If you actually listens to theological tones of Alex words it is deceptive to accommodate purgatory. He is not straightly saying Jesus salvation is not enough that is why you go to purgatory… he just don’t want to say that because it is clear in scripture. He can t articulate how purgatory relates to Jesus salvation
passages that discuss not causing division or judgment over differing convictions in matters of faith and worship. A key passage addressing this is in Romans 14 (which isn't part of the Gospels but is a letter by Paul): Romans 14:1-3: “As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.” Romans 14:5-6: “One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.” Romans 14:10-13: “Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God... So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God.” In these verses, Paul encourages believers not to argue over matters of personal conviction (such as dietary laws, observance of certain days, etc.), but instead to accept one another, as God has welcomed them. He highlights the importance of mutual respect and peace within the body of Christ, even when people have different practices or beliefs on non-essential matters. This is very much about recognizing that people may serve and worship God in different ways, and that we shouldn't divide over these differences if they are rooted in sincere faith.
He's using passages to support what the church teaches. That's different than establishing church doctrine from Scripture. Rather than Scripture being the pillar of support, it's a paintbrush to give a scriptural veneer to human tradition.
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Romans 11:6 ESV But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
@@GogglesOstrich What are the "good works" that we do in Ephesians 2:10. Why does every protestant who uses Ephesians 2:8-9 leave out Ephesians 2:10 out?
Counsil of Trent Canon 9: If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema. Catholics do not preach salvation by God's grace alone
@@haronsmith8974 Ephesians 2:10 proves my point. Ephesians 2:10 ESV For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. FOR good works, not BY. So faith produces good works, but good works do not obtain or maintain salvation
Hum that guy has a case 🤔 gave me something to think about when it comes to the purgatory. Great to see that men knows the Bible. And he listens to the objection carefully. That was a Nice conversation.
@orpheemulemo8053 Here’s a list of 10 things I put together for you of things and concepts, not “found” in the Bible. Take some time and look into each. You might be surprised what you find. The Word Trinity Sunday Worship The Bible as the Final Authority Worship Bands in Church The Canon of Scripture The Use of Wedding Rings The Term “Personal Relationship with Jesus” The Concept of Altar Calls Non-Denominational Worship Style The Division of the Old and New Testament
@ because Jesus in the Bible said he will build his church on Peter. The church has lasted to this day and is Catholic one :). Pls, Catholic Church is very respectful of Jesus
@ so, your entire interpretation of the Bible is a man made one. Protestant is man made from the 16th century. Catholicism chrisitnsity is from Jesus who made the church in his time and it has lasted ever since.
As long as you BELIEVE in Jesus' FINISHED WORK upon the Cross for your sin debt taking the just punishment we deserve upon Himself, His burial in the Tomb, and resurrection on the third day in bodily form. Put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ for your salvation alone. Not on the Roman Catholic Church, Mary, patron of saints especially in rituals, religious observation, and performance of good works.
This interview with Alex is the most ive ever seen Ruslan press a Catholic. Ruslan keeps saying that the Catholic teachings aren’t scriptural or are radical but Alex is backing it up with scripture. I hope he begins to see the beauty of the faith.
It's tough for Protestants because in order to understand the Catholic faith better you have to understand the paradigm of thought behind it. For many Protestants, they can't ever get their mind out of Sola Scriptura so it is impossible to get where were coming from. In order to SEE us, you kind of have to die to yourself hard to really discover the beauty of the Catholic faith. Always with the Lord's grace of course.
It's wild that any Christian can argue against repentance. If that is the main theme of protestantism, I'm glad I'm Catholic. If your parents gave you a car and you wreck it over and over, you're going to have to pay to fix it. That doesn't mean your parents hate you.
@@AchievingPeakWellness I can't make someone believe that we to be purified to enter God's kingdom I leave that to the holy Spirit. Also who cares if you need to identify it or not, we all agree if you repent and live in friendship in Christ you are saved so why try to name and be worried about the transition process there is no spiritual fruit in it. Catholics just believe they need to work on correcting wrongs they may do while being assured Christ has saved their eternal soul.
@@roman727 Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be present with Christ. If purgatory is not a place but a purification process like you said then where does this purification process happen after we die?
He says that pergatory is "God's love purifying you" and at minute 14 says " you can die in grace but that doesn't mean you are perfectly clean." That is the false presupposition that must be accepted for catholic theology to work. It is a presupposition that is wrong and undermines the gospel. The scripture says " he made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf so that we might become the righteousness of God in him" Catholics are basically saying that the perfect obedience of Jesus as a man was not good enough and must be supplemented with the church's sacraments as well as their ordained mediators/intercessors like Mary, who gave birth to Jesus' siblings. To add even more insult they redefine grace as "unconditional unmerited favor from God" that is conditional on merit earned from the sacraments. What a contradiction. The gift of salvation is not dependent on anything we do or will do and is only received by humble repentance and faith in Jesus who lived, died and resurrected perfectly on our behalf so that when we do die we are perfectly clean because we are in him "For what does the Scripture say? 'Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.' Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness." Romans 4:3-5
@ just a ton of problems here. Let's start with your false assessment of the Catholic presupposition. We fully affirm that He who knew no sin took on sin on our behalf that we may become the righteousness of God in him. Purgatory does not contradict this at all. Thus you are setting up a false dichotomy. To your point about grace. The sacraments or asking for the saints intercession or confessing to a priest are not things we do to merit grace. They are the ordinary means God uses to bestow his favour upon us. They are a gift he has given us, not something we do to put God in our debt. So your quote of Roman's isn't relevant to Catholic beliefs about the sacraments. "The gift of God is not dependent on anything we do and is only received by humble repentance and faith in Jesus." This is actually just a contradiction. If grace is not dependent on ANYTHING we do. Then why would I need to come to Him in humble repentance? If you are saying we can only do that by the grace of God then this is the Catholic position on the sacrament of baptism. Neither are works we do, but rather how we respond to God's invitation to be in His friendship. Remember, if you want to know what Jesus's Church actually teaches, you can buy a catechism at any Catholic bookstore for super cheap. Then you won't be making statements where it shows you don't know much about Catholic teaching.
A wise man once said to me; "It's a shame the church is so divided, what we need is a union of the faith and the fire of a protestant, and the apostolic church combined. The church needs fire and boldness in the faith. He is our King of kings and our Lord of lords, confide in Him and He will lead." I found that beautifull.
@@dominicewing8940 So if I read the Bible believing every word pray and only worship Jesus Christ and try my best to turn for my sins and when I fall short I repent what religion am I?
If not for the Catholic teaching everything becomes subjective. Like Ruslan's points of view are all up to what he 'thinks' and 'sees' in scripture. Hence no order or authority and thousands of protestants denomination.
It really does make sense because your soul has attachment to sin so something needs to happen to you so that you won’t sin in heaven with our free will.
It says in the Bible that that will happen, that we will be changed in an instant though, not over time. That our souls want to serve God when we give our lives to Him and He makes us new, but our _flesh_ is what is tempted and sins. So when we are reunited with our Bodies, we are changed in an instant and made like Christ.
“Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.” Romans 8:30
Did that bring you closer or driver you further away from the modern Roman Catholic view? I’ve just started reading the early Church writings and I’m curious what your experience has been
The main core doctrines yes, but not purgatory, or Jesus’ blood and water spilling on the thief on the cross. That is stretching the Scripture to fit an idea.
Context is always key. It's one interpretation. However there is a problem. If purgatory is the "temporal" punishment of sins, why did we need Jesus to die on the cross? According to what is said, we still have to face the punishment ourselves to be sanctified, meaning that we are "sin free" or "edified" after the purgatorial punishments are paid (by us)... and can claim eternal live from that alone (since the sins have been made right). Something is amiss here. It is suggesting that Christ's death was not required.
As an Orthodox Catechumen, we don’t say we’re saved as an act of humbleness and allowing God to be the one who decides who is saved and who is not. We do affirm what the bible says about salvation however ultimately it is the Lord who decides who is saved. I.E. many will say Lord Lord didn’t we do this in your name and didn’t we do that in your name but I will say depart from me I never knew him. It is ultimately Gods decision to discern and pick the saved. hope that makes sense!
wouldn't, that kind of be like predestination? ive always seen salvation as God giving the gift and then one can choose to deny it or not. salvation being a work of God and the person in question to be saved
@ no it’s not predestination, because that means we can’t do anything about our salvation. Like I mentioned we don’t say we’re saved as an act of humbleness and trying not to judge ourselves or others. We do keep to the pretense of how to be saved through the word of Christ however, we are actively working out or salvation because we believe that salvation can be lost. So in a sense I was saved yesterday, I’m working on my salvation today and tomorrow I pray I will be saved. Does that make a little bit more sense or could I explain it a little better?
@@aaronvivar2819 this is flat out wrong. The Bible states what needs to occur to be saved. 1) Believe that Jesus is the Son of God 2) Cry out to the Lord for forgiveness and acceptance. Pray for the baptism of fire (The outpouring of the Holy Spirit) 3) Repent of your sinful ways. Aka turn from sin, acknowledge that sin nature is evil/wrong and that God's decrees are righteous and follow Jesus's way We literally need to have faith and trust that Yeshua is who he says He is and this is the work of God (to accept His son). If you break it down even more simply, being saved is essentially agreeing with Our Father in Heaven (that he indeed sent his Son and that His son is the only way to eternal life)
@ let me reiterate what I said so it makes more sense to you. We practice our salvation daily and humbly state that. We understand what the Bible says about salvation and practice what it says. I.E repenting and trying to be close to sinless as we can be on this side of heaven. Does that make sense to you?
@@aaronvivar2819 @aaronvivar2819 thats not what we are discussing. My response above is directed towards your comment of "we don't say we are saved out of humbleness." That is not only wrong but completely derails the Gospel. Non-believers will ask, "How do you know you are saved?" Catholics would say (according to your above comment) "Well we dont actually know we just hope God does choose to save us" (which is oddly a more predestination/Calvinist belief). Sorry that isn't going to fly, even non believers can see the illogical nature of that statement.
Alex is great he accurate explains the Catholic position and corrects any straw man’s arguments against our faith. And he backs it up with scripture because for many non Catholics if you don’t quote scripture they won’t even listen to you.
Fantastic point of view. Seriously. I have had a ridiculously hard time not thinking that I am listening to Rocky Balboa, though. Also, a man of honor.
I've watched this video twice because the conversation is amazing. I'm seriously struggling over dude's voice, though. I'm sorry. I genuinely am not trying to upset anyone. He is incredibly smart and well versed. He just sounds like a seventh grader trying to have a manly voice. Again, I am sorry...
@ First off, Catholicism is not a denomination. It’s the common denominator. JESUS is literally present in the Catholic Church. That’s why I love catholicism so much because no other religion has Jesus like we do.😊
Teachings of the Church founded by Jesus Christ and spread by his apostles existing for 2000 years vs teachings invented by some 16th century German rebel that nobody believed before that. It really isn't that difficult to figure out who's right.
What did the Catholic Church have after Martin Luther? They had reformation…which addressed internal corruption , clarified Catholic doctrine, and addressed abuses within the Catholic Church. Council of Trent 1545-1563. Things took awhile back then. I guess cause they didn’t have internet back then..lol
The teachings and practice were always there. There just became a need to define these dogmas with all there heresies starting to arise after the Reformation.
He says that pergatory is "God's love purifying you" and at minute 14 says " you can die in grace but that doesn't mean you are perfectly clean." That is the false presupposition that must be accepted for catholic theology to work. It is a presupposition that is wrong and undermines the gospel. The scripture says " he made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf so that we might become the righteousness of God in him" Catholics are basically saying that the perfect obedience of Jesus as a man was not good enough and must be supplemented with the church's sacraments as well as their ordained mediators/intercessors like Mary, who gave birth to Jesus' siblings. To add even more insult they redefine grace as "unconditional unmerited favor from God" that is conditional on merit earned from the sacraments. What a contradiction. The gift of salvation is not dependent on anything we do or will do and is only received by humble repentance and faith in Jesus who lived, died and resurrected perfectly on our behalf so that when we do die we are perfectly clean because we are in him "For what does the Scripture say? 'Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.' Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness." Romans 4:3-5
Modern Catholic Dictionary: "The place or condition in which the souls of the just are purified after death and before they can enter heaven... The souls are certainly purified by atoning for the temporal punishments due to sin by their willing acceptance of suffering imposed by God" Agrree brother, according to official catholic teaching, the one who atoned for sins in ourgatory is us. That for sure. So logically speaking: our salvation is our atonement and Jesus atonement. Our works + jesus works. Let alone sacramanets and rituals related to this idea, such as treasury of merit, indulgences, repeating hail mary grants you 200 days of reduce time in purgatory. Crazy. Alex here is not being completely honest about what RC believes on purgatory. One thing to add, Orthodox and protestants disagrees on so many things, but on this one they completely in aggreement. Watch kyle ( orthodox convert from RC) video on this topic.
@@vman9347 if you are a follower of Christ, then why not just pray directly to Him?? He lives to intercede for us always, as the book of Hebrews tells us…
@ That’s like saying if a friend ask u to pray for him, would you respond by saying “Why are u asking me? Pray to him urself” No you wouldn’t because you know you can intercede for him. That your prayers like it says in the book of James that the prayers of a righteous person is powerful. Same thing for the saints. They are made perfect by god and we don’t see them as dead. Because how can u be “dead” is ur literally in the presence of god? You’re at a higher level of existence than us. So of course there prayers for us are stronger than our own prayers. But know this the Catholic Church says you can do both. I pray to Jesus almost all the time, but I will occasionally ask for intercessory prayer as well. It’s both not either or.
@ we are spiritually alive, but not physically or humanly alive rather, when we go to heaven. The scripture you are referring to in James is literally a letter that he wrote to human beings that were alive on planet earth. Catholics twist and warp scripture to support catholic dogma and traditions. Why did Saul get rebuked when he tried to communicate with Samuel after the prophet had died?
@@vman9347 it’s more like if you died and your friend prayed to you and asked you to ask God for him, rather than praying to God yourself. “In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.” John 16:26-27
Thank you for being well balanced enough to have representation of traditions that doffer from yours Ruslan. Youre proving yourself to be theologically fare. Blessongs ✝️
Christ did everything necessary to save you from sin and death through his blood shed on the cross. There is nothing else that needs to be done for your salvation. No covenant, no law, no deed, no baptism, no prayer, nothing. Simply trust this provision on your guilty behalf.
"30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." - Acts 16:30-31 kjv
Jesus makes no mention of faith in this verse from Matthew. But he clearly does mention faith in others. So it’s not either/or, it’s both. We must have faith in Christ AND avoid the mortal sins that he explicitly lists. “And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”” Matthew 19:16-19 RSV
7:47 no you do not get holier every time you do something good. We are not saved by works. This is works based salvation. Any and all good things that come out of me and you is an overflow response or the work of the Holy Spirit. I can’t boast or even believe that my works is what makes me holy.
Exactly. Our good works are His works acted through us. No one is good except the Father. I’m reminded of an old man at my church growing up complaining about parents paying their kids to do chores. He said, “Why are they paying them for what they are supposed to do? Their reward is my love, pride in them, and getting to live in my house.” This spoke to me on spiritual level even though he wasn’t speaking scripturally.
@@Isaiah88p holy≠gain or being worthy to get salvation, being holy means living in a way that pleases God, doing good, and following His rules. We want to being holy doesn't mean we want to gain salvation by our own, but being holy is that we can maintain a close relationship with God.
Truly grateful for brother Alex explaining so simplistic yet very deep and interesting. Makes me wanna become Catholic. Wished I knew more Catholics like himself.
Thanks Ruslan for giving Alex the time to explain Catholic teaching and for trying to understand where Catholics are coming from. I really am enjoying this videos.
“Now to the one who works, his wages are NOT counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,” Romans 4:4-5 ESV
We’re not saved by grace if you have to do works to obtain or keep it. If that were so grace would not be grace it would mean salvation is earned wages. And if salvation is earned wages, we have something to boast about.
No the point is there is NOTHING to boast about, not that you shouldnt do good works, its that you CANT take credit for them or do them just to be saved. They must be done out of love for God and all of his creation.
Amen. If we do works, it's because you are now saved at the start of the race. It's not "Do works first and maintain in works, you'll start receiving grace THEN IN TIME you get salvation because of your works." No it's " If you do receive salvation, you'll immediately be in grace. After that, NOW START doing works and maintain BECAUSE you at the start are now saved"
Also The grace and Love of God is what draws us to desire to Act/Do what God Desires. Its not we do something Good and then we receive the love of God. It's the realization that God really loves you that makes it extremely easy to want to do anything He is pleased by. It wasn't for the initial experience of who he is none of us would truly be truly encouraged to return to Him.
When i listen to this it is like they both agree to like nearly everything but the way Ruslan reacts is like he does not understand it despite agreeing with it. To be fair to him church doctrine is difficult it wasn't written to be easy but to be the way things have been reavealed to the church.
@@AchievingPeakWellness Can't you give examples of man made works? We believe you can't work your way to salvation. Our faith is a working faith , meaning you believe in Jesus and following his commandments. Love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Love your neighbor as yourself. Those are works of love that come from God and pleases him.
The main doctrines it seems Catholics and Protestants agree. Why we Protestants have a disconnect is because it seems Catholics add on different stuff that just isn’t necessary, or it seems they stretch certain Scriptures to make a whole extra element from it. Like based on the convo here, we all seem to agree that we are saved by faith in Jesus’ sacrifice alone, but somehow Catholics get to purgatory, where there is nothing in the Bible that paints that picture. Same thing with the whole idea of Mary. We all agree that she is blessed amongst all women, and deserves great respect, but Catholics then take that and stretch it to mean she is the queen of Heaven, and almost put too much attention to her. Seems like a distraction sometimes.
@@neo-soul7779 i would say the passages that are brought up show purgatory quite well or at least what purgatory is the proceess of "burning" away what is unclean in us at the moment of our death the "time" in purgatory is different from our perception of it since haven/hell/purgatory are outside of time. About our Holy Mother She is the one who brought Jesus into this world but after that it was Her who kept bringing people to God. I don't know if you read/watched the whole story of Our Lady of Guadelupe somewhere, in the video he doesn't explain the most important part of it. But i agree that the Church right now is doing a bad job in explaining the doctrine and the faith to the people, thanks to those who do the job right. Bless you.
If purgatory is the "temporal" punishment of sins, why did we need Jesus to die on the cross? According to what is said, we still have to face the punishment ourselves to be sanctified, meaning that we are "sin free" or "edified" after the purgatorial punishments are paid (by us)... and can claim eternal live from that alone (since the sins have been made right). Something is amiss here. It is suggesting that Christ's death was not required. The wages of sin is death, meaning that the only way to rectify this is death.
And what would the temporal “punishments” even be? That’s not even said in the Bible as far as I know. It seems Jesus ultimate punishment is the atonement for all our sins. So idk what our punishment would even be if that were the case.
I just feel that there is so much mental gymnastics to satisfy Catholic tradition. In many aspects, it almost feels like their interpretation takes away the power of the blood of Jesus Christ.
When a doctor heals a sick child through medicine or surgery, does that take away from Gods power to heal? Of course not. Catholicism digs deep because Gods truth is deep.
I strongly disagree. Perhaps with a modern day bias attached, it can be seen as a lot to deal with, but it is not at all hard to understand. However, even if it was hard, the faith is not something that is supposed to be easy.
At 4:22, Alex references Revelation 21:27 to justify purgatory or purification process but it does not mention any such process. It only mention those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life will enter. And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.” Revelation 21:24-27 NKJV If Jesus’ blood did not purify us from the stain of sin, his work on the cross was incomplete.
Rev 21:27 shows that 'there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie', which means if human beings still sin at the moment of death, a process has to happen after death that causes that human to stop sinning for that person to be able to enter heaven. This process is purgatory, enabled only by the blood of Christ.
Wow @RuslanKD mentioned something and is going through what i was going through to i just couldn't comprehend, i prayed a lot i studied a lot asked a lot and thanks be GOD it was like a viel or blind fold being lifted away and the Holy Spirit let me understand what my Catholic brothers were saying. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Sounds like God's grace isn't "fully" imputed until you get to Heaven. 😳 Let's face it, if God's grace needs the works of our penance, its no grace at all. Partially imputed grace is what He's really preaching, when the smoke clears. Let's be honest, if Jesus' sacrifice doesn't fully cover our sin on Earth...what the heck is it covering?? God reckoned Abraham's FAITH as RIGHTEOUSNESS. This is all the more concerning Christ followers, who have been WASHED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. Roman Catholicism adds legalistic, poisoning washer fluid to the Blood! Cult. Ex Catholic here.
There's an error assuming grace is imputed and not infused. In the doctrine of imputed grace, justification is seen as a legal declaration by God, where a sinner is declared righteous without any inherent change in their soul. This is false and the type of legalism that Catholics get accused of, which is completely against God's character. God wants to be actually transformed not merely as be heaps of dung covered in Christ's righteousness, as Luther infamously says in Lectures on Galatians (1535). Grace is given or infused within us and works within the soul to sanctify and transform it, making it capable of responding to God and living a life of holiness. Examples, Romans 5:5, grace is poured into our hearts and the Holy Spirit's presence within transforms the believer's inner life and empowers them to live in alignment with God’s will. Under the view that grace is infused, we are made new as creations, 2 Cor 5:17. Infused grace is what brings about this transformation, enabling a person to live a life that reflects God’s holiness.
Its both imputed (for secure, final salvation) and infused ongoingly, for our Christ-like transformation here on Earth, for the purpose of doing His will (not to somehow contribute to our own salvation).
I'm using those descriptors in a strictly practical, literal sense. Denominations put the stink in distinctives. Try studying the Bible for yourself and ask the Holy Spirit's leading. He will!
@@JayDMac-n7n If you're not submitting yourself to a Church elder, you are disobeying God's commands spoken through the Bible. Hebrews 13:17, 1 Peter 5:1-5, specifically verse 5, we are commanded by God to submit ourselves to church elders. Which church elders do you submit to?
So, Jesus' death is not sufficient to cleanse us of all sin... we need purgatory to do that. Isn't Jesus's perfection imputed to us when we are saved? Are we not covered by His blood? Is His blood just the detergent, but we still have to go through the wash? Or does it truly cleanse us from all unrighteousness?
Ruslan, read the Didache if you haven’t already. It was written between 50-120 AD and it’s the earliest non-canonical writings chronicling the teachings of the 12 apostles. It illuminates the practices, teachings, and structure of the early Church.
I have to give credit to this Catholic because he knows the Word which is a rare thing. And I appreciate him giving a defense of his faith. The problem I have always had is that it is almost impossible to find a Catholic like this aside from a priest.
so, you're saying a gazillion of Prottys' denomiations know the Bible, regardless if their beliefs, interpretations, doctrines are contradictory, is a good thing? How is that unifying in the Body of Christ? You must live in a prejudice, biased, Protty-ful lens, bubble. Not impossible to find a Catholic that knows the FULL TRUTH of the Word, very, very possible to find numerous Protty HALF-TRUTHS of the Word.
@@essafats5728 I know the Bible. I am a non denominational Christian who was a Catholic until I read the Bible. So I am still surrounded by Catholics. The majority of my loved ones are Catholic and the majority of them don't read the Bible. Please pray for my family!
@@augietrujillo7860 non-denominational? So were you and your church there at the compilation and preservation of the Bible. Here you are, 21st century man thinking you know more and better than all those early Christians - Does that sound reasonable and logical? Oh plz, there are many, many Protestant pastors, that study and know their Bible, who converted to Catholicism - see Journey Home/Coming Home Network, Cordial Catholic, Catholic Recon, Pints with Aquinas, etc. So, my friend in the 2000yrs of Christianity's history, you don't have the cornerstone on the FULL TRUTH of God's Salvation plan for each one of us.
From an Anglican perspective, the problem we have with purgatory is not so much over being sanctified but the issue of temporal punishment. The forgiveness of sins in scripture removes all divine punishment. Forgiveness is not “sentence reduction”’ but a full pardon from The Lord. Hebrews 8:12: "For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins and their lawlessnesses no more Ps 103:12 12 as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us. Matth 18:21-35 This parable teaches that the Lord forgave this man’s huge debt by completely eliminating the debt and not reducing the debt
His explanation is what convinces me not to get caught up in the nuisances of Catholicism. Grace being hijacked to necessitate works is no longer grace by definition. Grace isn’t air in the tire that needs to keep being filled up. That was literally the sacrificial system that Hebrews was written to address. It makes me see that subtle asterisk on grace the same way I see ads for FREE* stuff online. Like: Jesus to the thief on the cross. ‘Truly today you will be with me in paradise*’? *A day of resting and waiting before your mandated punishment fees are paid. I see no such asterisk in Scripture. Which of my temporal sins was too extravagant that the sacred blood of Christ didn’t quite wash clean? The salvation Jesus brings in Scripture … and His grace clearly is not conditional on said strings.
John 14:21 brother. Sometimes it's hard for Protestants to understand where Catholic's come from because the minute you see any type of work, the thought immediately goes to that it somehow takes away from God's grace and awesomeness in saving us on the cross. All we're trying to say is that our faith is a LIVING BREATHING faith. Love, (as Christ showed on the cross) is an act of sacrifice and obedience to the Father. Our actions are a way to translate our faith into this world so that others may come to Christ and we ourselves are made holier and sanctified in doing them. Christ didn't just come down and do nothing. He healed the sick and tended to the poor. As disciples we are called to imitate that, as we follow the Commandments of the Lord. We can never do it our own, but our actions speak to the faith we already have.
What do you do with the letters to the Churches in Revelation speaking about purity and works? Or the Our Father and our daily bread? Sounds like CONSTANT daily reliance on grace. Not a "one and done" situation The thief on the cross has been addressed extensively from a Catholic perspective. ☺️
When Jesus died it stated that the accusations against us were nailed to the cross. So i believe that bodily death takes care of the "sin that is holding you " as the Catholic brother here asserts.
Purgatory would suggest that Christ's sacrifice did not pay for all sins. If He did in fact die once for all (all mankind and all sins), then any sins you commit whilst under the grace of Christ have already been paid for on the cross, and thus would not require ongoing payment by you for them. That does not mean that we should continue to actively live in sin (indeed we should actively try not to), but God's justice has already been dealt out on Christ for those who have been saved by grace through faith. We are already made perfect and are being made perfect through the Holy Spirit because of the sanctifying work that Christ did on the cross. There is no additional payment that must be made by us, as it would never be enough. This life is the closest to purgatory that Christian's will face, as we still feel the weight of sin as our bodies and minds decay. Now, we eagerly await Christ's return so that we might come fully into our salvation and be resurrected into new bodies and minds that do not suffer from the burden of sin. The Bible is clear that there is no additional punishment for those saved by Christ, as He already took all that punishment upon Himself. Now God disciplines us as a loving father, as He works to reshape and renew us through the work of the Holy Spirit. That disciplining is very different to the punishment that we deserve for our sin.
Im protestant but you're completely missing the point. Sin has both temporal and eternal consequences. If you have sex with 500 women and then become monogamous after changing your mind on sex, you can genuinely be married to a woman, but the effects of having sex with 500 remain. They don't just go away just because you changed your ways. Spiritually it's the same.
@@Iffmeister @SillyGooserton, I did not say that we are free from consequences, only that we are free from condemnation and punishment through Christ, as it says in Romans 8:1. Whilst we live in this world and are being made new by the renewing of our minds, there are still physical, psychological and spiritual consequences for the choices we make, and on Judgment Day we will be called to account for all the sins we have committed. However, those that are in Christ will have Christ intercede for them, as He died that they may live. Should we face any eternal consequences for our sin, it means we go to hell because Christ did not die for us. We still have to answer for our rebellion against God, but there is no further punishment for it as Christ paid it all. There is no Purgatory. You are either saved by grace through faith in Christ, and thus have Him intercede for you on Judgment Day, or you stand condemned.
@@JarredRidley " there is no further punishment for it as Christ paid it all" Can you support your statement with a single scripture because he just stated 2 Corinthians 5:10 , 1 Corinthians 3:11 -15 I will add Luke 12:47 "And that servant who knew his master 's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating"
@joyb8062 Romans 8:1 "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 4:23-25 - much as Abraham was credited with righteousness by faith, so are we through faith in Christ, who "was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification." Romans 5:18 "Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men." We will be judged by God according to our deeds in life, but Christ already received all of the punishment for those sins for the people who have their faith in Him. We are justified by faith in Christ, and there is no further punishment or condemnation to be made. If there were, we would be condemned to hell as that is what sin deserves. We don't deserve the grace of God, and He would be just in punishing us. But if He did punish us further, as is His right, that would undermine the sanctifying work of Christ's death and resurrection. That's the incredible thing about God's grace and mercy. He could, and would be right to, punish us further. But He won't, because He considers Christ's death to be enough for our justification. There is no further penitence or work I must do to be made right with God, even though I deserve it to be so, because Christ has done all the work. In the meantime, I am being conformed to the likeness of Christ through the work of the Holy Spirit. I certainly deserve far harsher punishment from God, but He is merciful, choosing instead to correct my path as a loving father does to his child. It does involve hard lessons and disciplining, but that is what I need to continue in His grace, and is far less than the punishment I deserve. As for Purgatory, there is no basis for its existence in the Bible. Those who die in Christ, sleep until His return. There is no ongoing torment for them until that time.
I also love Mary, but Jesus did not exalt His mother, this is shown when He said you are my mother and sister and brother if you obey Me. Don't get me wrong God must have loved Mary soo much that He blessed her with the gift of knowing Jesus better than anyone, but Jesus refers to her when he is speaking to her He says woman what does this have to do with Me?
Believe me, there is ALOT of significance in all of that. Scripture requires deep study. Genesis 1 and John 1 describe the seven days of creation. Genesis 1 depicts the beginning original creation, but John 1 depicts the beginning of "new" creation. The third day of the wedding of cana was the Seventh day of this new creation, where the start of Jesus' ministry was set in motion. Just as Eve invited Adam to partake in the first sin of eating the fruit. Mary invited Jesus to perform a miracle, which marks the beginning of His ministry to undo the fall of mankind. Mary is the new Eve. As God promised in Genesis 3, that God will put enmity between the woman and her offspring and the serpent. This enmity is act of setting apart, which was to enact his plan for salvation. Jesus is the new Adam, because through his obedience all become righteous in Him (Romans 5:14-18). And Mary is the new Eve, the new "mother of all the living" (Genesis 3:20). As you mention, we also know she is the new Eve because Jesus always refered to his mother as "woman" which was what Eve was originally called before she was named "Eve" after the fall. Also Isaiah 66 has a prophetic verse about a woman giving birth to a son...without birth pains. This is significant because all woman experience birth pains as a result of the fall, but Mary was free from this original sin, as the new Eve.
@aceswizzo8665 He meant exactly that. That all your sin debt has been paid in full. No distinction from spiritual or temporal as the video suggests. To suggest anything other than all of your debt being paid would diminish the finished work of Christ on the cross. The word tetelestai which is how it is captured in the Greek was also stamped on bills paid in full for a debt. No other payment being required. So, it is finished. All of it is paid in full which was the payment that satisfied the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and our Lord, Yeshua the Messiah.
@@bigfootapologeticsRespectfully, “Tetelestai” the Greek for “it is finished” would have meant much more than just His work on the cross or even the establishment of a new covenant. It meant that his mission of leaving Glory, putting on flesh, coming on a rescue mission, to do His Father’s will in reconciling those whom he predestined to be saved through the Salvation of His only Son was finished. The word was also a banking term to denote a debt being paid in full. Not partially. We know Christ’s death on the cross was the payment that satisfied God completely for all of our sin. I would argue not just a portion of our sin or it diminishes the finished work of Christ on the cross.
The cleansing blood was available to all, the powers had been defeated (losing their grip over the nations), time for Him to tell those held in deep darkness they lost, time to be raised and vindicated, be enthroned in Heaven, send His Spirit to build and fill His temple(s), time to start reclaiming the nations. Reclaiming the nations and transforming imagers into His likeness is a big task. Lots left to do, and He will do it.
8:45 I feel like St. Gregory of Nyssa has a far healthier and better view of Purgatory. It is there to purify us of evil in order to be unified with Christ. It is not there to punish you as a means of Justice, but rather to heal you and restore you to be with him. The West's obsession with the wrath and justice of God is so annoying. Make him out to be some petty man in the sky.
@@ItsThatGuy1989 exactly. People believe purgatory is like dante’s inferno, when it isn’t at all. A lot of evangelical scholars believe in purgatory as well, it’s not a strict catholic things.
Most Christians believe in some form of Purgatory. Either as a separate space from Heaven where a length of time must spent to purify your soul, or as an instantaneous act of spiritual purification where all of one’s wrong doing are burned away in cleansing of their soul. Outside of extra-biblical documents you will not find a definitive for any variation of the 2 stances.
[Col 1:22-23 ESV] 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
🔥1 Corinthians 3:13-15: 13 each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. Great conversation 🙏🏻❤️
1. 2 Maccabees 12:44-46 > “For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, so that they might be delivered from their sin.” This passage shows the practice of praying for the dead, implying that the dead can benefit from intercessory prayers-consistent with the concept of purgatory. --- 2. Matthew 12:32 > “And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.” Jesus implies that some sins can be forgiven in the age to come, suggesting a process of purification after death. --- 3. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 > “...each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” This passage describes a "testing by fire" that purifies a person’s deeds. While they are ultimately saved, they endure a process of cleansing, which aligns with the idea of purgatory. --- 4. Revelation 21:27 > “But nothing unclean will ever enter [heaven], nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.” Heaven requires complete purity. Purgatory is understood as the process through which the faithful who die in God’s grace but are not fully purified are made clean before entering heaven. --- 5. Hebrews 12:23 > “...and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect.” This verse speaks of the perfection of the souls of the righteous, which can be interpreted as a process of purification after death. --- Purgatory is not a second chance for salvation but a merciful purification for those who die in God’s grace but are not fully sanctified. The doctrine aligns with the biblical emphasis on God’s holiness and the need for human souls to be fully cleansed before entering His presence. LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED MORE.
I wish he would have unpacked the idea of how one can know they are in grace? he said through the sacs but what does that mean? on Sunday ik i am in grace but on monday i could be out of grace until i redo the sacs to get back into grace? I need that unpacked a bit.
You mean for the lost ! It’s not about religion, Jesus did not come to rub our sins in , he came to rub it out . If you are not Born again spiritually you have no salvation Eph 2:8-9 for it is by grace through faith we are saved it is a gift from God not works not of anything we can do. We can’t buy Salvation we can’t work for Salvation. It’s a gift from God so no one can boast..
@@amoyjoyce1117well Jesus started a church so I mean obviously there’s a correct way to follow him and incorrect ways. This “it’s not a religion it’s a relationship” is a cute bumper sticker but means nothing in reality.
@@benm27 yeah basically lol I mean that’s how Christ set up his church so yes. Follow the religion as Christ directed and you will have the relationship with Christ.
I actually like how Alex explained everything. I'm a Protestant and I have a number of friends who are catholic. Personally idc as long Jesus as described in the scriptures is whom we believe in and as long as we "sin less" - by the power of the Holy spirit.
The gift is the Holy Spirit his guarantee that we belong to Christ alone ! God prepared good works for us , he told me to go to the prison , I did fur 10 yrs , it was the best experience I have ever had see these prior come to know Jesus personally , the catholic teaching is way off the teaching the Catholic Church is very anti Bible !
Ironic, paul said the exact opposite, when you work you fall from grace “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” Galatians 5:4 KJV
So how do we reconcile with Hebrews 10: 14, "14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." In regards to judgement and the scripture in 2 Corinthians 5:10, if our sins (past, present, and future) was forgiven by the blood of Christ, why would he bring it back up? 1 Corinthians 13:10 Love keeps no record of wrongs. I think it contradicts scripture.
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If you actually listens to theological tones of Alex words it is deceptive to accommodate purgatory. He is not straightly saying Jesus salvation is not enough that is why you go to purgatory… he just don’t want to say that because it is clear in scripture. He can t articulate how purgatory relates to Jesus salvation
Even a bad thought is sin, so we all are going to purgatory 😂😂🤔🤯
passages that discuss not causing division or judgment over differing convictions in matters of faith and worship. A key passage addressing this is in Romans 14 (which isn't part of the Gospels but is a letter by Paul):
Romans 14:1-3:
“As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.”
Romans 14:5-6:
“One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.”
Romans 14:10-13:
“Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God... So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God.”
In these verses, Paul encourages believers not to argue over matters of personal conviction (such as dietary laws, observance of certain days, etc.), but instead to accept one another, as God has welcomed them. He highlights the importance of mutual respect and peace within the body of Christ, even when people have different practices or beliefs on non-essential matters.
This is very much about recognizing that people may serve and worship God in different ways, and that we shouldn't divide over these differences if they are rooted in sincere faith.
@bingjayjemi2819 I love you bro. Thank you. Why I need to read more, because "faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God"
As Fr. Mike Schmitz would say, "We are saved by Grace, through Faith, working itself out in Love."
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The great thing about this talk with Alex is that he biblically backs up every Catholic claim. Beautifully done, stellar guest and discussion.
He's using passages to support what the church teaches. That's different than establishing church doctrine from Scripture. Rather than Scripture being the pillar of support, it's a paintbrush to give a scriptural veneer to human tradition.
@ that’s kind of a round about way of saying that church teaching is biblical lol
@@vastalapasta9739 I’m Catholic, I agree with what you’re saying. Church teaching is biblical that’s a fact
Unfortunately the scriptures he quotes do not support his positions. He takes them out of context
@@Bolugggexplain to me where he takes a verse out of context
As a Catholic thank you Alex! Beautiful conversation
Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Romans 11:6 ESV
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
@gogglesostrich you didn’t watch the video obviously. Or you didn’t understand. As Catholics, we agree, but you can decide to deny God’s grace.
@@GogglesOstrich What are the "good works" that we do in Ephesians 2:10. Why does every protestant who uses Ephesians 2:8-9 leave out Ephesians 2:10 out?
Counsil of Trent
Canon 9: If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
Catholics do not preach salvation by God's grace alone
@@haronsmith8974 Ephesians 2:10 proves my point.
Ephesians 2:10 ESV
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
FOR good works, not BY. So faith produces good works, but good works do not obtain or maintain salvation
Hum that guy has a case 🤔 gave me something to think about when it comes to the purgatory. Great to see that men knows the Bible. And he listens to the objection carefully. That was a Nice conversation.
If you pursue the concept of purgatory with a sincerity, I think you will conclude, as I did, that it is both logical and biblically based.
The catholic understanding since day1 has been complete. It's only you protestants who are deliberately disobeying
No is not
@@jbm0745 Are you being sarcastic because it's nowhere mentioned in scripture
@orpheemulemo8053 Here’s a list of 10 things I put together for you of things and concepts, not “found” in the Bible. Take some time and look into each. You might be surprised what you find.
The Word Trinity
Sunday Worship
The Bible as the Final Authority
Worship Bands in Church
The Canon of Scripture
The Use of Wedding Rings
The Term “Personal Relationship with Jesus”
The Concept of Altar Calls
Non-Denominational Worship Style
The Division of the Old and New Testament
Alex is a fantastic catholic apologist. Very biblical. He had a strong debate against James White.
Converting to Catholicism this Easter! The most sound form of Christianity from my research 🔬 😍.
Same
The most sound form? Follow the Bible and leave the traditions of men behind. Religion will lead you to hell. Follow Yehova's law and Yeshua
just read the bible, why does people have to follow a certain "organization" me personally just believe in jesus and read the bible lol
@ because Jesus in the Bible said he will build his church on Peter. The church has lasted to this day and is Catholic one :). Pls, Catholic Church is very respectful of Jesus
@ so, your entire interpretation of the Bible is a man made one. Protestant is man made from the 16th century.
Catholicism chrisitnsity is from Jesus who made the church in his time and it has lasted ever since.
YES ALEX! This is why God gave us the sacraments, to communicate grace to the believer 👏👏👏
I love being Catholic
Should the Eastern Orthodox love being Eastern Orthodox?
As long as you BELIEVE in Jesus' FINISHED WORK upon the Cross for your sin debt taking the just punishment we deserve upon Himself, His burial in the Tomb, and resurrection on the third day in bodily form.
Put your faith and trust in Jesus Christ for your salvation alone.
Not on the Roman Catholic Church, Mary, patron of saints especially in rituals, religious observation, and performance of good works.
Based 🗿
So do I and love the Holy Mass, the sacraments and all the tools that our Lord gave us for the salvation of our soul inside the Roman Church.
I love that the God saved me from my sin and took me out of the world.
Really powerful and interesting conversation with Alex. his perspective of salvation was beautiful explained. God bless the Catholic Faith!
This interview with Alex is the most ive ever seen Ruslan press a Catholic. Ruslan keeps saying that the Catholic teachings aren’t scriptural or are radical but Alex is backing it up with scripture. I hope he begins to see the beauty of the faith.
It's tough for Protestants because in order to understand the Catholic faith better you have to understand the paradigm of thought behind it. For many Protestants, they can't ever get their mind out of Sola Scriptura so it is impossible to get where were coming from. In order to SEE us, you kind of have to die to yourself hard to really discover the beauty of the Catholic faith. Always with the Lord's grace of course.
@@riceninja051This is the best articulation I’ve seen of this observation ngl
It's wild that any Christian can argue against repentance. If that is the main theme of protestantism, I'm glad I'm Catholic.
If your parents gave you a car and you wreck it over and over, you're going to have to pay to fix it. That doesn't mean your parents hate you.
You mean when he keeps taking scripture out of context? Even Satan does that when he tried to tempt Jesus so don't think its a flex.
@ It wasn’t out of context my friend.
Brother Alex is doing exceptionally well.
This was a good back and forth dialogue! We need more of this to help us love each other more as brothers! We’re brothers in Christ!
Alex out here educating everyone on the Truth of The Catholic Church ♥️
people just can't get over the idea of Purgatory is NOT a place, its a purification process.
Purgatory is not of Christian orign. Change my mind.
@@AchievingPeakWellnessread that wrong 🤦😂
@@AchievingPeakWellness I can't make someone believe that we to be purified to enter God's kingdom I leave that to the holy Spirit. Also who cares if you need to identify it or not, we all agree if you repent and live in friendship in Christ you are saved so why try to name and be worried about the transition process there is no spiritual fruit in it. Catholics just believe they need to work on correcting wrongs they may do while being assured Christ has saved their eternal soul.
@@roman727 Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be present with Christ. If purgatory is not a place but a purification process like you said then where does this purification process happen after we die?
What Bible verse says that?
You don’t have to become perfect to go to Heaven, you have to become perfect to be in Heaven
@@Psalm34rws wrong
He says that pergatory is "God's love purifying you" and at minute 14 says " you can die in grace but that doesn't mean you are perfectly clean." That is the false presupposition that must be accepted for catholic theology to work. It is a presupposition that is wrong and undermines the gospel. The scripture says " he made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf so that we might become the righteousness of God in him" Catholics are basically saying that the perfect obedience of Jesus as a man was not good enough and must be supplemented with the church's sacraments as well as their ordained mediators/intercessors like Mary, who gave birth to Jesus' siblings.
To add even more insult they redefine grace as "unconditional unmerited favor from God" that is conditional on merit earned from the sacraments. What a contradiction.
The gift of salvation is not dependent on anything we do or will do and is only received by humble repentance and faith in Jesus who lived, died and resurrected perfectly on our behalf so that when we do die we are perfectly clean because we are in him "For what does the Scripture say? 'Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.' Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness." Romans 4:3-5
Could death be purifying?
God does it for you has a gift along the gift of eternity with him because we are not even 100% holy pure even when we try to not sin
@ just a ton of problems here. Let's start with your false assessment of the Catholic presupposition.
We fully affirm that He who knew no sin took on sin on our behalf that we may become the righteousness of God in him. Purgatory does not contradict this at all. Thus you are setting up a false dichotomy.
To your point about grace. The sacraments or asking for the saints intercession or confessing to a priest are not things we do to merit grace. They are the ordinary means God uses to bestow his favour upon us. They are a gift he has given us, not something we do to put God in our debt. So your quote of Roman's isn't relevant to Catholic beliefs about the sacraments.
"The gift of God is not dependent on anything we do and is only received by humble repentance and faith in Jesus." This is actually just a contradiction. If grace is not dependent on ANYTHING we do. Then why would I need to come to Him in humble repentance? If you are saying we can only do that by the grace of God then this is the Catholic position on the sacrament of baptism. Neither are works we do, but rather how we respond to God's invitation to be in His friendship.
Remember, if you want to know what Jesus's Church actually teaches, you can buy a catechism at any Catholic bookstore for super cheap. Then you won't be making statements where it shows you don't know much about Catholic teaching.
A wise man once said to me;
"It's a shame the church is so divided, what we need is a union of the faith and the fire of a protestant, and the apostolic church combined. The church needs fire and boldness in the faith. He is our King of kings and our Lord of lords, confide in Him and He will lead."
I found that beautifull.
Ex Protestant, now Catholic!
Hopefully you become an ex-Catholic next and drop religion and actually have a relationship with Jesus Christ…
@@ryangraham7012I hate to break it to you bud but Religion and Relationship are not mutually exclusive. In fact they're quite complimentary.
@@dominicewing8940 So if I read the Bible believing every word pray and only worship Jesus Christ and try my best to turn for my sins and when I fall short I repent what religion am I?
This is one of the better videos I've seen on here. I like it alot
If not for the Catholic teaching everything becomes subjective. Like Ruslan's points of view are all up to what he 'thinks' and 'sees' in scripture. Hence no order or authority and thousands of protestants denomination.
His questions aren’t opinions it’s in scripture like when the apostles died they go to purgatory
@@aceswizzo8665it’s is his opinion because there no unity between all Protestant denominations on those beliefs.
This is the problem of Protestantism. Ultimately scripture is boiled down to personal interpretation and opinion.
Yes yes yes! All Protestant denominations are purely subjective not objective truth that Jesus established on earth with Peter’s apostolic succession
What do you think the Holy Spirit is???
Excellent interview. Thank you for your work Ruslan.
I'm a Catholic and I'm generally pretty hard on Alex but I think he did an excellent job here. Thank you Alex! 🙏
Alex explains things so well!
That doesn’t make them true
@ Says who, you?🤭
@@GizelleJane2012 says logic
@@KelvinBautista-d8n 😂 ok.
Your “logic” of scripture is your opinion.
The problem with Protestantism is ultimately it’s based on personal opinion.
Ruslan with the interviews we need & want to hear ! God Bless !
It really does make sense because your soul has attachment to sin so something needs to happen to you so that you won’t sin in heaven with our free will.
It says in the Bible that that will happen, that we will be changed in an instant though, not over time. That our souls want to serve God when we give our lives to Him and He makes us new, but our _flesh_ is what is tempted and sins. So when we are reunited with our Bodies, we are changed in an instant and made like Christ.
Something did happen. It was called Jesus' blood.
Purgatory is so logical and very much biblically based.
“Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.”
Romans 8:30
Purgatory is nowhere taught in the NT
Refreshing to see a civil discussion on this topic 👏🏾
I recomend to everyone to study Didache, Ignaious of Antiochia and others pre-Niceen christians
Did that bring you closer or driver you further away from the modern Roman Catholic view? I’ve just started reading the early Church writings and I’m curious what your experience has been
@@budpalerson thats why in roman Catholic, i read this!
What voice of reason said about the thief on the cross was beautiful
But not at all scriptural.
Bruh there is nothing in the context talking about what that guy is saying
Eisegeizing the verses to his own destruction
@@soluscristus1 he literally quoted scripture. Did you ignore that part?
Guys we can say sweet things relax please
Such a great respectful video! God bless you both!!
JESUS is the way the truth the life dear family 🕊️🔥
This is absolutely outstanding.
Catholic here, I think Ruslan is throwing valid and excellent questions. Wonderful 🎉
"I just don't see that in scripture".... Alex proceeds to show him everything in scripture.
You understand that scriptures can easily be manipulated to fit your agenda ??
The main core doctrines yes, but not purgatory, or Jesus’ blood and water spilling on the thief on the cross. That is stretching the Scripture to fit an idea.
@@ryangraham7012 that’s exactly why the magisterium of the church is needed for correct interpretation of scripture. Thank you for pointing that out
@@neo-soul7779 he said that view was ONLY speculation
Context is always key. It's one interpretation. However there is a problem. If purgatory is the "temporal" punishment of sins, why did we need Jesus to die on the cross? According to what is said, we still have to face the punishment ourselves to be sanctified, meaning that we are "sin free" or "edified" after the purgatorial punishments are paid (by us)... and can claim eternal live from that alone (since the sins have been made right). Something is amiss here. It is suggesting that Christ's death was not required.
Im Catholic and I’m learning a lot from this
As an Orthodox Catechumen, we don’t say we’re saved as an act of humbleness and allowing God to be the one who decides who is saved and who is not. We do affirm what the bible says about salvation however ultimately it is the Lord who decides who is saved. I.E. many will say Lord Lord didn’t we do this in your name and didn’t we do that in your name but I will say depart from me I never knew him. It is ultimately Gods decision to discern and pick the saved. hope that makes sense!
wouldn't, that kind of be like predestination? ive always seen salvation as God giving the gift and then one can choose to deny it or not. salvation being a work of God and the person in question to be saved
@ no it’s not predestination, because that means we can’t do anything about our salvation. Like I mentioned we don’t say we’re saved as an act of humbleness and trying not to judge ourselves or others. We do keep to the pretense of how to be saved through the word of Christ however, we are actively working out or salvation because we believe that salvation can be lost. So in a sense I was saved yesterday, I’m working on my salvation today and tomorrow I pray I will be saved. Does that make a little bit more sense or could I explain it a little better?
@@aaronvivar2819 this is flat out wrong. The Bible states what needs to occur to be saved.
1) Believe that Jesus is the Son of God
2) Cry out to the Lord for forgiveness and acceptance. Pray for the baptism of fire (The outpouring of the Holy Spirit)
3) Repent of your sinful ways. Aka turn from sin, acknowledge that sin nature is evil/wrong and that God's decrees are righteous and follow Jesus's way
We literally need to have faith and trust that Yeshua is who he says He is and this is the work of God (to accept His son).
If you break it down even more simply, being saved is essentially agreeing with Our Father in Heaven (that he indeed sent his Son and that His son is the only way to eternal life)
@ let me reiterate what I said so it makes more sense to you. We practice our salvation daily and humbly state that. We understand what the Bible says about salvation and practice what it says. I.E repenting and trying to be close to sinless as we can be on this side of heaven. Does that make sense to you?
@@aaronvivar2819 @aaronvivar2819 thats not what we are discussing. My response above is directed towards your comment of "we don't say we are saved out of humbleness."
That is not only wrong but completely derails the Gospel.
Non-believers will ask, "How do you know you are saved?"
Catholics would say (according to your above comment) "Well we dont actually know we just hope God does choose to save us" (which is oddly a more predestination/Calvinist belief).
Sorry that isn't going to fly, even non believers can see the illogical nature of that statement.
Alex is great he accurate explains the Catholic position and corrects any straw man’s arguments against our faith.
And he backs it up with scripture because for many non Catholics if you don’t quote scripture they won’t even listen to you.
Wow I learned something new. I’ve never heard it explained this way and it makes sense.
New means it is not of the bible.
Be ye warned.
Fantastic point of view. Seriously. I have had a ridiculously hard time not thinking that I am listening to Rocky Balboa, though. Also, a man of honor.
I've watched this video twice because the conversation is amazing. I'm seriously struggling over dude's voice, though. I'm sorry. I genuinely am not trying to upset anyone. He is incredibly smart and well versed. He just sounds like a seventh grader trying to have a manly voice. Again, I am sorry...
Catholicism, my beautiful religion!♥️✨
We need to elevate Jesus, not the denomination.
@ First off, Catholicism is not a denomination. It’s the common denominator.
JESUS is literally present in the Catholic Church. That’s why I love catholicism so much because no other religion has Jesus like we do.😊
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@@GizelleJane2012 Catholicism keeps Jesus on the Cross, why is that? It always strikes me as sacrilegious because he is no longer on the cross.
@@GizelleJane2012it is high key a denomination. Too many plot holes with Catholicism.
Teachings of the Church founded by Jesus Christ and spread by his apostles existing for 2000 years vs teachings invented by some 16th century German rebel that nobody believed before that. It really isn't that difficult to figure out who's right.
What did the Catholic Church have after Martin Luther? They had reformation…which addressed internal corruption , clarified Catholic doctrine, and addressed abuses within the Catholic Church. Council of Trent 1545-1563. Things took awhile back then. I guess cause they didn’t have internet back then..lol
But didn’t the church add dogmas years later later I believe the apostle themselves did not teach
Most of RCC teachings came after Martin Luther, some even only in the 20th century.
The teachings and practice were always there. There just became a need to define these dogmas with all there heresies starting to arise after the Reformation.
After 100 AD Roman Catholicism corrupted everything
He says that pergatory is "God's love purifying you" and at minute 14 says " you can die in grace but that doesn't mean you are perfectly clean." That is the false presupposition that must be accepted for catholic theology to work. It is a presupposition that is wrong and undermines the gospel. The scripture says " he made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf so that we might become the righteousness of God in him" Catholics are basically saying that the perfect obedience of Jesus as a man was not good enough and must be supplemented with the church's sacraments as well as their ordained mediators/intercessors like Mary, who gave birth to Jesus' siblings.
To add even more insult they redefine grace as "unconditional unmerited favor from God" that is conditional on merit earned from the sacraments. What a contradiction.
The gift of salvation is not dependent on anything we do or will do and is only received by humble repentance and faith in Jesus who lived, died and resurrected perfectly on our behalf so that when we do die we are perfectly clean because we are in him "For what does the Scripture say? 'Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.' Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness." Romans 4:3-5
Modern Catholic Dictionary:
"The place or condition in which the souls of the just are purified after death and before they can enter heaven... The souls are certainly purified by atoning for the temporal punishments due to sin by their willing acceptance of suffering imposed by God"
Agrree brother, according to official catholic teaching, the one who atoned for sins in ourgatory is us. That for sure. So logically speaking: our salvation is our atonement and Jesus atonement. Our works + jesus works. Let alone sacramanets and rituals related to this idea, such as treasury of merit, indulgences, repeating hail mary grants you 200 days of reduce time in purgatory. Crazy. Alex here is not being completely honest about what RC believes on purgatory.
One thing to add, Orthodox and protestants disagrees on so many things, but on this one they completely in aggreement. Watch kyle ( orthodox convert from RC) video on this topic.
Thanks this answers a lot of my questions🙌🏽🔥
I’m Catholic and I focus on Jesus only!
I’m Catholic and I do the same when I pray through the saints ❤
@@vman9347 if you are a follower of Christ, then why not just pray directly to Him?? He lives to intercede for us always, as the book of Hebrews tells us…
@ That’s like saying if a friend ask u to pray for him, would you respond by saying
“Why are u asking me? Pray to him urself”
No you wouldn’t because you know you can intercede for him. That your prayers like it says in the book of James that the prayers of a righteous person is powerful.
Same thing for the saints. They are made perfect by god and we don’t see them as dead.
Because how can u be “dead” is ur literally in the presence of god? You’re at a higher level of existence than us. So of course there prayers for us are stronger than our own prayers.
But know this the Catholic Church says you can do both. I pray to Jesus almost all the time, but I will occasionally ask for intercessory prayer as well.
It’s both not either or.
@ we are spiritually alive, but not physically or humanly alive rather, when we go to heaven. The scripture you are referring to in James is literally a letter that he wrote to human beings that were alive on planet earth. Catholics twist and warp scripture to support catholic dogma and traditions.
Why did Saul get rebuked when he tried to communicate with Samuel after the prophet had died?
@@vman9347 it’s more like if you died and your friend prayed to you and asked you to ask God for him, rather than praying to God yourself.
“In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.”
John 16:26-27
Thank you for being well balanced enough to have representation of traditions that doffer from yours Ruslan. Youre proving yourself to be theologically fare. Blessongs ✝️
Christ did everything necessary to save you from sin and death through his blood shed on the cross. There is nothing else that needs to be done for your salvation. No covenant, no law, no deed, no baptism, no prayer, nothing. Simply trust this provision on your guilty behalf.
Do you need to believe in Jesus to be saved?
Also what translation of the Bible can I use, that you will accept?
Great lessons from Alex thanks for brining him up
"30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." - Acts 16:30-31 kjv
Jesus makes no mention of faith in this verse from Matthew. But he clearly does mention faith in others. So it’s not either/or, it’s both. We must have faith in Christ AND avoid the mortal sins that he explicitly lists. “And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?” And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.” He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.””
Matthew 19:16-19 RSV
@@OmgKyo "good teacher, what must i do to gain eternal life?"
"If you wish to enter life, keep the commandments" - Jesus (MT 16:16 and following..)
@@JenniferMcMann way to take a verse out of context..
Thank you Ruslan for doing this discussion love to see 2 brothers in Christ discussing there differences.
7:47 no you do not get holier every time you do something good. We are not saved by works. This is works based salvation. Any and all good things that come out of me and you is an overflow response or the work of the Holy Spirit. I can’t boast or even believe that my works is what makes me holy.
Exactly. Our good works are His works acted through us. No one is good except the Father.
I’m reminded of an old man at my church growing up complaining about parents paying their kids to do chores.
He said, “Why are they paying them for what they are supposed to do? Their reward is my love, pride in them, and getting to live in my house.”
This spoke to me on spiritual level even though he wasn’t speaking scripturally.
@@Isaiah88p holy≠gain or being worthy to get salvation, being holy means living in a way that pleases God, doing good, and following His rules. We want to being holy doesn't mean we want to gain salvation by our own, but being holy is that we can maintain a close relationship with God.
Truly grateful for brother Alex explaining so simplistic yet very deep and interesting. Makes me wanna become Catholic. Wished I knew more Catholics like himself.
Thanks Ruslan for giving Alex the time to explain Catholic teaching and for trying to understand where Catholics are coming from. I really am enjoying this videos.
Thanks for posting this! Peace and Love to you all!
“Now to the one who works, his wages are NOT counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,”
Romans 4:4-5 ESV
“But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.”
Romans 11:6 ESV
We’re not saved by grace if you have to do works to obtain or keep it. If that were so grace would not be grace it would mean salvation is earned wages. And if salvation is earned wages, we have something to boast about.
No the point is there is NOTHING to boast about, not that you shouldnt do good works, its that you CANT take credit for them or do them just to be saved. They must be done out of love for God and all of his creation.
@@stratmatt22 what do you think is the point of Romans 4:4-5
Amen. If we do works, it's because you are now saved at the start of the race.
It's not "Do works first and maintain in works, you'll start receiving grace THEN IN TIME you get salvation because of your works."
No it's " If you do receive salvation, you'll immediately be in grace. After that, NOW START doing works and maintain BECAUSE you at the start are now saved"
This was awesome!
Evangelicalism and Liberalism. Both share the same foundational principle of building a system around the exceptions to the rules.
😂😂 there’s much liberalism in Catholic Church too I’ve seen and experienced it
@ Brother, no one’s made any argument regarding the levels and magnitude of liberalism in any denomination. The point went way over your head
It’s SO draining to hear Protestants’ fallacies…
@@mma-jmu 😂😂😂😂🤷♂️
Also The grace and Love of God is what draws us to desire to Act/Do what God Desires. Its not we do something Good and then we receive the love of God.
It's the realization that God really loves you that makes it extremely easy to want to do anything He is pleased by. It wasn't for the initial experience of who he is none of us would truly be truly encouraged to return to Him.
Welcome to the Catholic position. Glad to have you.
When i listen to this it is like they both agree to like nearly everything but the way Ruslan reacts is like he does not understand it despite agreeing with it. To be fair to him church doctrine is difficult it wasn't written to be easy but to be the way things have been reavealed to the church.
They agree on core Christian foundations, but the disagreement is with the man made works of the Catholic church.
@AchievingPeakWellness by that you mean that wrong understanding that the Catholic Church teaches that works save or something else?
@@AchievingPeakWellness Can't you give examples of man made works? We believe you can't work your way to salvation. Our faith is a working faith , meaning you believe in Jesus and following his commandments. Love God with all your heart, soul and mind. Love your neighbor as yourself. Those are works of love that come from God and pleases him.
The main doctrines it seems Catholics and Protestants agree. Why we Protestants have a disconnect is because it seems Catholics add on different stuff that just isn’t necessary, or it seems they stretch certain Scriptures to make a whole extra element from it. Like based on the convo here, we all seem to agree that we are saved by faith in Jesus’ sacrifice alone, but somehow Catholics get to purgatory, where there is nothing in the Bible that paints that picture. Same thing with the whole idea of Mary. We all agree that she is blessed amongst all women, and deserves great respect, but Catholics then take that and stretch it to mean she is the queen of Heaven, and almost put too much attention to her. Seems like a distraction sometimes.
@@neo-soul7779 i would say the passages that are brought up show purgatory quite well or at least what purgatory is the proceess of "burning" away what is unclean in us at the moment of our death the "time" in purgatory is different from our perception of it since haven/hell/purgatory are outside of time. About our Holy Mother She is the one who brought Jesus into this world but after that it was Her who kept bringing people to God. I don't know if you read/watched the whole story of Our Lady of Guadelupe somewhere, in the video he doesn't explain the most important part of it. But i agree that the Church right now is doing a bad job in explaining the doctrine and the faith to the people, thanks to those who do the job right. Bless you.
If purgatory is the "temporal" punishment of sins, why did we need Jesus to die on the cross? According to what is said, we still have to face the punishment ourselves to be sanctified, meaning that we are "sin free" or "edified" after the purgatorial punishments are paid (by us)... and can claim eternal live from that alone (since the sins have been made right). Something is amiss here. It is suggesting that Christ's death was not required. The wages of sin is death, meaning that the only way to rectify this is death.
And what would the temporal “punishments” even be? That’s not even said in the Bible as far as I know. It seems Jesus ultimate punishment is the atonement for all our sins. So idk what our punishment would even be if that were the case.
I just feel that there is so much mental gymnastics to satisfy Catholic tradition. In many aspects, it almost feels like their interpretation takes away the power of the blood of Jesus Christ.
Ding ding ding
Its the OG Church fam, maybe you're the one not seeing the full picture
When a doctor heals a sick child through medicine or surgery, does that take away from Gods power to heal? Of course not.
Catholicism digs deep because Gods truth is deep.
You got it
I strongly disagree. Perhaps with a modern day bias attached, it can be seen as a lot to deal with, but it is not at all hard to understand. However, even if it was hard, the faith is not something that is supposed to be easy.
Amazing thank you voice of reason God bless 🙏🏽
If we still have to be punished for our sins, then we aren't forgiven. That's why the topic of purgatory doesn't add up to me.
not being punished, being purified - not the same thing
That means the Hebrew passage is wrong?
Helpful to hear the conversation to understand the differences between both positions
At 4:22, Alex references Revelation 21:27 to justify purgatory or purification process but it does not mention any such process. It only mention those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life will enter.
And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.
27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.”
Revelation 21:24-27 NKJV
If Jesus’ blood did not purify us from the stain of sin, his work on the cross was incomplete.
Rev 21:27 shows that 'there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie', which means if human beings still sin at the moment of death, a process has to happen after death that causes that human to stop sinning for that person to be able to enter heaven. This process is purgatory, enabled only by the blood of Christ.
Wow @RuslanKD mentioned something and is going through what i was going through to i just couldn't comprehend, i prayed a lot i studied a lot asked a lot and thanks be GOD it was like a viel or blind fold being lifted away and the Holy Spirit let me understand what my Catholic brothers were saying. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Sounds like God's grace isn't "fully" imputed until you get to Heaven. 😳
Let's face it, if God's grace needs the works of our penance, its no grace at all. Partially imputed grace is what He's really preaching, when the smoke clears.
Let's be honest, if Jesus' sacrifice doesn't fully cover our sin on Earth...what the heck is it covering??
God reckoned Abraham's FAITH as RIGHTEOUSNESS. This is all the more concerning Christ followers, who have been WASHED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB. Roman Catholicism adds legalistic, poisoning washer fluid to the Blood!
Cult. Ex Catholic here.
There's an error assuming grace is imputed and not infused.
In the doctrine of imputed grace, justification is seen as a legal declaration by God, where a sinner is declared righteous without any inherent change in their soul. This is false and the type of legalism that Catholics get accused of, which is completely against God's character.
God wants to be actually transformed not merely as be heaps of dung covered in Christ's righteousness, as Luther infamously says in Lectures on Galatians (1535).
Grace is given or infused within us and works within the soul to sanctify and transform it, making it capable of responding to God and living a life of holiness. Examples, Romans 5:5, grace is poured into our hearts and the Holy Spirit's presence within transforms the believer's inner life and empowers them to live in alignment with God’s will.
Under the view that grace is infused, we are made new as creations, 2 Cor 5:17. Infused grace is what brings about this transformation, enabling a person to live a life that reflects God’s holiness.
Its both imputed (for secure, final salvation) and infused ongoingly, for our Christ-like transformation here on Earth, for the purpose of doing His will (not to somehow contribute to our own salvation).
@@JayDMac-n7n What Protestant denomination teaches both imputed and infused grace?
I'm using those descriptors in a strictly practical, literal sense. Denominations put the stink in distinctives. Try studying the Bible for yourself and ask the Holy Spirit's leading. He will!
@@JayDMac-n7n If you're not submitting yourself to a Church elder, you are disobeying God's commands spoken through the Bible.
Hebrews 13:17, 1 Peter 5:1-5, specifically verse 5, we are commanded by God to submit ourselves to church elders. Which church elders do you submit to?
So, Jesus' death is not sufficient to cleanse us of all sin... we need purgatory to do that.
Isn't Jesus's perfection imputed to us when we are saved? Are we not covered by His blood?
Is His blood just the detergent, but we still have to go through the wash? Or does it truly cleanse us from all unrighteousness?
Ruslan, read the Didache if you haven’t already. It was written between 50-120 AD and it’s the earliest non-canonical writings chronicling the teachings of the 12 apostles. It illuminates the practices, teachings, and structure of the early Church.
I have to give credit to this Catholic because he knows the Word which is a rare thing. And I appreciate him giving a defense of his faith. The problem I have always had is that it is almost impossible to find a Catholic like this aside from a priest.
so, you're saying a gazillion of Prottys' denomiations know the Bible, regardless if their beliefs, interpretations, doctrines are contradictory, is a good thing? How is that unifying in the Body of Christ?
You must live in a prejudice, biased, Protty-ful lens, bubble. Not impossible to find a Catholic that knows the FULL TRUTH of the Word, very, very possible to find numerous Protty HALF-TRUTHS of the Word.
@@essafats5728calm down.
He twisted verses
@@essafats5728 I know the Bible. I am a non denominational Christian who was a Catholic until I read the Bible. So I am still surrounded by Catholics. The majority of my loved ones are Catholic and the majority of them don't read the Bible. Please pray for my family!
@@augietrujillo7860 non-denominational? So were you and your church there at the compilation and preservation of the Bible. Here you are, 21st century man thinking you know more and better than all those early Christians - Does that sound reasonable and logical?
Oh plz, there are many, many Protestant pastors, that study and know their Bible, who converted to Catholicism - see Journey Home/Coming Home Network, Cordial Catholic, Catholic Recon, Pints with Aquinas, etc.
So, my friend in the 2000yrs of Christianity's history, you don't have the cornerstone on the FULL TRUTH of God's Salvation plan for each one of us.
From an Anglican perspective, the problem we have with purgatory is not so much over being sanctified but the issue of temporal punishment. The forgiveness of sins in scripture removes all divine punishment.
Forgiveness is not “sentence reduction”’ but a full pardon from
The Lord.
Hebrews 8:12: "For I will forgive their iniquities and will remember their sins and their lawlessnesses no more
Ps 103:12
12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
Matth 18:21-35 This parable teaches that the Lord forgave this man’s huge debt by completely eliminating the debt and not reducing the debt
1 Cor 3:12-15, will all our works be tested by fire?
His explanation is what convinces me not to get caught up in the nuisances of Catholicism. Grace being hijacked to necessitate works is no longer grace by definition. Grace isn’t air in the tire that needs to keep being filled up. That was literally the sacrificial system that Hebrews was written to address.
It makes me see that subtle asterisk on grace the same way I see ads for FREE* stuff online.
Like: Jesus to the thief on the cross. ‘Truly today you will be with me in paradise*’?
*A day of resting and waiting before your mandated punishment fees are paid.
I see no such asterisk in Scripture.
Which of my temporal sins was too extravagant that the sacred blood of Christ didn’t quite wash clean?
The salvation Jesus brings in Scripture … and His grace clearly is not conditional on said strings.
John 14:21 brother. Sometimes it's hard for Protestants to understand where Catholic's come from because the minute you see any type of work, the thought immediately goes to that it somehow takes away from God's grace and awesomeness in saving us on the cross. All we're trying to say is that our faith is a LIVING BREATHING faith. Love, (as Christ showed on the cross) is an act of sacrifice and obedience to the Father. Our actions are a way to translate our faith into this world so that others may come to Christ and we ourselves are made holier and sanctified in doing them. Christ didn't just come down and do nothing. He healed the sick and tended to the poor. As disciples we are called to imitate that, as we follow the Commandments of the Lord. We can never do it our own, but our actions speak to the faith we already have.
What do you do with the letters to the Churches in Revelation speaking about purity and works?
Or the Our Father and our daily bread? Sounds like CONSTANT daily reliance on grace. Not a "one and done" situation
The thief on the cross has been addressed extensively from a Catholic perspective. ☺️
This video is gold.
When Jesus died it stated that the accusations against us were nailed to the cross. So i believe that bodily death takes care of the "sin that is holding you " as the Catholic brother here asserts.
Jesus Died and Conquered original sin,
the Personal sins are to be taken care of by the Grace through the Sacraments
@Akhgy temporal judgement deals with temporal sin.
Purgatory is a process of purification, not a place
Purgatory would suggest that Christ's sacrifice did not pay for all sins. If He did in fact die once for all (all mankind and all sins), then any sins you commit whilst under the grace of Christ have already been paid for on the cross, and thus would not require ongoing payment by you for them. That does not mean that we should continue to actively live in sin (indeed we should actively try not to), but God's justice has already been dealt out on Christ for those who have been saved by grace through faith. We are already made perfect and are being made perfect through the Holy Spirit because of the sanctifying work that Christ did on the cross. There is no additional payment that must be made by us, as it would never be enough. This life is the closest to purgatory that Christian's will face, as we still feel the weight of sin as our bodies and minds decay. Now, we eagerly await Christ's return so that we might come fully into our salvation and be resurrected into new bodies and minds that do not suffer from the burden of sin. The Bible is clear that there is no additional punishment for those saved by Christ, as He already took all that punishment upon Himself. Now God disciplines us as a loving father, as He works to reshape and renew us through the work of the Holy Spirit. That disciplining is very different to the punishment that we deserve for our sin.
So you don’t believe Scripture. Second Corinthians 5:10 completely contradicts your statement.
Im protestant but you're completely missing the point. Sin has both temporal and eternal consequences. If you have sex with 500 women and then become monogamous after changing your mind on sex, you can genuinely be married to a woman, but the effects of having sex with 500 remain. They don't just go away just because you changed your ways. Spiritually it's the same.
@@Iffmeister @SillyGooserton, I did not say that we are free from consequences, only that we are free from condemnation and punishment through Christ, as it says in Romans 8:1. Whilst we live in this world and are being made new by the renewing of our minds, there are still physical, psychological and spiritual consequences for the choices we make, and on Judgment Day we will be called to account for all the sins we have committed. However, those that are in Christ will have Christ intercede for them, as He died that they may live. Should we face any eternal consequences for our sin, it means we go to hell because Christ did not die for us. We still have to answer for our rebellion against God, but there is no further punishment for it as Christ paid it all. There is no Purgatory. You are either saved by grace through faith in Christ, and thus have Him intercede for you on Judgment Day, or you stand condemned.
@@JarredRidley " there is no further punishment for it as Christ paid it all" Can you support your statement with a single scripture because he just stated 2 Corinthians 5:10 , 1 Corinthians 3:11 -15 I will add Luke 12:47 "And that servant who knew his master 's will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating"
@joyb8062 Romans 8:1 "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death."
Romans 4:23-25 - much as Abraham was credited with righteousness by faith, so are we through faith in Christ, who "was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification."
Romans 5:18 "Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men."
We will be judged by God according to our deeds in life, but Christ already received all of the punishment for those sins for the people who have their faith in Him. We are justified by faith in Christ, and there is no further punishment or condemnation to be made. If there were, we would be condemned to hell as that is what sin deserves. We don't deserve the grace of God, and He would be just in punishing us. But if He did punish us further, as is His right, that would undermine the sanctifying work of Christ's death and resurrection. That's the incredible thing about God's grace and mercy. He could, and would be right to, punish us further. But He won't, because He considers Christ's death to be enough for our justification. There is no further penitence or work I must do to be made right with God, even though I deserve it to be so, because Christ has done all the work. In the meantime, I am being conformed to the likeness of Christ through the work of the Holy Spirit. I certainly deserve far harsher punishment from God, but He is merciful, choosing instead to correct my path as a loving father does to his child. It does involve hard lessons and disciplining, but that is what I need to continue in His grace, and is far less than the punishment I deserve.
As for Purgatory, there is no basis for its existence in the Bible. Those who die in Christ, sleep until His return. There is no ongoing torment for them until that time.
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I also love Mary, but Jesus did not exalt His mother, this is shown when He said you are my mother and sister and brother if you obey Me. Don't get me wrong God must have loved Mary soo much that He blessed her with the gift of knowing Jesus better than anyone, but Jesus refers to her when he is speaking to her He says woman what does this have to do with Me?
Believe me, there is ALOT of significance in all of that. Scripture requires deep study.
Genesis 1 and John 1 describe the seven days of creation. Genesis 1 depicts the beginning original creation, but John 1 depicts the beginning of "new" creation.
The third day of the wedding of cana was the Seventh day of this new creation, where the start of Jesus' ministry was set in motion. Just as Eve invited Adam to partake in the first sin of eating the fruit. Mary invited Jesus to perform a miracle, which marks the beginning of His ministry to undo the fall of mankind. Mary is the new Eve.
As God promised in Genesis 3, that God will put enmity between the woman and her offspring and the serpent. This enmity is act of setting apart, which was to enact his plan for salvation. Jesus is the new Adam, because through his obedience all become righteous in Him (Romans 5:14-18). And Mary is the new Eve, the new "mother of all the living" (Genesis 3:20). As you mention, we also know she is the new Eve because Jesus always refered to his mother as "woman" which was what Eve was originally called before she was named "Eve" after the fall.
Also Isaiah 66 has a prophetic verse about a woman giving birth to a son...without birth pains. This is significant because all woman experience birth pains as a result of the fall, but Mary was free from this original sin, as the new Eve.
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When Christ said it is finished what did he mean?
He meant that His work on the cross was finished. We could also say that the Old Covenant was finished in that moment as well.
I think it meant all sins have been forgiven past present and future. Take care
@aceswizzo8665 He meant exactly that. That all your sin debt has been paid in full. No distinction from spiritual or temporal as the video suggests. To suggest anything other than all of your debt being paid would diminish the finished work of Christ on the cross. The word tetelestai which is how it is captured in the Greek was also stamped on bills paid in full for a debt. No other payment being required. So, it is finished. All of it is paid in full which was the payment that satisfied the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and our Lord, Yeshua the Messiah.
@@bigfootapologeticsRespectfully, “Tetelestai” the Greek for “it is finished” would have meant much more than just His work on the cross or even the establishment of a new covenant. It meant that his mission of leaving Glory, putting on flesh, coming on a rescue mission, to do His Father’s will in reconciling those whom he predestined to be saved through the Salvation of His only Son was finished. The word was also a banking term to denote a debt being paid in full. Not partially. We know Christ’s death on the cross was the payment that satisfied God completely for all of our sin. I would argue not just a portion of our sin or it diminishes the finished work of Christ on the cross.
The cleansing blood was available to all, the powers had been defeated (losing their grip over the nations), time for Him to tell those held in deep darkness they lost, time to be raised and vindicated, be enthroned in Heaven, send His Spirit to build and fill His temple(s), time to start reclaiming the nations. Reclaiming the nations and transforming imagers into His likeness is a big task. Lots left to do, and He will do it.
Indulgences sounds like the early access VIP line once you have a ticket (i.e. have been saved) for a concert.
8:45 I feel like St. Gregory of Nyssa has a far healthier and better view of Purgatory. It is there to purify us of evil in order to be unified with Christ. It is not there to punish you as a means of Justice, but rather to heal you and restore you to be with him.
The West's obsession with the wrath and justice of God is so annoying. Make him out to be some petty man in the sky.
@@ItsThatGuy1989 exactly. People believe purgatory is like dante’s inferno, when it isn’t at all. A lot of evangelical scholars believe in purgatory as well, it’s not a strict catholic things.
Most Christians believe in some form of Purgatory. Either as a separate space from Heaven where a length of time must spent to purify your soul, or as an instantaneous act of spiritual purification where all of one’s wrong doing are burned away in cleansing of their soul.
Outside of extra-biblical documents you will not find a definitive for any variation of the 2 stances.
[Col 1:22-23 ESV] 22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him, 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel that you heard, which has been proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.
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🔥1 Corinthians 3:13-15: 13 each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.
Great conversation 🙏🏻❤️
Ruslan is like a man listening to the sounds of the forest and hearing his own voice.
Amen voice of reason.
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It's better than not ah not ah not ah lol. Take care
@muppetonmeds maybe. Maybe just let the other person talk without drawing attention to oneself.
I put no stock in Catholicism or Christianity, I put my faith in Jesus Christ.
Damm this guy spitting mad facts. Well said about sanctification and Purgatory
Nothing he said was supported with the Scriptures only his tradition
@davidbermudez7704 you super trippin
1. 2 Maccabees 12:44-46
> “For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, so that they might be delivered from their sin.”
This passage shows the practice of praying for the dead, implying that the dead can benefit from intercessory prayers-consistent with the concept of purgatory.
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2. Matthew 12:32
> “And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
Jesus implies that some sins can be forgiven in the age to come, suggesting a process of purification after death.
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3. 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
> “...each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”
This passage describes a "testing by fire" that purifies a person’s deeds. While they are ultimately saved, they endure a process of cleansing, which aligns with the idea of purgatory.
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4. Revelation 21:27
> “But nothing unclean will ever enter [heaven], nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.”
Heaven requires complete purity. Purgatory is understood as the process through which the faithful who die in God’s grace but are not fully purified are made clean before entering heaven.
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5. Hebrews 12:23
> “...and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect.”
This verse speaks of the perfection of the souls of the righteous, which can be interpreted as a process of purification after death.
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Purgatory is not a second chance for salvation but a merciful purification for those who die in God’s grace but are not fully sanctified. The doctrine aligns with the biblical emphasis on God’s holiness and the need for human souls to be fully cleansed before entering His presence. LET ME KNOW IF YOU NEED MORE.
@@davidbermudez7704clearly you didn't watch the video then. He did in fact support it quite well.
I wish he would have unpacked the idea of how one can know they are in grace? he said through the sacs but what does that mean? on Sunday ik i am in grace but on monday i could be out of grace until i redo the sacs to get back into grace? I need that unpacked a bit.
He left out water baptism as a key "command" from Jesus that's required for salvation, in that summary.
Do the quotation marks mean Jesus didn't command it?
Yes, one must be baptized to be saved. Period.
Well explained
Catholicism for the win.
You mean for the lost ! It’s not about religion, Jesus did not come to rub our sins in , he came to rub it out . If you are not Born again spiritually you have no salvation
Eph 2:8-9 for it is by grace through faith we are saved it is a gift from God not works not of anything we can do. We can’t buy Salvation we can’t work for Salvation. It’s a gift from God so no one can boast..
@@amoyjoyce1117well Jesus started a church so I mean obviously there’s a correct way to follow him and incorrect ways. This “it’s not a religion it’s a relationship” is a cute bumper sticker but means nothing in reality.
@@MrMustang13 So you have a religionship? 😂
@@benm27 yeah basically lol I mean that’s how Christ set up his church so yes. Follow the religion as Christ directed and you will have the relationship with Christ.
Idk there’s things I just fundamentally disagree with like the sinless nature of the virgin Mary.
I actually like how Alex explained everything. I'm a Protestant and I have a number of friends who are catholic. Personally idc as long Jesus as described in the scriptures is whom we believe in and as long as we "sin less" - by the power of the Holy spirit.
The gift is the Holy Spirit his guarantee that we belong to Christ alone !
God prepared good works for us , he told me to go to the prison , I did fur 10 yrs , it was the best experience I have ever had see these prior come to know Jesus personally , the catholic teaching is way off the teaching the Catholic Church is very anti Bible !
How so?
Says the opposite of what he just said: "That's what we believe."
What I get from this interview is to be saved from condemnation, one must get in God's grace and work to remain in it.
Exactly. Catholicism is a works based religion and always has been.
How so ? Lutherans believe baptism saves but don't consider it a work, we as Catholics see all sacraments that way
@@DanielleEm-wp4ffLutherans are almost identical to catholics lol
Ironic, paul said the exact opposite, when you work you fall from grace
“Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”
Galatians 5:4 KJV
@@AchievingPeakWellness well they aren't being attacked for these beliefs like Catholics are
Thanks to bro for making purgatory make sense to a Protestant
The mental gymnastics of Catholics is impressive
Reading Matthew 25 would be a good exercise for you. All the way through.
They are also very good gaslighters
@@LetsssGooooooooo ok done. What's your point
@@TheNexusDirectory your invincible ignorance is more impressive
So how do we reconcile with Hebrews 10: 14, "14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."
In regards to judgement and the scripture in 2 Corinthians 5:10, if our sins (past, present, and future) was forgiven by the blood of Christ, why would he bring it back up? 1 Corinthians 13:10 Love keeps no record of wrongs.
I think it contradicts scripture.