The Group S Cars (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Back when Group B was still around, Group S was planned to be brought in in 1988 to replace the Group. A lot of manufacturers began building prototypes to comply with these new regulations, and even when Group S was abolished along with its older brother, the prototypes remained. Today, we'll take a look at the rest of the prototypes I didn't cover in the last video.
0:00 - Intro
0:46 - Mazda RX7 S
2:32 - Seat Ibiza Bimotor
4:40 - Opel Kadett E 4S
6:34 - Lada Samara S-Proto
8:29 - Peugeot Quasar
10:02 - Outro
Part 1: • The Group S Cars (Part 1)
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Hey! Hope you enjoyed the second part of this mini-series, I had a blast making them! I just want to let you know my work pace is likely going to slow down over the next few months. I will still be working on videos, but I have to make sure I keep up with other things like school, my final exams are just 6 months away! Once again, thank you all for the support, it has been amazing! Ciao!
Huh the peugeot quasar reminded me of another prototype from 1988 the Oxia concept car.
In terms of race cars that did race out of peugout's cars
over the years id say the peugout 905 le mans is pretty spectacular a
naturally aspirated 3.5 litre v10, probably one of the best sounding le
mans cars too this day still.
Saw it first in trackmania carpark here.(pc racing game series, worth a look imo.)(trackmania nations forever is free for example & worth checking out too waste some time in on a slow day imo, kind of has a career mode where you beat times on premade tracks against others times & you can make your own tracks too!.)
(One of the cooler map types that doesn't require any effort too drive in are press forward maps. (lots of em on youtube.)
(As the name suggests, it's press forward only on those maps.)
This map took 2 years too build, one too place all track pieces, one year too calculate all shadows
ua-cam.com/video/uK7Y7zyP_SY/v-deo.html
Another press forward map that is apparently intentionally super glitchy with the physics but really is something you have too see.
ua-cam.com/video/YXVAI1Choks/v-deo.html
Suzuki escudo had 2 engine
The Citroën 2CV Sahara famously had 2 engines as well, long before the SEAT. I hope your exams went well, thanks for the videos!
Seriously? Using two engines is LESS complex than 4WD??? That just seems crazy to me!
Awesome video!!!
Wish that Mazda could've raced just for the sound.
LADA HAD A GROUP S CAR??? It's so sad that they fell short with it, plus it was 1980s ussr... What a tragedy
Russians were never goid with cars. They are good with military tech and trucks. But cars were never their special.
tino897 admittedly, I can confirm that as a Russian myself. 😂
@@ej22_gc86 I think it was just ( you know i aint russian but im Bulgarian close ) so i think it was just of your government's priorities. You were more focused on the weapons. Not that Nato wasnt but it was different filosofies.
Estonians built even an ZAZ 1102 group B/S prototype. img11.auto24.ee/auto24/news/770/530/119570530.jpg
Lada Eva, the B group prototype, was mainly and mostly developed by lithuanian rally racers in their garages. It was not considered an official Lada project until group S became announced. Only three original Lada Eva`s were made. I will try to back up my claim with sources, but that might take some time. Still nice to see it mentioned here
I had NO idea there was a Group B/S Ibiza. Honestly, when you look at Spain's automobile history you end up finding some incredibly rare and obscure gems here and there.
Well the list of Group-B to merge in Group-S secret cars was a bit longer than what is mentioned in this part 2 : Mitsubishi also modify a Starion 4WD for Group-S in full testings.. along with Porsche 959 S (that won latter Dakar) and FSO 2500 Strato-Polonez 4WD.. Nissan also made a mid-engine 4WD prototype that old rumors spoken it was intended to enter WRC Group-S but not sure why got ditched Nissan Mid4 II, other old 84-85 WRC clips show BMW - M1, they did few races in last 2 years of WRC Group-B most famous courses only on dry & paved tarmac stages and intended to fully enter entire season WRC in Group-S along with another exotic name Ferrari who got the 308 GT/M for WRC raced just same like M1-PROcar few times in Group-B but one italian auto-magazine had an article about more serious intentions of Ferrari announcing to enter next with the 288 GTO EVO prototype in WRC Group-S.. after the Group-B banning the 288 GTO EVO prototype was intensively used as testing-muhle and helped Ferrari workers to build the legendary F-40..
@@poplaurentiu4148This is an outstanding comment. You know your cars 😎
This channel is so underrated... You're gonna blow up!!!
Thank you so much! :)
Just like toivonen
*lion_is_ balanced* oh god oh fuck
Leonardo Piovezan hes gonna blow more up then My butt after tacobell
Wow, that Peugeot! Sometimes I forget that Peugeot used to make attractive looking cars.
The Quasar looks like Peugeot wanted to do their own version of Lancia Stratos.
Never heard of any of these, glad I know about them now! Great vid mate
Cheers!
Those wheel fenders on the Mazda looks like a GTA san Andreas mod that wasn't installed properly
John Welsch used one of the Kadett 4S in rallycross.. highly successful car even it came back home damaged
That guy was crazy. I have seen Race Footage of him driving that car with a damaged Radiator and, the Brink of Overheating and killing the Engine, he didn't give a F*** and just blasted through that race and won it. Rumor has it that at the end he had around 700 BHP in that beast.
@@Soonjai He had 703hp in it but that car ate engines like dinner. The car itself still exsits but it has a 24 valve engine of some kind in it now and sits on a pile of scrap
Gotta love a PP Rotary. Sounds amazing
I'm new to rally so this video is a superb history lesson. Thanks
In addition...
There is another Group S prototype rally car silently tested in Asia Pacific Rally Round Rally Of Malaysia Back in the days...
Nicknamed as Proton Prototype Group S..
-Running 4g63t AWD powertrain from updated version of mitsubishi galant vr4 (test mule for mitsubishi lancer evolution 1)
-Rear mounted radiator
-huge roof scoop mimicking ford rs200
-4unit round headlights mimicking delta s4 (production model of proton saga running rectangular headlights)
-rumours said the car running at around 340-360bhp power trim
The link of said car:
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=488677828615468&id=417479739068611
Not much info or video laying around...apart from a couple of old picture.. and yes ive seen it running in person while a was a little kid spectating the local rally event...
**Additional notes:
Proton rallying history blooming since then..
-with proton saga iswara turbo awd (group N spec of the prototype car)
-proton pert (homologated as proton based on mitsu evo 3) *if not mistaken was build by tusk engineering in conjunction with kaitler engineering
-proton wira 1.8 rally car (homologation for international rally in group N)
-proton satria/compact s1600 (homologated for group A fwd 1600cc class) *winner of 1997 Safari Rally in formula 2 (fwd) class
-Proton Pert mk2 (based on evo6 chassis)
-Proton Pert mk3 (based on evo7 chassis) -also wins WRC in Production class (P-WRC year 2002)
-top secret Proton Putra WRC prototype (never runs competetive event, build by prodrive alongside Impreza WRC1999 or S5 prodrive wrc car)* also explains alot why these proton putra wrc and impreza s5 wrc looks like an identical twin!
Moving into modern rally era (build by Mellors Elliot Motorsport uk)
-Proton Satria Neo S2000 (homologated for wrc s2000 class)
And latest iteration of Proton cars in rally..
-Proton Iriz R5 (obviously for current wrc R5 class using 4b11t engine)
Its cool for me that even our Czech🇨🇿 Škoda participated in both B and S groups. Still,the most famous event for Škoda is probably the WRC and Monte Carlo races, even though they have much succes 🙂...
Thanks for including the Lada
Wow!! I had a Matchbox (or similar) toy car of the Peugeot Quasar back in the eighties and it had been long forgotten until now. This brought back some memories.
Matchbox 8 dot wheels, maroon with yellowish orange deco?
@@needfoolthings Thanks for asking but nope, my little Quasar was white with red text on the doors. Yes on the wheels though. Google brought up pictures of it. Cool car!
@@78LonelyRider i loved mine, too. It looked brutal, way ahead of its time.
This channel gonna blow up. Awesome content as alleways!
Thank you very much!
Oh, that Quasar!
The Quasar went on to become the Peugeot Oxia supercar concept i recommend looking it up it’s an absolute monster and perfect recept for an icon
Kudos on showing the Quasar, some old Supercar books from the 80s will have details on it.
Remember reading years ago, that GKN had licensed the Ferguson 4wd system to GM for a Grp B/S turbo Manta. Rumours persisted for a while, but I don't think anything came of it.
Also, there was the Grp B Citroen BX4!
That SEAT sounds absolutely insane. Thanks for this vid man!
Such a shame those cars never ran as intended. Would've been fun to see if that bimotor thing worked out.
Never thought I would like a Lada until I saw that design.
Thanks for part 2! It was neat to see how different manufacturers were tackling the Group S rules in such different ways. Any plans for other prototype cars from other racing series? Or race cars in general, from whichever series?
I've had quite a few requests to look at specific manufacturers' racing histories as a series (e.g Ford or Skoda) so it could definitely be a possibility!
@@JackohMotors I like that idea a lot. There are some amazing stories in many manufacturers' histories; it'd be interesting to hear about some of them. You've got my vote for sure!
The Quasar would have been an instant classic.
Nice! I was hoping to hear about cars that I never knew about, and I am not disappointed. Thank for for doing Part 2!
Nice to see your channel doing well, keep up the informative videos! ♡
Wow, another fantastic vid, well done.
I never even heard of Groups S and it they’re so rad! Thanks for getting me learnt brother!!
That last car looked AWESOME!
Great vids! Really enjoying them.
Excellent I've been waiting for this video :) Thanks for taking the time to put the effort you do into these Jackoh!
Happy to be of service ;)
Outstanding work young man, simply outstanding. Informative, concise and descriptive. Your editing skills are really improving as well. Looking forward to the next one.
Scott H Thank you so much! Happy you enjoyed it :)
you deserve to have at least 1 mil subs for these quality vids
Awesome video dude keep it up
Thanks for part 2!
U are amazing creator love your videos keep at this great work u are doing
Cheers bro!!
Can't help but think where Motorsport would be today hadn't the days of madness ended the way it did. Great job on the video
Great video
There were rumours of a group S maestro 6R4 which was to use the same transmission as the Astra 4S but with the engine from the metro the V64V mounted in the front
This channel is so good, i dont understand why it doesint have a lot of subs...
The Mazda looks like a lancia 037 at the back
That Quasar is just amazing. Would love to drive one of those on the street.
Thank you Jackoh :)
I live this channel i never heard of group s untell now
Amazing video like the first part. Any information about the current life of the prototypes?
Quite a few of the cars have resurfaced in racing events like goodwood (for example the Opel Kadett or the Seat Bimotor) , but quite a few haven't seen the light of day in decades.
rallygroupbshrine.org/group-s/ if you want to read up in further detail on any specific car's recent history.
@@JackohMotors thanks👍👍
Lada, who knew?!
Excellent
Thank you
The engine in the Ibiza wasn't built by Porsche, it was mostly Seat designed with advice from Porsche in return for putting "System Porsche" on the rocker covers.
I had a MK1 Ibiza 1.5 with the same engine but I put the turbo from a Starlet Glanza on mine, unfortunately an accidental money shift (looking for 4th, found 2nd) sent it to the scrapheap. Fun car, weighed about 700kg once stripped and with the extra power it went like a rocket, torque steered like a pig but quite well balanced off throttle.
Well done on part 2 very informative video. People think the Peugeot Quasar is a Group S car because it was in that god awful Sebastien Loeb Rally Evo game, it's nice to see that you've done your research on this and the even rarer other cars. Good job mate, keep making videos they are really well done and informative.
Thank you :)
good video
There was really working Lada group B car too, the Lada VFTS, built in Lithuania on Lada 2105. Check it out.
Well, Lada EVA has raced in few eastern bloc rallies. Also It even participated 1000 lakes rally in 87-88 but with "oica" instead of a number (non classified entry?). T3 Samara had nothing to do with EVA. It's a completely different car.
There are a quite a few tuned Rx 7 Mk 1 out there that catch the group s sprit.
What was seat thinking? Crazy stuff
Hello, tanks for the 2 videos on group S, but you forget the Renault R5, they put 4x4 on it for S, they put the car on WRX after.
Lada EVA replica is in Estonia in motorsport museum for everyone to see.
Haha, the Opel Super Boss for instance seems almost like they operated by group B rules lol
Edit: shameless plug. art of rally brought me here
I dont know whereabouts in the depths of my brain I found this but,
Im sure I heard about a twin engined VW Golf back in those days, may be thats what Seat were using, it was about that time VAG acquired Seat
I watched few days ago in finnish tv interwiew of mister kankkunen. He tested peugeot s group car and thinked at those cars are maddnes. Too much power and too poor handling
Well for that Mazda car, for me it's almost the same as the RS200. At first I thought you would be talking about a Ford actually there lol
You featured a picture of a 205 recreation bearing the reg plate T16 EVO this car isnt even a Peugeot 😅 it's a Mitsubishi Evo in Drag !! Built buy Dimma
1:40
the mazda uses a mercedes wiper assembly (w124,w201. etc)
9:00 mmmm isn't that the can't remember what car that was modified to look like a 205 T16 Evo2?
does anybody know the calibra turbo 4x4 was reusing part developed for the group s kadett?? would make lot of sens to me
It wasn't, believe it or not. It was a development of the existing Ascona/Cavalier/Calibra 4wd system. The story at the time, was that management didn't want to go head to head with the Escort Cosworth, preferring an Autobahn stormer instead. 250bhp was the target, hence the F26 gearbox and beefed up shafts. The 5 stud PCD was unique to those, incidentally.
In development, they found out the torque steer at 250bhp was dangerous (reputedly, one of the development Calibras was totalled in an incident caused by torque steer), so it was pegged back to the 215bhp they appeared with.
Given that they weren't the lightest cars, the performance wasn't as hot as it should've been, sadly.
is it just me or dose the rx7 have escort mk 3/4 tail lights ?
Don`t forget group S included pretty serious limitations, like 300 hp limit.
Can anyone please explain? I believe in the Gr.S rules was maximum 300 HP but most of the Gr.S prototypes had 600 or more HP ?
Thank you Jackoh for these excellent video's.
Oh this video is so old because it's from the last decade
What was peugot thinking...
oil and water dont mix - neither does glass and rally lol
Make a Group 5 video series
Please make the Group B videos of overatted and underrated cars
The Lada Samara EVA was not Russian built. It was built in Vilnius, Lithuania by Stasys Bruzda, who's a rally driver and a prominent car collector
He mixed up Russia and the Soviet Union.
A little know fact about twin engined Cars the Engines Do Not Need to Be Synchronised At All !!! Ask Kim Mather he built a Scirocco 1.8x2 in 1980 ish it was so successful many rallies banned it !! That was upwards of 300bhp before development
Only one complaint. Its IbiZa. Not ibeta
What would FD look like if that RX7S actually exists
Anyone else think that Ibiza looks like a Mark ll Golf?
Until you said that mazda was a mazda i thought it was a modified ford...
Lada samara eva
This seems to be a load of rubbish, to me. The Astra GTE was never Group B, I'm pretty sure it was Group A, same with the RX7 etc. The nearest to Group S was with Rallycross, the likes of the RS200 evo, and modified 6R4's etc.
"how far peaugot has fallen since the 80s"..... Well.... That's changed...... have you seen the 9X8?!?!?!?!?(not to mention how good their road cars are looking)
No disrespect, but the project around the Seat Bimotor seems like a very dumb idea! And even with two engines they were still underpowered lol.
They should thank FIA for banning the Group-S, otherwise they would become the joke of that category 😂
Lada is shit)) They put Opel engine and gearbox in VAZ 21106. It was the best Lada in the world)
The Lada were such a joke