busyrand That's true, and I do not promote “fetusdeletion” but no woman will accept the state controlling her body and denying us access to reproductive healthcare, either. 2/3rds of the country supports access to it in one form or another, and we are winning even in the reddest states.
For many, this wasn’t about Trump or race at all, at least not in the traditional sense. It was a big FU to a Dem party that abandoned the working class, does the bidding of corporate overlords, and uses identify politics to divide the country by propagandizing their base. It was about freedom - the freedom to think and speak freely beyond the dictates of woke ideologues. It was about sanity around notions of gender and keeping children safe from bodily mutilation and sterilization. It was about common sense law and order, at the border and in our cities, where progressive policies led to spikes in crime.
It's not just the party, but also certain activist led groups on the left. We have to hold them accountable, just as we do with the party. Unless we get comfortable pushing back against the shameless woke entitlements of such people, there will always be a demand for the party to fulfill. And no, they have all the freedom to be entitled and narcissistic. Please don't make excuses for them like they do not have the freedom to think.
@ Agree with your first point, but I think you misinterpreted something. I meant that the woke activists want to curtail others’ freedom to speak and think outside their notions of what’s acceptable, which I vigorously reject.
@@bucketsofmoonbeams 😅my bad, I used to be sympathetic to such people. When they are oversensitive, and in turn we try to be protective of their feelings, it ends up in curtailing the freedoms of those with different viewpoints. Worse, “microaggressions” get weaponized, and such oversensitive people will turn on you for something trivial that you don't even realize you've done, even if you've defended them all along. But I've changed, and pro-free speech now. 😊✌🏻✨
I am African American and I am always amazed by the assessments of Black people. Why would you think that Arabs & Latinos just “don’t like Black people” when they both voted for Obama TWICE. Maybe the Arabs were actually concerned about their own people getting blown to shit. Maybe Hispanics were actually disgruntled with the economy. Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t about YOU.
If you've been following this journalist's work for the past two years then you know that he's been traveling the country talking and listening to voters of all kinds. Even the first iteration of this Chicago trip included several Trump voters whom he spoke w/. I don't think that Harris voters are inherently clueless about why she lost. Your comment suggests that only people who voted for Trump (or whomever else) have any insight into why people voted for someone else. That doesn't follow. Harris voters might, for instance, have followed her campaign closely and thus may be particularly aware of her shortcomings. Many people who voted for Harris were less than pleased w/ parts of her platform, they were just more pleased than displeased, 51/49-- same w/ lots of Trump voters. I think what makes more sense to say is that if you want to know why people didn't vote for Harris that you should ask a broad cross-section of voters about why they made their choices, starting w/ Trump voters but not stopping there.
To be fair this podcast has talked to a lot of people who voted for Trump and asked them why -- has done an excellent job reporting on both sides of this.
Nice deflection from the actual data. 100,000,000 people who are eligible to vote chose not to vote. It's not that a majority is voting Republican, it's a massive STRONG majority who've decided not to participate in a system that has never once served anyone except the filthy rich since WW2 ended. Why aren't dems attracting the overwhelming majority of Americans?
Precisely. You can’t buy food, pay medical bills, afford college, stem the flood of increasing costs with „joy.“ Joy was on offer by the establishment dems because it doesn’t force their bankrollers to contribute their fair share to a greater society. Joy appealed only to those who are doing well financially and thus are more concerned with issues such as decorum or cultural topics.
It's true but Dems can't do anything but fluff. They have to hide that they are there to support capitalism as much as the GOP is. It's where Kamala's word salads come into play too.
It's interesting to me that the same people who admit to voting for a candidate solely because they have the same skin color are the ones complaining that other people won't vote for a candidate with different skin color. Just an observation.
I am a lifelong democrat from an urban blue city and state that voted my first red ticket. I will never vote for another democrat again. I am so happy to have the right information as I listened to DJT myself, finally not hearing clips and distorted versions of the truth. I consume both sides of podcasts, unlike you, low information voters, who only listen to one side. My kids aren't white. I'm an activist and nurse. I'm an academic. I'm none of the things you say is a problem. The problem are the lies from the media. Once we realize how you've lied even once about Trump, we seek out more. The "good people on both sides lie" lead to all the others and now we are warriors fighting this war against the media and their lies. We want to know why you are so insistent on lying about President Trump and we figure it's because he threatens the elite class and their economic superiority. The working class knew they needed elites to run against other elites. Democrat party is now filled with the educated who have the money. It's the corporate and Hollywood elite party. And Republicans are now the counter culture and working class party. Black and brown elites are still elites. This is a class war.
this is interesting. Trump is part of the elite as are all members of Congress (both parties). Help me understand the logic a bit, ok? Are you suggesting the GOP is now working to pass legislation that empowers the working class? If so, can you direct me to legislation passed on the state level that supports that? The GOP is consistent and operates from the party platform so any legislation from a GOP led state would work. I only have FL for reference and the legislation here has not been for the working class.
If Trump was some focal point of a working class struggle he wouldn't be a GOP nor a Democrat get real, no politician from these current parties will ever bare that torch. The working class through struggle in their workplace and in solidarity with other workers has a way higher chance of doing anything than two billionaire funded parties. Why would someone in the 1880s trust a Rockefeller backed candadicy over that of a Vanderbilt funded one.
@@Dana-pq7ke billionaires and moneyed interests, who massively fund BOTH parties, are not interested in class war, atleast not the kind of class war your rhetoric seems to be loosely signaling towards.
Since the other comments are pure spite, the honest answer is that people who are relatively comfortable have the luxury of pursuing their ideals. "Political hobbyists," as they've been dubbed (not that I would ever deserve that label, nosiree) unfortunately then expect that folks can be convinced to their side through the righteousness of their viewpoint, rather than appealing to self interest.
This loss was not about race, or about women's rights, or about any of the Democrats claim it was about. It was strictly about class and Democrats somehow elevated themselves above the working and middle class.
I know this sounds uncharitable, but I come here for guidance, lucid insight, and expert analysis, not to hear this guy's family do a bunch of random speculating and spitballing. I've got my own family for that, thanks very much.
Exactly. 90% of my family members are Democrats and these are the exact same clueless conversations they have amongst each other while my sister-in-law and I, the two defectors who voted Trump, have to keep quiet so as not to out ourselves. They have no interest in hearing why people actually voted for Trump, especially if we aren’t white men so they can’t label us as racist or misogynists. I’m married to a Mexican man, have lived in Mexico for the past four years, and have hosted Venezuelan migrants in my spare apartment but if I try to bring up the humanitarian disaster that has been Biden’s border policy my family will immediately start questioning which news sources I’m listening to or tell me how Mexico is full of Russian propaganda. None of them speak Spanish, know a single migrant, or know anything about cartels beyond what they’ve seen in Breaking Bad, yet suddenly I’m the xenophobic racist for suggesting that we shouldn’t let caravans of gang-led foreigners wander across our borders.
@ this isn’t the front page of the New York Times. this podcast is dedicated to qualitative, impressionistic takes from voters on the election. personally, while I don’t really agree with the takes from the family members, I still really like this episode. There are many other podcasts about so-called expert analysis. I would recommend watching those, respectfully.
It's even crazier cuz they are trying to win a popularity contest. Like, what did you think all the rest of us thought about black women? Presidential ain't the first word that comes to mind....
Well for me, I don’t vote based on what someone looks like as my primary motivation. I think the Democratic Party is heavy focused on someone’s looks. And lose a lot because of this. And incite resentment from others because they elevate people based on how they look, which requires them putting down those that do not. Hmmm. Thinking out loud so to speak.
Trump ran on preserving white identity. He’s lucky dems opened up the boarder and the governor of Texas sent the migrants all over. Other wise blacks wouldn’t have boycotted the election and Latinos wouldn’t have voted for them.
@@jeffreywhitlock4882 They handled the pandemic and the war as much as possible. The dems did a good job and US inflation is way below other countries.
that's one of the wonderful things about blacks in US....they seem to think everyone not white should be on their side. Meanwhile when push comes to shove, blacks are first to be racists against asians and stuff. How ironic. And hypocritical
For the longest time the immigration problem was limited to Texas and Texas pleas for help went ignored. Once Texas started busing them out, then did the rest of the country understand what an issue it was. It was a smart play by Abbott.
Gotta say I knew it was a problem before the bussing began. I value border states and the sovereignty a controlled border means. Also I could not figure out why if the USA government wanted an open border like the EU , there wasn’t any negotiation presented to the public that listed benefits and safety measures like travel without passport required or other conditions. What kind of open border policy is one way? That was just one tip of ice berg issue I had.
Of course Biden had a bill to fix the border issue in congress about a year ago, 3X the money for border agents and detention. The Republicans wouldn't pass it so they could browbeat the democrats with it in the election. People that could lead but only do things for their own benefit are scum. So there's that😊 15:05
Unlike 2017, this time around if any of these liberal mayors declare their cities as “Sanctuary Cities”, Abbott will send a bus load of migrants their way This Sanctuary City nonsense needs to stop, even Latinos aren’t on board with it
Nobody wants open border the Mexico border is one of most militarized areas in world. Comprehensive immigration reform has been failure for decades. Every single reform bill to fix it has failed last 30 years. The reason why we seeing a larger push is because two factors. 1. The economy continues to suck globally and poor countries feel it even worse. Lot of people are like being in poverty in the US isn’t like being in poverty in my home country. Despite US shady and blatant just bad history it still viewed as a place where people can go seek refuge. 2. Lot of these Southern & Latin American countries governments are weak, poor, and impoverished where gangs and criminals have massive influence. This is largely because of result of US imperialism last 100 years. Pick a random Central or South America country the US has interfered in their elections, or economy. Sponsored military backed coups and death squads. These countries never really fully became independent thriving responsible democratic societies. Often times exploited by foreign interests for resources and cheap labor. Combined with fact America War on Drugs created a profitable economy that empowered dangerous individuals who could exploit American drug market. The USA would need to pass a drastic immigration reform 1st hand and 2nd it would’ve have to change it foreign policy approach. We think War on Drugs is a domestic issue but has actual consequences in these countries as well. Biggest way to defeat the drug cartels is the legalization of weed which they lose one of massive streams of income because most people would buy from a legal dispensary than local drug dealer. It decreases the demand of illegal weed and they loose billions of dollars. Also invest heavily in drug prevention problems & rehabilitation for other drug users and decriminalize other drug use. Once less people are involved and diagnosed the market value goes down and less money., Once the Cartels start losing money they start losing influence and ability to inflict violence which will curb migration.
@@ycAuntieLalaTexas is an illegitimate state being controlled by and having capitulated to rich Silicon Valley tech bros who have used the state as a playground for their libertarian techno utopia. Soon they will abandon the state after using up all the energy surplus for crypto mining and poisoned the water and land with unregulated rocket launches. I don’t want to hear what Texans think should happen to the borders anymore. The government of Texas has proven to be incompetent and criminal in their actions.
Standing up for the weak and the marginalized has historically been understood as a good thing. Conversely, promoting racism and xenophobia ("they're eating the dogs!") is typically understood as a bad thing.
@@deadeaded No! Good, was never about standing up for the weak and marginalized. But to stand up for what is right. Because according to this logic of "standing up for the weak and marginalized" we should stand up for the Nazis and any other evil group when they are losing.
@@charlesmiv3842you’re right. Venezuelans 🇻🇪 voted 🗳️ for Hugo Chavez. After, everyone in South America ( the Andes Community) told them , he will become a dictator. They voted 🗳️ for, because they wanted a change.
The moralizing everyone in this discussion is doing is so condescending. Every single one of them absolutely voted for Harris because they thought, first and foremost, she would be better for them personally. Everything else is secondary.
I do find the obliviousness on gaza while talking about cross racial solidarity and blaming arab americans in mich8gan when the kamala campaign actively wagged a finger at their noses to spite them quite telling. Lot of talk of solidarity, but essentially boils down to identity and self interest.
I noticed that too. They are horrified of the idea of the civil rights coalition falling apart, correctly identify what issues matter to those groups and what the party needs to say, then..... blame those groups for breaking the coalition. You woulda got it if you looked in the mirror for two more seconds.
it was completely shameful and self-destructive to push two incompatable messages to both Arab Americans in Michigan and Jewish Americans in Pennsylvania.
"Everyone else voted selfishly," says a group whose entire analysis was centered around their own group. Was there a single person there whose politics were generally applicable to United States citizens, instead of narrowly applicable to about 11% of the population?
No, they're are apart of a marginalized group. So seeing other marginalized groups voting for the candidate that demonizes the marginalized groups is the selfish part.
@charlesmiv3842 They didn't define themselves as Generic Marginalized Group #5, they identified themselves specifically and solely as Black. They brought up past black history, black voting trends, and core black issues. Then they called out other groups by identity, not by marginalization status. The only thing they claimed in common was "we used to vote together". If habit is the only thing holding a team together while you focus on yourself, you shouldn't be surprised when others do the same thing and eventually go their own way.
@@charlesmiv3842 Are black voters backstabbing others in their coalition when they vote only for blacks' best interests? Because that's what this focus group is doing. What good is "togetherness" when they will just completely dismiss an ally's top policy concern, like they did with Arabs in Michigan?
So you think minorities should vote in favor for the already privileged? What sense does that make? Voting for self at the expense of others who are less privilege is selfish.
This was so discouraging to listen to. To hear them share with confidence simultaneously the views, "No, Democrats do nothing for us." and "We are so disappointed more people didn't vote for them." And, clearly they don't think about the collective if they can't understand why Palestinian Americans were not impressed with Trump but also were not impressed with Biden/Harris. So, that was just pure self-deception. Not to mention, one was quite honest about "I'm an HBCU graduate, she's an HBCU graduate. I'm a lawyer. She's a lawyer". And, yet...they've convinced themselves...we voted for Kamala Harris because we were thinking about everybody else. Nope. I can't stand Trump. But...this, nope.
why didn't you ask the question of whether they would've preferred the populist side agenda with Bernie or the establishment side agenda with Hillary of the democrats in 2016? That is where the party died.
Democrats can't be populists without shedding the race hustlers, LGBTQ radicals, anti-capitalists and socialists. No one has done the math in the party where they can shed a loud 2% crazy and get 15% center because that loud 2% dominates funding and working head count of the party. You have to basically tell them to make their own party and write off their votes. They just stood there and let Trump own their best policies.
I voted for Trump here in Philly. 24% of Black men voted for Trump here in Philly. Our voices still aren't heard. We need a repeat but stronger 4 years from now.
Fun fact: Republicans wrote the civil rights bill and were trying to pass it throughout the 1950’s, but southern democrats controlled the Congress and refused to pass it. Later on around 1964 democrats (LBJ) rewrote the republican civil rights bill and passed it with republican support.
Lots more fun facts: More Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights bill than Republicans. You can look it up. 152 House Democrats voted for the Civil Rights act and 138 House Republicans voted for it. 46 Senate Democrats and 21 Senate Republicans voted for the bill. Democrats were by far the majority in Congress. Democrats in the North and West voted for the 1964 bill. Democrats in the South, termed Dixiecrats, voted against it. (Republicans in the South voted against it too, btw.) 95% of Northern and Western Democrats voted for the bill (145-8) while 85% of North and Western Republicans voted for it (136-24). Only 9% of Southern Democrats voted for it (8-83) while none, 0%, of Southern Republicans voted for it (0-11). So, really, it's Southerners that were the problem. Remind me, what party does the South primarily vote for these days?
@@JHimminy I don't think anyone claimed that the 1960s Civil Rights bills fixed all of America's problems regarding race. But, it is important to be accurate about how changes came to be.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
You willingly nominate a weak candidate and then take it personally when you know in your heart of hearts she has flaws. Acknowledge the truth and don’t take someone else’s loses personally.
I appreciate what the guy was trying to do, but this is so unhelpful and lacking in insight. It’s the kind of watercooler talk we can hear anywhere while half of us smile and nod patiently, pretending we didn’t vote for Trump so as not to upset the unstable ladies and weak, feminine men who have inexplicably overtaken the Democrat Party.
This wasn't really a strong introspective analysis. Harris was/is a weak undeserving candidate in a party that alienated a lot of the electorate. And for the love of sanity, ask the folks that voted for Trump, why they did...
Why is this called 'what democrats think went wrong'? It should be 'what black democrats think in a metropolitan city'..... Then again, this is a perfect example of how the New York Times operates haha.
I’m black and we have to accept the nation does not owe us anything, we owe it to ourselves to help us. We’ve been shackled to the democrat establishment for over 60 years and it has gotten us nowhere. This election proved other communities vote their interest as a collective, not familiarity or skin color
One of the hardest things anyone will likely have to do is reconcile with themself and the world around them. This discussion felt so outwardly that it missed opportunities to look inward. Everyone else is to blame. Absolutely no ownership over shortcomings. When you are constantly in a state of “the fight” or “the struggle”, you miss chances to connect with others since you view the world so combatively. Lead with empathy. Love thy neighbor, ALL neighbors. Midwest - 3rd Gen - Hispanic Male. Don’t tell me I haven’t had my share of issues. You have to choose love.
I wish they had said what issues they would like to see the candidate run on. They seemed to indicate that Democrats were ignoring issues unique to the black community, but then didn't name any, that I heard. What issues I did hear them mention, like the cost of living, education, are much more universal, and I would like to see Democrats run on that. But the party won't do that until they stop being more concerned with fundraising than with accomplishing change.
Latinos are not part of the people of color movement started by black people to leverage into more political power. Latinos are not a voting block like black Americans. They are very much like white voters and vote like different white groups.
We need a third party. To be fair about reality, Dems didn't cause inflation: the world-wide rammifications to the supply chain caused by the pandemic did but that isn't a sexy subject to fit in soundbites. It's all emotion without substance here.
So not the 7 Trillion dollars in bills passed with Kamala being the tie breaking vote? The Biden/Harris war on oil and printing TRILLIONS of worthless dollars gives you 9% inflation. This was a Democrat induced inflation and that was hanging around their neck like an albatross. That equals an election blowout.
@@papyrusted 20:02 gives me secondhand embarrassment. Accusing (in a randomly derogatory way) Latinos as considering themselves as white and considering that enough reason to "other" them from people of color 🙄.
People are far too focused on race in America. It blinds everyone here, it’s bizarre. Talking about “the black man” as a voting issue, what does that even mean? What is a black policy? What is a black selling point? It’s a load of nonsense that only America suffers from. We can do plenty of analysis on redlining, school district funding and plenty of other issues that affect POC disproportionately but let’s be honest, nobody on this podcast was talking about that.
This goes back to to Bacon's Rebellion in the 1670s its not new the reaction to that event by Elites in Colonial Virginia forsaw the current and possibly the future of the United States.
Thank you so much for this--I learned so much from listening to your family. I wish we could have more of these kinds of honest conversations as a country.
And that is part of the problem. The left has refused to hold honest conversations over the last 3.5 years. Suppressing free speech when dissenting opinions arise on sensitive, contentious topics, including, if not especially, on social media platforms. Dems really underestimate how suppressing free speech catches people’s attention . ( they created a silent majority that they never heard from because they refused to listen to them) oh well 🤷🏾♀️
@deadeaded but haven't Democrats specifically demonized rural people, and white men...I mean I hear shit talking about those two cuts on the electorate in the Democratic circles I work in.
@@deadeaded they are for sure demonizing an outgroup - people from vocational jobs, men (especially white men), people from rural areas and people who don't agree with them 100% on social issues (name calling and bullying them).
Ohhhh so sad! The better question is why might some of the opinions sounds Ike that? Or reflect that? The ones that observe that don’t care about the answer or they brush it off as “ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, oh they are just racist, identity politics (which may be a part of it)” . I have thoughts on why this 1960s sound is happening but it is very difficult to have that conversation over social media comments.
Levels of racial segregation are still at 1960s levels, and black white wealth inequality is higher now than in the 60s. Neoliberalism ushered in by reagan caused all of that, when he destabilized black neighborhoods by flooding them with guns and drugs.
It’s interesting to listen to this family. They are part of their own echo chamber. And it’s good to hear from different echo chambers. They do talk as if they are in the 1960s. And that they were recently enslaved and oppressed. When none of them are. So it’s interesting.
@@rbu2136Hey, when you have ancestors that were literally owned as property, then you can talk about what that history means to you and your family. If you don't have that history, STFU.
I don’t think it’s naive to think she had a chance to win because she did but she blew it. If she can’t even ace an interview, why should people come out to vote for her?
When I hear criticism like this, it 100% supports my feelings that Kamala Harris was held to a much higher standard than Donald Trump....did you listen to any of his interviews? Do you feel he "aced" them or did he just ramble on incoherently not answering any questions effectively or cogently? Why does she have to be perfect while he gets to be an imbecile?
@@Katekilkenny People know him, he's been in the public eye for decades, and like him or not, he is authentic in his interactions, even too authentic. She doesn't have an authentic bone in her body, would clearly say anything to win, has twisted her policy views completely inside out in the last 5 years, and dropped out of the primary in 2020 before it even led to votes. Literally no one knows what she believes and she has not had sufficient exposure to the public, and what few unscripted interactions she had were not promising, she appears to be an empty suit except for abortion and "Trump is Hitler".
@ I couldn’t vote for him either but in my opinion, he’s better at speaking than she is. Even if he isn’t being authentic, he’s more convincing whereas with Kamala, it’s clear she’s not being genuine as she recites the same memorized lines in every interview. When Charlamagne from the breakfast club asked her about this in his interview with her, she replied with “it’s called being disciplined” laughing. Then Trump went on Rogan for a 3 hour interview/convo unrehearsed. 50 million views. Kamala went on Club Shay Shay rehearsed style interview with cue cards, didn’t really break into a conversation. Only was trying to desperately win the black male vote just like in her breakfast club interview and the “all the smoke” interview. You’re right though about Trump’s interviews. She’s just noticeably worse.
Yea. I’m a dem but Harris was the worst candidate in my lifetime. She spent the whole campaign lying, dodging questions, flip flopping on policies & trying to outflank Trump on the right on energy, border, etc 😂
I'll have to re-listen but AFAIR not a single person mentioned Palestine. I am keenly aware of their selfish driving habits, but this level of selfishness is galling. It seems like all they care about is their gimme-dats
Facts. Im 17 minutes in and haven’t heard anyone at this so-called church ⛪️ mention that most of America wanted Roe v Wade overturned for moral reasons.
Just starting and something tells me the answer won't be the rich donor class, ignoring the financial strain on the populace or not having primaries...
This is all so sad to hear. I am black and Latina, a millennial, and highly "educated." I sympathize with most of these views, even if I don't feel the same way myself about all of them.
I too am a highly educated Latina, & a dem. But the reality is that Dem policies are failing & are unpopular. It’s just the truth. Harris spent most of her campaign lying, flip flopping to try & outflank Trump on the right (on the border, energy, etc) & ran around campaigning with Liz Cheney. Our party needs new leadership & new policies. Look at our Dem-run cities. When I was a kid everyone was moving to the cities, now everyone is fleeing them.
I was not prepared for how conservative christian this would be. It felt like this conversation should have stayed off of the internet, so much bigotry. There doesn't seem to be any concern about what was important to other groups. "The collective" to them means that people support them but they don't have any care about what's important to others. To have the nerve to talk about the Horrors of America, but dismiss voters who are upset about the Biden admins handling of Gaza is so insulting.
Oh please, im gay and a minority. Quit acting like anyone in my damn community has done a single good thing for me. God forbid people look out for whats best for them, case in point is the ridiculous congestion pricing now being reinstated in NYC. You dont pay my damn bills lady and until you do im only looking out for my damn self.
Hamas supporters moaning about the Biden administration and letting Trump win is the best. They don't realize the other side is all too happy to turn Palestine into a parking lot.
As a republican who was done with Trump in 2022, I can tell you from personal experience that had the justice system left Trump alone, and the media just ignored him, he would've been finished. But then the flimsy cases started. And with each new ridiculous case, I started getting angrier and angrier. It was clear to me, that if his name wasn't Donald Trump he would not have been charged for any of those cases. By the last one, I no longer wanted a new candidate on the republican side. I was more committed to Trump then I'd ever been. I wanted another term for Trump to be the consequence of weaponizing the justice system. And then the failed assassination attempt sealed it. They tried to take him down with justice system, with the media, and then they even tried to kill him. He won because the left wouldn't leave him alone.
The money is in Trump. For the press, especially. They bit the hand that feeds them and he was elected, again. It’s a vicious circle but nowhere was it more obvious than 2016.
This was a big one for sure. The dems aren't even close to realizing the problems though. They all collectively have hatred in their hearts and you can see it in every single person who hates Donald Trump. The majority of democrats wanted Donald Trump dead. It felt eerie and dangerous. It still does
I went through the exact same process. My conspiracy is that they wanted to run against Trump and that’s why they did all of that rather than let him fade away.
Not sure what I took from this......I guess the message is that voters are underwhelmed by many aspects of today's Dems. And it's probably too early to say much more than that. But it's always a great listen, Astead. Thanks for your perspective and insightfully frustrated brand of journalism. And thanks for bringing us in to meet your family, happy thanksgiving.
What I took away was a bunch of people insisting on dividing everyone by race and then being surprised that caused division within their party and then doubling down on racial divides. Say what you will about the republicans but they welcome everyone into their tent as Americans first and foremost.
Also, why not a black man? Lol that just shows you how the Democratic Party sees black men, color shouldn’t even be the first focus in identifying a candidate
On the topic of the Democrats supposedly needing to be less vocal about LGBTQ+ rights, my point of view as a member of the community was that Kamala Harris barely said anything about us. What I see way more of is Republican politicians and pundits talking about us and trying to pass laws that restrict LGBTQ+ rights. In light of the current wave of anti-LGBTQ+ policies, I wonder what going quiet on supporting our rights means. I am worried that not talking about LGBTQ+ rights would make it easier to pass and enforce laws that make our lives harder. There's also a part of me that wonders if less support for the LGBTQ+ community from the Democrats ultimately supports the goals of people who want to take away our rights by attaching a stigma to supporting us, something that has historically been an obstacle to LGBTQ+ rights movements. I just don't see how one of the lessons from this election is to support the LGBTQ+ community less, especially when I barely see any support coming from the Democrats as it is.
You are applying too broad a brush to the policy differences on LGBTQ issues. There is broad majority support for adults doing what they prefer sexually. There is also broad majority support for keeping women's sports for biological women and keeping biological men out women's locker rooms, and also for holding off on permanent medical procedures that would change the gender of children before they reach the age of consent. If the Democratic party doesn't make some accommodation on these issues it will not be a majority party.
@@kevinwoolley7960 This is the fundamental problem with D politics, and it's bound to get worse. Hypothetically, on any issue X it's possible to possible to propose terrible a policy Y. Before the party as a whole gets behind policy Y, there should be robust debate on its pros and cons, included unintended consequences. Debate, however has become forbidden in the D party b/c of cancel culture. Across a widening swath of policies, Ds are simply unable to say no. They then turn around and try to say that because you're against terrible policy Y, you're against issue X and all the people who have a stake in it. You can only do that so many times until you've destroyed your credibility and your brand. That's what Ds are in the process of doing.
You’re doing a good enough job attaching stigma to yourselves. Drag queens reading to children, public nudity at your parades, men demanding to compete in sports against women .. at what time does a stigma become basic characteristics
The problem is that democrats are not vocal about LGBT rights, they are vocal about the most fringe and divisive issues resulting in the alienation of people with common sense
This was a really interesting article. As someone who sincerely couldn’t understand why people were saying Harris was “too left” despite she was a status quo candidate, this focus group really helped me reflect on my own biases and perspectives. My takeaway here from this sample size is that the democrats see themselves as altruistic and community voters, and yet, when asked, even this group chose to scapegoat minoritized groups they felt took away from candidates that otherwise should’ve been “more for them”. I definitely don’t think the DNC has made good decisions in reaching out to their voters, but to learn simply talking about LGBT issues was too much because one of the most historically democratic groups even felt they were “too conservative” for it was insanely eye opening. It really helped put into perspective for me how much religion and its cultural hallmarks still holds America very tightly each election cycle.
It’s quite racist towards Latinos & other demographics as well, & I’m sure you wouldn’t air a program of Latinos speaking this way about black Americans
@@scarletsletter4466 well, the majority of people use this level of analysis (if you can call it all that) in deciding who to vote for, so I think it's a useful vignette. the part I found most striking is how they concluded the democrats need to run a white man next time, since they didn't really grasp what features made Hilary and Kamala unlikable.
Yes, preach. People sho don't have a sense, a knowledge and a love of history, and that is a major part of America's problem. We need a love of education, a passion for positive change, and the gift of empathy to, in turn, pay forward.
I'd also llke to interrogate the idea that voting from individual interest is always selfishness. The woman in Michigan that you interviewed wanted her job back because she loved working on cars but also because she wanted to work with addicts and she wanted to cultivate high quality adult relationships, neither of those things she could do when living in a state of financial insecurity. The idea of filling your own cup so you can serve othes better has gained traction and culture and it is not selfishness. It's not even mere survivalism -- although I do think survivalism played a large role in driving people to vote for Trump, I also think there's a sense that Democrats are not talking about prosperity at all for anyone other than the top 10%. It feels to me sometimes like I'm being pushed to live in a tiny house and take the handouts that Dems might throw me. That's not the life a lot of people want to live. They don't mind working hard, innovating, in exchange for a better lifestyle. In fact I think for a lot of Americans, if you take that away, they lose day-to-day motivation. I'm very sorry people feel that America's election of Trump is a rejection of them personally because I think the amount of people for whom that is true (people who voted to punish or hurt women and minorities) is very small. I think more people just want to see the country safe from foreign wars and return to a more prosperous time for all Americans. I live in a blue state so I didn't worry about Kamala Harris not winning in my state. I wrote in Michelle Obama because I so badly wanted to vote for a black woman but I just could not vote for Kamala Harris for all of the reasons and all the others that people are also talking about. It was a disasterous cycle for Democrats over and it probably is a good idea to take a step back and let people build up their individual lives so they hopefully will have more to bring to the political arena in a year or two. Right now it's just sadness. I feel it so hard, I cried through the whole episode. Thank you so much for your work ❤
Between gerrymandering and the electoral college adding in the hopeless wage disparities.People did nt back up the Harris/ Walz ticket.Its a shame and we own it.Only about half the citizens vote here in the U.S.Its beyond crazy.
abortion, minimum wage, and paid sick leave passed as ballot measures even in the reddest states. these were all things tim walz championed. the corporate democratic strategists and advisors derailed the harris campaign and stopped her from providing any of these popular policies and only propose curated policies that were donor approved. the kamala harris that emerged in the first few weeks of her campaign was genuinely inspirational, she talked about all of those things. soon after they turned her from 2008 obama to 2016 hillary clinton. and hilariously it was her brother-in-law who sabotaged her campaign. teaming up with republicans was genuinely the worst thing her campaign did. the cheneys are hated in america
Bingo. The democrats had the chance and biden shit the bed. When prices were spiking, nothing was done to combat it. Democrats even voted for trumps border bill. At that point, why even vote for a Democrat if they are just going to be a republican?
This isn't the only factor, but it's a big part of it. We can only hope that this weakens the power of the DNC, and that any future candidates will be unimpressed by their demands of "adopt our policy positions or we won't give you access to these out-of-touch idiots who will ruin your campaign for you". Or better yet, replace the DNC with some people who actually have struggled in life.
@@andremiller1566 i never said that. but it is VERY obvious that something happened that made her campaign go off the rails. in like her very first speech she said, and i paraphrase, that we have to change the economic system that has been a demonstrable failure for the last 50 years. she never went back to that energy ever again. every attempt she did to talk about price gouging, going after investors holding the housing market hostage, taxing billionaires she pretty much got called a communist by the media. so much so that they had to wheel mark cuban out to call her an uber-capitalist. her brother-in-law works for uber (lol) and pretty much told her to stop attacking corporations. which is extremely hilarious because bill kristol, the famous neocon, said she should have gone back to her populist messaging because even he saw that it was more effective
Big problem with Nyt aswell as other outlets like NPR, the readers live in a bubble and echo chamber where they dont to hear the other side, but when you guys hear the other side, you mark them off as facists automatically. What gives? I say this as some who is a centrist and willing to hear both sides and to have empathy, not willing to play aged old Secular American Calvinism duality/binary that many Americans morally practice that is in full display. It's nice to see Nyt to go to a middle/working class black community and see full display how hard it is for democrats to win, when your bread and butter voter don't see eye to eye with white liberals and elite democrats who run much of the country. Next 20 years is going to be interesting.
Hey man, have you considered how you really aren't smart enough to hear other views, and really your opinions should be given to you from the TV? I can't believe they lost
If you think NYT reporters automatically consider conservatives fascists, you’re the one living in a bubble. This guy has been traveling all over the country talking to all kinds of voters for years.
I remember when the Democrats were the champions of free speech even for those they abhor. At some point this changed so that the Republicans were the more tolerant party willing to agree to disagree. I think this shift towards more intolerance of differing opinions for the Democrats helped build up the election results of this year.
Can you imagine going home to your family and Gathering everybody around brother sisters aunts and uncles what a beautiful family celebration. At our beautiful family celebrations we have both lefties and righties and I hate everybody's. My question is if your family all believes the exact same thing you guys are incredibly indoctrinated I would say that about the conservatives too if you're all sitting around and everyone of you is saying the exact same thing your family is not thinking correctly
if they dont have the history we have with america why would they? yall love to act like its just random we share this collective belief with no reason
You can't run a campaign on JOY when no one has money in their pockets.
"You will own nothing and be happy."
Or fetusdeletion when nobody can afford to have families, get married, or purchase a house...
@@busyrand Trump campaign was really the campaign of Joy. His dance was so fun. Kamala campaign was about fear and hatred.
FACTS
busyrand That's true, and I do not promote “fetusdeletion” but no woman will accept the state controlling her body and denying us access to reproductive healthcare, either. 2/3rds of the country supports access to it in one form or another, and we are winning even in the reddest states.
For many, this wasn’t about Trump or race at all, at least not in the traditional sense. It was a big FU to a Dem party that abandoned the working class, does the bidding of corporate overlords, and uses identify politics to divide the country by propagandizing their base. It was about freedom - the freedom to think and speak freely beyond the dictates of woke ideologues. It was about sanity around notions of gender and keeping children safe from bodily mutilation and sterilization. It was about common sense law and order, at the border and in our cities, where progressive policies led to spikes in crime.
It's not just the party, but also certain activist led groups on the left. We have to hold them accountable, just as we do with the party. Unless we get comfortable pushing back against the shameless woke entitlements of such people, there will always be a demand for the party to fulfill. And no, they have all the freedom to be entitled and narcissistic. Please don't make excuses for them like they do not have the freedom to think.
@ Agree with your first point, but I think you misinterpreted something. I meant that the woke activists want to curtail others’ freedom to speak and think outside their notions of what’s acceptable, which I vigorously reject.
this is actually what happened
@@bucketsofmoonbeams 😅my bad, I used to be sympathetic to such people. When they are oversensitive, and in turn we try to be protective of their feelings, it ends up in curtailing the freedoms of those with different viewpoints.
Worse, “microaggressions” get weaponized, and such oversensitive people will turn on you for something trivial that you don't even realize you've done, even if you've defended them all along. But I've changed, and pro-free speech now. 😊✌🏻✨
I am African American and I am always amazed by the assessments of Black people. Why would you think that Arabs & Latinos just “don’t like Black people” when they both voted for Obama TWICE.
Maybe the Arabs were actually concerned about their own people getting blown to shit. Maybe Hispanics were actually disgruntled with the economy. Maybe, just maybe it wasn’t about YOU.
That part!!!
And mexico has a woman president when they say they dont want harris to be president.
Also how is a B person voting for a B person and in the interest of B ppl (in their.mind) not voting selfishly?
Stop tethering. Arabs and Latinos had little to no sway in this election.
Because black is the ultimate victim.
If you ask harris voters why she lost you'll not get the right answer. You have to ask people who didn't vote for her why....and listen.
If you've been following this journalist's work for the past two years then you know that he's been traveling the country talking and listening to voters of all kinds. Even the first iteration of this Chicago trip included several Trump voters whom he spoke w/.
I don't think that Harris voters are inherently clueless about why she lost. Your comment suggests that only people who voted for Trump (or whomever else) have any insight into why people voted for someone else. That doesn't follow. Harris voters might, for instance, have followed her campaign closely and thus may be particularly aware of her shortcomings. Many people who voted for Harris were less than pleased w/ parts of her platform, they were just more pleased than displeased, 51/49-- same w/ lots of Trump voters. I think what makes more sense to say is that if you want to know why people didn't vote for Harris that you should ask a broad cross-section of voters about why they made their choices, starting w/ Trump voters but not stopping there.
Are you hard of hearing? They explored all of that here. Just say you hate the messenger. Thanks for the views though!
To be fair this podcast has talked to a lot of people who voted for Trump and asked them why -- has done an excellent job reporting on both sides of this.
You didn't listen at all. Lots in the family who voted Trump explained why. Listen again and look at how stupid you are.
That is EXACTLY what this was about.
If the system has not served your community then please explain why you continue to vote for a party that has NEVER delivered for you?
Nice deflection from the actual data. 100,000,000 people who are eligible to vote chose not to vote. It's not that a majority is voting Republican, it's a massive STRONG majority who've decided not to participate in a system that has never once served anyone except the filthy rich since WW2 ended.
Why aren't dems attracting the overwhelming majority of Americans?
Racist question (or something)
'i dont want to feel the joy, i want to feel the difference.' thats the whole thing.
Thank you!❤
Precisely. You can’t buy food, pay medical bills, afford college, stem the flood of increasing costs with „joy.“
Joy was on offer by the establishment dems because it doesn’t force their bankrollers to contribute their fair share to a greater society. Joy appealed only to those who are doing well financially and thus are more concerned with issues such as decorum or cultural topics.
@@skyinsession
Said another way, you can’t win on #OrangeManBad or #VanceWeird
It's true but Dems can't do anything but fluff. They have to hide that they are there to support capitalism as much as the GOP is. It's where Kamala's word salads come into play too.
Best line EVER!!!
It's interesting to me that the same people who admit to voting for a candidate solely because they have the same skin color are the ones complaining that other people won't vote for a candidate with different skin color. Just an observation.
They want representation, but when others come in, then the true emotions come to play ... It's about power and hypocrisy
Theu.did not vote for Harris because she was black. Black people always vote democrat.
EPIC COMMENT. They not gone like this one 😅
They're just hypocritical racist on the other side of the aisle.
@AngelisaHassan Why do they always vote dem? Is it not because they care only for their racial self-interest and believe the dems represent it best?
I am a lifelong democrat from an urban blue city and state that voted my first red ticket. I will never vote for another democrat again. I am so happy to have the right information as I listened to DJT myself, finally not hearing clips and distorted versions of the truth. I consume both sides of podcasts, unlike you, low information voters, who only listen to one side.
My kids aren't white. I'm an activist and nurse. I'm an academic. I'm none of the things you say is a problem.
The problem are the lies from the media. Once we realize how you've lied even once about Trump, we seek out more. The "good people on both sides lie" lead to all the others and now we are warriors fighting this war against the media and their lies. We want to know why you are so insistent on lying about President Trump and we figure it's because he threatens the elite class and their economic superiority.
The working class knew they needed elites to run against other elites. Democrat party is now filled with the educated who have the money. It's the corporate and Hollywood elite party. And Republicans are now the counter culture and working class party.
Black and brown elites are still elites.
This is a class war.
this is interesting. Trump is part of the elite as are all members of Congress (both parties). Help me understand the logic a bit, ok? Are you suggesting the GOP is now working to pass legislation that empowers the working class? If so, can you direct me to legislation passed on the state level that supports that? The GOP is consistent and operates from the party platform so any legislation from a GOP led state would work. I only have FL for reference and the legislation here has not been for the working class.
If Trump was some focal point of a working class struggle he wouldn't be a GOP nor a Democrat get real, no politician from these current parties will ever bare that torch. The working class through struggle in their workplace and in solidarity with other workers has a way higher chance of doing anything than two billionaire funded parties. Why would someone in the 1880s trust a Rockefeller backed candadicy over that of a Vanderbilt funded one.
YES!!! This is a class war!
@@Dana-pq7ke billionaires and moneyed interests, who massively fund BOTH parties, are not interested in class war, atleast not the kind of class war your rhetoric seems to be loosely signaling towards.
For the love of GOD can someone please ask these people how they have the nerve to claim OTHERS voted selfishly but they didn't?
Because democrats believe they’re holier than thou.
Try to understand their perspective. It's not so personal.
Since the other comments are pure spite, the honest answer is that people who are relatively comfortable have the luxury of pursuing their ideals. "Political hobbyists," as they've been dubbed (not that I would ever deserve that label, nosiree) unfortunately then expect that folks can be convinced to their side through the righteousness of their viewpoint, rather than appealing to self interest.
Because trump promotes selfishness and individualism above all else.
Black unemployment was lower under Trump while Kamala locked up Black people...
Black Democrats: The Democratic Party has NEVER really served our needs
Also Black Democrats: How DARE you not vote for the Democrats!!
Me: 😠😠😠
I agree
Because elections are between 2 parties and aren't about 1 party in a total vacuum?
This loss was not about race, or about women's rights, or about any of the Democrats claim it was about. It was strictly about class and Democrats somehow elevated themselves above the working and middle class.
I know this sounds uncharitable, but I come here for guidance, lucid insight, and expert analysis, not to hear this guy's family do a bunch of random speculating and spitballing. I've got my own family for that, thanks very much.
Exactly. 90% of my family members are Democrats and these are the exact same clueless conversations they have amongst each other while my sister-in-law and I, the two defectors who voted Trump, have to keep quiet so as not to out ourselves. They have no interest in hearing why people actually voted for Trump, especially if we aren’t white men so they can’t label us as racist or misogynists. I’m married to a Mexican man, have lived in Mexico for the past four years, and have hosted Venezuelan migrants in my spare apartment but if I try to bring up the humanitarian disaster that has been Biden’s border policy my family will immediately start questioning which news sources I’m listening to or tell me how Mexico is full of Russian propaganda. None of them speak Spanish, know a single migrant, or know anything about cartels beyond what they’ve seen in Breaking Bad, yet suddenly I’m the xenophobic racist for suggesting that we shouldn’t let caravans of gang-led foreigners wander across our borders.
This is peak journalism though 🤣
Thankfully there’s plenty of other videos available for you! No need to leave a negative comment on this video bc it isn’t what you wanted
@@perezpilled did you read the other comments? If nobody wrote a negative comment about this garbage journalism, there would be zero comments
@ this isn’t the front page of the New York Times. this podcast is dedicated to qualitative, impressionistic takes from voters on the election. personally, while I don’t really agree with the takes from the family members, I still really like this episode. There are many other podcasts about so-called expert analysis. I would recommend watching those, respectfully.
What is surprising to me is how much this group purely were voting for Kamala solely because she presented black and woman. That’s crazy.
That's Dems for ya
It's even crazier cuz they are trying to win a popularity contest. Like, what did you think all the rest of us thought about black women? Presidential ain't the first word that comes to mind....
Well for me, I don’t vote based on what someone looks like as my primary motivation. I think the Democratic Party is heavy focused on someone’s looks. And lose a lot because of this. And incite resentment from others because they elevate people based on how they look, which requires them putting down those that do not. Hmmm. Thinking out loud so to speak.
Trump ran on preserving white identity. He’s lucky dems opened up the boarder and the governor of Texas sent the migrants all over. Other wise blacks wouldn’t have boycotted the election and Latinos wouldn’t have voted for them.
@@giraffediety2477 I don't agree with you, but I don't think you are alone in your sentiment
What Democrats think went wrong. This echo chamber is so loud it's deafening.
It’s not complicated. They had a substandard candidate who had no business being in that position. They need better candidates.
That and the inflation and mismanagement of the border.
An interesting point. Lionel Shriver had the same analysis. Refer to her interview on The Spectator for more details.
@@jeffreywhitlock4882 They handled the pandemic and the war as much as possible. The dems did a good job and US inflation is way below other countries.
@gergelykollar7833 the voters said otherwise 🤣🤣🤣
She utterly flopped during the 2020 primary.
By the way, Kamala is not black. She's Indian.
FACTS
She identifies as Black and washes greens in her bathtub.
She is mixed heritage and has African ancestry. In America, you are encouraged to claim to be black, even if you are multiracial.
She's also not a leader.
that's one of the wonderful things about blacks in US....they seem to think everyone not white should be on their side. Meanwhile when push comes to shove, blacks are first to be racists against asians and stuff. How ironic. And hypocritical
For the longest time the immigration problem was limited to Texas and Texas pleas for help went ignored. Once Texas started busing them out, then did the rest of the country understand what an issue it was. It was a smart play by Abbott.
Gotta say I knew it was a problem before the bussing began. I value border states and the sovereignty a controlled border means.
Also I could not figure out why if the USA government wanted an open border like the EU , there wasn’t any negotiation presented to the public that listed benefits and safety measures like travel without passport required or other conditions. What kind of open border policy is one way? That was just one tip of ice berg issue I had.
Of course Biden had a bill to fix the border issue in congress about a year ago, 3X the money for border agents and detention. The Republicans wouldn't pass it so they could browbeat the democrats with it in the election. People that could lead but only do things for their own benefit are scum. So there's that😊 15:05
Unlike 2017, this time around if any of these liberal mayors declare their cities as “Sanctuary Cities”, Abbott will send a bus load of migrants their way
This Sanctuary City nonsense needs to stop, even Latinos aren’t on board with it
Nobody wants open border the Mexico border is one of most militarized areas in world.
Comprehensive immigration reform has been failure for decades. Every single reform bill to fix it has failed last 30 years. The reason why we seeing a larger push is because two factors.
1. The economy continues to suck globally and poor countries feel it even worse. Lot of people are like being in poverty in the US isn’t like being in poverty in my home country. Despite US shady and blatant just bad history it still viewed as a place where people can go seek refuge.
2. Lot of these Southern & Latin American countries governments are weak, poor, and impoverished where gangs and criminals have massive influence. This is largely because of result of US imperialism last 100 years. Pick a random Central or South America country the US has interfered in their elections, or economy. Sponsored military backed coups and death squads. These countries never really fully became independent thriving responsible democratic societies. Often times exploited by foreign interests for resources and cheap labor. Combined with fact America War on Drugs created a profitable economy that empowered dangerous individuals who could exploit American drug market.
The USA would need to pass a drastic immigration reform 1st hand and 2nd it would’ve have to change it foreign policy approach. We think War on Drugs is a domestic issue but has actual consequences in these countries as well. Biggest way to defeat the drug cartels is the legalization of weed which they lose one of massive streams of income because most people would buy from a legal dispensary than local drug dealer. It decreases the demand of illegal weed and they loose billions of dollars. Also invest heavily in drug prevention problems & rehabilitation for other drug users and decriminalize other drug use. Once less people are involved and diagnosed the market value goes down and less money.,
Once the Cartels start losing money they start losing influence and ability to inflict violence which will curb migration.
@@ycAuntieLalaTexas is an illegitimate state being controlled by and having capitulated to rich Silicon Valley tech bros who have used the state as a playground for their libertarian techno utopia. Soon they will abandon the state after using up all the energy surplus for crypto mining and poisoned the water and land with unregulated rocket launches.
I don’t want to hear what Texans think should happen to the borders anymore. The government of Texas has proven to be incompetent and criminal in their actions.
I don’t understand what makes the democrats message the moral message. I’m so confused. Who decided that?
this is a Democrat/Liberal newspaper so it makes those assumptions
I decided that for myself a long time ago.
Because white supremacist like nick Fuentes have the same talking points as Charlie Kirk and mainstream republicans
Standing up for the weak and the marginalized has historically been understood as a good thing. Conversely, promoting racism and xenophobia ("they're eating the dogs!") is typically understood as a bad thing.
@@deadeaded No! Good, was never about standing up for the weak and marginalized. But to stand up for what is right.
Because according to this logic of "standing up for the weak and marginalized" we should stand up for the Nazis and any other evil group when they are losing.
"Democracy is gone because Trump won the popular vote" the lack of self awareness is astonishing
Go talk to black people around you. Majority believe there is a boogeyman out there after them. It's sad but decades of democratic messaging
There is no lack of self awareness. The people literally voted away democracy. It can happen, and HAS happened in other countries.
Hitler was elected into power
@@charlesmiv3842 it would be gone either way with another 4 years of this invasion. Dems have been steadily subverting AMERICAN democracy for 4 years.
@@charlesmiv3842you’re right. Venezuelans 🇻🇪 voted 🗳️ for Hugo Chavez. After, everyone in South America ( the Andes Community) told them , he will become a dictator. They voted 🗳️ for, because they wanted a change.
“What if we lean really hard into rich people culture.”
They/them would like that.
@@rbu2136 They/them are not the rich people lol
@@charlesmiv3842 Plenty are
Ask them if they would vote for Tulsi Gabbard or Condoleeza Rice....see the excuses magically appear.
It’s so true and hilariously they just don’t get it
I wrote that above. This bigoted Conservative would put a check by Condoleeza Rice's name in a heartbeat.
or Candice Owens lmfao, don't like her ideals but at least I know where she stands on most issues.
The moralizing everyone in this discussion is doing is so condescending. Every single one of them absolutely voted for Harris because they thought, first and foremost, she would be better for them personally. Everything else is secondary.
I do find the obliviousness on gaza while talking about cross racial solidarity and blaming arab americans in mich8gan when the kamala campaign actively wagged a finger at their noses to spite them quite telling. Lot of talk of solidarity, but essentially boils down to identity and self interest.
I noticed that too. They are horrified of the idea of the civil rights coalition falling apart, correctly identify what issues matter to those groups and what the party needs to say, then..... blame those groups for breaking the coalition. You woulda got it if you looked in the mirror for two more seconds.
The arabs voted for a man that despises them even more than Harris did. This is their point.
When have Arabs ever had solidarity with Black folks?
Oh yes, because Trump is famously pro-Palestine
it was completely shameful and self-destructive to push two incompatable messages to both Arab Americans in Michigan and Jewish Americans in Pennsylvania.
"Everyone else voted selfishly," says a group whose entire analysis was centered around their own group.
Was there a single person there whose politics were generally applicable to United States citizens, instead of narrowly applicable to about 11% of the population?
No, they're are apart of a marginalized group. So seeing other marginalized groups voting for the candidate that demonizes the marginalized groups is the selfish part.
@charlesmiv3842 They didn't define themselves as Generic Marginalized Group #5, they identified themselves specifically and solely as Black. They brought up past black history, black voting trends, and core black issues. Then they called out other groups by identity, not by marginalization status.
The only thing they claimed in common was "we used to vote together". If habit is the only thing holding a team together while you focus on yourself, you shouldn't be surprised when others do the same thing and eventually go their own way.
@@jorgamund07 The "going the other way" is the backstabbing part.
@@charlesmiv3842 Are black voters backstabbing others in their coalition when they vote only for blacks' best interests? Because that's what this focus group is doing.
What good is "togetherness" when they will just completely dismiss an ally's top policy concern, like they did with Arabs in Michigan?
So you think minorities should vote in favor for the already privileged? What sense does that make? Voting for self at the expense of others who are less privilege is selfish.
These people admit that the democrats have done nothing for blk people yet they will still vote for them. 😂😂😂 my people are doomed
They specifically said that they have been voting for the collective good just not themselves
@@theEvilLord90get off that plantation. Massa’ (rich, white, coastal elites) don’t love you-
Every faction in the party is busy blaming other faction and not reflecting on their own actions
This was so discouraging to listen to. To hear them share with confidence simultaneously the views, "No, Democrats do nothing for us." and "We are so disappointed more people didn't vote for them." And, clearly they don't think about the collective if they can't understand why Palestinian Americans were not impressed with Trump but also were not impressed with Biden/Harris. So, that was just pure self-deception. Not to mention, one was quite honest about "I'm an HBCU graduate, she's an HBCU graduate. I'm a lawyer. She's a lawyer". And, yet...they've convinced themselves...we voted for Kamala Harris because we were thinking about everybody else. Nope. I can't stand Trump. But...this, nope.
Thats reality. Black people vote based on color is ok, white people its every ism in the book plus transphobic though
why didn't you ask the question of whether they would've preferred the populist side agenda with Bernie or the establishment side agenda with Hillary of the democrats in 2016? That is where the party died.
They/them said no
I think you heard them say they are brainwashed.
They killed the party when they did everything they could to stop Bernie
Democrats can't be populists without shedding the race hustlers, LGBTQ radicals, anti-capitalists and socialists. No one has done the math in the party where they can shed a loud 2% crazy and get 15% center because that loud 2% dominates funding and working head count of the party. You have to basically tell them to make their own party and write off their votes. They just stood there and let Trump own their best policies.
The party that won the presidency in 2020 died in 2016; guess I just didn't notice. Thanks for your stunning insight.
Black people shifted towards Trump. The Black community is not monolithic, this discussion only represents a slice of it
I voted for Trump here in Philly. 24% of Black men voted for Trump here in Philly. Our voices still aren't heard. We need a repeat but stronger 4 years from now.
@@andremiller1566Yup, the plantation uprising has begun.
Fun fact: Republicans wrote the civil rights bill and were trying to pass it throughout the 1950’s, but southern democrats controlled the Congress and refused to pass it. Later on around 1964 democrats (LBJ) rewrote the republican civil rights bill and passed it with republican support.
Lots more fun facts: More Democrats voted for the 1964 Civil Rights bill than Republicans. You can look it up. 152 House Democrats voted for the Civil Rights act and 138 House Republicans voted for it. 46 Senate Democrats and 21 Senate Republicans voted for the bill.
Democrats were by far the majority in Congress. Democrats in the North and West voted for the 1964 bill. Democrats in the South, termed Dixiecrats, voted against it. (Republicans in the South voted against it too, btw.)
95% of Northern and Western Democrats voted for the bill (145-8) while 85% of North and Western Republicans voted for it (136-24).
Only 9% of Southern Democrats voted for it (8-83) while none, 0%, of Southern Republicans voted for it (0-11).
So, really, it's Southerners that were the problem. Remind me, what party does the South primarily vote for these days?
@@JHimminy I don't think anyone claimed that the 1960s Civil Rights bills fixed all of America's problems regarding race.
But, it is important to be accurate about how changes came to be.
Not a corporate Democrat . I agree.
DNC won't allow it.
A populists candidate.
I don't think it matters the sex or race. Likable would be great.
DNC is elitists.
These people are so insular and irrational they should run for office.
😂
😂
Care to explain how they're insular and irrational?
How are they different than the other people who were interviewed during this podcast? Be honest.
@@charlesmiv3842why help your enemy, lol.
Keep fkn up, dummies.
These people are basic and out of touch
36:21 Democracy is gone
36:32 Create-A-Candidate for the next election
- "Democracy" seems like the new pronoun game
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
People claiming Kamala's defeat was primarily about ethnicity? Seriously?
You willingly nominate a weak candidate and then take it personally when you know in your heart of hearts she has flaws. Acknowledge the truth and don’t take someone else’s loses personally.
And trump didn't have flaws?
She wasn’t even nominated. She was planted. No primary for the voters, etc. sounds pretty undemocratic to me.
I appreciate what the guy was trying to do, but this is so unhelpful and lacking in insight. It’s the kind of watercooler talk we can hear anywhere while half of us smile and nod patiently, pretending we didn’t vote for Trump so as not to upset the unstable ladies and weak, feminine men who have inexplicably overtaken the Democrat Party.
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This wasn't really a strong introspective analysis. Harris was/is a weak undeserving candidate in a party that alienated a lot of the electorate. And for the love of sanity, ask the folks that voted for Trump, why they did...
Educated, yet clueless
Why is this called 'what democrats think went wrong'? It should be 'what black democrats think in a metropolitan city'..... Then again, this is a perfect example of how the New York Times operates haha.
Because no white people would ever listen to it if they used your title. It’s snappier.
I’m black and we have to accept the nation does not owe us anything, we owe it to ourselves to help us. We’ve been shackled to the democrat establishment for over 60 years and it has gotten us nowhere. This election proved other communities vote their interest as a collective, not familiarity or skin color
One of the hardest things anyone will likely have to do is reconcile with themself and the world around them. This discussion felt so outwardly that it missed opportunities to look inward.
Everyone else is to blame. Absolutely no ownership over shortcomings. When you are constantly in a state of “the fight” or “the struggle”, you miss chances to connect with others since you view the world so combatively.
Lead with empathy. Love thy neighbor, ALL neighbors.
Midwest - 3rd Gen - Hispanic Male. Don’t tell me I haven’t had my share of issues. You have to choose love.
Staggering lack of self awareness.
This is super cringe.
I’m 20 minutes in and this is some of the most racist stuff I’ve heard in a long time.
Try a Fox News comment section
Worse than "they're eating the dogs"?
@@deadeaded exactly they always ignore his comments
Yes, pretty racist group. And so unaware of how racist and bigoted they are.
Sounds to me like a bunch of people speaking their mind, what's the racist part?
I wish they had said what issues they would like to see the candidate run on. They seemed to indicate that Democrats were ignoring issues unique to the black community, but then didn't name any, that I heard.
What issues I did hear them mention, like the cost of living, education, are much more universal, and I would like to see Democrats run on that. But the party won't do that until they stop being more concerned with fundraising than with accomplishing change.
Astead Herndon is literally the only political voice at the NYT worth listening to.
Id argue Ezra is really good when it comes to political theory though he's out of touch like the rest. Barbaro is uselessm
Ezra is a turncoat who goes with the wind. @@Plokijuh1229
Lemme guess, none of them think it's their shitty policies...
I know right. That is why they will keep losing.
Dont be an ass these people are regular voters not Democrat Party Strategists or Politicians.
Yes latinos dos what black people shouldve did years ago
Trump loves the poorly educated...you just proved that...learn English, educate yourself, maybe you'll make better decisions.
Latinos are not part of the people of color movement started by black people to leverage into more political power. Latinos are not a voting block like black Americans. They are very much like white voters and vote like different white groups.
The system works when you vote your best interests. Thats what it’s designed to do. Being brainwashed to do otherwise is insane
Yes, like Trump says, "self deportation".
@@fergalhennessy775 MAGA voted against their own interests
We need a third party. To be fair about reality, Dems didn't cause inflation: the world-wide rammifications to the supply chain caused by the pandemic did but that isn't a sexy subject to fit in soundbites. It's all emotion without substance here.
Facts!
So not the 7 Trillion dollars in bills passed with Kamala being the tie breaking vote? The Biden/Harris war on oil and printing TRILLIONS of worthless dollars gives you 9% inflation. This was a Democrat induced inflation and that was hanging around their neck like an albatross. That equals an election blowout.
These people are embarrassing
Why
@@papyrusted 20:02 gives me secondhand embarrassment. Accusing (in a randomly derogatory way) Latinos as considering themselves as white and considering that enough reason to "other" them from people of color 🙄.
The race stuff is exhausting
People are far too focused on race in America. It blinds everyone here, it’s bizarre. Talking about “the black man” as a voting issue, what does that even mean? What is a black policy? What is a black selling point? It’s a load of nonsense that only America suffers from.
We can do plenty of analysis on redlining, school district funding and plenty of other issues that affect POC disproportionately but let’s be honest, nobody on this podcast was talking about that.
This goes back to to Bacon's Rebellion in the 1670s its not new the reaction to that event by Elites in Colonial Virginia forsaw the current and possibly the future of the United States.
Thank you so much for this--I learned so much from listening to your family. I wish we could have more of these kinds of honest conversations as a country.
Agreed, I didn't expect this to be as good as it was. But it was pretty informative.
Good comment to get outside echo chambers to listen to other echo chambers.
And that is part of the problem. The left has refused to hold honest conversations over the last 3.5 years. Suppressing free speech when dissenting opinions arise on sensitive, contentious topics, including, if not especially, on social media platforms. Dems really underestimate how suppressing free speech catches people’s attention . ( they created a silent majority that they never heard from because they refused to listen to them) oh well 🤷🏾♀️
What makes the democrats message the “collective message”?
Because they're not demonizing an outgroup, like immigrants or trans people.
@deadeaded but haven't Democrats specifically demonized rural people, and white men...I mean I hear shit talking about those two cuts on the electorate in the Democratic circles I work in.
@@deadeaded Yup, only demonizing the biggest ingroup: white and working-class. It's pretty irrational if you want to win an election.
Democrats say they’re for “everyone”, while republicans say they’re for “you” (and not the other guy).
@@deadeaded they are for sure demonizing an outgroup - people from vocational jobs, men (especially white men), people from rural areas and people who don't agree with them 100% on social issues (name calling and bullying them).
These people are lost. They are stuck in the 1960's. Sad!
Ohhhh so sad! The better question is why might some of the opinions sounds Ike that? Or reflect that? The ones that observe that don’t care about the answer or they brush it off as “ignorant, uninformed, uneducated, oh they are just racist, identity politics (which may be a part of it)” .
I have thoughts on why this 1960s sound is happening but it is very difficult to have that conversation over social media comments.
Levels of racial segregation are still at 1960s levels, and black white wealth inequality is higher now than in the 60s. Neoliberalism ushered in by reagan caused all of that, when he destabilized black neighborhoods by flooding them with guns and drugs.
You can reverse it. But on other issues.
You mean America is still stuck in the 1960's with how racist it still is?
Blame everybody... But the actual candidate. Sure.
These opinions are absurd and completely uninformed. Such an emotional response.
They are just regular people being asked for an opinion on politics. What else did you expect?
It’s interesting to listen to this family. They are part of their own echo chamber. And it’s good to hear from different echo chambers. They do talk as if they are in the 1960s. And that they were recently enslaved and oppressed. When none of them are. So it’s interesting.
If you've ever listened to any focus groups, their opinions are pretty common. Democrats ignore the opinions of folks like these at their own peril.
@@rbu2136Hey, when you have ancestors that were literally owned as property, then you can talk about what that history means to you and your family. If you don't have that history, STFU.
Care to elaborate on how it's an emotional response?
Best election in my life
I voted for trump 4 many good reasons
I don’t think it’s naive to think she had a chance to win because she did but she blew it. If she can’t even ace an interview, why should people come out to vote for her?
When I hear criticism like this, it 100% supports my feelings that Kamala Harris was held to a much higher standard than Donald Trump....did you listen to any of his interviews? Do you feel he "aced" them or did he just ramble on incoherently not answering any questions effectively or cogently? Why does she have to be perfect while he gets to be an imbecile?
@@Katekilkenny People know him, he's been in the public eye for decades, and like him or not, he is authentic in his interactions, even too authentic. She doesn't have an authentic bone in her body, would clearly say anything to win, has twisted her policy views completely inside out in the last 5 years, and dropped out of the primary in 2020 before it even led to votes. Literally no one knows what she believes and she has not had sufficient exposure to the public, and what few unscripted interactions she had were not promising, she appears to be an empty suit except for abortion and "Trump is Hitler".
@ I couldn’t vote for him either but in my opinion, he’s better at speaking than she is. Even if he isn’t being authentic, he’s more convincing whereas with Kamala, it’s clear she’s not being genuine as she recites the same memorized lines in every interview. When Charlamagne from the breakfast club asked her about this in his interview with her, she replied with “it’s called being disciplined” laughing. Then Trump went on Rogan for a 3 hour interview/convo unrehearsed. 50 million views. Kamala went on Club Shay Shay rehearsed style interview with cue cards, didn’t really break into a conversation. Only was trying to desperately win the black male vote just like in her breakfast club interview and the “all the smoke” interview. You’re right though about Trump’s interviews. She’s just noticeably worse.
Kate, that's the rub. Harris outside of stumping was incoherent and babbling but without the charisma.
Yea. I’m a dem but Harris was the worst candidate in my lifetime. She spent the whole campaign lying, dodging questions, flip flopping on policies & trying to outflank Trump on the right on energy, border, etc 😂
I'll have to re-listen but AFAIR not a single person mentioned Palestine. I am keenly aware of their selfish driving habits, but this level of selfishness is galling. It seems like all they care about is their gimme-dats
Listening to these women speak is like listening to 5 year olds. They talk and talk but say NOTHING useful.
😂😂😂😂
I will NEVER put a Liberal Woman in THAT Office.
Victim mentality.
How so?
@@charlesmiv3842 blaming race for everything.
@@koryano321 I'm not sure you even watched the video. 1 person out of the 7 or so interviewed blamed it on race.
I'm only 16 minutes in. Does anyone bring up that more black men voted for the GOP this time? I wanna hear their thoughts on that.
Facts. Im 17 minutes in and haven’t heard anyone at this so-called church ⛪️ mention that most of America wanted Roe v Wade overturned for moral reasons.
They voted forvtrump, not for Republican party.
No they didn't. This is literally false lol
Most of them sat out, including black women.
@@chrisdwellingham5320 The percentage of the black male electorate that voted Republican absolutely did increase.
Yeah, the democratic coalition is dead. Lol
Just starting and something tells me the answer won't be the rich donor class, ignoring the financial strain on the populace or not having primaries...
This is all so sad to hear. I am black and Latina, a millennial, and highly "educated." I sympathize with most of these views, even if I don't feel the same way myself about all of them.
I too am a highly educated Latina, & a dem. But the reality is that Dem policies are failing & are unpopular. It’s just the truth. Harris spent most of her campaign lying, flip flopping to try & outflank Trump on the right (on the border, energy, etc) & ran around campaigning with Liz Cheney.
Our party needs new leadership & new policies. Look at our Dem-run cities. When I was a kid everyone was moving to the cities, now everyone is fleeing them.
I was not prepared for how conservative christian this would be. It felt like this conversation should have stayed off of the internet, so much bigotry. There doesn't seem to be any concern about what was important to other groups. "The collective" to them means that people support them but they don't have any care about what's important to others.
To have the nerve to talk about the Horrors of America, but dismiss voters who are upset about the Biden admins handling of Gaza is so insulting.
Well put.
Oh please, im gay and a minority. Quit acting like anyone in my damn community has done a single good thing for me. God forbid people look out for whats best for them, case in point is the ridiculous congestion pricing now being reinstated in NYC. You dont pay my damn bills lady and until you do im only looking out for my damn self.
Voting for trump because you're upset at Biden's handling of Gaza is making the situation 10x worse lol
Hamas supporters moaning about the Biden administration and letting Trump win is the best. They don't realize the other side is all too happy to turn Palestine into a parking lot.
@@davlos-0855 We've seen that both parties are happy to turn Palestine into a parking lot so WTF is your point?
As a republican who was done with Trump in 2022, I can tell you from personal experience that had the justice system left Trump alone, and the media just ignored him, he would've been finished. But then the flimsy cases started. And with each new ridiculous case, I started getting angrier and angrier. It was clear to me, that if his name wasn't Donald Trump he would not have been charged for any of those cases. By the last one, I no longer wanted a new candidate on the republican side. I was more committed to Trump then I'd ever been. I wanted another term for Trump to be the consequence of weaponizing the justice system. And then the failed assassination attempt sealed it. They tried to take him down with justice system, with the media, and then they even tried to kill him. He won because the left wouldn't leave him alone.
The money is in Trump. For the press, especially. They bit the hand that feeds them and he was elected, again. It’s a vicious circle but nowhere was it more obvious than 2016.
This was a big one for sure. The dems aren't even close to realizing the problems though. They all collectively have hatred in their hearts and you can see it in every single person who hates Donald Trump.
The majority of democrats wanted Donald Trump dead. It felt eerie and dangerous. It still does
They/them so mad.
So what? .. you don't want the justice system to try to convict felonies ?
I went through the exact same process. My conspiracy is that they wanted to run against Trump and that’s why they did all of that rather than let him fade away.
They're so OBLIVIOUS it's honestly SAD!
74,169,601 people voted for a woman 😂
Well. I'm sure the wiki page is still at 98.8% counted so far. I'm waiting for it to get to 100%. Then I will be able to tell what number sat out.
Please stick with this view for the next twenty or so years. It will guarantee republicans win!
Not sure what I took from this......I guess the message is that voters are underwhelmed by many aspects of today's Dems. And it's probably too early to say much more than that.
But it's always a great listen, Astead. Thanks for your perspective and insightfully frustrated brand of journalism. And thanks for bringing us in to meet your family, happy thanksgiving.
What I took away was a bunch of people insisting on dividing everyone by race and then being surprised that caused division within their party and then doubling down on racial divides. Say what you will about the republicans but they welcome everyone into their tent as Americans first and foremost.
Also, why not a black man? Lol that just shows you how the Democratic Party sees black men, color shouldn’t even be the first focus in identifying a candidate
ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID !
On the topic of the Democrats supposedly needing to be less vocal about LGBTQ+ rights, my point of view as a member of the community was that Kamala Harris barely said anything about us. What I see way more of is Republican politicians and pundits talking about us and trying to pass laws that restrict LGBTQ+ rights. In light of the current wave of anti-LGBTQ+ policies, I wonder what going quiet on supporting our rights means. I am worried that not talking about LGBTQ+ rights would make it easier to pass and enforce laws that make our lives harder. There's also a part of me that wonders if less support for the LGBTQ+ community from the Democrats ultimately supports the goals of people who want to take away our rights by attaching a stigma to supporting us, something that has historically been an obstacle to LGBTQ+ rights movements. I just don't see how one of the lessons from this election is to support the LGBTQ+ community less, especially when I barely see any support coming from the Democrats as it is.
You are applying too broad a brush to the policy differences on LGBTQ issues.
There is broad majority support for adults doing what they prefer sexually.
There is also broad majority support for keeping women's sports for biological women and keeping biological men out women's locker rooms, and also for holding off on permanent medical procedures that would change the gender of children before they reach the age of consent.
If the Democratic party doesn't make some accommodation on these issues it will not be a majority party.
@@kevinwoolley7960 This is the fundamental problem with D politics, and it's bound to get worse.
Hypothetically, on any issue X it's possible to possible to propose terrible a policy Y. Before the party as a whole gets behind policy Y, there should be robust debate on its pros and cons, included unintended consequences. Debate, however has become forbidden in the D party b/c of cancel culture. Across a widening swath of policies, Ds are simply unable to say no. They then turn around and try to say that because you're against terrible policy Y, you're against issue X and all the people who have a stake in it. You can only do that so many times until you've destroyed your credibility and your brand. That's what Ds are in the process of doing.
You’re doing a good enough job attaching stigma to yourselves. Drag queens reading to children, public nudity at your parades, men demanding to compete in sports against women .. at what time does a stigma become basic characteristics
The problem is that democrats are not vocal about LGBT rights, they are vocal about the most fringe and divisive issues resulting in the alienation of people with common sense
This was a really interesting article. As someone who sincerely couldn’t understand why people were saying Harris was “too left” despite she was a status quo candidate, this focus group really helped me reflect on my own biases and perspectives. My takeaway here from this sample size is that the democrats see themselves as altruistic and community voters, and yet, when asked, even this group chose to scapegoat minoritized groups they felt took away from candidates that otherwise should’ve been “more for them”. I definitely don’t think the DNC has made good decisions in reaching out to their voters, but to learn simply talking about LGBT issues was too much because one of the most historically democratic groups even felt they were “too conservative” for it was insanely eye opening. It really helped put into perspective for me how much religion and its cultural hallmarks still holds America very tightly each election cycle.
An amazing conversation. Democrats need to build solidarity.
I’m surprised NYT posted this without further editing, tbh. I’m not even sure what the point is, other than to make people sound ignorant. 😢
It’s quite racist towards Latinos & other demographics as well, & I’m sure you wouldn’t air a program of Latinos speaking this way about black Americans
@@scarletsletter4466 well, the majority of people use this level of analysis (if you can call it all that) in deciding who to vote for, so I think it's a useful vignette. the part I found most striking is how they concluded the democrats need to run a white man next time, since they didn't really grasp what features made Hilary and Kamala unlikable.
So much misinformation from these people 😂
Yes, preach. People sho don't have a sense, a knowledge and a love of history, and that is a major part of America's problem. We need a love of education, a passion for positive change, and the gift of empathy to, in turn, pay forward.
This is my favorite podcast episode yet. Wonderful.
This was very insightful just people giving how they feel
I'd also llke to interrogate the idea that voting from individual interest is always selfishness. The woman in Michigan that you interviewed wanted her job back because she loved working on cars but also because she wanted to work with addicts and she wanted to cultivate high quality adult relationships, neither of those things she could do when living in a state of financial insecurity. The idea of filling your own cup so you can serve othes better has gained traction and culture and it is not selfishness. It's not even mere survivalism -- although I do think survivalism played a large role in driving people to vote for Trump, I also think there's a sense that Democrats are not talking about prosperity at all for anyone other than the top 10%. It feels to me sometimes like I'm being pushed to live in a tiny house and take the handouts that Dems might throw me. That's not the life a lot of people want to live. They don't mind working hard, innovating, in exchange for a better lifestyle. In fact I think for a lot of Americans, if you take that away, they lose day-to-day motivation. I'm very sorry people feel that America's election of Trump is a rejection of them personally because I think the amount of people for whom that is true (people who voted to punish or hurt women and minorities) is very small. I think more people just want to see the country safe from foreign wars and return to a more prosperous time for all Americans. I live in a blue state so I didn't worry about Kamala Harris not winning in my state. I wrote in Michelle Obama because I so badly wanted to vote for a black woman but I just could not vote for Kamala Harris for all of the reasons and all the others that people are also talking about. It was a disasterous cycle for Democrats over and it probably is a good idea to take a step back and let people build up their individual lives so they hopefully will have more to bring to the political arena in a year or two. Right now it's just sadness. I feel it so hard, I cried through the whole episode. Thank you so much for your work ❤
Keep your head up ✊✊ it's going to be okay there will be better days ahead 🤝🤝🤝
Hearing this, my people still don't get it
As a people, we have to get out of this mindset to vote for our best interests vs voting as a monolith. We will get no where with this thinking
This conversation is repetitive. All I hear over and over is complaining that identity politics broke down and avoiding admitting it's a bad idea.
I found this so enlightening. I hope that lots of people will listen to this podcast.
Go. Full. Populist.
and loose harder , Yay !!
Between gerrymandering and the electoral college adding in the hopeless wage disparities.People did nt back up the Harris/ Walz ticket.Its a shame and we own it.Only about half the citizens vote here in the U.S.Its beyond crazy.
abortion, minimum wage, and paid sick leave passed as ballot measures even in the reddest states. these were all things tim walz championed. the corporate democratic strategists and advisors derailed the harris campaign and stopped her from providing any of these popular policies and only propose curated policies that were donor approved. the kamala harris that emerged in the first few weeks of her campaign was genuinely inspirational, she talked about all of those things. soon after they turned her from 2008 obama to 2016 hillary clinton. and hilariously it was her brother-in-law who sabotaged her campaign. teaming up with republicans was genuinely the worst thing her campaign did. the cheneys are hated in america
Bingo. The democrats had the chance and biden shit the bed. When prices were spiking, nothing was done to combat it. Democrats even voted for trumps border bill. At that point, why even vote for a Democrat if they are just going to be a republican?
This isn't the only factor, but it's a big part of it. We can only hope that this weakens the power of the DNC, and that any future candidates will be unimpressed by their demands of "adopt our policy positions or we won't give you access to these out-of-touch idiots who will ruin your campaign for you".
Or better yet, replace the DNC with some people who actually have struggled in life.
So she's blameless? It's not her fault? I don't want an unblameable person as President. What happened to the buck stops with me?
@@andremiller1566 i never said that. but it is VERY obvious that something happened that made her campaign go off the rails. in like her very first speech she said, and i paraphrase, that we have to change the economic system that has been a demonstrable failure for the last 50 years. she never went back to that energy ever again. every attempt she did to talk about price gouging, going after investors holding the housing market hostage, taxing billionaires she pretty much got called a communist by the media. so much so that they had to wheel mark cuban out to call her an uber-capitalist. her brother-in-law works for uber (lol) and pretty much told her to stop attacking corporations. which is extremely hilarious because bill kristol, the famous neocon, said she should have gone back to her populist messaging because even he saw that it was more effective
@@andremiller1566 i never said that
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to this! Thank you!!!
Big problem with Nyt aswell as other outlets like NPR, the readers live in a bubble and echo chamber where they dont to hear the other side, but when you guys hear the other side, you mark them off as facists automatically. What gives? I say this as some who is a centrist and willing to hear both sides and to have empathy, not willing to play aged old Secular American Calvinism duality/binary that many Americans morally practice that is in full display. It's nice to see Nyt to go to a middle/working class black community and see full display how hard it is for democrats to win, when your bread and butter voter don't see eye to eye with white liberals and elite democrats who run much of the country. Next 20 years is going to be interesting.
Well said.
Hey man, have you considered how you really aren't smart enough to hear other views, and really your opinions should be given to you from the TV?
I can't believe they lost
If you think NYT reporters automatically consider conservatives fascists, you’re the one living in a bubble. This guy has been traveling all over the country talking to all kinds of voters for years.
I remember when the Democrats were the champions of free speech even for those they abhor. At some point this changed so that the Republicans were the more tolerant party willing to agree to disagree. I think this shift towards more intolerance of differing opinions for the Democrats helped build up the election results of this year.
"Now let's talk to the people who know best about what went wrong: the ones who f*cked it up..."
Can you imagine going home to your family and Gathering everybody around brother sisters aunts and uncles what a beautiful family celebration. At our beautiful family celebrations we have both lefties and righties and I hate everybody's. My question is if your family all believes the exact same thing you guys are incredibly indoctrinated I would say that about the conservatives too if you're all sitting around and everyone of you is saying the exact same thing your family is not thinking correctly
This is the best discussion of our politics and elections results. Keep doing what you do, thanks.
I always wondered if other groups of Americans discuss race and identity so often as some African Americans do?
if they dont have the history we have with america why would they? yall love to act like its just random we share this collective belief with no reason
Disgruntled voters didn’t want to vote for Harris or Hillary Clinton.
I am A Republican, and I would vote for Condoleezza Rice in a heart beat. Nothing to do with race or gender.
They still don’t get it…
Black people dont get it?