I find it amazing the number of people offended at Bishop Barron having on a conservative political thinker who is faithful to the Catholic Church. Here's the point: Bishop Barron is fundamentally about evangelization, not about the flow of ideas, or promoting a political issue. He is going to choose those guests who serve his purpose of evangelizing the world first, and then the other things. This has been his stance from the beginning. It's ironic that for some he's not trad enough, and for others he's not liberal enough lol.
Yeah it's hard for me to understand why people have issue with him. He's so reasonable and so well spoken! He is such a wonderful speaker and shares God's love for us so well ❤❤❤
Bishop Barron is demonstrating what he has spoken about so many times, which is the need to have conversation to discuss different ideas. We should not shout each other down. It leads to marvelous conversations.
All true. However, does NOT excuse or explain his DANGEROUS explanation of Jesus Christ, when it served his purpose while talking to a Jew! Or his DANGEROUS "hope that hell is empty"!! I LIKE Bp. Barron but have been VERY disappointed in him cuz he knows better!
@@tonywallens217 1) who is upset ? The comment section loves this crossover? 2) Barron is a conservative who aligns nearly unanimously with Knowles. 3) personally I think this is a major red flag with Catholicism today and also explains why when the pope talks everyone freaks out bc so many Catholics today and conservatives first and spiritual matters are secondary
I think that my distaste for Mr Knowles was misplaced. I don’t care to watch people review leftist TikToks but this gentleman is well spoken and intelligent. If I come across him in long form conversation again, I would watch it.
Responding to tik toks is a side scrap bit of content he does. He has a long form daily show, a long form interview series and a short form interview series, in addition to his speaking tours and visits on other long form shows. Definitely seek those out.
The Tridentine Mass reflects the beauty, reverence, and timelessness of our Catholic heritage. It anchors us in sacred tradition and elevates our worship to the glory of God. Grateful for voices like Michael Knowles defending this treasure of the Church! Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam! ✝️🙏
Just beautiful! I'm a long time fan of Bishop Barron (of course!) and Michael Knowles (a bit more recently), and thought this conversation was a great treat. We all know and appreciate Bishop Barron's profundity and eloquence, but man, am I just so pleased to see Michael Knowles rise up to his (Bishop's) level! I stayed up to the very end to see how Michael would hold up, and I wasn't disappointed. Also, this is my firs time to comment (even if I have watched all videos of Word on Fire), finally "succumbing" to what is necessary to feed into the ever-necessary algorithm to spread the word!
The crown of Thorns during our earthly trial is the crown of Glory before our King, God Christ. Even those lost in trial should know it. Praying the Holy Rosary helps to recover the Wisdom that, too often, we lose in distractions, forks and various worldly misplacements. May the Lord forgive us one day for being so good to us. May the Holy Trinity grant us the Mercy among all Mercies: that of only kneeling before Them
Bishop Barron, my heart is with you and your loved ones. I really have enjoyed your insight. I have been a Catholic my whole life. At the age of 39, I became an undeniable believer. And look up to to Father. I love to hear conversations with your guest. I admire your service to such a noble cause. May our heavenly Father grace your ever moment and keep the great shows rolling. 🙏
I like Michael so much. He is such a gentleman. I think a lot of the dislike towards him is a result of a rejection of standards and proper manners. We have become accustomed to degrading ourselves in almost every aspect, from how we talk, to how we dress, that watching someone comport themselves as a decent person triggers something-a sort of resentful recognition of how far we have fallen from the ideals we once held.
I'm genuinely curious-what do you, as a Protestant, think of Catholic theologians and public intellectuals? I ask because, presumably, you would see Catholicism as having made some very serious errors in its interpretation of Scripture or history. Doesn't that undermine their credibility entirely? As a Catholic, I feel I can appropriate the best ideas from Protestant thinkers as long as they don't contradict Church teaching. But for Protestants, it seems many believe Catholics have gravely misinterpreted the authority of Scripture as the sole guide for Christian life. How do you manage not to throw out the Catholic "baby" with the "bathwater"?
@@ElijahRexNewcomb As a Protestant, our lack of a supremely binding rule other than Scripture permits us us to be pretty theologically omnivorous. At its worst this leads to a kind of individualistic relativism, but at its best it liberates us to embrace the best that has been thought by any Christian.
@@ElijahRexNewcomb All Protestants think differently, so I can’t speak for everyone, but I perceive Catholics as my Christian brothers and sisters. We may disagree on certain fundamental aspects of our faiths, but I try to focus on what unites us: Christ. 😇✝️ I quite enjoy listening to MK & Bishop Barron philosophical views. Very enriching for sure!
@@Lottieloves287 For example, Mormons also claim to believe in Christ, yet you as a Protestant and I as a Catholic would say that their doctrine of God, denial of the Trinity, and the divinity of Christ, their views on marriage, and their view of salvation-and by extension, the purpose of human life-necessarily discredit them as an authority on how the world operates and what I should do with my life. We may find ourselves in common cause on issues like eliminating pornography or even promoting large families, but at root, our reasons for doing so are entirely different and at odds. I would think that rejecting the Bible as the sole authority for the Christian life, and believing we are bound to listen to the Church and the Pope, would make the Catholic analogous to Mormons for you. You might agree with us on certain and even fundamental things, but how we get there is very different. How do you know that the advice Michael Knowles or Bishop Barron is giving isn't motivated or underpinned by some papal document that contradicts Scripture? As a Catholic, what our Protestant brothers and sisters get right, they get from Scripture, which is an authority for us too-though they don’t have the Church to correct false teachings. But from a Protestant perspective, Catholics believe that a fallible human authority is on par with the word of God. Surely this must mean you’d have to at least scrutinize every piece of advice down to its roots. I apologize; obviously, I’m glad that you listen to some of us, but intellectually, I don’t see how you could. At best, we may "accidentally" agree with you wherever the Pope or the Church hasn’t led us astray. If you do agree with Michael and the good bishop, perhaps you should ask how they manage not to get things wrong. Perhaps then, they’re not wrong about the Church and the Pope either.
I was a Protestant fan of both of these guys for years. I was received into the Catholic Church in May of this year. God’s plan is mysterious and amusing!
An insightful conversation between two great minds! 🙏 Bishop Barron and Michael Knowles bring such clarity to the intersection of philosophy and culture. A must-watch for anyone seeking to understand the deeper truths of our world.
Bishop Barron your level of comprehension is at a hole other level. I love to hear different comprehensive individual, but your vocabulary is exquisite 👌 👏 👏 🎉🎉🎉🎉. Your at a whole other level. 😮
May the Holy Patriarch, Saint Joseph, intercede for us when we are called to guard, guard and protect someone, especially if they are Innocent. In my opinion, "the gift of Saint Joseph" is to "travel" to spiritual Reality, and awakened here, remember everything lived, everything dreamed. May our generation of exiles respect, investigate, understand, admire, and therefore value the decisions and the entire test of our Holy brothers: the little children of God the Creator, those worthy to serve His Son, the made Vessels of Paraclete. that we respect, better understand, admire more and, therefore, more Venerate the Saint who loves us the most, and shows it to us, since she brings us closer to her Son, God Christ. In my mere opinion, the Holy Rosary currently has greater intercession, and if it is prayed with greater frequency, daily occurrence, respect and affection, and therefore greater Faith in us, the machinations of the dead beast would be more than thwarted.
DW is letting Michael do this for a reason. Anyone with DW, I’m a bit hesitant. Michael does have good content but it just doesn’t help that he’s with DW.
DW doesn’t tell him what to say, he’s very open minded, especially in their Backstage shows where he is with Klavan and Ben and Michael, I believe, goes out of his way to stand up for the church and the faith by finding any opportunity to mention Catholicism in their discussions. Plus, Michael is always doing talks, he’s done many talks in the past with Bishop, this isn’t his first one
@@dailyDorc I watch his podcast. I said “Michael has good content” in my initial post but he is owned by DW and they don’t let him on shows without some sort of strict rules of what he can say and not say.
May we come to understand the Greatness of those who serve the Risen Lord, since if we understood it, we would try to imitate it. that we begin to improve, and that we begin to become more worthy of the Goodness among all the Goodness, embodied in a human vessel that walked among us and takes care of us. Virgin bending dead beasts lacking love, Pray for us. Virgin protector against hungry beasts deprived of all Holy food, who prey on unfortunate and defeated brothers, Pray for us
the Creator, Eternal Present God, Father of God Christ, and Father of every creature worthy of HIM, repairs and guides His people under His Covenant, and prepares what will be the new and extensive people of His Son, under the New Covenant If among us there are righteous before HIM, HE will offer His righteous gifts and graces to be able to fulfill His designs among us. The Righteous, those tested by power and fame, our brothers made by deciding in the Commandments to be Righteous before our Eternal Creator, are our greatest pride as human creatures. May the Righteous be many more and much better, so that the designs of God the Creator may be among us.
Y’all came out of the gate with stuff in my head. From 2012 until about 2020 I was most interested in learning about libertarian politics. Coming home to the Catholic Church in 2021 I’m now trying to decide if I had the authority would I make pornography illegal. This will answer if I can be a libertarian and a Catholic at the same time.
Libertarianism isn't compatible with Catholicism. Modern American Libertarianism is an offshoot of the Objectivist Movement, which is staunchly and vocally atheist. Libertarianism calls for "negative freedom," which is the freedom to do whatever you want so long as you don't harm others. It's relativism in disguise. Catholicism advocates "positive freedom," which calls for laws to be imposed that make it safe for people to pursue virtue.
A Protestant, sorry friends but Protestants do believe in cooperating with God’s grace. As a believer seeks to become more holy and Christlike (also known as the process of Sanctification), there is indeed a need to cooperate with God’s sanctifying grace applied through the Holy Spirit. See quote from preeminent 18th century Reformed theologian the Italian Protestant Francis Turretin: “ ““[Sanctification] follows justification and is begun here in this life by regeneration and promoted by the exercise of holiness and of good works, until it shall be consummated in the other by glory. In this sense, it is now taken passively, inasmuch as it is wrought by God in us; then actively, inasmuch as it ought to be done by us, God performing this work in us and by us” (Institutes of Elenctic Theology 2.17.1).””
If you’re a synergist, sure, but those in the Calvinist tradition are expressly monergistic. This is part of the Catholic critique of Protestantism - there is literally no monolithic axiom, besides perhaps, that God exists, but even detractors of that axiom can find quarter in some Protestant circles
@@micahalbSorry but you are wrong. See quote from the preimmenent 18th century Reformed theologian, the Italian Protestant Francis Turretin. The Reformed tradition teaches sanctification it is both monergistic and synergistic. Both are correct. ““[Sanctification] follows justification and is begun here in this life by regeneration and promoted by the exercise of holiness and of good works, until it shall be consummated in the other by glory. In this sense, it is now taken passively, inasmuch as it is wrought by God in us; then actively, inasmuch as it ought to be done by us, God performing this work in us and by us” (Institutes of Elenctic Theology 2.17.1).” Please don’t try to sell me the myth of how monolithic Roman Catholicism is.
Are the The Institutes of Elenctic Theology representative off all “orthodox” protestants? Are they binding on the protestant to be in good standing with the church? Or was that merely a theological opinion?
@ You are playing games here. It isn’t either or. A preimmenent theologian is de facto an authority. Perhaps a subordinate authority but an authority none the less whether you personally agree with them or not. Turretin was writing on a subject covered in the Reformed tradition’s doctrinal standards which a person seeking membership must subscribe to. He provided further clarity not develop a whole new theological paradigm. Roman Catholic theologians provide further clarity all the time on topics covered in your doctrinal standards. Apparently you don’t consider them an authority since they are only offering their opinions.
@ I’m not trying to play games. Catholic theology ranges its teachings from official dogmatic teachings down to theological opinion so yes, of course there is room for theologians to elucidate teachings, the question is - when can protestants teach DEFINITIVELY? They can for their respective traditions somewhat (i.e. Calvin binds his congregation to Calvinism), but certainly Turretin isn’t going to bind the conscience of Arminius, and yet both are “protestant” Do protestants have a category for dogma which binds the conscience of all protestants? And this conversation has strayed from the original point which was, even if its only to a degree, Calvinists affirm, to one degree of another, monergism - where you made it sound like all protestants hold to the same view of synergism as the Catholic view, which is obviously not correct. Answering your original post, this is expressly different from Catholic theology, no matter what degree of monergism one subscribes to; nor is it a monolithic “protestant” position, that would warrant you saying “protestants believe X”
I can’t believe Bishop Barron was able to attain a guest of this magnitude. The captain of the Mayflower, enjoyer of Dante, writer of blank books, seller of properly ranched steaks - Michael “The Daily Wire” Knowles.
A Protestant response. The Protestant objection to “statues” is not statues per se or a concern about “getting in the way” of a direct encounter with God. None of the magisterial reformers were iconoclasts. Luther was vehemently opposed to iconoclasm. The concern was over the all too easy slide into idolatry. BTW, there were iconoclast popes so in the history of the church it hasn’t ever been just a “Protestant issue”.
That is understandable friend. However, a misuse of a thing does not then invalidate a things right use. For example look at firearms, cars, alcohol, sugary sweets as practical examples. People can even make an idol of Sacred Scripture itself. God Bless Friend!
@@pcola4594I simply provided a correction to the mischaracterization regarding Protestants and “statues”. You can spin it however you want. I would expect nothing less. You apparently have never attended Divine Services at a Lutheran or Anglican parish to use two obvious examples.
A Protestant, sorry friends but Protestants do believe in cooperating with God’s grace. As a believer seeks to become more holy and Christlike (also known as the process of Sanctification), there is indeed a need to cooperate with God’s sanctifying grace app,ied through the Holy Spirit.
Can you offer an example of Catholics offering sacrifices or specifically the Eucharist to statues? For something all too easy to fall into how have a never heard of this?
The modern psyche needs these concepts made digestible to the average man, otherwise whatever is most understandable will win. We tend to go with “yea that makes sense”
Art is how you make it digestible. There’s a reason why icons ect were used to communicate truths. While I might not be able to understand Absolute Divine Simplicity and other dogmas in Scholastic terms, I can understand truth in art.
I lost a lot of respect for Knowles after hearing him seemingly boast of having no idea how to wash his own clothes since his wife always does it for him. Said he doesn't even know what the dials on the washer and dryer mean. He champions masculinity and traditionalism while living in a state of learned helplessness in regards to the most elementary parts of life.
It’s traditional and masculine for a working man to wash his laundry than for his stay at home wife to do it for him? I understand you are pointing out how he shouldn’t be helpless, but the guy doesn’t stop working, he’s graduated from Yale, and as I mentioned, he works, and works a lot. It’s traditional for the wife to do the home work while the man bring home everything else. Again, although I don’t agree, I see your point of “helplessness” but to use that as undermining traditionalism and masculinity is extremely misguided.
If he wanted to wash his clothes he would figure it out in 5 minutes. Don't make a big deal out of it. I help with hanging the washing but it's always my wife that does it, I can't remember what the dials do either, doesn't mean I'm helpless, I just don't need that knowledge.
@ I’m the same way, my wife likes taking care of the house work and she stays at home with our son. I’m out of the home 10-11 hours a day for work, it works out, like it’s been traditionally
@@tookie36 i just saw the video. I don't think he did. He kinda made him look too supportive of the American Empire, but Chomsky also has his own negatives based on that interview.
in my mere opinion, Saint Joseph is, and more than should be, the Example of protection of the Innocents, of the one who, without being a husband or a father, defends and protects with his life the Family that has been entrusted to him. on many occasions we are offered to protect and defend the Innocents, let us make and ask for the Holy intercession of the patriarch Saint Joseph, the brave, wise, prudent and kind, who agreed to act as a husband and as a father until the last day of his Blessed proof, of the Family that was entrusted to him in my arrogant opinion, I can give you humble, sincere testimony of certainty and verisimilitude of the importance in our lives of the clear dreams of our soul. God the Creator wants us to begin to give them true importance, even if at first we do not understand them, let us only decide in them, in their warning, exhortation, offering, atonement and testing, and see the consequences in ourselves when, by the Grace and Mercy of God the Creator , let's continue waking up in this test to be able to improve
Isn't the point to make God's kingdom on earth. With trump losing Catholics lost even more political power, even if you don't want to get political the power of your words are important as well
@@johncollins2557 yeah the nationwide enshrinement of zero limit abortion policies and Kamals open distaste for all Christians would have been so much better. Totally insipid
I agree with much of what is presented here. But it was a very boring conversation. It appears they both made a big straw man out of the left and attacked it the whole time. It comes across as shallow and self-congratualatory. I would much prefer to hear a good faith conversation that takes into account both ends of the ideological spectrum and places the two sides in actual exploratory dialogue. The world has enough echo chambers.
I enjoyed this discussion. I think there's a bit of a strawman of Marx here. More on Knowles side. Also I think these discussions would be much more indicative of Buckley and the kind of debate promoted in the show by actually challenging each other. Too much agreement here. No one challenged anything anyone said. It's easy to state that the problem is the disappearance of truth, transcendence etc but that's not argument for what these are. I think we need to revisit, perhaps like Plantinga did with his Warrant series, how to understand truth not merely stating the problem of its disappearance. Easy to state this
Perhaps a fair critique, but I don’t believe the intent with this show is to hold an academic debate as much as a commentary of the current political/social environment via a conversational platform with classical thought as the backdrop. These discussions are a valuable reminder of what came before us as well as an articulation of the present state of affairs. Not every discussion needs to set out to accomplish something or be a “gotcha” style debate format. Sometimes it’s good just to discuss where we are relative to where we’ve been.
@ I agree with that. Indeed, most academic discussions don't even display disagreement of any kind! Just think that much of the debate and disagreement about the origins of critical theory rooted in Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, and later thinkers in Germany and France (many of whom migrated to the US by choice or force) should be a bit more precise. I don't think that's "academic" per se as much as it is a refusal to strawman and set an example to those with whom we disagree that we don't roll like that.. better to steelman and present the best possible argument for our debate partners to then disagree with that position. Agree these are valuable discussions.
I’m a huge Knowles fan so this is really awesome. He’s one of the people who got me back into Catholicism
Retart😂
I find it amazing the number of people offended at Bishop Barron having on a conservative political thinker who is faithful to the Catholic Church.
Here's the point: Bishop Barron is fundamentally about evangelization, not about the flow of ideas, or promoting a political issue. He is going to choose those guests who serve his purpose of evangelizing the world first, and then the other things.
This has been his stance from the beginning. It's ironic that for some he's not trad enough, and for others he's not liberal enough lol.
Yeah it's hard for me to understand why people have issue with him. He's so reasonable and so well spoken! He is such a wonderful speaker and shares God's love for us so well ❤❤❤
Bishop Barron is demonstrating what he has spoken about so many times, which is the need to have conversation to discuss different ideas. We should not shout each other down. It leads to marvelous conversations.
All true. However, does NOT excuse or explain his DANGEROUS explanation of Jesus Christ, when it served his purpose while talking to a Jew! Or his DANGEROUS "hope that hell is empty"!! I LIKE Bp. Barron but have been VERY disappointed in him cuz he knows better!
@ do you hope that people are in hell?
@@tonywallens217 1) who is upset ? The comment section loves this crossover?
2) Barron is a conservative who aligns nearly unanimously with Knowles.
3) personally I think this is a major red flag with Catholicism today and also explains why when the pope talks everyone freaks out bc so many Catholics today and conservatives first and spiritual matters are secondary
I think that my distaste for Mr Knowles was misplaced. I don’t care to watch people review leftist TikToks but this gentleman is well spoken and intelligent. If I come across him in long form conversation again, I would watch it.
His long form videos where he interviews priests and Christian converts are great.
@sjtod-pfu Your distaste was uncalled for. Period. Let’s call it a “cultural ipsedixitism.” Glad you admitted it.
Hey, let’s not be exiguous in the chat.
He does flip between silliness and serious/intellectually interesting.
Responding to tik toks is a side scrap bit of content he does.
He has a long form daily show, a long form interview series and a short form interview series, in addition to his speaking tours and visits on other long form shows.
Definitely seek those out.
"Don't destroy it until you know what it is for", such a simple statement but surprisingly profound. Thanks Bishop and Michael, great talk.
Bishop Barron God protect you.
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What a lovely pairing of my two favorite Catholics in the UA-cam spheres.
Always great to see you and Knowles together. God Bless
The Tridentine Mass reflects the beauty, reverence, and timelessness of our Catholic heritage. It anchors us in sacred tradition and elevates our worship to the glory of God. Grateful for voices like Michael Knowles defending this treasure of the Church! Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam! ✝️🙏
Barron got Knowles? I'm Speechless.
**Ding**
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Me too. Yet another Daily Wire right winger. This is an echo chamber for the right. Little to do with most Catholic's politics. So sad to see.
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First time listening to Michael and appreciate this conversation. Thank you.
Which cave have you been living in? 🫢
Just beautiful! I'm a long time fan of Bishop Barron (of course!) and Michael Knowles (a bit more recently), and thought this conversation was a great treat. We all know and appreciate Bishop Barron's profundity and eloquence, but man, am I just so pleased to see Michael Knowles rise up to his (Bishop's) level! I stayed up to the very end to see how Michael would hold up, and I wasn't disappointed. Also, this is my firs time to comment (even if I have watched all videos of Word on Fire), finally "succumbing" to what is necessary to feed into the ever-necessary algorithm to spread the word!
May the Lord bless you both!
Great conversation! Praying for Normal of natural law and attention to Gods word!
This was a true blessing to listen to ~ thank you to both of you for your faithfulness and charity in sharing the Faith.
Thank you, Bishop Barron and Michael Knowles
The crown of Thorns during our earthly trial is the crown of Glory before our King, God Christ.
Even those lost in trial should know it.
Praying the Holy Rosary helps to recover the Wisdom that, too often, we lose in distractions, forks and various worldly misplacements.
May the Lord forgive us one day for being so good to us. May the Holy Trinity grant us the Mercy among all Mercies: that of only kneeling before Them
Bishop Barron, my heart is with you and your loved ones. I really have enjoyed your insight. I have been a Catholic my whole life. At the age of 39, I became an undeniable believer. And look up to to Father. I love to hear conversations with your guest. I admire your service to such a noble cause. May our heavenly Father grace your ever moment and keep the great shows rolling. 🙏
I like Michael so much. He is such a gentleman. I think a lot of the dislike towards him is a result of a rejection of standards and proper manners. We have become accustomed to degrading ourselves in almost every aspect, from how we talk, to how we dress, that watching someone comport themselves as a decent person triggers something-a sort of resentful recognition of how far we have fallen from the ideals we once held.
Oh very cool!! Protestant here 💕 so grateful for you both 💙
I'm genuinely curious-what do you, as a Protestant, think of Catholic theologians and public intellectuals? I ask because, presumably, you would see Catholicism as having made some very serious errors in its interpretation of Scripture or history. Doesn't that undermine their credibility entirely?
As a Catholic, I feel I can appropriate the best ideas from Protestant thinkers as long as they don't contradict Church teaching. But for Protestants, it seems many believe Catholics have gravely misinterpreted the authority of Scripture as the sole guide for Christian life. How do you manage not to throw out the Catholic "baby" with the "bathwater"?
@@ElijahRexNewcomb As a Protestant, our lack of a supremely binding rule other than Scripture permits us us to be pretty theologically omnivorous. At its worst this leads to a kind of individualistic relativism, but at its best it liberates us to embrace the best that has been thought by any Christian.
@@ElijahRexNewcomb All Protestants think differently, so I can’t speak for everyone, but I perceive Catholics as my Christian brothers and sisters. We may disagree on certain fundamental aspects of our faiths, but I try to focus on what unites us: Christ. 😇✝️
I quite enjoy listening to MK & Bishop Barron philosophical views. Very enriching for sure!
@@Lottieloves287 For example, Mormons also claim to believe in Christ, yet you as a Protestant and I as a Catholic would say that their doctrine of God, denial of the Trinity, and the divinity of Christ, their views on marriage, and their view of salvation-and by extension, the purpose of human life-necessarily discredit them as an authority on how the world operates and what I should do with my life. We may find ourselves in common cause on issues like eliminating pornography or even promoting large families, but at root, our reasons for doing so are entirely different and at odds.
I would think that rejecting the Bible as the sole authority for the Christian life, and believing we are bound to listen to the Church and the Pope, would make the Catholic analogous to Mormons for you. You might agree with us on certain and even fundamental things, but how we get there is very different. How do you know that the advice Michael Knowles or Bishop Barron is giving isn't motivated or underpinned by some papal document that contradicts Scripture?
As a Catholic, what our Protestant brothers and sisters get right, they get from Scripture, which is an authority for us too-though they don’t have the Church to correct false teachings. But from a Protestant perspective, Catholics believe that a fallible human authority is on par with the word of God. Surely this must mean you’d have to at least scrutinize every piece of advice down to its roots. I apologize; obviously, I’m glad that you listen to some of us, but intellectually, I don’t see how you could. At best, we may "accidentally" agree with you wherever the Pope or the Church hasn’t led us astray. If you do agree with Michael and the good bishop, perhaps you should ask how they manage not to get things wrong. Perhaps then, they’re not wrong about the Church and the Pope either.
I was a Protestant fan of both of these guys for years. I was received into the Catholic Church in May of this year. God’s plan is mysterious and amusing!
What a blessing to see this discussion. Much needed in today’s society to make sense of the political landscape from a Christian perspective
If anybody needs more Knowles + Barron - there is a book club episode on Genesis on Prager U. I listened to it several times... really good.
Wish it was longer. Feel like you can never get to the bottom of these topics but I was engaged in listening the entire time.
What a lovely show. So many of the past who knew what path we were on and he we are!
Like this much better than Knowles’s normal show, great conversation
This is the best show that describes our present day society. You are both brilliant.
What a treat - two of my favorite Catholics in media. Let's make this a regular thing!
An insightful conversation between two great minds! 🙏 Bishop Barron and Michael Knowles bring such clarity to the intersection of philosophy and culture. A must-watch for anyone seeking to understand the deeper truths of our world.
I must say I love both of these men
Always a pleasure to hear you two speak on topics!
Our Lady of Good Success, pray for us
Greatly enjoining this, thanks
Such a great conversation!!
Bishop Barron is amazing
So excited for this conversation! Love Michael!
💙 Thank you for these discussions. it's tremendously intesting & insiggtful to hear about peoples personal journey to Christ 💙
Bishop Barron your level of comprehension is at a hole other level. I love to hear different comprehensive individual, but your vocabulary is exquisite 👌 👏 👏 🎉🎉🎉🎉. Your at a whole other level. 😮
2 great podcasts Releasing within 24 hours! I can’t wait for this, just like I can’t wait for Pints with Aquinas with Nick Freitas
Oh I can't wait for that one!
@ it came out last night! It was excellent!
Thank you bishop Barron!
Very good talk and discussion. They lost me with their advanced degrees, but felt like in good company!!
These 2 should get together and write a book called " The Geometry of Social Structure."
Excited for this.
Good work Bishop Barron. God bless you
Great conversation between great men.
I prefer to be lead in thinking instead of being told what to believe. And these two men are proficient leaders.❤
“Discipling of desire so as to make the achievement of the good possible.”
William F Buckley interview of Gov George Wallace was classic.
Great conversation!
very insightful
Now this is a Christmas present I never knew I wanted 😊
This was lovely.
Merry Christmas!! ✝️🎄☃️🔥🇱🇷
Thank you for this very interesting conversation!
Me brain smarter now. 😊 Seriously though, it was a lovely conversation. Thanks for letting me listen in.
I'm so excited! I'm a Michael Knowles Fanboy
Each individual is a bridge between the past and the future.
Thank you.
May the Holy Patriarch, Saint Joseph, intercede for us when we are called to guard, guard and protect someone, especially if they are Innocent.
In my opinion, "the gift of Saint Joseph" is to "travel" to spiritual Reality, and awakened here, remember everything lived, everything dreamed.
May our generation of exiles respect, investigate, understand, admire, and therefore value the decisions and the entire test of our Holy brothers: the little children of God the Creator, those worthy to serve His Son, the made Vessels of Paraclete.
that we respect, better understand, admire more and, therefore, more Venerate the Saint who loves us the most, and shows it to us, since she brings us closer to her Son, God Christ.
In my mere opinion, the Holy Rosary currently has greater intercession, and if it is prayed with greater frequency, daily occurrence, respect and affection, and therefore greater Faith in us, the machinations of the dead beast would be more than thwarted.
I won the lotto and im donating to mission basilica ventura. Thank god
Michael might be 15 years old, but he’s really good in relief of the Bishop. Keeps right up with the philosopher Excellency. 😂 👏 🙏
Two of my favorite people Amen.
You should give a warning before the podcast that gives people enough time to get their dictionaries.
DW is letting Michael do this for a reason. Anyone with DW, I’m a bit hesitant. Michael does have good content but it just doesn’t help that he’s with DW.
DW doesn’t tell him what to say, he’s very open minded, especially in their Backstage shows where he is with Klavan and Ben and Michael, I believe, goes out of his way to stand up for the church and the faith by finding any opportunity to mention Catholicism in their discussions. Plus, Michael is always doing talks, he’s done many talks in the past with Bishop, this isn’t his first one
@@InHerLittleWay as someone who actually watches knowles podcast, he basically hosts a very openly Catholic podcast on the DW
@@dailyDorc I watch his podcast. I said “Michael has good content” in my initial post but he is owned by DW and they don’t let him on shows without some sort of strict rules of what he can say and not say.
Where can I fill out my application to be Michael Knowles' Squire?
26:48 Amen Amen!
May we come to understand the Greatness of those who serve the Risen Lord, since if we understood it, we would try to imitate it.
that we begin to improve, and that we begin to become more worthy of the Goodness among all the Goodness, embodied in a human vessel that walked among us and takes care of us.
Virgin bending dead beasts lacking love, Pray for us.
Virgin protector against hungry beasts deprived of all Holy food, who prey on unfortunate and defeated brothers, Pray for us
the Creator, Eternal Present God, Father of God Christ, and Father of every creature worthy of HIM, repairs and guides His people under His Covenant, and prepares what will be the new and extensive people of His Son, under the New Covenant
If among us there are righteous before HIM, HE will offer His righteous gifts and graces to be able to fulfill His designs among us. The Righteous, those tested by power and fame, our brothers made by deciding in the Commandments to be Righteous before our Eternal Creator, are our greatest pride as human creatures.
May the Righteous be many more and much better, so that the designs of God the Creator may be among us.
LOVE Michael Knowles
Not on my 2024 bingo card 😂, thank you for this interview/talk
Y’all came out of the gate with stuff in my head. From 2012 until about 2020 I was most interested in learning about libertarian politics. Coming home to the Catholic Church in 2021 I’m now trying to decide if I had the authority would I make pornography illegal. This will answer if I can be a libertarian and a Catholic at the same time.
Libertarianism isn't compatible with Catholicism. Modern American Libertarianism is an offshoot of the Objectivist Movement, which is staunchly and vocally atheist. Libertarianism calls for "negative freedom," which is the freedom to do whatever you want so long as you don't harm others. It's relativism in disguise. Catholicism advocates "positive freedom," which calls for laws to be imposed that make it safe for people to pursue virtue.
What about protecting people from oligarchs
A Protestant, sorry friends but Protestants do believe in cooperating with God’s grace. As a believer seeks to become more holy and Christlike (also known as the process of Sanctification), there is indeed a need to cooperate with God’s sanctifying grace applied through the Holy Spirit. See quote from preeminent 18th century Reformed theologian the Italian Protestant Francis Turretin: “ ““[Sanctification] follows justification and is begun here in this life by regeneration and promoted by the exercise of holiness and of good works, until it shall be consummated in the other by glory. In this sense, it is now taken passively, inasmuch as it is wrought by God in us; then actively, inasmuch as it ought to be done by us, God performing this work in us and by us” (Institutes of Elenctic Theology 2.17.1).””
If you’re a synergist, sure, but those in the Calvinist tradition are expressly monergistic.
This is part of the Catholic critique of Protestantism - there is literally no monolithic axiom, besides perhaps, that God exists, but even detractors of that axiom can find quarter in some Protestant circles
@@micahalbSorry but you are wrong. See quote from the preimmenent 18th century Reformed theologian, the Italian Protestant Francis Turretin. The Reformed tradition teaches sanctification it is both monergistic and synergistic. Both are correct. ““[Sanctification] follows justification and is begun here in this life by regeneration and promoted by the exercise of holiness and of good works, until it shall be consummated in the other by glory. In this sense, it is now taken passively, inasmuch as it is wrought by God in us; then actively, inasmuch as it ought to be done by us, God performing this work in us and by us” (Institutes of Elenctic Theology 2.17.1).” Please don’t try to sell me the myth of how monolithic Roman Catholicism is.
Are the The Institutes of Elenctic Theology representative off all “orthodox” protestants? Are they binding on the protestant to be in good standing with the church?
Or was that merely a theological opinion?
@ You are playing games here. It isn’t either or. A preimmenent theologian is de facto an authority. Perhaps a subordinate authority but an authority none the less whether you personally agree with them or not. Turretin was writing on a subject covered in the Reformed tradition’s doctrinal standards which a person seeking membership must subscribe to. He provided further clarity not develop a whole new theological paradigm. Roman Catholic theologians provide further clarity all the time on topics covered in your doctrinal standards. Apparently you don’t consider them an authority since they are only offering their opinions.
@ I’m not trying to play games.
Catholic theology ranges its teachings from official dogmatic teachings down to theological opinion so yes, of course there is room for theologians to elucidate teachings, the question is - when can protestants teach DEFINITIVELY? They can for their respective traditions somewhat (i.e. Calvin binds his congregation to Calvinism), but certainly Turretin isn’t going to bind the conscience of Arminius, and yet both are “protestant”
Do protestants have a category for dogma which binds the conscience of all protestants?
And this conversation has strayed from the original point which was, even if its only to a degree, Calvinists affirm, to one degree of another, monergism - where you made it sound like all protestants hold to the same view of synergism as the Catholic view, which is obviously not correct. Answering your original post, this is expressly different from Catholic theology, no matter what degree of monergism one subscribes to; nor is it a monolithic “protestant” position, that would warrant you saying “protestants believe X”
I have for the 5 or 10 years began think the Gates of Hell line meant what Bushop Barron said
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1:03:15
Onward Christian Soldiers.
New moto (proposition):
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of the Good.
I can’t believe Bishop Barron was able to attain a guest of this magnitude. The captain of the Mayflower, enjoyer of Dante, writer of blank books, seller of properly ranched steaks - Michael “The Daily Wire” Knowles.
Peach to all the good news
A Protestant response. The Protestant objection to “statues” is not statues per se or a concern about “getting in the way” of a direct encounter with God. None of the magisterial reformers were iconoclasts. Luther was vehemently opposed to iconoclasm. The concern was over the all too easy slide into idolatry. BTW, there were iconoclast popes so in the history of the church it hasn’t ever been just a “Protestant issue”.
That is understandable friend. However, a misuse of a thing does not then invalidate a things right use. For example look at firearms, cars, alcohol, sugary sweets as practical examples. People can even make an idol of Sacred Scripture itself.
God Bless Friend!
@@pcola4594I simply provided a correction to the mischaracterization regarding Protestants and “statues”. You can spin it however you want. I would expect nothing less. You apparently have never attended Divine Services at a Lutheran or Anglican parish to use two obvious examples.
A Protestant, sorry friends but Protestants do believe in cooperating with God’s grace. As a believer seeks to become more holy and Christlike (also known as the process of Sanctification), there is indeed a need to cooperate with God’s sanctifying grace app,ied through the Holy Spirit.
Can you offer an example of Catholics offering sacrifices or specifically the Eucharist to statues? For something all too easy to fall into how have a never heard of this?
The modern psyche needs these concepts made digestible to the average man, otherwise whatever is most understandable will win. We tend to go with “yea that makes sense”
Art is how you make it digestible. There’s a reason why icons ect were used to communicate truths. While I might not be able to understand Absolute Divine Simplicity and other dogmas in Scholastic terms, I can understand truth in art.
I lost a lot of respect for Knowles after hearing him seemingly boast of having no idea how to wash his own clothes since his wife always does it for him. Said he doesn't even know what the dials on the washer and dryer mean. He champions masculinity and traditionalism while living in a state of learned helplessness in regards to the most elementary parts of life.
You should do a quick google search and look up humor.
Don’t take everything completely literal.
Maybe he was being facetious?
It’s traditional and masculine for a working man to wash his laundry than for his stay at home wife to do it for him? I understand you are pointing out how he shouldn’t be helpless, but the guy doesn’t stop working, he’s graduated from Yale, and as I mentioned, he works, and works a lot. It’s traditional for the wife to do the home work while the man bring home everything else. Again, although I don’t agree, I see your point of “helplessness” but to use that as undermining traditionalism and masculinity is extremely misguided.
If he wanted to wash his clothes he would figure it out in 5 minutes. Don't make a big deal out of it. I help with hanging the washing but it's always my wife that does it, I can't remember what the dials do either, doesn't mean I'm helpless, I just don't need that knowledge.
@ I’m the same way, my wife likes taking care of the house work and she stays at home with our son. I’m out of the home 10-11 hours a day for work, it works out, like it’s been traditionally
Noam Chomsky made Buckley look completely uneducated
How?
@ they have the video on UA-cam when Chomsky went on Firing Line. Its fantastic
@@tookie36 i just saw the video. I don't think he did. He kinda made him look too supportive of the American Empire, but Chomsky also has his own negatives based on that interview.
Both fans of that SOB William F Buckley?! 😢
The Catholic hoover institute
in my mere opinion, Saint Joseph is, and more than should be, the Example of protection of the Innocents, of the one who, without being a husband or a father, defends and protects with his life the Family that has been entrusted to him.
on many occasions we are offered to protect and defend the Innocents, let us make and ask for the Holy intercession of the patriarch Saint Joseph, the brave, wise, prudent and kind, who agreed to act as a husband and as a father until the last day of his Blessed proof, of the Family that was entrusted to him
in my arrogant opinion, I can give you humble, sincere testimony of certainty and verisimilitude of the importance in our lives of the clear dreams of our soul. God the Creator wants us to begin to give them true importance, even if at first we do not understand them, let us only decide in them, in their warning, exhortation, offering, atonement and testing, and see the consequences in ourselves when, by the Grace and Mercy of God the Creator , let's continue waking up in this test to be able to improve
Don't know what a content creator would know about art and philosophy. Surely there would be more perceptive guests?
No whiskey ?
Buckley was a hack who slandered the greatest American political thinker of all time, Pat Buchanan.
Woohoo
Why would anyone call Barron your excellency, so sycophantic
Because Catholic bishops are addressed as “your excellency”
Says who, the Catholic church, a self appointed title with no relevance in the real world. What's he excellent at, talking rubbish
A self appointed title by the hierarchy, baseless and unnecessary, he's not that important. Just an ego inflator, a delusion of grandeur.
Of course it was better for Trump to lose. No Christian can believe that man is electatble. That's truly insane
Isn't the point to make God's kingdom on earth. With trump losing Catholics lost even more political power, even if you don't want to get political the power of your words are important as well
And Kamala?
Man, Kamala is a thousand times worse than then Trump. It's quite insane for a Catholic to think that.
@@johncollins2557 yeah the nationwide enshrinement of zero limit abortion policies and Kamals open distaste for all Christians would have been so much better. Totally insipid
Really? But then Kamala would've won and abortion at 9 months doesn't sit well with the Catholic orthodoxy...
Struck me as a wee bit pompous, Buckley...not to say pretentious, orotund, ostentatious and, dare I say, grandiloquent.
I agree with much of what is presented here. But it was a very boring conversation. It appears they both made a big straw man out of the left and attacked it the whole time. It comes across as shallow and self-congratualatory. I would much prefer to hear a good faith conversation that takes into account both ends of the ideological spectrum and places the two sides in actual exploratory dialogue. The world has enough echo chambers.
I enjoyed this discussion. I think there's a bit of a strawman of Marx here. More on Knowles side. Also I think these discussions would be much more indicative of Buckley and the kind of debate promoted in the show by actually challenging each other. Too much agreement here. No one challenged anything anyone said. It's easy to state that the problem is the disappearance of truth, transcendence etc but that's not argument for what these are. I think we need to revisit, perhaps like Plantinga did with his Warrant series, how to understand truth not merely stating the problem of its disappearance. Easy to state this
Perhaps a fair critique, but I don’t believe the intent with this show is to hold an academic debate as much as a commentary of the current political/social environment via a conversational platform with classical thought as the backdrop. These discussions are a valuable reminder of what came before us as well as an articulation of the present state of affairs. Not every discussion needs to set out to accomplish something or be a “gotcha” style debate format. Sometimes it’s good just to discuss where we are relative to where we’ve been.
@ I agree with that. Indeed, most academic discussions don't even display disagreement of any kind! Just think that much of the debate and disagreement about the origins of critical theory rooted in Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, and later thinkers in Germany and France (many of whom migrated to the US by choice or force) should be a bit more precise. I don't think that's "academic" per se as much as it is a refusal to strawman and set an example to those with whom we disagree that we don't roll like that.. better to steelman and present the best possible argument for our debate partners to then disagree with that position. Agree these are valuable discussions.