Not an industry standard. Instead, Pro Tools is just a habit…and habits are hard to break, even when better “habits” (fill in the blank with your favorite, more productive DAW of choice) are right before your eyes.
There is nothing more productive then what is the best fit for the creator, mixer, producer behind the daw etc.. Just tools. There are people killing it w garageband, FL, Pro tools is and was the only habit I started in 2000. I've had a career w my pro tools habit ever since. but you right, there are better choices for someone getting into this now. I love pro tools know it like the back of my hand. So its also true its been a 24 yr habit.
This is not true. I use Cubase, but PT is the industry standard because of its compatibility with all external gear (vintage or new). So for ITB mixing it is up to the engineer, but if you have a studio with a $100,000.00 console in it…chances are you will use PTs like all the other BIG studios… and they have all the DAWS, but once again the the console will run into PT. This is why it is the industry standard as most pro studios still record using consoles and outboard gear. Please stop misleading people UA-cam. There’s too much confusion in this world.
@@leestoner3423 Yep, you can create w anything, but Pro tools can record 64 inputs from hardware interfaces w/o flinching routed from an SSL and Neve Console Orchestral recording
That is true - live in Germany and almost all „Major Studios“ in my City are closed by now. Its now the project studio that remains - a good tracking chain, proper Monitoring and 1 single treated room where all the work is done.
It seems to still very much be the industry standard for arrangement and tracking vocals. A lot of producers that make their beats outside of Pro Tools will throw their stems and multi tracks into Pro Tools for arrangement and track vocals directly into Pro Tools.
That industry still exists. I still track orchestras, bands and live concerts. We also use it to record Grammys and other shows as well. It just doesn’t exist in your neighborhood. But in mine, it definitely still exists
True, plus many of the big studios had used HD systems for years for their capabilities to record 192 inputs simultaneously which is great for Film/Orchestra recordings. IT doesn't mean that the big studios don't work w producers, writers who don't use pro tools. Many people use diff daw for their creativity.
When they say industry standard they're not talking about the programs feature richness, they're referring to the big dogs in the industry were using it.
Yes, and the format most used to interface with movie/TV production. If you want to deal with those production teams, you're required to use certain programs and PT is the sine qua non for audio.
Not exactly. They are talking about what Biko said in the beginning. To interface with other studios, producers, and to turn in archival session to labels. Also, TV/Post in the USA, there is nothing else.
Does this comment even make sense to you as you typed it? 😅 That's like saying, Ford and Dodge aren't the industry standard for ALL police stations for their features, but because EVERY police station uses them. 😅🤦♂️ There's a REASON the 'big dogs' use it.
@@cavrenodem2436 The reason is Pro Tools was there first, they came out in the early 90's when computers were barely reaching the point that they could run a DAW. By the time their competitors came out with serious products in the mid to late 2000's Pro Tools was so used and invested in, because as Barry Johns' points out Avid's thing is to make you buy all these extras (interfaces and such, very overpriced) , that it made no sense for professional studios to turn their back on 15-20 year of investement amounting to 10s of thousands $ of equipement.
I learned on Pro tools 6. I'm pro tools for life. Its been my standard and has helped me to make a living for the past 20 yrs buy my house etc.. I still use pro tools because it works for me. The best DAW is the one that works for you. These are tools. People make amazing music w Logic, Studio One, Cubase, FL, Reason, Ableton, Analog, machines, and even GARAGE BAND. Anything goes.The fact that PT lacked features didn't affect me, it made me work harder and forced me to be more creative. I would recommend a newbie to start on something other than pro tools for all the above reasons. It may not be the industry standard, but many records we love have been recorded on PT. NOTHING is the industry standard, Neve, SSL consoles, Neumann Mics, are not the industry standard. Anything goes.
You are right. Times change and so does technology. 20 years ago we never had a Tesla, but technological advancement has allowed someone other than the known, acceptable automobile manufacturers to come out with this. Evolution will happen. So the point it, evolve or eventually get left behind, PT. …… so to this original comment, I totally agree. Use what works best for you….
@@Jg-be7it What's amateur is worrying about trivial terms like that. Professionals including myself know what a mf means when they say stems. The terms are interchangeable at this point.
@@DoomzDale Not trivial, not interchangeable. Stems are already mixed, bus prints of vocals, drums, and instrument sections. Multi tracks are each individual track from a session. Huge difference.
I've being making music off and on for over 30 years. I was a Cubase guy, then I moved over to Reason, and now I'm working with Ableton, Logic X, and Bitwig Studio, and Reaper. I tried to get into Pro Tools a while back because of this thing I heard that you needed to do everything in Pro Tools. I'm doing stuff for myself and not really working with others on music. I never really bought into the Pro Tools thing. I trade audio stems with my brother if I need to but it is Ableton and Reason for me.
I started on Reason 4 then moved to Reason 5&6 then after that moved onto Ableton and been loyal to it ever since. Honestly it was the best decision as far as on a creative aspect. When it comes to mixing I just don’t like how sensitive the sound engine is. Mind u every drum pack is hella processed now so if u even increase it to -7, -8dB that shit clippin lol… I just stopped givin af lmaoooo 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️😂😂😂😂
Thats true but for my workflow, Pro tools has kept me rockin for 20 yrs. I know it like the back of my hand. I work with many clients who use Logic, Cubase, Ableton, FL. whatever works best is best.
@@walterpreston9663 Jesus showed up for me in 2004 after purchasing and learning pro tools. IT helped me get my career which is still going. Thank ya Jesus
@@King-oj8hrPeople in the industry use FL Studio also. A lot of producers in the industry especially the younger producers, uses FL Studio. FL Studio is a DAW and not only you can make beats on it but you can also record songs on there. The latest version plug-ins and sounds are insane.
@King-oj8hr now what does that have to do with his statement? If bro likes to use FL for everything (which it's obviously completely capable of) let him do it. Yall come on here and just be mean for no reason istg 😂
@ he’s making a statement on a video making false statements. It has everything to do with those statements. This is about the industry standard not “home setup standards” ….. yall just be soft for no reason whatsoever
that's the part noone ever goes into how protools got those studios to lock themselves into their ecosystem in the 90s most users knew it was ancient in comparison to cubase/nuendo, even before 2002 part of it was the hardware (looking back- genius move to go to manufacturers first) and the second part is marketing (telling studios the competition was using it) - it was all about the hardware after that the consumers followed (using the term industry standard)
Well said Bolo...been using Reaper and/or Logic for years...they have everything one needs, and no need to mortgage your soul! (eg..Logic comes w/ +70g of audio and loops!) Plus once you own it you OWN it!
I think Pro Tool Sonic Drops have it over 70Gb and with loops, 3rd party plugins, etc. and you can buy the perpetual so you still own it. By the time you buy the scripts you need to have Reaper do all the same stuff as PT, you spend more than you would've on Logic, and close to what you would for PT. And, you still wont readily have the same functionality. This is coming from someone that uses mostly Reaper myself
Back around 2000 I got into the most slept on DAW in existence and it’s still going strong, it’s called Digital Performer now known as DP by a company out of Massachusetts called MOTU. It was probably the most advanced DAW even with all the others around with features like time stretching, dragging vocal tuning, quantize vocals and other things I can’t remember off the top but midi editing was a breeze, oh also it had a feature for scoring movies on the fly and it was used for Toy Story 3 Mission Impossible 3 to name a couple of big projects. I’m done my rant just wanted to mention this
Heck yeah!!! That’s what I learned on. And miss it terribly. I’ve been wanting to go back to DP!!! I started with DP 2.5 on an old school power Mac tower. Where 4gz of hard drive space you were doing big. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 My engineer switched from Mac to Windows. And from DP to Reaper. So that means I did to be able to send him sessions. In reality I can use any DAW. But they all have their own features and work flow.
Bolo, I appreciate you shedding light on this. It’s right on time. Your transparency and in-depth description is gon help a lot of people have a better experience makin music and saving some bucks. BTW: last year, after hearing you talk bout Zsounds, I went and got me some gear. Preciate you for all you do for the community.
@@sanjulianx for beat making I can’t even front, it’s FL Studio all day. I remember the FL vs. Reason arguments of about 15 years ago, I was and still am team Reason. But Image Line listens to their users and has been getting better and better while with Reason, I can’t recommend it to a new user as much as I love it. They’re stuck.
Protools is the industry standard, but not for reasons discussed in the video. First of all it is basically the first DAW or the first DAW to be widely adopted so most pro engineers came up using it. 2nd of all because it is a mature DAW, all external hardware is made to be compatible with protools as it was the first DAW to be widely adopted. In other words, all the large consoles (Neve, SSL, etc) work seamlessly with protools and most pro engineers are familiar with this set up. External hardware may work other DAWS, but ALL gear is compatible with protools. This is why it PT is the industry standard. So please know all DAWs are fine for ITB mixing, but don’t cry if you can’t hook a vintage console up to your Ableton or Logic Pro set up!
It was not the first widely adopted DAW. Cubase is clearly the first. Cakewalk had a good shot but lost it. The Pro Tools edge is that it was the strongest to market proprietary hardware integration. Creamware was arguably first on that front.
I use Reason 12 now because it’s easy to use. I use pro tools for people that bring PT sessions, but for my personal music it’s Reason all day everyday. Nuendo was where I started as well, and I still play around with it on my old laptop with Windows 95! 🤣🤷🏾♂️🤘🏾
My protools hdx system is rock solid ,not switching anytime soon,love it for my particular workflow,use what works best for you.,at the end of the day it’s the tune that makes all the difference
I started recording inside Sonic Foundry's Vegas Pro v1, then Cakewalk Sonar 3, Then Nuendo v2, Then Pro Tools 6,7,8,9,10,11 and then Studio One v1 and never looked back. Now I have every Daw that's out there but Studio One has been nothing but amazing for me. Now I'm in v7 and I love it.
@itswiz4785 There's just so much you can do inside Studio One with just a click of a button and how easy and fast it does the job that I could never see myself going back to Pro Tools. I mean I still have it available if needed, but it's collecting dust inside my drive 😂
I could never afford pro tools. So I used multiple versions of cakewalk sonar until the company went out of business. I floated thru daws like beatmaker, reasons, and FL Studio until I stumbled across studio one from buying a presonus interface. Now studio one is almost exclusively my go-to daw for making music.
@hectorheckler6327 I've only used versions of Cakewalk. Most recently went from Cakewalk by Bandlab to the new Sonar by Cakewalk. Cost me $70 for a year subscription, wondering it they're going to keep it as a subscription or go with a one time license. I'm 67 and can't see myself learning a new DAW at this point in my life. What DAW would you suggest if you were me? I'm just a home hobbyist playing keyboard (Korg M50), e drums (Roland td-17kvx), and recording vocals. I use Kontakt 7, EZ Drummer 3, Ample Guitar, bunch of plug ins. I'm STILL learning new things in Sonar after all these years. From what I read, people seem to love Reason. Thanks.
Depends. Most big software publishers limit file portability, if they can get away with it. I only know that Bitwig is working on project cross-compatibility with Ableton, and Reaper can open some older generic formats…
That was part of what set it apart. It's the same with Apple products before steve jobs died. Everything works and it works as well as it possibly can because it is all programmed for that specific hardware. Just like when jobs died and they started making more than 3 different models and started to have problems, compatibility issues, and general quality drop - people started to complain pro tools crashes all the time if their system wasn't configured for live audio
I remember telling folks back in the mbox gen 1 days that Pro Tools wasn't a standard but a preference. I left that ship a long time ago and understand that folks do have a use case for it. You hit the nail on the head with the features of other DAWs. I always found the work flow limiting in Protools, which is why I have always recommended other DAWs to my friends.
@ Not so fast!! lol!!! I actually do all of my recording there and beat making. Getting professional sounding records people just don’t know how to use it.
@@Fibonacci_Alpha FL is great for beats....and yes Im aware people record vocals in there...but FL is at the BOTTOM of the list for vocal production.....
@@Fibonacci_Alpha Yeah it's my go to DAW as well. I'm not talking about the quality of the recordings though I'm talking about the workflow. If I'm recording a full drumkit or a whole band I wouldn't want to personally use FL for that. If I'm recording bass or guitar for a beat I would use it.
As an OG PT user I can say you’re spot on w/your analysis. They’re like Apple, get your grandfathered in and hold you hostage. The ransom is a learning curve most of us don’t have time for.
Pro Tools is and always has been the indusrty standard. Studios have too much invested in the Pro Tools system to switch. I am a musician for a living since 1987 and every studio I have ever recorded in since the DAW was introduced uses PT. I still use PT when necessary but I do most of my work in Reaper now. Great video and gives us something to think about. Thank you!
Before finishing the video, your first statement just confirmed why Pro Tools is the industry standard. You are still using PT because your clients want to bring you sessions and then take those sessions to other studios. 😎 The fact that for 20 years over 90% of all recorded music was done in Pro Tools means that all those little extras that the newer DAWs had that PT didn't, means that they weren't really needed. They just maybe made things quicker and easier. Pro Tools became the dominant digital audio workstation (DAW) for commercial music production in the late 1990s and maintained its stronghold throughout the 2000s and early 2010s. By this time, over 90% of commercially recorded music was done on Pro Tools, particularly in major studios. Its dominance started to diversify after the mid-2010s, as other DAWs like Logic Pro, Ableton Live, FL Studio, and Cubase gained popularity.
I used to hear so many things from customers about PT being industry standard. I can go on and on for days. I started out with Cubase when I didn't really understand how daws worked to learn how to record/mix. I used logic and Studio one as well. I have a long story 😂😂😂😂 I around 2017 started tracking with Logic because musicians use it a lot then I grab the files to mix in PT. I never make people feel bad etc for not using PT. A lot of daws have pros and cons. I tell people get things according to their workflow not going for something that's popular especially if you don't know what you're doing. Wait for it somebody gonna argue 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Happy New Year man keep helping people!! God bless
I still use Pro Tools for tracking vocals, but use Logic for creating music exclusively. When Pro Tools hit the scene, every major studio I worked with used Pro Tools with high quality interfaces & sound cards, which is how it sort of became the industry standard. Other Daws weren't running with those types of interfaces & sound cards. The big studios swore by it and really pulled us in that direction. I got my start with CakeWalk and moved to Digital Performer and eventually had to include Pro Tools because most studios wanted a PT session.
As a Recording, Mixing and Mastering Engineer, as well as an artist myself, I use Logic. Lots of studios I’ve tried to work in don’t use Logic at all, and swear by the “Pro Tools Is Industry Standard” phrase 🙄🙄
After investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in Avid/Digidesign gear, people aren’t rushing to throw these dinosaurs away. Many studios are still relying on old Mac operating systems just to keep Pro Tools running. Iconic control surfaces like the C24 and D-Command are still in use, even though Avid no longer supports them. Me personally i never like Protools since the very beginning because of the proprietary Hardware. I was a digital performer and Motu head til i Moved on to Logic.
Use whatever you like, get it sounding the way you like it. I don't care what's trending. Coming from a logic pro 9 user / iPad . I only need a daw to record my tracks.
Same here. Still on PT11 too with the SoundGrid server. Works just fine for mixing and finalizing songs that I make in other DAWs. Im still a Reason user. Trying out Cubase now.
I think when people say that Pro Tools is the industry standard, they mean for arrangement and tracking vocals, because it seems that a lot of producers that don't even actually create within Pro Tools will often still send their stems and multi tracks to Pro Tools for arrangement and if they track vocals do so directly into Pro Tools. Most of these producers say that Pro Tools is great for arranging. I've tried Pro Tools several times and I just couldn't get into it. Maybe that's because I didn't start with it and so I just don't have the patience to learn it. 🤷🏻♂️
This. It is second to none for editing audio files -> playlisting, comping and doing multitrack, in phase edits. I have not seen a daw do those things in even the same breathe.
@@FritzGillis reaper and studio one had done that for me in the past and I think reaper has like 10 times of doing it so you can choose whatever suits you best
I think people forget that the audio industry doesn't just mean music too. The movie and video game side of audio (both music and sound design) are the largest of them all (by a lot). Most of the prominent sound designers I see on social media or interviews are rocking Pro Tools too. Post production as a whole at higher levels seem to be dominated by PT. I used to use PT (still do), and am on Reaper mostly, but PT is objectively just incredibly efficient with time and handling functions, but it's not as flexible as I wish it were (looking at you MIDI implementation).
@ like I said on my other post, I’ve seen other DAWs try to implement these features; I have not seen another DAW get it to the standard of ProTools. Maybe Reaper has… I def have my doubts.
Reaper is the greatest, they just needed to hire a decent designer for the GUI lol. They don't have anti piracy checks and rechecks (that consume a lot of resources) so it runs more smoothly than any other app I've seen in my life (and I'm using a mac studio M1, it still makes difference). Sounds good, the built in stretch algorithm is very nice, more straight forward than any daw, more customizable than any daw, you can setup shortcuts for any task of sequence of tasks, and the new takes editing is the best, and I've seen takes editing of all the major daws. I'm using ableton/push3 for producing but when it comes to organize things, mixing or serious whole track editing, Reaper is king.
I absolutely LOVE Reaper, I been using it for years but my only con is if your especially new to music creation or mixing is Reaper has "nothing" obviously it has A LOT, What I mean is it's so plane WITCH is a great thing for running it like it's light weight but i want to use a daw that does everything plus has literally basically everything you could ever possibly need and do not need to buy any 3rd party plugins so I tried 4 other daws, logic, FL Studio, Stuio One and Cubase and the one I landed on an is the best is Cubase Pro 14, mixing and mastering is amazing, the stock plugins are the absolute best and high quality, not to mention the instruments that come with it and beat arranging or composing. You even get a Cubase version of Vocal Align, Melodyne and Auto-Tune witch I completely switched to the Cubase versions and work literally just as good, plus the new vocal chain!?... My god everything you need, plus built in Dobly Atmos mixin (no 3rd party,) high quality orchestral "iconica sketch" that is easily be $800 if bought somewhere else, it's just once I tried Cubase pro 13 (now I'm on 14)... Even though Reaper had more customization and cheaper like WAY cheaper it just felt like a daw that was the goat but expect you to have plugins and where Cubase at least now, I never used it back in the day but now... It's literally buy it, own it and immediately start creating without thinking "okay I wanna make this but I don't have this, or this plugin works but want something more powerful" one thing I learned is Steinberg DOES NOT play around when it comes to there Stock Plugins. Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to change your mind, I freakin love Reaper and I would even say don't switch because from the sounds of it you have been doing this for years and have everything you need and bought many plugins so you would not really benefit from it... But for someone who is new or newish, I would 10000% recommend Cubase more.
Reaper really is the Volvo of DAWS. Ugly as sin but immensely powerful and reliable. I've been a committed Reaper user for about four years. I will NEVER even get my head around half of its functionality. And the only time it ever crashes is because of some third party plug-in screwing up.
I recently got the perpetual license for Pro Tools, coming most recently from Cubase but having alot of history in Cakewalk/Sonar. I almost hate to admit it but I like it quite a bit. You said it feels like a program from 2008, it’s odd but that’s probably why it appeals to me. I think if you are just comparing the software itself not hardware or user base or anything, you can make an excellent argument that Cubase is a more powerful program, however Pro Tools just feels more focused on the immediate business of recording a production to me. I think as far as the industry standard label, the industry has massively changed and you can create amazing work in whichever daw you are most familiar with. I think though the path to actually monetizing your work as a business, Protools is the path of least resistance. People with actual budgets, working in a network with other businesses are likely using Protools, it’s not so much the creative industry standard as it is the economic industry standard.
Yeah I get the "focused" part, PT is pretty intuitive to anyone familiar with physical mixers more than software, while Cubase had a somewhat steep learning curve for me. However I pretty much went the opposite direction since I've used Nuendo in a TV job for several years, and I jumped ship back when Avid went subscription only 🤷♂️
I started out with Cubase SE then Studio One, then Avid and now I use Logic Pro X. Out of all of those, Studio One is the one I liked the most before switching to a Mac. Cubase came with my Lexicon interface and I learned so much on that DAW. I from the old days of hardware but I can say new technologies technology has allowed me to build and rebuild my Studio several times over with low cost!
PT is, without any doubt, the industry standard. You want to work in post? Dubbing? Scoring? Live recording? Mixing in big professional studios? Better know Pro Tools. I love Cubase, Logic and Reaper, worked with Nuendo, Ableton, and others, and for my little project studio and composing I happen to use Cubase. But when interfacing with the professional audio world, Pro Tools reigns supreme. You said as much in the first 30 seconds after the intro. Nothing has shifted. Post tape, PT has been the industry standard, full stop.
ProTools is the industry standard like Windows is the main OS in majority Fortune 500 companies. Big studios had already invested in PT before the other DAWS became readily available. You walked in any large brick and mortar studio and PT was it. Over the years as bedroom producers have evolved. The DAWS have evolved. The music has evolved PT is still the king of big boy studios with them larger budget.
I think you’re not”clear” on what we mean when people say pro tools is the industry standard. ‘Industry standard’ means that most of professionals in this industry are pro tools users and that is 100% true. It has nothing to do with the features vs another DAW. You even said it yourself in the first 3 minutes of this video. You, I, and many others still use pro tools because if you work in this industry, 99% of everyone still use PT. ACTUALLY, I personally hate pro tools and switched to Studio One 12 years ago. I try to stay in studio one at all costs. However, I still have many clients that send me PT sessions and I need to at least be able to extract the audio out of PT so I can bring that into studio one. So, is PT the industry standard? It absolutely is, unfortunately but like you I see that slowly changing, but it’s a very slow change.
One of the new features of Cubase 14 (Pro and Artist versions only): Session exchange (Importing\Exporting projects) from other DAW's for collaboration sessions. Not sure, if it supports the "industry standard"- Probably with additional subscriptions, fees, and a decade or two of developments. 🤔
Yea cubase is not common in the states I used it a little when I first got my tascam interface. Starting to use pro tools and might buy logic cause why not I do wanna see what all the daws do
It's kinda like a contradiction to say he is obligated to have pro tools because when he record other artist they could take their sessions to other studio meaning that other studios have protools then saying it's not an industry standard.🤣🤣🤣🤣
The contradicting anything. I need it people use it, just like I said in video, I have Logic Studio etc… for artist who have needs for those programs as well.
Bishop Bolo preaching again. I have to agree again. I have a pro tools license and just recently moved it out my dock in favor of Logic Pro. Without a template boy it can be a disaster using pro tools. Logic I can start a session from scratch and get to recording in seconds. I like pro tools grid technology but setting up is dreadful. The industry standard will most likely be what is widely available/affordable with all in one tools to produce, record, mix and master efficiently.
Logic pro is the bollocks. Drum machine designer is a game changer. Its sampler is superb also. Its stock synths are killer. Its AI mastering is fly as well
I still luv pro tools. Pro tools does have a sampler. Highlighting tracks to send to a bus? It is possible with key comands. Might take you a couple of steps more but, it is not that difficult. Pro tools was designed more to replace 2 inch tape recorders and it is great at that. I could use midi fine with pro tools.
I saw the same video from Barry and he’s absolutely right. And I remember…I had Logic on PC as well. And the new Logic 11 has stem splitter…Pro Tools doesn’t.
People still make fun of me for using Studio one but having already tried almost every DAW, right now as a full time music producer, Studio One is The one ☝🏿 for me. 5years and still zero complaints
I went from Sonar to Reaper... Reaper is the best.. light on the system heavy on the possibilities... FL is incredible as well.. been on that since the beginning
WHATS UP BIG BRO? I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. I FIND YOUR CONTENT INFORMATIVE , EDUCATIONAL, AND MOST OF ALL INTUITIVE. I AM A REASON'S AND NATIVE INSTRUMENT USER , AND I AM FEELING THIS WAY WITH PROTOOLS AS WELL AS REASON. THE GROWTH RATE SEEMS NON-EXISTENT. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS.?
Awesome video Bolo. I too remember Nuendo and how dope it was. I went to LA Recording School in 2010 and at the beginning of the curriculum they gave us Logic and after a few months they began to teach us using Pro Tools. We were the first class to use the Avid M Box. I too was on the Pro Tools band wagon
I was introduced to Pro Tools and Logic Pro at the same time 15 years ago. At that time Logic was indeed behind, Although I preferred it over Pro Tools, I’d have to use them both in tandem to compensate for the pros and cons of both. This present moment I now use Logic exclusively because it has surpassed Pro Tools. Pro Tools markets as standard, however it is not. If you own the new apple silicon macs, you’re wasting your money on Pro Tools. There’s no other reason to have it other than it’s just what you’re comfortable with, that’s fair. Business model a no-go.
I started with Cubase and rewired FL 7. I’ve worked on reasons, and done recording with PT. But for composition, recording, mixing, Studio One gives me more than I need and is stable. I also love the community that is helpful and is always open to suggestions
Yep, I rocked a cracked version of Nuendo back in the late 90's-Early 2000's!!! I started with the Fostex R8 --> Cakewalk --> Nuendo --> Pro Tools --> Sonar --> Fruity Loops 3 --> Logic --> Back to Pro Tools --> Ableton Live --> Luna --> Again back to Pro Tools. I can't seem to get away from it because it has it's uses.
I just graduated as a Audio specialist and have a masters in composition and audio engineering for film music ,games and sound design for tv. Here in the London Uk , And I agree with allot of what you are saying here I respect your courage too speak up on these points. I was using Any DAW I could get my hands on (and working with all kinds of clients who used different software )and for pc had Logic and Cubase when Emagic FL 6 ,Rebirth had them with there interfaces , mainly before I started my degree but quickly learned that majority of studios working and mixing where using Protools . I had a copy of protools but it didn’t work on PC with native plugins . Which is why I have always back tracked too Cubase and Ableton for Mixing and for game audio Reaper and Nuendo and Studio 1 which supports 64 bit 96k . But in our degree we was mainly forced too use Logic for production and protools for mixing and recording.
Logic Pro gang since maybe 2007 and now on the 11 and it’s pure fire…🔥🔥🔥 Before that i was on cubase on PC, I tried the Mbox/protools setup on my MacBook Pro in the early 2010 but it was too complicated of a workflow for me. Logic has a ton of professional features and i bet a ton of projects are made strictly on it nowadays. 💯
I feel ya, we started on Mix + and then HDX but thank god sold those systems while we still could. We got so tired of other DAW's having so many more features than Pro Tools. When they started adding all these subscription cash grabs, we finally made the jump to Mac Pro's and Cubase Pro and never looked back. Best decision from a full time working studio point of view. Honestly most of our session file sharing is done with stems anyway, so the DAW is pretty irrelevant in many cases.
I started early in the game with Cubase, it was the standard in studios i used. Started using Pro tools in LA Film School but fell in Love with Logic pro x
I use FL Studio (and Logic Pro from time to time) but I’m thinking about venturing out and trying out other DAWs before I go DAWless. I’ll check out the ones that you mentioned.
Facts !!! early 2000 I was using Cubase Sx , Halion, VST dongle, wavelab , nueudo with a gina 24 sound card on PC. I used Reasons for the drums and beat production, my physical digital sound banks, Midi Roland keyboards and did all the vocals rewired through Cubase connection. and exported everything into one file w/16 channels.
@@BoloDaProducer pre- amp tube to make the vocals sound warm and mixed with tannoy flat speakers for car test sound and Fostex power monitors for that base heavy sound after mixing with the tannoys. Keeping the wires labeled and remembering the wiring inputs & keeping them together was a bitch! Ha! Loved it!
Why does it feel like the more time passes and things (ostensibly) change in music, apparently it’s all still the same? On another related topic, I have yet to deal with a Finale alternative, because that’s how I write new stuff. Any suggestions for notation software?
That is it. Well said Bolo. The day I was introduced to Studio One 4, I never looked back to Pro Tools and that was Pro Tools 9. Avid is just very good at marketing because as you said, many DAWs have so much more than Pro Tools and they been that way for years. We live in the era of working smarter not harder. For me Studio One makes a lot of the work easier and more efficient, you can literally drag and drop anything or everything and Studio One does the rest. You mentioned creating busses in Studio One, yes Bro’ and so many other features. I also must salute Logic as well. In another of your videos you encourage people to learn other DAWs and I agree with you 100% because based on the song you are producing another DAW may be more efficient based on its features for that genre or style of music. You are so correct, being a recording studio owner the primary reason for having Pro Tools is because clients will send Pro Tools sessions. If it’s a mix, I just ask for the files or bounce the tracks out and mix in Studio One. Blessings, 👊🏽🙏🏽
Back in 2009 I was using ProTools 8 with the Maudio interface, and I was working at Guitar Center at the time. I ALWAYS heard ppl talk about how PT was the studio standard, but now I feel like most DAWs can do so much more, and they're always competing.
I'm glad to hear that. I have only used logic pro x It seems to me it depends on the type of music you make. I have felt I should be using Ableton because every tutorial for music that t prefer is always Ableton almost never lpx. But overall no regrets
I was always told pro tools is best for recording but sucks for production. Cubase was the standard for education up to university, in my experience. (UK) I use Cubase still to this day, I’ve tried logic but at the time it wasn’t great for sampling. I am probably going to move over to mpc 3 when it’s fully released. And keep Cubase for exclusive recording sessions. I feel like I’m going to really miss the sampler track on Cubase though 😢 it’s sped up my production work flow 10fold
Emagic Logic wasn’t a PC program before Mac. Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH was founded and Notator Logic[4] was launched for Atari[5] and Macintosh, followed by a version for Windows. The "Notator" was dropped from the name and the product was redesigned from the ground up, and the product became known under the name "Emagic Logic
This kinda feels like the DJ industry where Rekordbox and CDJs are kinda the de facto "industry standard" because that's the gear you typically find in venue booths (clubs, festivals, etc), but can be argued other vendors have pioneered solutions the "industry standard" has played catch up to and/or don't do as well. It can also be argued that other vendors have engineered gear which subjectively offers greater value (more features and less cost) than CDJs. But because so much of the industry runs CDJs by default it effectively promotes and reinforces the expectation that you need to be ready to use it. Furthermore DJs will train themselves on that gear, become change-adverse and expect venues to accommodate their muscle memory, and there's your perpetuating feedback loop.
I just started using Pro Tools after years of dreading the idea since I’ve felt like FL Studio could do it all, it never made sense to me. I have to say, it’s been a very, very smooth experience. Like I don’t even bother arranging my beat until I drag everything into Pro Tools & I spend very little time doing that. The editing is so swift. It also feels like I can focus 100% on mixing/arranging.
I've produced with Reason, FL Studio, Audition, Cubase, and the list goes on. I was an analog guy and went to a studio and the engineer working with DAW"s and I was stuck!!! Where's the knows and buttons and samplers, and outboard gear? So from that day forward I didn't want to feel like dummy for not knowing my shyt!!! I learned everything about any program I looked at after that. When logic first came out I said I didn't need it so I never used it. Did swipe sounds from my buddies tho!!! 😂😂😂😂
The industry standard should be the software (DAW) that works best for you. It is more important to learn the software in and out to completely dominate so that only the creativity is what flows when producing. It is quite refreshing when a pro producer like Bolo Da Producer (sharing his resource in Barry Johns) shares his take on this much ignored topic. Thanks for the honesty and wisdom Bolo for sharing this much needed information for producers out there.
Coming from a multi platinum producer that’s work with the majority of the top engineers, protools is our 1st choice bc of sound and processing power that no other daw can handle. functionality isn’t that important as SOUND QUALITY is the end all be all.. 1. Protools 2. Ableton 3. FL Studio 4. Studio 1. After that no other daw matters bc they sound horrible and LOGIC is the worse sounding of them all.
Not an industry standard. Instead, Pro Tools is just a habit…and habits are hard to break, even when better “habits” (fill in the blank with your favorite, more productive DAW of choice) are right before your eyes.
Best Comment of the Day! This makes a lot of sense 👍🏾
There is nothing more productive then what is the best fit for the creator, mixer, producer behind the daw etc.. Just tools. There are people killing it w garageband, FL, Pro tools is and was the only habit I started in 2000. I've had a career w my pro tools habit ever since. but you right, there are better choices for someone getting into this now. I love pro tools know it like the back of my hand. So its also true its been a 24 yr habit.
This is exactly why I try new DAWS every now and then
This is not true. I use Cubase, but PT is the industry standard because of its compatibility with all external gear (vintage or new). So for ITB mixing it is up to the engineer, but if you have a studio with a $100,000.00 console in it…chances are you will use PTs like all the other BIG studios… and they have all the DAWS, but once again the the console will run into PT. This is why it is the industry standard as most pro studios still record using consoles and outboard gear. Please stop misleading people UA-cam. There’s too much confusion in this world.
@@leestoner3423 Yep, you can create w anything, but Pro tools can record 64 inputs from hardware interfaces w/o flinching routed from an SSL and Neve Console Orchestral recording
Pro Tools is the industry standard for an industry that no longer exists.
That is true - live in Germany and almost all „Major Studios“ in my City are closed by now. Its now the project studio that remains - a good tracking chain, proper Monitoring and 1 single treated room where all the work is done.
Exactly
🎯🎯🎯
It seems to still very much be the industry standard for arrangement and tracking vocals.
A lot of producers that make their beats outside of Pro Tools will throw their stems and multi tracks into Pro Tools for arrangement and track vocals directly into Pro Tools.
That industry still exists. I still track orchestras, bands and live concerts. We also use it to record Grammys and other shows as well. It just doesn’t exist in your neighborhood. But in mine, it definitely still exists
Stems are the industry standard every DAW can export them
THANK YOU! This comment!! 💿😤
Ding ding ding ding ☝🏻☝🏻
They support our leaves and help plants grow big and strong too 🌱🌱
😂 exactly. Why people stress with stems? I can bounce in place any midi and export it without any complications in routing
that is the most used SYSTEM!!! you are correct
I think they mean industry standard because the majority of studios uses pro tools as its main daw.
Exactly
Because of the rack mount units and internal cards feeding large format consoles
@@ET2carbon By now only because everyone else uses it. So they want people that come in to be familiar with the software.
That as well as it was the first Digital Audio that the Major Label signed groups were using, going back to the 90's.
True, plus many of the big studios had used HD systems for years for their capabilities to record 192 inputs simultaneously which is great for Film/Orchestra recordings. IT doesn't mean that the big studios don't work w producers, writers who don't use pro tools. Many people use diff daw for their creativity.
When they say industry standard they're not talking about the programs feature richness, they're referring to the big dogs in the industry were using it.
Yes, and the format most used to interface with movie/TV production. If you want to deal with those production teams, you're required to use certain programs and PT is the sine qua non for audio.
Was lol technology caught up now and past them
Not exactly. They are talking about what Biko said in the beginning. To interface with other studios, producers, and to turn in archival session to labels. Also, TV/Post in the USA, there is nothing else.
Does this comment even make sense to you as you typed it? 😅 That's like saying, Ford and Dodge aren't the industry standard for ALL police stations for their features, but because EVERY police station uses them. 😅🤦♂️ There's a REASON the 'big dogs' use it.
@@cavrenodem2436 The reason is Pro Tools was there first, they came out in the early 90's when computers were barely reaching the point that they could run a DAW. By the time their competitors came out with serious products in the mid to late 2000's Pro Tools was so used and invested in, because as Barry Johns' points out Avid's thing is to make you buy all these extras (interfaces and such, very overpriced) , that it made no sense for professional studios to turn their back on 15-20 year of investement amounting to 10s of thousands $ of equipement.
I learned on Pro tools 6. I'm pro tools for life. Its been my standard and has helped me to make a living for the past 20 yrs buy my house etc.. I still use pro tools because it works for me. The best DAW is the one that works for you. These are tools. People make amazing music w Logic, Studio One, Cubase, FL, Reason, Ableton, Analog, machines, and even GARAGE BAND. Anything goes.The fact that PT lacked features didn't affect me, it made me work harder and forced me to be more creative. I would recommend a newbie to start on something other than pro tools for all the above reasons. It may not be the industry standard, but many records we love have been recorded on PT. NOTHING is the industry standard, Neve, SSL consoles, Neumann Mics, are not the industry standard. Anything goes.
Blah blah sure
@@Gang-25j lol sounds like CAP dont it
@@Gang-25jwhat a useless hating ass comment
Facts 100%
You are right. Times change and so does technology. 20 years ago we never had a Tesla, but technological advancement has allowed someone other than the known, acceptable automobile manufacturers to come out with this. Evolution will happen. So the point it, evolve or eventually get left behind, PT. …… so to this original comment, I totally agree. Use what works best for you….
Logic Pro X for life
God bless you 🙏😭
God bless Logic Pro X 🙏🖥️
God bless President Trump 🙏🙌
Cubase Pro is BETTER!
Im pro tools for life bcz it works for me, Logic is amazing. The best is what works for you.
I prefered Logic9
@@JimboJones99I was with you right up until made it political
I tell my clients to send me STEMS instead of sessions to save me the headache 🤕
SAME
You are correct brother
Pros ask for multitracks. Amateurs ask for stems, because they don't know the difference.
@@Jg-be7it What's amateur is worrying about trivial terms like that. Professionals including myself know what a mf means when they say stems. The terms are interchangeable at this point.
@@DoomzDale Not trivial, not interchangeable. Stems are already mixed, bus prints of vocals, drums, and instrument sections. Multi tracks are each individual track from a session. Huge difference.
I've being making music off and on for over 30 years. I was a Cubase guy, then I moved over to Reason, and now I'm working with Ableton, Logic X, and Bitwig Studio, and Reaper. I tried to get into Pro Tools a while back because of this thing I heard that you needed to do everything in Pro Tools. I'm doing stuff for myself and not really working with others on music. I never really bought into the Pro Tools thing. I trade audio stems with my brother if I need to but it is Ableton and Reason for me.
I started on Reason 4 then moved to Reason 5&6 then after that moved onto Ableton and been loyal to it ever since. Honestly it was the best decision as far as on a creative aspect. When it comes to mixing I just don’t like how sensitive the sound engine is. Mind u every drum pack is hella processed now so if u even increase it to -7, -8dB that shit clippin lol… I just stopped givin af lmaoooo 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️😂😂😂😂
What's your take on Bitwig? I'm thinking of getting that
@@grindextraordinaire9605 idk man I never heard of that honestly. I just used what I discovered. It worked and I just stuck widdit.
A lot of big studios done put thousands of dollars on the avid ecosystem they couldn’t turn back
That is true… I had to cut my loses
Sounds about right.
Thats true but for my workflow, Pro tools has kept me rockin for 20 yrs. I know it like the back of my hand. I work with many clients who use Logic, Cubase, Ableton, FL. whatever works best is best.
Pro Tools is like church 👉🏿 You keep giving to the Reverend but Jesus never shows up.
@@walterpreston9663 Jesus showed up for me in 2004 after purchasing and learning pro tools. IT helped me get my career which is still going. Thank ya Jesus
I been using Fl Studio 15 years I got the latest Pro Tools & Native Instruments and don’t even turn em on and always end up in FL
You’re not in the industry
@@King-oj8hrPeople in the industry use FL Studio also. A lot of producers in the industry especially the younger producers, uses FL Studio. FL Studio is a DAW and not only you can make beats on it but you can also record songs on there. The latest version plug-ins and sounds are insane.
@King-oj8hr now what does that have to do with his statement? If bro likes to use FL for everything (which it's obviously completely capable of) let him do it.
Yall come on here and just be mean for no reason istg 😂
@ he’s making a statement on a video making false statements. It has everything to do with those statements. This is about the industry standard not “home setup standards” ….. yall just be soft for no reason whatsoever
Spoken like a true beat maker. Beat makers use FL, and Reasons. Pros use ProTools 😂
First program I ever recorded on was Cool Edit Pro which is now Adobe audition. Before that all I had heard of was Nuendo.
Cool Edit Pro and Acid are still my go to tools!
Cool Edit 2000 for me.. then a year or 2 later Cool Edit Pro
Using Cubase 14 and love it. Been a Cubase user for many years. It's good with both making beats and recording live instruments/vocals.
Im a pro tools lifer, I often get sessions to mix from Cubase. Its a great tool and has been since the late 90s. Cubase is underrated IMO.
I'm a Cubase user too and recently upgraded to Pro 14 as well.
I been using Cubase since 1997-98
I been using Cubase since 1997
I used to absolutely love Cubase until I got studio one. I’ve thought about getting it again one day
Every major label project I worked on since 1999 involved Pro Tools. Every major studio in NYC had it. I worked at the majority of them
Facts and its still that way
@@djJustJay especially in rock music
@@stephenfrancis303 all professional genres of music recorded in established professional recording facilities
Major studios are now closing. Dying industry
that's the part noone ever goes into
how protools got those studios to lock themselves into their ecosystem in the 90s
most users knew it was ancient in comparison to cubase/nuendo, even before 2002
part of it was the hardware (looking back- genius move to go to manufacturers first) and the second part is marketing (telling studios the competition was using it) - it was all about the hardware
after that the consumers followed (using the term industry standard)
Well said Bolo...been using Reaper and/or Logic for years...they have everything one needs, and no need to mortgage your soul! (eg..Logic comes w/ +70g of audio and loops!) Plus once you own it you OWN it!
Reaper is heavily underrated I love it 🔥🔥🔥
Yep, same with Cubase. No subscription. Once you own it, you own it.
I think Pro Tool Sonic Drops have it over 70Gb and with loops, 3rd party plugins, etc. and you can buy the perpetual so you still own it. By the time you buy the scripts you need to have Reaper do all the same stuff as PT, you spend more than you would've on Logic, and close to what you would for PT. And, you still wont readily have the same functionality. This is coming from someone that uses mostly Reaper myself
Your talent will mean a lot more than what DAW you're using.
Back around 2000 I got into the most slept on DAW in existence and it’s still going strong, it’s called Digital Performer now known as DP by a company out of Massachusetts called MOTU. It was probably the most advanced DAW even with all the others around with features like time stretching, dragging vocal tuning, quantize vocals and other things I can’t remember off the top but midi editing was a breeze, oh also it had a feature for scoring movies on the fly and it was used for Toy Story 3 Mission Impossible 3 to name a couple of big projects. I’m done my rant just wanted to mention this
Motu is the Steinberg of America
doesnt come with the number of stock vst's though, if that's important to the user
Heck yeah!!! That’s what I learned on. And miss it terribly. I’ve been wanting to go back to DP!!! I started with DP 2.5 on an old school power Mac tower. Where 4gz of hard drive space you were doing big. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
My engineer switched from Mac to Windows. And from DP to Reaper. So that means I did to be able to send him sessions.
In reality I can use any DAW. But they all have their own features and work flow.
Bolo, I appreciate you shedding light on this. It’s right on time. Your transparency and in-depth description is gon help a lot of people have a better experience makin music and saving some bucks. BTW: last year, after hearing you talk bout Zsounds, I went and got me some gear. Preciate you for all you do for the community.
Ableton 🔥
Same too
They sleep on Ableton, I think the true standard is a toss up between Ableton or Logic
@ you are right! And for beatmaking between FL and ableton
@@sanjulianx for beat making I can’t even front, it’s FL Studio all day. I remember the FL vs. Reason arguments of about 15 years ago, I was and still am team Reason. But Image Line listens to their users and has been getting better and better while with Reason, I can’t recommend it to a new user as much as I love it. They’re stuck.
I have to agree. Ableton is my go to choice
Protools is the industry standard, but not for reasons discussed in the video. First of all it is basically the first DAW or the first DAW to be widely adopted so most pro engineers came up using it. 2nd of all because it is a mature DAW, all external hardware is made to be compatible with protools as it was the first DAW to be widely adopted. In other words, all the large consoles (Neve, SSL, etc) work seamlessly with protools and most pro engineers are familiar with this set up. External hardware may work other DAWS, but ALL gear is compatible with protools. This is why it PT is the industry standard. So please know all DAWs are fine for ITB mixing, but don’t cry if you can’t hook a vintage console up to your Ableton or Logic Pro set up!
But people already hook their vintage console up to ableton or logic. wtf are you even going on about
It was not the first widely adopted DAW. Cubase is clearly the first.
Cakewalk had a good shot but lost it. The Pro Tools edge is that it was the strongest to market proprietary hardware integration. Creamware was arguably first on that front.
I use Reason 12 now because it’s easy to use. I use pro tools for people that bring PT sessions, but for my personal music it’s Reason all day everyday. Nuendo was where I started as well, and I still play around with it on my old laptop with Windows 95! 🤣🤷🏾♂️🤘🏾
The workflow in Reason is very underrated. I can see myself using it as long as there’s a perpetual licence.
My protools hdx system is rock solid ,not switching anytime soon,love it for my particular workflow,use what works best for you.,at the end of the day it’s the tune that makes all the difference
I started recording inside Sonic Foundry's Vegas Pro v1, then Cakewalk Sonar 3, Then Nuendo v2, Then Pro Tools 6,7,8,9,10,11 and then Studio One v1 and never looked back. Now I have every Daw that's out there but Studio One has been nothing but amazing for me. Now I'm in v7 and I love it.
I have a similar path as you. Once I tried Studio One v2, my affair with Protools was over!
@itswiz4785 There's just so much you can do inside Studio One with just a click of a button and how easy and fast it does the job that I could never see myself going back to Pro Tools. I mean I still have it available if needed, but it's collecting dust inside my drive 😂
I could never afford pro tools. So I used multiple versions of cakewalk sonar until the company went out of business. I floated thru daws like beatmaker, reasons, and FL Studio until I stumbled across studio one from buying a presonus interface. Now studio one is almost exclusively my go-to daw for making music.
@hectorheckler6327 I've only used versions of Cakewalk. Most recently went from Cakewalk by Bandlab to the new Sonar by Cakewalk. Cost me $70 for a year subscription, wondering it they're going to keep it as a subscription or go with a one time license. I'm 67 and can't see myself learning a new DAW at this point in my life. What DAW would you suggest if you were me? I'm just a home hobbyist playing keyboard (Korg M50), e drums (Roland td-17kvx), and recording vocals. I use Kontakt 7, EZ Drummer 3, Ample Guitar, bunch of plug ins. I'm STILL learning new things in Sonar after all these years. From what I read, people seem to love Reason. Thanks.
now u ready for reaper i guess
There should/could be a project export function on all the DAWS to export to the other specified DAW’s format. Is there?
Depends. Most big software publishers limit file portability, if they can get away with it. I only know that Bitwig is working on project cross-compatibility with Ableton, and Reaper can open some older generic formats…
i didn't like the fact that you needed a pro tools compatible interface (MBox/Digi002 etc.) just to be able to use it.
That was part of what set it apart. It's the same with Apple products before steve jobs died. Everything works and it works as well as it possibly can because it is all programmed for that specific hardware. Just like when jobs died and they started making more than 3 different models and started to have problems, compatibility issues, and general quality drop - people started to complain pro tools crashes all the time if their system wasn't configured for live audio
yeah back then it was annoying - thankfully those days have been over for years
Yeah, essentially the audio interface was a dongle.
@@anthonybrett and til this day I still have the digi002 console just collecting dust
@@blud_lyne lol you and me both!
I remember telling folks back in the mbox gen 1 days that Pro Tools wasn't a standard but a preference. I left that ship a long time ago and understand that folks do have a use case for it. You hit the nail on the head with the features of other DAWs. I always found the work flow limiting in Protools, which is why I have always recommended other DAWs to my friends.
I was waiting for Fl Studio mention lol I’m not gone cap😂😂
For beatmaking I'd put it on the list. Not for audio recording though.
@ Not so fast!! lol!!! I actually do all of my recording there and beat making. Getting professional sounding records people just don’t know how to use it.
@@Fibonacci_AlphaI do it too. I have industry standard sounding records 😊
@@Fibonacci_Alpha FL is great for beats....and yes Im aware people record vocals in there...but FL is at the BOTTOM of the list for vocal production.....
@@Fibonacci_Alpha Yeah it's my go to DAW as well. I'm not talking about the quality of the recordings though I'm talking about the workflow. If I'm recording a full drumkit or a whole band I wouldn't want to personally use FL for that. If I'm recording bass or guitar for a beat I would use it.
As an OG PT user I can say you’re spot on w/your analysis. They’re like Apple, get your grandfathered in and hold you hostage. The ransom is a learning curve most of us don’t have time for.
Pro Tools is and always has been the indusrty standard. Studios have too much invested in the Pro Tools system to switch. I am a musician for a living since 1987 and every studio I have ever recorded in since the DAW was introduced uses PT. I still use PT when necessary but I do most of my work in Reaper now. Great video and gives us something to think about. Thank you!
Throwing good money after bad.
@@TravisTenniesIndeed!
Before finishing the video, your first statement just confirmed why Pro Tools is the industry standard. You are still using PT because your clients want to bring you sessions and then take those sessions to other studios. 😎
The fact that for 20 years over 90% of all recorded music was done in Pro Tools means that all those little extras that the newer DAWs had that PT didn't, means that they weren't really needed. They just maybe made things quicker and easier.
Pro Tools became the dominant digital audio workstation (DAW) for commercial music production in the late 1990s and maintained its stronghold throughout the 2000s and early 2010s. By this time, over 90% of commercially recorded music was done on Pro Tools, particularly in major studios.
Its dominance started to diversify after the mid-2010s, as other DAWs like Logic Pro, Ableton Live, FL Studio, and Cubase gained popularity.
I used to hear so many things from customers about PT being industry standard. I can go on and on for days. I started out with Cubase when I didn't really understand how daws worked to learn how to record/mix. I used logic and Studio one as well. I have a long story 😂😂😂😂 I around 2017 started tracking with Logic because musicians use it a lot then I grab the files to mix in PT. I never make people feel bad etc for not using PT. A lot of daws have pros and cons. I tell people get things according to their workflow not going for something that's popular especially if you don't know what you're doing. Wait for it somebody gonna argue 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Happy New Year man keep helping people!! God bless
I’m glad you’re finding what works for you, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise! 🙏
Thanks!
I still use Pro Tools for tracking vocals, but use Logic for creating music exclusively. When Pro Tools hit the scene, every major studio I worked with used Pro Tools with high quality interfaces & sound cards, which is how it sort of became the industry standard. Other Daws weren't running with those types of interfaces & sound cards. The big studios swore by it and really pulled us in that direction. I got my start with CakeWalk and moved to Digital Performer and eventually had to include Pro Tools because most studios wanted a PT session.
Yes it is. Every big mixer, (CLA, TLA, Jack Joseph Puig etc) every big studio, all pro tools.
As a Recording, Mixing and Mastering Engineer, as well as an artist myself, I use Logic.
Lots of studios I’ve tried to work in don’t use Logic at all, and swear by the “Pro Tools Is Industry Standard” phrase 🙄🙄
Logic takes way too long to audition sounds
After investing hundreds of thousands of dollars in Avid/Digidesign gear, people aren’t rushing to throw these dinosaurs away. Many studios are still relying on old Mac operating systems just to keep Pro Tools running. Iconic control surfaces like the C24 and D-Command are still in use, even though Avid no longer supports them. Me personally i never like Protools since the very beginning because of the proprietary Hardware. I was a digital performer and Motu head til i Moved on to Logic.
Logic is a great DAW, too!
I think having all of those programs available is the way to go for a public studio
Use whatever you like, get it sounding the way you like it. I don't care what's trending. Coming from a logic pro 9 user / iPad . I only need a daw to record my tracks.
I started on Pro Tools
9 many years ago, and now getting back into music production, I’ve decided to go
With LUNA. Loving it so far.
I’m still on Pro Tools 11 and have been able to open sessions done on newer versions of Pro Tools. So I haven’t bothered to upgrade it.
Thats great. I know engineers that are rockin Pro tools 9, or older versions of logic, making amazing level recordings.
Same here. Still on PT11 too with the SoundGrid server. Works just fine for mixing and finalizing songs that I make in other DAWs. Im still a Reason user. Trying out Cubase now.
I need a copy of old PT! 💯
In the Music Production Industry for Movies, Steinberg NUENDO with Yamaha Nuage is The Industry Standard !
Its feature set for audio post production is amazing as well!!
I think when people say that Pro Tools is the industry standard, they mean for arrangement and tracking vocals, because it seems that a lot of producers that don't even actually create within Pro Tools will often still send their stems and multi tracks to Pro Tools for arrangement and if they track vocals do so directly into Pro Tools.
Most of these producers say that Pro Tools is great for arranging.
I've tried Pro Tools several times and I just couldn't get into it. Maybe that's because I didn't start with it and so I just don't have the patience to learn it. 🤷🏻♂️
This. It is second to none for editing audio files -> playlisting, comping and doing multitrack, in phase edits.
I have not seen a daw do those things in even the same breathe.
I couldn't get into PT either. Found my way to Studio One v1 in the early 2010s.
@@FritzGillis reaper and studio one had done that for me in the past and I think reaper has like 10 times of doing it so you can choose whatever suits you best
I think people forget that the audio industry doesn't just mean music too. The movie and video game side of audio (both music and sound design) are the largest of them all (by a lot). Most of the prominent sound designers I see on social media or interviews are rocking Pro Tools too. Post production as a whole at higher levels seem to be dominated by PT. I used to use PT (still do), and am on Reaper mostly, but PT is objectively just incredibly efficient with time and handling functions, but it's not as flexible as I wish it were (looking at you MIDI implementation).
@ like I said on my other post, I’ve seen other DAWs try to implement these features; I have not seen another DAW get it to the standard of ProTools.
Maybe Reaper has… I def have my doubts.
Reaper is the greatest, they just needed to hire a decent designer for the GUI lol. They don't have anti piracy checks and rechecks (that consume a lot of resources) so it runs more smoothly than any other app I've seen in my life (and I'm using a mac studio M1, it still makes difference). Sounds good, the built in stretch algorithm is very nice, more straight forward than any daw, more customizable than any daw, you can setup shortcuts for any task of sequence of tasks, and the new takes editing is the best, and I've seen takes editing of all the major daws. I'm using ableton/push3 for producing but when it comes to organize things, mixing or serious whole track editing, Reaper is king.
I absolutely LOVE Reaper, I been using it for years but my only con is if your especially new to music creation or mixing is Reaper has "nothing" obviously it has A LOT, What I mean is it's so plane WITCH is a great thing for running it like it's light weight but i want to use a daw that does everything plus has literally basically everything you could ever possibly need and do not need to buy any 3rd party plugins so I tried 4 other daws, logic, FL Studio, Stuio One and Cubase and the one I landed on an is the best is Cubase Pro 14, mixing and mastering is amazing, the stock plugins are the absolute best and high quality, not to mention the instruments that come with it and beat arranging or composing. You even get a Cubase version of Vocal Align, Melodyne and Auto-Tune witch I completely switched to the Cubase versions and work literally just as good, plus the new vocal chain!?... My god everything you need, plus built in Dobly Atmos mixin (no 3rd party,) high quality orchestral "iconica sketch" that is easily be $800 if bought somewhere else, it's just once I tried Cubase pro 13 (now I'm on 14)... Even though Reaper had more customization and cheaper like WAY cheaper it just felt like a daw that was the goat but expect you to have plugins and where Cubase at least now, I never used it back in the day but now... It's literally buy it, own it and immediately start creating without thinking "okay I wanna make this but I don't have this, or this plugin works but want something more powerful" one thing I learned is Steinberg DOES NOT play around when it comes to there Stock Plugins.
Now don't get me wrong I'm not trying to change your mind, I freakin love Reaper and I would even say don't switch because from the sounds of it you have been doing this for years and have everything you need and bought many plugins so you would not really benefit from it... But for someone who is new or newish, I would 10000% recommend Cubase more.
I thought you can download any custom DAW GUI. I remember people making it look like Protools. LOL
"my daw is the greatest" people say the same crap about bitwig and ableton. These discussions are so silly.
Reaper really is the Volvo of DAWS. Ugly as sin but immensely powerful and reliable.
I've been a committed Reaper user for about four years. I will NEVER even get my head around half of its functionality. And the only time it ever crashes is because of some third party plug-in screwing up.
I recently got the perpetual license for Pro Tools, coming most recently from Cubase but having alot of history in Cakewalk/Sonar. I almost hate to admit it but I like it quite a bit. You said it feels like a program from 2008, it’s odd but that’s probably why it appeals to me. I think if you are just comparing the software itself not hardware or user base or anything, you can make an excellent argument that Cubase is a more powerful program, however Pro Tools just feels more focused on the immediate business of recording a production to me. I think as far as the industry standard label, the industry has massively changed and you can create amazing work in whichever daw you are most familiar with. I think though the path to actually monetizing your work as a business, Protools is the path of least resistance. People with actual budgets, working in a network with other businesses are likely using Protools, it’s not so much the creative industry standard as it is the economic industry standard.
Interesting point of view!
Yeah I get the "focused" part, PT is pretty intuitive to anyone familiar with physical mixers more than software, while Cubase had a somewhat steep learning curve for me. However I pretty much went the opposite direction since I've used Nuendo in a TV job for several years, and I jumped ship back when Avid went subscription only 🤷♂️
I started out with Cubase SE then Studio One, then Avid and now I use Logic Pro X. Out of all of those, Studio One is the one I liked the most before switching to a Mac.
Cubase came with my Lexicon interface and I learned so much on that DAW. I from the old days of hardware but I can say new technologies technology has allowed me to build and rebuild my Studio several times over with low cost!
I use cakewalk sonar platinum I learned to just use whatever your comfortable with
Facts I use cakewalk by bandlab
I used sonar for years. Moved over to logic now but cakewalk will always have a place in history 🎉
PT is, without any doubt, the industry standard. You want to work in post? Dubbing? Scoring? Live recording? Mixing in big professional studios? Better know Pro Tools. I love Cubase, Logic and Reaper, worked with Nuendo, Ableton, and others, and for my little project studio and composing I happen to use Cubase. But when interfacing with the professional audio world, Pro Tools reigns supreme. You said as much in the first 30 seconds after the intro. Nothing has shifted. Post tape, PT has been the industry standard, full stop.
ProTools is the industry standard like Windows is the main OS in majority Fortune 500 companies. Big studios had already invested in PT before the other DAWS became readily available. You walked in any large brick and mortar studio and PT was it. Over the years as bedroom producers have evolved. The DAWS have evolved. The music has evolved PT is still the king of big boy studios with them larger budget.
I think you’re not”clear” on what we mean when people say pro tools is the industry standard. ‘Industry standard’ means that most of professionals in this industry are pro tools users and that is 100% true. It has nothing to do with the features vs another DAW. You even said it yourself in the first 3 minutes of this video. You, I, and many others still use pro tools because if you work in this industry, 99% of everyone still use PT.
ACTUALLY, I personally hate pro tools and switched to Studio One 12 years ago. I try to stay in studio one at all costs. However, I still have many clients that send me PT sessions and I need to at least be able to extract the audio out of PT so I can bring that into studio one. So, is PT the industry standard? It absolutely is, unfortunately but like you I see that slowly changing, but it’s a very slow change.
One of the new features of Cubase 14 (Pro and Artist versions only): Session exchange (Importing\Exporting projects) from other DAW's for collaboration sessions. Not sure, if it supports the "industry standard"- Probably with additional subscriptions, fees, and a decade or two of developments. 🤔
THIS IS THE BEST VIDEO ON THIS SUBJECT. THE DAW YOU USE IS "YOUR" INDUSTRY STANDARD. files can easily be converted
Great tutorial. I love Studio One! Great content Bolo!
Studio One 7 is so good
I ran into the comments screaming Logic Pro X 😂. Happy New Year Bolo Bro! Keep it up 🔥
Protools is the industry standard for the states in Europe Cubase is considered a industry standard out there
Yea cubase is not common in the states I used it a little when I first got my tascam interface. Starting to use pro tools and might buy logic cause why not I do wanna see what all the daws do
@@aapadreBest $199 I ever spent on my studio.
Cubase Is the industry standard also in the states within film composer community
@@AlessandroArcidiacoyes for my music Tv/film scoring class Cubase is the industry standard for film. Many movies are done through Cubase/Dorico.
It's kinda like a contradiction to say he is obligated to have pro tools because when he record other artist they could take their sessions to other studio meaning that other studios have protools
then saying it's not an industry standard.🤣🤣🤣🤣
The contradicting anything. I need it people use it, just like I said in video, I have Logic Studio etc… for artist who have needs for those programs as well.
Bishop Bolo preaching again. I have to agree again. I have a pro tools license and just recently moved it out my dock in favor of Logic Pro. Without a template boy it can be a disaster using pro tools. Logic I can start a session from scratch and get to recording in seconds. I like pro tools grid technology but setting up is dreadful. The industry standard will most likely be what is widely available/affordable with all in one tools to produce, record, mix and master efficiently.
Logic pro is the bollocks. Drum machine designer is a game changer. Its sampler is superb also. Its stock synths are killer. Its AI mastering is fly as well
"9 out of 10 times I need Pro Tools.." but it's not the industry standard...
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I still luv pro tools. Pro tools does have a sampler. Highlighting tracks to send to a bus? It is possible with key comands. Might take you a couple of steps more but, it is not that difficult. Pro tools was designed more to replace 2 inch tape recorders and it is great at that. I could use midi fine with pro tools.
Studio 1 is crazy. I love that DAW. Very dope. Very intuitive and simple to use.
I saw the same video from Barry and he’s absolutely right. And I remember…I had Logic on PC as well. And the new Logic 11 has stem splitter…Pro Tools doesn’t.
People still make fun of me for using Studio one but having already tried almost every DAW, right now as a full time music producer, Studio One is The one ☝🏿 for me. 5years and still zero complaints
Thats why I been using FL Producer edition to make beats and record .... I used to use pro tools tho lol
I went from Sonar to Reaper... Reaper is the best.. light on the system heavy on the possibilities... FL is incredible as well.. been on that since the beginning
WHATS UP BIG BRO? I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. I FIND YOUR CONTENT INFORMATIVE , EDUCATIONAL, AND MOST OF ALL INTUITIVE. I AM A REASON'S AND NATIVE INSTRUMENT USER , AND I AM FEELING THIS WAY WITH PROTOOLS AS WELL AS REASON. THE GROWTH RATE SEEMS NON-EXISTENT. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS.?
I’m glad I never brought into the Pro Tools Hype… I would be Homeless Right now 😅
Be glad you didn't. You would've wasted thousands of dollars.
How? It's not expensive.
Awesome video Bolo. I too remember Nuendo and how dope it was. I went to LA Recording School in 2010 and at the beginning of the curriculum they gave us Logic and after a few months they began to teach us using Pro Tools. We were the first class to use the Avid M Box. I too was on the Pro Tools band wagon
I was introduced to Pro Tools and Logic Pro at the same time 15 years ago. At that time Logic was indeed behind, Although I preferred it over Pro Tools, I’d have to use them both in tandem to compensate for the pros and cons of both. This present moment I now use Logic exclusively because it has surpassed Pro Tools. Pro Tools markets as standard, however it is not. If you own the new apple silicon macs, you’re wasting your money on Pro Tools. There’s no other reason to have it other than it’s just what you’re comfortable with, that’s fair. Business model a no-go.
Logic is the move! 🔥🔥🔥
I started with Cubase and rewired FL 7. I’ve worked on reasons, and done recording with PT. But for composition, recording, mixing, Studio One gives me more than I need and is stable. I also love the community that is helpful and is always open to suggestions
I agree with you, the community is amazing
Yep, I rocked a cracked version of Nuendo back in the late 90's-Early 2000's!!! I started with the Fostex R8 --> Cakewalk --> Nuendo --> Pro Tools --> Sonar --> Fruity Loops 3 --> Logic --> Back to Pro Tools --> Ableton Live --> Luna --> Again back to Pro Tools. I can't seem to get away from it because it has it's uses.
I just graduated as a Audio specialist and have a masters in composition and audio engineering for film music ,games and sound design for tv. Here in the London Uk , And I agree with allot of what you are saying here I respect your courage too speak up on these points. I was using Any DAW I could get my hands on (and working with all kinds of clients who used different software )and for pc had Logic and Cubase when Emagic FL 6 ,Rebirth had them with there interfaces , mainly before I started my degree but quickly learned that majority of studios working and mixing where using Protools . I had a copy of protools but it didn’t work on PC with native plugins . Which is why I have always back tracked too Cubase and Ableton for Mixing and for game audio Reaper and Nuendo and Studio 1 which supports 64 bit 96k . But in our degree we was mainly forced too use Logic for production and protools for mixing and recording.
ALWAYS preferred Studio One. Even when it was first released by presonus and was getting trash talked. Been rocking S1 since D1.
Logic Pro gang since maybe 2007 and now on the 11 and it’s pure fire…🔥🔥🔥 Before that i was on cubase on PC, I tried the Mbox/protools setup on my MacBook Pro in the early 2010 but it was too complicated of a workflow for me. Logic has a ton of professional features and i bet a ton of projects are made strictly on it nowadays. 💯
Pro tools is a joke. Its the Most expensive yet least effective daw that is out there.
Appreciate it Bolo!
Ya just helped me isolate to the 2 daws I like which is Studio One and Logic
The term comes from the large format consoles being fed into the multiple PCI/PCIE/HDX internal cards and rack mount units; Thus "industry".
I feel ya, we started on Mix + and then HDX but thank god sold those systems while we still could. We got so tired of other DAW's having so many more features than Pro Tools. When they started adding all these subscription cash grabs, we finally made the jump to Mac Pro's and Cubase Pro and never looked back. Best decision from a full time working studio point of view. Honestly most of our session file sharing is done with stems anyway, so the DAW is pretty irrelevant in many cases.
Cubase Pro 14 is my weapon of choice.
💯💯💯 the best of all worlds. FL, Ableton, Studio One, Luna, Pro Tools, Bitwig in one complete DAW
Cubase for life 🎉🎉🎉
@@TheManInCommand nah... It lacks the creativity of FL and Ableton
Cubase all day!
I started early in the game with Cubase, it was the standard in studios i used. Started using Pro tools in LA Film School but fell in Love with Logic pro x
wavy wayne is probably gonna make a rebuttal on how bad every daw is except for drum roll
He’s a shill, people are finally starting to see through him and mixbusTV.
Fl Studio for drums and loops
Cuebase For vocals and scoring
Reason for Mixing
In my opinion
Why make shit really complicated for no reason? i don't get it
I use FL Studio (and Logic Pro from time to time) but I’m thinking about venturing out and trying out other DAWs before I go DAWless. I’ll check out the ones that you mentioned.
Facts !!! early 2000 I was using Cubase Sx , Halion, VST dongle, wavelab , nueudo with a gina 24 sound card on PC. I used Reasons for the drums and beat production, my physical digital sound banks, Midi Roland keyboards and did all the vocals rewired through Cubase connection. and exported everything into one file w/16 channels.
Those were the days! 🔥
@@BoloDaProducer pre- amp tube to make the vocals sound warm and mixed with tannoy flat speakers for car test sound and Fostex power monitors for that base heavy sound after mixing with the tannoys. Keeping the wires labeled and remembering the wiring inputs & keeping them together was a bitch! Ha! Loved it!
lol I still have my Gina in a box somewhere! In those days I was using Cakewalk, then Sonar when it came out.
The gina was dope btw...it had the spdif that I used for recording to and from DAT.
@ sonar use to have them ray charles ads in magazines back then.. ha! I did like that software.
Why does it feel like the more time passes and things (ostensibly) change in music, apparently it’s all still the same?
On another related topic, I have yet to deal with a Finale alternative, because that’s how I write new stuff. Any suggestions for notation software?
I’ve never been a liked pro tools.
I have used Cubase and now I’m a Studio One advocate!
That is it. Well said Bolo. The day I was introduced to Studio One 4, I never looked back to Pro Tools and that was Pro Tools 9. Avid is just very good at marketing because as you said, many DAWs have so much more than Pro Tools and they been that way for years. We live in the era of working smarter not harder. For me Studio One makes a lot of the work easier and more efficient, you can literally drag and drop anything or everything and Studio One does the rest. You mentioned creating busses in Studio One, yes Bro’ and so many other features. I also must salute Logic as well. In another of your videos you encourage people to learn other DAWs and I agree with you 100% because based on the song you are producing another DAW may be more efficient based on its features for that genre or style of music. You are so correct, being a recording studio owner the primary reason for having Pro Tools is because clients will send Pro Tools sessions. If it’s a mix, I just ask for the files or bounce the tracks out and mix in Studio One. Blessings, 👊🏽🙏🏽
There is a universal compatibility session save format now, you don't have to send only your audio files.
Yep!
Back in 2009 I was using ProTools 8 with the Maudio interface, and I was working at Guitar Center at the time. I ALWAYS heard ppl talk about how PT was the studio standard, but now I feel like most DAWs can do so much more, and they're always competing.
I have had almost all DAWs. Logic wins hands down 4 me.
Have you ever tried mackie tracktion aka waveform? Its superb imo.
I'm glad to hear that. I have only used logic pro x
It seems to me it depends on the type of music you make. I have felt I should be using Ableton because every tutorial for music that t prefer is always Ableton almost never lpx.
But overall no regrets
Thankyou, you are spot on! I've been a Studio One user since 2011. Always felt I was missing out because of the pro tools hype
I was always told pro tools is best for recording but sucks for production. Cubase was the standard for education up to university, in my experience. (UK)
I use Cubase still to this day, I’ve tried logic but at the time it wasn’t great for sampling.
I am probably going to move over to mpc 3 when it’s fully released. And keep Cubase for exclusive recording sessions. I feel like I’m going to really miss the sampler track on Cubase though 😢 it’s sped up my production work flow 10fold
Sucks for production? Ryan Tedder makes bangers using it.
You and Barry need to collab on a UA-cam video and continue to hold these companies accountable 💪🏾‼️💯
PreSonus Studio One 7 💙💙💙
Emagic Logic wasn’t a PC program before Mac. Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH was founded and Notator Logic[4] was launched for Atari[5] and Macintosh, followed by a version for Windows. The "Notator" was dropped from the name and the product was redesigned from the ground up, and the product became known under the name "Emagic Logic
History
If you haven’t tried Studio One 7 pro ….😢
This kinda feels like the DJ industry where Rekordbox and CDJs are kinda the de facto "industry standard" because that's the gear you typically find in venue booths (clubs, festivals, etc), but can be argued other vendors have pioneered solutions the "industry standard" has played catch up to and/or don't do as well. It can also be argued that other vendors have engineered gear which subjectively offers greater value (more features and less cost) than CDJs. But because so much of the industry runs CDJs by default it effectively promotes and reinforces the expectation that you need to be ready to use it. Furthermore DJs will train themselves on that gear, become change-adverse and expect venues to accommodate their muscle memory, and there's your perpetuating feedback loop.
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I just started using Pro Tools after years of dreading the idea since I’ve felt like FL Studio could do it all, it never made sense to me. I have to say, it’s been a very, very smooth experience. Like I don’t even bother arranging my beat until I drag everything into Pro Tools & I spend very little time doing that. The editing is so swift. It also feels like I can focus 100% on mixing/arranging.
I remember when this started happening. Damn near right after the shift from DAT tapes but by 2004 Pro-Tools is all you heard about.
True
I've produced with Reason, FL Studio, Audition, Cubase, and the list goes on. I was an analog guy and went to a studio and the engineer working with DAW"s and I was stuck!!! Where's the knows and buttons and samplers, and outboard gear? So from that day forward I didn't want to feel like dummy for not knowing my shyt!!! I learned everything about any program I looked at after that. When logic first came out I said I didn't need it so I never used it. Did swipe sounds from my buddies tho!!!
😂😂😂😂
Logic blows protools away.
Reaper blows Logic away.
The industry standard should be the software (DAW) that works best for you. It is more important to learn the software in and out to completely dominate so that only the creativity is what flows when producing. It is quite refreshing when a pro producer like Bolo Da Producer (sharing his resource in Barry Johns) shares his take on this much ignored topic. Thanks for the honesty and wisdom Bolo for sharing this much needed information for producers out there.
Coming from a multi platinum producer that’s work with the majority of the top engineers, protools is our 1st choice bc of sound and processing power that no other daw can handle. functionality isn’t that important as SOUND QUALITY is the end all be all.. 1. Protools 2. Ableton 3. FL Studio 4. Studio 1. After that no other daw matters bc they sound horrible and LOGIC is the worse sounding of them all.
Logic the worst? Man those Calvin Harrison Albums sound good coming from Logic
Absolute nonsense.
@@BoloDaProducer after he sends the files to the top guys to mix it in PROTOOLS. See how that works
@@RolandDeschain1 nah facts are facts. There is not one too engineer on the planet that uses that daw. It’s complete trash.
@@RolandDeschain1 how many hit records you’ve mixed?