50 year old producer and mix engineer here. I produce in Logic and record, mix, and master in Pro Tools. At the end of the day, use what you're comfortable with and make jams. That's pretty much it.
I produce, mix and master all in Logic Pro. I fell in love with it after purchasing it for my studio. Prior to that I worked in Pro Tools out of a friend’s studio.
Exactly in my younger days many people would create with one DAW and then mix and master in protools for “the Sound” or what ever other reason they had.
Yup graduated from FULL SAIL UNV״ Audio Arts״ and our main DAW used was LOGIC PRO. Had only 2weeks of Pro Tools. I started with Pro Tools over 15 years ago. But I realized in school now I prefer logic hands down!
@@YaManMrFaiaI had fun. Make sure you network with your peers and start an internship while there if you can so you'll be ahead of graduation and ready to goooooo ✈️
Pro Tools in the early ‘90s was designed convert us analog engineers to digital recording. They had two windows; the Mix Window and the Edit Window; to make it easier for us geezers to understand. It worked. We made the jump to recording and mixing in the box. The problem I see today is Pro Tools didn’t progress. In that regard, you’re right, Pro Tools is for old engineers. I started on multitrack cassette in 1985 and upgraded to an 8 track open reel recorder. I made the jump to digital recording with Session 8 in 1993. From there, I moved on to Opcode Studio Vision Pro; Pro Tools Project; Roland VS-1680; Emagic Logic; Pro Tools LE; Pro Tools; and today, Logic Pro X. Pro Tools is like that old girlfriend where you remember all the good feelings at first but then you start recounting all the bad times and you realize you made the right decision by leaving. (Not that any of us have had that experience.) 🤘🏾
I think a reason why you videos spark good conversation is because you have years of both professional and personal experience with the stuff you're talking about, and you try to keep it real and about the music. Mad respect ✌🏽
I’m 55 and I been producing since the ‘80’s. My first D.M. was a Roland TR-707(I still have it). I’ve recorded with Acid Pro, Reason, Protools, and FrootyLoops. My fav is FLStudio…I love how my projects come out.❤️🔥👍🏾
I'm a older cat and I use fl studio for everything. I have a young producer(s) that I work with and man. I become the student. If you're in music ,learn from the youth. Don't be the stubborn old dude. I promise you will learn from each other.
I had the Avid Pro tools setup when it first came out on windows and it was just to much to go Thur. But when I discovered Cubase and Fl Studio I was done with it, I had everything I needed! I’m 54👍🏽
I think the primary reason Pro Tools is still prevalent is because of the philosophy of *"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"* A lot of people have been using Pro Tools for years and from what I've seen and heard, the workflow hasn't changed much over the years, so those who are used to the Pro Tools workflow just stick with, especially those who are really busy and don't have the time to learn the workflow of a new/different DAW. It's the same reason why Jake One still uses his ASR 10 or why many producers still use the pre 2012 MPCs.
I’m a late 80’s beginner studio pro audio engineer and producer. I’m 51, I hit the studio as digital interfacing for audio recording was a buzz. There were early forms of digital recording systems but computer interfaced software was a dream come true. I was fortunate to enter at the analog era as it transformed into a digital recording system. Lots of studios closed down almost overnight. Automation by way of Mackie HUI paved the way for emagics, performer aka Digital Performer which I use and is an underrated gem. Then digidesign came with protools and what made it such a popular choice was the audio interfacing it was ground breaking. Many of the first movers and followers failed to enter the market before protools got embraced by everyone from big studios to bedroom studios it was the simplicity of plug and play, but it was actually horrible and buggy in its initial entry. Great episode 👍🏾👍🏾
Bolo, you’re absolutely right about how the old heads from 25-30 years ago thought going digital over analog automatically made the music garbage! I’ve always felt like you should use what works for your process.
Pro Tools has been the industry standard for a long time, and its high cost can be a barrier for some musicians. I'm from a generation where software like Lotus 1-2-3 and Wordperfect were considered the 'industry standard' in the 1990s. When Microsoft came along it was considered totally unfeasible that Lotus or Wordperfect would be toppled from their position. 30 years later and most young people in the IT business have never even heard of Lotus - It's a relic from the past. Newer DAWs like Logic Pro, Ableton Live, and Reaper offer similar capabilities to Pro Tools at a fraction of the price. When I tried Pro Tools trial version and compared it to Live and Logic Pro it reminded me of that day in the early 90s when I fired up Excel for Windows and compared it to Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows. I knew immediately its days were numbered. Although there was an army of accountants and office workers who knew every keystroke and macro in 1-2-3 and vowed that they'd never change, it only took 3 or 4 years for the inevitable. Ultimately, this democratisation of music production is empowering young artists and challenging the traditional gatekeeping model of the music industry.
I'm 69 an original Cakewalker who transitioned into Sonar but a good friend (late Fred Mc Farlane) in the industry told me I have to move up to Protools back in 2008. So I made the investment of a Macpro 8 gig for home studio(collecting dust now) and Protools 8(still have it). I'm a loyalist so I'm still on latest version of protools (perpetual license) and I've invested in Studio One and looking at going to Logic Pro. Long story short I create demo gospel music for singers and would be songwriters and still haven't touch the surface of protools like you professional guys out there. I'm here for the conversation too......
Luna right now is the new ProTools. They implemented the same key commands to get PT users to migrate on over. Luna is one of the best mixing DAWs out there. Plus the sound alone is dope. The DAW-Wars is definitely real out there!
I made records on ADATS and 2 inch tape. I remember when things started changing to Pro Tools. Back then computers were not where they are today. My M1 Macbook blows away the top of the line tower computers from the early 2000's. Pro Tools used hardware dsp, so it didn't rely on a powerful computer to run all of the tracks and plugins. Pro Tools created a dsp system that could run on computers of the day and be rock solid. In the early days of computers and ADATs and things like that is sometimes it would glitch. Same thing with the early days of Cubase which relied on a solid computer to run. Pro Tools took over all the big studios because it just worked and the studios charging big money for sessions could not afford to have down time. It just had to be more reliable than a tape machine. I will start out by saying I do not use Reaper, I have tried, but I'm old people that grew up on Cubase and Pro Tools. I've used a couple of the others DAWs FL Studio, Ableton, to name a few. If I was starting today, I would probably use Reaper because it is cheap and has all of the features that Pro Tools and Cubase have. These days, with the power of computers, it is very easy to make music. There are a lot of good DAWs out there that have a good workflow. It just depends on what you know how to use. Once you get past the learning curve of any DAW, you can just create because you know how to make the program work for you and you can just let the juices flow.
I get what you're saying about Pro Tools. I've been making beats on Reason Studios forever, though I started with FruityLoops. Here’s the thing: Pro Tools knows its core audience is the top-tier studio engineers, not necessarily the home engineers or producers. They can’t please everyone, and that’s okay. It’s similar to what I face as an older producer do I keep trying to make beats for the younger crowd, or do I stay true to what made me fall in love with music in the first place? There’s a lane for everyone, and constantly switching lanes can make you lose both the passion and the fans. At the end of the day, it comes down to this: are you in it for the money, or are you in it for the love? Pro Tools has a loyal fan base, and if everything starts catering to the younger crowd, then what’s left for the rest of us?
I think the overall issue with daws is the productivity integration to where daws are used for making beats oppose to just tracking and mixing. I prefer to keep those separate to keep the overall conversation “not just here” going forward especially when some someone platform setup may be geared for mixing and not producing. I may be wrong but just my pov
It's good to see people finally coming to their senses. The " industry standard" is generally always slow to change and old in its feature sets and relies on stuck outdated thinking, not features, to maintain its hold on an industry. Pro Tools has built its entire legacy on being the industry standard, which has absolutely nothing to do with being the best. Thanks for opening up the conversation.
I think it is all about uses. I still think that Pro Tools is one of the best in terms of recording and mixing. I also thought that it was one of the best at handling things closer to real time, like multiple headphone mixes, recording through effects, etc. If I'm not doing anything but recording and mixing, I would still use PT 10HD. That was probably the most bullet proof system I've ever used. Truth is, we are in a time and place where we want to do more with less (I get it) and also having tools doing more for us (I get this too). I'm someone who thought that Ensoniq Paris was better than Pro Tools back in the day but I also understood what they were going for, which was to mimic the analog workflow. Times have changed and we got people who wouldn't know what to do in front of a real mixer, so DAWS are being built around those users as opposed to what Pro Tools has stuck with.
@@jahsoul357 The only issue I have with what you said is I think it’s one of the best in recording and mixing, which it mite still be but often times Pro Tools users are working with outdated information and simply have never used any other Pro Tools.
A professional does not rent their main tools. No professional should use subscription software. Tell a carpenter he can't buy a hammer, he can only rent one, don't be suprised you'll be shitting splinters for a month. Companies like Adobe and Avid have no longer a reason to still be in business, they only still excist because schools and the industry keeps pushing that shit around.
In the early 2000’s I was using Pro Tools and a MPC 2000. Teenagers would come through with beats made on trial versions of FRUITY LOOPS. I was amazed at some of the beats they would come up with made on their family computers.
I'm 34 this year. I've been using protools only to record from 2010-20 and FL Studio since I was a kid . Just easy for me to make beats and record in FL STUDIO
Like they say, Pro Tools is indeed the industry standard. It's used in more professional studios than most other daws. We can't deny that. But, there are some daws like....Ableton Live, Logic Pro, Studio One, FL, Cubase, and even upstart Bitwig to name a few, have surpassed that standard. But, it's ultimately whatever you use that works best for you. Some of us have just gone dawless and use the MPC or the Maschine Plus as our workstation. No worries about crashes.😊
That's not true. Pro Tools is the industry standard in post-production. I'm a post-production supervisor in the film world that is where we see them. Especially in combination with Avid media composer. It's an extremely expensive solution there and they found their way into the big studios. Music production , audio all of that, however is shared with all the other daws and Pro Tools is just one of them. So all the big talk, like you just did comes really from the film world. That is where the money is that is how Hollywood works. But that is not what we're talking about here
I'm in your age group bro. My first DAW was Cubase because it came with my first interface a Presonus Firestudio. Presonus had not yet invented Studio One so they paired their interfaces with Cubase. There was a period when I wasn't too happy with Cubase, it was Cubase 8 so I bought Pro Tools as I was thinking of switching. I quickly noticed things I was so used to in Cubase were absent entirely in PT and PT sucks for midi and virtual instruments. Cubase also comes with everything and a lot of it. You don't just get a good reverb, you get like 6 of them. You get about 4 different compressors, two limiters, two chorus plugins and a lot of distortion and modulation plugin effects. Steinberg also now has this thing to make it easier to switch from other daws. They have the key commands of several other daws including Pro Tools you can choose to use so you don't have to learn new key commands, you can keep using the ones you already know from your daw.
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This is an excellent point of view. I agree with the “philosophy of change.” It’s necessary to keep the creative mind growing with the “evolving eras of technological innovation.” As a singer, songwriter, audio engineer and emerging music administrator. I love interacting with young professionals who do things differently, but get the job done. I like to listen to younger musicians’ thoughts on what they are currently using in their studio sessions. We all have a place at “the table of collaboration.” 😊 I know that keeping an open mind will help me stay relevant to changing industry standards, by keeping my skills updated with a fresh and innovative attitude. Competition is a healthy aspect of entrepreneurial ventures. I am learning all I can about music technology, it changes swiftly. you young man for your enthusiasm about our music industry. You are keeping it 💯. I am committed to being an example of excellence fir other female musicians, business women and producers. “sistahs do mix…” 😅
I say find what works best for you and use that. I’ve tried Ableton, Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase, Nuendo, Digital Performer, Studio One, Reason, and my weapons of choice LUNA and Reaper. No other DAW sounds as good as LUNA period. I start there, bounce individual tracks and then head over to Reaper once I’ve given LUNA all it can handle. The Neve and API summing Are beautiful. API Vision strip and 2500 buss comp, along with the Studer and ATR tape emulations just kill all the other DAWS. Thanks for the video. The reason I chose Reaper is because of the way it handles CPU power. Flawless. Ableton was the worst for that, the others are about the same. I record at 96/24 and have a couple of powerful machines, but still don’t like wasting power.
Feels like protools started out with tight vertical integration with special purpouse hardware and support. Once general purpose computer hardware became powerful enough, the vertical model was no longer necessary, and more horizontal solutions across interfaces, OS', drivers, and DAWs became possible.
43 yr old FL - rock producer here. I was on the Pro Tools bandwagon in the early days, but honestly jumped to FL when Edison became a thing. Those lifetime updates are pretty sweet. I've been messing around on Luna lately, though. You should check it out if you haven't yet. It's a beautiful mix of annolog (in the box) feel and sound into a DAW. Keep up the good work!
Working in a production house in the early 2000’s we used Logic to compose, record vocals, mix and sometimes master with the help of waves and later on universal audio plugins. Stared off on the ASR10 then jumped to the MPC2000 but once I got started cooking with a PC and then later on the Macintosh there was no looking back for me. 8:11
hahaha I'm the same but the opposite lol , 57-year-old music producer and studio owner, who never used pro tools ever as it was always so damn expensive, started with Cubase, then moved to logic, then back to Cubase, would know where to start with pro tools, always found it very complicated compared to other DAWs, especially in the world of MIDI.
Great follow up. I came into the industry in the early 80s and lived the transition from analog to digital. For digital back then when I could afford it, Cakewalk on a PC and then to Apple where I was Team MOTU and Digital Performer (until they hiccuped with an iOS update and hopped over to Logic). I do all my pre-production in Logic now, but for live instrument and vocal recording, I still like going into a professional studio where I can access a good desk, expensive mics and the great outboard equipment. It’s the best of both worlds for my workflow. I understand the industry is different today and so is the technology and that’s not a bad thing, no different than the progress from analog to digital.
Time flies, we about the same age. Its illuminating to hear the changes we've seen over time because it feels like yesterday. I started with Sony Acid Dj, a tascam 4 track and a copy of Cubase Home edition. In 03, My friend at work was a techno production guy, he said I should look into Fruity Loops or Reason if I wanted to do sample based hip-hop. I copped that Reason 2.5 and Recycle. I loved the user interface of it. I learned how to manage midi, mix, master and sound management with it. Over the years I learned everything else but my base creation template is always a Reason screen. I got terrabytes of refills and unique sounds only in the Reason Studios library. When I have to collaborate, I simply import my raw audio to FL, Logic or Protools because thats what everyone expecting. If they see the reason screen, they will say it doesn't sound right, even if im using it as Rewire tracks inside another DAW.😅 Nobody knows, except yall.😂
I did something like nine albums on Reason and because people would say that Reason didn't sound good I eventually moved to Maschine before moving quite quickly to Logic with hardware. Now I have the old school sound that I love but when I listen to the albums I did with Reason and Sonar I love how it sounds as it sounds like the current modern music sounds. This year I will be using Reason again after a break of almost ten years. I started with Reason 2.5 as well.
I was working for a high-profile client over Zoom a year ago and I was using Logic and RX, she was like “Oooh boy you making this little thing work, what is this?” I said Logic, I said I have Pro Tools too. She said, “No you good, you zipping through these edits.” 😂😂😂😂😂 yup because Logic's ease of use will force you to become a power user and make you fast as hell.
I’m 38 and watched both videos and I have to fully agree with Bolo. I first used Pro Tools in 2006 on PC though I had been using other DAW’s since 2002 and I initially hated Pro Tools. It just seemed difficult and too complicated to startup and go compared to what I’d been using at the time which was Magix and Acoustica programs. By 2007 I started using Fruity Loops (FL) and from that point I would produce in FL (even though you could record in it by then) and I would track vocals in Magix (now Samplitude). I eventually would return to Pro Tools because of it being what most professional studios and other creatives were using, but I never completely converted over to using it solely. I did for a while use it because of it’s power with certain plugins for mixing, but to Bolo’s point, other DAW’s began giving better plugins - stock plugins at that which would give all the more reason to not need Pro Tools. Today, Pro Tools is no longer part of my process though I still have it and will use it if I had a need to, but I don’t. A friend of mine is enrolled in a local music school where they’re teaching him on Pro Tools even though he learned most things on FL, so by the aspect of professional, it’s still seen as the standard, and I think it still is amongst higher-end studios that have been around forever and as well in other genre’s like the Pop world, but I notice that the younger generation are heavily into FL and BandLab nowadays which both are giving them microwave techniques but they sound amazing so long as you know what you’re doing. As for me, Pro Tools has never been my standard, but it has always been a reputable DAW in the music game for many years. If DAW’s were phone companies, Pro Tools would be Sprint and FL would be T-Mobile. Sprint was on top for a long time, but eventually T-Mobile overpowered them and took over. Next will be BandLab probably who’s like Cricket. 🤷🏾♂️
I use like 4 DAWs depending on my mood. Pro tools is one of the best for recording and editing on the fly but I like Luna better. Studio one is dope too
I'm an old guy that has used Pro Tools for over 20 years now and for the first time ever, I'm looking to switch to either Logic Pro or Studio One. I agree with you on everything and I LOVE the fact that industry competition is pushing the technology forward to the benefit of us, the users. I'm hoping that the competition will push Avid to reconsider their pricing structure and give their product a massive boost forward to keep up with the innovations coming with the competitions aggressive forward momentum. Nice job on these videos, Bolo!
When I first moved to Nashville and went to school, we were in Otari Radar. I learned on PT and I couldn’t agree with this video more. I will say this: in big sessions in the bigger studios in Nashville, it’s mainly PT, but it’s a conversation that keeps happening.
I completely agree. I went to music school and got certified for Pro Tools while there, and the DAW of choice was Pro Tools. When I graduated, I used Logic. Now I produce using Native Instruments Komplete and Maschine with Logic and Luna.
Braddah! Everything you said was on point! You just had me going down Memory lane with the changes, It was a great time to see it all grow. It's good to see the Yutes making music happen.
Ableton strains my old eyes. I've tried to work with it since the lite version came with all kinds of hardware. Good insights on the changes from hardware to software recording. Also, Finale was taught to many music majors. Finale has recently closed up. I switched to Sibelius in v.2. Since Avid kept charging the subscription, I've moved on to Dorico for music notation Cubase or Logic for recording. Thanks!
No doubt! I'm still on Pro Tools because 1. Its what I came up on. 2. I'm still 100% hardware for production. BUT! If I were starting now, I definitely would be using either FL, Logic or Ableton. No debate here!
@12:02 you are absolutely correct. Back when i first started back in 2000. I started off with Reason, Protools & Cubase because i couldn't afford analog gear. & I remember watching a dvd around 2002 or 2003, DJ Quik on his DVD Visualism critiqued newer producers then using computers & digital equipment. Saying that music wasn't meant to be made on computers. Which made me go out and get analog gear once i got a good paying job 😂
great video - I feel very old, but this is progress, continued development and evolution. The great thing is everyone can use whatever software they want and feel they get the best results from 🙂
I commented on your previous video but here I am commenting on this one cause I think this conversation has a lot of standpoints. Pro Tools is definitely not or at least it hasn't always been the case of the DAW for producers, and more so the DAW for engineers! Now, Avid is definitely changing their focus and getting new producer-centric features that were in my opinion really necessary. We now have MIDI effects, not as many as Ableton for example but it's got some. It's got some MIDI improvements like the MIDI Chain In which works in conjunction with the latter. Focused MIDI view, which to me is a step closer to having drum editors. It's got GrooveCell for beatmaking although in my opinion, it should have a sampler like Ableton where you can chop audio, slice and do multiple things with it. I think Pro Tools would improve a ton if the following features were added: 1. Mix recalabilty like Studio One, Reaper, and Cubase have. 2. Moving faders without creating groups. 3. Better Cloud-based collaboration; it's a great idea but it feels somewhat abandoned. 4. Output Record as in Reaper; you can record through your inserts in Reaper and that's awesome. 5. No track limitations regardless of its version. 6. A proper plug-in manager window 7. Resizable plug-in GUI for all stock plug-ins where I think all of their catalog is due on an upgrade too. 8. More libraries and virtual instruments. And there are more things to add to the list, but certainly one of the things that I think are really important is not to have track limitations. Any other DAW has no track limitations as far as I'm concerned and it should be that way.
Ableton always works! I've been through Digital Performer, Pro Tools, GarageBand, Logic, and Studio One. At one point or another, all of these have failed me except Ableton Live. It's been a constant that I've used Rewired to other DAW's to the point of Studio One failing me and deciding to drop it totally and Upgrade Ableton Live 8 to Live 12. It just works consistently! Live and in the studio.
@@smoothsavage2870 I just used to open Studio One. Then open Ableton Live. Ableton Live would then have the track output select option of a Studio One Track and Studio One would have the same option on an input track. That's how I remember it but Rewire was discontinued after Live 10 so no one can do that anymore unless your still running older versions of these DAW's.
@@ThatJerseyBloke Yea i know. I gave up on ReWire in the mid 2010s lol. I just use Ableton/Reason to create and Studio One as my mixing/mastering station at this point. I have Live 12 and S1 Pro v7 currently.
@@smoothsavage2870 I abandoned Studio One. Just after they were bought out by that new company, All my main audio processing plug-ins just stopped working in it. Ozone and Analog Channel to name a few and I use those on EVERY project! I also had Live 8 then and absolutely everything was working great. Presonus Product support just keep saying I needed to upgrade from Studio One 4. I upgraded Ableton Live instead.
If there was one Daw that could convince a Protools user otherwise and never look back would be Studio One definitely. You don't even have to learn new quick keys just tell it what daw your coming from and the quick keys would be the same as that Daw
😂 word, same with nuendo. No scam to buy they bs converters and hardware either. You can use a ton of other controllers along with more features for hybrid mix and record models. No bs subscriptions just get updates and go.
I'm old school too...I was a pro tools user from 2009 until 2019. I switched from PC to MAC and Logic was an obvious choice for me when I had both experiences at the same time...and...I was having a subscription issue with Avid at the time - so that made the choice much easier.
When pro tools came out it was a direct replacement for analog tape.. so at its core its a tape machine. So if all you're trying to do is record audio then use pro tools.
I grew up producing on FL Studio and went to University for Audio Engineering. There I learnt Pro Tools and Logic, and suffice to say with a deeper theoretical understanding of synths and the whole production process, it made me love FL even more, but in a different way. FL still fits into my workflow if I want to make a certain kind of programmed music using just my laptop. Audio editing, and mixing, is a whole nother ball game, which I feel Pro Tools does spectacularly well, and is very streamlined for recording, editing and mixing workflows in a way that FL just hasn't gotten quite right yet. So I still use FL, but for my professional work I use Pro Tools and still actively recommend it for other engineers. I've also gravitated to Maschine and the NI system as a more hands on approach to ideation and music making. But at the end of the day, they are just tools. If you have the understanding and the feel for what you're trying to achieve (in a musical context), then it doesn't really matter the program. That doesn't negate the need for a great signal chain (ADA, mics, preamps, monitoring, etc.), musicianship, and solid engineering skills, but it opens up the creative process for more people to engage their musical creativity however they deem fit. I'm 24, for context, and I'm happily learning and using the best of all the tools that I have at my disposal.
Also, Universal Audio’s Luna is coming for Pro Tools, too. I can see a lot of folks who are using Pro Tools right now for post production switching over to Luna within the next few years.
Actually it came out in 1989 it was called "Sound Tools" it was the first tapeless studio ever created for 2 track recording. Then Digidesign relaesed Pro Tools the multi track system in 91. It cost 6K to buy "Sound Tools" only on Mac.
How did I find this video and get sucked in? Cause now I can't stay quiet! You're not wrong... a lot of what you said is 100% right, but specifically from your perspective. And the way you laid out the argument, yes, you're correct. However you missed a major piece. ProTools isn't trying to compete as the same production tool that Logic is, and certainly not Ableton. They actually serve different niches, and because of that, I think for the foreseeable future, PT will remain. I'm older than you, born in '77. I started hanging around studios when I was 13 and learned to record to 2" tape. I made the transition into ADAT & DA 88. then, DAWs. I bought Logic Audio in 1994 when Logic was just a MIDI sequencer, and Logic Audio was an upgrade that allowed you to record up to 4 tracks of digital audio! Emagic was still the owner of Logic at that time and we didn't even know if Apple was going to survive! (so yea, I'm an "old guy"). I bought Protools soon after along with a sound designed audio card for around $1000 that did 2 channels of digital audio, with a crap ton of latency... BUT WE COULD EDIT VOCALS!!! I say that to say I lived the transition on every level. My focus in the 90's was more as a keyboard player and programming tracks. That's what Logic was 2nd to none at doing. It was a MIDI beast. The audio piece came later and primarily developed out of the need to develop better digital audio features to support the new software synths that were being developed. Protools, on the other hand, solved a problem no one else could solve... with a Protools HD system you could replace a 2" tape machine and track with zero latency because it wasn't processing on the computer. When I built my studio, even though I preferred to program in Logic, I always tracked and mixed in Protools because there was so much more power with a PT HD system. Today computing has caught up and we can do a lot more with a CPU based DAW than we could back then. But that's why Protools became the standard. Protools has never been a synth production workstation. It does MIDI/sample instruments, but only as an afterthought and fairly poorly. ProTools is, has always been, and always will be a fairly simple software (relative to Logic) that works for the work flow of a studio musician in a high end studio environment. Said differently: it's the replacement for the old 2" tape/SSL console world... that's what it's great at. And while there are some really great alternatives today, I don't think any of them do the job Protools does as well as protools does it. Yes, one could say "it just works" and that's exactly why it is the king of IT'S castle. If you have a session at oceanway dropping $5k+/hr with 40 piece orchestra on the floor... Protools is the only logical option... because it just works. When it comes to audio for film (most people don't realize film has been the primary innovator of audio technology!) Protools does what it does better than anyone. It's not an "old guy tool". It's a Niche tool. It's just that the "niche" Protools fills better than anyone, is a niche that percentage wise, very few people fit into. That's why it's expensive. That's why it's easy to judge from the outside and say "it's not as good". Because you're actually not the niche user for ProTools. I sold my studio nearly 15 years ago. I still run Logic. If I ever built another studio I would install Protools in a heartbeat. But for what I do today (primarily synth and programming tracks) Logic is, and has always been, 1000x better than Protools. Because they are different tools! Logic became really popular after Apple bought Emagic and dropped the price from $1100 to whatever it is today. Then they made Logic Lite and called it Garageband and gave it away. So it was/is a perfect gateway into the Logic world. I think Logic is by far the best PRODUCTION software. For what I do it's the best. And the things Logic does great, those things Protools has never been able to compete with. But when it comes to tracking a large session, and replacing the user flow of the vintage studio production model... Protools still reigns supreme. I would never pretend Logic is as good AT THAT. Ableton Live - is a completely different niche. Reason - even a more different Niche. ALL OTHERS are secondary.
Remember that these Bolo videos were inspired by the latest rant from Barry Johns. Barry is _very_ invested in the ProTools ecosystem, presumably in a more "traditional" recording environment than modern hip-hop. Yet he is increasingly disillusioned with Avid's business decisions.
Well said, I'm a graduate of Full Sail University 2003 and it couldn't be stated better. We used all kinds of software from Digital Performer for our Midi class, Nuendo, Acid etc. But like you said Pro Tools excel at Audio Tracking and Mixing and folks just don't understand that and that's what we used to Record a band for our project
Pro tools is pretty much just for mixing imo, I feel like pro tools has a "sound" that we are use to hearing now. Also for people who run commercial studios it takes time to learn a new workflow, it's one of those if it's not broke why fix it situations
Pro Tools isn't user friendly for new users. I can load up any other DAW and start recording instantly. #StudioOne is my DAW of choice because they continue to listen to the community and are adding features that make producing music easier 💯
@tonylegend8593 Pro Tools is great for audio engineering and that's it. Cubase is probably the best DAW in terms of an "All in one". Logic would also be considered in that category but everything is like a niche DAW that works best in a specific lane like making beats, recording vocals, mastering etc. And I'd also like to note the UI of certain DAWs is a big reason why we either love em or hate em cause man that shit is an instant "hard pass" if it looks weird 😂
As you tried to explain how Pro Tools isn't the industry standard you actually proved how Pro Tools is the industry standard....Because with every explanation it ending but I had to do it in pro tools because when it was taking somewhere else because they were all using Pro Tools. Industry Standard.
Exactly!! 😂 The whole argument is bogus and just ends up back at the beginning. All he keeps mentioning and naming are the reasons he or others don't like it, features that are missing. BUT, ALL the majors are STILL running PT. The software not having certain features is an entirely different conversation. But so long as 98% of these studios are STILL running it, "lack of features" or not, it will always be the industry standard. Until that changes, the fact that it is STILL the standard does not change.😂 His whole approach and wording to this topic is completely wrong.
I don't think you're aware of what the industry is. Pro Tools is the standard in post-production. That is the film world for sound dialogue editing and sound effects etc. I work as a post-production supervisor and it is in every Hollywood studio with the Avid S6 consoles and Avid media composer. Millions of dollars are spent on expensive contracts and server licenses such as the Avid Nexis server. That is the facts. But this is not what we're talking about here. Pro Tools is just one of the digital audio Workstations for music production. It has fallen behind and is certainly not a industry standard anymore. Look up the definition of what standard is.
It's all about personal preference. Use whatever works for you. The most important thing is your creative gifts and talents. Those that listen to or watch the final product don't care what gear was used. They don't even care.
Absolutely older musicians DAW! And love it! Served me extremely well through the years! No complaints! Daw is daw is daw is daw! It’s what to get from any tools to complete a project in. I use many TOOLS! regardless of what you use! You can’t polish a turd!
You are absolutely right!! I started producing in 2004 with FL Studio. I caught a lot of flack recording people because they felt like it wasn’t professional. A few years later everyone was using it. I switched to Studio One around 2015 for the file system and ease of use because I lost a lot of work on FL because of the way it saves and I’m 50. I didn’t like the fact that Pro Tools only worked with its own hardware. I didn’t like Reason either, it was too distracting just like Ableton 💯
Use what works for you. I graduated Full Sail back in 01 and I was using Acid pro to make beats and then moved to pro tools. I learned reason and used it for a while for beat production unril pro tools caught up with every other beat making app. I use studio one but I've gotten used to pro tools. I don't have to think to make beats or mix and record in it. My producer uses FL and mixes in Adobe. I say use what makes you happy.
YES! 😂 In 2025 ProTools became 100% an "old musician" DAW. It was designed back then in the 80s (with an old, now mostly outdated way of record production in mind, that is in many parts appears alien and even backwards to the modern day, mostly young recording specialists, who just started to study music production nowadays) as a professional hardware/software system (professional means rigid, sturdy and reliable - which equals to constant and consistent results, which is still to this day day the most crucial aspect to every pro production - allowing only very little, incremental changes in expanding its abilities to ensure all of the above quality assurance. The whole above mentioned concept was considered "the holy grail" principles on the verge of the 80s/90s where all synths and fx were outboard hardware, with MIDI tracks in mind + (where mere simultaneous IN/OUT "duplex" audio was considered top tier state of the art) just stereo recording (max. 4 track at once) with no emphasis on audio recording - just rudimentary tracking of just a few audio channels - as the computers of that time were unable to handle tons of audio tracks (let alone tons of VST synths and plugins as it is today. In fact there were no virtual Instruments nor processors plugins up to the end of the 90s where music making software such as Cubase and Logic first werr able to incorporate software plugin effects like basic hall fx and Rebirth virtual synths and tRacks mastering software emerged, as computers became somewhat more powerful). I was in my 20s back then, so I experienced it all first hand, now being an "old musician" recording artist. 😂 So yes, ProTools was designed to be conservative "old but gold" from the start. And even today it is a solid mainframe which can deliver, although it's an outdated concept altogether ofc, since the most professional music studio industry became obsolete in and of itself too with the rise of the "15 y.o. bedroom hit producers" which ain't wrong by any measure, but just the way the world goes. Now, with the emerging of A.I. (assisted) music "production" the whole music making becomes more and more a life philosophy more than a craft or a trade.
Pro Tools is for people who got swing into purchasing the HD system for their pro studio and tryna make sense of the investment. I learned it in school in '05-'06 and very quickly out of school started using Logic. I was on Cubase at first. I never liked the preamps on the MixBoxes or the Digi001's and Digi002's. After hearing the preamps on Motu's and RME's, I just could not be convinced to go with Pro Tools, especially after they went heavy with the subscription base. I was alreaady turned off by having to have their hardware in order to use their software and having to have an iLok in order to do 3rd party plugins. Way too many extra steps. I'm pretty sure I'm considered old by these noobs at 41. We also learned Digital Performer and Reason at my school. I probably would have never gone to Logic if Reason did audio recording back then, tbh. I really loved Reason A LOT!!
I 2nd your statement about Reason. The reason I went with Ableton (7 at the time) is because Reason (5 at the time) didn't record audio when I was exploring different DAWs. I currently have Live 12, but also have Reason 12 and use it's rack feature within Ableton. You can still use it slaved to your DAW of choice if you like it!
@smoothsavage2870 Ableton is cute. I tried it and definitely love some of the features but ultimately it could not easily replicate certain aspects of my Logic workflow and needs in general. Life is long tho. Never know when it may become exactly what I need.
Let's see: the earliest combo of a computer and music production for me was a 90s Mac, with EZVision, and an M1 (pitch-bendable drums!)... much later it was a Windows machine with Cakewalk Music Creator 2003, a few plugins, and an XV-5050 and good ol' Dr. Sample.. later ACID was good until abandoned, since then REAPER is my thing.. tiny footprint, handles crashes well, and is very customizable to individual workflow.
I have ALL the DAWs, but I will say the new features in Pro Tools make it better than it's ever been.... Folder routing tracks, ARA, Type to plugin/routing search, MIDI thru, MIDI plugins, Freeze/Commit tracks, Sketch, Custom keyboard shortcuts, Atmos,
There was a time people use to whistle. There was a time people use to tell jokes. Times certainly have changed. I really do think that people like what they like and will defend it no matter what. And at the end of the day if you're not creating fire it does not matter what DAW you use. You and Barry have tested the waters and your perspectives are intelligent. I would have to agree that the new engineers don't care about "industry standard". They care about "fire tracks"!
I'm a 50 year old producer who uses Ableton and love it. Nothing wrong with Pro Tools but you just have to do you and what make since for your workflow.
I'm an 80s baby also and now I produce, record vocals, mix and master in FL Studio now. Just as simple as using one Daw and lifetime updates. Why would I pay for something else these days. Appreciate these vids bro..m
ProTools put their hat into being an engineer's DAW, not a producer's DAW. Most of the younger cats are like the EDM artist, they are starting off as bedroom producers and learning engineering as they go. They aren't gonna have the time or money to start off going to a recording school. Also, a lot of artist are getting their start independently through social media and streaming services that vary in audio quality to investing in a "pro sound" might not even be worth the money. This is a crazy analogy but hear me out. ProTools is like racism. Logic and human decency should eliminate things like that but all it takes is a handful of people who still embrace it to keep it going. 😆
This video is spot on bro. What REALLY frustrates me is when veteran Pro Tools users typical tell clients that if you don't have Pro Tools In your set up, you don't have a real studio. Thats a complete lie and they are defending a primitive DAW that's basically a gimmick and not even close to being the best.
What's good bro? you can't forget about before the daw got up and running good, rolland digital recorders was doing there thing in home studios VS 880 VS 1680 then they came with the V 2480 or motorized fighters. I still have my VS 1680 so before the doll was doing good people are still moved away from analog to digital with those. People forgot a lot of artists had starred recording on that like OutKast Goodie bar. At home and taking it to the studio and dumping it off to save money.
50 year old producer and mix engineer here. I produce in Logic and record, mix, and master in Pro Tools. At the end of the day, use what you're comfortable with and make jams. That's pretty much it.
Have no idea how you mixing it PT because Logic still not have stem export.
@jklight3795 I bounce the stems out of Logic and import them into PT for mixing. Easy breezy.
I produce, mix and master all in Logic Pro. I fell in love with it after purchasing it for my studio. Prior to that I worked in Pro Tools out of a friend’s studio.
@@jklight3795 of course it does…export all audio tracks as wav files option.
Exactly in my younger days many people would create with one DAW and then mix and master in protools for “the Sound” or what ever other reason they had.
Yup graduated from FULL SAIL UNV״ Audio Arts״ and our main DAW used was LOGIC PRO.
Had only 2weeks of Pro Tools. I started with Pro Tools over 15 years ago. But I realized in school now I prefer logic hands down!
I’m about to start Audio Production online with Full Sail. How’d you like it?
Full Sail gang ✅
@@YaManMrFaiaI had fun. Make sure you network with your peers and start an internship while there if you can so you'll be ahead of graduation and ready to goooooo ✈️
Went to CRAS and the same. Gave us the PT discount, but we all used logic predominantly.
It's what you like. I know people that make insane music in just FL studio. I prefer Ableton.
Yeah man. Trends change, preferences change. Tools change. Keep it moving. Great conversation
Exactly
@@BoloDaProducer what about Reason 13. I do all my Music in Reason
got my stool softener + blood pressure meds ready 😂
That junk Bolo said was trippin, I laughed so gud! 😂😂😂😂
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Pro Tools in the early ‘90s was designed convert us analog engineers to digital recording. They had two windows; the Mix Window and the Edit Window; to make it easier for us geezers to understand. It worked. We made the jump to recording and mixing in the box. The problem I see today is Pro Tools didn’t progress. In that regard, you’re right, Pro Tools is for old engineers. I started on multitrack cassette in 1985 and upgraded to an 8 track open reel recorder. I made the jump to digital recording with Session 8 in 1993. From there, I moved on to Opcode Studio Vision Pro; Pro Tools Project; Roland VS-1680; Emagic Logic; Pro Tools LE; Pro Tools; and today, Logic Pro X. Pro Tools is like that old girlfriend where you remember all the good feelings at first but then you start recounting all the bad times and you realize you made the right decision by leaving. (Not that any of us have had that experience.) 🤘🏾
I think a reason why you videos spark good conversation is because you have years of both professional and personal experience with the stuff you're talking about, and you try to keep it real and about the music. Mad respect ✌🏽
I’m 55 and I been producing since the ‘80’s. My first D.M. was a Roland TR-707(I still have it). I’ve recorded with Acid Pro, Reason, Protools, and FrootyLoops. My fav is FLStudio…I love how my projects come out.❤️🔥👍🏾
Love the comment. But ya’ gonna leave out the Yamaha V50 bro? 😊
Are you selling your 707?
Spelling it "Frooty" makes it sound even more Frooty.
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@ No Can Do. It was given to me by my music-teacher/step-father. You do understand?
I'm a older cat and I use fl studio for everything. I have a young producer(s) that I work with and man. I become the student. If you're in music ,learn from the youth. Don't be the stubborn old dude. I promise you will learn from each other.
@@beaujaymes75 💯percent Facts!
indeed
I've been using FL since year 2000.
I had the Avid Pro tools setup when it first came out on windows and it was just to much to go Thur. But when I discovered Cubase and Fl Studio I was done with it, I had everything I needed! I’m 54👍🏽
I think the primary reason Pro Tools is still prevalent is because of the philosophy of *"if it ain't broke, don't fix it"*
A lot of people have been using Pro Tools for years and from what I've seen and heard, the workflow hasn't changed much over the years, so those who are used to the Pro Tools workflow just stick with, especially those who are really busy and don't have the time to learn the workflow of a new/different DAW.
It's the same reason why Jake One still uses his ASR 10 or why many producers still use the pre 2012 MPCs.
I’m a late 80’s beginner studio pro audio engineer and producer. I’m 51, I hit the studio as digital interfacing for audio recording was a buzz. There were early forms of digital recording systems but computer interfaced software was a dream come true. I was fortunate to enter at the analog era as it transformed into a digital recording system. Lots of studios closed down almost overnight. Automation by way of Mackie HUI paved the way for emagics, performer aka Digital Performer which I use and is an underrated gem. Then digidesign came with protools and what made it such a popular choice was the audio interfacing it was ground breaking. Many of the first movers and followers failed to enter the market before protools got embraced by everyone from big studios to bedroom studios it was the simplicity of plug and play, but it was actually horrible and buggy in its initial entry. Great episode 👍🏾👍🏾
Bolo, you’re absolutely right about how the old heads from 25-30 years ago thought going digital over analog automatically made the music garbage! I’ve always felt like you should use what works for your process.
Nueodo and Cubase was my go to with hella plug ins. Started using Ableton haven't switched up since.
Pro Tools has been the industry standard for a long time, and its high cost can be a barrier for some musicians. I'm from a generation where software like Lotus 1-2-3 and Wordperfect were considered the 'industry standard' in the 1990s. When Microsoft came along it was considered totally unfeasible that Lotus or Wordperfect would be toppled from their position. 30 years later and most young people in the IT business have never even heard of Lotus - It's a relic from the past.
Newer DAWs like Logic Pro, Ableton Live, and Reaper offer similar capabilities to Pro Tools at a fraction of the price. When I tried Pro Tools trial version and compared it to Live and Logic Pro it reminded me of that day in the early 90s when I fired up Excel for Windows and compared it to Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows. I knew immediately its days were numbered. Although there was an army of accountants and office workers who knew every keystroke and macro in 1-2-3 and vowed that they'd never change, it only took 3 or 4 years for the inevitable.
Ultimately, this democratisation of music production is empowering young artists and challenging the traditional gatekeeping model of the music industry.
I had a hard time transitioning from analog to digital but now I'm all in with the change and looking forward to the next big thing
You're spot on with everything you said in this video. Even down to the eras and generations on how things transitioned
I appreciate you watching!
I’m 51 and I always been using FL Studio. I went from hardware to FL Studio 5!💯✌🏾
I'm 69 an original Cakewalker who transitioned into Sonar but a good friend (late Fred Mc Farlane) in the industry told me I have to move up to Protools back in 2008. So I made the investment of a Macpro 8 gig for home studio(collecting dust now) and Protools 8(still have it). I'm a loyalist so I'm still on latest version of protools (perpetual license) and I've invested in Studio One and looking at going to Logic Pro. Long story short I create demo gospel music for singers and would be songwriters and still haven't touch the surface of protools like you professional guys out there. I'm here for the conversation too......
Luna right now is the new ProTools. They implemented the same key commands to get PT users to migrate on over. Luna is one of the best mixing DAWs out there. Plus the sound alone is dope. The DAW-Wars is definitely real out there!
I like and use Luna as well and usually use that and Logic
I made records on ADATS and 2 inch tape. I remember when things started changing to Pro Tools. Back then computers were not where they are today. My M1 Macbook blows away the top of the line tower computers from the early 2000's. Pro Tools used hardware dsp, so it didn't rely on a powerful computer to run all of the tracks and plugins. Pro Tools created a dsp system that could run on computers of the day and be rock solid. In the early days of computers and ADATs and things like that is sometimes it would glitch. Same thing with the early days of Cubase which relied on a solid computer to run. Pro Tools took over all the big studios because it just worked and the studios charging big money for sessions could not afford to have down time. It just had to be more reliable than a tape machine.
I will start out by saying I do not use Reaper, I have tried, but I'm old people that grew up on Cubase and Pro Tools. I've used a couple of the others DAWs FL Studio, Ableton, to name a few. If I was starting today, I would probably use Reaper because it is cheap and has all of the features that Pro Tools and Cubase have. These days, with the power of computers, it is very easy to make music. There are a lot of good DAWs out there that have a good workflow. It just depends on what you know how to use. Once you get past the learning curve of any DAW, you can just create because you know how to make the program work for you and you can just let the juices flow.
I get what you're saying about Pro Tools. I've been making beats on Reason Studios forever, though I started with FruityLoops. Here’s the thing: Pro Tools knows its core audience is the top-tier studio engineers, not necessarily the home engineers or producers. They can’t please everyone, and that’s okay.
It’s similar to what I face as an older producer do I keep trying to make beats for the younger crowd, or do I stay true to what made me fall in love with music in the first place? There’s a lane for everyone, and constantly switching lanes can make you lose both the passion and the fans.
At the end of the day, it comes down to this: are you in it for the money, or are you in it for the love? Pro Tools has a loyal fan base, and if everything starts catering to the younger crowd, then what’s left for the rest of us?
I think the overall issue with daws is the productivity integration to where daws are used for making beats oppose to just tracking and mixing. I prefer to keep those separate to keep the overall conversation “not just here” going forward especially when some someone platform setup may be geared for mixing and not producing. I may be wrong but just my pov
It's good to see people finally coming to their senses. The " industry standard" is generally always slow to change and old in its feature sets and relies on stuck outdated thinking, not features, to maintain its hold on an industry. Pro Tools has built its entire legacy on being the industry standard, which has absolutely nothing to do with being the best. Thanks for opening up the conversation.
I think it is all about uses. I still think that Pro Tools is one of the best in terms of recording and mixing. I also thought that it was one of the best at handling things closer to real time, like multiple headphone mixes, recording through effects, etc. If I'm not doing anything but recording and mixing, I would still use PT 10HD. That was probably the most bullet proof system I've ever used. Truth is, we are in a time and place where we want to do more with less (I get it) and also having tools doing more for us (I get this too). I'm someone who thought that Ensoniq Paris was better than Pro Tools back in the day but I also understood what they were going for, which was to mimic the analog workflow. Times have changed and we got people who wouldn't know what to do in front of a real mixer, so DAWS are being built around those users as opposed to what Pro Tools has stuck with.
@@jahsoul357 The only issue I have with what you said is I think it’s one of the best in recording and mixing, which it mite still be but often times Pro Tools users are working with outdated information and simply have never used any other Pro Tools.
A professional does not rent their main tools. No professional should use subscription software. Tell a carpenter he can't buy a hammer, he can only rent one, don't be suprised you'll be shitting splinters for a month. Companies like Adobe and Avid have no longer a reason to still be in business, they only still excist because schools and the industry keeps pushing that shit around.
Facts!
I use Mackie Tracktion aka waveform and it is fantastic. Very easy to use and you can do anything you want. If you like saving time then try it.
In the early 2000’s I was using Pro Tools and a MPC 2000. Teenagers would come through with beats made on trial versions of FRUITY LOOPS. I was amazed at some of the beats they would come up with made on their family computers.
I'm 34 this year. I've been using protools only to record from 2010-20 and FL Studio since I was a kid . Just easy for me to make beats and record in FL STUDIO
FL done got way better
Like they say, Pro Tools is indeed the industry standard. It's used in more professional studios than most other daws. We can't deny that. But, there are some daws like....Ableton Live, Logic Pro, Studio One, FL, Cubase, and even upstart Bitwig to name a few, have surpassed that standard. But, it's ultimately whatever you use that works best for you.
Some of us have just gone dawless and use the MPC or the Maschine Plus as our workstation. No worries about crashes.😊
That's only true for post-production. The film world
That's not true. Pro Tools is the industry standard in post-production. I'm a post-production supervisor in the film world that is where we see them. Especially in combination with Avid media composer. It's an extremely expensive solution there and they found their way into the big studios. Music production , audio all of that, however is shared with all the other daws and Pro Tools is just one of them. So all the big talk, like you just did comes really from the film world. That is where the money is that is how Hollywood works. But that is not what we're talking about here
I'm in your age group bro. My first DAW was Cubase because it came with my first interface a Presonus Firestudio. Presonus had not yet invented Studio One so they paired their interfaces with Cubase. There was a period when I wasn't too happy with Cubase, it was Cubase 8 so I bought Pro Tools as I was thinking of switching. I quickly noticed things I was so used to in Cubase were absent entirely in PT and PT sucks for midi and virtual instruments. Cubase also comes with everything and a lot of it. You don't just get a good reverb, you get like 6 of them. You get about 4 different compressors, two limiters, two chorus plugins and a lot of distortion and modulation plugin effects. Steinberg also now has this thing to make it easier to switch from other daws. They have the key commands of several other daws including Pro Tools you can choose to use so you don't have to learn new key commands, you can keep using the ones you already know from your daw.
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This is an excellent point of view. I agree with the “philosophy of change.” It’s necessary to keep the creative mind growing with the “evolving eras of technological innovation.” As a singer, songwriter, audio engineer and emerging music administrator. I love interacting with young professionals who do things differently, but get the job done. I like to listen to younger musicians’ thoughts on what they are currently using in their studio sessions. We all have a place at “the table of collaboration.” 😊 I know that keeping an open mind will help me stay relevant to changing industry standards, by keeping my skills updated with a fresh and innovative attitude. Competition is a healthy aspect of entrepreneurial ventures. I am learning all I can about music technology, it changes swiftly. you young man for your enthusiasm about our music industry. You are keeping it 💯. I am committed to being an example of excellence fir other female musicians, business women and producers. “sistahs do mix…” 😅
I say find what works best for you and use that. I’ve tried Ableton, Pro Tools, Logic, Cubase, Nuendo, Digital Performer, Studio One, Reason, and my weapons of choice LUNA and Reaper.
No other DAW sounds as good as LUNA period. I start there, bounce individual tracks and then head over to Reaper once I’ve given LUNA all it can handle.
The Neve and API summing
Are beautiful.
API Vision strip and 2500 buss comp, along with the Studer and ATR tape emulations just kill all the other DAWS.
Thanks for the video.
The reason I chose Reaper is because of the way it handles CPU power. Flawless. Ableton was the worst for that, the others are about the same.
I record at 96/24 and have a couple of powerful machines, but still don’t like wasting power.
Feels like protools started out with tight vertical integration with special purpouse hardware and support. Once general purpose computer hardware became powerful enough, the vertical model was no longer necessary, and more horizontal solutions across interfaces, OS', drivers, and DAWs became possible.
About 5 years back, I started hearing the younger crowd calling it, "Boomer Tools". 😲No joke!
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HILLARIOUS!!! I'm definitely going to use that one!!
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43 yr old FL - rock producer here. I was on the Pro Tools bandwagon in the early days, but honestly jumped to FL when Edison became a thing. Those lifetime updates are pretty sweet. I've been messing around on Luna lately, though. You should check it out if you haven't yet. It's a beautiful mix of annolog (in the box) feel and sound into a DAW. Keep up the good work!
Working in a production house in the early 2000’s we used Logic to compose, record vocals, mix and sometimes master with the help of waves and later on universal audio plugins. Stared off on the ASR10 then jumped to the MPC2000 but once I got started cooking with a PC and then later on the Macintosh there was no looking back for me. 8:11
hahaha I'm the same but the opposite lol , 57-year-old music producer and studio owner, who never used pro tools ever as it was always so damn expensive, started with Cubase, then moved to logic, then back to Cubase, would know where to start with pro tools, always found it very complicated compared to other DAWs, especially in the world of MIDI.
Great follow up. I came into the industry in the early 80s and lived the transition from analog to digital. For digital back then when I could afford it, Cakewalk on a PC and then to Apple where I was Team MOTU and Digital Performer (until they hiccuped with an iOS update and hopped over to Logic). I do all my pre-production in Logic now, but for live instrument and vocal recording, I still like going into a professional studio where I can access a good desk, expensive mics and the great outboard equipment. It’s the best of both worlds for my workflow. I understand the industry is different today and so is the technology and that’s not a bad thing, no different than the progress from analog to digital.
I got a good chuckle out of you saying "mix your stool softener up"............ Good video ! I'm right there with you.
It's funny how I started with Cakewalk Sonar, went through every other DAW made, and ended up coming back Cakewalk Sonar.
Time flies, we about the same age. Its illuminating to hear the changes we've seen over time because it feels like yesterday. I started with Sony Acid Dj, a tascam 4 track and a copy of Cubase Home edition. In 03, My friend at work was a techno production guy, he said I should look into Fruity Loops or Reason if I wanted to do sample based hip-hop. I copped that Reason 2.5 and Recycle. I loved the user interface of it. I learned how to manage midi, mix, master and sound management with it. Over the years I learned everything else but my base creation template is always a Reason screen. I got terrabytes of refills and unique sounds only in the Reason Studios library. When I have to collaborate, I simply import my raw audio to FL, Logic or Protools because thats what everyone expecting. If they see the reason screen, they will say it doesn't sound right, even if im using it as Rewire tracks inside another DAW.😅 Nobody knows, except yall.😂
I did something like nine albums on Reason and because people would say that Reason didn't sound good I eventually moved to Maschine before moving quite quickly to Logic with hardware. Now I have the old school sound that I love but when I listen to the albums I did with Reason and Sonar I love how it sounds as it sounds like the current modern music sounds. This year I will be using Reason again after a break of almost ten years. I started with Reason 2.5 as well.
I was working for a high-profile client over Zoom a year ago and I was using Logic and RX, she was like “Oooh boy you making this little thing work, what is this?” I said Logic, I said I have Pro Tools too. She said, “No you good, you zipping through these edits.” 😂😂😂😂😂 yup because Logic's ease of use will force you to become a power user and make you fast as hell.
I’m 38 and watched both videos and I have to fully agree with Bolo. I first used Pro Tools in 2006 on PC though I had been using other DAW’s since 2002 and I initially hated Pro Tools. It just seemed difficult and too complicated to startup and go compared to what I’d been using at the time which was Magix and Acoustica programs. By 2007 I started using Fruity Loops (FL) and from that point I would produce in FL (even though you could record in it by then) and I would track vocals in Magix (now Samplitude). I eventually would return to Pro Tools because of it being what most professional studios and other creatives were using, but I never completely converted over to using it solely. I did for a while use it because of it’s power with certain plugins for mixing, but to Bolo’s point, other DAW’s began giving better plugins - stock plugins at that which would give all the more reason to not need Pro Tools. Today, Pro Tools is no longer part of my process though I still have it and will use it if I had a need to, but I don’t. A friend of mine is enrolled in a local music school where they’re teaching him on Pro Tools even though he learned most things on FL, so by the aspect of professional, it’s still seen as the standard, and I think it still is amongst higher-end studios that have been around forever and as well in other genre’s like the Pop world, but I notice that the younger generation are heavily into FL and BandLab nowadays which both are giving them microwave techniques but they sound amazing so long as you know what you’re doing. As for me, Pro Tools has never been my standard, but it has always been a reputable DAW in the music game for many years.
If DAW’s were phone companies, Pro Tools would be Sprint and FL would be T-Mobile. Sprint was on top for a long time, but eventually T-Mobile overpowered them and took over. Next will be BandLab probably who’s like Cricket. 🤷🏾♂️
I use like 4 DAWs depending on my mood. Pro tools is one of the best for recording and editing on the fly but I like Luna better. Studio one is dope too
I'm an old guy that has used Pro Tools for over 20 years now and for the first time ever, I'm looking to switch to either Logic Pro or Studio One. I agree with you on everything and I LOVE the fact that industry competition is pushing the technology forward to the benefit of us, the users. I'm hoping that the competition will push Avid to reconsider their pricing structure and give their product a massive boost forward to keep up with the innovations coming with the competitions aggressive forward momentum. Nice job on these videos, Bolo!
#LogicProX
When I first moved to Nashville and went to school, we were in Otari Radar. I learned on PT and I couldn’t agree with this video more. I will say this: in big sessions in the bigger studios in Nashville, it’s mainly PT, but it’s a conversation that keeps happening.
Age means nothing just make good music !
I say that because I’m 45 and it makes me feel better
I completely agree. I went to music school and got certified for Pro Tools while there, and the DAW of choice was Pro Tools. When I graduated, I used Logic. Now I produce using Native Instruments Komplete and Maschine with Logic and Luna.
Braddah! Everything you said was on point! You just had me going down Memory lane with the changes, It was a great time to see it all grow. It's good to see the Yutes making music happen.
Ableton strains my old eyes. I've tried to work with it since the lite version came with all kinds of hardware. Good insights on the changes from hardware to software recording. Also, Finale was taught to many music majors. Finale has recently closed up. I switched to Sibelius in v.2. Since Avid kept charging the subscription, I've moved on to Dorico for music notation Cubase or Logic for recording. Thanks!
No doubt!
I'm still on Pro Tools because 1. Its what I came up on.
2. I'm still 100% hardware for production.
BUT! If I were starting now, I definitely would be using either FL, Logic or Ableton. No debate here!
For producers this is spot on. You must remember, a lot of audio people use protools in the film industry.
Yeap. For dialogue editing and sound effects ...standard there.... but that's not the music industry
Your right Bolo..... I started on with pro tools then switch to FL been a user for over 20 years bro great video
Great conversation @Bolo Da Producer 🫡
@12:02 you are absolutely correct. Back when i first started back in 2000. I started off with Reason, Protools & Cubase because i couldn't afford analog gear. & I remember watching a dvd around 2002 or 2003, DJ Quik on his DVD Visualism critiqued newer producers then using computers & digital equipment. Saying that music wasn't meant to be made on computers. Which made me go out and get analog gear once i got a good paying job 😂
great video - I feel very old, but this is progress, continued development and evolution. The great thing is everyone can use whatever software they want and feel they get the best results from 🙂
I commented on your previous video but here I am commenting on this one cause I think this conversation has a lot of standpoints.
Pro Tools is definitely not or at least it hasn't always been the case of the DAW for producers, and more so the DAW for engineers!
Now, Avid is definitely changing their focus and getting new producer-centric features that were in my opinion really necessary.
We now have MIDI effects, not as many as Ableton for example but it's got some.
It's got some MIDI improvements like the MIDI Chain In which works in conjunction with the latter.
Focused MIDI view, which to me is a step closer to having drum editors.
It's got GrooveCell for beatmaking although in my opinion, it should have a sampler like Ableton where you can chop audio, slice and do multiple things with it.
I think Pro Tools would improve a ton if the following features were added:
1. Mix recalabilty like Studio One, Reaper, and Cubase have.
2. Moving faders without creating groups.
3. Better Cloud-based collaboration; it's a great idea but it feels somewhat abandoned.
4. Output Record as in Reaper; you can record through your inserts in Reaper and that's awesome.
5. No track limitations regardless of its version.
6. A proper plug-in manager window
7. Resizable plug-in GUI for all stock plug-ins where I think all of their catalog is due on an upgrade too.
8. More libraries and virtual instruments.
And there are more things to add to the list, but certainly one of the things that I think are really important is not to have track limitations.
Any other DAW has no track limitations as far as I'm concerned and it should be that way.
Ableton always works! I've been through Digital Performer, Pro Tools, GarageBand, Logic, and Studio One. At one point or another, all of these have failed me except Ableton Live. It's been a constant that I've used Rewired to other DAW's to the point of Studio One failing me and deciding to drop it totally and Upgrade Ableton Live 8 to Live 12. It just works consistently! Live and in the studio.
How did you get Ableton to work in Studio One with Rewire? I never could get it to record into S1 from Ableton.
@@smoothsavage2870 I just used to open Studio One. Then open Ableton Live. Ableton Live would then have the track output select option of a Studio One Track and Studio One would have the same option on an input track. That's how I remember it but Rewire was discontinued after Live 10 so no one can do that anymore unless your still running older versions of these DAW's.
@@ThatJerseyBloke Yea i know. I gave up on ReWire in the mid 2010s lol. I just use Ableton/Reason to create and Studio One as my mixing/mastering station at this point. I have Live 12 and S1 Pro v7 currently.
@@smoothsavage2870 I abandoned Studio One. Just after they were bought out by that new company, All my main audio processing plug-ins just stopped working in it. Ozone and Analog Channel to name a few and I use those on EVERY project! I also had Live 8 then and absolutely everything was working great. Presonus Product support just keep saying I needed to upgrade from Studio One 4. I upgraded Ableton Live instead.
If there was one Daw that could convince a Protools user otherwise and never look back would be Studio One definitely. You don't even have to learn new quick keys just tell it what daw your coming from and the quick keys would be the same as that Daw
😂 word, same with nuendo. No scam to buy they bs converters and hardware either. You can use a ton of other controllers along with more features for hybrid mix and record models. No bs subscriptions just get updates and go.
I'm old school too...I was a pro tools user from 2009 until 2019. I switched from PC to MAC and Logic was an obvious choice for me when I had both experiences at the same time...and...I was having a subscription issue with Avid at the time - so that made the choice much easier.
When pro tools came out it was a direct replacement for analog tape.. so at its core its a tape machine. So if all you're trying to do is record audio then use pro tools.
I grew up producing on FL Studio and went to University for Audio Engineering. There I learnt Pro Tools and Logic, and suffice to say with a deeper theoretical understanding of synths and the whole production process, it made me love FL even more, but in a different way. FL still fits into my workflow if I want to make a certain kind of programmed music using just my laptop. Audio editing, and mixing, is a whole nother ball game, which I feel Pro Tools does spectacularly well, and is very streamlined for recording, editing and mixing workflows in a way that FL just hasn't gotten quite right yet. So I still use FL, but for my professional work I use Pro Tools and still actively recommend it for other engineers. I've also gravitated to Maschine and the NI system as a more hands on approach to ideation and music making.
But at the end of the day, they are just tools. If you have the understanding and the feel for what you're trying to achieve (in a musical context), then it doesn't really matter the program. That doesn't negate the need for a great signal chain (ADA, mics, preamps, monitoring, etc.), musicianship, and solid engineering skills, but it opens up the creative process for more people to engage their musical creativity however they deem fit. I'm 24, for context, and I'm happily learning and using the best of all the tools that I have at my disposal.
Also, Universal Audio’s Luna is coming for Pro Tools, too. I can see a lot of folks who are using Pro Tools right now for post production switching over to Luna within the next few years.
Eeeyuuuup
I like Luna. It still needs a little time to get a foothold, but I enjoyed mixing on it.
Luna is definitely coming up
I just recorded in Luna last night. Sounds so good with the extensions.
Yep
cant leave reason out !
Actually it came out in 1989 it was called "Sound Tools" it was the first tapeless studio ever created for 2 track recording. Then Digidesign relaesed Pro Tools the multi track system in 91. It cost 6K to buy "Sound Tools" only on Mac.
It was Digidesign for a long time before Avid. Avid went nuts on the subscription stuff.
I’m on Reaper and it’s kickass. You can make it function and setup like ProTools as well if you want.
🤣🤣🤣 👍🏼 your videos are awesome dude- really good stuff! Go Ableton! 😝
Ableton gang 😂😂😂
How did I find this video and get sucked in? Cause now I can't stay quiet!
You're not wrong... a lot of what you said is 100% right, but specifically from your perspective. And the way you laid out the argument, yes, you're correct. However you missed a major piece. ProTools isn't trying to compete as the same production tool that Logic is, and certainly not Ableton. They actually serve different niches, and because of that, I think for the foreseeable future, PT will remain.
I'm older than you, born in '77. I started hanging around studios when I was 13 and learned to record to 2" tape. I made the transition into ADAT & DA 88. then, DAWs. I bought Logic Audio in 1994 when Logic was just a MIDI sequencer, and Logic Audio was an upgrade that allowed you to record up to 4 tracks of digital audio! Emagic was still the owner of Logic at that time and we didn't even know if Apple was going to survive! (so yea, I'm an "old guy"). I bought Protools soon after along with a sound designed audio card for around $1000 that did 2 channels of digital audio, with a crap ton of latency... BUT WE COULD EDIT VOCALS!!!
I say that to say I lived the transition on every level. My focus in the 90's was more as a keyboard player and programming tracks. That's what Logic was 2nd to none at doing. It was a MIDI beast. The audio piece came later and primarily developed out of the need to develop better digital audio features to support the new software synths that were being developed.
Protools, on the other hand, solved a problem no one else could solve... with a Protools HD system you could replace a 2" tape machine and track with zero latency because it wasn't processing on the computer. When I built my studio, even though I preferred to program in Logic, I always tracked and mixed in Protools because there was so much more power with a PT HD system.
Today computing has caught up and we can do a lot more with a CPU based DAW than we could back then. But that's why Protools became the standard.
Protools has never been a synth production workstation. It does MIDI/sample instruments, but only as an afterthought and fairly poorly. ProTools is, has always been, and always will be a fairly simple software (relative to Logic) that works for the work flow of a studio musician in a high end studio environment. Said differently: it's the replacement for the old 2" tape/SSL console world... that's what it's great at. And while there are some really great alternatives today, I don't think any of them do the job Protools does as well as protools does it.
Yes, one could say "it just works" and that's exactly why it is the king of IT'S castle. If you have a session at oceanway dropping $5k+/hr with 40 piece orchestra on the floor... Protools is the only logical option... because it just works. When it comes to audio for film (most people don't realize film has been the primary innovator of audio technology!) Protools does what it does better than anyone.
It's not an "old guy tool". It's a Niche tool.
It's just that the "niche" Protools fills better than anyone, is a niche that percentage wise, very few people fit into. That's why it's expensive. That's why it's easy to judge from the outside and say "it's not as good". Because you're actually not the niche user for ProTools.
I sold my studio nearly 15 years ago. I still run Logic. If I ever built another studio I would install Protools in a heartbeat. But for what I do today (primarily synth and programming tracks) Logic is, and has always been, 1000x better than Protools. Because they are different tools!
Logic became really popular after Apple bought Emagic and dropped the price from $1100 to whatever it is today. Then they made Logic Lite and called it Garageband and gave it away. So it was/is a perfect gateway into the Logic world. I think Logic is by far the best PRODUCTION software. For what I do it's the best. And the things Logic does great, those things Protools has never been able to compete with.
But when it comes to tracking a large session, and replacing the user flow of the vintage studio production model... Protools still reigns supreme. I would never pretend Logic is as good AT THAT.
Ableton Live - is a completely different niche.
Reason - even a more different Niche.
ALL OTHERS are secondary.
Remember that these Bolo videos were inspired by the latest rant from Barry Johns. Barry is _very_ invested in the ProTools ecosystem, presumably in a more "traditional" recording environment than modern hip-hop. Yet he is increasingly disillusioned with Avid's business decisions.
Well said, I'm a graduate of Full Sail University 2003 and it couldn't be stated better. We used all kinds of software from Digital Performer for our Midi class, Nuendo, Acid etc. But like you said Pro Tools excel at Audio Tracking and Mixing and folks just don't understand that and that's what we used to Record a band for our project
Pro tools is pretty much just for mixing imo, I feel like pro tools has a "sound" that we are use to hearing now. Also for people who run commercial studios it takes time to learn a new workflow, it's one of those if it's not broke why fix it situations
Bruh you are preaching !1 I went through this whole transition with the DAW.. Protools really dropped the ball.
Pro Tools isn't user friendly for new users. I can load up any other DAW and start recording instantly. #StudioOne is my DAW of choice because they continue to listen to the community and are adding features that make producing music easier 💯
Yep, you gotta know something about audio engineering to deal with Protools I love it.. works for me
@tonylegend8593 Pro Tools is great for audio engineering and that's it. Cubase is probably the best DAW in terms of an "All in one". Logic would also be considered in that category but everything is like a niche DAW that works best in a specific lane like making beats, recording vocals, mastering etc. And I'd also like to note the UI of certain DAWs is a big reason why we either love em or hate em cause man that shit is an instant "hard pass" if it looks weird 😂
As you tried to explain how Pro Tools isn't the industry standard you actually proved how Pro Tools is the industry standard....Because with every explanation it ending but I had to do it in pro tools because when it was taking somewhere else because they were all using Pro Tools. Industry Standard.
I thought the same thing , in yesterdays video also , he even says he uses it lol
Exactly!! 😂 The whole argument is bogus and just ends up back at the beginning. All he keeps mentioning and naming are the reasons he or others don't like it, features that are missing. BUT, ALL the majors are STILL running PT. The software not having certain features is an entirely different conversation. But so long as 98% of these studios are STILL running it, "lack of features" or not, it will always be the industry standard. Until that changes, the fact that it is STILL the standard does not change.😂 His whole approach and wording to this topic is completely wrong.
I don't think you're aware of what the industry is. Pro Tools is the standard in post-production. That is the film world for sound dialogue editing and sound effects etc. I work as a post-production supervisor and it is in every Hollywood studio with the Avid S6 consoles and Avid media composer. Millions of dollars are spent on expensive contracts and server licenses such as the Avid Nexis server. That is the facts. But this is not what we're talking about here. Pro Tools is just one of the digital audio Workstations for music production. It has fallen behind and is certainly not a industry standard anymore. Look up the definition of what standard is.
@@cavrenodem2436 Agreed. It doesnt matter if there are better D.A.W.'s, Pro Tools is the industry standard and you're gonna have to use it.
It's all about personal preference. Use whatever works for you. The most important thing is your creative gifts and talents. Those that listen to or watch the final product don't care what gear was used. They don't even care.
Bolo thanks for the good work that you are doing.
Big up on yourself brother.
I tried Ableton and I never looked back 😁
I could never wrap my head around pro tools. I started out using Cakewalk Sonar. Now I use Logic and Reason. People be falling asleep on Reason.
Absolutely older musicians DAW! And love it! Served me extremely well through the years! No complaints! Daw is daw is daw is daw! It’s what to get from any tools to complete a project in. I use many TOOLS! regardless of what you use! You can’t polish a turd!
You are absolutely right!! I started producing in 2004 with FL Studio. I caught a lot of flack recording people because they felt like it wasn’t professional. A few years later everyone was using it. I switched to Studio One around 2015 for the file system and ease of use because I lost a lot of work on FL because of the way it saves and I’m 50. I didn’t like the fact that Pro Tools only worked with its own hardware. I didn’t like Reason either, it was too distracting just like Ableton 💯
Use what works for you. I graduated Full Sail back in 01 and I was using Acid pro to make beats and then moved to pro tools. I learned reason and used it for a while for beat production unril pro tools caught up with every other beat making app. I use studio one but I've gotten used to pro tools. I don't have to think to make beats or mix and record in it. My producer uses FL and mixes in Adobe. I say use what makes you happy.
YES! 😂 In 2025 ProTools became 100% an "old musician" DAW. It was designed back then in the 80s (with an old, now mostly outdated way of record production in mind, that is in many parts appears alien and even backwards to the modern day, mostly young recording specialists, who just started to study music production nowadays) as a professional hardware/software system (professional means rigid, sturdy and reliable - which equals to constant and consistent results, which is still to this day day the most crucial aspect to every pro production - allowing only very little, incremental changes in expanding its abilities to ensure all of the above quality assurance.
The whole above mentioned concept was considered "the holy grail" principles on the verge of the 80s/90s where all synths and fx were outboard hardware, with MIDI tracks in mind + (where mere simultaneous IN/OUT "duplex" audio was considered top tier state of the art) just stereo recording (max. 4 track at once) with no emphasis on audio recording - just rudimentary tracking of just a few audio channels - as the computers of that time were unable to handle tons of audio tracks (let alone tons of VST synths and plugins as it is today.
In fact there were no virtual Instruments nor processors plugins up to the end of the 90s where music making software such as Cubase and Logic first werr able to incorporate software plugin effects like basic hall fx and Rebirth virtual synths and tRacks mastering software emerged, as computers became somewhat more powerful).
I was in my 20s back then, so I experienced it all first hand, now being an "old musician" recording artist. 😂 So yes, ProTools was designed to be conservative "old but gold" from the start.
And even today it is a solid mainframe which can deliver, although it's an outdated concept altogether ofc, since the most professional music studio industry became obsolete in and of itself too with the rise of the "15 y.o. bedroom hit producers" which ain't wrong by any measure, but just the way the world goes.
Now, with the emerging of A.I. (assisted) music "production" the whole music making becomes more and more a life philosophy more than a craft or a trade.
Pro Tools is for people who got swing into purchasing the HD system for their pro studio and tryna make sense of the investment. I learned it in school in '05-'06 and very quickly out of school started using Logic. I was on Cubase at first. I never liked the preamps on the MixBoxes or the Digi001's and Digi002's. After hearing the preamps on Motu's and RME's, I just could not be convinced to go with Pro Tools, especially after they went heavy with the subscription base. I was alreaady turned off by having to have their hardware in order to use their software and having to have an iLok in order to do 3rd party plugins. Way too many extra steps. I'm pretty sure I'm considered old by these noobs at 41. We also learned Digital Performer and Reason at my school. I probably would have never gone to Logic if Reason did audio recording back then, tbh. I really loved Reason A LOT!!
I 2nd your statement about Reason. The reason I went with Ableton (7 at the time) is because Reason (5 at the time) didn't record audio when I was exploring different DAWs. I currently have Live 12, but also have Reason 12 and use it's rack feature within Ableton. You can still use it slaved to your DAW of choice if you like it!
@smoothsavage2870 Ableton is cute. I tried it and definitely love some of the features but ultimately it could not easily replicate certain aspects of my Logic workflow and needs in general. Life is long tho. Never know when it may become exactly what I need.
started using both FL Studio and Pro tools at the same time, back in 1999 late 1998, I preferred FL Studio to Pro Tools!
Let's see: the earliest combo of a computer and music production for me was a 90s Mac, with EZVision, and an M1 (pitch-bendable drums!)... much later it was a Windows machine with Cakewalk Music Creator 2003, a few plugins, and an XV-5050 and good ol' Dr. Sample.. later ACID was good until abandoned, since then REAPER is my thing.. tiny footprint, handles crashes well, and is very customizable to individual workflow.
I always saw Protools as the bridge between analog studio recording, and DAW. Unfortunately for Protools, that model is antiquated.
9th Wonder made all of his beats in FL Studio and I grew up on Little Brother's music. That was way before FL became so popular
I have ALL the DAWs, but I will say the new features in Pro Tools make it better than it's ever been....
Folder routing tracks, ARA, Type to plugin/routing search, MIDI thru, MIDI plugins, Freeze/Commit tracks, Sketch, Custom keyboard shortcuts, Atmos,
There was a time people use to whistle. There was a time people use to tell jokes. Times certainly have changed. I really do think that people like what they like and will defend it no matter what. And at the end of the day if you're not creating fire it does not matter what DAW you use. You and Barry have tested the waters and your perspectives are intelligent. I would have to agree that the new engineers don't care about "industry standard". They care about "fire tracks"!
I'm a 50 year old producer who uses Ableton and love it. Nothing wrong with Pro Tools but you just have to do you and what make since for your workflow.
I use presonus studio one now!
yessssss!!!!
Agreed... everything changes 💯💯
I'm an 80s baby also and now I produce, record vocals, mix and master in FL Studio now. Just as simple as using one Daw and lifetime updates. Why would I pay for something else these days. Appreciate these vids bro..m
ProTools put their hat into being an engineer's DAW, not a producer's DAW. Most of the younger cats are like the EDM artist, they are starting off as bedroom producers and learning engineering as they go. They aren't gonna have the time or money to start off going to a recording school. Also, a lot of artist are getting their start independently through social media and streaming services that vary in audio quality to investing in a "pro sound" might not even be worth the money.
This is a crazy analogy but hear me out. ProTools is like racism. Logic and human decency should eliminate things like that but all it takes is a handful of people who still embrace it to keep it going. 😆
"The Industry standard" was a digi design slogan that Avid kept when it killed digi design.
I really like your content. Great stuff!
This video is spot on bro. What REALLY frustrates me is when veteran Pro Tools users typical tell clients that if you don't have Pro Tools In your set up, you don't have a real studio. Thats a complete lie and they are defending a primitive DAW that's basically a gimmick and not even close to being the best.
What's good bro? you can't forget about before the daw got up and running good, rolland digital recorders was doing there thing in home studios VS 880 VS 1680 then they came with the V 2480 or motorized fighters. I still have my VS 1680 so before the doll was doing good people are still moved away from analog to digital with those. People forgot a lot of artists had starred recording on that like OutKast Goodie bar. At home and taking it to the studio and dumping it off to save money.
The biggest problem with Pro Tools is Pro Tools users.
Bolo! You forgot all about REASON!🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Man says it like it is, brilliant!