Bosh N Roll, I cannot thank you enough for making videos at the rate you do. My toddler refuses to nap, but she falls asleep to your videos. You are a lifesaver for my fiance and I. On top of getting my kid to fall asleep I get the best content on UA-cam!
@@BoshNRollya know what? When I have kids I’m gonna teach 'em young how to play magic. Cant buy drugs as a teen if you spend all your money on cool cards. At least that worked for me…
i remember when i was a kid ripping open stronghold packs and pulling nomads en-kor. it went straight into a terrible white weenie deck that i loved, alongside those soltari creatures from tempest. when exodus came out and i pulled a paladin en-vec, i thought i had died and gone to white weenie heaven. love seeing the dopey draft common terrorizing a hyper-powerful format. 25-years-ago me is somewhat vindicated.
Heck yeah, my favourite deck! I play exactly this list, plus a second Therapy as card 61. The combo always gives you access to both therapies anyway and you can cast both with any extra creature + Illusionist. It doubles the odds of milling therapy + narcomoeba before Dread Return or Thoracle hit the yard, which is a way higher upside than the 0.98% cost of playing a 61st card. It also allows you to beat hands with two hate pieces or when you have to Therapy yourself.
28:20 - Was Flusterstorm really the best card to bottom? I feel like your justification for keeping Narcomoeba was it being a blue card to pitch to Force. But, Flusterstorm is also blue, but has the option of being relevant otherwise. Not a Legacy expert, let alone Cephalid Breakfast, just curious. Am I missing something?
Yeah I can see it either way there. It's basically weighing "I'll need this Force and want higher density of good draws in my deck" vs. "what if I don't need the Force right away and can get full value out of multiple flusters." You might be right that the other way is better.
In round 3 game 1 where the Cabal therapy was exiled it could be good to play out the thassas oracle for the scry effect and as a blocker to get it into the graveyard.
After messing around with various builds of Breakfast since bowmasters came out I feel pretty good about this being the optimal build for the deck. I am curious if you've tested this deck with Triumph of Saint Katherine instead of the Stoneforge package.
Wouldn't Surgical against Rhinos be good? Like one resolved Footfalls seems doable to work around and then removing all of them leaves the opponent with what? (I'm not *that* familiar with the lists, so I do wonder)
It’s as if this video’s timing was timed when I was basically about to throw Breakfast in the trash. I have been getting stomped by the recent meta. I was on Bowmasters myself mind you but not SFM. It looks like turbo breakfast (more chants, silence and Pact of Negation) or SFM are doing pretty decent, may throw it back together for FNM.
Have you considered Lavinia in the board? Good against Fable decks, FOW decks, storm. I understand that it does to a lot of the same creature removal that disrupts the combo, however it could tax that removal even further.
I have Lavinia in the board of a deck I’ve already recorded for next week. Haven’t tried her in Breakfast yet, but her stock is way up with all the Bean decks trying to abuse mana value
Can someone explain to me the decision to keep Narcomoeba over Flusterstorm Match 2, Game 3? I get that Narcomoeba is the most free card to pitch to Force, but isn't it better to keep a blue card that also pitches to Force and if you don't need to Force is still a good card?
R3G3, is there any credence to fighting over the Wilt to keep your Urza's Saga about? It costs the protection for Orim's Chant but gets you where you want to go. I'm not very smart so am probably missing something simple.
If you're worried about the Rhinos matchup, having a copy of Chalice in the sideboard would give you a silver bullet that's totally fetchable with Saga. Edit: Completely forgot that Chalice isn't fetchable with Saga. 😅
Have you ever, when playing this deck, witnessed your opponent playing Steely Resolve, targeting the cephalid wizard so it can't be targeted and shutting down the combo?
It's theoretically a thing you could do, but it's not a very good hate card when just Lightning Bolt is 1000 times more versatile and also stops the combo. Like, devoting sideboard slots to Steely Resolve is not really a good plan when it can't fight the Saga/Stoneforge plan at all and it's useless against any other deck. Even Leyline of the Void is at least also good against Oops! All Spells! and Beseech the Mirror-Gaea's Will Storm decks.
Personally, I'd say Breakfast. Doomsday is the more committed combo deck - it wins on turn 2 more often and it can beat a lot of hate just through careful play, plus the combo is harder to disrupt. But Cephalid Breakfast can attack on a lot more angles, has real answers to resolved permanents, and gets to play all the same good blue cards and is capable of winning just as fast, if less likely. The best Doomsday pilots (note - Doomsday has an extremely high skill ceiling) might win a bit more consistently than the top Breakfast pilots, but in the hands of the average pilot I think Breakfast is better.
Beseech casts the tutored spell as part of Beseech resolving, and you can’t cast sorceries while spells are resolving. You can still tutor, but you don’t get the free cast.
Random musings: Breakfast without a Lotus Petal is probably suboptimal. Stoneforge > Staff 2 Underground Sea (and the previously mentioned Lotus Petal) feels right as a way to hardcast Dread Return. I like a singleton Shaman en-Kor in Breakfast to mitigate Chalice on 1.
@@rineu8336It also attracts Wasteland, compounded by the fact that you run basics. It’s often the only target for Wasteland. Chalice on 1 and Pithing Needle shut the deck down together. I prefer to have options.
@@coryhurrle4952I feel like Stoneforge Mystic for Kaldra Compleat already does a substantial job getting you through games where Saga and the combo aren't options. If your opponent got Pithing Needle, Chalice on 1, stopped you from making constructs, and still has the interaction left over to stop your Stoneforge Mystic + Kaldra plan, sometimes you just have to say "I was never going to beat this and I'm not going to play worse cards overall to maybe win through this extremely unlikely scenario." The deck already has Prismatic Ending and Serenity out of the board, so the situation you've set up only matters game 1. Shaman + Illusionist is an option to still win in that scenario, but the downside is how many games will you be in situations where whatever card Shaman replaced would be better? How many games where you can't combo off when the window is open because you drew Shaman instead of Nomads or Shuko and you only have three mana? Also, the odds of a one-outer saving you in a situation where all your card selection spells are locked under Chalice seem very slim. Edit: Forgot Prismatic Ending was in the sideboard at first. Teferi can be a maindeck answer, though, he can bounce a critical artifact and either buy you an opening or set it up to be countered on the way back down.
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Bosh N Roll, I cannot thank you enough for making videos at the rate you do. My toddler refuses to nap, but she falls asleep to your videos. You are a lifesaver for my fiance and I. On top of getting my kid to fall asleep I get the best content on UA-cam!
Get 'em started young!
@@BoshNRollya know what? When I have kids I’m gonna teach 'em young how to play magic. Cant buy drugs as a teen if you spend all your money on cool cards. At least that worked for me…
She's a fan of Island Ponder Sleep
I am not a toddler but often happens to me haha, finishing the league in my dreams!
Bosh N Roll, part of a balanced breakfast.
i remember when i was a kid ripping open stronghold packs and pulling nomads en-kor. it went straight into a terrible white weenie deck that i loved, alongside those soltari creatures from tempest. when exodus came out and i pulled a paladin en-vec, i thought i had died and gone to white weenie heaven.
love seeing the dopey draft common terrorizing a hyper-powerful format. 25-years-ago me is somewhat vindicated.
Did you post this deck today just to answer my question yesterday on Stoneforge vs Staff?
I had the same question :)
Round 2 was an absolute joy to watch. Thanks for all you do!
bro lost to this deck yesterday and now he’s running it, i feel that so hard brian
Hell yeah right when I’m starting to prep for eternal weekend
Heck yeah, my favourite deck! I play exactly this list, plus a second Therapy as card 61.
The combo always gives you access to both therapies anyway and you can cast both with any extra creature + Illusionist. It doubles the odds of milling therapy + narcomoeba before Dread Return or Thoracle hit the yard, which is a way higher upside than the 0.98% cost of playing a 61st card.
It also allows you to beat hands with two hate pieces or when you have to Therapy yourself.
Cool tech!
Thanks for playing this. I really enjoy your content, but I especially enjoy your Cephalid Breakfast videos.
Its kinda endearing how apologetic you are for the deck considering how much you believe in it and love it
*Copium memes*
28:20 - Was Flusterstorm really the best card to bottom? I feel like your justification for keeping Narcomoeba was it being a blue card to pitch to Force. But, Flusterstorm is also blue, but has the option of being relevant otherwise. Not a Legacy expert, let alone Cephalid Breakfast, just curious. Am I missing something?
Yeah I can see it either way there. It's basically weighing "I'll need this Force and want higher density of good draws in my deck" vs. "what if I don't need the Force right away and can get full value out of multiple flusters." You might be right that the other way is better.
Hell yeah, this is the only breakfast I ever wanna see in the morning
you don't want to see a breakfast of pancakes? waffles? eggs? or a full scottish/english?
Nah, breakfast is mad overrated
In round 3 game 1 where the Cabal therapy was exiled it could be good to play out the thassas oracle for the scry effect and as a blocker to get it into the graveyard.
Oh sick, I get some breakfast before this colonscopy 😀
After messing around with various builds of Breakfast since bowmasters came out I feel pretty good about this being the optimal build for the deck. I am curious if you've tested this deck with Triumph of Saint Katherine instead of the Stoneforge package.
I sure am glad Orcish Bowmasters is only in half of legacy decks, if it were in every deck that would be slightly annoying.
Wouldn't Surgical against Rhinos be good? Like one resolved Footfalls seems doable to work around and then removing all of them leaves the opponent with what?
(I'm not *that* familiar with the lists, so I do wonder)
It’s as if this video’s timing was timed when I was basically about to throw Breakfast in the trash. I have been getting stomped by the recent meta. I was on Bowmasters myself mind you but not SFM. It looks like turbo breakfast (more chants, silence and Pact of Negation) or SFM are doing pretty decent, may throw it back together for FNM.
Anyone else hear the growl of the rhinos at 11:40?
Oh also, vs non-white decks you can freely cast Thoracle because you can sac it to Therapy before Dread Return anyway.
Have you considered Lavinia in the board? Good against Fable decks, FOW decks, storm. I understand that it does to a lot of the same creature removal that disrupts the combo, however it could tax that removal even further.
I have Lavinia in the board of a deck I’ve already recorded for next week. Haven’t tried her in Breakfast yet, but her stock is way up with all the Bean decks trying to abuse mana value
Can someone explain to me the decision to keep Narcomoeba over Flusterstorm Match 2, Game 3? I get that Narcomoeba is the most free card to pitch to Force, but isn't it better to keep a blue card that also pitches to Force and if you don't need to Force is still a good card?
R3G3, is there any credence to fighting over the Wilt to keep your Urza's Saga about? It costs the protection for Orim's Chant but gets you where you want to go.
I'm not very smart so am probably missing something simple.
Orim's Chant doesn't stop spells that are already on the stack?
@@BoshNRoll Can you force wilt, pitching ponder, and then cast OC on your turn to protect illusionist. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
Part of a well equipped breakfast.
Worth mentioning this deck only plays 5 duals so it is not too pricey for EW. Nice commentary as always.
Maybe most fun top deck in legacy for me.
54:50 “what do you put on the bottom where you keep a crashing footfalls on a mull to 5?” Two other crashing footfalls of course!
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If you're worried about the Rhinos matchup, having a copy of Chalice in the sideboard would give you a silver bullet that's totally fetchable with Saga.
Edit: Completely forgot that Chalice isn't fetchable with Saga. 😅
That's at least as good as tutoring up Arcum's Astrolabe.
Have you ever, when playing this deck, witnessed your opponent playing Steely Resolve, targeting the cephalid wizard so it can't be targeted and shutting down the combo?
Doesnt sound like a good plan
I’ve never gotten hit with that, but I’ve seen the tech
It's theoretically a thing you could do, but it's not a very good hate card when just Lightning Bolt is 1000 times more versatile and also stops the combo. Like, devoting sideboard slots to Steely Resolve is not really a good plan when it can't fight the Saga/Stoneforge plan at all and it's useless against any other deck. Even Leyline of the Void is at least also good against Oops! All Spells! and Beseech the Mirror-Gaea's Will Storm decks.
In your opinion, is this or Doomsday the better combo deck in Legacy?
They accomplish very different things. Doomsday is pretty horrible without its combo, however cephalid can operate half well even without its combo
Personally, I'd say Breakfast. Doomsday is the more committed combo deck - it wins on turn 2 more often and it can beat a lot of hate just through careful play, plus the combo is harder to disrupt. But Cephalid Breakfast can attack on a lot more angles, has real answers to resolved permanents, and gets to play all the same good blue cards and is capable of winning just as fast, if less likely. The best Doomsday pilots (note - Doomsday has an extremely high skill ceiling) might win a bit more consistently than the top Breakfast pilots, but in the hands of the average pilot I think Breakfast is better.
Lol at that last match
47:13 The Wilt should probably just been forced to go for the win next turn with Chant backup?
Yeah I was tunnel visioned on double protecting my combo and the brain didn’t register countering wilt. Idk
Yorion breakfast ❤
Was legacy rhino always good or is it a response to the metagame?
It was a goofball Modern port idea for a little while but the list has been honed and the metagame is right for a blue deck that doesn't draw cards.
@BoshNRoll I see, thanks for the insight!
love the videos
Thanks!
Nice vid
Why does Teferi dumpster Beseech?
Beseech casts the tutored spell as part of Beseech resolving, and you can’t cast sorceries while spells are resolving. You can still tutor, but you don’t get the free cast.
47:10 why no force on the wilt and win next turn?
Obligatory algorithmic contribution
53:42 "Comboooooo"
Please I need to know what last opponent was on
One of life's unanswerable questions
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Hope you play hot bant at eternal weekend
Random musings:
Breakfast without a Lotus Petal is probably suboptimal.
Stoneforge > Staff
2 Underground Sea (and the previously mentioned Lotus Petal) feels right as a way to hardcast Dread Return.
I like a singleton Shaman en-Kor in Breakfast to mitigate Chalice on 1.
Urza's saga allows you to get a combo piece into play through chalice already.
@@rineu8336It also attracts Wasteland, compounded by the fact that you run basics. It’s often the only target for Wasteland.
Chalice on 1 and Pithing Needle shut the deck down together. I prefer to have options.
@@coryhurrle4952I feel like Stoneforge Mystic for Kaldra Compleat already does a substantial job getting you through games where Saga and the combo aren't options. If your opponent got Pithing Needle, Chalice on 1, stopped you from making constructs, and still has the interaction left over to stop your Stoneforge Mystic + Kaldra plan, sometimes you just have to say "I was never going to beat this and I'm not going to play worse cards overall to maybe win through this extremely unlikely scenario."
The deck already has Prismatic Ending and Serenity out of the board, so the situation you've set up only matters game 1. Shaman + Illusionist is an option to still win in that scenario, but the downside is how many games will you be in situations where whatever card Shaman replaced would be better? How many games where you can't combo off when the window is open because you drew Shaman instead of Nomads or Shuko and you only have three mana?
Also, the odds of a one-outer saving you in a situation where all your card selection spells are locked under Chalice seem very slim.
Edit: Forgot Prismatic Ending was in the sideboard at first. Teferi can be a maindeck answer, though, he can bounce a critical artifact and either buy you an opening or set it up to be countered on the way back down.
Cepahlid ! Oops :)
take a shot every time you hear "if I topdeck illusionist" (note: please do not do this for your own health)
Drink some water every time it actually happens.
(Purchase life insurance first)
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This deck feels like it wants 2x Sauron's Ransom and a Mystic Sanctuary so bad for that extreme grind value
Nonsense comment. Pointing out a play mistake (that doesn't work). Non-sequitor.
Agreement. Recommendation of a card (that's not legal in the format).
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