakers, but DELAYED less than a second. This simulates the delayed arrival times you'd get in a big listening space, where the sound takes longer to get there and then less than a second later the reflected sound bounces back and reaches your ears. If a small jazz club has walls only far away enough for the reflected bounce back sound to take a sixth of a second to get back to your ears, a huge cathedral's reflected sound, (after the direct first arrival sound), might take 3/4 of a second to bounce back and reach your ears. By delaying the back channels that same amount, it can fool your ears into thinking you are listening in a huge space. Or a bigger space than your room. There are choices via controls where you can choose anything from an intimate jazz club acoustic to a huge cathedral. The effect is very convincing and the bass fills the room more also, as it sounds like more of the bass wave length is being let out. In the deep bass, the bass wavelengths are 50 feet long.. The only thing is this thing has so many hook up terminals on the back, that it is hard to figure out how to hook it up, without a manual
It is quite cool seeing all three rare models lined up. Would be great if all speakers had clear models so we could see how they are built in order to more easily work on them! LOL
I remember when my ship was in dry dock in Long Beach in 1977 going to the Los Angeles County Fair and seeing Pioneer clear acrylic speakers at the technology building. I was fascinated and watched the woofer going in and out for about half an hour.
i always when see written long beach i remenber "...scream for me long beach! " at a live album in the 80´s, and "the rime of the ancient mariner..."(people screaming)in a hour i arrive at home and i´m gonna play it , if i still can hear it
Great video again Scott! Thanks again for showcasing some of the gear I have had over the years, sorry about the pic quality, I do have a better slr camera, but so much easier with the phone! lol One piece you forgot to mention in the last pic is my restored AU-20000! :) That is the main reason I sold my JVC stack (direct competition to Sony's ES and Pioneer's Elite lines) and those incredible Technics SB-E200s.. :( I really would like to meet up with you someday and talk about all the experiences we've had over the years! The pics I sent only scratch the surface, mind you a lot of the gear I have owned was MId-Fi at best! lol I am very pleased with my current setup, but I feel it unnecessary to own 2 TOTL Sansui Amp setups... I may have to let either the AU-20000 or the CA-2000/BA-5000 combo go. :( All of them have been completely restored by one of the best techs in Canada out of Nova Scotia! I'm not ready to do that just yet though! Cheers!
There's a Stanton cartridge on Dan's Sony turntable. Yay ! Hopefully it's a 681 moving iron series. Anyway the 681 has been my go to since 1978 and still is. My Technics SL-7 linear tracking close"n"play record player has a Stanton L747S cartridge. Basically a 681 as a p-mount TP4. That record player was pulled from a dumpster by fishing a cord out of a pile of junk. For as complicated it is it's certainly durable and reliable.
If those sound as good as they look👍They look substantial and handsomely distinguished for a lack of a better words. Back about 76 I had a pair of HPM 100s and in 79 I bought a pair of ESS AMT 3b Tower Monitors/Canada and from what I can tell they were called ESS AMT 3b Rock Monitors in the US. I found out not long ago that ESS is still alive only making variations of the Hiel Air Motion Transformer speakers for other manufactures. Also from what I can tell Covid nearly did ESS in and they stopped making speakers as such and managed to stay alive as mentioned. I am from the Okanagan Valley, BC Canada
Probably much easier to stay in business making components for several other speaker makers than trying to make your own. The TZ9 are very good speakers, indeed, I like them a lot which is why I used them as my reference.
Dan's black reel to reels remind me of a couple of Pioneer R/R. was in 77 I believe when my audio supplier. He brought in the bigger one first/Sticker price of $2,200 CAN - whack off about 25% for US price back then. It was stunningly beautiful and when he drove the tape at 3 1/2 inp it was literally seductive. In today's loot it would cost over $10,000 CAN. 😱I can now easily see why I did not buy it🤣
Back in the 1970s and 1980s Pioneer speakers were known for makibg sounds that real instrument didn't ever make....And drastically changing the sounds the instruments did make! In my less than sonically expertise youth, I remember saying to a guy next to me "Wow, I never heard even a real piano make a sound like that!...He looked at me kind of questioningly and said "But do you think that's good?" It made me think, and influenced my ideas on what a good speaker really is.
Re: the guy that asks how does he source all that audio equipment, if he does not live in a big city?...Whoa, you don't really think that mere distance would stop a collector such as this, do you? He travels. There is a famous story on the Audio Forums whee a guy travelled all the way from Washington D.C. to Minnesota for a pair of Dahlquist DQ 30 speakers. I wonder who did that? A speaker worth travelling for; but that far??? Would ANY speaker be worth travelling that far for, in sonic terms? I tried to imagine having a collection as big as Scott's. I think it would be interesting if a lot of it had a sound that was both accurate and offered something truly unique and special about its sound. But it would be mostly redundant. With truly accurate equipment, there couldn't be such degree of uniqueness and difference in the sound, or it wouldn't be accurate. If you had a large line of accurate speakers that covered nearly the full frequency range, there wouldn't be all that much difference in their sound. They would sound way more similar to each other (and music), than different. So with collecting audio equipment to that extent, I would reach a point and ask myself, what am I actually hoping to hear hearfrom something some day? And if I ever do hear it; it probably wouldn't be accurate. If I had a collection that large, the realization that there would not be enough time in life EVER, to spend even a few months sitting down & listening & getting to know even 1/4 of all that equipnent, listening to music on it. Of course some people collect for purely historic reasons, like people collect antiques. They don't usualky really use the antiques for anything; but looking at them.
By telling everyone and anyone that I am a collector. By constantly searching everywhere, everyday. Eventually, it starts to come back through friends, people I meet, etc.. I have some home made "business cards" I made with my contact information so they can reach out to me. And, I travel great distances. I've driven not far from your location (north of Boise, ID) across country to North Carolina. :-)
Alot going on in that crossover for sure. I don't think it's been messed with. It was hand wired point to point. Lots of inexpensive parts for an expensive speaker. An upgrade would certainly be a project for someone with experience. The rub would be upgrading the parts witout significantly changing the original voicing. It certainly would be an interesting challenge. Trial and error would be involved and much expense. Everything would need to be measured and the original crossover left completely intact so as it could be used as a reference and put back in to preserve its market value. Judging from the looks though an improvement could be possible.
After looking at it again, I agree, probably not touched. Some of the glue has let loose that makes it appear more disturbed. On the tweaking, as a collector, I frown on trying to tweak the crossover design to "improve" the sound. Unless, as you say, you build a separate crossover and keep the original to put back in or provide to a new buyer. If one were a book collector, you could change the words of a Mark Twain book in an effort to "improve" it. Some may like the "improved" version, some may not, but either way, it is no longer a Mark Twain book.
Edit: I just realized you stated the TZ7 which I do not have. Interesting they would cut corners a bit on the TOTL model. Agree, I find that a bit odd as well.
Hi Tom. I think they compete VERY well with modern speakers. Every speaker has compromises, these are no different, but overall, they are a fantastic all around speaker. If someone has the space, by all means.
Dan has owned an amazing collection of gear. You failed to mention the Yamaha NS1000M’s in the one picture. I have a pair of those that in a couple of years I will be celebrating my 50th anniversary of owning those.
This was some follow-up on Dan's systems and I had mentioned the Yamaha's prior, so I skipped over them to focus on other gear. But either way, they are certainly worth mentioning! 50th Anniversary coming soon! :-)
Love the viewer systems. The elite speakers are very interesting.
Thanks Steve! Always fun to see what others have or have had, so much great cool gear.
The only thing bad about buying vintage equipment, (besides them sometimes not lasting that long after you buy them), is not usually getting the original owner's manual. I have a component here called a time delay unit from the 1970s/80s. It delays the stereo signal to the back channels where you have 2 speakers either behind you or off to your sides. So the front channel sound comes at you directly, .just like usual, but the same sound goes to the back channel speakers, but DELAYED less than a second. This simulates the delayed arrival times you'd get in a big listening space, where the sound takes longer to get there and then less than a second later the reflected sound bounces back and reaches your ears. If a small jazz club has walls only far away enough for the reflected bounce back sound to take a sixth of a second to get back to your ears, a huge cathedral's reflected sound, (after the direct first arrival sound), might take 3/4 of a second to bounce back and reach your ears. By delaying the back channels that same amount, it can fool your ears into thinking you are listening in a huge space. Or a bigger space than your room. There are choices via controls where you can choose anything from an intimate jazz club acoustic to a huge cathedral. The effect is very convincing and the bass fills the room more also, as it sounds like more of the bass wave length is being let out. In the deep bass, the bass wavelengths are 50 feet long..
The only thing is this thing has so many hook up terminals on the back, that it is hard to figure out how to hook it up, without a manual
@@sidesup8286 I agree. I’ve had several crap out.
Very cool!
It is quite cool seeing all three rare models lined up. Would be great if all speakers had clear models so we could see how they are built in order to more easily work on them! LOL
I remember when my ship was in dry dock in Long Beach in 1977 going to the Los Angeles County Fair and seeing Pioneer clear acrylic speakers at the technology building. I was fascinated and watched the woofer going in and out for about half an hour.
I recall seeing them as well. It certainly drew attention.
i always when see written long beach i remenber "...scream for me long beach! " at a live album in the 80´s, and "the rime of the ancient mariner..."(people screaming)in a hour i arrive at home and i´m gonna play it , if i still can hear it
. Interesting topic with excellent narration. Thanks & well done 👍
Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
Thanks!
Great video again Scott! Thanks again for showcasing some of the gear I have had over the years, sorry about the pic quality, I do have a better slr camera, but so much easier with the phone! lol
One piece you forgot to mention in the last pic is my restored AU-20000! :) That is the main reason I sold my JVC stack (direct competition to Sony's ES and Pioneer's Elite lines) and those incredible Technics SB-E200s.. :(
I really would like to meet up with you someday and talk about all the experiences we've had over the years! The pics I sent only scratch the surface, mind you a lot of the gear I have owned was MId-Fi at best! lol I am very pleased with my current setup, but I feel it unnecessary to own 2 TOTL Sansui Amp setups... I may have to let either the AU-20000 or the CA-2000/BA-5000 combo go. :( All of them have been completely restored by one of the best techs in Canada out of Nova Scotia!
I'm not ready to do that just yet though!
Cheers!
There's a Stanton cartridge on Dan's Sony turntable. Yay ! Hopefully it's a 681 moving iron series. Anyway the 681 has been my go to since 1978 and still is. My Technics SL-7 linear tracking close"n"play record player has a Stanton L747S cartridge. Basically a 681 as a p-mount TP4. That record player was pulled from a dumpster by fishing a cord out of a pile of junk. For as complicated it is it's certainly durable and reliable.
I have several Stanton 681 as well, even some NOS stylus for them. I also like them quite a lot.
If those sound as good as they look👍They look substantial and handsomely distinguished for a lack of a better words. Back about 76 I had a pair of HPM 100s and in 79 I bought a pair of ESS AMT 3b Tower Monitors/Canada and from what I can tell they were called ESS AMT 3b Rock Monitors in the US. I found out not long ago that ESS is still alive only making variations of the Hiel Air Motion Transformer speakers for other manufactures. Also from what I can tell Covid nearly did ESS in and they stopped making speakers as such and managed to stay alive as mentioned. I am from the Okanagan Valley, BC Canada
Probably much easier to stay in business making components for several other speaker makers than trying to make your own. The TZ9 are very good speakers, indeed, I like them a lot which is why I used them as my reference.
Thanks so much for doing this I really enjoy your channel, so nice to see all this old equipment that I lusted after in my youth and later
Glad you enjoy it!
Dan's black reel to reels remind me of a couple of Pioneer R/R. was in 77 I believe when my audio supplier. He brought in the bigger one first/Sticker price of $2,200 CAN - whack off about 25% for US price back then. It was stunningly beautiful and when he drove the tape at 3 1/2 inp it was literally seductive. In today's loot it would cost over $10,000 CAN. 😱I can now easily see why I did not buy it🤣
Back in the 1970s and 1980s Pioneer speakers were known for makibg sounds that real instrument didn't ever make....And drastically changing the sounds the instruments did make! In my less than sonically expertise youth, I remember saying to a guy next to me "Wow, I never heard even a real piano make a sound like that!...He looked at me kind of questioningly and said "But do you think that's good?"
It made me think, and influenced my ideas on what a good speaker really is.
Re: the guy that asks how does he source all that audio equipment, if he does not live in a big city?...Whoa, you don't really think that mere distance would stop a collector such as this, do you? He travels. There is a famous story on the Audio Forums whee a guy travelled all the way from Washington D.C. to Minnesota for a pair of Dahlquist DQ 30 speakers. I wonder who did that? A speaker worth travelling for; but that far??? Would ANY speaker be worth travelling that far for, in sonic terms?
I tried to imagine having a collection as big as Scott's. I think it would be interesting if a lot of it had a sound that was both accurate and offered something truly unique and special about its sound. But it would be mostly redundant. With truly accurate equipment, there couldn't be such degree of uniqueness and difference in the sound, or it wouldn't be accurate. If you had a large line of accurate speakers that covered nearly the full frequency range, there wouldn't be all that much difference in their sound. They would sound way more similar to each other (and music), than different. So with collecting audio equipment to that extent, I would reach a point and ask myself, what am I actually hoping to hear hearfrom something some day? And if I ever do hear it; it probably wouldn't be accurate. If I had a collection that large, the realization that there would not be enough time in life EVER, to spend even a few months sitting down & listening & getting to know even 1/4 of all that equipnent, listening to music on it. Of course some people collect for purely historic reasons, like people collect antiques. They don't usualky really use the antiques for anything; but looking at them.
I think you have confirmed a few times, you are not a collector of items, moreso a collector of experiences. :-)
never saw those speakers and i have several speakers from Pioneer
Curious: If you don't live in a large city how do you source your collection of vintage audio equipment?
By telling everyone and anyone that I am a collector. By constantly searching everywhere, everyday. Eventually, it starts to come back through friends, people I meet, etc.. I have some home made "business cards" I made with my contact information so they can reach out to me. And, I travel great distances. I've driven not far from your location (north of Boise, ID) across country to North Carolina. :-)
@@stereoniche My location is Vernon, BC
Alot going on in that crossover for sure. I don't think it's been messed with. It was hand wired point to point. Lots of inexpensive parts for an expensive speaker. An upgrade would certainly be a project for someone with experience. The rub would be upgrading the parts witout significantly changing the original voicing. It certainly would be an interesting challenge. Trial and error would be involved and much expense. Everything would need to be measured and the original crossover left completely intact so as it could be used as a reference and put back in to preserve its market value. Judging from the looks though an improvement could be possible.
After looking at it again, I agree, probably not touched. Some of the glue has let loose that makes it appear more disturbed. On the tweaking, as a collector, I frown on trying to tweak the crossover design to "improve" the sound. Unless, as you say, you build a separate crossover and keep the original to put back in or provide to a new buyer. If one were a book collector, you could change the words of a Mark Twain book in an effort to "improve" it. Some may like the "improved" version, some may not, but either way, it is no longer a Mark Twain book.
The back side on the tz7-ltd is finished in piano black kind of interesting that the tz9-ltd is not.
Edit: I just realized you stated the TZ7 which I do not have. Interesting they would cut corners a bit on the TOTL model. Agree, I find that a bit odd as well.
In your opinion- do these speakers sound good compared to today’s speakers?
Hi Tom. I think they compete VERY well with modern speakers. Every speaker has compromises, these are no different, but overall, they are a fantastic all around speaker. If someone has the space, by all means.
Acrylic enclosure with no internal damping. Eeeeeyuck sound.
Indeed. I was always a little surprised by those that wanted a set of acrylic HPM-100 to actually put into a system. 😱
@@stereoniche I have seen radio shack and other speakers like this. Looks cool, sounds horrible,