How your TV settings ruin movies
Вставка
- Опубліковано 30 сер 2022
- Your TV is ruining your TV. Make it stop.
Subscribe and turn on notifications 🔔 so you don't miss any videos: goo.gl/0bsAjO
Your TV finds lots of ways to adjust your picture. You might not want any of them.
Motion smoothing, sharpening, brightness, contrast, and saturation are all adjustments that your television makes to your picture. These can differ wildly from what filmmakers intend and, sometimes, that’s a nightmare.
As the above video shows, these adjustments are subtle but significant, especially when viewed alongside the original image. Fortunately, there is a solution - TV manufacturers have begun adopting new modes like “Filmmaker Mode,” which largely remove television tweaks to an image.
Further reading:
alliance.experienceuhd.com/
You can learn more about what the UHD Alliance is and what it does here.
• Filmmaker Mode Denis...
Filmmakers prefer you turn off TV tweaks, as in this PSA by Dune director Denis Villeneuve.
www.change.org/p/hdtv-manufac...
Once the 4K TV revolution began, cinematographer and director Reed Morano led the charge against TV tweaks using this petition on Change.org.
Make sure you never miss behind-the-scenes content in the Vox Video newsletter, sign up here: vox.com/video-newsletter
Vox.com is a news website that helps you cut through the noise and understand what's really driving the events in the headlines. Check out www.vox.com
Support Vox's reporting with a one-time or recurring contribution: vox.com/contribute-now
Shop the Vox merch store: vox.com/store
Watch our full video catalog: goo.gl/IZONyE
Follow Vox on Facebook: / vox
Follow Vox on Twitter: / voxdotcom
Follow Vox on TikTok: / voxdotcom - Фільми й анімація
Want to see what a movie looks like when it’s shot and displayed at a high frame rate intentionally? Gemini Man was famously shot at a higher frame rate than normal, and it played in some theaters at 120 frames a second.
Online, you can find clips of the 60 FPS version, like this: ua-cam.com/video/vX2vsvdq8nw/v-deo.html
Looks soo good even in 144p
any movie with a frame rate higher than 30 fps looks off imo
@@lukaazz6305 That's because we're far too used to see them at 24FPS (they're never 30fps)
we need for high fps movies.
@@D.Enniss yea i think its because old movies used to have lower framerates so people have associated lower fps with a more cinematic feeling
I use to be outraged by the over-sharpening of images on my parents TV when I understood that their vision was simply not great and that those halos around edges was what they needed for the image to *feel* sharp at a distance, so I gave up.
I came here looking for this comment.
@@jamesb2028 wait huh? you already knew this very specific comment was gonna be here? whatttt???
@@liaselleaeri probably a comment talking about sharp images help people with bad vision 🌚👁️👀👁️👀👁️👀👁️👀👁️👀🙂👍👍👍
That doesn't make sense. An over sharpened image does not appear sharper to someone who can't make out the difference. I guess your comment makes sense if the oversharpening is something they cannot perceive due to vision problems.
@@liaselleaeri its a phrase people use saying like "I was hoping someone had the same thought as I did and commented it first so I dont have to"
I’m the guy who when he comes over he fixes all of these settings lol
Nice
Yes! Same here :D
And we thank you
I always do that and it takes like 2 hours 😭
Same here.
Respect 🥲
Cool, now do one about how the poor quality of built-in speakers in modern TVs has caused a drastic rise in the use of subtitles because everything is an unintelligible mess.
Maybe it’s intentional so you can go out and purchase higher quality sound equipment? Ie the Sound Bar.
@@kaylanotsmiley7006 I have higher quality sound equipment and it's still absolute trash to try to listen to. Dialogue is still so hard to hear and then I'm afraid of waking up the kids when any action sound happens.
@@DeathRoadVolMU If you’re lucky your AV receiver might have a limiter you can set which automatically reduces the volume over a certain threshold. You will lose sound dynamics but gain in quietude.
I can vouch for sonos equipment. They have a speech mode and night mode for exactly this. Crystal clear and levels the sound very naturally. Sounds great when you want it to
Who ever used builtin speakers in earnest? An amp and a couple of speakers are like $20 at a thrift store, you can get an OK soundbar for a few hundred, or get a decent audio setup at about half the price of whatever TV you have.
When I was visiting my parents over the summer, we watched a movie on their television and it looked absolutely horrible. It was so bad that I had to stop a few minutes in and look through the settings until I found a way to turn off the adjustments. My parents had somehow never been fussed by it, but when we started playing the film again the way it was supposed to be shown, my mom said, "Oh, wow, I see what you mean."
My friends were the same way. Except they didn't notice the before and after lol. It was almost unwatchable for me
my parents have a TV that must have a terrible refresh rate and I doubt they even notice
I’ve had this exact same experience. “Wow, you can actually see the hairs on their face and the weave of their clothes!” Adjusting the colour balance so the sky and grass wasn’t neon was important too.
So it’s not genetic-but more likely generational.
Like working at a video store in the 90s trying to explain the concept of widescreen to older people.
I don't understand how folks go to movies in the theater and then notice no difference on TV motion smoothing. I feel like I'm in la-la land sometimes.
This is sooo good! I really hate how TVs ruin the look of content, so a filmmaker mode is something I desperately want! Now if only they could stop ruining computer mouse input as well
Oh god I go through so many hoops everyday with my computer to make sure I'm using raw input
WDYM?
@@Nate-bd8fg gaming mouse baby
@@Anonymous-yb1ho that's one small step yes
@gary oak that’s only going to get you ball park. Every single panel is different. Buy 2 of exactly the same tv and input the exact same settings, calibrate them and I bet you they will have different values.
Clearly some of these are over brightened but the trend of everything being so dark it’s downright impossible to see what the heck is going on has got do be the driver for this. Sound is the same. I’m constantly having to adjust my settings between things that are recorded so you can actually hear the dialogue and things where the effects and music are 10x louder than the dialogue.
I know, Some films are just to dark to see even with every curtain in the house shut, in the middle of the night, I have to turn my brightness up, just to see whats happening.
@@TCJones most movies are designed for theaters. In a movie theater, the actual projector is incredibly bright. Brightness and contrast are different things. go ahead and turn up the brightness your screen actually displays at, but the contrast (which tv's like to call "brightness") "should" be unchanged
Preach brother!
Ironically, you just completely proved the point the video was getting at. The reason you're complaining about things being too dark and the sound being too variable is because you're not using the correct screen or audio setup for what you're watching.
Your screen likely doesn't have enough dynamic range to show what the filmmakers intended.
The sound is interesting - most movies are mastered for Dolby 7.1 surround sound. This means that there will very likely be an entire speaker, at the minimum, dedicated to the dialogue. You're probably playing sound out of stereo speakers, while still having some "surround" setting turned on - this means 7 tracks of audio are getting crushed into two, and obviously quiet things won't be able to beat the loud things.
It's probably because they are edited in pitch darkness
We need to also talk about sound mix and sound projection at home. I find myself having to watch English language films with English subtitles on.
Yep. I have to watch things in subtitles these days.
Plus it just sounds so crispy and compressed.
I went to see Nope at the cinema recently and oh gosh I've become so reliant on subtitles.
That's is really an issue
@@spencehutchinson1904 bcz it it if you watch movies on streaming sites
TV's should definitely tackle the sound of movies better... I absolutely understand that the best way to view a movie is with a proper speaker setup, but most people can't afford that or don't even know how to do it. TV's have speakers right out the box and they should account for making a movie sound properly. Usually I have to either suffer though really loud music in order to hear what people are saying in a dialogue or turn on the subtitles and never really hear what they say.
Yes, I am unable to use an expensive sound system because the subwoofer carries through to the apartment below me, so I can only use a stereo sound bar. I very frequently have to adjust the volume because dialogue is super quiet and then action scenes have insanely loud music.
I recently saw someone suggest that Blu rays or digital content have different audio tracks for different settings, so that you wouldn't have to watch a movie with a remote and turn it up and down in between action and dialogue.
Ah i thought my TV having this issue when watching movies, such a turn off.
Look for settings like Night Mode, News Mode, or Compression. These will typically reduce the difference between the loudest parts and quietest parts. It’s often called night mode because it makes it so you can turn the volume down and still hear the dialog.
Sound bars are not so expensive anymore..
Samsung smart fridge has the highest quality for watching movies
No capppp
It’s my main rig to play Skyrim
@@AceChampElite but can it run Doom?
@@abishaakmal7455 No, but it can run Crysis
I got too tired to explain this to people or complain about TV settings. You are always the odd one if you do this, even if you offer to fix it. Now that these videos are coming out from public figures I hope people finally adopt it.
Unfortunately there is still the type of people that insist: "The higher frame rate the better. The directors intention doesn't matter. What matters is fluid motion."
Especially for animation, where sometimes it is supposed to be choppy to have a greater impact. And interpolation can simply not draw inbetween animation with intention.
Interpolation being bad aside, there's also the argument about 24 fps vs native 60+ fps footage having a completely different feel. At 24 the motion is reasonably smooth and going higher you lose the cinema feel that has been intentionally kept through decades of evolution of film production. Smoother motion beyond a point is not strictly better, only different.
@@frankthetankricard In the same vein, it's not strictly _worse,_ either.
I feel that some are returning to cinema gatekeeping when they say so. Art is subjective.
me be the one who cares about PQ but don't mind the interpolation if it's not too severe.
I in fact sometimes prefer the more fluid look than the choppy nature of 24hz (I know, I know).
Edit: I'd also like to add that I grew up with home video and CRT TVs for watching most of movies. Very few cinema sessions. As such for me 24fps doesn't have any particular feel, it just feels juddery.
Goes to show that a big part of the 24fps argument is just pure nostalgia/we are used to it.
And to go against the argument of "you wouldn't change a chef's creation", I absolutely would! if I don't like the taste of a food I order, I'm self conscious enough to adjust it to my liking without prejudice... 😅
And finally, there is some merit to the default setting of TVs, most people don't watch movies in light controlled rooms. A lot of dark scenes look horrible during daylight with lots of reflection. If default is cinema mode, a lot of TVs will get returned for has PQ.
Sometimes we have to put our snobbery aside and understand most people simply don't care about intention of director and just want to watch their movies and enjoy them.
it's important that modern technology allows movie snobs to seamlessly out themselves in a social setting.
I understand what you mean, I'm on the same boat, but I still make my movies 60fps either through AI or interpolation cause I like it that way, that's it, I like them looking like real life.
Weird how manufacturers just didn’t make ‘smoothing’ an option and standard the default. Would save a lot of stuff not looking like poor video
manufacturer have done their research and having smoothing on by default sells more tvs, basically people just want their ketchup
You could probably blame this on consoles since not many use a tv for tv and movies anymore at least it dont seem to be as normal as it used to be
Good manufacturers (like LG) always have build-in disable switch, and additionally intensity of effect (often).
@@pappo666 game console users want to use Game Mode - the mode with 0 enchancements. Otherwise player feels a huge input lag created by post processing of game frames.
@@TerryLondon But game mode change colors in bad way. This is mode to fast switch between colors of pixels. Its built to avoid black2black, and use gray2gray - it decrease input lag, but cost quality of picture. Its is important for games, but terrible for movies.
A lot of people are aware of these things, but we are scared to mess with the settings because we don't fully understand all of them and don't want to mess it up “permanently”. 😅 Changing settings for every movie or tv show can be daunting.
Most TVs have a "reset to factory" function in their picture settings menus.
That's why The Annoying Video Geek Who's Gonna Fix It For You was created by our almighty God
But you’re not changing them for every movie. That’s the point, you’re disabling the TV’s default settings once
Who needs or wants to change settings for every movie or TV show? That's not a realistic scenario. All we want is the standard to be presented in the way the show maker meant as much as feasible. TV makers can do this, but they just aren't.
@@matthewweflen Most TV's factory settings have motion smoothing enabled.
I honestly never know what to expect from Vox but I’m never disappointed 😅
The rise of Khalilah Ali next em Vox
The sort of videos Phil does are my favourites. Though, honourable mention to Estelle's earworm stuff.
Using comic sans in the thumbnail is genius.
666 likes
Lol "69"0th like
Its also worthwhile to note (that wasnt really in this video) is that TV has wildly different hardware than film/projector setup like in a theatre. TVs are backlit (often from multiple places on the screen) which makes things like contrast, saturation, and overall dark colors difficult to match.
Motionblur/smoothing is one thing, but many of the color setting talked about cannot be fully fixed.
Looks like you haven't heard about OLED
Depends on the kind of tvs, some are edge lit tvs(the cheaper ones), some have more local dimming zones then others, and then there’s OLED
What’s really infuriating is that when I go to a friends house and they haven’t turned the motion smoothing setting off and so I do it for them and they say they can’t see any difference. How do you not see the un-natural and creepy way that the people in your favourite movie are moving?!
To me, the answer to that is simple. Some people just can't make a distinction. LOL! Everyone is different. It's the same for audio. I know people who couldn't tell you the difference between analog and digital, or a .mp3 from a .wav file if their life depended on it. For some, it's just not that deep. It's more about enjoying a thing, and not caring about other intricate parts of it. Because of this, I have learned to be more tolerant of others, and consider some things from their perspective.
Why are you deciding what’s best for them? Just let them watch it how they want, what they don’t know won’t hurt them
@@willy4819 as their friend they want them to have the best experience, it's a pretty normal thing to do.
It can be hard to see the difference when it's not side by side and they have no idea of what you're talking about and what to look for.
I hate regular people. How can you not see a difference
Some TVs also have a “game” mode that will turn off some of these features to improve latency. It’s designed for video games, but can also be useful here.
Yes! Surprised he didn't mention that.. This is the first thing I set when I encounter a TV
These Vox nerds probably don’t know what video games are
I'm pretty sure this mode will increase saturation and contrast. Which is helpful in a game to decipher individual elements but is still different from how the director mastered the film.
@@waxywabbit1247 Actually it does the opposite. It'll turn off every single processing features that may interfere with latency and, at least on my TV, makes the picture look dimmer and less saturated.
What I'm guessing is that it's done so that you can control the brightness and saturation to the game/console itself (a lot of games have brightness/saturation settings after all).
@@waxywabbit1247 it's not about making a game visually better for gaming, it's about improving latency by disabling post processing
Also, 4K and sharpening really highlights film grain in an annoying way
Film grain is good
I just tried watching the Godfather 4K release and it looked like film was fizzing due to all the film grain
@@adamdavis5056 L
@@adamdavis5056 Because it helps movement, not if it's sharpened as if it were an IG filter.
I'm still mad about the buffy HD remaster - it was such a botched job and they removed the film grain during the remaster so everyone looks like a barbie doll come to life 💀
Good to see filmmaker mode being adopted. I think interpolation is okay for sports, but that's basically it.
It's also great for live event programs like concerts and comedy shows or Nat Geo and Discovery stuff. But like they said the software just isn't ready yet to not produce artifacts 🥺
For anime its really good, or documetaries
@@Jericho93py sacrilege...
It's really confusing to see everyone taking a dump on interpolation when 60Hz TVs and monitors technically can not recreate 24fps (much less 23.967fps), and the motion just ends up being uneven and choppy because it periodically has to show the same image for longer to sync up the screen refresh rate to the movie. Coming from gaming where we now laugh at 30fps and hearing this video just say "we're not used to it, so it shouldn't exist" doesn't make much sense to me. I understand 60 fps out of the studios would require a lot more money and effort, so wishing for that is a lost cause, but saying you shouldn't try to mask the obvious incompatibility between content and device without offering a better solution is not gonna work. I agree that there should be a way to make the TV show everything truly 1:1, and I did calibrate my sets the best I could for true color, gamma and contrast(I especially hate dynamic contrast when the brightness changes every time I open the menu, so it's for sure doing some shenanigans it shouldn't). That being said, motion interpolation is an imperfect solution to a real problem.
P.S. I have no problem with 24fps in cinemas
@@Garry646 yt is disgusting... it deletes my comment again... i dont know what to change so it would get through... sick and tired of it.....
I still think brightness can be an even worst villain.
Most TVs I've seen in other people's houses didn't have blacks,
only 50 shades of gray.
Not everybody has a OLED tv.
@@Paulxl Who said anything about OLEDs?
Dude, we can have decent blacks since the times of the last CRTs.
Most people don't have anything close to an ideal setting just because they never Google it.
There's a bunch of guides on the internet showing how to adjust the basic settings, without even needing any professional measuring equipment neither.
Adaptive backlight/dynamic contrast/auto-dimming systems can help with that.
It's all good, but i had to disable the "Filmakers mode" in order to actually see the movie. Unless the room is totally pitch black, on some movies you just see a black screen with some smudges on any low light scene.
How about film directors edit the films thinking on the conditions they will be seen, not as if everyone sees them on cinemas? I had to remove the Filmakers mode while seeing "Sandman" on Netflix, a production that will NEVER be seen on a cinema... why are they editing it as if that was the case?
What tv do you have?
I just watched Sandman.. And so much yes.
Yeah they should still allow brightness, that is independent of any other setting, and just depends on the light of the room the TV is in.
@@Carewolf exactly this. So long as it’s actual brightness (how much power is going to the backlight or the LEDs) vs adjusting the content itself to appear brighter, that’s pretty much the only setting we need control over.
@@stephengris2988 It needs to boost the brightness of the rendered colors to work right, but it just shouldn't do it in a way that changes saturation or hue.
As a video editor, it is shocking to me that TVs can just add frames that were not in the final edit. Frame rate is super important, creatively, and it should not be messed with in the same way the sound should not be messed with.
On the sound though, there's also lots of processing and filters added by players, headphones, etc. It's a problem beyond film.
Why shouldn't I? I have the freedom to watch the movies I bought however I want.
After all, isn't art subjective? What you think is super important might not be as important to some other people.
As a content creator and professional artist, I think it’s important to know how to view the original intent but it’s equally important to give the one paying for art the ability to enjoy it however they please and indulge their own preferences. 24fps was not a “creative” decision, it was a practical one based on the lowest common denominator to make it look passable and to keep costs down, particularity with cg heavy films…to me it looks like a stuttery mess after getting used to motion smoothing turned up halfway on a set known for being the best at handling motion blur
@@mstyles2182 it is a creative decision today though as you could very easily release a movie with a higher frame rate (especially on a streaming platform), however aside from a few experiments pretty much no one opts to since it looks subjectively worse and audiences complain about it.
@@aruak321 the issue isn’t how easily it can be “released”, it’s that it can’t easily be created when taking into account all the post processing and extra CG frames that would need to be rendered. You would also need to have a higher bit rate for data transfer and make sure your servers and enough of your customer’s internet speeds are fast enough to handle it to make it financially feasible…
this happened at my friends house and they genuinely thought it looked good
And so you left it alone since they already had it exactly how they like it right?
Right?
This is one of the best videos I've seen on this subject. I want to see what the director intended not some oversaturated, over bright, over blown picture. For me it ruins the movie watching experience. So on my LG C1 I set it to Filmmaker mode and that's it and it's been that way ever since I bought it last March. Great video and thanks a million for posting.
VOX is answering one of the biggest questions I’ve had since a child (an avid TV Viewer) about the TV lol
Um.. then you must still be a child? This tech in consumer televisions is barely 15 years old.
@@bbloomfield6497 I am, in Moira Rose’s words, a “Bébé”.
@@bbloomfield6497 15 years ago I was definitely a child but I’m not one now - I’m 20. which is still super young of course but not a child haha. I initially agreed with you though because I thought this technology was younger.
Since you were a child? And you never thought to just google it?
Thank youuu! I've been trying to understand why this happens for such a long time. I knew something was off, it was basically like watching every single movie as if it were shot by a youtuber. Somehow the magic of cinema had been ripped off of movies and I couldn't figure out why because I didn't even know how to describe it.
Thank you for tackling this subject. I swear there are TVs where it's impossible to turn off all the motion smoothing and dynamic contrast. I wish you had shown more examples though, as most people don't seem to notice how bad it ruins the experience.
This problem really needs to be addressed more often. Filmmaker-mode is relatively new, and while it is awesome on tvs that have it, it is not the end of the story. Firstly, most people never bother to look into the settings at all, figuring the manufacturer has pre-set the display optimally, and for this reason I think filmmaker modes should be the default setting. Worse, tvs like the samsung in this video use still have sharpening on by default, and even have an "eco brightness" mode which automatically adjusts brightness based on ambient room lighting. Really, manufacturers know how to optimally tune their products, but instead juice up colors and motion to better sell at big box stores like best buy, where all consumers see is brightness, color, and contrast, with little to no regard for accuracy.
If someone never messes with the picture settings, I don’t think they’re missing anything as they obviously don’t care.
For anyone wondering how to get the best image quality out of your set without having to spend money on professional calibration (or equipment to do it yourself), the general rule of thumb is to set your picture mode to whatever your TV's equivalent of the "Film" preset is (film, movie, cinema, etc.), turn off all enhancements, anything related to motion or "smoothing," set the color temperature to whatever the warmest setting is (if it isn't already; most film modes do this by default) and turn the sharpness down to 0 (again, if it isn't already).
If you have a newer, higher-end display, it may have a "Filmmaker Mode" or ISF presets (the ones on my LG CX are lebaled as "ISF Dark Room" and "ISF Bright Room." These are generally the most accurate presets you can get, so they're your best bet if image quality and accuracy is of prime importance to you.
One thing to note on image smoothing. It's a problem. However, slow panning shots that look great on IMAX at 24 fps look awefull on sample and hold screens. And considering all modern tv's are sample and hold it's a problem. Image smoothing *does* make those specific shots better
And depending on the panel type you also get extra ghosting and trail blur that you wouldn't get with a good projector. It's all a trade-off.
Some do a better job than others. Some manufacturers try to remove judder whilst maintaining that 24p look overall.
I'd argue that they often look awful in the cinema as well. Especially noticeable on horizontal camera movements, especially if you sit in the first 3-4 rows
More people need to be talking about this! Maintaining that long established 24fps footage is NOT the best way for the industry to proceed given how much of that content will be viewed on screens that simply look awful at that framerate.
With these sample and hold screens, content should be getting shot at 60fps.
@@The124cbr it's not that simple unfortunately as in videogames for example. First of all we've used to 24 and many people hate the "soap opera effect" even if picture is much clearer at higher framerates. Remember that Hobbit was shot at 48 fps and many didn't appreciate the looks
This explains so much! I was watching a show with a lot of action scenes and couldnt shake the feeling that there were a ton of distortions. Now i know.
The examples shown here are a pretty bad look for TVs, though I will add one asterisk to the notion of "the director's vision": there are _some_ cases where the director is just wrong. I notice this mostly in audio, where for some movies I have to be actively futzing with the volume for the entire dang movie, 'cause if you set the volume so you can hear the dialogue, then the action scenes are deafening, and vice versa.
**Christopher Nolan has left the chat.**
That because the movie has been mixed for theatres, they should have a streaming mix and a theatrical mix
Or they add artificial camera shaking because they think it adds tension or drama, when in reality is just makes half the audience motion sick.
Yup.
I don't mind if there's color alteration if it makes me see movies clearly. There are more and more movies that being churned out that's too dark literally dark that you can't see anything, while I understand the intention of cinematographers for such colors or lighting, but some are just way overboard on being dark.
It's a more affordable way of filming too, hence to why it's trending. It's cheap
game of thrones?
@@fuadsyawal7461 yep, Obi Wan Kenobi, Euphoria etc.
Game of thrones was extremely dark I couldn't see anything for a good chunk of the battle.
I'm sure it looks good in a pitch black editing room or cinema but it's just too dark in my regular front room
not changing the visuals from what the director intended is all well and good , but if there is a TV setting to up the dialog volume compared to background sounds in a Nolan movie, i'm all for it! (Edit: Without having to read the entire movie from subs! Man why should I have to, for a language I already understand?)
HA! Never gonna happen, but a great idea. It is feasible though, they are on separate tracks, as is the music, so if your system has that capability...
Yes, it's called Subtitles ON 🤭
Use a home theater system, movies with sound mixed in 5.1, 7.1 and Atmos, mostly likely will have the dialogue coming from the center channel speaker, you can turn down the level for all the other speakers so you can have the dialogue coming out louder than the music and sound effects
@@FranciscoBurrola this is exactly what I did.
@@FranciscoBurrola or just turn up the center
I always turn off the motion interpolation by default. Meanwhile, my parents can't even tell the difference between 60Hz and 30Hz so interpolation means absolutely nothing to them.
it truly blows my mind how people can't tell. you know most people can't tell that their new pro iphone has a screen with double the refresh rate either
Cause they have cheap vision.
It’s not that bad grow up
@@walmanthegreat I have, that's why my tastes have refined and I'm not content with whatever I'm given and I have the means and knowledge to change it. Sounds like it's you who needs growing up.
@@needamuffin it really depends on the person. if the can't tell how much does it REALLY matter? if they like it well then there you go. if I spent $5K on a tv and couldn't turn it off then I'd actually be mad
kind of related, I wonder how NVIDIA's DLSS 3.0 compares with frame interpolation on tvs?
Every friend and realative's house i've gone to in the last 10 years have had smoothing turned on, and I always ask if I can adjust their settings. I'm really thankful for this video. More people need to realize how modern TVs are ruining movies.
I agree that TV makers are overdoing it, but just show it like the filmmaker intended is not a straightforward solution.
People usually don't watch movies in a perfectly dark room on reference displays worth tens of thousands of dollars but in rooms with a lot of daylight on comparatively bad TVs.
But even if you have a pretty good TV and watch your movies in dark rooms you don't see the file that came out of edit, you see the version that went through your streaming provider who applied as much compression as they could get away with.
So TV manufacturers have to get creative if they want to make sure the watching experience is still passible.
Yes this. You can see it in their Dune example or with the infamously dark Game of Thrones episode. Sometimes when movies are made for the theaters or checked on perfectly calibrated monitors, they don't match up in people's actual living rooms.
Conclusion: if you watch it in good conditions, do as they say, otherwise don't.
I prefer to just crank the backlight levels when that’s the case. (Note: for some TVs the ‘Brightness’ setting is not making the backlight brighter, it’s adjusting the content to make it appear brighter thus distorting the image)
Oled displays have become so good that every single one of them could be considered a studio display
No amount of adjustment will ever restore the contrast and black depth as it should be, unless you own an oled (and they're not without other flaws). If I set the brightness over the top, I might see something but it still not become a good image.
I always find very pedantic when a movie maker blame the user for its TV settings, when they make their films intentionally too dark, it might look awesome on a studio monitor but they forget money is a limitation us mere mortals have to deal with ... and even all theaters are not made equals, and you have no control over the settings there
So in short your argument is: Because the content you see on your TV has been processed so much already, the TV manufacturers have no choice but to overprocess the image even more? And turning 24fps into 60fps does exactly what in this case?
At the same time, there’s a discussion to be had in regards to whether people have to consume content as the creator intended or consume what they find is their best experience. I think choice and making all choices easily available to the average person is the best path, which is sort of what the tv manufacturers did when creating different display modes
You can't consume it as it was intended anyway (unless you have the same professional monitor it was used for producing it) so you may just watch the way you enjoy it...
@@Beregorn88 Right. If the movie's any good, it really won't matter that much how you watch it. And once you share your art it's no longer entirely up to you how that art will be consumed or interpreted.
@@TheRockinDonkey The tricky part is, that people will watch your Art on the worst monitor they could find and then afterwards complain about the filmmaker for the bad visual quality...
It's so good to see I'm not alone! When motion smoothing started to be a thing there often was no way to turn it off and because a lot of people didn't complain I was worried we would be stuck with it forever. But there's hope...
The frame-blending has always driven me nuts in particular. Somehow people think that looks good...
Even though I love my LG OLED, the fact that it took 30 minutes to edit the settings to get a true cinema image is a joke. I know manufactures are adding film maker modes, but even they need a few edits to get it great.
I decided to just spend the $300 to have my Sony A80J ISF calibrated.
@@WilliamJSisti what?? That's a thing???
@@Nate-bd8fg yup. They bring a measuring device and a signal generator. Then they adjust the colors. Took the guy like 5 hours of tweaking
True. And they forgot to mention that on content not mastered with Filmmaker Mode metadata, it reverts back to Standard (or whatever mode the tv was on before). So you should really calibrate your SDR, HDR, and Filmmaker Mode profiles so that you keep the best picture on all content.
@@WilliamJSisti Couldn't have spent less to buy the gear to do it yourself.
Same thing applies to music. Audio engineers spend a huge amount of time mastering music just for you to crank up the bass in your cars EQ settings. Unless you know your specific speakers frequency response, I always leave my EQ’s at noon
I've been trying to tell people about the motion smoothing problem for a LONG time, and there was no information at all about the issue or about how to solve it, finally they are doing something about it.
Long time subscriber to this channel, really liked how this was made! A light touch of thematic elements to break up and smooth out all the information so it's not just a docu-info-video. Well done!
I would like to have an advanced tv where movies and shows could have optimal settings codes that the TVs could read and adjust the settings automatically for
I remember experiencing light motion sickness when watching a movie at my friend's house which their TV had motion smoothing on. It felt like I was RIGHT THERE in front of the actors. It felt TOO real.
Its a matter of taste I guess. Some stuff I think looks great in 60fps. Most stuff I want unchanged.
I know exactly what you mean. It's actually way too distracting for me.
It gives a recorded from your phone vibe. It’s awful
“It’s felt too real” too immersive, gotta go back to choppy unrealistic 24FPS SMH 🤦♂️
I have the opposite problem that 24 doesn't feel real enough, and 72 is only decent.
FINALLY! I've been quietly unnerved by this odd, uncanny look of newer TVs for years, but I could never explain it. Now we know what it is! Bravo
Its impressive how they make a simple topic so captivating
I personally prefer the over contrasted look on my TV even though I'm well aware it is not the intended look. It's good to be aware of all your options but ultimately it's your TV so put it on whatever mode you like the most.
@@BillRey Its his tv he can do with it watever he wants for f sake
Thank you for making this! More people need to know and care about this. TV manufacturers are basically ruining art. The filmmakers are artists and it's like a museum deciding to show art behind some rainbow film glass and you have to constantly keep peeling it off.
Thanks Vox for the explanation, I always knew there was something wrong when watching a movie on one of those TVs. Part of the reasons why I haven't rushed to buy one.
This made me immediately adjust my tv settings and my movie watch settings! Thanks Vox!
*Don't forget the audio side of things too!* HDR is the most sickened settings to play with!
The production value on these latest Vox videos has been absolutely excellent. Great work Vox team!
I am really grateful for the filmmaker mode. It is such an improvement.
I’m with you 100%. Unfortunately most people can not see the difference or they simply don’t care. But I applaud your drive to educate the public.
Well, if they'd quit making movies so dark that you can't tell what's going on...
It's not dark, it's rich - Erik Messerschmitt, ASC (Mank, Mindhunter)
I frequently have this problem. So I have to adjust my projector constantly because it ends up being either so dark you can't see a thing or so washed out you can't see a thing.
@@cbpd89 And then they wonder why TV makers invent "dynamic contrast" 🙄
Years ago I was watching a DVD at a friend's house on a Widescreen TV and it was obvious they had the settings on 4:3 Letterbox. It's a mode meant for 4:3 TVs, on Widescreen TVs it causes massive stretching of the image. They'd never noticed it was horrific. I even got told off for "fixing it" 🤷. Took seconds to switch the dvd player to 16:9 too.
Woooow, yea thats the worst!
My Mom and my sister do the same thing in reverse. They have their tv set to 16:9, even when watching full frame (4:3 videos) so it stretches all the characters out, width wise.
And then they even have zoom turned on, so theres no black bars, so the image is zoomed and stretched :O
Wow, this is the content that I didn't ask but definitely needed since I we have a LG TV.
Thank you Vox for another great explainer video on something I’m passionate about & most people don’t have a clue about!
I agree with the fact that most default TV settings are a complete disaster, especially the dynamic mode.
Just a little bit of criticism:
As is the case with most things, the way it's "intended to be experienced" isn't necessarily the way people want to experience something. "You are doing this wrong" doesn't apply as long as you are given the choice to experience something in its original vision (which should probably be the default) and are offered other options - a brighter environment (or bad vision) could force you to raise the brightness/sharpness and some people might just enjoy motion smoothing, for example.
The steak analogy/comparison would be good if Filmmaker Mode didn't already exist, but with its existence the waiter adding ketchup to the steak would have to be replaced with the person ordering the steak, adding ketchup themselves. Some people want ketchup on their steak, as questionable as that might be.
I agree. And the same thing can be said about the act of listening to music. Not everyone prefers (or can afford) listening to music on expensive hi-fi sound systems. Some might enjoy the tinny, lo-fi quality of some headphones or the over-the-top bass-boosting of other headphones. As an artist, I do understand the frustration of the director's vision not being aligned with how consumers tend to consume. Then again, the consumer probably doesn't share the same senses as the director, to begin with. What I mean by that, is that it would be naïve to think that ALL consumers perceive the director's art in the exact same way that the director can themself. Not everyone has a trained, creatively tuned eye or ear. That's why the director is the director, and the consumer is the consumer. In the end, taste is highly subjective, and gatekeeping is not very cool. Conclusion: To each their own, I guess?
There is no question about it, if someone likes ketchup with their steak, let them eat ketchup with their steak. You're not the one eating it or paying for it.
A few years ago I was watching movies with some friends at a sleepover at one of their homes and I noticed the smart TV made the movies almost 60fps artificially. Back then I still had a CRT TV and didn't know exactly about artificial frame rate enhancements but I could feel that the TV is doing something to the footage. Weirdly when I mentioned it to my friends they didn't get it and thought that was the way it should be. For me, it kinda ruined the movie-watching experience.
Thanks for the quick and easy step by step instructions on how to fix this "problem" so I can see for myself, on my TV, the difference .
Thanks for making this video and help to the people to get the correct path.
I have a lot of guides for OLED Tvs and videos too, and in these the first that I say is to deactivate all that things of the TVs.
TV manufacturers also have their share of blame, allowing these adjustments to owners. TV Makers will offer less "adjust" settings and only offer settings that REALLY matters.
What if there were a standard shape of metadata that could be provided by studios and read by smart TVs and even theaters?
recommendedDeviceSettings: { contrast: 'x%', fps: 30, ... } and so on.
This might be a nice way for film creators to suggest settings and devices to either match, or get as close as possible. Lower-end devices might have to make these fixes with artifacts, but the higher end could more accurately reflect how the film was intended to be viewed.
I fear the day when TV manufacturers stop letting us turn motion smoothing off.
It looks absolutely awful and it's the first thing I disable on every TV I get.
This "chef" analogy also works with "loudness war", today music is so dynamic compressed that it doesn't matter from where you get your music from, someone decided that a super loud music is good even though the original recording doesn't sound like that at all.
You're heroes for bringing this out into the public
As a gamer we know whenever there is something called "motion" just turn it off :D
I'm a bit of a display snob (mostly for photography work) but I honestly really hope more directors experiment with filming at higher frame rates. As I've gotten used to high refresh rate screens and video, I've noticed that a lot of movies shot at 24fps end up giving me a headache. I'm not sure if it's because of the frame rate itself or motion blur from the slow shutter speed that typically accompanies it. Action scenes where a narrower shutter angle was used tend not to bother me quite as much and frame interpolation actually seems to help as well. Either way, it's been frustrating to notice!
have you watched gemini man? Did it look good to you?
Absolutely. I prefer motion smoothing on. 120 fps or 24. The directors would shoot at 200fps if they had the tech, and didn't get complaints from old fashioned people. It's just not available
@@BigCarso I'm with you on that one. I for one like the smoother motion, because it more closely matches what we see in the real world.
If you haven't seen it yet, I'd highly recommend Avatar: Way of water. The movie was filmed with a higher frame rate, and even in 3D, it looked amazing in theatres. Everything was so smooth and gorgeous.
No the HFR scenes looked terrible. The train crash scene was a game cutscene, not a film@@BattleBladeWarrior
I have always been an advocate of authentic image with all image processing disabled but not gonna lie sometimes I had my doubts, but watching made me sure that authentic unprocessed image is the superior image!
I enjoyed the storytelling visual in this one! Hope to see more of it in the future!
I like a bit of extra saturation and a bit of gamma, makes the colors pop.
brightness = bad
gamma = good
"The way the director intended."
Yeah, right - Hollywood can't even upload trailers for their movies without baked-in black bars. I watch it on a 21:9 monitor, and I get black bars on the sides as well as on top/bottom.
Bro, so ture - Watch ponysmashers trailer of the new shazam film that he directed, he uploaded it to his youtube channel as he was annoyed he couldn't watch his own film in 2.39:1 in 4k without a massive box around the image
Cinema aspect ratios aren't 21:9, though...
@@wrongwayup. unless you’re Wes Anderson and then the concept of standard aspect ratios no longer applies to you
@@wrongwayup. There should still only be black bars on one axis
And for people to watch things as the director intended we'd need to ask what the director intended and what exact hardware to watch their movies on. If you're watching a movie on TN or IPS panel you're not getting the intended contrast, unlike VA and OLED but then you have other issues... So watch with a projector but then you need to set that up properly etc. You need your hardware to be calibrated, etc.
Motion interpolation drastically reduces some issues for me, so I'll keep it on, thank you very much.
always answering questions i never realize i had, thank you
Thanks for the tip! It's improved my experience watching films
I actually enjoy watching content in auto motion frames mode. What offen happens is low cost TVs doing it pretty awful.
Exactly … I have an LG C1 OLED and I’ve never noticed any difference with motion smoothing on vs off
Every company has their own word for it, officially it's called a soap opera effect, Sony called it motion flow. I remember seeing it on display with every TV in stores, I don't know why I hated it and everybody else looking at it seemed to agree
It's called Motion interpolation but soap opera effect is easier when explaining it
I LOVE motion smoothing!
This intro is SO GOOD! Kudos !
So nice to see this topic brought up. I am an avid defender for turning off all this enhancement stuff. It baffles me to know that there are so many people not seeing the distorted image. It's also a big thing with consoles. Gaming with "enhanced" settings is a nightmare.
If you've never been exposed to an accurate image, you don't have a reference point and probably don't care.
no video game console in history has motion interpolation, or any other "enhancement stuff"
@@berengerchristy6256 that's true. But I was referring to the TV not the console. Sorry for the confusion.
@@agschwend ah
What puzzles me about the filmmaker mode though is the brightness. I have trouble reading street signs in the picture for example, that I can read with a higher brightness setting.
And I got the impression that the movies for which I have the comparison of having seen them in a cinema, they were brighter there. That got me wondering if it is actually supposed to have this low brightness or if this could be an Oled-TV-issue.
A lot of the time, you have to play with the brightness AND the contrast. If you just turn one up or down you can start blowing out the picture where it doesnt look right, but if you adjust the two together, you should be able to find the right balance between the darkest and lightest scenes.
For example, if a scene is supposed to be pitch black, or has sections of the film in deep shadow, try to adjust the contrast/brightness and make sure your black looks as close to the "black bars" at the top and bottom of the screen as you can. Usually, if you match that up, all the other colors should look right as well.
If it’s HDR content, it has to be tone mapped to the OLED’s max brightness, which isn’t a consideration for laser projectors or LCD TVs. Eg the 1000nit max can be reached for small objects like muzzle flashes, but for bright daytime scenes it needs to be clamped down to 300-500. But you want to preserve all the ratios within the scene rather than just halfing everything. So each TV is a bit different in how it handles it…
LCD tvs have both a brightness and a backlight setting. I think OLEDs only have brightness.
It hurts my brain to even think of the soap opera effect!
The first thing I did when we upgraded to our LG OLED was tweak all the settings and the first was disabling all the motion control settings! Love LG though as it has built in modes like "filmmaker" and there's lots of adjustability in all the modes, but it definitely takes some time and patience.
I’m thankful the UHD Alliance is holding these TVs to actual filmmaking standards. I cant stand watching movies on these newer TVs especially when the TV settings keep resetting after I turn the TVs off. When is the Filmmaker Mode Setting becoming available?
I understand the issue, and personally don't like all of the extra interpolation, etc. ; But how is this any different than someone wanting to crank the bass or EQ their stereo? It's not how the sound engineer and producer intended the music to sound during mixing and mastering. It's subjective and personal preference of the consumer, right?
i think interpolation is forced on the consumer much more than adjusting bass or EQ, which is only achieved optionally.
You actually disproved your own point. Stereos (usually) don't crank the bass or mess with the EQ automatically--that's a setting users select. This isn't subjective. TVs should, BY DEFAULT, present media the way it was intended. Then, viewers should be able to change the settings to suit their preferences. The fact that so many TVs and monitors mess with the settings without users' express consent is what is so frustrating.
@@TheGrape1234 perhaps, I'm not out here trying out a bunch of TV's lol. On the couple I own it's an option "to reduce stutter" or something like that. Gives it that soap opera look 🤮
i remember me and my parents watching a movie at an air bnb - my dad and i were instantly distracted by the motion smoothing but my mum didn’t even notice. to me it stood out like a sore thumb and ruined the experience - it kind of make me feel sick!
Ho man i love this channel so much. Thanks for the quality work here.
I still have my CRT TV and I watch movies from DVD. It is one of the best models from Finlux and I've had it since 2005 when my grandfather died. People got fooled into thinking that CRTs aren't good enough, but for movies and old game consoles they're still great!
Now while it IS an absolute PLAGUE for any scripted content, motion smoothing frame interpolation features DO have their legitimate use cases! (Mostly for sports & other fast non-fiction content). It's not just bad tech for the sake of being bad tech as many think!
For super high speed 60Hz/fps broadcasted sports like tennis, motion frame interpolation can SIGNIFICANTLY help with ball movement smoothness + stability & thus visibility + tracking for example.
I thought most sports were already recorded in high fps and minimum motion blur from source.
@@RodolfoAmbriz but probably not sent to your TV in 120fps
Directors want everyone to experience their creation exactly the way they made it and TV makers hate that those creations make their expensive 8K60fps TVs look inferior.
This is a fight neither side can win and the best outcome is to let consumers decide for themselves like you did. No point making someone watch a movie at exactly 24fps with no color correction when they wouldn't notice the difference at all
honestly ive always noticed that weird motion blur thing but thats about it. I knew none of this so I am definitely going to check the settings. although I dont mind a bit of contrast and brightness and actually prefer it, I dont want all the rest of that.
Could have done without the intro setup, but you're doing the Lord's work VOX.
Me who doesnt care about tv settings and just wants to enjoy my movie
Vox: nooooo you can't enjoy things without being aware of why those things are PROBLEMATIC.
@@jonferngut nobody’s saying that lol, it’s just an informative video. knowledge is power
@@saltywafer it was just a joke.
@@jonferngut was it lol?
@@jonferngut fair enough
Yeah I was quite disappointed with my 4k tv at first because of this. So I literally turned off ever enhancement and then went through them 1 by 1 to see if they actually improved the picture.
The only thing I have enabled, is HDR upscaling. Basically giving me a higher contrast on non-hdr content. Which looks awesome on Splatoon 2.
You should also check out the tv calibration guide on Rtings, it’s brilliant
thats really good to know. i have a 50" t.v. i've been using as a monitor for the past few years. it was a pain finding different settings and changing them. having that one setting on a t.v. will be much better and pretty awesome
My 2012 flagship Panasonic Plasma is set to THX cinema mode, with sharpness dropped to zero all filtering and frame creating switched off and 24hz mode and pure direct image mode switched on. The image looks like a film projector, get the 24p character and solid grain visibly displayed.
Also make sure all filtering and frame creation is switched off in bluray player settings too.
@Reebs hopefully you ask their permission before you start adjusting someone else's TV settings. All of ours are specifically set exactly where I need them to be for a medical condition
Suggestion: How about an episode explaining why movies are usually made in 24fps?
It was the cheapest that still allowed for generally smooth motion at the time, and we haven't changed that standard ever because of the huge inertia of both the industry and consumers even though technology and content have changed drastically since.
@@LutraLovegood It's now an entrenched "look" that separates storytelling from documenting. Personally, I hope it stays.
Thanks for all the great content VOX
I'm not a fan of watching just about anything at a lot people's houses anymore. It's maddening how many ppl just accept the the really bad default settings designed to make their set look the brightest and clearest sitting on a retail store's wall under the bright glare of fluorescent lights. I have ended up getting a lot of compliments from guests that for some reason they enjoy watching movies more at my place. The first thing I do is turn off all the motion blurring and tone down all the "torch" mode color settings.