It's really rigorous. They have it both in app and book form. It's a lot of problem solving. It's really challenging for my daughter we have used it as a supplement but it can be a whole program.
Singapore Math Live is the online help we use. It is a subscription based tutor with lessons taught by a high school math teacher. The first 3 weeks of lessons you can view for free. It also helps with the breakdown of daily lessons which has been my biggest challenge with singapore this far. I just want the lessons planned out for me with page numbers etc. Haha!
I used Teaching Textbooks up until Pre Algebra, and up until that point, I liked it. It didn't take very long, I could get it done quickly, and they generally explained things pretty well. Then Pre Algebra came around, and it was either moving wayyyy too slow, or making things twice as complicated as they needed to be. It was a long time ago so I don't remember specific examples, but I remember that it made you show your work and you were supposed to do it their way... even if you got the answer right. I hated that. My mother would also frequently mark questions wrong, only for me to protest and when checked with a calculator (this was elementary math so it was very straightforward) I would be right. All of this made me very frustrated in math. So halfway through TT Pre Algebra, I quit. Then I started doing Classical Conversations Challenge A. I had a friend who did Saxon and that was what CC recommended, so I thought maybe it would work better for me. I tried Saxon 8/7. It had WAYY too many problems, drill and kill approach, and (for me at least) a ridiculous amount of review. Which was a problem with TT too... (if you're in Pre Algebra and need to review place values, maybe you shouldn't be in pre algebra....) I had never hated math more in my life. Then my mom found Life of Fred. So, on my third try of the same grade math, I found the perfect curriculum. I started in LoF pre algebra 0 with physics, skipped pre algebra 1 and 2, did Algebra 1, 2 and now i'm on geometry. I love math now, it's fun, it's engaging, it's explained so much better, no drill and kill, and no more constant review of concepts I had known for years. I'm definitely going to continue with it, do trig this year, calculus next year, and linear algebra and statistics after that. The other thing is I am very much self taught. My mother has never in my life 'taught me' math. I learn by reading, so if I have a half-decent textbook I'll teach myself. Just my 2 cents as a student. Sincerely, a Life of Fred fan for life!
I'm only a minute in, but Hallelujah, sister. I love the way you started it out with acknowledging the Almighty. Okay now I'm gonna finish watching the rest.
We loooooved Singapore Math. It’s best taught from the beginning, starting with 1A so that no concepts are missed, in my opinion. My son did one year of Singapore math in second grade. At the end of 2nd grade, we had him tested. He passed what was equivalent to the 8th grade Texas star test!
@@Spurhope The common core edition is aligned to common core standards. The earlier editions (US and state standard) are older than common core and therefore not.
A lot of people don't know this about TT but the first level, Math 3 is actually 2nd grade math. So, for instance when you are in 3rd you do Math 4 and so on. I figured this out very quickly because when we started with TT the oldest had just finished 2A and 2B of Singapore and I realized what she was learning in Math 3 was 2nd grade math. So, we skipped to Math 4 for 3rd grade, and we were back on track
Thank you for this video! Singapore does have an entire online math program with video lessons. It is called Singapore Live. The gal that leads the lessons is really nice and very knowledgable.
I have been wrestling with the math cirric for about 6 months. I like singapore for my oldest 2. It's not working for my middle kiddo and my kinder guy I'm not sure about yet. Your video was TREMENDOUSLY helpful thank you for taking the time to compare these.
You’re so welcome!! I’m so glad I can share my experiences to bless others!! I hope you find what works soon!! I’ve also heard good things about Horizon math. It’s a spiral approach and very colorful. And the good and the beautiful math looks like fun! But I also think that one looks a little more teacher intensive. But if I, personally, was searching (and the above 3 didn’t fit us), I’d probably look at those next. ;)
This was the last review I watched on these Math programs. I wished I had saved myself the time and just watched this first! This was by far the most helpful and unbiased. Thank you!
We've never tried Singapore but I think my mom would actually really like it. It's a running joke in our family about how much my parents love math and give it priority in our homeschool. For example, I took trig and calculus in high school...and then went on to get a B.A. instead of the engineering degree my parents had prepared me very well for. hahaha, oh, kids!
Oh boy!!! Wow! Calculus! That’s quite an academic accomplishment! I did pre-calculus in HS (public school) and was like, “there it is.....I’ve hit the limit of my mathematical aptitude!” Lol! I can’t think in three dimensions. 😜 Maybe if I’d been homeschooled, right?!?!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I actually hated Calculus and that was one of the things that led me away from studying engineering. haha! But...curriculum pickings were VERY slim at the time and all I had was an Abeka textbook. We already have Life of Fred Calc for my youngest sister to take in her senior year, it's a gigantic improvement. I have considered using Singapore for my own boys when they are old enough..we're still a couple years away from "real homeschool" for them.
Love this video. Always wondered about Singapore Math. I guess we are old school a bit 😂 because we have used Bob Jones Math DLO the last 3 years which is crazy expensive but uses the fact families like you mentioned for Singapore. Definitely spiral but not over the top like Saxon. Also definitely a grade ahead. My 2nd grader is learning multiplication currently. Loved by my kiddos. Also LOVE xtramath too. Great resource!
We've pretty much only used Singapore K-5, and it's worked well for everyone so far. I had 2 kids just finish 5B, and they had SO many more questions for this year, so I'm ready to switch online. They placed into Math 7 with Teaching Textbooks.
I hated math in school until I got to trig. I loved, loved, loved, trig. I like Singapore Math. I think fewer people would be scared of math having learned to think through it that way compared to the touch math I was taught.
True! The reason some countries far exceed the US in math skills is how it’s taught. And those students/people probably don’t have the same “relationship” with math as many in the US seem to. I hear you in the hatred of math. I wouldn’t say I hated it. But it was NOT my favorite subject, even though it was one of my best subjects. It was boring and monotonous, right?
Thanks for making this! I am pulling my son out of public school once this year ends and have been trying to compare Saxon, Singapore, and Abeka math for him for next school year. I’m leaning towards Singapore after watching because of the progression after mastery. 😄
You’re so welcome!!! Singapore is excellent. (So is Abeka and Saxon! :) you can’t go wrong with either) Abeka does become too much in high school. Lot of busy work. In high school, (and also maybe 8th grade for pre-algebra) I recommend Shormann math all the way! So tuck that but of info away for later. 😉
I'm so glad you had good things to say about TTB because as a first time homeschool mom, math and science, have been the two hardest subjects to choose curriculum for. I chose TGTB math for my 2nd grader, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to start off with TTB for my 9th grader. So many conflicting opinions, but 9 out of 10 moms that I've heard from, who have tried TTB, recommend it. Thanks for sharing your experience.
It’s so hard to make informed decisions with other peoples opinions. And even after I made this video, I thought more about it and thought, I think the moms who said TT wasn’t strong, probably had never used it. They were probably comparing students they knew who had used that vs Saxon. And students who’s parents choose TT (that I know) tend towards the creative side and literature. So it makes sense that they would not choose Saxon which is very boring to look at. And very to the point with drills and lots of drills. TT is a little more fun which helps those creative thinkers process math. 😉 But I recently went to a homeschool conference where MULTIPLE moms praised TT!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I am well versed in math. I work as an engineer, and I think the teaching textbook is amazing. I don't believe one bit it is for kids who are not going to be studying math in the future. It is engaging, fun, and still really good for the most part. My son loves math and I don't even mind the repetition, to be honest. Since my son is really great with Math, my goal is to just get through all the levels as quickly as possible. He is 7. I don't mind if we start precalculus and algebra when he turns 8.
Thank you so much for this review. You really went into the concepts behind the curriculum and included examples. This is exactly the type of review I was looking for.
You’re welcome! I try really hard NOT just make a video for the sake of making them, but to add value that will be helpful for you. And I often answer questions that I, MYSELF, would ask if I were researching! So I’m glad you found it helpful!
There is on Outschool teacher who teaches Singapore Dimensions and Saxon classes (which is what brought me to your video. We are using Saxon trying to look for next year. Her name is Katie Fallon. She was great this year with Saxon 5/4.
This is the most helpful video, thank you so much! I watched this with my son after narrowing our choices down to these three and it helped us to decide.
It does get a lot of hate. It’s not for every student, but the students it’s for, it does the job just fine! And it’s DEFINITELY a time saver for mom!!
For challenging math for middle school/junior high and above, try Art of Problem Solving. They also make Beast Academy for younger grades as a precursor.
Thank you for this extremely helpful video, we are transitioning from Singapore Math to Saxon and wanted to understand more. We don’t have a choice due to school curriculum but definitely find that mastery of concepts helps build the foundation. Also understanding the concepts taught are very important vs just regurgitating the memorised formula because questions get progressive more challenging in the upper grades and understanding concepts help to solve these questions.
We did Singapore Math and switched to Saxon for 8/7 in 8th grade as well! She went from struggling to A's! All that review helps! And they say if you get 80% or better you can do half of the 1-30 lessons! My daughter finally enjoys math! What are you doing for Algebra 1?!
As a homeschooling mom I appreciate your explanation of these different programs. It can be trial and error. Which can end up being a waste of money and VERY valuable Time.
Thank you! I try to give the kind of Info I would want to know if I were looking b. Too often I find reviews from curriculum that aren’t specific like, “it was good. We really like it. It works well for my kid.” But that doesn’t tell me how it works. 😉 or maybe what the pros and cons are. I’m glad you found this helpful.
Haha, this made me laugh. I know some people rave about Saxon, but we tried it and it was the most dry and uninteresting math - my son cringed at the thought. So we switched to an online class, but I am leaning toward Singapore for my girls because it is a mastery style, which I think is a better way to teach children. Of course, we are all different, right? So I may pick up a couple resources and use them together.
lol!!! I think I agree with you. We switched my high schooler to Dr Shormann’s actual math curriculum this year bc Saxon is just not our cup of tea. 😜 I hope you enjoy Singapore better!
Thank you for this video! I’m a homeschooling mom of 4 girls and we love Singapore math. My younger two finished 6A and 6B this past school year and now we are struggling to decide what to do next. My older two girls recently graduated college and I can’t remember what I did the year after Singapore math with them (I had a serious illness for two years and it was during that time). I will say that both started taking college classes in 9th grade and both graduated with high honors with an associate degree while still in high school, and I honestly believe Singapore math thoroughly prepared them for college math courses. What is your opinion for a math curriculum post Singapore 6B? I’ve looked at pre-Algebra in Saxon, Math U See, Math in Focus, Dimensions, Teaching Textbooks… I’m overwhelmed and I definitely want to choose something that prepares them for advanced math and the ACT/SAT in the future.
I’d look into Shormann math. It’s online and graded by him like teaching textbooks. But Shormann is more advanced. And he has courses through calculus! My son did algebra 1 this year which was also a 1/2 credit of geometry. So After algebra 2 next year, he’ll have 3 math credits already. Shormann starts in pre-algebra. We discovered him bc he also teaches Saxon but I still have to grade it which is why we switched. And we like Shormann’s own course better. So check it out. Just Google Shormann math. :)
Thank you so much for this great comparison! I've been currently racking my brain over math Curr for my 4th grader. We have used Singapore the last 2 years and parts not all have been a struggle. My 7th grader just transitioned to Saxon 8/7 he completed Singapore 6A/6B last year. He did well with Singapore but he is more math minded. Having your description of each of these helped point us to some other options that will hopefully bring more smiles during math😁
Our private school uses Singapore, and I'm pulling my daughter out and moving to TGATB math...I cannot stand Singapore math. In saying that though, my son had a few struggles with it but for the most part, he got it and he is amazing at mental math. He can do math in his head far better than I ever could, so it obviously does something. I think it's so highly dependent on the kid. It's not for my daughter at all, but it did just fine for my son.
It definitely focused on mental math. Yes. And I don’t disagree with you....it’s not easy for every child. They all learn differently, so if there is another math that works better for her individual needs...go for it. That’s why all three of mine are using different curriculums. That’s what I love so much about homeschooling. Tailoring the education to the child, instead of the child to the education. 😉
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Yes! I'm so excited about it, my daughter has dyslexia which is likely why some curriculums just don't work for her. I'm looking forward to homeschooling her even when I thought I'd never homeschool...I'm so amazed by all the things out there for homeschooling now.
@@KristyStill it can be overwhelming with all the choices. So my advice is if you CAN sample something first, or buy a smaller quantity to try...do it. Because I’ve jumped in head first on many curriculums only to find out they aren’t working well for a particular child. (I bought like bulk sets of a curriculum-a couple years worth...to save on a bundle cost. And then never used it. :(. I’ve done this to save on shipping also. “Oh, I’ll just buy all the set and have it for this year and next year.” Don’t do that. You never know what might change. Curriculum should work for both child and mom!
Hi! Do you know about Nicole. the Math Lady? She teaches all the Saxon math lessons and also has the grading and instant feedback options. Kids LOVE it. :)
Very helpful! Thank you so much for making this video. I use the ACE curriculum and it has worked wonders for my 8 year old, but we just discovered my 6 year old has Dyslexia and has mostly forgotten everything he learned because he didn’t “experience” it as some dyslexics need. I appreciate the review for Teaching Textbooks because I was wondering if it would be more engaging for him. But now I think Singapore math might be better for him. Either way THANK YOU🥰 God Bless
My 15 year old son with discalculia does great with TT over any other curriculums. He used to fight me on math big time and now he just gets it done. He does get a bit annoyed at the spiral sometimes, but with a weaker memory, it is necessary and I have to look into it more, but you can skip around a bit. Not sure if only part of a lesson can be done, though. That would be a nice addition. My son did 2 levels in one year. But, he is kind of playing catch up, currently. He's doing great, though. I know discalculia and dyslexia are a bit different, but similar, too. So, yeah. I did hear from many that Algebra is questionable through them, though. I did Saxon myself 7-12 grade in public school and it was okay I also have discalculia. But, definitely on the dull side and I wish there was more explanation in the book itself as we didn't have internet and I'd forget the lesson and cry over my homework. I think with videos it makes it much better. But, I'll have it as a backup plan for Algebra and higher. I personally liked taking Math 8/7 and Algebra 1/2 and found differences good enough fo me. But, I am weak in math.
We use and LOVE Math Lessons for a Living Education. We’ve tried Horizons, Saxon (elementary levels) & Christian Light Education. We love the short, effective lessons & my kids are retaining math for probably the first time. 😀
I’ve never looked at any of these!! There’s definitely no shortage of curriculum choices these days. Think 30 years ago....you had, Abeka.....or Bob Jones. Take your pick! 😜😜😜 (maybe others but those are the ones I think of as being around for awhile) I’m glad you’ve got something that works!! Whatever makes it stick is a winner!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan it is masterfully both!!! Some feel MB math is "behind" but it teaches concepts when (most) children are developmentally ready to learn them, so it starts very slow, but it gives a very solid foundation to basic math. The goal is for students to master concepts/skills in one level before moving on to the next level. However, within each level and throughout all the levels the concepts spiral through for constant review. The lessons are so simple & short, yet extremely effective. Your child moves through "levels" and not "grades". So to begin MLFLE, you want your child to take a placement test to know what level to place them in. The first few lessons are always review of the previous level, so often times children will "speed" through those lessons and then they slow down once they hit new material. The last few lessons are "review lessons" as well so the child may speed back up in those lessons as well. And then there is review all through the "middle lessons" as well. There are 36 weeks of lessons with 5 days per week for a total of 180 lessons. It is a phenomenal math curriculum for all students (I believe) but it has been the only thing to work and help my kids with special needs/learning differences make any kind of progress in math! We are using levels 2 & 3 this year!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I would say that if you really want your child in a STEM career or if you have to do testing then Math Lessons for A Living Education is not the best choice. I know a lot of people who regret using it and are now playing catch up and trying to fix gaps. Five of them always used one level ahead but they now regret using it at all. The consensus is that they love the lessons but it was all a waste. There are some videos on UA-cam about that or even forums on Well Trained Mind.
Thank you for this review! We have tried Right Start and Rod and Staff in the past. My 6th grade daughter hates the inductive reasoning required in Right Start and I felt that Rod and Staff was not rigorous enough. I think Singapore will be our best bet to try next since screens tend to distract and confuse her.
We started with Singapore and loved it. We switched to TT after a few years though because I needed them to have the lectures for things I couldn't teach. I learned along with them, and they have excelled in math. The only thing we struggled a little with was some of the more difficult fractions, but we finally mastered it and now both my 5th and 7th graders will be doing Pre-Algebra this year. We've never tried Saxon
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Yes. I would watch the lecture with them and then we would discuss the various problems together. I wanted to know what they were learning in case they had questions
They seem to pick up math very quickly though. We also do CC and they were very good at memorizing all the math facts so that helped a lot. The only thing I don't like about TT is they spend too much time reviewing stuff they already know so we usually skip ahead and spend more time on the areas that are new or more difficult.
@@CharityC1370 it’s funny you say they review too much because my daughter doesn’t seem to be retaining much. But I don’t sit right next to here either. The reason I chose teaching textbooks was to free up a subject for me. :(
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I guess I am more hands on then most, but I really needed a refresher when it came to reducing and converting fractions. I would even watch the lecture on my own the night before to make sure I could assist when needed. However, they just seem to pick up on math quickly. They had a very good foundation with Singapore before starting TT. We shall see how it goes with Pre-Algebra this year. They are both doing it so we will all work together.
Thank you for this review. So helpful! We have been using CLE. It is also spiral and advanced. My question is how teacher intensive each program you reviewed is for the grade 3-4 and up. My problem now is that there is not enough of me to go around for all 4 of my school age kid’s independent work
Yes that’s an issue and it’s more an issue with the grade level than the program. But I’d say teaching textbook is the LEAST teacher intensive since the online version actually does the teaching. Singapore and saxon would probably require teacher, unless your child more gifted and can learn from a textbook on their own. Singapore and Saxon require the textbook for learning. I hope that helps.
I did Singapore math as a teenager when we lived in Singapore for a year. I’ve yet to use it for my kids tho. I didn’t do primary Singapore math and we bought it in the country!!! We don’t teach to test but for real life. In Singapore, Singapore math goes up to high school. When my kids are ready for a new math topic we move on and we can go back to review if needed!!! I used Singapore math before online help existed. We have math ppl in our family as well!!! Saxon looks like Kahn academy science that we stopped using.I’ve been told that my daughter needs strong basic math skills but not much more. I knew she needed strong math but I didn’t know that it was just basic math but be good at it. This is making me think about using Singapore math with my kids!!!
The thing with math is you have to understand concepts and how numbers work. Then you can do any math. I tested into Calculus in college, but I was like, “nope!” I don’t need that level to do what I intended to do. So I think the levels depend on where your kids is headed. If they’re going to be an engineer, they’ll need very strong math skills. If they are going to be a landscaper, they just need to know how do basic geometry and adding, and maybe accounting if they’ll own a business. 😉 (btw-geometry helps also with playing a game of pool! 😜😜😜)
Great video! Thank! I am considering Saxon and Singapore, so this was SO helpful! Also, love those foam base ten manipulatives. From where did you get those?
Unfortunately there is something to the criticism of TT. My son used it one year, retained nothing and we lost a year in math. I don't understand how it is possible because he usually got 100s on his lessons. If you use it make sure to check in periodically and have your child explain what they are doing and have them do math on paper also. I'm sure it works well for some kids, but others just don't retain well with this program.
@@homeschoolresourceswithnad186 I think a lot of that depends on your child. I have a video about language lessons for a living education 5 that will show you what’s inside that. It’s short lessons. But I’ve also used the good and the beautiful language lessons 6. A different approach...includes sentence diagramming, more editing practicing and writing and also art. I’ve also used IEW for writing. It’s very good and a great systematic approach and how to write all types of papers. And I’ve used IEW Fix It grammar....again...short little lessons. Effective. All are very good choices!
Would you say I could jump into Singapore Math for level 5?? We were using something else and I’m ready to switch. Or is Singapore better if we started from the beginning?
Oh boy!! I’m. It sure on this one bc we’ve done it from the beginning. I think it depends on the type of learner your child is. Level 5 is when they start introducing pre-algebra concepts. If you did want to try Singapore, I’d definitely take the placement. Level 5 is when my son started struggling (probably bc I was pushing him too hard….at that time, I didn’t realize pre-alg is actually ahead of other math curriculums.). That probably wasn’t much help. But if your child is a math wiz….maybe???
I have so many questions about math🥴 My children are in advanced math (6th and 3rd). My 6th grader definitely was taught by his amazing gifted teacher and she taught a lot of mental math and 10s grouping numbers so I think Singapore math will be excellent for him. I am stuck on primary or dimensions because while my kids are math people, their mom (me!) am not a math person ( their dad is though) so online lessons would be awesome. Dimensions going into the higher grades is also a plus. Ah decisions!!!
If you have a gifted sixth grader, keep Shormann math in mind, also. Shormann has his own math program. My high schooler is using it and it’s advanced also. I think it starts in pre-algebra. It’s all online and graded for you (like teaching textbooks)
The lack of thorough multiplication introduction. It’s relying too heavily on musical multiplication without thoroughly explaining the concept. No arrays and very little grouping exercises. The original math taught it well for my oldest son, so I assumed this version was going to be thorough as well. It’s very different!
My daughter has used Teaching Textbooks in middle school. The lessons were not complex and did not challenge her adequately. As a result, she became bored and wanted to end the sessions quickly. The graphics were juvenile, even in late middle school. The attempt at visual engagement was offputting. We spent too much time progressing through the graphics and not enough time on the content itself.
The manipulatives are for the hands…🤣 Excellent help to understand Singapore math. I’ve always wondered. Thank you! I see so many similarities btwn how we teach math with tens and ones rods. I also think I learned a lot like Singapore teaches with making 10 and number families. I’m gonna check it out. I’ve heard Saxon is boring. Thank you for sharing. My kid is math minded, we need to go and not doddle. They get bored and sometimes become overwhelmed with a ton of problems to solve. And I’ve been thinking g about Singapore! 👍 We used apologia math 2, turned a math lover into a math loather. My heart was so sad. Time to switch!
Thank you for the video! Very helpful. I am against the wall on this math curriculum. I really wanted to do traditional math, such as Saxon, with my kids this year (first time homeschooling). Now that I have been doing more research, I seen how all these curriculums work. It seems to me that what my kids learned in public school (common core) it is more aligned with Singapore math (except a little more faster paced than public school though math concepts are the same). Which now it puts me in a hard spot, Singapore would be a better fit for them since they are very familiar with number bond system and have done very well with math. Though the math is not my strong suit and I was really looking forward to the scripted Saxon's teacher guide. If any one has experience pulling their kids from public school and are using any of these curriculums, any tips?
I haven’t seen any comments about pulling kids from public school to Singapore. But I have seen a few comments about online programs that align with Singapore. If you scroll through the comments, you may some other suggestions. I can’t remember off the top of my head which programs. And I’m not familiar with common core. I know Singapore has a common core aligned edition. So it may different.
@@OREALPERKINS there is information and research that suggests that kids can learn ALL math in high school. Meaning….if you never taught anything….by the time they are more mature and ready, they will excel. So don’t feel pressure like your kids are so far behind. You definitely don’t want to burn them out. Having said that..,if they are soaking it up and excelling already with the new curriculum, go at their pace. Let them do their thing. 😉 but Singapore jams a whole lot into a few years. My oldest didn’t necessarily complete both A and B books every year and he’s doing fine now! Infact, his math improved a TON this year. And I think it’s because his brain was just ready. 😉
TT and Singapore and very different. You’re going to get what you need with TT. Infact, if your student is doing well, maybe they do more than 1 lesson a day and go faster?
Love this comparison review! I've watched it a few times already! What will you/ do you use once you've completed all the levels of of Singapore? We're currently using Math U See & I'm looking to either add or switch to Singapore and then I guess continue with MUS once Singapore ends... Thank you!
I think it depends on the level my daughter is at. I’m loving Shormann math. It’s very similar to teaching textbooks in that it’s all online and teaches and tracks the grading for me. But it’s more adnavced. It can start with pre-algebra. Alg 1 also included 1/2 credit of geometry which is finished in Alg 2. So by the time the high schooler finishes Alg 2, they’ll actually have 3 math credits which is a BONUS!! But if my child struggles with math and isn’t likely headed towards a career that needs a strong math foundation, we may go to teaching textbooks. But one of those for sure.
For Primary Singapore...do you recommend the US edition. I feel like it's so hard to figure out what to get for Singapore. Looking for my soon to be "second" grader who is decent at math but gets bored.
The US edition is the only one I’ve used. It’s funny bc in the story problems...some of the names are NOT American at all. Infact, I’ve never seen them before seeing them in this math program 😜 but other than that....
Hello I just stumbled upon your channel and you have put the comparison in a very way. That was great help. Now this video is little old do you have any thoughts on good and beautiful math ?
Great explanation. I had no idea. My high schooler is really struggling with the spiral style of teaching textbooks. Any high school level mastery curriculum suggestions?
I’m not sure on this one, honestly. The three I know about are all spiral. My son is currently using Dr Shormann’s OWN math course from Diveintomath.com My son loves dr Shormann and we do prefer his math over Saxon. His site also grades etc similar to Teaching Textbooks. However, it might still be spiral. I have a brother who is a math teacher (who also homeschools his kids) He loves. Mathhelp.com Not sure what approach that is. I’ve heard lots and lots of feedback to steer clear of Abeka math in high school. My bro, the math teacher, likes it fro grade school, but not high school. Too much busy work snd not as strong is his opinion. That’s the extent of my knowledge on high school math! 😉
Saving my daughters and my relationship! 😜 just needing to have another teacher for her bc we were hitting a roadblock and her “getting it” was stalled. TTB is spiral. So I thought the more frequent review would also help her.
This is a helpful comparison. We are finishing up Singapore Math 5B. My child is mathematically inclined and has some good concept of algebra/pre-algebra. I feel like I may have to skip SM 6 or just go through very quickly and I was thinking we will dive right into pre-algebra so I came across looking into Saxon Math. (AoPs is a great program but feels like has a lot of holes teaching the foundational concept.) We don't like spiral approach! Would it still be the best option for middle school and high school level? Thank you.
You might look at Shormann math online. That’s who my son took this year for saxon. But Shormann has his own high school program. I’m not sure if it’s mastery or spiral but my son likes him. And his online program grades for you and keeps track of those grades. He might have a placement test. You could also take placement test of teaching textbooks and see where your child lands. I recently found out that the reason TT sometimes gets a rep for being not as challenging is bc people still think in grade levels rather than math levels. TT just advances you, building the solid foundation, but they advance you at your child’s level. They have a free 15 day trial also! That could be very helpful. Maybe your child WOULD place right into pre-Algebra !
This is such an awesome video! Thank you! I'm on the fence about which math to do. We are new homeschoolers this year and doing Saxon and it's torture. I'm pretty sure we will go with Singapore next year. Currently, we are using Saxon 5/4 and saxon 3 with my two boys. What level for singapore math should we use next year?
That’s hard to say. You should check and see if Singapore has a placement test or browse their table of contents and decide. When my son finished Saxon 3, I put him in Singapore 2A but I should’ve placed him bc it was too easy for him. And he flew through it.
I wouldn’t say that Singapore 6 is 6th grade (compared to other math curriculums). By the time you get to Singapore 5, it’s really getting into pre-Algebra concepts. So if you complete Singapore 6, whatever math curriculum you may switch to for middle school or high school, I’d definitely take a placement test. Your child may be further along than you realize. So easy transition….hmmm…. Easy is such a relative term. 😜 My son, this year did Shormann math. He used Shormann WITH Saxon (as I showed in this video) but Shormann has his actual math curriculum and I didn’t realize that Shormann math starts with ore-algebra also. I’m not sure if he has a placement test or not. But I think Shormann math is SOLID! For Algebra 1 this year, there were things that I didn’t remember. It’s very challenging which is good. The nice thing about Shormann is it does it all for Mom, including keeping track of grades. So it teaches, has online tests and even review games…and then it keeps the grade book for you. I hope that helps.
It depends on how fast you go through it but could be Per semester. Each book is generally $15ish. If you also want a home instructor guide, that could be extra. I never bought that. I used the textbook as my guide for teaching. But it would be helpful for somebody who’s not sure how to guide the lesson. It would give you suggestions for how to utilize the manipulatives. So the instructor guide cost, I don’t think I added. So yeah, I guess it could be about $120 if that guide is $30/level. You could probably find those used, though. Since they aren’t written in like the workbooks
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When you did Singapore math, did you do the workbook also with your child? Or did you just do the textbook? I have been teaching Singapore math (the new dimensions math curriculum) to my 4th grader and she gets frustrated by the time we get to the second half of workbook. She thinks the textbook + workbook in each session is too much for her. But I think her concepts won’t be as strong if she skipped the extra practice in workbook
When we first started, I actually followed lesson plans given by My Fathers World. It included both, but not necessarily on the same days. After awhile, I simply began teaching from the textbook and then assigning the workbook for practice. And depending on how they did, I added more from the textbook. But I didn’t necessarily do everything Everytime. Hope that helps!
My kids passed the gifted and talented test. One of them is really good at logic and visualization. I wonder if you have some good resources to recommend because he doesn't like Singapore math ( too much practice).
Wow! Congratulations! But no, I have no recommendations. Singapore is the “most challenging” math I’ve heard of. You could just cut back on the number of problems he does. Try every other…. We don’t use the word problem books or the extra practice books. We only use the workbook and if my child needs more practice, I just write the problems out myself and help her 1x1.
Hi! Questions about Singapore math... Did you do the curriculum exactly as laid out? Did you buy the workbook, textbook and teachers manual? Why did you not do level 6? Nobody seems to do level 6. Is it because there is no Home Instructor's guide/ you may as well just start pre-algebra? It just seems to me that if the program is so great, why not go all the way through and move on to algebra 1 and start getting high school credit? Because I'm a random stranger typing on youtube, I feel the need to let you know I'm genuinely asking you because I respect your opinion. We have been doing Primary Mathematics for three years without the textbook... following the philosophy of C-P-A using minimal resources and it's a bit clunky for me. I wonder if you might think that the textbook is worth the extra $50 a year?
I never bought the teachers manual. I taught from the textbook. But I’m a math person so I was comfortable doing that. The teachers manual might give more ideas n how to use manipulatives or different ways to teach it. I’ve actually wondered if maybe I should’ve bought the teachers manual…. But the reason we didn’t go all the way book 6 was because my son was in 5A and he was struggling with every lesson. Since Singapore is mastery, I thought he might benefit from the constant review of the spiral. By level 5, they’re definitely teaching algebraic concepts so it might be pre-algebra by then. Honestly….at that time, I also think I was too caught up in the number “5” and thinking he was falling behind. (He was doing level 5 in 7th grade. Knowing what I know now, I shouldn’t have worried about the number 5 and maybe just slowed down with him and been more patient and given him more practice on the things he was struggling with. Today, he’s 10th grade and we do Shormann math online. It’s also advanced. And my son is getting an A. So I still stand by that Singapore is an excellent program. Maybe by book 5 or 6, it’s ok to slow down if needed. You could probably definitely go from 6 to high school math. I’m not sure….maybe 6 is algebra already. (I haven’t look at it) I hope that answers your questions.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Ah thank you so much for responding! Now I remember you saying somewhere that you didn't use a teacher's guide. There was another Singapore mom that told me to absolutely get the teacher's guide and skip the textbook, haha! I really think I just need to get the textbook and maybe let the kids do any textbook work in a notebook so I can save some pennies there. It seems affordable but the books really add up. My problem was deciding to go with the Standards edition which is a bit more expensive and seems harder to find used. If Dimensions was around when we started, I probably would have gone with that, but I am determined not to change math curriculum unless it is truly not working. That's why I spent a full two months researching math curriculum when we started! I am thinking I will be more chill about the possibility that we might be doing level 6 in 7th and even 8th grade and just be ok with that. If my kid isn't ready for Algebra till 9th, that is actually ok! I was disappointed to see there's no Home instructor's guide at level 6 (for the standards edition)... maybe they think we shouldn't be homeschooling level 6😂. I'm glad to hear about Shormann and will look into that for the future!
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I’m wondering if you wanted to have a stronger math foundation for your kids, if you could just go back to back on the math so they’d be advancing through the levels faster & switch to dual enrollment in 11th grade. Does that seem possible?
Do you mean just keep doing math with no summer break? That’s definitely doable if you and your child could do it. Caviat…I’ve experienced this with every child…at some point, they may struggle with a concept and you may have to repeat, pause, keep doing it until mastery. So this can slow down progressing through books. BUT ALSO…. Not everybody finished curriculum books before advancing. For Saxon, I’ve heard the first few weeks of lessons are review from the last books. So if you kept progressing, you could probably also skip some lessons.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I just realized I never clarified which curriculum. Teaching Textbooks. I know they only have 120 lessons (at least in the younger ages), so you could do more than one in a year, and maybe do a little over the summer. Then, there's no pressure if you have to slow down to review something more for a student. Do you think that would make TT a little more rigorous, or is it still very light all around?
@@kayegenin123 I always think going at the child’s pace is better. So if you can keep going, do it. But I don’t have experience with TT in the high school years to know exactly how rigorous it is overall. I know what they say is they have children who go on from TT who excel in college level math. So their levels aren’t necessarily equal to grade level. They are just the “next” level. But math is one of those things, if you don’t pause and just keep going, it’s always going to be better bc you’ll have less backtracking for review. I’m not sure if their subscription is for a year or for a level for a year. So if you zoomed through a level in 7 months, could you move onto the next level with your year? That might be a question to reach out and ask them.
@@kayegenin123 I should also add….since I’ve made this video, I switched my oldest, now a 9th grader to Shormann math (Shormann’s actual math curriculum) and it’s very good and equally as cost effective as TT. It also grades online. It’s not as “cartoony” as TT, so less colorful and visual fun in that way. But it’s good. The first two years of the high school program earns you 3 math credits. I believe he also has a pre-Algebra program for Jr High.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I'm pretty certain you pay for the year and the level, but if they move up early, you have to purchase a new level. I'm good with going at my child's pace, but I also don't want to go to slow if they excel!
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We are just starting homeschooling and planning to use Singapore math. My hardest part was choosing which line to use, since there is primary, dimensions, math in focus, and so many variations of Primary. How did you choose? Also, did you need the home instructor guide or was the textbook and workbook enough for each grade? Also, I wondered if you considered using Singapore Dimensions for 6-8 and if so why you chose to go with teaching textbooks instead. Also Dimensions does have a video series, Dimensions at Home that is available through the singapore website.
I never considered dimensions. I actually have a video coming up with why we chose teaching textbooks. Probably the main reason was that it was all online and made it easier on me, while making sure my daughter was learning. We chose Singapore primary bc our first year homeschooling, we did My Father’s World, and Primary U.S. Edition was what they recommended. And I also have a close friends who had been homeschooling for years and I asked her advice, and she had told me all the things about Singapore that I said in this video (the mathematical inclined part is what caught my attention). So that’s why we chose it.
Also, I do not use the home instructor guide. But if you want prompts on what math manipulatives to use, or more clear instruction on how to teach it, that’s what you would need it for. I just use the textbook and explain myself.
Math is something I really struggled to pick. I'm not math inclined at all..I mean I got good grades in math, but it did not come easy and I really don't like teaching it out of all the subjects. Saxon so far has been best for our family. I won't do teaching textbooks, because I want to be screenfree as much as I can in our homeschool journey. In a world full of screens I'd just rather not expose them to it for math. I did Singapore with our oldest when she was very young, and it really didn't work out well at all. I just don't think it was for her. I feel she would have done A LOT better with Saxon, and we could have avoided A LOT of tears. She needs the repetition though and constant review. Our oldest boy out of four he really would do well with Singapore, but I'm sticking with what works for me to teach. I agree that Saxon is pricey though. I recommend going on ebay or somewhere like that and buying it used. The teacher's manual has A LOT more added activities to do and teach then just the worksheets. It really is beneficial in the younger grades. LORD JESUS is KING of kings and LORD of lords
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Only good choices I make comes from the Holy Spirit!!! Glory be to God! This world is full of A LOT of snares!! see so much of it in homeschooling materials :( LORD JESUS is KING of kings and LORD of lords!
I don’t see why not. You could always take the placement test on a program and start from there. I’d recommend (if I were doing this again) an online program like teaching textbooks or Shormann math (dive online - if you Google Shormann math, you’ll find the dice online site). But both of those programs teach you online, give you practice online, and grade it for you.
Why did your son not do Singapore 6a/b and did Saxon 8/7 instead? My son is doing Singapore 5b right now and I don’t know if I should make him do Syngapore 6a/b instead of Saxon 8/7.
Singapore advances differently than Saxon. Singapore 5 was getting into algebraic concepts. I switched to Saxon so I could he’s the video instruction, rather than me teaching him bc he needed somebody else explaining things to him.
do you mind sharing what the ten frame manipulative is called that your daughter used when problem solving? I have one that would find that very helpful for processing!
Not necessarily. I think it depends on how your child learns best. My oldest did the mastery approach through 7th grade and he switched to the spiral this year. I think the only thing about the spiral approach is if your child is very good at math, I wonder if that approach would bore them. But if that’s the case, you could always assign odd and even numbers to the review problems, if that makes sense.
I’ve never looked at dimensions. :( so I’m not sure. But we use primary bc our first year we used the My Fathers World curriculum and primary is what they suggested.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I looked into that too. What they said was the technique for primary is proven. It's not proven for dimensions and it's different. It's geared more for the US. That's why I didn't choose dimensions because the US is not competitive with math.
Some global standard of math. Math is pretty black and white. It’s either right or it’s wrong. It could also be a cultural thing. Many Asian cultures emphasize a rigorous education and high scores maybe more than the US.
I would bc I love Singapore. But with that child that I switched for, I’ve since tried the good and the beautiful math and am now trying learn math fast. So I’m going to see how those go first. But I would consider it bc I’m having to do 1x1 math tutoring with this child anyway.
What other online math helps do you use???
Have you looked at Beast Academy at all? It is more Singapore-like but comic style.
@@cloverspringskids7574 no I’ve never looked into it. Comic like? So similar to life of Fred?
It's really rigorous. They have it both in app and book form. It's a lot of problem solving. It's really challenging for my daughter we have used it as a supplement but it can be a whole program.
We love Mr. D Math for my middle schooler. She will continue this throughout high school, SO good.
Singapore Math Live is the online help we use. It is a subscription based tutor with lessons taught by a high school math teacher. The first 3 weeks of lessons you can view for free. It also helps with the breakdown of daily lessons which has been my biggest challenge with singapore this far. I just want the lessons planned out for me with page numbers etc. Haha!
I used Teaching Textbooks up until Pre Algebra, and up until that point, I liked it. It didn't take very long, I could get it done quickly, and they generally explained things pretty well. Then Pre Algebra came around, and it was either moving wayyyy too slow, or making things twice as complicated as they needed to be.
It was a long time ago so I don't remember specific examples, but I remember that it made you show your work and you were supposed to do it their way... even if you got the answer right. I hated that. My mother would also frequently mark questions wrong, only for me to protest and when checked with a calculator (this was elementary math so it was very straightforward) I would be right. All of this made me very frustrated in math. So halfway through TT Pre Algebra, I quit.
Then I started doing Classical Conversations Challenge A. I had a friend who did Saxon and that was what CC recommended, so I thought maybe it would work better for me. I tried Saxon 8/7. It had WAYY too many problems, drill and kill approach, and (for me at least) a ridiculous amount of review. Which was a problem with TT too... (if you're in Pre Algebra and need to review place values, maybe you shouldn't be in pre algebra....) I had never hated math more in my life.
Then my mom found Life of Fred. So, on my third try of the same grade math, I found the perfect curriculum. I started in LoF pre algebra 0 with physics, skipped pre algebra 1 and 2, did Algebra 1, 2 and now i'm on geometry. I love math now, it's fun, it's engaging, it's explained so much better, no drill and kill, and no more constant review of concepts I had known for years. I'm definitely going to continue with it, do trig this year, calculus next year, and linear algebra and statistics after that.
The other thing is I am very much self taught. My mother has never in my life 'taught me' math. I learn by reading, so if I have a half-decent textbook I'll teach myself.
Just my 2 cents as a student.
Sincerely, a Life of Fred fan for life!
Thank you so much for your insight!! “Drill and kill” is a good way to put it. 😜
I'm only a minute in, but Hallelujah, sister. I love the way you started it out with acknowledging the Almighty. Okay now I'm gonna finish watching the rest.
I’m glad that hooked you! It turns some people off but I am who I am!! 😜
Same here!
As a Singaporean, its our mindset that everyone can master Math....just like driving or riding a bicycle. Math Monster = myth.
We loooooved Singapore Math. It’s best taught from the beginning, starting with 1A so that no concepts are missed, in my opinion. My son did one year of Singapore math in second grade. At the end of 2nd grade, we had him tested. He passed what was equivalent to the 8th grade Texas star test!
Is it common core? I read it is.
@@Spurhope The common core edition is aligned to common core standards. The earlier editions (US and state standard) are older than common core and therefore not.
A lot of people don't know this about TT but the first level, Math 3 is actually 2nd grade math. So, for instance when you are in 3rd you do Math 4 and so on. I figured this out very quickly because when we started with TT the oldest had just finished 2A and 2B of Singapore and I realized what she was learning in Math 3 was 2nd grade math. So, we skipped to Math 4 for 3rd grade, and we were back on track
It notes that Singapore math is usually a grade level above. So 4a would be more equivalent to beginning fifth grade in public school
Thank you for this video! Singapore does have an entire online math program with video lessons. It is called Singapore Live. The gal that leads the lessons is really nice and very knowledgable.
Thank you!! Good to know! 😉
We are using Teaching Textbooks and my kid likes it a lot. Thanks for explaining the differences.
You’re welcome!
You were showing the Singapore book and i was instantly overwhelmed. Then you gave the not mathematically inclined warning lol
LOL!! Information is power! 😜😜😜
Singapore Dimensions has awesome videos! It’s a paid subscription but the teacher is excellent!
How do you like the dimensions? I think we are going that route
I have been wrestling with the math cirric for about 6 months. I like singapore for my oldest 2. It's not working for my middle kiddo and my kinder guy I'm not sure about yet. Your video was TREMENDOUSLY helpful thank you for taking the time to compare these.
You’re so welcome!! I’m so glad I can share my experiences to bless others!! I hope you find what works soon!!
I’ve also heard good things about Horizon math. It’s a spiral approach and very colorful. And the good and the beautiful math looks like fun! But I also think that one looks a little more teacher intensive. But if I, personally, was searching (and the above 3 didn’t fit us), I’d probably look at those next. ;)
This was the last review I watched on these Math programs. I wished I had saved myself the time and just watched this first! This was by far the most helpful and unbiased. Thank you!
You are so welcome!!
We've never tried Singapore but I think my mom would actually really like it. It's a running joke in our family about how much my parents love math and give it priority in our homeschool. For example, I took trig and calculus in high school...and then went on to get a B.A. instead of the engineering degree my parents had prepared me very well for. hahaha, oh, kids!
Oh boy!!! Wow! Calculus! That’s quite an academic accomplishment!
I did pre-calculus in HS (public school) and was like, “there it is.....I’ve hit the limit of my mathematical aptitude!” Lol! I can’t think in three dimensions. 😜
Maybe if I’d been homeschooled, right?!?!
But if you are good at math, seriously....you might really Singapore also! 😉
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I actually hated Calculus and that was one of the things that led me away from studying engineering. haha! But...curriculum pickings were VERY slim at the time and all I had was an Abeka textbook. We already have Life of Fred Calc for my youngest sister to take in her senior year, it's a gigantic improvement. I have considered using Singapore for my own boys when they are old enough..we're still a couple years away from "real homeschool" for them.
Love this video. Always wondered about Singapore Math. I guess we are old school a bit 😂 because we have used Bob Jones Math DLO the last 3 years which is crazy expensive but uses the fact families like you mentioned for Singapore. Definitely spiral but not over the top like Saxon. Also definitely a grade ahead. My 2nd grader is learning multiplication currently. Loved by my kiddos. Also LOVE xtramath too. Great resource!
My sister in law used Bob Jones for awhile! I know it’s a strong program also!
We've pretty much only used Singapore K-5, and it's worked well for everyone so far. I had 2 kids just finish 5B, and they had SO many more questions for this year, so I'm ready to switch online. They placed into Math 7 with Teaching Textbooks.
Interesting!! 5B to TT7 doesn’t surprise me. Singapore is very advanced!
I hated math in school until I got to trig. I loved, loved, loved, trig. I like Singapore Math. I think fewer people would be scared of math having learned to think through it that way compared to the touch math I was taught.
True! The reason some countries far exceed the US in math skills is how it’s taught. And those students/people probably don’t have the same “relationship” with math as many in the US seem to.
I hear you in the hatred of math. I wouldn’t say I hated it. But it was NOT my favorite subject, even though it was one of my best subjects. It was boring and monotonous, right?
Thanks for making this! I am pulling my son out of public school once this year ends and have been trying to compare Saxon, Singapore, and Abeka math for him for next school year. I’m leaning towards Singapore after watching because of the progression after mastery. 😄
You’re so welcome!!!
Singapore is excellent. (So is Abeka and Saxon! :) you can’t go wrong with either) Abeka does become too much in high school. Lot of busy work. In high school, (and also maybe 8th grade for pre-algebra) I recommend Shormann math all the way! So tuck that but of info away for later. 😉
Of those 3, definitely Singapore. Rightstart is also excellent.
I'm so glad you had good things to say about TTB because as a first time homeschool mom, math and science, have been the two hardest subjects to choose curriculum for. I chose TGTB math for my 2nd grader, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to start off with TTB for my 9th grader. So many conflicting opinions, but 9 out of 10 moms that I've heard from, who have tried TTB, recommend it. Thanks for sharing your experience.
It’s so hard to make informed decisions with other peoples opinions. And even after I made this video, I thought more about it and thought, I think the moms who said TT wasn’t strong, probably had never used it. They were probably comparing students they knew who had used that vs Saxon. And students who’s parents choose TT (that I know) tend towards the creative side and literature. So it makes sense that they would not choose Saxon which is very boring to look at. And very to the point with drills and lots of drills. TT is a little more fun which helps those creative thinkers process math. 😉
But I recently went to a homeschool conference where MULTIPLE moms praised TT!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan that's good to hear. I've heard mixed things on Algebra through them. But, my oldest son really likes TT for levels 4-6, so far.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I am well versed in math. I work as an engineer, and I think the teaching textbook is amazing. I don't believe one bit it is for kids who are not going to be studying math in the future. It is engaging, fun, and still really good for the most part. My son loves math and I don't even mind the repetition, to be honest. Since my son is really great with Math, my goal is to just get through all the levels as quickly as possible. He is 7. I don't mind if we start precalculus and algebra when he turns 8.
@@shenziwewe1An 8 year old learning pre calc. Your son must be a genius. Good Lord.
Thank you so much for this review. You really went into the concepts behind the curriculum and included examples. This is exactly the type of review I was looking for.
You’re welcome! I try really hard NOT just make a video for the sake of making them, but to add value that will be helpful for you. And I often answer questions that I, MYSELF, would ask if I were researching! So I’m glad you found it helpful!
There is on Outschool teacher who teaches Singapore Dimensions and Saxon classes (which is what brought me to your video. We are using Saxon trying to look for next year. Her name is Katie Fallon. She was great this year with Saxon 5/4.
Thank you!!! I"ll have to look into that!
This is the most helpful video, thank you so much! I watched this with my son after narrowing our choices down to these three and it helped us to decide.
Wonderful!! I love that and I hope you have success!!
This is a GREAT comparison!!! Math is always such a hard decision 😬😬
Thank you!!! Yes it is! Especially when Mom and child think differently!! 😬😬😬😉😜
So happy to see someone else who likes TT! We’ve used it from 4 to Algebra 1 and love it!! It gets so much hate 😟
It does get a lot of hate. It’s not for every student, but the students it’s for, it does the job just fine! And it’s DEFINITELY a time saver for mom!!
For challenging math for middle school/junior high and above, try Art of Problem Solving. They also make Beast Academy for younger grades as a precursor.
This was a wonderful video that answered every question I had. Superb job! And thanks for the practice app referral too!
Thank you and you’re welcome!! 😃
Thank you for this extremely helpful video, we are transitioning from Singapore Math to Saxon and wanted to understand more. We don’t have a choice due to school curriculum but definitely find that mastery of concepts helps build the foundation. Also understanding the concepts taught are very important vs just regurgitating the memorised formula because questions get progressive more challenging in the upper grades and understanding concepts help to solve these questions.
Glad this was helpful!! Saxon is a great program!
We did Singapore Math and switched to Saxon for 8/7 in 8th grade as well! She went from struggling to A's! All that review helps! And they say if you get 80% or better you can do half of the 1-30 lessons! My daughter finally enjoys math! What are you doing for Algebra 1?!
We do Shormann math for high school math. We love it!
As a homeschooling mom I appreciate your explanation of these different programs. It can be trial and error. Which can end up being a waste of money and VERY valuable Time.
Thank you! I try to give the kind of Info I would want to know if I were looking b. Too often I find reviews from curriculum that aren’t specific like, “it was good. We really like it. It works well for my kid.” But that doesn’t tell me how it works. 😉 or maybe what the pros and cons are. I’m glad you found this helpful.
You are so excellent and thorough with your reviews.
Thank you so much!
Haha, this made me laugh. I know some people rave about Saxon, but we tried it and it was the most dry and uninteresting math - my son cringed at the thought. So we switched to an online class, but I am leaning toward Singapore for my girls because it is a mastery style, which I think is a better way to teach children. Of course, we are all different, right? So I may pick up a couple resources and use them together.
lol!!! I think I agree with you. We switched my high schooler to Dr Shormann’s actual math curriculum this year bc Saxon is just not our cup of tea. 😜 I hope you enjoy Singapore better!
My math assistant online has Saxon grading and math fact drills. Highly recommend it.
Thank you for this video! I’m a homeschooling mom of 4 girls and we love Singapore math. My younger two finished 6A and 6B this past school year and now we are struggling to decide what to do next. My older two girls recently graduated college and I can’t remember what I did the year after Singapore math with them (I had a serious illness for two years and it was during that time). I will say that both started taking college classes in 9th grade and both graduated with high honors with an associate degree while still in high school, and I honestly believe Singapore math thoroughly prepared them for college math courses. What is your opinion for a math curriculum post Singapore 6B? I’ve looked at pre-Algebra in Saxon, Math U See, Math in Focus, Dimensions, Teaching Textbooks… I’m overwhelmed and I definitely want to choose something that prepares them for advanced math and the ACT/SAT in the future.
I’d look into Shormann math. It’s online and graded by him like teaching textbooks. But Shormann is more advanced. And he has courses through calculus! My son did algebra 1 this year which was also a 1/2 credit of geometry. So After algebra 2 next year, he’ll have 3 math credits already. Shormann starts in pre-algebra. We discovered him bc he also teaches Saxon but I still have to grade it which is why we switched. And we like Shormann’s own course better. So check it out. Just Google Shormann math. :)
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Thank you so much!!! I will do that now.
We use Singapore math live for help.
Thanks! I’ve never heard of that.
Thank you so much for this great comparison! I've been currently racking my brain over math Curr for my 4th grader. We have used Singapore the last 2 years and parts not all have been a struggle. My 7th grader just transitioned to Saxon 8/7 he completed Singapore 6A/6B last year. He did well with Singapore but he is more math minded. Having your description of each of these helped point us to some other options that will hopefully bring more smiles during math😁
Definitely check out Shormann math!!! He has his own math curriculum that starts at pre-algebra and we’ve used it for high school. Excellent!
Our private school uses Singapore, and I'm pulling my daughter out and moving to TGATB math...I cannot stand Singapore math. In saying that though, my son had a few struggles with it but for the most part, he got it and he is amazing at mental math. He can do math in his head far better than I ever could, so it obviously does something. I think it's so highly dependent on the kid. It's not for my daughter at all, but it did just fine for my son.
It definitely focused on mental math. Yes. And I don’t disagree with you....it’s not easy for every child. They all learn differently, so if there is another math that works better for her individual needs...go for it. That’s why all three of mine are using different curriculums. That’s what I love so much about homeschooling. Tailoring the education to the child, instead of the child to the education. 😉
Your channel name is hilarious, btw! 😜
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan :-)
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Yes! I'm so excited about it, my daughter has dyslexia which is likely why some curriculums just don't work for her. I'm looking forward to homeschooling her even when I thought I'd never homeschool...I'm so amazed by all the things out there for homeschooling now.
@@KristyStill it can be overwhelming with all the choices. So my advice is if you CAN sample something first, or buy a smaller quantity to try...do it. Because I’ve jumped in head first on many curriculums only to find out they aren’t working well for a particular child. (I bought like bulk sets of a curriculum-a couple years worth...to save on a bundle cost. And then never used it. :(. I’ve done this to save on shipping also. “Oh, I’ll just buy all the set and have it for this year and next year.”
Don’t do that. You never know what might change. Curriculum should work for both child and mom!
Hi! Do you know about Nicole. the Math Lady? She teaches all the Saxon math lessons and also has the grading and instant feedback options. Kids LOVE it. :)
Yea I’ve heard good things about her.
Very helpful! Thank you so much for making this video. I use the ACE curriculum and it has worked wonders for my 8 year old, but we just discovered my 6 year old has Dyslexia and has mostly forgotten everything he learned because he didn’t “experience” it as some dyslexics need. I appreciate the review for Teaching Textbooks because I was wondering if it would be more engaging for him. But now I think Singapore math might be better for him. Either way THANK YOU🥰 God Bless
I hope it works for you!!!
My 15 year old son with discalculia does great with TT over any other curriculums. He used to fight me on math big time and now he just gets it done. He does get a bit annoyed at the spiral sometimes, but with a weaker memory, it is necessary and I have to look into it more, but you can skip around a bit. Not sure if only part of a lesson can be done, though. That would be a nice addition. My son did 2 levels in one year. But, he is kind of playing catch up, currently. He's doing great, though. I know discalculia and dyslexia are a bit different, but similar, too. So, yeah. I did hear from many that Algebra is questionable through them, though. I did Saxon myself 7-12 grade in public school and it was okay I also have discalculia. But, definitely on the dull side and I wish there was more explanation in the book itself as we didn't have internet and I'd forget the lesson and cry over my homework. I think with videos it makes it much better. But, I'll have it as a backup plan for Algebra and higher. I personally liked taking Math 8/7 and Algebra 1/2 and found differences good enough fo me. But, I am weak in math.
We use and LOVE Math Lessons for a Living Education. We’ve tried Horizons, Saxon (elementary levels) & Christian Light Education. We love the short, effective lessons & my kids are retaining math for probably the first time. 😀
I’ve never looked at any of these!! There’s definitely no shortage of curriculum choices these days. Think 30 years ago....you had, Abeka.....or Bob Jones. Take your pick! 😜😜😜 (maybe others but those are the ones I think of as being around for awhile)
I’m glad you’ve got something that works!! Whatever makes it stick is a winner!
So would you say Masterbooks math is spiral or mastery then?
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan it is masterfully both!!! Some feel MB math is "behind" but it teaches concepts when (most) children are developmentally ready to learn them, so it starts very slow, but it gives a very solid foundation to basic math. The goal is for students to master concepts/skills in one level before moving on to the next level. However, within each level and throughout all the levels the concepts spiral through for constant review. The lessons are so simple & short, yet extremely effective.
Your child moves through "levels" and not "grades". So to begin MLFLE, you want your child to take a placement test to know what level to place them in. The first few lessons are always review of the previous level, so often times children will "speed" through those lessons and then they slow down once they hit new material. The last few lessons are "review lessons" as well so the child may speed back up in those lessons as well. And then there is review all through the "middle lessons" as well. There are 36 weeks of lessons with 5 days per week for a total of 180 lessons.
It is a phenomenal math curriculum for all students (I believe) but it has been the only thing to work and help my kids with special needs/learning differences make any kind of progress in math! We are using levels 2 & 3 this year!
@@faithfullyinfertile nice!! If I’m in need to search again, I’ll have to look at it! 😉 it sounds intriguing!!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I would say that if you really want your child in a STEM career or if you have to do testing then Math Lessons for A Living Education is not the best choice. I know a lot of people who regret using it and are now playing catch up and trying to fix gaps. Five of them always used one level ahead but they now regret using it at all. The consensus is that they love the lessons but it was all a waste. There are some videos on UA-cam about that or even forums on Well Trained Mind.
Thank you for this review! We have tried Right Start and Rod and Staff in the past. My 6th grade daughter hates the inductive reasoning required in Right Start and I felt that Rod and Staff was not rigorous enough. I think Singapore will be our best bet to try next since screens tend to distract and confuse her.
You are so welcome!
Singapore is an excellent choice! I hope it works well for you!
Ad odd place to present, in the bedroom sitting on the floor lol. That said, well presented material!!!!
It’s the quietest place and it’s always clean! 😉 thanks!
Very common shooting location on UA-cam
Saxon is great for Algebra onward
We started with Singapore and loved it. We switched to TT after a few years though because I needed them to have the lectures for things I couldn't teach. I learned along with them, and they have excelled in math. The only thing we struggled a little with was some of the more difficult fractions, but we finally mastered it and now both my 5th and 7th graders will be doing Pre-Algebra this year. We've never tried Saxon
I’m glad that worked for you! So you sat there next of your kid during their TT lessons?
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Yes. I would watch the lecture with them and then we would discuss the various problems together. I wanted to know what they were learning in case they had questions
They seem to pick up math very quickly though. We also do CC and they were very good at memorizing all the math facts so that helped a lot. The only thing I don't like about TT is they spend too much time reviewing stuff they already know so we usually skip ahead and spend more time on the areas that are new or more difficult.
@@CharityC1370 it’s funny you say they review too much because my daughter doesn’t seem to be retaining much. But I don’t sit right next to here either. The reason I chose teaching textbooks was to free up a subject for me. :(
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I guess I am more hands on then most, but I really needed a refresher when it came to reducing and converting fractions. I would even watch the lecture on my own the night before to make sure I could assist when needed. However, they just seem to pick up on math quickly. They had a very good foundation with Singapore before starting TT. We shall see how it goes with Pre-Algebra this year. They are both doing it so we will all work together.
New subscriber! I am a mom of 2 and I homeschool!
Welcome! I’m glad you are here!
Thank you for your input. My 2nd grader is not into Xtra math.
It’s not for everybody! 😉
Thank you for this review. So helpful! We have been using CLE. It is also spiral and advanced. My question is how teacher intensive each program you reviewed is for the grade 3-4 and up. My problem now is that there is not enough of me to go around for all 4 of my school age kid’s independent work
Yes that’s an issue and it’s more an issue with the grade level than the program. But I’d say teaching textbook is the LEAST teacher intensive since the online version actually does the teaching. Singapore and saxon would probably require teacher, unless your child more gifted and can learn from a textbook on their own. Singapore and Saxon require the textbook for learning. I hope that helps.
LOVE your intro!
Check out the wisdom wonder project for video with Singapore math.
I did Singapore math as a teenager when we lived in Singapore for a year. I’ve yet to use it for my kids tho. I didn’t do primary Singapore math and we bought it in the country!!! We don’t teach to test but for real life. In Singapore, Singapore math goes up to high school. When my kids are ready for a new math topic we move on and we can go back to review if needed!!! I used Singapore math before online help existed. We have math ppl in our family as well!!! Saxon looks like Kahn academy science that we stopped using.I’ve been told that my daughter needs strong basic math skills but not much more. I knew she needed strong math but I didn’t know that it was just basic math but be good at it. This is making me think about using Singapore math with my kids!!!
The thing with math is you have to understand concepts and how numbers work. Then you can do any math. I tested into Calculus in college, but I was like, “nope!” I don’t need that level to do what I intended to do. So I think the levels depend on where your kids is headed. If they’re going to be an engineer, they’ll need very strong math skills. If they are going to be a landscaper, they just need to know how do basic geometry and adding, and maybe accounting if they’ll own a business. 😉 (btw-geometry helps also with playing a game of pool! 😜😜😜)
Great video! Thank! I am considering Saxon and Singapore, so this was SO helpful! Also, love those foam base ten manipulatives. From where did you get those?
I think I ended up linking them in my description!! They say “FOAM TENS FRAME”
You’re welcome!! I’m glad it was helpful!!
Unfortunately there is something to the criticism of TT. My son used it one year, retained nothing and we lost a year in math. I don't understand how it is possible because he usually got 100s on his lessons. If you use it make sure to check in periodically and have your child explain what they are doing and have them do math on paper also. I'm sure it works well for some kids, but others just don't retain well with this program.
We use TT once or twice a week. I also use Math Antics videos on UA-cam to help my oldest.
Never heard of Math antics! Hmmm...I will have to check those out!
We’re thinking of trying teaching textbooks. My son is going into 6th and good at math. What do you guys recommend for ELA
@@homeschoolresourceswithnad186 I think a lot of that depends on your child. I have a video about language lessons for a living education 5 that will show you what’s inside that. It’s short lessons. But I’ve also used the good and the beautiful language lessons 6. A different approach...includes sentence diagramming, more editing practicing and writing and also art. I’ve also used IEW for writing. It’s very good and a great systematic approach and how to write all types of papers. And I’ve used IEW Fix It grammar....again...short little lessons. Effective. All are very good choices!
Would you say I could jump into Singapore Math for level 5?? We were using something else and I’m ready to switch. Or is Singapore better if we started from the beginning?
Oh boy!! I’m. It sure on this one bc we’ve done it from the beginning. I think it depends on the type of learner your child is. Level 5 is when they start introducing pre-algebra concepts. If you did want to try Singapore, I’d definitely take the placement. Level 5 is when my son started struggling (probably bc I was pushing him too hard….at that time, I didn’t realize pre-alg is actually ahead of other math curriculums.). That probably wasn’t much help. But if your child is a math wiz….maybe???
I have so many questions about math🥴 My children are in advanced math (6th and 3rd). My 6th grader definitely was taught by his amazing gifted teacher and she taught a lot of mental math and 10s grouping numbers so I think Singapore math will be excellent for him. I am stuck on primary or dimensions because while my kids are math people, their mom (me!) am not a math person ( their dad is though) so online lessons would be awesome. Dimensions going into the higher grades is also a plus. Ah decisions!!!
The simplicity layout of primary is very much my kind of style.
If you have a gifted sixth grader, keep Shormann math in mind, also. Shormann has his own math program. My high schooler is using it and it’s advanced also. I think it starts in pre-algebra. It’s all online and graded for you (like teaching textbooks)
Watching this again 😝. TGATB math is not working anymore for my new 3rd grader.
🥲 that’s a bummer. Why do you think it’s not working?
The lack of thorough multiplication introduction. It’s relying too heavily on musical multiplication without thoroughly explaining the concept. No arrays and very little grouping exercises. The original math taught it well for my oldest son, so I assumed this version was going to be thorough as well. It’s very different!
My daughter has used Teaching Textbooks in middle school. The lessons were not complex and did not challenge her adequately. As a result, she became bored and wanted to end the sessions quickly. The graphics were juvenile, even in late middle school. The attempt at visual engagement was offputting. We spent too much time progressing through the graphics and not enough time on the content itself.
I don't disagree with you. We ended up leaving TT after a year and a half.
This was very helpful and thought through.
I’m so glad! Thank you!
The manipulatives are for the hands…🤣
Excellent help to understand Singapore math. I’ve always wondered. Thank you! I see so many similarities btwn how we teach math with tens and ones rods. I also think I learned a lot like Singapore teaches with making 10 and number families. I’m gonna check it out. I’ve heard Saxon is boring. Thank you for sharing. My kid is math minded, we need to go and not doddle. They get bored and sometimes become overwhelmed with a ton of problems to solve. And I’ve been thinking g about Singapore! 👍 We used apologia math 2, turned a math lover into a math loather. My heart was so sad. Time to switch!
That IS sad! But if you’re good at math, boring math is the worst!
This is completely off the subject of the video, but the way you edit these is hilarious to me. Lol 🤣 I can’t stand boring reviews 🤪
Thank you so much! I’m with you.
Pisa test results don't lie. Clearly Singapore Maths produced the best results.
ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO. We have nearly identical pillows except mine says "smile".
How fun! I love this pillow!!!!
Thank you for the video! Very helpful. I am against the wall on this math curriculum. I really wanted to do traditional math, such as Saxon, with my kids this year (first time homeschooling). Now that I have been doing more research, I seen how all these curriculums work. It seems to me that what my kids learned in public school (common core) it is more aligned with Singapore math (except a little more faster paced than public school though math concepts are the same). Which now it puts me in a hard spot, Singapore would be a better fit for them since they are very familiar with number bond system and have done very well with math. Though the math is not my strong suit and I was really looking forward to the scripted Saxon's teacher guide. If any one has experience pulling their kids from public school and are using any of these curriculums, any tips?
I haven’t seen any comments about pulling kids from public school to Singapore. But I have seen a few comments about online programs that align with Singapore. If you scroll through the comments, you may some other suggestions. I can’t remember off the top of my head which programs.
And I’m not familiar with common core. I know Singapore has a common core aligned edition. So it may different.
Do the placement tests and be prepared for them to be a grade or two behind.
@@OREALPERKINS 😢
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I felt like that but it’s just different word doing it and order. We plan to double up lessons to catch up.
@@OREALPERKINS there is information and research that suggests that kids can learn ALL math in high school. Meaning….if you never taught anything….by the time they are more mature and ready, they will excel. So don’t feel pressure like your kids are so far behind. You definitely don’t want to burn them out. Having said that..,if they are soaking it up and excelling already with the new curriculum, go at their pace. Let them do their thing. 😉 but Singapore jams a whole lot into a few years. My oldest didn’t necessarily complete both A and B books every year and he’s doing fine now! Infact, his math improved a TON this year. And I think it’s because his brain was just ready. 😉
We are currently doing TT. It's going well but I'm always second guessing! Thinking maybe both Singapore AND TT? Ugh!
Both for one student???
TT and Singapore and very different. You’re going to get what you need with TT. Infact, if your student is doing well, maybe they do more than 1 lesson a day and go faster?
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan thank you! As we got into our math for the day I realized there is no need to complicate things.
@@christi3411 I agree. If it ain’t broke….😉
I love Saxon math
9 of my 10 children (so far) have gone from Singapore 5B to Teaching Textbooks 7 with ease.
That makes sense bc Singapore is advanced. I heard that once you complete Singapore 6B you’re ready for high school algebra for sure.
I like TTB. It's working for my girls.
I combine it with IXL.
Thank you for sharing....
Love this comparison review! I've watched it a few times already! What will you/ do you use once you've completed all the levels of of Singapore? We're currently using Math U See & I'm looking to either add or switch to Singapore and then I guess continue with MUS once Singapore ends... Thank you!
I think it depends on the level my daughter is at. I’m loving Shormann math. It’s very similar to teaching textbooks in that it’s all online and teaches and tracks the grading for me. But it’s more adnavced. It can start with pre-algebra. Alg 1 also included 1/2 credit of geometry which is finished in Alg 2. So by the time the high schooler finishes Alg 2, they’ll actually have 3 math credits which is a BONUS!!
But if my child struggles with math and isn’t likely headed towards a career that needs a strong math foundation, we may go to teaching textbooks. But one of those for sure.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I hadn't heard of Shormann math, thanks for the info!
For Primary Singapore...do you recommend the US edition. I feel like it's so hard to figure out what to get for Singapore. Looking for my soon to be "second" grader who is decent at math but gets bored.
The US edition is the only one I’ve used. It’s funny bc in the story problems...some of the names are NOT American at all. Infact, I’ve never seen them before seeing them in this math program 😜 but other than that....
Hello I just stumbled upon your channel and you have put the comparison in a very way. That was great help. Now this video is little old do you have any thoughts on good and beautiful math ?
I have not tried TGTB math! It looks fun and creative but I have no actual experience with it.
This is helpful, thank you! I wanted to try Singapore math, but math is not my strong suit so my quest continues...sigh.
You’re welcome!
Great explanation. I had no idea. My high schooler is really struggling with the spiral style of teaching textbooks. Any high school level mastery curriculum suggestions?
I’m not sure on this one, honestly. The three I know about are all spiral. My son is currently using Dr Shormann’s OWN math course from
Diveintomath.com
My son loves dr Shormann and we do prefer his math over Saxon. His site also grades etc similar to Teaching Textbooks. However, it might still be spiral.
I have a brother who is a math teacher (who also homeschools his kids) He loves.
Mathhelp.com
Not sure what approach that is.
I’ve heard lots and lots of feedback to steer clear of Abeka math in high school. My bro, the math teacher, likes it fro grade school, but not high school. Too much busy work snd not as strong is his opinion.
That’s the extent of my knowledge on high school math! 😉
Math U See goes through high school. That is what I plan to use with my girls.
Maybe I missed it but what made you choose to switch from Singapore to TTB?
Saving my daughters and my relationship! 😜 just needing to have another teacher for her bc we were hitting a roadblock and her “getting it” was stalled. TTB is spiral. So I thought the more frequent review would also help her.
This is a helpful comparison. We are finishing up Singapore Math 5B. My child is mathematically inclined and has some good concept of algebra/pre-algebra. I feel like I may have to skip SM 6 or just go through very quickly and I was thinking we will dive right into pre-algebra so I came across looking into Saxon Math. (AoPs is a great program but feels like has a lot of holes teaching the foundational concept.) We don't like spiral approach! Would it still be the best option for middle school and high school level? Thank you.
You might look at Shormann math online. That’s who my son took this year for saxon. But Shormann has his own high school program. I’m not sure if it’s mastery or spiral but my son likes him. And his online program grades for you and keeps track of those grades. He might have a placement test.
You could also take placement test of teaching textbooks and see where your child lands. I recently found out that the reason TT sometimes gets a rep for being not as challenging is bc people still think in grade levels rather than math levels. TT just advances you, building the solid foundation, but they advance you at your child’s level. They have a free 15 day trial also! That could be very helpful. Maybe your child WOULD place right into pre-Algebra !
I forgot to mention that Shormann’s math starts at pre-algebra also. ;)
This is such an awesome video! Thank you! I'm on the fence about which math to do. We are new homeschoolers this year and doing Saxon and it's torture. I'm pretty sure we will go with Singapore next year. Currently, we are using Saxon 5/4 and saxon 3 with my two boys. What level for singapore math should we use next year?
That’s hard to say. You should check and see if Singapore has a placement test or browse their table of contents and decide. When my son finished Saxon 3, I put him in Singapore 2A but I should’ve placed him bc it was too easy for him. And he flew through it.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan love your language arts program!
With Singapore only going to 6th grade what would you recommend for middle/high school level math for an easy transition?
I wouldn’t say that Singapore 6 is 6th grade (compared to other math curriculums). By the time you get to Singapore 5, it’s really getting into pre-Algebra concepts. So if you complete Singapore 6, whatever math curriculum you may switch to for middle school or high school, I’d definitely take a placement test. Your child may be further along than you realize.
So easy transition….hmmm….
Easy is such a relative term. 😜
My son, this year did Shormann math. He used Shormann WITH Saxon (as I showed in this video) but Shormann has his actual math curriculum and I didn’t realize that Shormann math starts with ore-algebra also. I’m not sure if he has a placement test or not. But I think Shormann math is SOLID! For Algebra 1 this year, there were things that I didn’t remember. It’s very challenging which is good. The nice thing about Shormann is it does it all for Mom, including keeping track of grades. So it teaches, has online tests and even review games…and then it keeps the grade book for you.
I hope that helps.
So with Singapore, you only need (for example) 3A for the entire year? Not 3B as well? If you need both, then it would be about $120 a year?
It depends on how fast you go through it but could be Per semester. Each book is generally $15ish. If you also want a home instructor guide, that could be extra. I never bought that. I used the textbook as my guide for teaching. But it would be helpful for somebody who’s not sure how to guide the lesson. It would give you suggestions for how to utilize the manipulatives. So the instructor guide cost, I don’t think I added. So yeah, I guess it could be about $120 if that guide is $30/level.
You could probably find those used, though. Since they aren’t written in like the workbooks
DIVE math has been amazing! It’s online and we switched from TT to DIVE after finding out about it.
Yes we love it also!
Thank you so much your video is best
Thank you too!
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This video is super helpful! What is the manipulative that your daughter is using 6 minutes into the video?
I’m trying to think of what that’s called, but I’m sure it’s linked in my description. It’s something like a base 10 manipulative!
When you did Singapore math, did you do the workbook also with your child? Or did you just do the textbook? I have been teaching Singapore math (the new dimensions math curriculum) to my 4th grader and she gets frustrated by the time we get to the second half of workbook. She thinks the textbook + workbook in each session is too much for her. But I think her concepts won’t be as strong if she skipped the extra practice in workbook
When we first started, I actually followed lesson plans given by My Fathers World. It included both, but not necessarily on the same days. After awhile, I simply began teaching from the textbook and then assigning the workbook for practice. And depending on how they did, I added more from the textbook. But I didn’t necessarily do everything Everytime. Hope that helps!
Very helpful thank you!
You’re welcome!
What is that foam board she is using for her addition. Can you post an Amazon link?
I did not get it from Amazon. I bought from rainbow resource. www.rainbowresource.com/product/040942/Foam-Ten-Frames.html
My kids passed the gifted and talented test. One of them is really good at logic and visualization. I wonder if you have some good resources to recommend because he doesn't like Singapore math ( too much practice).
Wow! Congratulations! But no, I have no recommendations. Singapore is the “most challenging” math I’ve heard of. You could just cut back on the number of problems he does. Try every other…. We don’t use the word problem books or the extra practice books. We only use the workbook and if my child needs more practice, I just write the problems out myself and help her 1x1.
Hi! Questions about Singapore math... Did you do the curriculum exactly as laid out? Did you buy the workbook, textbook and teachers manual?
Why did you not do level 6? Nobody seems to do level 6. Is it because there is no Home Instructor's guide/ you may as well just start pre-algebra? It just seems to me that if the program is so great, why not go all the way through and move on to algebra 1 and start getting high school credit? Because I'm a random stranger typing on youtube, I feel the need to let you know I'm genuinely asking you because I respect your opinion.
We have been doing Primary Mathematics for three years without the textbook... following the philosophy of C-P-A using minimal resources and it's a bit clunky for me. I wonder if you might think that the textbook is worth the extra $50 a year?
I never bought the teachers manual. I taught from the textbook. But I’m a math person so I was comfortable doing that. The teachers manual might give more ideas n how to use manipulatives or different ways to teach it. I’ve actually wondered if maybe I should’ve bought the teachers manual….
But the reason we didn’t go all the way book 6 was because my son was in 5A and he was struggling with every lesson. Since Singapore is mastery, I thought he might benefit from the constant review of the spiral.
By level 5, they’re definitely teaching algebraic concepts so it might be pre-algebra by then. Honestly….at that time, I also think I was too caught up in the number “5” and thinking he was falling behind. (He was doing level 5 in 7th grade. Knowing what I know now, I shouldn’t have worried about the number 5 and maybe just slowed down with him and been more patient and given him more practice on the things he was struggling with.
Today, he’s 10th grade and we do Shormann math online. It’s also advanced. And my son is getting an A. So I still stand by that Singapore is an excellent program. Maybe by book 5 or 6, it’s ok to slow down if needed. You could probably definitely go from 6 to high school math. I’m not sure….maybe 6 is algebra already. (I haven’t look at it)
I hope that answers your questions.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Ah thank you so much for responding! Now I remember you saying somewhere that you didn't use a teacher's guide. There was another Singapore mom that told me to absolutely get the teacher's guide and skip the textbook, haha! I really think I just need to get the textbook and maybe let the kids do any textbook work in a notebook so I can save some pennies there. It seems affordable but the books really add up. My problem was deciding to go with the Standards edition which is a bit more expensive and seems harder to find used. If Dimensions was around when we started, I probably would have gone with that, but I am determined not to change math curriculum unless it is truly not working. That's why I spent a full two months researching math curriculum when we started!
I am thinking I will be more chill about the possibility that we might be doing level 6 in 7th and even 8th grade and just be ok with that. If my kid isn't ready for Algebra till 9th, that is actually ok! I was disappointed to see there's no Home instructor's guide at level 6 (for the standards edition)... maybe they think we shouldn't be homeschooling level 6😂. I'm glad to hear about Shormann and will look into that for the future!
Thank you for the videos, my first year of homeschool, where can I get the ten frame?
I’m so glad this is helpful to you!! I’m sure I bought this from rainbow resources
www.rainbowresource.com/product/040942/Foam-Ten-Frames.html?
Or different color from amazon
amzn.to/3oRsa1k
I’m wondering if you wanted to have a stronger math foundation for your kids, if you could just go back to back on the math so they’d be advancing through the levels faster & switch to dual enrollment in 11th grade. Does that seem possible?
Do you mean just keep doing math with no summer break? That’s definitely doable if you and your child could do it. Caviat…I’ve experienced this with every child…at some point, they may struggle with a concept and you may have to repeat, pause, keep doing it until mastery. So this can slow down progressing through books. BUT ALSO….
Not everybody finished curriculum books before advancing. For Saxon, I’ve heard the first few weeks of lessons are review from the last books. So if you kept progressing, you could probably also skip some lessons.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I just realized I never clarified which curriculum. Teaching Textbooks. I know they only have 120 lessons (at least in the younger ages), so you could do more than one in a year, and maybe do a little over the summer. Then, there's no pressure if you have to slow down to review something more for a student. Do you think that would make TT a little more rigorous, or is it still very light all around?
@@kayegenin123 I always think going at the child’s pace is better. So if you can keep going, do it. But I don’t have experience with TT in the high school years to know exactly how rigorous it is overall. I know what they say is they have children who go on from TT who excel in college level math. So their levels aren’t necessarily equal to grade level. They are just the “next” level. But math is one of those things, if you don’t pause and just keep going, it’s always going to be better bc you’ll have less backtracking for review.
I’m not sure if their subscription is for a year or for a level for a year. So if you zoomed through a level in 7 months, could you move onto the next level with your year? That might be a question to reach out and ask them.
@@kayegenin123 I should also add….since I’ve made this video, I switched my oldest, now a 9th grader to Shormann math (Shormann’s actual math curriculum) and it’s very good and equally as cost effective as TT. It also grades online. It’s not as “cartoony” as TT, so less colorful and visual fun in that way. But it’s good. The first two years of the high school program earns you 3 math credits. I believe he also has a pre-Algebra program for Jr High.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I'm pretty certain you pay for the year and the level, but if they move up early, you have to purchase a new level. I'm good with going at my child's pace, but I also don't want to go to slow if they excel!
Hello! Thank you for this video! Where did you get those triangles for number families and that base 10 counter your daughter used?
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what did you use for your Kindergartener? Singapore Essentials? Where is that on their website? TIA
Yea, I used Essentials. I did also use the other Singapore kindergarten version (early bird) with my middle child, but it was a little more of cutting out and activities that I didn’t want. So they both work. I just wanted the Essentials the second time around to keep it simple.
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We are just starting homeschooling and planning to use Singapore math. My hardest part was choosing which line to use, since there is primary, dimensions, math in focus, and so many variations of Primary. How did you choose? Also, did you need the home instructor guide or was the textbook and workbook enough for each grade? Also, I wondered if you considered using Singapore Dimensions for 6-8 and if so why you chose to go with teaching textbooks instead. Also Dimensions does have a video series, Dimensions at Home that is available through the singapore website.
I never considered dimensions. I actually have a video coming up with why we chose teaching textbooks. Probably the main reason was that it was all online and made it easier on me, while making sure my daughter was learning.
We chose Singapore primary bc our first year homeschooling, we did My Father’s World, and Primary U.S. Edition was what they recommended. And I also have a close friends who had been homeschooling for years and I asked her advice, and she had told me all the things about Singapore that I said in this video (the mathematical inclined part is what caught my attention). So that’s why we chose it.
Also, I do not use the home instructor guide. But if you want prompts on what math manipulatives to use, or more clear instruction on how to teach it, that’s what you would need it for.
I just use the textbook and explain myself.
Math is something I really struggled to pick. I'm not math inclined at all..I mean I got good grades in math, but it did not come easy and I really don't like teaching it out of all the subjects. Saxon so far has been best for our family. I won't do teaching textbooks, because I want to be screenfree as much as I can in our homeschool journey. In a world full of screens I'd just rather not expose them to it for math. I did Singapore with our oldest when she was very young, and it really didn't work out well at all. I just don't think it was for her. I feel she would have done A LOT better with Saxon, and we could have avoided A LOT of tears. She needs the repetition though and constant review. Our oldest boy out of four he really would do well with Singapore, but I'm sticking with what works for me to teach. I agree that Saxon is pricey though. I recommend going on ebay or somewhere like that and buying it used. The teacher's manual has A LOT more added activities to do and teach then just the worksheets. It really is beneficial in the younger grades.
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You’re very wise for avoiding screens!! We ended up leaving Teaching textbooks for that reason!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Only good choices I make comes from the Holy Spirit!!! Glory be to God! This world is full of A LOT of snares!! see so much of it in homeschooling materials :(
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I am an adult who wants to improve my math skills. Would a homeschool math program work for this purpose? thanks
I don’t see why not. You could always take the placement test on a program and start from there. I’d recommend (if I were doing this again) an online program like teaching textbooks or Shormann math (dive online - if you Google Shormann math, you’ll find the dice online site). But both of those programs teach you online, give you practice online, and grade it for you.
Why did your son not do Singapore 6a/b and did Saxon 8/7 instead? My son is doing Singapore 5b right now and I don’t know if I should make him do Syngapore 6a/b instead of Saxon 8/7.
Singapore advances differently than Saxon. Singapore 5 was getting into algebraic concepts. I switched to Saxon so I could he’s the video instruction, rather than me teaching him bc he needed somebody else explaining things to him.
do you mind sharing what the ten frame manipulative is called that your daughter used when problem solving? I have one that would find that very helpful for processing!
I have it linked in the description. It’s just called a foam tens frame.
Would it be a bad idea to go from a mastery to spiral approach when their older?
Not necessarily. I think it depends on how your child learns best. My oldest did the mastery approach through 7th grade and he switched to the spiral this year. I think the only thing about the spiral approach is if your child is very good at math, I wonder if that approach would bore them. But if that’s the case, you could always assign odd and even numbers to the review problems, if that makes sense.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I believe it bores my kids when there’s 50 or more questions in a lesson.
@@stephaniecote7067 yes that’s a lot of you already have it down!
Thoughts on Singapore Primary vs Dimensions?
I’ve never looked at dimensions. :( so I’m not sure. But we use primary bc our first year we used the My Fathers World curriculum and primary is what they suggested.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I looked into that too. What they said was the technique for primary is proven. It's not proven for dimensions and it's different. It's geared more for the US. That's why I didn't choose dimensions because the US is not competitive with math.
@@franny5295 that’s good to know!! Thanks for sharing that!
Very helpful
Thanks for watching!
You say Singapore scores hogh versus the U.S but who establishes the ranking and based on what?
Some global standard of math. Math is pretty black and white. It’s either right or it’s wrong. It could also be a cultural thing. Many Asian cultures emphasize a rigorous education and high scores maybe more than the US.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I see thank you.
Hi! Would you consider switching back to Singapore after using Teaching Textbooks now?
I would bc I love Singapore. But with that child that I switched for, I’ve since tried the good and the beautiful math and am now trying learn math fast. So I’m going to see how those go first. But I would consider it bc I’m having to do 1x1 math tutoring with this child anyway.