BOND, FASTBOND! Vintage Fastbond Tameshi Lands Combo Prison. Infinite Mana, Turns, Mill, Draw MTG

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  • @MH-dn3jz
    @MH-dn3jz Рік тому +80

    This deck melted my brain and I wasn't even the one playing it

  • @ericcharters9382
    @ericcharters9382 Рік тому +20

    The Zorb definitely ought to be maindeck here. Tutorable with saga second way for infinite fastbond, also gains infinite life, fewer clicks than recurring strip/waste to combo with Bazaar... definitely better than Citadel.

  • @mitchsirois606
    @mitchsirois606 Рік тому +46

    I really like Perennial Behemoth for a list like this, having a Crucible of Worlds with unearth only costing 2 mana instead of 3 is huge.

    • @BoshNRoll
      @BoshNRoll  Рік тому +21

      Never seen that card. It’s a cool one!

    • @Djewell314
      @Djewell314 Рік тому +5

      I feel like 3 colorless is significantly easier to cast than GG

    • @mitchsirois606
      @mitchsirois606 Рік тому +24

      @@Djewell314 but it can be played from your graveyard, which doesn't get taxed by spheres, can't be countered by traditional means, and means you can play more Bazaars and riftstone portals

    • @joshbaker8767
      @joshbaker8767 Рік тому +5

      This is a really clever suggestion!

    • @oelboy
      @oelboy Рік тому +1

      I'm still shocked how undervalued that card is rn. I've been loving it in my Gitrog Monster edh deck so far!
      Edit: tbf the set is pretty powerful so other cards push its value down.

  • @abe10alpha
    @abe10alpha Рік тому +27

    I love fastbond. I don’t care if this list goes 0-5. I’m here for it

  • @thesirmaximus6121
    @thesirmaximus6121 Рік тому +17

    I’m surprised no Zuran Orb(s) to help with the infinite mana and work around Fastbond. I don’t know if it’s tutorable with Saga, but might have helped. Love the content keep it up ❤️

    • @ericdravenashecorven
      @ericdravenashecorven Рік тому +9

      There's one in the side, but it does seem like something that should be mained for sure, it literally closes the Strip Mine loop with Bazaar and makes Fastbond instantly into infinite mana. And yes, Zuran Orb is tutorable with Saga.

    • @WonderczechPlays
      @WonderczechPlays Рік тому +1

      I was just about to make the same comment but then I found your. Zuran Orb is imho must have.

    • @jbf81tb
      @jbf81tb Рік тому

      I was about to suggest something nutty like Nomad Stadium as a somewhat-functional second Glacial Chasm, but holy cow Zuran Orb is such a better answer.

  • @zadocr675
    @zadocr675 Рік тому +4

    This is such a cracked deck. Every time Bosh plays one I imagine him as that Pepe Silvia meme during the deck tech

  • @nooneatall5612
    @nooneatall5612 Рік тому +4

    47:30 you can make a lot of mana, tinker for exploration map, mat for chasm, and then start looping bazaar to mill your deck

  • @joaoalvaronunes5146
    @joaoalvaronunes5146 Рік тому +12

    Why no Zuran orb in this deck? It's tutorable with urza's saga and it goes infinite with fastbond+crucible: infinite life, infinite mana and infinite loot with bazar. Seems like a perfect fit.

    • @Syaska
      @Syaska Рік тому +13

      It's in the sideboard.

  • @shawnluehrs2426
    @shawnluehrs2426 Рік тому +12

    In round 3 you were doing the Tameshi combo and drew a tinker. I don’t know exact math, but I think you can tinker black lotus into expedition map, search for chasm and win with Fastbond combo. You win anyway by chumping Tameshi, but you may have had it a turn earlier.

    • @bryanwebster7027
      @bryanwebster7027 Рік тому +3

      glad someone else noticed this. tricky bc the trigger for taking the damage goes on the stack at 1, but the win was there.

  • @nooneatall5612
    @nooneatall5612 Рік тому +14

    Radiant fountain is really interesting, its infinite colorless mana if you combine i with strip mine or wasteland

  • @AnMagicCard
    @AnMagicCard Рік тому +7

    i'd love to see this deck return after having some revision.

  • @nebDDa
    @nebDDa Рік тому +2

    Love a good “the deck tech is required viewing” type of deck

  • @ConSocial94
    @ConSocial94 Рік тому +2

    Love it when we get to see that vintage content. Never clicked so fast on a video

  • @realperson69
    @realperson69 Рік тому +1

    21:48 Correct play is probably Tropical Island from graveyard into pitchcast Force of Vigor on Sol Ring and Mana Crypt, then Strip Mine their Urza’s Saga on your next turn. This locks them under their own Sphere and denies the mana they need to activate Saga unless they draw Ancient Tomb or something.
    Sure, this leaves you with “no plan to win,” but Fastbond alone isn’t enough and you’re gonna bleed out to Patchwork Automaton, especially if you let them cast more spells with their mana while waiting to overcome Sphere + Ward 2.

  • @Zii_Vii
    @Zii_Vii Рік тому +2

    The mana crypt flip death in match 2 game 1 was justice. Cold unapologetic justice 😂

  • @jojosouma809
    @jojosouma809 Рік тому +4

    Love the Vintage content on the channel, also kinda unfortunate that Mono White Initiative didn't show up in this league, it's one of my favorite decks in the format and I'm always eager to learn more about unique matchups.

  • @CoilingSliver
    @CoilingSliver Рік тому +4

    I think this might be the wildest vintage deck I've ever seen😮

  • @odoacredacalcutta5085
    @odoacredacalcutta5085 Рік тому +2

    it's kinda refreshing to see even top players playing decks that don't make particular sense, sometime. I mean if it's a combo deck with bazar/chasm/rivulet/strip mine/crucible (quite a convoluted combo for vintage, btw)... I don't know what time vault or the whole blue package is doing there. overall this looks like a pile of the most classic vintage stuff plus 3 copies of fastbond just because someone wanted to try the 3x now that it's legal.
    I would guess the classic stax build + fastbond, 4 shops 3 wasteland 1 strip mine maybe 2 boseju and the rivulet combo would make more sense (if you really want to play this combo).

  • @Hadradavus
    @Hadradavus Рік тому +22

    Always love me some vintage gaming

  • @MaZe741
    @MaZe741 Рік тому +4

    I like the deck too, I also feel like Citadel and even Divining top needs to be cut. It's just one more 2 card combo, and it doesnt work with the Glacial Chasm theme (because you're paying life, not taking damage).
    You should also consider Copy Artifact with Artifact Lands, this gives you infinite mana with Tameshi. I'm also surprised this deck doesnt play Lotus Petal, it works really with with Tameshi and Fastbond. Maybe even Lion's Eye Diamond. I would also cut Rivelet, you do not need a mill win combo when you have infinite turns and (unblockable) Saga Tokens. More Glacial Chasms could also straight up be useful.
    Also not a big fan of the one off Workshop and Trinisphere, and tabenacle in the mainboard. This seems too much like sideboard stuff to me

  • @INTROVERTING
    @INTROVERTING Рік тому +1

    Truly a deck of magic cards.
    Huge fan of this

  • @cameronjose6185
    @cameronjose6185 Рік тому +2

    Bro I’m rolling. That game one was freakin crazy

  • @arifuller
    @arifuller Рік тому +2

    I got the popcorn out for this one

  • @dowranj88107
    @dowranj88107 Рік тому +1

    Please show us more vintage!! It’s incredible to watch all these crazy spells being thrown.

  • @Karl_Smink
    @Karl_Smink Рік тому +1

    Made some modifications to this list based on these games.
    I cut the Tinker package, Teferi, Top, Chalice, and Gush.
    Changed the off-color moxes (and Diamond) to Elvish Spirit Guides as additional fast green sources not shut down by artifact hate.
    Added a Karn to be a MB one-sided Ouphe, and give us access to another Zuran Orb, Crucible, and Trinisphere (which I moved to the side) in G1.
    Added a Zuran Orb to MB (still one in the side).
    Added a Living Wish to give us access to Courser, Ouphe, another Glacial Chasm, and Karakas in G1.
    Added a 2nd Glacial Chasm to MB.
    Added two "The One Ring", which buys time, unbricks land heavy hands without pieces, and allows T1 nutdraws with Lotus.
    I don't play a lot of vintage, just looked primarily at which cards often came up duds in these games, particularly the ones which also hurt us.
    Doubled down on the go-fast plan.
    Here's the link:
    www.moxfield.com/decks/Qx1oFtiR-0aGz-H_OyeGHw

  • @crovax1375
    @crovax1375 Рік тому +9

    I think that it would be fun to test Storm Caldron out in a deck like this with the Kamigawa Channel lands

  • @daltonmekis
    @daltonmekis Рік тому +2

    49:21 you said you would have to sac your crucible to tinker but you can sac lotus.
    Current state: UUU in pool, 2 lands and lotus in play
    Sac lotus for WWW, pay W and bounce tundra to return lotus. Sac lotus for WWW, pay W and bounce saga to return lotus. You now have WWWWUUU in your pool (you could also have a colorless from saga), both crucible and lotus in play. Tinker costs 5 so you could pay for it sacrificing lotus as the artifact and have 3 mana left over. Grab map with the tinker, use all but 1 mana to sac it and find chasm. Then you have 1 mana and 1 life to go nuts with chasm + fastbond + crucible
    Edit: this is all assuming I remember what tameshi does. I’m watching this on a train in Italy so it’s like 480p and I can’t read it. But pretty sure this like works

  • @vturtle7444
    @vturtle7444 Рік тому +1

    You found the line later. but if you really want your brain to melt. @47:30 ish when you were messing with timeshi. tinker into map into chasm lets you built up to mystic sanctuary to tinker into vault key by mystic tinker use bazaar, mystic tinker use bazaar.
    there's also a chance im wrong because of all the moving parts and i missed something doing it all in my head. but damn i love this deck hahahaha.

  • @alternativeplay5814
    @alternativeplay5814 Рік тому +1

    I made my own 0 power vintage deck that has a main win con of playing lands and 2 pieces I include in it that are beneficial for my specific build that might be useful in this would be (lesser so) Trade Routes and (more so) Zuran Orb as Orb + Fastbond + Crucible effect = infinite life and mana. The combo with Trade Routes gives infinite draw as well.
    Edit: I reached the point of the video where I saw you have Orb in the board.

  • @Refog1
    @Refog1 Рік тому +6

    I don’t quite understand the zuran orb in the sideboard since with fastbond and crucible you can gain infinite life and mana, and if you add a bazaar you can just mill your entire deck, so why isn’t it mainboard as a standard piece of the combo?

    • @BoshNRoll
      @BoshNRoll  Рік тому +2

      Could be. My notes at the end is that Citadel sucks, there’s some room for it.

  • @Auron3991
    @Auron3991 Рік тому +1

    I don't know if it's too slow, but Retreat to Hagra + Fastbond + Replayable land is also a potential option for a combo win.

  • @IeuroI
    @IeuroI Рік тому +1

    that deck tech section was delicious lol

  • @caydenong3128
    @caydenong3128 Рік тому +5

    at 17:50, is it possible to skip a turn to untap time vault to avoid paying cumulative upkeep on glacial chasm? not saying it's the better play -- just genuinely don't know if that's how it works haha

    • @BoshNRoll
      @BoshNRoll  Рік тому +1

      That does work, yes

    • @gmofftarki
      @gmofftarki Рік тому

      At least in Forge (and probably on mtgo), you can just say "No" to paying the upkeep on glacial chasm in order to immediately put it back down. Since it would be the first land of the turn, the fastbond wouldn't damage you and it would prevent damage for the rest of the turn.
      Obviously, depending on your life total and the opponent, that could leave you in a risky position against lightning bolts and so on, and it requires having both fastbond and crucible up already (at which point you're basically already infinite), but once you get the gears rolling you probably shouldn't have to lose life even to prevent losing life.

  • @AaronRotenberg
    @AaronRotenberg Рік тому +2

    This deck is completely bananas and I love it.

  • @SomeOne-ym4xg
    @SomeOne-ym4xg Рік тому +5

    I’ve been look for a Vintage Lands deck for years that plays like the Legacy one. This might be it.

  • @BigChimpEnergy
    @BigChimpEnergy 5 місяців тому +1

    I'm currently trying to brew a Canadian Highlander build of this deck using what I'm allowed to within the parameters of the points system. It's either going to be a build that jams all the 1-2 mana black tutors or a more Bomberman-like Black Lotus / Tameshi build. Regardless from what I've seen Zuran Orb seems like a must for this deck since it works like an alternative to Glacial Chasm. With Zuran, Fastbond, a Crucible-type effect plus a dredger (Loam or Dakmore Salvage) you can mill your whole deck with Bazaar.

  • @joetechton828
    @joetechton828 Рік тому +1

    This deck is wild....and I'm here for it. 🎉

  • @LucksackGames
    @LucksackGames Рік тому +4

    Land strategy? Vintage? Im here.

  • @dancampbell4732
    @dancampbell4732 Рік тому +2

    Maybe consider realms uncharted? Three mana, but gets four lands out of your deck.

  • @skrappy3387
    @skrappy3387 Рік тому +2

    Such a cool deck. I will say that siding out a T1 green source almost every match could have hurt your ability to find G on T1

  • @christopherlundgren1700
    @christopherlundgren1700 Рік тому +2

    This deck seems like a great choice if you really enjoy taking game actions.

  • @TheShadywater
    @TheShadywater Рік тому +1

    I love the concept, but I believe it wants something like a platinum angel in the main deck with how much it's asking of your life points to matter in game 1 situations

  • @moneyforshort
    @moneyforshort Рік тому +1

    Fast bond? Prison?! My goodness what a treat today

  • @EGarrett01
    @EGarrett01 Рік тому +2

    Zuran Orb is also very tricky and strong in this deck. More infinite life (EDIT: and mana) combos and another sac outlet. For zero.

  • @zzztopspin
    @zzztopspin Рік тому +1

    The fastbond, crop rotation, AND expedition map didn't even move on the mull : o

  • @felipeandreas3783
    @felipeandreas3783 Рік тому +1

    On 30:05 i believe u should've holded the extra card in hand, than u can select to keep a card to use later during the loop (tutor, recall, tinker, etc)

  • @joejonnyjeff
    @joejonnyjeff Рік тому +1

    One haywire mite in the side for Saga utility to kill Leylines turn 3-4 would feel good.
    Some Enlightened Tutors for more consistent turn 2 goldfishes? Also for backup Time Vault combo, maybe even instead of Tinker.
    Workshop seems great on paper but may be a detriment more often than not.
    Teferi is too slow against counter spells in this turn 2 win deck, but Containment Priest in the side might be some strange tech against bazaar, dredge, and oath instead.

  • @OChecker
    @OChecker Рік тому +1

    Neat deck, really enjoyed the Show. If you want to interact more with creatures, maybe a single aether spell bomb might be fine. Can bei tutored by Saga and looped with tameshi.

  • @jacklatorre4167
    @jacklatorre4167 Рік тому +1

    This is the Painter's Servant of Vintage

  • @IamActuallyLvL1
    @IamActuallyLvL1 Рік тому +1

    Seems your brain was as mushed as mine after a league with this beauty

  • @nathannjh
    @nathannjh Рік тому +2

    The mighty bosh strikes again!

  • @alasanof
    @alasanof Рік тому +4

    It'd be nice to see more vintage content, but it seems hard to make when every deck needs a hundred hours experience to milk every percentage point to win.

    • @BoshNRoll
      @BoshNRoll  Рік тому +6

      This deck is particularly hard. Most of them are reasonable to play cold. I play what people send me, always love when I’m sent vintage. :)

  • @wrMendax
    @wrMendax Рік тому +1

    Man nothing like some good vintage content!

  • @9sharps
    @9sharps Рік тому +1

    33:26 opponent missed the line of Mystical Tutor for Time Walk, cast Time Walk, elk the citadel, then kill you with a 3/3 Citadel

    • @reves432
      @reves432 Рік тому

      Or you know, just elked the citadel and attacked since it was in play from the previous turn. EDIT: nope, had a construct blocker

  • @fxyo4469
    @fxyo4469 Рік тому +1

    23:40 on the concession, can we not play strip mine, force pitching fastbond targetting patchwork and foundry inspector, pay 1 for sphere and 2 for ward, play for turns on mana crypt? OP hellbent.

  • @bblivid
    @bblivid Рік тому +1

    the proliferate land could be neat to pump the saga to the win immediately

  • @nr.12
    @nr.12 Рік тому +4

    as someone who has no clue about vintage, i have a question: wouldnt you want 4 copies of fastbond to increase the chance of getting it in the opening hand? what is the reason for only having 3?

    • @BoshNRoll
      @BoshNRoll  Рік тому +6

      I didn’t do the heavy lifting on number tuning, I assume the answer is that the deck can play without it if necessary and the second one is blank.

    • @discoooooooo
      @discoooooooo Рік тому +2

      As Bosh said, having a second copy is generally unneeded and actively awful in play (one life for a land is fridge at best in modern vintage, getting shocked per extra land drop is just too much). The deck can churn to it fairly quick to find fastbond as a 3-of and there just aren't that many slots if one really wanted the 4-of.

  • @music00soba
    @music00soba Рік тому +3

    bosh pack smoke em if you got em

  • @oelboy
    @oelboy Рік тому +1

    Radiant Fountain would be a nice addition as it lets you have infinite colorless mana with Fastbond, Strip Mine and Crucible.
    Hermit Druid seems too slow to be worth it but how about Hedron Crab? It helps you find your stuff and serves as a mill win condition.
    Edit: Also Mesmeric Orb. Feels like an Icarus scenario but just generates sooo much card advantage.
    Edit 2: Scratch the Orb. I forgot Boseiju can't kill your own stuff... 😅

  • @Vorlinds
    @Vorlinds Рік тому +1

    During the deck-tech, I kept wondering why we didn't play Zuran Orb.

  • @notafat123
    @notafat123 Рік тому +3

    keep up the great vids

  • @mrmarklin
    @mrmarklin Рік тому +5

    Vintage is weird, even after playing it for some time lol. Seems more like a board game than a fair play land / cast spell game.

  • @TheGerch123
    @TheGerch123 Рік тому +1

    Hey Bosh, what about a revisit of this Deck with some Horn of Greed? Hm? Hmmmm?

  • @fenril0542
    @fenril0542 Рік тому +2

    I'm a simple man, I see a black lotus, I click.

  • @christopherlundgren1700
    @christopherlundgren1700 Рік тому +1

    If Teferi is mainly there as a preemptive form of interaction, maybe Defense Grid would be a better fit. Also Glacial Chasm is a miserable do-nothing, but also seems essential when it’s go time. Maybe you need a second one.

  • @loganchristiansen564
    @loganchristiansen564 Рік тому +4

    Literally plays against shops 3 times in a league

  • @TheMagicWorker
    @TheMagicWorker Рік тому +2

    It needs enlightened tutor.
    Also, Zuran Orb should be in the main deck as part of the Saga package, it stabilizes the main combo and you don't have to wasteland yourself.

  • @permabanter7770
    @permabanter7770 Рік тому +1

    Any chance this deck or some variant of it would enjoy a copy or two of Squandered Resources? Its one of my favourite cards and seems like it would play nice with the Crucible Fastbond core.
    Plays a similar part to strip mine in the combo but saves a life per iteration, two mana is a big ask of the deck though...

  • @theemathas
    @theemathas Рік тому +1

    Does this deck want Veil Of Summer or Allosaurus Shepherd instead of Teferi?

  • @mclsalvador
    @mclsalvador Рік тому +1

    Round 2: Dies to yourself. Opponent doesn't even play a single relevant card 🤣🤣🤣. Peak Vintage gameplay.

  • @Thqrun
    @Thqrun Рік тому +1

    Been playing a list similar to this for a while. It looks like a mad pile, but it's felt pretty darn consistent.

    • @BoshNRoll
      @BoshNRoll  Рік тому +2

      Yeah I could feel the synapses connecting as I played it. With real reps this is hot.

    • @Thqrun
      @Thqrun Рік тому

      @@BoshNRoll Agree with most of your assessments as well. I don't run the teferis, citadel has been good though.

  • @tylergoerlich9494
    @tylergoerlich9494 Рік тому

    @ 18:00 you had more time than 2 turns, you could sack and replace chasm a few times

  • @josephirgang6470
    @josephirgang6470 Рік тому +1

    I will always watch fastbond brews.

  • @DarkestFiction
    @DarkestFiction Рік тому +1

    In M1G3, I think your big misstep was killing the Saga before targeting the fast mana. You take a turn off, they get to have Saga, but you deny them mana to use its ability. They didn't have another land, and the one land they DID have was Workshop. That has no bearing on the game, and you weren't losing to the Saga immediately. If you FoV on their rocks, the lose out on 4 mana, and they don't get to activate Saga if you Force in the Upkeep. You're on a 7 turn clock, and they're unable to grow their Automaton as fast as they could.

  • @RumpledNutskin
    @RumpledNutskin Рік тому +1

    No Zuran Orb seems suspicious in the Urza's saga+crucible of worlds deck

  • @WordSonFoRealz
    @WordSonFoRealz Рік тому

    More vintage shenanigans lists. This is great

  • @joshbaker8767
    @joshbaker8767 Рік тому +1

    What a wild video! Haha

  • @ronin5802
    @ronin5802 Рік тому +1

    Why isnt this deck playing zuran orb? With fastbond, crucible, and bazaar its infinite discards, and mana with the lands

  • @cream3148
    @cream3148 Рік тому +1

    50:05 couldn’t you have sacrificed lotus for white, returned it to play with temeshi, and then tinker away the lotus?

  • @drpibisback7680
    @drpibisback7680 Рік тому +1

    This deck is insane.

  • @Dreg_s
    @Dreg_s Рік тому +1

    Great video name

  • @zwarrior1983
    @zwarrior1983 9 місяців тому +1

    I think karakas and marit lage combo is needed here it might be legacy tech but it seems better than bazaar with this one

  • @nathanr5023
    @nathanr5023 Рік тому +1

    No field of the dead? And can we somehow fit in anger to haste the zombos?

  • @brinkbleash
    @brinkbleash Рік тому +1

    Oh yeah baby its vintage

  • @Necrotog82
    @Necrotog82 Рік тому +1

    If Glacial Chasm is so important why only run one? It seems like every game is i "i have to fine the Glacial Chasm", i'm not saying run 4, but atleast 2.

  • @IAMZERG
    @IAMZERG Рік тому +1

    Deck is called lands and less than 50% of the deck is lands. Disappointing xD
    If I wanted to afford a vintage deck, I think this would be the list. Love it!

  • @Vuurgeest
    @Vuurgeest Рік тому +1

    Love me some vintage!

  • @Reversespacehippie
    @Reversespacehippie Рік тому +1

    Obligatory algorithmic contribution

  • @cquave11
    @cquave11 Рік тому +2

    You said some words and did some things that did other things....thats about my assessment of this deck. this is a 5 head deck and i only have 4

    • @BoshNRoll
      @BoshNRoll  Рік тому

      Yeah I’m at 4.25 myself. This thing hurt.

  • @spyderman312
    @spyderman312 Рік тому +1

    Platinum Emperion over Citadel?

  • @total_dk6517
    @total_dk6517 Рік тому +1

    I wonder if anyone ever got screwed by "any number of lands" only meaning "2000 lands" in MODO.

  • @invisible4ever
    @invisible4ever Рік тому +1

    50:00 can't you at least try to find your glacial chasm with another tameshi activation dredging loam ?

  • @evan7721
    @evan7721 Рік тому +1

    35:36 couldve killed 3/4 of their stuff with Force of Vigor, smh my head

  • @inanchen2111
    @inanchen2111 Рік тому +1

    No Zuran Orb? =(

  • @jennaeasley2277
    @jennaeasley2277 Рік тому +1

    Do you think you’ll revisit this in preparation for eternal weekend?

    • @BoshNRoll
      @BoshNRoll  Рік тому

      It’s not in serious consideration for me to play, but I play what the patreon sends me so it’s possible. No current plans for it though.

  • @mattcampbell4150
    @mattcampbell4150 Рік тому +1

    This deck needs zuran orb!

  • @Karl_Smink
    @Karl_Smink Рік тому +1

    OH MAN, Fastbond is DAMAGE, which means you have infinite land drops during the turn cycle you play The One Ring.

  • @stevenrhodes8338
    @stevenrhodes8338 Рік тому +1

    Too bad kitty couldn't make the cut

  • @tvsveryown
    @tvsveryown Рік тому +1

    landslandslandslandslandslands

  • @amschu04
    @amschu04 Рік тому +1

    good soup