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Good job with your dogmatic biased views and uneducated beliefs. Saddest thing is you cant even disagree with opposing views in a respectable manner just totally disrespectful.
The ottomans were from A Turkish tribe named "Kayi".. After the fall of Seljuk Empire of Rum because of Mongols, they gained autonomy and became a Beylic(Its like a Emirate) and then overtime more Turkish tribes joined them and they started pushing into the Byzantine territories but they never really fought against the Mongols until there Ilkhanate fell..
I thought I clicked on the wrong video at first when I heard the music at the beginning, but it makes sense that he would watch Historia Civilis since he's amazing.
I heard that before Mars was romanized, he was a god of the Spring and healing. But Mars was later equated with Ares and became a war god. This earlier characterization could explain why Mars was equated with Alaunus.
@@Bobbob-dv4hp Mars may be a descendant of the Proto-Indo European god Perkwunos, which is a thunder god and ancestor of Thor, Perun, and Perkunos. So Mars may not have always been a war god.
This focuses on religion in hierarchical societies (which do tend to have hierarchical religions) but religion also of course plays a role, in a fairly different way, in less hierarchical societies, which is often reflected by the structure of the religions.
@@luboisfat There's all sorts, often the common term of 'paganism' is thrown over the lot despite many of them being completely unrelated, but the first such society I think of off the top of my head is the Sami and their traditional religion
@@Nosirrbro Interesting, I'll look them up. I was thinking of some Polynesians like the Samoans and some South American Natives from the Guaraní peoples. But yeah the Sami are unknown completely to me so I'm sure if it's related to what I imagined.
Instead of "modern" and "pagan/tribal" you gain more by labeling them "organised" and "unorganised" religions. Organised religions evolved probably in the age of the first high cultures, when for the first time in history several thousand people lived together and had to settle on a set of norms. Abrahamitic religions (basically proto- judaism and a few related branches) are a good example for this. I am not saying that this development was good or bad per se.
Dude, get outta here with all these pre-enlightenment grassroots religions. The Cult of Reason is where it's at. We love reason, we love nature, we love liberty, we love philosophy, we love books. *executes tens of thousands of non-rationals*
I can’t tell you how excited I got hearing you talk about the Ottoman Empire and the Chaliphat as a Muslim subscriber. We have such rich history and it gets brushed under the rug as “Oh they’ve been fighting over the same price of land for thousands of years”. Thanks for including our history :)
You guys have a great history and it sucks how often it’s either written off or sensationalized to spread xenophobia. The history of Abrahamics faiths is incomplete without Islam. In general, people tend to forget how much neighboring religions influence each other and share ideas.
My favorite story about political leaders being a third party mediator has to be that of Bulan Khagan of Khazaria. An Abassid qadi and an East Roman Bishop were sent to secure their respective empires' borders with the nomadic hordes through conversion, and they spent over a week in debates that went nowhere. Eventually, Bulan Khagan was so annoyed he putright asked the priest "Islam or Judaism? Which is superior?" and the priest, not wanting to give an inch to the Muslims said that the Jews were least offensive. The Khagan then asked the qadi "Christians or Jews? Who is better?" and the qadi, not wanting to give any credence to the Romans, said the Jews had the superior faith. So Bulan told them, and this is a direct quote "And so you have confessed woth your own mouths the superiority of the religion of the Israelites," and immediate summoned a rabbi to oversee his and his entire ordu's conversion and circumcision. Oh, and the raids continued as if nothing happened.
I’m glad you’re making Religion a several-part series here. There’s SO much history and SO much mechanics of religion to cover. Although, I hope that going forward the videos will focus less on history (even though historical examples are important) and more on how to worldbuild a religion. You know, like the components of a religion. The annual holidays, how strictly the religion is enforced, how the G/god(s) are worshipped (worship involving sex was very common outside of abrahamic religions), and if and how someone is allowed to convert if they were not born into that culture. And so many more aspects too! And how those aspects affect everyday life for the several castes or classes of the society! And that’s not even touching the myths that are common across several widespread cultures, like the World Flood Myth, the Storm God Who Kills A Giant Snake/Dragon, or the Flying Snake That Is Seen Only By Royal Blood. Among others.
Its pretty simple actually. A religion has 3 defining interconnected core elements: 1.) Core beliefs, explained either through mythology/mysticism or actual history from the region it originated from (Conventional logic and historical accuracy often does not apply. They are often influenced by the political state of the region at the time) 2.) Organization, which is basically the hierarchies that Stoneworks mentions a lot of (A lack thereof would technically be considered a cult) 3.) Rituals, which are literally methods of worship and devotion e.g. bloodletting, daily prayer, sacrificial offerings, displays of significant religious symbols or literature Start with deciding on core beliefs. Once you have that down pat, decide on how worshipers are organized and how they display devotion through ritual practices. Once you've done this, the religion can then be divided into different sects, where each group may have minor variations in the 3 core elements. If you want to be even more complicated, sects can then be divided into denominations, where each one will have even more variations from each other.
The “Irish Church” isn’t a thing, historically. They were always in communion with Rome. The disagreement was between two factions within the Roman Catholic Church-the Romano-British and the Celts.
I work hard to have the religious organizations in my fantasy novels to be carried despite the gods being a known thing. Just because they all know the gods are real doesn’t mean they all know what the gods actually care about.
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I love it when people acknowledge that catholicism provided bureaucratic services for quite a while. I mean clerks had to follow the canon law of the church instead of secular rule for ages
Some things to bring up in a possible future installment, is the effects of secularisation of a nation, or even state atheism. Another thing is that as it's fiction, writers have the ability to make their religion actually real, meaning that will impact a lot of how it functions & spreads.
I never realized that Gods can be explusive to one place and only influence it, kinda dumb of me. This was a good and informative video. Oh yeah and I also realize while watching two relgions in my setting compliment each other pretty well. One think before earth, there were the sun and a bunch of dragons, while the other has a story how the sun was made.
Should we forget when that quote unquote 'meek dying on the cross type of god' told his followers to sell their cloak and to buy a sword? Or when he cleansed the Temple of Merchants and Money Changers?
I had fun with this in my D&D world, where gods can literally choose kings. Screw primogeniture, the member of the royal family that develops divine magic gets to be the next monarch, head of church and state. Though since The Sundering, the church will indeed be fracturing.
We went to war because the British parliament was breaking their own constitution bc we didn't have representation in their government. Tea helped, but it wasn't the #real reason for the war of indie
Oh and ppl wanted to farm the land west of the Appalachians but the British had given that land to the Iroquois Confederacy, because they had fought on the British Side in the Seven Years War.
At the time of the Anglo Saxon conversion the church hadn’t been split and most of Christianity fell under the Chalcedonian church I clueing the franks
I am subscribed to you, but I don't remember watching any other of your videos. But I will. This was funny and interesting. It made me think about what role religion plays in people's lives and in history socially. Something I'm sure people will arrive at slightly different answers to when imagining their worlds...
Well, yeah, that's all very interesting and such, but what if your God builds themself a body and appears in the mortal world to take over political power themself?
2:45 Hvidekrist would beg to differ. There is some evidence of the Norsemen syncretising Jesus with an emphesis on the whole conquering death bit, because that sounded like a pretty nice skill, and then they kinda left the dying for human sin part alone
For the record, I'm a staunch pan-germanicist. That is the belief that ancient Germanic cultures while not hemogenous were more similar than different and very connected with one another. Basically when you say "Gods that were similar to the Norse ones" that's not entirely true. By all accounts, this was mostly a linguistic difference. They were the exact same Gods but called by a *slightly* different name. It's like saying Jesus and Yeshua are two different figures. They're not, one is simply Greek while the other is Hebrew. Wodan is Old English while Othinn is Old Norse. But all of the mythology which makes up everything we know about the Gods comes from the nordic Poetic Edda - which is the only authentic non-Christian source we have on Germanic Polytheism. Source: I'm a Sedian Asatruar (Orthodox Germanic Polytheist) and I've spent a few year shy of half of my life studying this stuff.
I'd love to see how this information can be applied to world building, as in I'd love to see videos that go over a more step by step process, building religions, where they stem from, etc. This felt like a history video, rather than a world building one. Very interesting, but yeah just some feed back for you! I've recently gotten into your channel, and am really enjoying the content.
You lied to us, this is a world history video, not info on creating realistic fictional history for a world. The Romans conquered the Greeks but the Greeks conquered the Romans.
"or by bird watching" Hey the polynesians used that to find new lands to settle. That being said, reading animal entrails... Yeah that's not gonna be super useful.
“The Crusades, the Balkans, the *SKYRIM CIVIL WAR*, the Aztecs…” I love that’s casually slipped into the middle of those, but is all by itself. Good times. Good times.
Geezer here.... Good history lesson, all well worth considering when world building. For myself, using a magic works rpg world. My world has a much more philosophy domination. To be blunt.... Ok so your "god" can manifest. Like in many published settings. Makes endless conflict opportunity. However. Magic works. So selling a religion is a hard battle. Oh sure, lip service will come easy. But belief, political power upsets..... Not so much. The established order uses magic, eliminating most plague and famine. Not utopia, not the dark ages. So when the old man wanders in telling tales of "god" giving out demands or whispering sweet nothings in his ears.... That many will expect to be a villain, fool or worse. Any number of creatures (or characters) could play "god"... It is a hard sell. Game on.
1) But -who watch the watchmen- in what mages believe? (being all-round-mega-logical-full -of-reason is against human psychology) 2) Unwashed masses don't give a damn to logical explanations why one can burn an entire village with a wave of the hand and other can put it our by looking at the fire funny. They are dangerous supernatural beings for them (even if magic is common common folk would look on them suspiciously) So I believe this situation will cause "religion creep" when even the most rational idea become a religion akin to Wh40k setting.
@@090giver090 The established order uses magic... Preventing famine, plague and other problems to good effect. The masses are alert... But hardly keen to dump the working order for a new upstart. Psychology of the masses in real world shows... Keep em happy and fed or at least thinking you are and the pitch forks stay in the hay.... Or perhaps in any would be upstarts.
@@nonya9120 " Keep em happy and fed or at least thinking you are and the pitch forks stay in the hay.... " Yes that's why I believe that masses will, in some time, view mages as gods (although benevolent). Humans tent to mistify what they do not grasp. And yes, mages should be the ruling class by that means.
I respect your banana mic, Stoneworks. Here's a question: How would you approach a world without organized religion and gods? How would the political dynamic work if there are no immortal beings you can use to justify your rule? I envision a D&D world where clerical magic derives from personal beliefs and philosophical ideologies. Would a king or queen's rule be less stable if they had to rely on some complex philosophical theory instead of a divine decree?
hmmm.... I imagine if they backed their rule up with philosophical theories they'd try to control the people's theories and education strictly. I imagine immigration from other places that challenge this would be a threat, so perhaps the states would be very insular
@@Stoneworks So, similar to 16th-century Japan, which banned all foreigners to resist Christianization? Or more like a dystopian dictatorship with state-controlled media, revisionist history, and propaganda channels? The Fire Nation schools from ATLA come to mind.
@@VinceValentine That's if you're deciding that they use complex philosophical methods to determine rulership. I'd guess it'd be closest to dictatorship if that happens, but I doubt every nation's leader would be successfully backed up by complex philosophical methods- especially since those don't translate well to the peasant-worker masses. Maybe at first the states would see a lot of instability, like how Roman emperors were routinely killed just bc they could easily place another one on the throne. Perhaps they'd harken back to ancient tradition, or style themselves as the protector of their cultures (like fascist dictators... but super over the top with the links to their society's culture? like if Hitler wore lederhosen to rallies and Mussolini wore a toga) The big problem would be justifying why those on top deserve to rule over everyone else. Maybe some would even become more democratic because the leaders fail to establish legitimacy.
@@Stoneworks I wasn't thinking of philosophies that are too difficult for the average peasant to understand, but some sort of ideology that a culture is based on, without referring to immortal, supernatural beings. Would that work as the basis of a government?
@@VinceValentine If you decide make a solid example of something that rulers could use to distinguish themselves from the rest of the people in society, it absolutely would.
If you're looking at pagan european pantheons, its also worth noting that most pre-christian European belief systems resembled each other largely because they were either direct or indirect descendants of the shared indo-european Gods that came with the indo-european-izing of Europe (a group of 7 to 9 gods with one male head who is usually related to the sun) Another, possibly more fun paralell point of interest are the whacky exceptions to this, either because a local culture took hard turn at some point in history and deviated from the Indo-European host of gods (WOO lets worship some swamp or some shit it'll be cool trust me dude *trust me*); or because those groups weren't descended from indo-europeans at all - A great example being the Uraic-Permian pantheon (to wildly oversimplify, an earth mother and her collection of lesser female deities/spirits, not a whole lot known as the Proto-russians kinda Boofed them out of existance before anyone in the area kept records) and the beliefs of the old Prussians (the ones the Teutonic knights Mr. Clean'd out of existance) which according to Bede believed in a creator god who abandonned his creation and the remaining gods were the successors (which IMO is kind of an awesome premise for a world in eternal, creeping decline towards non-magicalness) Anywho peace! love the growing worldbuilding series
I normally really enjoy your videos (to the point you’re one of three channels I’ve turned on notifications for), but I’m struggling to find the added value in this video. The history lesson is nice, but I’ve studied history extensively myself. Tell me what makes that history useful to me as a worldbuilder or how you’ve used it yourself in your own worldbuilding. Your unique analysis and thought process is what you bring to the table and what I watch your videos for. Also, you focused heavily on history that, frankly, every American schoolchild grows up learning. If you’re going to focus on facts, at least do research that I would struggle to do myself. For example, giving an overview of how Taoist and Buddhist thought and teaching affected politics in ancient China, something most of your viewers will know far less about. Or even just focusing on the politics of conversion in Germany or France, somewhere besides the UK, because much less information on that is available to me in English with a quick Google search. Also, given that most fantasy settings/worlds are polytheistic, an overview of the political power structure of a continent-spanning single cult that has consolidated all religious authority under one roof and doesn’t acknowledge the existence of any rival gods (i.e., the Roman and medieval Christian Church) is actually not that applicable. So the focus on it seems strange.
@@longiusaescius2537 First, it's ridiculous that the OP thinks that kids are "taught" that at school so such videos are unnecessary, because not everyone is interested in history when they're kids and studies history extensively like OP. Second, we are a part of the modern western civilization. Not of Chinese/Asian civilization. So it's obvious we find our own civilization more interesting.
Hi, Christian here! God is acttlly all Three! The Father, Son, & Holy Sprit(curse my dyslexia). Well, acording to most Christian idedolges & my own personal beliefs & understanding of the Bible. P.s. Please Note I am not train in any way in Theogley and am rather merely stating my understanding of the Bible.
If what you are saying means that there is no holy Trinity in Christianity then I can say that it matches with my knowledge of the bible. Of course there are a lot of Christians who believe different, they probably didn't read their holy book.
@@tjarkschweizer No, as I said before God is all Three. So, there is a Holy Trinity but It's more like a 3 in 1 thing. 3 Spirts(for lack of a better term), 1 God.
@@keirscott-schrueder5625 so it was hidden away on one of his other episodes, idk man I couldn’t find it on his home page but it just showed up on the video.
"When worldbuilding anything that has to do with politics or religion, you'll probably want to bring the other up." I'd go further and say you *must* bring the other up. I mean, you're free to design your world how you want of course. However in reality there's no such thing as separation between church and state, it's just the church part that changes and, in the case of political liberalism it's egoism that takes the place of the divine. Any separation is superficial. Take America for example. We claim separation of church and state but our political system clearly worships mammon, with the politicians, celebrities, and billionaires as it's "saints"
13:46 yeah but the Romans had the entire Mediterranean, spain, france, Italy. And almost all of the ottomans holdings. The ottomans really only barley edged em out in size because they had much less wealthy lands.
Evil Murlock The map he showed of the Ottoman Empire was not the largest, the Ottoman Empire at its largest, including its vassals, occupied parts of India, Indonesia, from Morocco to Baghdad, Chad to Tunisia, Yemen to Hungary. Not larger than Rome but just barely the same largeness.
Like for example, you see the differences of a world like Nirn, where gods/demon gods are PROVEN to exist, and there is no argument against them, but there is lack of worship like the dwemer.
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I never understood that 'Buddha' fella.
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He's an anomaly... and enigma....
Part Two is even better, highly recommend it
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Good job with your dogmatic biased views and uneducated beliefs. Saddest thing is you cant even disagree with opposing views in a respectable manner just totally disrespectful.
@Stoneworks Westerners when they learn that Buddha wasn't a 60s pothead hippy 😱
13:31 "The Ottomans were a Turkish group from modern Turkey" No wonder they were so good at conquering, they're time travelers from the future!
Damn turks why didnt the admin ban them early
They probably used German guns and tanks. >:-(
The ottomans were from A Turkish tribe named "Kayi".. After the fall of Seljuk Empire of Rum because of Mongols, they gained autonomy and became a Beylic(Its like a Emirate) and then overtime more Turkish tribes joined them and they started pushing into the Byzantine territories but they never really fought against the Mongols until there Ilkhanate fell..
@@johannageisel5390 as a time traveler fron future, I can confirm that they used the power of superhorse's, ray guns and power metal music.
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The man watches Historia Civilis I see
I thought I clicked on the wrong video at first when I heard the music at the beginning, but it makes sense that he would watch Historia Civilis since he's amazing.
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Yeah, ngl the music was screwing with my head for pretty much the whole video
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I heard that before Mars was romanized, he was a god of the Spring and healing. But Mars was later equated with Ares and became a war god. This earlier characterization could explain why Mars was equated with Alaunus.
No Mars was always the god of war lol
@@Bobbob-dv4hp Mars may be a descendant of the Proto-Indo European god Perkwunos, which is a thunder god and ancestor of Thor, Perun, and Perkunos. So Mars may not have always been a war god.
This focuses on religion in hierarchical societies (which do tend to have hierarchical religions) but religion also of course plays a role, in a fairly different way, in less hierarchical societies, which is often reflected by the structure of the religions.
Can you give an example of a less hierarchical religion in a less hierarchal society?
@@luboisfat There's all sorts, often the common term of 'paganism' is thrown over the lot despite many of them being completely unrelated, but the first such society I think of off the top of my head is the Sami and their traditional religion
@@Nosirrbro Interesting, I'll look them up. I was thinking of some Polynesians like the Samoans and some South American Natives from the Guaraní peoples. But yeah the Sami are unknown completely to me so I'm sure if it's related to what I imagined.
@@luboisfat virtually any pre-Christian “religion” (faith would be more accurate) that would be considered “pagan”.
Instead of "modern" and "pagan/tribal" you gain more by labeling them "organised" and "unorganised" religions. Organised religions evolved probably in the age of the first high cultures, when for the first time in history several thousand people lived together and had to settle on a set of norms. Abrahamitic religions (basically proto- judaism and a few related branches) are a good example for this. I am not saying that this development was good or bad per se.
“The wall between church and state is less of a wall and more of an old condom” -Stoneworks 2020.
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How dare you. Filthy heretic. The Mighty Big Chungus will not have mercy on you.
@@electricpants4608 Chungism is a lie created by Pasta hating Monday Lovers
@@acekizakura1531 I won't argue with heretics the Mighty Chungus will have your soul one day. MARK MY WORDS.
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@@Stoneworks Wtf
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Dude, get outta here with all these pre-enlightenment grassroots religions. The Cult of Reason is where it's at. We love reason, we love nature, we love liberty, we love philosophy, we love books.
*executes tens of thousands of non-rationals*
lmao
almost got me thinking it wasn't ironic til the last line
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Cult of Reason nah outdated, Cult of the Supreme being now that's the true revolutionary religion.
@@thelakeman2538 could this be a fellow follower of Ainz-sama?!?!
I can’t tell you how excited I got hearing you talk about the Ottoman Empire and the Chaliphat as a Muslim subscriber. We have such rich history and it gets brushed under the rug as “Oh they’ve been fighting over the same price of land for thousands of years”. Thanks for including our history :)
You guys have a great history and it sucks how often it’s either written off or sensationalized to spread xenophobia. The history of Abrahamics faiths is incomplete without Islam. In general, people tend to forget how much neighboring religions influence each other and share ideas.
@fredericksmith7942 the whole category of abrhamics is a cope
Imagine not being able to time travel
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@@johannageisel5390 I wish I didn't believe that will happen
My favorite story about political leaders being a third party mediator has to be that of Bulan Khagan of Khazaria. An Abassid qadi and an East Roman Bishop were sent to secure their respective empires' borders with the nomadic hordes through conversion, and they spent over a week in debates that went nowhere.
Eventually, Bulan Khagan was so annoyed he putright asked the priest "Islam or Judaism? Which is superior?" and the priest, not wanting to give an inch to the Muslims said that the Jews were least offensive. The Khagan then asked the qadi "Christians or Jews? Who is better?" and the qadi, not wanting to give any credence to the Romans, said the Jews had the superior faith.
So Bulan told them, and this is a direct quote "And so you have confessed woth your own mouths the superiority of the religion of the Israelites," and immediate summoned a rabbi to oversee his and his entire ordu's conversion and circumcision. Oh, and the raids continued as if nothing happened.
I feel like this could work as a Monty Python sketch or something. It just sounds like one of those situations where reality is wilder than fiction.
I’m glad you’re making Religion a several-part series here. There’s SO much history and SO much mechanics of religion to cover. Although, I hope that going forward the videos will focus less on history (even though historical examples are important) and more on how to worldbuild a religion. You know, like the components of a religion. The annual holidays, how strictly the religion is enforced, how the G/god(s) are worshipped (worship involving sex was very common outside of abrahamic religions), and if and how someone is allowed to convert if they were not born into that culture. And so many more aspects too! And how those aspects affect everyday life for the several castes or classes of the society!
And that’s not even touching the myths that are common across several widespread cultures, like the World Flood Myth, the Storm God Who Kills A Giant Snake/Dragon, or the Flying Snake That Is Seen Only By Royal Blood. Among others.
Its pretty simple actually. A religion has 3 defining interconnected core elements:
1.) Core beliefs, explained either through mythology/mysticism or actual history from the region it originated from (Conventional logic and historical accuracy often does not apply. They are often influenced by the political state of the region at the time)
2.) Organization, which is basically the hierarchies that Stoneworks mentions a lot of (A lack thereof would technically be considered a cult)
3.) Rituals, which are literally methods of worship and devotion e.g. bloodletting, daily prayer, sacrificial offerings, displays of significant religious symbols or literature
Start with deciding on core beliefs. Once you have that down pat, decide on how worshipers are organized and how they display devotion through ritual practices. Once you've done this, the religion can then be divided into different sects, where each group may have minor variations in the 3 core elements. If you want to be even more complicated, sects can then be divided into denominations, where each one will have even more variations from each other.
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The “Irish Church” isn’t a thing, historically. They were always in communion with Rome. The disagreement was between two factions within the Roman Catholic Church-the Romano-British and the Celts.
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I work hard to have the religious organizations in my fantasy novels to be carried despite the gods being a known thing. Just because they all know the gods are real doesn’t mean they all know what the gods actually care about.
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I love it when people acknowledge that catholicism provided bureaucratic services for quite a while. I mean clerks had to follow the canon law of the church instead of secular rule for ages
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Some things to bring up in a possible future installment, is the effects of secularisation of a nation, or even state atheism. Another thing is that as it's fiction, writers have the ability to make their religion actually real, meaning that will impact a lot of how it functions & spreads.
No discussion on Charlemagne's religious conversions of the Germanic tribes 😤
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I never realized that Gods can be explusive to one place and only influence it, kinda dumb of me. This was a good and informative video. Oh yeah and I also realize while watching two relgions in my setting compliment each other pretty well. One think before earth, there were the sun and a bunch of dragons, while the other has a story how the sun was made.
Oh boy, this should be a good reference for the theocratic nation my players are traveling though in my Starfinder game 😀
Should we forget when that quote unquote 'meek dying on the cross type of god' told his followers to sell their cloak and to buy a sword?
Or when he cleansed the Temple of Merchants and Money Changers?
I had fun with this in my D&D world, where gods can literally choose kings. Screw primogeniture, the member of the royal family that develops divine magic gets to be the next monarch, head of church and state. Though since The Sundering, the church will indeed be fracturing.
We went to war because the British parliament was breaking their own constitution bc we didn't have representation in their government. Tea helped, but it wasn't the #real reason for the war of indie
Also private business interests were a huge reason for the push to go independant from the brits.
Oh and ppl wanted to farm the land west of the Appalachians but the British had given that land to the Iroquois Confederacy, because they had fought on the British Side in the Seven Years War.
At the time of the Anglo Saxon conversion the church hadn’t been split and most of Christianity fell under the Chalcedonian church I clueing the franks
I am subscribed to you, but I don't remember watching any other of your videos. But I will. This was funny and interesting. It made me think about what role religion plays in people's lives and in history socially. Something I'm sure people will arrive at slightly different answers to when imagining their worlds...
omg Stoneworks is SO CUTE!!!!!!
Well, yeah, that's all very interesting and such, but what if your God builds themself a body and appears in the mortal world to take over political power themself?
I traced my family back all the way to Adam.
It took a very very very long time
So, whom did Cain have children with?
@@johannageisel5390 Lilith, the first ever - and great ancestor to - all goth gfs we see today.
So we are all a product of incest?
@PhyreI3ird all goths are ugly yenta? News to me
I'm not taking a side but Ulfric Stormcloak is obviously right.
that's taking a side
British history podcast is great I've been listning to it for a few months now to help build up a civ I'm modeling after the Anglo-Saxons
“It’s free and you can always unsubscribe.” Hey, is that a Dream references?
I only ever heard Dream and other Minecraft youtubers say that.
in fact it is
2:45 Hvidekrist would beg to differ. There is some evidence of the Norsemen syncretising Jesus with an emphesis on the whole conquering death bit, because that sounded like a pretty nice skill, and then they kinda left the dying for human sin part alone
Atheists be like "Oh my Science!"
@ptfodity great pfp I've seen you elsewhere
OH MY EINSTEIN!
For the record, I'm a staunch pan-germanicist. That is the belief that ancient Germanic cultures while not hemogenous were more similar than different and very connected with one another. Basically when you say "Gods that were similar to the Norse ones" that's not entirely true. By all accounts, this was mostly a linguistic difference. They were the exact same Gods but called by a *slightly* different name. It's like saying Jesus and Yeshua are two different figures. They're not, one is simply Greek while the other is Hebrew. Wodan is Old English while Othinn is Old Norse. But all of the mythology which makes up everything we know about the Gods comes from the nordic Poetic Edda - which is the only authentic non-Christian source we have on Germanic Polytheism.
Source: I'm a Sedian Asatruar (Orthodox Germanic Polytheist) and I've spent a few year shy of half of my life studying this stuff.
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Autism
I'd love to see how this information can be applied to world building, as in I'd love to see videos that go over a more step by step process, building religions, where they stem from, etc. This felt like a history video, rather than a world building one. Very interesting, but yeah just some feed back for you! I've recently gotten into your channel, and am really enjoying the content.
why is protestantism so diverse?
lack of organized hierarchy and promotion of self-interpretation I suppose
You lied to us, this is a world history video, not info on creating realistic fictional history for a world.
The Romans conquered the Greeks but the Greeks conquered the Romans.
"or by bird watching"
Hey the polynesians used that to find new lands to settle.
That being said, reading animal entrails... Yeah that's not gonna be super useful.
These vids are better. Than some of the theology channels I've watched
What theology channels are you watching?
Doubt
@brooke9192 fr
this is the video that caused me to sub
Nice, greenscreen.... many memes will be born from this.
Seen this video once before, now realized the location says GULAG
i really enjoyed this video , nice content !
I saw the thumbnail and I knew I had to watch
i actually really like the fact that you go back and watch your favorite videos you've made for your own worldbuilding
I see world building videos here and I'd like to suggest the world of one piece. One of the greatest world building ever.
Dropping the פ sent me REELING!
May the great god of Sakrelith bless you Stoney
18:07 Wait, isn't there the patriarch of the Russian-Orthodox Church missing?
“The Crusades, the Balkans, the *SKYRIM CIVIL WAR*, the Aztecs…”
I love that’s casually slipped into the middle of those, but is all by itself. Good times. Good times.
When did he mention Skyrim? I was expecting it but it never came.
Lol, imagine learning from crisis.
The thumbnail is literally like my pfp
Another great one
Geezer here....
Good history lesson, all well worth considering when world building.
For myself, using a magic works rpg world. My world has a much more philosophy domination. To be blunt....
Ok so your "god" can manifest. Like in many published settings. Makes endless conflict opportunity. However. Magic works.
So selling a religion is a hard battle. Oh sure, lip service will come easy. But belief, political power upsets..... Not so much.
The established order uses magic, eliminating most plague and famine. Not utopia, not the dark ages.
So when the old man wanders in telling tales of "god" giving out demands or whispering sweet nothings in his ears....
That many will expect to be a villain, fool or worse. Any number of creatures (or characters) could play "god"...
It is a hard sell.
Game on.
1) But -who watch the watchmen- in what mages believe? (being all-round-mega-logical-full -of-reason is against human psychology)
2) Unwashed masses don't give a damn to logical explanations why one can burn an entire village with a wave of the hand and other can put it our by looking at the fire funny. They are dangerous supernatural beings for them (even if magic is common common folk would look on them suspiciously) So I believe this situation will cause "religion creep" when even the most rational idea become a religion akin to Wh40k setting.
@@090giver090 The established order uses magic... Preventing famine, plague and other problems to good effect. The masses are alert... But hardly keen to dump the working order for a new upstart.
Psychology of the masses in real world shows... Keep em happy and fed or at least thinking you are and the pitch forks stay in the hay.... Or perhaps in any would be upstarts.
@@nonya9120 " Keep em happy and fed or at least thinking you are and the pitch forks stay in the hay.... " Yes that's why I believe that masses will, in some time, view mages as gods (although benevolent). Humans tent to mistify what they do not grasp. And yes, mages should be the ruling class by that means.
Is it just me, or is the first bit of this oddly like Historia Civilis....
I respect your banana mic, Stoneworks. Here's a question: How would you approach a world without organized religion and gods? How would the political dynamic work if there are no immortal beings you can use to justify your rule? I envision a D&D world where clerical magic derives from personal beliefs and philosophical ideologies. Would a king or queen's rule be less stable if they had to rely on some complex philosophical theory instead of a divine decree?
hmmm.... I imagine if they backed their rule up with philosophical theories they'd try to control the people's theories and education strictly. I imagine immigration from other places that challenge this would be a threat, so perhaps the states would be very insular
@@Stoneworks So, similar to 16th-century Japan, which banned all foreigners to resist Christianization? Or more like a dystopian dictatorship with state-controlled media, revisionist history, and propaganda channels? The Fire Nation schools from ATLA come to mind.
@@VinceValentine That's if you're deciding that they use complex philosophical methods to determine rulership. I'd guess it'd be closest to dictatorship if that happens, but I doubt every nation's leader would be successfully backed up by complex philosophical methods- especially since those don't translate well to the peasant-worker masses.
Maybe at first the states would see a lot of instability, like how Roman emperors were routinely killed just bc they could easily place another one on the throne. Perhaps they'd harken back to ancient tradition, or style themselves as the protector of their cultures (like fascist dictators... but super over the top with the links to their society's culture? like if Hitler wore lederhosen to rallies and Mussolini wore a toga)
The big problem would be justifying why those on top deserve to rule over everyone else. Maybe some would even become more democratic because the leaders fail to establish legitimacy.
@@Stoneworks I wasn't thinking of philosophies that are too difficult for the average peasant to understand, but some sort of ideology that a culture is based on, without referring to immortal, supernatural beings. Would that work as the basis of a government?
@@VinceValentine If you decide make a solid example of something that rulers could use to distinguish themselves from the rest of the people in society, it absolutely would.
I loved the green screen bit ngl
If you're looking at pagan european pantheons, its also worth noting that most pre-christian European belief systems resembled each other largely because they were either direct or indirect descendants of the shared indo-european Gods that came with the indo-european-izing of Europe (a group of 7 to 9 gods with one male head who is usually related to the sun)
Another, possibly more fun paralell point of interest are the whacky exceptions to this, either because a local culture took hard turn at some point in history and deviated from the Indo-European host of gods (WOO lets worship some swamp or some shit it'll be cool trust me dude *trust me*); or because those groups weren't descended from indo-europeans at all - A great example being the Uraic-Permian pantheon (to wildly oversimplify, an earth mother and her collection of lesser female deities/spirits, not a whole lot known as the Proto-russians kinda Boofed them out of existance before anyone in the area kept records) and the beliefs of the old Prussians (the ones the Teutonic knights Mr. Clean'd out of existance) which according to Bede believed in a creator god who abandonned his creation and the remaining gods were the successors (which IMO is kind of an awesome premise for a world in eternal, creeping decline towards non-magicalness)
Anywho peace! love the growing worldbuilding series
Reading an animal's entrails...
Or bird watching.
This video is about world building or history? Because I don't see here any underlined ideas of creating your own world.
This is Genius. subscribed.
your glottal stop is scaring me kinda
"Kudos for not having your attention span destroyed by Tik-" *gets an ad*
.......I didn't expect him to be so attractive...... wow.
Idk if this is minecraft anymore lol
6:30 UK: T is for Taxes, we need it from you.
US: T is for Tyrant or Treason!
I normally really enjoy your videos (to the point you’re one of three channels I’ve turned on notifications for), but I’m struggling to find the added value in this video. The history lesson is nice, but I’ve studied history extensively myself. Tell me what makes that history useful to me as a worldbuilder or how you’ve used it yourself in your own worldbuilding. Your unique analysis and thought process is what you bring to the table and what I watch your videos for.
Also, you focused heavily on history that, frankly, every American schoolchild grows up learning. If you’re going to focus on facts, at least do research that I would struggle to do myself. For example, giving an overview of how Taoist and Buddhist thought and teaching affected politics in ancient China, something most of your viewers will know far less about. Or even just focusing on the politics of conversion in Germany or France, somewhere besides the UK, because much less information on that is available to me in English with a quick Google search.
Also, given that most fantasy settings/worlds are polytheistic, an overview of the political power structure of a continent-spanning single cult that has consolidated all religious authority under one roof and doesn’t acknowledge the existence of any rival gods (i.e., the Roman and medieval Christian Church) is actually not that applicable. So the focus on it seems strange.
The far east religions are not interesting. They're just philosophies, and more weird than some ancient Greek ones.
Because that's all modern western education moans about
@@longiusaescius2537 First, it's ridiculous that the OP thinks that kids are "taught" that at school so such videos are unnecessary, because not everyone is interested in history when they're kids and studies history extensively like OP.
Second, we are a part of the modern western civilization. Not of Chinese/Asian civilization. So it's obvious we find our own civilization more interesting.
"extensive study" Buddha was a 60s hippy, crusades le bad, etc etc@@dasik84
Hi, Christian here! God is acttlly all Three! The Father, Son, & Holy Sprit(curse my dyslexia). Well, acording to most Christian idedolges & my own personal beliefs & understanding of the Bible.
P.s. Please Note I am not train in any way in Theogley and am rather merely stating my understanding of the Bible.
If what you are saying means that there is no holy Trinity in Christianity then I can say that it matches with my knowledge of the bible. Of course there are a lot of Christians who believe different, they probably didn't read their holy book.
@@tjarkschweizer No, as I said before God is all Three. So, there is a Holy Trinity but It's more like a 3 in 1 thing. 3 Spirts(for lack of a better term), 1 God.
@@lpsjewel okay then
Geez do you have a crystal ball based on the start of your video.lol
Why does this only have 5 views
how is your comment from 4 weeks ago when this came out today?
@@keirscott-schrueder5625 so it was hidden away on one of his other episodes, idk man I couldn’t find it on his home page but it just showed up on the video.
11:56 you misspronunced Chaddest
'Going to war over tea' ... what is self-governance and why is it important? Hm...
Shoresy reference based
"When worldbuilding anything that has to do with politics or religion, you'll probably want to bring the other up."
I'd go further and say you *must* bring the other up. I mean, you're free to design your world how you want of course. However in reality there's no such thing as separation between church and state, it's just the church part that changes and, in the case of political liberalism it's egoism that takes the place of the divine. Any separation is superficial. Take America for example. We claim separation of church and state but our political system clearly worships mammon, with the politicians, celebrities, and billionaires as it's "saints"
Yep
Great pfp btw
key word: power.
13:46 yeah but the Romans had the entire Mediterranean, spain, france, Italy. And almost all of the ottomans holdings. The ottomans really only barley edged em out in size because they had much less wealthy lands.
Yay new video
13:45 how are the otomans biger roma has all of their teritories + more? I am confusian richt now
Evil Murlock
The map he showed of the Ottoman Empire was not the largest, the Ottoman Empire at its largest, including its vassals, occupied parts of India, Indonesia, from Morocco to Baghdad, Chad to Tunisia, Yemen to Hungary. Not larger than Rome but just barely the same largeness.
@@mobeenkhan824 indonesia? Ye that would make sence
praise to the Dead bush it shall enlighten us all
Peasants throughout history:
*Minding their own business*
**RELIGIOUS MISSIONARIES FORCING THEM TO WORSHIP GOD**
Peasants: "Fuck this, I worship whoever I want"
Missionary: "So be it, I'll give my sermons to fish at the beach instead"
True story
Interesting video about religion and politics, but where is the World Building part, as in the title?
I like how the video's land mark is GULAG
Like for example, you see the differences of a world like Nirn, where gods/demon gods are PROVEN to exist, and there is no argument against them, but there is lack of worship like the dwemer.
"That was a lot of men. I had a dream about that recently." Ooh, do tell~? ;D
Thank. You.
I hope you mention the jihads in the religious war video. The crusades weren't the only religious wars you know.
yea
@@Stoneworks * shouts from Magdeburg * Don't forget the 30 years war!
I thought 'Divine right to rule' involved blood type.
You better watch some RealCrusadesHistory before you do the holy wars one
Love that channel!
Is it good?
“Congratulations for sticking around this long and not having ur attention span ruined by” (ad) (laughs ass off) tiktok
Because a pretty large creature ie a dragon could prevent wide spread trade through the mountains or something like that