Even More Forgotten Rally Cars
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- Rallying has seen some of the greatest race-bred machines in history, and while a lot of these have gone on to carve themselves legendary and successful careers, there are a great many others out there that didn't quite reach that standard. Time to give them the spotlight for a change.
Part 1: • The Forgotten Rally Cars
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0:00 Intro
0:21 Nissan 240z/ Violet GT/ Silvia 240RS/ Pulsar GTI-R
4:04 Proton Pert
6:04 Citroen Visa and BX4TC
10:28 Seat Cordoba WRC
13:34 Outro
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Hope to have covered a few suggestions posted in part 1! If I didn't cover yours, I do plan on producing a part 3 sometime down the line!
Suggestions for Part 3:
-Mercedes-Benz 450 SLC 5.0
-Toyota Supra Mk. 3
-Audi 200 Quattro
-Ford GT70
-Subaru Vivio RX-R
-Mitsubishi Lancer EX Turbo
-Jeep Wagoneer
-Dodge Ramcharger
-Porsche 924 Carrera GT
-BMW M1
-VW Rallye Golf
-Fiat Abarth 124 Rally
As a southeast asian I'm glad to see Proton being mentioned in this vid. PERT stood for Petronas Eon Racing Team. PERT was rebranded to Proton R3 in 2003 but R3 has sadly met a similar fate to Mitsubishi's Ralliart having scaled down it's operations from 2017 onwards.
R3 is still around but they now only compete in national championships. R3 also made special edition models of existing Proton vehicles with some of them having performance enhancements but their most recent models are just merely cosmetic enhancements.
Proton is now half owned by Geely.
Would love to see you do a video essay on Proton in rally!
A bit of a correction tho, PERT was directly under EON and they went defunct in 2007. They were completely separate from Proton Corp/R3. However the PERT team lead Datuk Abdul Razak Dawood did went on to R3 after leaving EON.
half + .1%
The Pert wasn't Proton's 1st foray into the WRC. In fact, that would be their 2nd.
Proton, as you mentioned, had ties to Mitsubishi and back in the late 90s whilst Mitsubishi was gaining success with the Evo V & VI, Proton saw what Mitsubishi was doing and thought "boleh la. If they can do it, why can't we" so they took a Wira which was basically a Evo I-III variant of the Lancer of that time, slap the Evo engine and AWD system into the chassis and send it off for WRC rounds. It did not win much but it did perform rather well. Well... Well enough for a totally unprepared team.
In fact, Proton thought that they could keep up with the efforts before the Pert 2.0 (Yes, the Wira was also called the Pert so let's call the Evo VI variant "2.0") that they actually tried building a new WRC contender from scratch. They took a Putra chassis which essentially was a Evo III coupe, again slot in the 4G63T but this time send the car over to Prodrive to have them worked on and this was in 1998. However, for reasons unknown, Proton canned the project and the Putra WRC concept is still in storage in Malaysia with 2 being made either as prototype mocks or for testing. Regardless, Proton then received the Evo VI and made that into the Pert 2.0 which I guess was way cheaper for them to take a stock car and beat it around a rally rather than to make a whole new car for rallies being that Proton is a small company.
That wasn't the end of Proton's rallying dream tho.
Proton then went on and took the new Satria Neo, modified the hell out of it thru the Super 2000 guidelines, added AWD to the hatchback and slotted it into the Asia-Pacific Rally Championship. It wasn't WRC but it's still a major rally event in the region regardless and it was utterly amazing. Proton won the 2011 APRC title outright with Colin McRae's brother, Alister behind the wheel comfortably.
Interesting! I think you are referring to the stock 6th gen Lancer saloon (basis for Wira, originally launched in 1991) rather than the Evo variant, and the Putra was essentially a 4th gen Mirage (basically the coupe variant of Lancer).
yeahhhh terbaekkkk ulasan bro 👏👏👏
And now Mellors Elliot Motorsport is flying the Proton flag by running the Proton Iriz as a rally car.
I swear to god am I hallucinating a crewmate in the thumbnail
Omg it's behind the spoiler 😂
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WTF IT IS REALLY THERE
IMPOSsible
this is the definition of a hidden star of a channel
Another rally car that I particularly find interesting no one tends to talk about... or rather ignore it is the Audi 200 Quattro for Group A. Like everyone praises Audi for changing the game completely for bringing AWD and all the glory it had in Group B but no one talks about what happened to them after Group B. They did compete in Group A but for a very short period. It's quite odd considering the huge impact they did few years prior.
I was considering that car for this video, it will definitely be featured in a future episode as I agree it is quite interesting!
I only really knew the car from Richard Burns rally.
Yes, it was quite shocking how Audi left. Yes, the 200 was too big and heavy, but after only 3 rallies (and a single entry for Hannu Mikkola in Finland) they went so quietly without any press release or anything about their withdrawal. Soon it was forgotten the 200 ever existed and it seems that was exactly what Audi wanted. Still that is rather a shame if not even dirty after all the success they had before.
Seat Cordoba and Skoda brought some memories from Colin McRae Rally 2 and V-Rally 2 :D
i would add the k10 nissan march turbo and super turbo too, they ran basically from 1987-ish up to basically early 90's, still very obscure, they were not super competitive too, but were technically after the 240RS and a bit before the GTI-R
Ok, some gems I'm finding with a lookover Wikipedia: Skoda and Lada being there in the 70s, along with Volvo. Skoda came back here and there with the Rapide/130R. VW were there for ages with the Golf MKI and MKii. Fiat had a podium with the Uno in '86! Surprised me too. And more than 3 cars finished! The MK3 Supra raced in the WRC. And was on the podium in Kenya in '87. BMW Rallies the M3. Renault Rallied the MK1 Clio. The Opel Calibra rallied! Skoda had some success in the late 90s with the Octavia, mostly in Kenya.
I'm surprised how long VW rallied the Golfs.
I love the Cordoba WRC, it's definitely the most beautiful World Rally Car imo. Can't wait for the F2 Kit Car Video, your videos are honestly so underrated, always looking forward to new uploads
Love your content! Always brings a smile to my face :) Small and passionate creators are what YT really needs
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed
And Proton also was close to race with a WRC, they comimssioned the build osf a Proton Sutra WRC to Prodrive but soon after the project was cancelled. Of course the prototypes build had ressemblances with a Subaru
Great video. Glad to see new stuff. Rally cars pretty cool. Thanks for showcasing this stuff
Evo VI on the Proton Pert
- there's an imposter among us....
Amazing achievement by Karamjit Singh and Allan Oh. Karamjit is an absolute legend...had the pleasure of meeting the man at my local pub years ago...top.man
Indian origin raise the fame
These videos are awesome bro. Keep them coming, subscribers will follow
My favorite forgotten rally car is Škoda 130LR that also took part in Group B and was in top 10 multiple times even with its weak 130hp and Rear engine rear wheel drive layout.
Little eastern block car that was actually good.
Karamjit Singh is a Malaysian Rally legend. It's a pity rally is not mainstream anymore in Malaysia
Malaysia's car based motorsport events were mainly reliant on support from Proton and Perodua since our government basically tried to pushed away foreign car brands, but then Proton and Perodua these days don't care about motorsports anymore and only care about slapping together a bunch of cars where most of them aren't really suitable any real racing and rallying, usually the problems are being too tall, some too heavy, some too long, some too unstable and some have gearbox that can't handle abuse from racing.
I love the bx4tc even though it's so fat and heavy
Love the content! Superb chan 👍
Hey Jackoh, love this series and your videos. Keep up the good work!
Some suggestions for part 3: rally cars from Saab (primarly Saab 96 V4 and Saab 99 EMS), Volvo (primarly Volvo 142 and Volvo Amazon), BMW 2002Tii, Citroen DS21 and DS23, Jaguar (primarly Jaguar MkII, Jaguar XK120 and Jaguar E-Type, DAF 66, Seat 124D Especial 1800, Audi 50 GL and Coupe Quattro, Mercedes-Benz 450SLC, Hyundai Accent WRC and Mini John Cooper Works WRC.
And if you really want to go deep and include prototypes and rumoured to be rally cars aswell you should take a look at Volkswagen Golf A59.
Probably enough ideas there for part 3 and maybe 4 aswell 😂
Was thinking of including some of these this episode but the video was too long lmao! Will likely come in the following episodes
I always liked the SEAT rallye cars, be it the Ibiza Kit Car or the Cordoba WRC. The yellow livery with the Repsol sponsorship looked pretty cool.
Would be nice if the Cordoba WRC hat more success, i looked definetly better then the Skoda Octavia WRC which kind of replaced it.
Yooo! Gustavo Trelles being recognized, the best rally driver in Uruguay! 4:42
Thx, very interesting.
the pert wasn't really imposter, more like the actual thing with some changes. there was also a 4wd turbo saga iswara that competed in group s, the saga was based on the second gen mitsubishi mirage
Here's a clip on an earlier Proton rally car (An Iswara), where apparently, Ari Vatanen had a chance on it. ua-cam.com/video/xpMM39cHegQ/v-deo.html
And another on a bit more footage of said vehicle. ua-cam.com/video/tPct9hX84T0/v-deo.html
Brilliant video. Strange I only saw it today despite being subscribed to the channel. To a couple of cars I wish to make remarks:
Proton:
The first Proton car was actually made from the Citroen AX, the Proton Tiara. And they first rallied the Wira aka Lancer Evo1-3 (and nationally the Iswara before that). As someone already mentioned it seems important and interesting what Pert actually means. It is the only car model name that is named after rallying. Pert is an abbreviation for Petronas Eon Rally Team.
Citroen:
The Visa was a brilliant budget rally car. And thanks for mentioning the Visa Lotus.
On the BX 4TC that these cars were taken back and destroyed seems to be a mythos that keeps clinging on forever. I think some journalist reported that to simply show how bad the car was and it spread from there. But it is not true and many of the original road cars still exist today.
And Citroen did not even cancel the WRC programm because the car was bad. What went completely under the radar is that Citroen also had a French program with it. The last rally was only 2 weeks before the FIA decided on the groupB ban and it was planned to carry on at least the French program while deveopping the car further for WRC. After Acropolis came the fly away events, so they never planned to compete in the WRC before San Remo anyway. But once the FIA decided on the groupB ban, there simply was no point investing into the car any longer.
Correction on the Proton part, it was Proton Saga that was their first car back in 1985, which was based of Mitsubishi Lancer Fiore. Proton Tiara is actually made in the mid 90s from their joint venture with PSA.
Amazing that you talked about the Silvia 240RS, and the Pulsar GTI-R, yet you forgot the Group A S12 Silvia/200SX. Sure it wasn't the best but it was known for being at the top or very near in the Ivory Coast and Safari Rallies. Nobody seems to remember that while the Citroën Xsara was the last 2 Wheel Drive car to win a WRC Event, the Nissan Silvia remains iirc, the last RWD car to win a WRC -event.
I essentially had to pick and choose which cars I wanted to cover so the video wouldn't go on too long, but I do admit the S12 is another underrated entrant.
Agree, if the Silvia 240RS is there, the Silvia 200Sx should be there too.
I remember going to the 2001 German WRC round with my father, and while I was a huge fanboy for Peter Solberg and the Subaru Team, I always liked the Seat Cordoba Evo. They looked cool and sounded like the, at the time, new Golf GTI, just actually fast.
and I always thought they should've built a street-version of the Cordoba Evo, would've been THE coolest car in the VW lineup (but probably rivaling R32 Golf sales.)
Oh man I remember the Cordoba from CMR 2.0, what a game!
Nissan also had Almera Kitcar and Micra Kitcar
Huh, Proton had 2 models they competed with then? as I don't remember the Pert, but I do remember the Proton Wira.
If you do a third installment you have to cover the Hyundai Accent WRC
And the Coupe that they ran before the Accent.
Daihatsu,Opel, Volkswagen, Porsche,
freakin love the skoda octavia....big body + 4 doors 🥰😘
odd fact, the pulsar has rally options in Forza Horizon 5 of all games, very neat.
OH THATS WHERE THE PULSTAR COMES FROM
Proton persona was rallied in 1996 in the british rally championship.. this was an evo 3 rebadged. i still own the car.
Ooooo a proton pert! I think my country made this without copying!
Me now: its a god damn MITSUBISHI????
The Nissan 240RS in the team colours.
80 90 s its the golden era for combustion car
I love the BX 4TC it's such a weird car
dam was hoping for the Nissan 200sx S12 Rally car
As a Malaysian,I didn't know proton made that car
Lada attempted to build a group b rally car back in the 80’s
Jeep/Dodge they are the reason why 4WD was banned in the first place but is relatively forgotten about well besides by Alfa XD
Citroens car looked The Best
Would have rocked street version eazy 😊
please continue the phoenix fictional car series
If you havent yet try to put in the talbot horizon.
Proton PERT xd
there was 3 of them
the evo 3, evo 6 and evo 7
Timo Salonen was another Datsun ace.
That mitsubishi lancer....proton made the rebadge proton inspira you can google it some converted their proton inspira to mitsubishi lancer but you can tell by looking at body design like the gasoline cap...i drive a proton preve its like malaysia version of dodge charger....dodge charger used by US police and while proton preve used by malaysia royal police
the gti r was perfect in theory: silvia engine with skyline r32 gtr attessa awd system
Surprising it is so underrated with those credentials
Yeah, especially considering how dominant the Skyline GT-R was at the time in TC racing.
The cooling doomed it.
Really? No NSU? Sinca? Mini Marcos?
Wanna see more proton cars in rally series
Bangga proton malaysia
No love for the Citroen DS rally car?
Personally I wouldn't call the DS underrated or forgotten as it was one of the most successful rally cars of the 60's
"There is a imposter among us."
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MALAYSIA MENTIONED 🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾
But the subaru vivio rxr
Pulsar? In Europe is Sunny
baoteng
AWD, not 4WD.
This car is branded to PROTON PERT EVOLUTION. BASE MODEL IS EVO 6 BY MITSUBISHI AND ALL TUNED IS CONDUCTED BY PROTON PERT ENGINEER AND OLSO OVERPASSES THE ORIGINAL MITSUBISHI EVO 6 IN WRC. THIS PROTON PERT EVOLUTION IS ONE OF WRC HISTORY AND ALWAYS BE THE HISTORY. NOT MANY CAR BRANDS CAN BEING CHAMPION IN WRC, US BRANDS IS ANOTHERS EXAMPLES. ONLY FORD INVOLVED IN WRC..