Hot Rod did NOT KILL Optimus Prime!
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- It is no surprise that the death of Optimus Prime was controversial. Many have pinned the blame on the young Autobot, Hot Rod, for trying to do the right thing. However, was it REALLY his fault, and what can we learn from our mistakes?
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We know who really killed Optimus Prime corporate marketing
Exactly!
@@BasedVegeta Admittedly, Galvatron said it best "We all must die sometime."
But, as a youngster, its something that is difficult to understand
Just goes to show that that corporate speak doesn't work
TRUTH
@@BasedVegeta I couldn't agree more. While Death is a life-changing thing, its best to come to terms with it in order to understand it. Prime may have died due to corporate mandate and Megatron's opportunistic behavior, it ultimately reminded us that Death is an indifferent, but inevitable part of life.
Hot Rod himself i think is the realism to Optimus' Idealism. You know what I mean?
"If your going to shoot, shoot, don't talk" - The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"
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*Paul Mualdeave* "If you're..."
@@ayeflippum Hey, don't troll people that haven't had their coffee yet.
@@paulmualdeave5063 Blaming it on the caffeine? Is that what we're doing now?
Is that the movie that clip was from?
To save Optimus, Hot Rod threw himself at a superior opponent, one who had already proven willing and capable of killing Autobots. Hot Rod was willing to die to protect his leader. Only circumstance led to Prime's death instead of his own.
Whilst I fall into the middling crowd that says Hot Rod certainly contributes to Optimus' death... this.
Hot Rod was doing the right thing, perhaps in the wrong way, but this exposes both his greatest attributes (selflessness, heroism, strength of character) and some of his worst (impatience, recklessness and allowing feelings to dictate far too much).
This scene may show Hot Rod making a bad call but it also shows that he, unlike others, are willing to try to save Optimus' life. Nobody else is shouting 'Megatron has a gun!' are they?
And frankly without this scene we wouldn't see more of Hot Rod's character, that he becomes one of the on paper most successful leaders of all, perhaps THE most successful in the G1 cartoon, despite his mistake. The mistake propels him to make things right and he shows us how we can also make mistakes due to youthful impulse but we can strive to mature and do better.
Optimus is also a role model but he's fully formed. Someone to aspire to be. Hot Rod is on the journey. He's there to show us how to get there.
And again I think he does a better job than even Optimus at some points!
@@JeremiahEcks777 Said exactly what I was going to say but also really neat statement about optimus prime being fully formed. Its tragic but it is a goid part hot rod's character development
@@JeremiahEcks777 Kup: "Stay away, lad. Let Prime die".
Optimus: Takes a million years to walk over and pick up his gun, like a wrestler posing and bragging after hitting his finisher. Delivers a Megatronesque monologue instead of taking the the shot.
Bumblebee: Off on Moon Base 2 living his bromance dream with Spike.
OMG! BUMBLEBEE KILLED OPTIMUS PRIME!
@@Ouja Prime takes so long to get the gun because he's rather ripped up. He isn't running anywhere.
As far as the Megatron like monologue goes, it all comes down to the second Megatron is 'beaten' I.e. begs for mercy, Optimus is honour bound not to pull the trigger. For various reasons, and there are various, he can't shoot an unarmed opponent who has technically surrendered and is pleading for their life.
But Optimus fully knows Megatron is going for a gun, and he fully lets him because if Megatron does have a gun in his hand... well this time, one shall stand.
Hot Rod being there stops this becoming a reality but the truth is if Kup hadn't stood by and egged on Prime like a cheerleader and plugged Megatron from afar and had some other Autobots leant some help none of this would have happened. There is lots of blame to go around.
And yes almost certainly Bumblebee is to blame. 🤭
@@Ouja Actually it is: "That's Prime's fight!"
Always Loved & Defended Hot Rod! It wasn't him that killed Optimus Prime! It was Megatron, the writers & Hasbro!
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Kup told him stay out of the way and he didn't
I mostly blame Megatron since he manipulative. Hasbro is tied with for their mindset at that time. But, in a way, if Prime hadn't died, Hasbro wouldn't have had a reality check that day. At least, as far as I can tell
Ah hey man I was just being obnoxious and pulling good ol rodimus primal tailpipes lol who doesn't love Hotrod?! I was twelve or thirteen when I saw the movie about 2 yrs after it left theaters and Rod was the epitome of cool and everything I wanted to be... either that or kiefer southerland after watching lost boys
While I dont have grips with hotrod myself, if we start to blame writers for fictional characters (especially in his first appearance) badbehaviour then we should never blame or praise any characters for anything. I get the time where the character behave differently because of writers change but again it was his first appearance in this case.
Hot Rod decided to run at Megatron instead of shooting him. Classic Hot Rod. His hearts in the right place nonetheless.
Samuel Spencer The Transformers Movie was the first time kids back in the day experienced witnessing death in a kid's show
@@samuelspencer6016 You have to remember they literally killed Prime 4 seconds later.
But you didn't noticed that hotrod accidentally allowed megatron to survive otherwise both optimus and megatron would be dead always ungrateful classic megatron
@@samuelspencer6016 I was 9, and didn't have a father in my life, and I used leaders as surrogates like Optimus, Lion-O, Matt Tracker, Captian Picard, Etc........I was in the theater, and watched Prime's Death. When I walked out, I was pretty upset, and blamed Roddimus. Hated his character since. LoL I am still that angry child, and I freely admit it. I still see a Roddimus in the wild and give an audible "Unngghhh." LoL
or he could've said “PRIME HE'S GOT A GUN”
We're not mad at Star Lord for not killing Gamora we're mad at him for getting mad at Thanos & attacking him
Hey unlike prime star lord has no brain
(Nooooo offense)
You forget, it was part of the plan. Dr. Strange knew what was going to happen. He knew Star lord would punch Thanos. He knew this series of events was the one that would lead to their victory.
I hate blaming Star Lord because I'm a big Chris Pratt fan.
I believe he did it out of grief and anger. That is a human trait
@@connorbyrne9847 That's really all it is. And even if GotG Vol.2 is supposed to be only months after Vol.1, and therefore years before IW, just coz Quill dealt with the source of his abandonment issues, namely Ego and his indirectly killing of Meredith Quill, it's just not going to magically go away by then.
And people aren't seeing the dark parallels here. When he learns Thanos casually murdered Gamora for the stone, it hits Quill several times over. He's not just mad that Thanos killed Gamora. He saw Ego in Thanos, namely casually killing off a loved one of his, of THEIRS, for the sake of some grandiose esoteric master plan that makes sense only to the madman in question, who has the gall to be sad about it.
And people defend Tony's outburst at the end of Civil War when it's pretty obvious the whole motive he's emotionally compromised, as much as Cap is? It's what I like about Tony in that scene in IW. He's not getting mad at Quill for his screw up coz he himself is guilty of a similarly emotional outburst that was both understandable but no less misplaced, resulting in final nail in the coffin for the Avengers being assembled to beat Thanos the first time.
i NEVER blamed Hot Rod for what happen i blamed Megatron and i understood that it was an accident and i saw that Optimus never blamed him either so i had no reason to blame him too. i understand that the loss of Optimus greatly affected everyone me too but they shouldn't blamed him it wasn't his fault.
If Uncle Ben was a popular character, people would blame Peter Parker for his actions that got him killed. #HotRodDidNothingWrong
it was his fault. he was told to stay out of it and he did the opposite which lead to him not having a clear shot. its that simple
Megatron and Optimus had fought each other for millions of years and Megatron knew Optimus' psychology. He knew that Optimus would hesitate to finish him off if he pleaded for mercy. Optimus' own hesitation created an opening for Megatron to get the upper hand.
But Optimus responded and I quote "You are without mercy. Now, plead for it? I thought you were made of sterner stuff." Meaning, optimus was ready to put Megatron out for good until Hot Rod interfered.
@@detmstr341 I see your point but I think the moment Optimus picked up his rifle there should have been no words he should have just pulled the trigger. But, there is no telling what kind of emotions were going through his head at that moment.
@@cabbyteld399 Optimus should know Megatron has no mercy, only cares about total domination and conquest. Optimus should've learned from "Heavy Metal War" that Megatron used the powers of his decepticon troops, or cheated for short. So, Optimus should not trust Megatron for 1 second.
@@detmstr341 Typical Hot Rod hate, as this video points out, Optimus had soooo much time to pull that trigger. Even as a little kid watching the film I remember thinking "why doesn't Optimus shoot him now?"
@@KBomb86bescuse some ass hat deside we need to sell a new toy and went the lazy way about it
I mean that does explain it. Megatron murdered Prime. Maybe folks just wasn't ready for a new leader of the Autobots so...abruptly.
As a kid in 1986, I think we missed Optimus and we weren’t impressed with Rodimus’ lack of self-confidence.
@@CKN215 kind of like a new dad coming in to the family fresh after a divorce. It could led to hostility in the beginning.
Not to mention how much of a jackass hot rod was in g1
That’s Starscream kick to Megatron always makes me laugh
Turns out that was the killing blow
I read this comment as that part played
"How do you FEEL mighty Megatron? Hyeuaghah!"
Lmao yes, he deserves it!
This is bad comedy. Here's a hint!
Hot rod did nothing wrong , I personally love the character and was upset to learn that he was hated.
i love optimist , yet i was okay with Hot Rod leadership. I love Hot rod and his rhodimus prime also.
Hot Rod saved the autobots at autobot city by sighting the invasion early on. If the decepticon s had landed they would of tore the city apart from the inside. Easy to forget. Gave the autobots needed time to get help. So he wasn’t dumb just to full of a zeal toward a fight that didn’t involve him.
Well actually it was Daniel who let hot rod know that there was a hole in the shuttle
@@ronniethompsonRodimusPrime8464 good point. Awards to both 🙂
@@ronniethompsonRodimusPrime8464 Yes, but remember, it was Hot Rod's idea to watch the landing from lookout mountain instead of some random peak where Daniel wouldn't have noticed the hole in the shuttle.
@@ravenfal1496 I thought daniel was the one who had the idea.
@@JV-nm1fy "Why settle for a peek Daniel when you can see everything from look out montain"
Hot Rod, 2005(i like the way he says look out mountain)
I actually do agree with you, and I do like Hot Rod. But I understand why people are so mad. I'm glad Cyberverse treated him with respect.
I actually like cyberverse hot rod more than the g1 version
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@@ignite5329 It does portray a little bit of the G1 version, but in the wisest and best way possible in Cyberverse.
@@philipnapoli4468 i like how hot rod doesn't want to become rodimus and wants to wait to become prime
Hot Rod is kinda like the teenager that is all too eager to move on up.
He's actually one of my favorites
Seriously, every time I hear that I can't help but wonder what reality that person lives in, because it's not this one. Hot Rod was clearly trying to prevent Megatron from reaching the blaster that Optimus didn't see. And let's be honest, had Hot Rod not intervened, Megatron would have still reached the blaster because of his pleas to Optimus for mercy; even though Optimus was saying Megatron didn't deserve mercy, anyone who knows his character knows he's would still consider it no matter how dumb it may be, for better or worse with his big heart he wants to believe anyone can change for the better, meaning he still would have been taken out.
Yes, Hot Rod failed to save Optimus, but that's not the same as being the one who actually fired the blaster.
Also we how do we know that shooting Megatron would have killed him? Need I remind everyone that Megatron didn't actually die, he was near-death when he was rebuilt by Megatron, but shooting Optimus on the other hand is what killed him, who's to say that if Optimus did shoot Megatron (who per the G1 cartoon's backstory is a military robot) it doesn't kill him, and Megatron grabs the gun and starts shooting Optimus? Now Optimus is dead and Megatron's still functional
excellent point on the trying by the way, like, why are you people so obsessed with the fact that Hot Rod failed and never once consider his intentions?
@@weik-2936 I had never thought about the durability lol. Megatron was close to indestructible in the show
It certainly didn't help. Sure Megatron pulled the trigger, but if Hot Rod didnt get involved Prime would've pulled the trigger or arrested Megatron as some comics have said.
@@Rosewolf29 Comics made many years later by the same kind of people who just unthinkinly repeat the lie that Hot Rod killed Optimus and have an unjustified hatred for him. Like I said in my previous comment, Optimus's very character, always wanting to believe in the the chance for others to change not matter how impossible, means he would have hesitated long enough for Megatron to get off his shot.
Hot Rod was responsible… for revealing to the Autobots that the Decepticons hijacked the shuttle (b/f it landed), thus giving the Autobots time to transform Autobot City & radio Prime for reinforcements, but ppl don’t talk about that.
Yes! He bought time for the Autobots despite the Decepticons going for the gusto!
Anybody who truly blames Hot Rod didn’t actually know Optimus Prime. Prime was not going to blast Megatron away. Not unless Megatron actually aimed the gun at him.
Megs knew prime wouldn't shoot anyone to get at him he used primes weakness again st him
and megatron would certainly aim the gun at him, and thus optimus would have killed him.
but hotrod did the hotrod thing and got optimus killed.
@@sabin97 you're right since a comic called deviations basically explored the timeline in which optimus kills megatron cuz hot rod did not intervene
@@Salman-cx8ui the comics adaptation which came out before that show Megatron murdering Prime and Hot Rod wasn't even there. Stop using trash fanfiction comics as an argument. Had Optimus not wasted valuable time and actually shot Megs prior to Hot Rod showing up, he would have survived a little longer.
@@TheHeadNinjainComics which adaptation your talking about? the 87 version or the idw 2006?
Honestly, my only gripe with hotrod is that he came out of nowhere and became the next prime
That's because the matrix chooses who will be Prime. Not councils, not lines of succession, not a swayable voting base. Primus created the matrix to look for certain qualities. That's why we didn't get Magnus Prime.
@@Ouja I think he means that Hotrod making his debut in the film makes the choice to make him the next prime feel unearned whereas a pre established character may have felt more appropriate.
Exactly! He didn't bond with the audience or anything
Somebody should pay Big Man Tyrone to say "Hot Rod did nothing wrong"
I needed this retrospective. I love Hot Rod and never blamed him for the death of Optimus, but it's so grating to hear so many in the fandom say the opposite. Thank you for putting some respect back on a character who deserves it.
He's been my favorite character since seeing the film in theaters back in 1986. Yes, he's not perfect. But he had to grow through harsh experience.
If Hot Rod would have followed orders OP wouldn't have died. Just saying
@@madginger3634 not really because after the first shot megatron literally moved HotTod to the side Hot Rod covered about 20% of his body and Optimus is known for having very good aim but he still didn’t shoot because of his honor
@@madginger3634 Kup should've stopped hot rod himself instead of standing around like a blubbering idiot but he doesn't get any blame.
@@madginger3634 Can't follow an order that wasn't given and what makes you think Roddy heard what Kup said when he was focused on trying to help his commander and if you're referring to Optimus yelling to get out of the way, too late because Hot Rod was already in the grapple.
I'm guessing whoever wrote Transformers: Deviations were on the "I hate Hot Rod" bandwagon.
Exactly.
It was made with the hindsight and the already years since of fans blaming Hot Rod. Really, Prime would have died anyways, regardless whether Hot Rod intervened, because the writers and Hasbro planned to kill him already.
@@foldabotZ true
@@gandalflotr2898 They just made it partly Hot Rod's fault to add character drama for him as part of his Hero's Journey arc.
Not only Hot Rod the hated the entire Season 3 cast
Megatron was using any means possible, even by holding Hot Rod hostage while Hot Rod tried to save Optimus Prime from being shot. This was a low blow for Megatron!!!!
Megatron was always treacherous.
Finally someone defends my favorite transformer
I am defending your favorite Transformer because your favorite Transformer did not kill Optimus Prime it was Megatron was the one who did that to Optimus Prime Megatron was the one who killed Optimus Prime
I agree he did nothing wrong
@@RodimusMinor1987 it was destiny if he didn't interfere there would be no winner
@@greenbean325
Exactly
Which means hotrod was responsible for megatron's survival not optimus prime's death and interm responsible for galvatron's birth
'Prime would never simply kill with no remorse.'
True, but some media did an awful job at displaying that.
IDWverse anyone?
THIS Optimus Prime wouldn't but then he was written competently and interestingly - a paragon of virtue and a role model without him being dour, overtly preachy or boring.
The fact is nobody else can create a character half as iconic or consistent so when they get their hands on Optimus in new continuities, because they don't know how to write him true to the character and yet interestingly, they have to 'deconstruct' or 'modernise' rather than take a new character or less developed character and do what they want with that one.
I couldn't write this classic Prime myself, either. I would struggle to make him interesting. But that was the magic of G1 - Optimus, Megatron, Starscream, Bumblebee, Soundwave, Grimlock... the blend was magic in a bottle.
Prime still would have had remorse if he pulled the trigger.
@@tjl4688 But as Ray Venkman pointed out, IDW Optimus may or may not have remorse. Cartoon would of course and I think US / UK Marvel would too, and some IDW versions would but at some points, no, he wouldn't.
And as for Bayformers, we know he doesn't. He's a brutal vicious killing machine. Megatron tries to bury the hatchet (and I'm not sure it was entirely deceitful at that stage) and Optimus blasts his head off.
@@JeremiahEcks777 Bayformers are the worst version...
I love that they kept Optimus Prime true until the end. I doubt he didn't notice Megatron crawling towards something, which he knew was probably a weapon. I've always felt that Optimus was waiting for him to pick it up, so he could make an honorable kill. Hot Rod jumped in, which took away the clear shot. You could argue that Hot Rod's intervention caused the death of Optimus, but Hot Rod saw Megatron going for a gun and reacted. That's what plenty of other heroic Autobots have done. That moment spurred him on to greater heights, as he showed accountability and remorse for his rash action though. That really set the tone for his ascension to Autobot leader. At the end of the day Optimus died as he lived, as did Megatron. That scene proved why Optimus deserved our respect, and how dangerous Megatron could be when his back was against the wall. Still wish Optimus hadn't died, but I don't hate on Hot Rod for it.
I've always found it interesting that Rodimus Prime had to deal with the real challenges of leadership having to play the role of Head of State for the cybertronian government, leading the autobot forces against Galvatron and his Decepticon remnant along with the quintessons, he also had to play Diplomat with other alien races as well as having to live up to his predecessors name. With Optimus we never actually got to see him go through any of those challenges, we just see him led the Autobots against the Decepticons and doing some negotiation with the humans. perhaps early on after Orion Pax became Optimus Prime he had to deal with similar challenges particularly having to live up to his predecessor Sentinel Prime.
Sheesh try saying that five times fast
Yeah but TF canon tend to make all leaders before Optimus Ineffective, Fascistic, Corrupt or all three.
@@Fenris30 The G1 cartoon Sentinel Prime was actually a successful leader because he defeated the Decepticons which resulted in Cybertron going into a golden age that lasted 9 million years until the Decepticon threat re-emerged under the newly-created Megatron, the new Decepticon threat probably wasn't widely known since the death of Sentinel Prime being kept quiet which would explain why dockworkers Orion Pax Ariel and Dion were caught off guard when Megatron attacked them at the warehouse.
@@Fenris30 That’s more of an IDW trope.
My question was who did Rodimus and the autobots think they were to negotiate peace between two factions of another warring race of robots. While being at war with the decepticons themselves. But that whole storyline of the quints fomenting tensions on both sides just to sell weapons. I thought that was some deep and complex story telling for a kids show.
This seriously might be your best video. You really summed up the story of Rodimus character growth in the movie. OUTSTANDING!
Hot Rod did not kill Optimus. Optimus Prime as you said was like a father figure to the Autobots and humans alike. Even the Decepticons including Megatron had great respect for him despite the fact Megatron is a bad guy. Hot Rod instinctively and on impulse did what he did to try to save Optimus. He did not want to see a fellow Autobot let alone one that is a father figure to all Autobots die. Unfortunately Optimus died and that was something Hot Rod had to deal with when he became the new leader of the Autobots.
Being named Rod I never liked people going after Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime!
I never blamed Hot Rod for Prime's death. So glad I was a teenager when I saw TF the movie in theaters. Even though it had it's animation faults, nothing will ever replace G1.
Some think that the reason so many fans consider g1 the best transformers is because they grew up with the g1 series and nostalgia factor, i say that they're wrong, i NEVER grew up whatching g1 not even feel nostalgia for it, and even i consider it the best of the franchise
I was 8 when I saw this and I still faulted Optimus for his death.
It's arguable that Megatron's blaster was hidden from Optimus' sight, even up until Hot Rod tackles him, based on the art layout of the rubble.
Yeah, that's basically the idea. The blaster is hidden from Prime's view - Hot Rod jumps in, which is why Hot Rod notices it and pounces: "NOOOO you don't Megatron!!". Rod isn't strong enough and gets overpowered.
Hot Rod's journey from reckless Autobot warrior to responsible leader was one of the best. I never hated him for the death of Optimus. Instead, I could relate to him.
Honestly, I really think they should bring the idea of Hot Rod becoming Rodimus back to Transformers.
I like flawed heroes more than perfect ones, and I could see Rodimus being more like Optimus Primal from Beast Wars - While he cares strongly about his fellow 'Bots, he would often find himself struggling to handle the responsibilities that have been thrust upon him.
Over time, however, Rodimus, guided by his predecessors, would embrace his role and becomes the hero that his fellow bots need as he leads them to victory.
well how about thinking of a good idea
Back? where's it been? the Prime trilogy used Rodimus, so did IDW so I'm not seeing where it's been to come back from.
No
They had the perfect opportunity for this in TF Prime but instead they just upgraded Optimus. Those wings he got if colored yellow could've really worked for a Rodimus Prime design.
It was Megatron's fault for killing Optimus Prime not Hot Rod.
@@BasedVegeta Then we'll keep bringing this fact like the matrix's healing properties for the Red Hate Plauge
@@BasedVegeta Did you tell Thundercracker he sucks?
With or without Hotrod, Optimus was going to died. It was suppose to be like that and play out in the Marvel comic book.
@@BasedVegeta Please I want to see his reaction!!!
@@BasedVegeta Fine then you arent my favorite decepticon anymore.. Its SOUNDWAVE now!
If the gun wasn't there for Megatron, he wouldn't have had an advantage to beating Optimus Prime. There you have it it was Megatron who killed Optimus!
Aside from the aim.
protosilver 97 I suppose
It's the guns fault
@@greenbean325 Well it’s like Rodimus Primal said, “it was Megatron who used it and as Galvatron, he admitted he was the murderer (twice)!
I never fell into the camp that blamed Hot Rod, Prime's honor and Megatron's treachery would have lead to the same outcome. Hot Rod only added to the mix.
Totally agree. It was a learning experience for him very much like Bruce Wayne having his parents leave the theater early in Batman Begins.
Sorry I disagree because I feel that if Hot Rod didn’t interfere I feel Optimus Prime would have blasted Megatron the moment he picked up the hidden gun. Megatron killed Optimus Prime because of Hot Rod’s bad decision.
@Luis Zamudio you’re right! I’m not a fan of Rodimus Prime.
Kevin McNulty You took the words right out of my mouth.
Yeah maybe the writers want us to hate hot rod
“Hot Rod did NOT kill Optimus Prime!”
G1 fans that are still angwy at Hot Rod for “killing” Optimus Prime: *I’m gonna pretend I didn’t hear that*
This is why my trust for the fandom of transformers is met with some...conflicted emotions.
I KNOW it wasn't Hot Rod's fault, and you my friend proved it very well. Even more so than I have stated with your examples as well
@@BasedVegeta Yes TRUST, because there are fans that understand and the only stupid side I see are the ones that still hold Hot Rod accountable to Optimus' death to this day. My TOLERANCE is trying to ignore the idiots that still think badly of Hot Rod
I'm pro Optimus, but he had all the time in the world to kill Megatron.
Again this is g1 not master of face ripping
@@BasedVegeta I didn't even start thinking about this until recently.
@@Two-Bit1510 But this is the movie. The movie was way more violent than usual.
@@BasedVegeta We are all sorry for our idiocy, Lord Starscream.
@@Two-Bit1510 And? Megatron should have been killed anyway.
They were fighting a war. Megatron won cause he actually used strategy and fought like a real soldier.
Optimus was in the face of the man who murdered his friends and hesitated. Thus giving megatron the chance.
It was all on optimus.
Amuro ray didn't fought like kira Yamato cause he's an actual soldier not hesitating to shoot down enemy.
Funny enough there is a Gundam manga set in UC where the main character acts like Kira does and it backfires and only gets more people on her side killed.
Personally, I never thought Optimus would've blasted Megatron, at least not while he was beaten and unarmed. As Dinobot would say, it's a coward's victory.
Megatron: at fault. Hot Rod: Innocent.
Hot rod still gets fed to the sharticons lol cuz they say Innocent then the person gets eaten lol
Agreed
Exactly.
That was by the quintession.
Me:feed him to the sharkticons
Yeah Hot Rod never killed Optimus Prime and I really enjoyed Hot Rod's transformation into Rodimus Prime.
SPEEAK
@@AGuyNamedGray Well, Hot Rod was trying to prevent Megs from shooting Optimus but he lost his grip and Megatron got the better of Hot Rod. And somewhat later in the film, Hot Rod helped the Autobots gain more allies in the form of Wreck-Gar and his fellow Junkions. That really showed that Hot Rod was indeed worthy of the Matrix. He was bringing everyone together as a team, just like a leader.
@@JJPrimeReviews2020 I think hasbro just needed a new line of toys.
Exactly
My view optimus should have moved in to help hot rod
I don’t blame Hot Rod, but I do believe that once Megatron raised his gun, Optimus would’ve shot him. Which would explain why he told Hot Rod to get out of the way because he knew Megatron was going for his gun and was preparing to fire on him before he could fire it.
Still it wasn’t Hot Rod’s fault. Ultimately Megatron pulled the trigger, killing his former friend in cold blood.
Little hard to move away whike in a headlock though
The comic adaptation clears this up though. Optimus didn't know Megatron had a gun. The comic shown at 4:01 shows what would've happened if Hot Rod wasn't there to interfere. It made no difference.
@@D.Lewis_ the marvel comic one that has allmost zero ties to g1 or the movie
Sorry... I don't understand your logic... Optimus Prime didn't know about the gun until Hot Rod stepped and the struggle began. If Optimus knew about the gun before, he would've shot Megatron much earlier rather than let Megatron plead and reach for it.
Hot Rod tried to save Optimus's life. He took the initiative while people like Kup stayed away.
“Now you might’ve seen Megatron crawling towards something ITS A GUN.” That sounded hilarious to me
Rodimus Prime is a legendary character, is thanks to him that I learned to love the Transformers franchise
Same my favourite character
Ditto.
Also is blue and she actually helped her leader
@@greenbean325 What
“One shall stand, and one shall fall.”
*Both falls*
Well technically megatron lives
Well I mean, Optimus is more saying 'I'm gonna take you out today. No more chances.' Which is rather ironic considering it IS a chance he gives Megatron which leads to his undoing (albeit I feel Optimus was in the right...).
On the other hand as other poster has said, Megatron kinda does survive... although he kinda falls off the side of the platform and again in space so...
If hotrod didn't do anything they both would be dead
I guess don't blame hotrod for optimus prime's death but megatron's survival
@@greenbean325 I honestly believe if Hot Rod had not ran out, Optimus would have pulled the trigger and Megatron would be dead.
But as long as Megatron stayed unarmed and pleaing, Optimus couldn't take that shot.
Hot Rod wasn't the reason Optimus died, just like half the universe being dust is Star-Lord's fault, especially since Doctor Strange knew that would happen.
Totally agree. I been saying this for years and citing many of the same reasons - monologuing, Prime’s honor, Megatron not actually using Hot Rod as a shield and, of course, Megs actually pulling the trigger.
If you ask me the Marvel comic book death Of Optimus Prime was much brutal dramatizing then the 1986 movie. Imagine you as a child reading that comic seeing Optimus blow up like that.
Hot Rod wanted to save Optimus Prime, case closed.
Hot rod failed but nobody hate him much cuz the ss 86 toy is super good
Sometimes the greatest tragedies come from the best intentions.
Ironic
"The worst things come from the best intentions" a modified jp3 quote
And got him killed in the process.
Now it's closed
I think there is enough blame to spread around to all three of them. Obviously Megatron was the one to kill Optimus, and he was shown here in the Movie to not be holding back at all. He was out to kill all the Autobots and Optimus must have known this. Hot Rod was too eager to try to defend Optimus and not strong enough to take on Megatron physically. Hot Rod should have called out a warning or tried to shoot at Megatron with his wrist lasers. Even if he missed, it could have distracted Megatron and let Optimus fire. And as for Optimus, he was too honorable for his own good. He had time to fire before Hot Rod interfered but did not take the shot. Even if he didn't see the gun at first, he should have know Megatron was up to something and just ended it there.
FINALLY PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME THAT IT WASN'T RODIMUS
Rodimus is honestly probably one of my favorite tf characters
Me2!
I’m number three
Optimus and Rodimus are my two favorites.
Grimlock is mine the movie in question is why
Optimus Prime couldn´t handle the Decepctions in one planet, while Rodimus Prime was in charge of two planets and the security of an entire galaxy
What really killed Optimus Prime is his sense of honor. It's been two times his honor got the best of Prime before his final battle with Megatron. In the Ultimate Doom [ part 1 ] Megatron convinced Prime to use Megatron's device to bring Cybertron to earth's orbit & in Megatron's Master Plan [ part 1 ] Prime accept the fate the Judge gave him & the Autobots. Prime's sense of honor is greatest strength as well his greatest weakness. True Megatron pull the trigger [ 3x's ] on to Optimus but it's Prime's honor got him kill not Hot Rod. He see the gun Optimus didn't only thing Hot Rod is trying to do is stopping Megatron. True that Hot Rod should yell at Prime that Megatron going for Blitzwing's gun but I don't think that Prime would hear Hot Rod.
I know the fandom has there disagreements, but hot rod/rodimus prime will be hands down my favorite character hot rod represents young vets like myself ages 18-25, learning from past mistakes to become better human beings, learn to overcome, regardless optimus was to gullible and would of been shot regardless of hot rod interference,
I wished ratchet, prowl, wheeljack, and gears never died in the g1 movie
how'd U know Gears died (or rather, was planned to appear dead) in the 86 movie? remember, Hasbro had seen those characters (Prowl, Ratchet, Gears, Wheeljack) as just toys & those toys were discontinued; why did the movie have to show us Prowl vomit smoke as he died (& why did we have to see the corpses of both Wheeljack & Windcharger during the Battle for Autobot City); are those the only ones you wished didn't die in the movie?
@@SSRuiz the only autobots i wished never died in the g1 movie were ratchet, prowl, wheeljack, and windcharger
@@harrishyatt6283 ok; why those 4? & why'd you mention Gears?
@@harrishyatt6283 believe it or not (tho you might be aware of this), other Autobots were planned to appear dead in the 86 movie (as seen in storyboards); Mirage was killed by Megatron during the Battle after attacking Bombshell, Trailbreaker was already dead during the battle as his corpse was seen on the ground, Tracks (possibly) & Red Alert were shot in the back by the Constructicons (Sideswipe was there with them, but he didn't die)
@@SSRuiz i meant to say windcharger
I always knew that Hot Rod shouldn't be blamed for Optimus prime's death. All fans should know that.
Hot rod/Rodamus is my favorite character. After he opens the matrix and begins the destruction of unicron and he runs up and Daniel notices him and he say "autobots! Transform and roll out!" It's my favorite part of the whole movie
Megatron: shoots optimus prime
Everyone else: WTF HOT ROD U KILLED HIM
Hot rod who’s the only one trying to save optimus prime:I WAS TRYING TO SAVE HIM
Optimus was going to died even if Hot Rod didn’t get in the way. Originally he was suppose to died without him butting in and it was play out in the marvel comic book.
But they retconed that in a new comic when hot rod didn’t jump in Optimus survived
@@h2osavage693 Its not a retcon..but an alternate dimension like storyline
@@h2osavage693 no, it was like that because "the plot demands it", but even then, realisticly, optimus would've died even without hoy rod there. The person who made that comic just hates hot rod for no reason.
And that comic SUCKED. Hot Rod acted like an unlikable prick, and pretty much all the new characters for the movie died during the events that unfolded.
It was clearly written by people who were still butthurt over what happened.
@@ilikethecokev2 exactly.
Okay, I’m convinced it wasn’t his fault now, it only took 14 years since I saw this movie to change my mind
I don't think Rot Rod killed Optimus, Since I don't know him much, but surely, I know Megatron *was* the one who killed him.
I said that to myself Hot Rod never was the one responsible for the death of Optimus Prime. The one who killed him was his Uncle, Megatron. Therefore, Megatron is the one to blame.
Edit: It's "myself" a typo went in
Personally I blame Megatron for killing Optimus Prime when he shot him with that gun 4 times.
The same people that blame Hot Rod for killing Prime are the same type that believe Daniel Larusso was the real bully in Karate Kid. It’s fun to think about but the arguments fall apart pretty easily.
Glad I’m not the only one who defend Hot Rod
I've been doing it for over 35 years
Ditto!
Hot Rod didnt kill Optimus, he was trying to help!! It was destiny!!
And evil corporate executives with their greed.
It was destiny 2 if you get the reference
I like this topic because it reminds me of star wars. There is often topics like "What if Luke Skywalker listened to Yoda and did not confront Vader early and instead stayed back to finish his training? Would luke have beaten the Emperor and Darth Vader singlehandedly and come off as a bad ass rather than a brave underdog who loses? " The whole point of Rodimus having to fail is that you learn from mistakes to become the badass you are. This is the same reason Cobra Kai is popular because insecure teenagers can relate to being bulied by stronger kids and so to gain an edge they take up martial arts.
Audiences like the underdog story because they WERE that kid. So in similar fashion Hot Rod is optimus prime when he was still learning as naive like Orion Pax. Rodimus spends the whole time being a brave underdog much like Luke Skywalker before he managed to overcome his impatience which pissed yoda off so much because his dad Anakin also had this problem of being too impulsive and unable to control his emotions in battle rather than keep his cool. In a way Hotrod is supposed to be the "Dan Larusso" from Karate Kid but for Transformers. By the end we fully expect him to learn from his mistakes; overcoming impulsive behavior and becoming a stoic leader like Optimus, and so it really didn't matter because the fight ended in a stalemate where megatron kills prime but optimus damages him enough for starscream to finish him off later.
Just because Rodimus isn't as competent as Prime doesn't mean he won't have potential to equal him later. Yes he is partially to blame for his impulsive behavior but as I have said in another comment section the fans didn't have the same hatred for Luke Skywalker when he failed that they do for Hot Rod. It's becoming annoying to see this much hate because we all know the reason so many character got killed was so the toy company can sell new toys.
And don't forget if ultra magnus, prime and hotrod all fail there is always Grimlock. Remember how he led in the marvel comics? I think that would be an interesting story to explore. If the autobots were led by a caveman and all the weak autobots who are cowards were forced to leave the team and only strongest ones were allowed to give orders? Think of it like if Conan the Barbarian was leading the Transformers and instead of fighting for justice and freedom he just conquered the decepticons and beat them at their own game y just being better warriors than they are and established a monarchy where everyone must bow to the king? Would the people be free? No. But would they feel safe? Yes. Since Grimlock just kills whoever doesn't agree with him. This was the biggest problem people had with Optimus Prime. They were sick of seeing him let Megatron escape battles simply because Optimus Prime wouldn't pull the damn trigger after winning a battle. Now if Grimlock was in charge he would execute Megatron without a a thought and Ironhide wouldn't have to whine and complain about the leader going too soft on the bad guys. Think of all the energon cubes saved from just capturing megatron, imprisoning him and no longer having to prolong the war because the leader is under your control? You could argue to fans that although Rodimus can be blamed for recklessness, Optimus Prime can be blamed for not finishing the job. Grimlock on the other hand? He might be better than either of the two primes despite having cruel and unusual punishment of his enemies. (because he would end the war faster than optimus prime by killing or capturing the bad guy so that he can't continue to roam free and conquer the galaxy. Luke had a reason to not kill Vader. Vader was his Dad! No such problem with transformers since megatron is not related to autobots.)
I've always said Hot Rod could have saved Optimus had he simply blasted Megatron from where he was instead of foolishly bum rushing a far more powerful and experienced warrior. But Optimus was probably screwed either way due to hesitation.
What if Hotrod missed
@@RodimusMinor1987 Would have distracted Megatron long enough for Optimus to pull the trigger.
@@lonedragon3261 Or distracting Optimus and giving Megatron the opportunity to get rid of Prime.
@@metal_fusion
Another thing what if hotrod was out of ammo
Honestly, this is such an amazing explanation about all this.
It really annoys me seeing everyone make jokes about Hot Rod being “responsible” for Prime’s death. I, obviously, when seeing this scene, I also knew he just wanted to help. This video was very in depth, and I love it!
People say Hotrod killed him not caused his death killed him, how does that logic work
Great video!!!! I've always loved Rodimus Prime/ Hot Rod, and from the get go; understood that he felt unbelievable guilt and blamed himself for Optimus's death. It was a great story element, really. It made Rodimus's character that much better and easier to accept as the successive leader of the Autobots.
I'm glad to have found another Rodimus Prime fan. I wholeheartedly agree with what you said, and never blamed Hot Rod. I wish he would have got better treatment than he was given. One of my favourite story arcs was from the marvel comics, the space pirates saga. It was a great Rodimus/Hot Rod saga.
which arc and issue. I am a G1 fan was shocked at the death but love thought hot rod was a great leader. Surprise to find the hate for him so prevalent. wonder if they made hot rod a frenchie in the bay verse.
They tried to give bumblebee the leadership role but he doesn’t quite work like hot rod did.
@@willt3223 marvel uk issues 182 to 189 if I remember correctly.
Transformers fans: reads title
Also Transformers fans: Say sike right now!
SIKE. hot rod sucked. Give me my Optimus.
@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE Agreed!
Fuck you guys rodimus isn't the one that killed optimus!!!!
@@SWIFTO_SCYTHE
He was young and inexperienced, Optimus was a moron who monologued instead of shooting he had 9 seconds before Hotrod arrived use your brain if you have one
Prime choked and got wasted for it. The end.
HotRods design is awesome, but we still blaming him. The fact that we still love this movie almost 40 yrs later is a statement of how awesome it is. What a blessing to have seen this movie as a kid and the impact it left us.
If I had seen Hot Rod become Rodimus Prime to fight Galvatron, I would have just said, “YES! AVENGE OPTIMUS PRIME HOT ROD! AVENGE HIIIIM!!!”
You made some valid points and I agree that Hot Rod should not be blamed for the actions that Megatron did. Lessons can be taught in a variety of ways, in some cases it’s through unfortunate, painful experiences. But if you can learn from them and help those who are experiencing similar circumstances, then I feel you have truly closed that hard chapter of your life.
Hot Rod try to help Optimus Prime, but Megatron had the upper hand. He might had felt responsible for Prime's death, but he was able to push through. Hot Rod rose up from the ranks becoming Rodimus Prime, defeating Galvatron and Unicron.
I get your point and I never thought he "killed him" I was just mad at Megatron for killing prime cause he's my favorite. But great video.
Megatron: *blasts Optimus to death*
Fans: why would Rodimus do this?
Found your channel and I'm loving it. I also loved Rodimus Prime. It made so much sense to me as a kid seeing this in theaters. Of course no one wanted to see Optimus die, but I remember the audience cheering at the end for Hot Rod's transformation and hearing Optimus' voice one last time( or so we thought). Great video!
He sure didn’t help him.. lol
He tried and failed. But Prime should have pulled the trigger when he had the chance.
what if you saw someone you like in danger what would you do
I feel that Prime would've died either way, regardless of if Hot Rod tried to help or not? The only reason he did try to help was so he would wrongfully feel guilty for Primes demise, to help him become a better leader then if he hadn't.
So basically optimus prime is kat from halo reach
Yup by the looks of it
They always like to say "Why didn't Hot Rod shoot at Megaton" or "Hot Rod wasn't thinking straight"
1. Hot Rod most likely depleted his energy from shooting down the hijacked Autobot Shuttle and helping fend off the Deception's Full Scale assualt of Autobot City.
2. Hot Rod was probably exhausted from having to defend Autobot CIty for hours. Having to fight for that long with so much destruction and death can take a toll on anybody.
What I'm saying is that give Hot Rod a break. It's easy to think rationally as a spectator of the battle, but imagine being there.
Sounds like a hot rod apologist
Hot rod dose not deserve the hate he gets
Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime has always been one of my favorite Autobots. Which is why I despise his Movie incarnation because it feels too much like a disservice to the character.
True he was trying to help Optimus prime he didn't know
I don’t get all the hate Hotrod gets. He’s one of my favorite characters. Right up there with Prime and Jazz. He’s just cool. And hey, it’s just a cartoon y’all.
I would’ve suggested Optimus perform a shoot and roll technique but I realized autobots never received military training like the decepticons did..
If they would have kept that dialogue in the film, then Hot Rod would not have been so hated. I always argued that his own troops would have jumped in because they were like family and they loved and respected Optimus. To me, I felt that the others were like star-struck and the only one that actually thought to do something was Hot Rod. I did not enjoy that what if comic either. I saw the contempt as well. If I wrote one like that, I would have Optimus live, but recovering from his wounds. He would have somehow known that Hot Rod was the next matrix bearer. He could not let many know, but there were some in his close ranks that would know. I would have had him mentor Hot Rod giving him a clue that he was destined for something better.
that and most of them were already dead
Finally some one giving hot rod respect
You know, there is something that unsettles me in the hatred Hot Rod receives from many fans. Some fans say that Hot Rod was well-written in the '86 movie, but he wasn't that good in season 3 (mainly because of repetitive character writing) and I'm perfectly fine with it (I even agree with it a bit), because those people actually judged him as a character should be judged (by his writing). However, other people say "HoT rOd Is ThE wOrSt TrAnSfOrMeRs ChArAcTeR oF aLl TiMe BeCaUsE hE kIlLeD oPtImUs PrImE" and they legitimately mean it and this unsettles me. According to those people, Hot Rod's personality and character devopment are not criteria for the quality of his character. In other words, according to these people, Hot Rod is a bad character because he screwed up ONCE, and apparently whether his character arc is good or bad is irrelevant to whether or not his character is good or bad. People for some reason seem to forgive really easily characters like Vegeta and Omni-man, characters who have taken intentionally so many lives and willingly committed atrocities, but when Hot Rod ACCIDENTALLY screws up ONCE -and remember, he wanted to HELP- and then spends an entire movie feeling guilt for it and trying to redeem himself he is somehow "BeYoNd ReDeMpTiOn AnD tHe WoRsT tRaNsFoRmErS cHaRaCtEr Of AlL tImE". And before someone gets the wrong idea, Vegeta and Omni-man ARE great characters with great character arcs. Hot Rod's character arc is about not letting your mistakes define you and it buffles me how people keep missing the point of that character arc. Optimus Prime is my favourite fictional character of all time and seeing him die was heartbreaking, but I never blamed Hot Rod for his death. Hot Rod was just trying to help, hE WASN'T even the one who shot Optimus while screaming "Fall! Fall!". When Optimus spoke through the Matrix, it felt not only like a satisfying conclusion to Hot Rod's character arc, but also a response asking Optimus for forgiveness. Optimus forgave Hot Rod and didn't judge him for his one mistake. In other words, lots of the hate Hot Rod received from many of the fans is idiotic and pretentious.
However, since I want to end this gigantic comment on something positive that most of us will agree with, IDW Hot Rod/Rodimus is an absolute chad!
Thanks for that great video Rodimus Primal.
IDW version is my favorite too
@@kirayoshikage728 You my friend have good taste.
It’s definitely Megatron’s fault. Megatron would’ve tried to shoot Optimus with or without Hot Rod’s involvement.
The first time I saw the ‘80s Transformers movie (which was around the start of the Prime era), I never blamed Hot Rod for Optimus’ death. I was barely familiar with G1 at that point, but, I still knew better than to blame Hot Rod for something that clearly wasn’t his fault. I wasn’t even aware of the hate he got until years later. Now that I know, I don’t think it’s fair he’s treated that way. Give Hot Rod a break, people!
TLK Hot Rod: french accent lol
I still like his accent it's good and makes him distinctive. Unlike siege where all characters sound the same
More like they don't want to pay the better voice actors.
I see no issue of giving the transformers country accent. It’s like having a problem with a Asian talking in English language
Yep ,tlk hot rod was a pretty decent character
Not everything has to be 'g1 accurate"
@@cheifchimney5392 dont make me think that .lol
@@IntheL1ght Didn't the company specifically goof over some standard voice actors & go with non-guild actors?
I’m always been team hot rod on this
I never blamed Hot Rod. Prime shouldn't have monologed and just dangled him over the edge of the rubbish until he surrendered.
As a 23 year military veteran, I can say with 100% certainty that there are MANY Hot Rods in the Armed Forces lol. They usually mature into great leaders :-)
That's awesome! Thank you for your service too! Till all are one!
@@RodimusPrimal you are very welcomed! I did the Coast Guard and would do it all over again. Thanks for the great videos!
Hot rod was always my favorite and I don't blame him for what happened he was only trying to help when prime could not see what Megatron was going to do
"blasts him 3 times." four shots hit Optimus. 4:20
I Miss Rodimus Prime, i hope we can see his leadership again in a future.
I totally agree, Rodimus. The hero's journey shouldn't continue to be taken from Hot Rod but developed and he should be allowed to grow. I have to respectfully say that I was so very disappointed by how he was characterized in The Last Knight. He was so very unlike himself. And he could have had a French cultural influence, but he could have been a lot more defined as an individual with some finesse and his established personality, without so much parody. There is too much of characters and stories being forced into a specific direction, so that people are given a narrative that it's *assumed* that they want, if you get my drift. All it does though is ruin the story overall.
To this day I still hate how rodimus development was thrown away after a burden hardest to bare with troop written by diehard optimus prime fans and spat all on rodimus. Optimus and optimus should've been leaders,but no rodimus is an idiot and let a plague let rip. A competent writer wouldn't have made rodimus do that. Despite his respect for prime he by this point would've realised somethings wrong.
I only hated primes return as it meant no more rodimus.
The world just wasn't ready.