in the age where youtubers are too afraid to lose their "sponsers" by actually giving bad reviews to certain products, I fkin love ur balls for ACTUALLY sayin what is good and bad (with reasons). I love this video and I subbed immediately.
This^ i have a pyle speaker that comes with a microphone and everything and can be bluetooth or aux and its like the cheapest low quality speaker i have but its been named the "speaker of truth" cause i have the volume marked to stay in the same place forever and i test every mix on it to try and get it as loud as it can without crumbling as alot of my favorite tracks that i use as a reference are right at the point that would start distorting if i turned it up any further. I think everyone needs a cheap mono speaker or atleast learn how to set your device to play mono only so u dont have anything only working cause it panned enough then phase cancel out or just not sound right on mono speaker
i think paid courses are great. you can really go into detail and produce a decent product because you are compensated for your time. people who put up loads of free content without getting paid in any way are either ego driven narcissists or hobbyists whos information is certainly not great. no, by far the best is getting info from a pro whos getting financially rewarded for making a good learning product
@APMastering I've experienced work with hobbyists that made my work sound better than pros. The reason was that the hobbyists was 100% in the music style where the pro was more generalist.
pro means you do it as your day job not that you specialise on everything. if you sent me a very specific kind of american country album, i'd do it if you wanted me, but i'd tell you up front that's not my speciality. id hope someone absolutely obsessed with country would do a better job than me. but no hobbyists are beating me consistently in techno for example
Watching this video wearing HD600 lol Bought them 10 years ago, since then broke the cable 3 times, changed worn out ear pads, but the cans themselves sound amazing till this day.
The 600's are basically forever headphones. I keep them despite having fancier ones, because I know they'll last. The Sundara I think are just a little better and flatter and definitely more technical.
I actually agree with this guy's opinion on almost everything he says regarding audio. He records his video with a potato, however, and that really causes my chi to become misaligned. It's also hilarious that he talks about expensive monitors and headphones and records himself speaking with a crappy iPhone microphone. :)
The MEMS devices in most phones now days are fairly high performance compared to the typical electrete mic most would unknowingly use. There are a surprising number of mics out there that, despite the fancy packaging and the lofty performance claims are nothing more than a basic electrete element at the front.
The HD600's aren't perfect, but beyond the light bass, they're quite good when the ear pads aren't worn out. When they are, it's almost like listening to just mids when you compare to a speaker. It's not just mids, but they definitely stick out a lot. My favorite are the Sundara's with the 2020 pad revision for their extra technical performance, decent mids but extended bass and treble. Sounds flatter than the 600's but very slightly less mids ~1.5khz. mild EQ around there and the bass helps a lot and the lie distortion makes it have no effect on technical performance. Most studio headphones are a rip-off though, the 600's are about the best that get recommended for that use, besides maybe the MM-500 but I've never heard that one.
New as in from the OEM, or 3rd party? Me personally, I did not like their velours, so I found a fancy fenestrated suede pad that was close to vanilla tuning.
Slate VSX is a different animal, you cannot simply put them on and judge them. It took me about a week for my ears to adapt to them because in the beginning, all I heard was Phase. Like a good room, these also have their own place for learning the soundstage. For me, I never heard anything like these. You feel like the bass is around you and not only in your head.
I was a Sennheiser guy for over ten years, but after getting tired of replacing pads every year (especially now that the quality seemed to have dropped), I bought a FiiO FT3 and I haven't looked back. I think any headphones are fair for mixing if you know what you are doing and most importantly, you understand how music translates in it. For me, the biggest mistake of mixing with headphones is not using your headphones. It's so much harder to mix with headphones if you only put them on to mix, or if you use them all the time but you enable a specific software or curve to make them sound "studio ready" when mixing. Usually when I mix with headphones, I'm not looking for accuracy, but for familiarity. I want my mixes to sound like the music I listen to, and that works fine for me.
Your recommendation of the Sennheiser HD600 series made me chuckle as dealers here in Canada won't extend the warranty on them as they are highly returned and considered disposable.
I have to be honest, regardless of its relatively cheap quality, the VSX headphones with the software is something different. I don’t even care what it is, but I’m telling you it works for me. 👍🏻👍🏻
Same deal with my Sundara, especially with a little EQ. Much more detail and better tuning in either end, the 600's are quite mid focused which is the most important part to get right, but you can't really judge bass on them or sparkle up top.
Not that you need them, but you should try the Avantones Planars, one of the most neutral planar magnetic headphones out there, also not expensive for a planar headphone. Edit: I have an HD6xx and the Avantone has a similar fequency response, but with all the benefits of the planar driver.
TL/DR there is a reason that the HD600 series have been legendary in the audiophile (at least audiophiles that value accuracy) and recording circles for decades.
Headphones are mostly the thing of personal preference due to the fact that everyone’s ears is unique, but 600 series are really the golden standard for any serious audio work. For me personally, Audeze MM-500 sounded like slightly better and clearer version of HD650, so I mostly switched to them after a while, but still keep 650s for occasional checking.
Hey, I have no opinion on headphones this was very informative! And I really enjoyed the more laid back presentation, nothing against the “it’s a scam” tone but this style keeps me more engaged! Have a great day!
Everyone keep in mind: This is only from perspective of a Mastering engineer. Ultimately one has to really learn their mixing reference, and know where it is hyped or deficient. PS: oh btw, ANY headphone (except maybe in-ears) will be significantly position-dependent. There again, one needs to learn where it feels consistently like it's sitting right, and sounding the way you recognize. But i do agree the Sennheisers are nice 👍
love hd600 and jubilee 58x, i don't like the hd650 they make everything sound good. i heard the hifiman sundana nano planar are very good too smh. Returned my neumanns ndh30 as headphones were sounding different everytime you were placing them on your head because of their design was going from very good to muddy if i place them 1 mm in a different position when repositionnng on your head
Ive been mixing with the VSX headphones for a while now and I wouldnt argue with anything you said about them, but there are some other factors worth mentioning. I agree that the marketing is fairly bs, youre not gonna get the same experience as the montoring setups being emulated and there's no escaping the innate limitations of the headphones themselves. That was my hunch before i bought them, which was confirmed when i tried them out but they still proved useful enough for me to keep using them for the following reasons 1) I was previously mixing between 6 in krks in my very small boxy bedroom and m50x's,
I think for measuring accuracy you would need to have a set of audio listening tasks, like matching an audio signal with an eq version of it, or to drop in a mix of sine waves and slightly distorted version of them in random order to see if you can hear the difference and then give it some points.
I was excited about hearing your opinions on headphones, but sitting here with my HD650's, I wonder what I am missing. I often find them making stuff sound too good. Great for casual listening, but I find myself hearing problems later on other cheaper pairs (like gamer headphones, BT headphones, and the like). So I very often feel like I can't trust them. But I guess I just need to learn more and get a better feel of how they translate to consumer gear.
Hello, I like your common sense approach. I am dubious about other youtubers who are at an age 70+ who make analyses and recommendations when their hearing may not exceed 7-8 KHz. Still, I think most people do not listen at home to sound pressure levels that are produced in a concert venue. And I think it is important to listen at levels that allow the dynamic range to be appreciated. It seems however, that happens mostly with classical music and jazz but not so much with pop, rock and metal genres which really never are concerned with dynamic range. I bought an AKG K60 headphone around 1970. Not so strong in the low end but seemed to me at the time to be very satisfactory. And, as I recall, there was a lot of advertising for the Sennheiser HD414 but I never tried them. I have prepared/conditioned audio files for announcements on commuter trains and always thinking that clarity of the announcement was important. In that case, frequency response was limited to about 7KHz due to sampling at 16k rates and suitable for that application. Remember CoolEdit2000? and now there is Ocenaudio that can be used to test your own hearing.
I personally can't stand HD25 for DJing. Uncomfortable, the on-ear design doesn't isolate sound well enough in the booth, and they just feel too flimsy for rough-and-tumble DJ environments. I love the way Sennheisers sound, though, and I really like my HD599 for casual listening when I'm lounging around. Good video, thanks for sharing.
because they are indeed so bright, my original hd800's (not hd800 S) require more EQ than my drop hd6xx, but the 800's do sound better (clearer) once that EQ has been applied. trouble is, for mixing, good headphones give you way too much information above 5k and below 100 Hz. so you have to filter some of that out to make good mixing choices. as well as use some kind of crossfeed algorithm to help give you some phantom center slash de-exaggerate the stereo width (as compared with speakers, and this applies to all headphones). scheps is a mixer so i assume this is behind his headphone choice. bad headphones --> good mix. i imagine this is also part of what makes NS-10's good mixing speakers (aside from the excellent time domain performance). focuses your attention on the midrange. the difference i heard btwn 6xx/600 and 800: the treble seemed crispier/more distorted on the hd6xx/600 and the stereo image is very exaggerated on the 800. the 800 is also brighter, as stated. for a while i didn't feel the 800 was worth the extra money, but i am glad i have them and rarely use the 6xx that i bought more for watching TV
I was wondering: A closed box speaker is a resonator. In the headphones world to avoid having a resonant chamber you then go to open backs. Then why open baffle speakers are not used in studios?
@@Ricochetmex speakers are filled with fibreglass or similar material so they're not a resonator. The lower frequencies act mainly as a spring resisting the cone due to the box being magnitudes smaller than a wavelength. Ported speakers aren't as good as sealed ones due to faster bass falloff but also time domain issues. The port only stays working on the second wave so it'll smudge kicks at least and square waves get weird.
Thanks for your video! have you tried the Hifiman Ananda Nano? (with Harman Curve) ? - i think they have quite amount of accuracy than Sennheiser 600 series - i have those too and the Sennheiser 490pro... ;) all the best!
I have some Beyer Dynamic DT-880s I've had since the 1980s. I have no idea how accurate they are but I do know that when I have used them for mixing I can trust them. I use other headphones for casual listening because they sound nicer, but the DT-880s never make anything sound special that isn't.
Sticking with exactly same model through your career is the best headphone decision because your brain will know how every amazing music sounds and every bit of future music you listen to should sound.
Hey man, love the video. Just one question for you: what are your thoughts on EQ'ing afterwards? I personally love the Harman curve (I know it's not necessary) and I find that dynamic headphones get distortion when making those EQ moves, whereas planar magnetic headphones are much less likely to distort. You also focused predominantly on frequency response (and I agree with your assessment), but soundstage is an important aspect of mixing as well. I think the more expensive headphones (at least the Audeze LCD2 and Hifiman Arya that I've tried) have much better soundstage than my HD650s, and much more similar to a decent speaker setup in a studio (obviously not perfectly, but closer). Just wanted to get a discussion going as I do believe there are other important considerations as well. Cheers man!
sounds stage / imaging isn't particularly important to me personally. EQ just increases thd as you point out. i agree planars can take it better. i just personally don't like eq in my monitoring chain
I use my Sennheiser HD precalibrated by Sound ID with the flat target in linear phase , also with 50 % wet for several reasons. There is still a little boost around 1.2 kHz and 9 kHz. But the result with ( in theory ) it decreases the coloration for a maximum of 1.5 dB from 40Hz. Sound ID, even with precalibration, is not perfect.
@APMastering I've read and watched many reviews on them. They always get compared to the HD6 series. That's why I asked your take on them. If you ever got to try them, I'd like to hear your thoughts on them - maybe a review.
Me, already owning HD650s for like 6 years and using them with great results, seeing the thumbnail: YOU BETTER NOT BE TELLING ME IM WRONG Me, after skipping to the end of the video: We all clear boys nothing to see here
Idk, i got the hd800s and with a little bit of eq nothing more than 2 to 3 db cuts/boosts here and there and these are some of the most neutral sounds cans ive owned. But I have owned a pair of hd600s and cant really say anything bad about it except the adhesive for cushion on the strap coming loose.
Been getting phenomenal mixes on my MDR-7506s and the DT770’s; I’d argue that skill level, experience and understanding referencing makes the difference when it comes to mixing. HD600’s are fine also. It’s not for me but I know guys who have placements mixing on beats headphones.
@APMastering in lay terms, higher impedence is better? I'm just wondering if it's a waste of money to buy 660s and continue using the output stage of say, a focusrite headphone amp? To make the purchase worthwhile and actually optimise the reference, isn't it necessary to buy a decent headphone amp?
I use Beyerdynamic DT 990 250 ohm, but this is very occasional, I prefer my monitors for mixing. For recording and live performances, I use in-ear headphones.
The sony mdr-7506 with a headphone amp are what I've found works best for me, $90 headphone and a $350 tube amp powering them. I have more expensive headphones and the problem is, like he says, there's always some gimmick going on with them that is hyping or cutting something and it's very obvious. With sony mdr-7506 you can just listen to professional mixes and hear what they are supposed to sound like and go from there, those references are your target; you can tell that amazing mixes sound amazing on them; that's all you need. I guess this "professional" engineer doesn't have eyeballs or ears, but look at the HD 600 series on rtings ... all three of the headphones he recommends are well below the target in the lows and all three have a overall rating the same as sony mdr-7506s... WITH the difference being sony mdr-7506 are closer to the target in the lows... HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO... do you actually work in mixing and mastering audio or do you just pretend you do on youtube?
Interesting. Together with a fellow engineer and friend of mine an afternoon of headphone testing got him a couple of favorites, but only one for me. The MM-500 by Audeze which I may or may not ever pick up due to cost. Now I’m curious about the hd660s. I only mix on speakers, but wouldn’t mind a good pair of headphones for extra monitoring. My HD-25 are for field recording, and the super old DT-990 pro for fun stuff like gaming. Thanks for the recommendation.
I agree with you on the HD600s, and I've used them for many many years. So when the HD 490s came out, I brought mine with me for comparison, and ended up preferring the 490s marginally, only for a couple of reasons. But yeah, very much in the family of the 600 series, only slightly different. One difference is that it I felt it went some way in the direction of addressing the weakest aspect of the 600s, the bass. Then, the soundstage seemed slightly wider and less closed in, and there was a little more clarity to the already good mids. Only slightly more expensive but the build quality feels better. The other is that they are more comfortable to wear, but similar family sound that I know. The HD25, I like for tracking and field recording, and they are good DJing or even half-decent headphones for drumming, or listening on the move, but I find them very uncomfortable to wear for long periods. Some headphones, I've had and hated: AKG k702 (where's the bass?), AIAIAI TMA (way too much bass), Grado SR-80 (just weird). Headphones I thought were pretty ok, but only with EQ correction: DT-770 & DT-880.
@APMastering I do think it's worth doing, if only for the comfort, and bass aspects. But, as you say, marketing gimmick abounds. And I think they provide them with two types of surrounds, a 'producer' and 'mixer' set. The producer one seems just to be for fun of big bass. The mixer one brings it back into more sensible/sane HD600 territory. In a way, maybe that isn't such a gimmick, some people will want these just for fun listening, and like that more bombastic bass, I suppose.
any reasonable low impedance amp is fine. hifi enthusiastic will spend 5000€ on a power cable so if you believe there's a difference, there's a difference for you
I had HD600, 650 and 6xx all at the same time. Hated that the pads age so quickly and change the sound for the worse. They're good, almost a keeper, but stock have too much energy in the 2-4 k region, not enough energy after that (I still think there's the famous "Sennheiser veil", even in latest revisions), not enough energy in sub bass and that can't be fixed even with EQ 'cause you will bring up distortion. Also, small driver and spacious pads: a lot of space for the ears to move around and that results in sweesh swoosh comb filtering variations in HF depending on position. That can be good and useful for tailoring the sound to individual HRTF, but you have to remember by touch the ideal position for you to replicate the perfect sound. Sold them all. In the end I settled for a Koss ESP 950. Stock they are meh, but EQed to a personalized Harman curve and with real leather pads (stocks one are a disgrace, like 7506. They come with a luxury real leather bag but cheap trash bag wrapped pads? Why???) they are a keeper in my experience. Bonus: lifetime warranty. Comparing curves I figured out even the HE 1 might need some EQ so... I'm good. No perfect headphones stock, no problem. Also in use: HD25, Etymotic ER4B and ER4SR (EQed), M50x, Denon AH D2000 and E-MU TEAK (very similar, both Fostex projects, both with Dekoni pads) for when I need isolation & practicality.
The Harman curve isn't perfect so using it as a reference isn't ideal. In my experience the HE-1 tuning is better than Harman, when I equalize my Sundaras to match either. Harman has too much bass shelf to be natural. Diffuse field -1dB/Oct is much more in line with how anechoic flat speakers sound in a real room applied to headphones.
@mikafoxx2717 yep, I use It as a base (I wrote personalized) but I also find it has too much bass, especially for in ear, and not enough highs. I also use a tone generator to sweep all across to balance volume and to tailor resonances and nulls In the highs from 4-5 k and up, where there's the most variability from person to person. With a driver so close to the pinnae it's inevitable to have a great variation from person to person. The smaller the driver, the more it approximate point source; the bigger it is, the more it approximate a flat wavefront or a line array.
i don't agree with senn veil, just sounds like propaganda from a competitor. i with with other comment that harman is not holy. glad you got something you like though. worn pads increase bass due to proximity effect
@APMastering well, it lacks 1 or 2 dB of hi shelf IMO (and it's also visible in some measurements), that's the veil for me. It's not a marketing term from competitors, it's an expression born years ago on the head-fi forum and it's been debated a lot so it's in the realm of personal preference, not a 5 or 10 dB deal, not even 3. I can't stand beyer highs, just 2 dB more for the 650 and I'm happy. I also don't consider Harman curve the be all end all, I use it as a base to not EQ from scratch and as a reference when speaking: it's not free field (most beyers), it's not diffuse field (most senns), in the end it's kinda a diffuse field with low shelf. There's a pdf from solderdude with a lot of measurements on the 650 and pad ageing: it gets darker also. It's visible also in the graphs from crinacle.
@APMastering Have you EVER used t hem? They totally lived up to every bit of marketing hype in mine and so many's world.. You say the software is just eq and filters, but it is more akin to guitar modeling, which is far more than eq and filters. and they seemingly spared no expense modeling the rooms represented. They were the best investment I made recently, and t he best investment anyone could make unless they have not only quality monitors, BUT the acoustic treatment that allow those monitors to represent.
Totally agree on the 7506, just a horribly inaccurate pair of headphones. The 600 series are good, the best midrange you can imagine. As they say “if you nailed the midrange you nailed the mix”. Good luck if you mix drum’n’bass and stuff like that though since the low end is rolled off but that’s another story. Great pair anyway. People say the 490pro is incredible for mixing but haven’t tried them yet.
Nice, I've been getting back into producing and mixing and looking for recs. I've been eyeballing the 600 series, including the 6xx, so I guess that's where I'm headed.
I have the Slate VSX Package and use the Linear HD 2 More than the room models. Also been using Harman curve for a couple pair of my headphone which take some getting use too. Gonna have to pick up some HD660S with a good DAC and Amp. What do you think about an external DAC And Amp Combo for Mixing and Mastering?
Focal Clear MG Professional Open-back Reference Studio Headphones weren't among your list. The only other head phones I have been looking at as Luca Pretolesi uses them. I have HD600.
I'm glad you mention the VSX. They have good marketing but the concept of an affordable headphone that can do all those things made me raise my eye brows.
Except for one thing. he misrepresented the technology. It is not just adding EQ and filters blah blah. That is like saying guitar modelers are just adding EQ and filters. The VSX have lived up to every bit of marketing hype they have tossed at me. I got a few grand in monitors collecting dust.
I have the HD650 and the NDH-30, I like them both for different reasons, I think the NDs give me a better sense of depth, I can make better decisions panning and reverb wise, but the frequency response of the HD650 is much better to my ears.
it isn't more important to be used to the monitoring system you have instead of trying to find the flatest one? If you know how good mixes sound in your system that's good enough, right?
@APMastering I find in ear amazing. It takes some time to get used, but then you don't go back. You can start with sth less invasive like the Shure ones, that don't get really deep
I hate mixing on all headphones excepte slate vsx. The modeling of high end mixing rooms usingbinaurial technology is amazing. However you can’t just tr6 them for a day and heard them correctly. It takes a good week of use before your brain learns how to process everyth8ng and it all of a sudden becomes clear. Ther wise I hate mixing on an6 headphones, even the really good 9nes. They all suck.
@APMastering true. But getting used to binaural processing is much different than getting used to new speakers or headphones. It sounds phasey for a long time and then suddenly disappears. The room simulations in vsx are amazing, and relatively flat. I don’t use the headphone simulations at all.
I have 650s and cla 10s active ns 10 knock offs and for the reasons mentioned by this guy. Before this video started ai already knew he will rate these top as if you go though all the correction curves for headphones in sonarworks the 650 have the smallest correction
how do you like the salesman engineer speakers ? i have the gauss 7 from avantone they are excellent, didnt trust CLA he is the Jordan Rudess of mixing endorsing everything lol
I use Bowers & Wilkins P9 Signature (insanely colouring, highly inaccurate) for fun and cheap 6xx in the studio and I still don't understand why anyone would need a headphone that's "middle of the road". You're just getting the worst of both worlds. Also I don't understand the popular beyerdynamic models, they sound like a dog whistle to me in the highs, like it's actually painful. And the ATH50s make my ears sweat within 5 minutes of use.
Been using DT 880 600 Ohm with Sonarworks's EQ curve. They're comfy, but useless (in my opinion) without EQ. I just ordered both the HD600 and HD660S1.
in the age where youtubers are too afraid to lose their "sponsers" by actually giving bad reviews to certain products, I fkin love ur balls for ACTUALLY sayin what is good and bad (with reasons). I love this video and I subbed immediately.
thanks!
@APMastering Carrying the torch for Ethan 🔥
"The more money you spend, the less accurate they are for studio use" ---AMEN!
This^ i have a pyle speaker that comes with a microphone and everything and can be bluetooth or aux and its like the cheapest low quality speaker i have but its been named the "speaker of truth" cause i have the volume marked to stay in the same place forever and i test every mix on it to try and get it as loud as it can without crumbling as alot of my favorite tracks that i use as a reference are right at the point that would start distorting if i turned it up any further. I think everyone needs a cheap mono speaker or atleast learn how to set your device to play mono only so u dont have anything only working cause it panned enough then phase cancel out or just not sound right on mono speaker
Paid course on making your own headphones when?
i think paid courses are great. you can really go into detail and produce a decent product because you are compensated for your time. people who put up loads of free content without getting paid in any way are either ego driven narcissists or hobbyists whos information is certainly not great. no, by far the best is getting info from a pro whos getting financially rewarded for making a good learning product
@APMastering I've experienced work with hobbyists that made my work sound better than pros. The reason was that the hobbyists was 100% in the music style where the pro was more generalist.
DMS already beat AP to the chase with that one >
@APMastering that's quite the broad assumption. I'm sure there are plenty examples in history to prove you wrong.
pro means you do it as your day job not that you specialise on everything. if you sent me a very specific kind of american country album, i'd do it if you wanted me, but i'd tell you up front that's not my speciality. id hope someone absolutely obsessed with country would do a better job than me. but no hobbyists are beating me consistently in techno for example
Watching this video wearing HD600 lol
Bought them 10 years ago, since then broke the cable 3 times, changed worn out ear pads, but the cans themselves sound amazing till this day.
The 600's are basically forever headphones. I keep them despite having fancier ones, because I know they'll last. The Sundara I think are just a little better and flatter and definitely more technical.
I actually agree with this guy's opinion on almost everything he says regarding audio. He records his video with a potato, however, and that really causes my chi to become misaligned. It's also hilarious that he talks about expensive monitors and headphones and records himself speaking with a crappy iPhone microphone. :)
I think that's a microphone he built made to look like an iPhone. 😝
sounds fine though
i totally understand the irony of a mastering engineer with a potato. higher quality video set up coming soon!!
The MEMS devices in most phones now days are fairly high performance compared to the typical electrete mic most would unknowingly use. There are a surprising number of mics out there that, despite the fancy packaging and the lofty performance claims are nothing more than a basic electrete element at the front.
Personally I like that old school UA-cam vibe. Makes it feel more sincere somehow, like from back in the day before sponsors and all that.
Went down a similar rabbit hole myself. Ended up just buying a new set of earpads for my HD600s, happy days
ha ha exactly!
tru
The HD600's aren't perfect, but beyond the light bass, they're quite good when the ear pads aren't worn out. When they are, it's almost like listening to just mids when you compare to a speaker. It's not just mids, but they definitely stick out a lot. My favorite are the Sundara's with the 2020 pad revision for their extra technical performance, decent mids but extended bass and treble. Sounds flatter than the 600's but very slightly less mids ~1.5khz. mild EQ around there and the bass helps a lot and the lie distortion makes it have no effect on technical performance. Most studio headphones are a rip-off though, the 600's are about the best that get recommended for that use, besides maybe the MM-500 but I've never heard that one.
I prefer my LCD-X's to my HD650's by a mile, personally, for mixing - along with sonarworks reference.
New as in from the OEM, or 3rd party? Me personally, I did not like their velours, so I found a fancy fenestrated suede pad that was close to vanilla tuning.
What about the new Sennheiser HD 490 ?
Yeah, he should've checked it out if it passes. Senn markets it as such.
Slate VSX is a different animal, you cannot simply put them on and judge them. It took me about a week for my ears to adapt to them because in the beginning, all I heard was Phase. Like a good room, these also have their own place for learning the soundstage. For me, I never heard anything like these. You feel like the bass is around you and not only in your head.
he missed the point of them. it's not for emulate higher quality headphone that people buy them. it's for crossfade
@@aether3395Never meant to be so cold??
I was a Sennheiser guy for over ten years, but after getting tired of replacing pads every year (especially now that the quality seemed to have dropped), I bought a FiiO FT3 and I haven't looked back. I think any headphones are fair for mixing if you know what you are doing and most importantly, you understand how music translates in it. For me, the biggest mistake of mixing with headphones is not using your headphones. It's so much harder to mix with headphones if you only put them on to mix, or if you use them all the time but you enable a specific software or curve to make them sound "studio ready" when mixing. Usually when I mix with headphones, I'm not looking for accuracy, but for familiarity. I want my mixes to sound like the music I listen to, and that works fine for me.
That makes a lot of sense cheers.
100% agreed. The headphones you're familiar to, as long as they're not crappy 30€ stuff, will do better that high-end material you're not familiar to.
What do you think about the new sennheiser HD 490 pro?
Your recommendation of the Sennheiser HD600 series made me chuckle as dealers here in Canada won't extend the warranty on them as they are highly returned and considered disposable.
I have to be honest, regardless of its relatively cheap quality, the VSX headphones with the software is something different. I don’t even care what it is, but I’m telling you it works for me. 👍🏻👍🏻
glad you get use from it
I didn't think any phones could surpass my HD600 and HD650s but my Audeze MM-500 retired them full stop and I never looked back.
never heard mm500
They not that good ong
Same deal with my Sundara, especially with a little EQ. Much more detail and better tuning in either end, the 600's are quite mid focused which is the most important part to get right, but you can't really judge bass on them or sparkle up top.
I use the MM-500 too. I sent them off to Sonarworks to get them measured, and mainly use the plugin to fix the small left / right imbalance
@@mikafoxx2717 Sundara's are reaaaaaally good for the price.
Not that you need them, but you should try the Avantones Planars, one of the most neutral planar magnetic headphones out there, also not expensive for a planar headphone.
Edit: I have an HD6xx and the Avantone has a similar fequency response, but with all the benefits of the planar driver.
that interests me a lot
thx, will check them out
In the market for the Avantones too, currently on HD650s... Any quality issues with the Planars?
TL/DR there is a reason that the HD600 series have been legendary in the audiophile (at least audiophiles that value accuracy) and recording circles for decades.
Headphones are mostly the thing of personal preference due to the fact that everyone’s ears is unique, but 600 series are really the golden standard for any serious audio work. For me personally, Audeze MM-500 sounded like slightly better and clearer version of HD650, so I mostly switched to them after a while, but still keep 650s for occasional checking.
Audio-Technica ATH-R70X in case you prefer warmer character than Sennheiser offers
Hey, I have no opinion on headphones this was very informative! And I really enjoyed the more laid back presentation, nothing against the “it’s a scam” tone but this style keeps me more engaged! Have a great day!
thanks
Every mix I have made on my JBL LSR305 have been filled with issues, my best mixes have been on my HD600’s it’s a huge difference.
Everyone keep in mind: This is only from perspective of a Mastering engineer. Ultimately one has to really learn their mixing reference, and know where it is hyped or deficient.
PS: oh btw, ANY headphone (except maybe in-ears) will be significantly position-dependent. There again, one needs to learn where it feels consistently like it's sitting right, and sounding the way you recognize.
But i do agree the Sennheisers are nice 👍
Love my 650s and been releasing music around the world since 1995
I don't know if you intended this video to be as funny as I'm finding it. I'm very much enjoying and also laughing
Thank you - I've been waiting for this one. Wish you started uploading a year ago and look forward to what you make next.
love hd600 and jubilee 58x, i don't like the hd650 they make everything sound good. i heard the hifiman sundana nano planar are very good too smh. Returned my neumanns ndh30 as headphones were sounding different everytime you were placing them on your head because of their design was going from very good to muddy if i place them 1 mm in a different position when repositionnng on your head
Ive been mixing with the VSX headphones for a while now and I wouldnt argue with anything you said about them, but there are some other factors worth mentioning.
I agree that the marketing is fairly bs, youre not gonna get the same experience as the montoring setups being emulated and there's no escaping the innate limitations of the headphones themselves. That was my hunch before i bought them, which was confirmed when i tried them out but they still proved useful enough for me to keep using them for the following reasons
1) I was previously mixing between 6 in krks in my very small boxy bedroom and m50x's,
I think for measuring accuracy you would need to have a set of audio listening tasks, like matching an audio signal with an eq version of it, or to drop in a mix of sine waves and slightly distorted version of them in random order to see if you can hear the difference and then give it some points.
yes i like these "prove it then" kinds of tests!!
I love my HD600. It improved my mixings years ago when I bought it.
9:07 Andrew ditched his Sonys for Audeze’s. Edit : I think he spoke on their forum that he mainly uses them for referencing
I was excited about hearing your opinions on headphones, but sitting here with my HD650's, I wonder what I am missing. I often find them making stuff sound too good. Great for casual listening, but I find myself hearing problems later on other cheaper pairs (like gamer headphones, BT headphones, and the like). So I very often feel like I can't trust them. But I guess I just need to learn more and get a better feel of how they translate to consumer gear.
How about Austrian audio Hi-X series? Sound is very clear with low distortion and good dynamic range for studio monitoring on my oppinion.
I use Beyerdynamic DT 1990 Pro with frequency correction (eq) and crossfeed (CanOpener). Works well for me.
Hello, I like your common sense approach. I am dubious about other youtubers who are at an age 70+ who make analyses and recommendations when their hearing may not exceed 7-8 KHz. Still, I think most people do not listen at home to sound pressure levels that are produced in a concert venue. And I think it is important to listen at levels that allow the dynamic range to be appreciated. It seems however, that happens mostly with classical music and jazz but not so much with pop, rock and metal genres which really never are concerned with dynamic range. I bought an AKG K60 headphone around 1970. Not so strong in the low end but seemed to me at the time to be very satisfactory. And, as I recall, there was a lot of advertising for the Sennheiser HD414 but I never tried them. I have prepared/conditioned audio files for announcements on commuter trains and always thinking that clarity of the announcement was important. In that case, frequency response was limited to about 7KHz due to sampling at 16k rates and suitable for that application. Remember CoolEdit2000? and now there is Ocenaudio that can be used to test your own hearing.
The HD560s seem to come pretty close for under half the price. Have you tried those. Great vid! I guessed your pick last week.
I have heard some good reviews for the bass response on the hifiman ananda nano. But never heard them myself
I personally can't stand HD25 for DJing. Uncomfortable, the on-ear design doesn't isolate sound well enough in the booth, and they just feel too flimsy for rough-and-tumble DJ environments. I love the way Sennheisers sound, though, and I really like my HD599 for casual listening when I'm lounging around. Good video, thanks for sharing.
You wanna hear what you mixed on hd600/650, though eqed weird try hd700 to see the instruments and 3d stage.
What do you think of the HD490?
because they are indeed so bright, my original hd800's (not hd800 S) require more EQ than my drop hd6xx, but the 800's do sound better (clearer) once that EQ has been applied.
trouble is, for mixing, good headphones give you way too much information above 5k and below 100 Hz. so you have to filter some of that out to make good mixing choices. as well as use some kind of crossfeed algorithm to help give you some phantom center slash de-exaggerate the stereo width (as compared with speakers, and this applies to all headphones).
scheps is a mixer so i assume this is behind his headphone choice. bad headphones --> good mix. i imagine this is also part of what makes NS-10's good mixing speakers (aside from the excellent time domain performance). focuses your attention on the midrange.
the difference i heard btwn 6xx/600 and 800: the treble seemed crispier/more distorted on the hd6xx/600 and the stereo image is very exaggerated on the 800. the 800 is also brighter, as stated. for a while i didn't feel the 800 was worth the extra money, but i am glad i have them and rarely use the 6xx that i bought more for watching TV
I've got a pair of HD 595 downstairs, are they gonna be better than the MDR-7506 that I'm currently using? 595 seems awfully close to 600 :)
I was wondering: A closed box speaker is a resonator. In the headphones world to avoid having a resonant chamber you then go to open backs. Then why open baffle speakers are not used in studios?
@@Ricochetmex speakers are filled with fibreglass or similar material so they're not a resonator. The lower frequencies act mainly as a spring resisting the cone due to the box being magnitudes smaller than a wavelength. Ported speakers aren't as good as sealed ones due to faster bass falloff but also time domain issues. The port only stays working on the second wave so it'll smudge kicks at least and square waves get weird.
also there are open baffle speakers but they suck because room reflections. open backs are quiet so don't suffer the same issue
Do the 6xx fit into this category as well?
Would love to hear your take on Ollo Audio SX-series. I imagine they would be on par with HD-series
Thanks for your video! have you tried the Hifiman Ananda Nano? (with Harman Curve) ? - i think they have quite amount of accuracy than Sennheiser 600 series - i have those too and the Sennheiser 490pro... ;) all the best!
I have some Beyer Dynamic DT-880s I've had since the 1980s. I have no idea how accurate they are but I do know that when I have used them for mixing I can trust them. I use other headphones for casual listening because they sound nicer, but the DT-880s never make anything sound special that isn't.
Knowing your monitoring well is more useful than having absolutely flat monitoring, IMO.
Sticking with exactly same model through your career is the best headphone decision because your brain will know how every amazing music sounds and every bit of future music you listen to should sound.
Hey man, love the video. Just one question for you: what are your thoughts on EQ'ing afterwards? I personally love the Harman curve (I know it's not necessary) and I find that dynamic headphones get distortion when making those EQ moves, whereas planar magnetic headphones are much less likely to distort. You also focused predominantly on frequency response (and I agree with your assessment), but soundstage is an important aspect of mixing as well. I think the more expensive headphones (at least the Audeze LCD2 and Hifiman Arya that I've tried) have much better soundstage than my HD650s, and much more similar to a decent speaker setup in a studio (obviously not perfectly, but closer). Just wanted to get a discussion going as I do believe there are other important considerations as well. Cheers man!
sounds stage / imaging isn't particularly important to me personally. EQ just increases thd as you point out. i agree planars can take it better. i just personally don't like eq in my monitoring chain
I use Ollo S4X I find them great for mixing vocals. Would love to know your opinion on them.
What has your experience with the Etymotic in ears been, like an ER4 or ER4SR?
Do you think there’s significant benefit for the 660s vs 600? Or more a matter of taste at that point?
they are both great
I use my Sennheiser HD precalibrated by Sound ID with the flat target in linear phase , also with 50 % wet for several reasons. There is still a little boost around 1.2 kHz and 9 kHz. But the result with ( in theory ) it decreases the coloration for a maximum of 1.5 dB from 40Hz. Sound ID, even with precalibration, is not perfect.
Linear phase shouldn't be used for headphones correction in general, but maybe it works in your case in this specific setting
The HD600 is my long time favorite. Recently added the Dan Clark E3 and it's a vented closed back it works great as studio headphones.
Daaaang Dan Clarks? You bossin out bro
@@j-station Had to sell my XRP coins 😉
@@martijn_thatsme Been eying the DC Expanse for a year or more now
The expanse is dogshit
@@CammyFi Is it really? How come? You got try a pair? Seems like it would be great. Tell me more please!
In the beginning of the video, I spotted Aune AR5000. How do you find it for studio use compared to HD6 series?
that's not my living room, it's a showroom and i didn't listen to everything there including those
@APMastering I've read and watched many reviews on them. They always get compared to the HD6 series. That's why I asked your take on them. If you ever got to try them, I'd like to hear your thoughts on them - maybe a review.
Me, already owning HD650s for like 6 years and using them with great results, seeing the thumbnail:
YOU BETTER NOT BE TELLING ME IM WRONG
Me, after skipping to the end of the video:
We all clear boys nothing to see here
Also, open back headphones are better for mixing than closed.
Idk, i got the hd800s and with a little bit of eq nothing more than 2 to 3 db cuts/boosts here and there and these are some of the most neutral sounds cans ive owned. But I have owned a pair of hd600s and cant really say anything bad about it except the adhesive for cushion on the strap coming loose.
i prefer no eq not i agree 800s are good with eq
Every mix I have made on my JBL LSR305 have been filled with issues, my best mixes have been on my HD600’s its a huge difference.
Been getting phenomenal mixes on my MDR-7506s and the DT770’s; I’d argue that skill level, experience and understanding referencing makes the difference when it comes to mixing. HD600’s are fine also. It’s not for me but I know guys who have placements mixing on beats headphones.
Been waiting for this
I'm thinking to go with the HD 490 Pro instead.
i will try these at some point but they don't seem to look better at least on the chart
'I purchased all of these bad headphones myself so I can shame them each morning when I rise... Shame on you! Shame on you!'
Is it not worth mentioning headphones in relation to a headphone amp and its output power? Not being snarky. Just interested in your opinion
no, any decent amp will do. The main factor in amps is output impedance IMHO.
@APMastering in lay terms, higher impedence is better? I'm just wondering if it's a waste of money to buy 660s and continue using the output stage of say, a focusrite headphone amp? To make the purchase worthwhile and actually optimise the reference, isn't it necessary to buy a decent headphone amp?
I use Beyerdynamic DT 990 250 ohm, but this is very occasional, I prefer my monitors for mixing.
For recording and live performances, I use in-ear headphones.
So then what are your thoughts on the 6xx?
The sony mdr-7506 with a headphone amp are what I've found works best for me, $90 headphone and a $350 tube amp powering them. I have more expensive headphones and the problem is, like he says, there's always some gimmick going on with them that is hyping or cutting something and it's very obvious. With sony mdr-7506 you can just listen to professional mixes and hear what they are supposed to sound like and go from there, those references are your target; you can tell that amazing mixes sound amazing on them; that's all you need. I guess this "professional" engineer doesn't have eyeballs or ears, but look at the HD 600 series on rtings ... all three of the headphones he recommends are well below the target in the lows and all three have a overall rating the same as sony mdr-7506s... WITH the difference being sony mdr-7506 are closer to the target in the lows... HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO... do you actually work in mixing and mastering audio or do you just pretend you do on youtube?
Have you tried the OLLO audio S4x? Been very happy with mine over the years and their customer service is excellent 👌 Great channel btw 👍
I've got a pair of Sundara, now I'm curious how they are supposed to sound compared to the HE560.
the he560 is better but i returned it anyway
The sundara resonates
Interesting. Together with a fellow engineer and friend of mine an afternoon of headphone testing got him a couple of favorites, but only one for me. The MM-500 by Audeze which I may or may not ever pick up due to cost. Now I’m curious about the hd660s. I only mix on speakers, but wouldn’t mind a good pair of headphones for extra monitoring. My HD-25 are for field recording, and the super old DT-990 pro for fun stuff like gaming. Thanks for the recommendation.
I agree with you on the HD600s, and I've used them for many many years. So when the HD 490s came out, I brought mine with me for comparison, and ended up preferring the 490s marginally, only for a couple of reasons. But yeah, very much in the family of the 600 series, only slightly different. One difference is that it I felt it went some way in the direction of addressing the weakest aspect of the 600s, the bass. Then, the soundstage seemed slightly wider and less closed in, and there was a little more clarity to the already good mids. Only slightly more expensive but the build quality feels better. The other is that they are more comfortable to wear, but similar family sound that I know. The HD25, I like for tracking and field recording, and they are good DJing or even half-decent headphones for drumming, or listening on the move, but I find them very uncomfortable to wear for long periods. Some headphones, I've had and hated: AKG k702 (where's the bass?), AIAIAI TMA (way too much bass), Grado SR-80 (just weird). Headphones I thought were pretty ok, but only with EQ correction: DT-770 & DT-880.
i need to try the new sennheisers
@APMastering I do think it's worth doing, if only for the comfort, and bass aspects. But, as you say, marketing gimmick abounds. And I think they provide them with two types of surrounds, a 'producer' and 'mixer' set. The producer one seems just to be for fun of big bass. The mixer one brings it back into more sensible/sane HD600 territory. In a way, maybe that isn't such a gimmick, some people will want these just for fun listening, and like that more bombastic bass, I suppose.
HD600 and HD-25, they are my best purchases ever made. Both are absolutely legendary for what they are made for.
exactly
Next video, ''did you know oxygen is bad for you, try this instead'' lol...
too much will kill you
What about headphone amps ? I really have no idea if it would make sense to get some. Maybe you could en lighten me
any reasonable low impedance amp is fine. hifi enthusiastic will spend 5000€ on a power cable so if you believe there's a difference, there's a difference for you
@APMastering that's a new video I'd like to see right there...
I had HD600, 650 and 6xx all at the same time. Hated that the pads age so quickly and change the sound for the worse. They're good, almost a keeper, but stock have too much energy in the 2-4 k region, not enough energy after that (I still think there's the famous "Sennheiser veil", even in latest revisions), not enough energy in sub bass and that can't be fixed even with EQ 'cause you will bring up distortion. Also, small driver and spacious pads: a lot of space for the ears to move around and that results in sweesh swoosh comb filtering variations in HF depending on position. That can be good and useful for tailoring the sound to individual HRTF, but you have to remember by touch the ideal position for you to replicate the perfect sound. Sold them all.
In the end I settled for a Koss ESP 950. Stock they are meh, but EQed to a personalized Harman curve and with real leather pads (stocks one are a disgrace, like 7506. They come with a luxury real leather bag but cheap trash bag wrapped pads? Why???) they are a keeper in my experience. Bonus: lifetime warranty. Comparing curves I figured out even the HE 1 might need some EQ so... I'm good. No perfect headphones stock, no problem.
Also in use: HD25, Etymotic ER4B and ER4SR (EQed), M50x, Denon AH D2000 and E-MU TEAK (very similar, both Fostex projects, both with Dekoni pads) for when I need isolation & practicality.
The Harman curve isn't perfect so using it as a reference isn't ideal. In my experience the HE-1 tuning is better than Harman, when I equalize my Sundaras to match either. Harman has too much bass shelf to be natural. Diffuse field -1dB/Oct is much more in line with how anechoic flat speakers sound in a real room applied to headphones.
@mikafoxx2717 yep, I use It as a base (I wrote personalized) but I also find it has too much bass, especially for in ear, and not enough highs. I also use a tone generator to sweep all across to balance volume and to tailor resonances and nulls In the highs from 4-5 k and up, where there's the most variability from person to person. With a driver so close to the pinnae it's inevitable to have a great variation from person to person. The smaller the driver, the more it approximate point source; the bigger it is, the more it approximate a flat wavefront or a line array.
i don't agree with senn veil, just sounds like propaganda from a competitor. i with with other comment that harman is not holy. glad you got something you like though. worn pads increase bass due to proximity effect
@APMastering well, it lacks 1 or 2 dB of hi shelf IMO (and it's also visible in some measurements), that's the veil for me. It's not a marketing term from competitors, it's an expression born years ago on the head-fi forum and it's been debated a lot so it's in the realm of personal preference, not a 5 or 10 dB deal, not even 3. I can't stand beyer highs, just 2 dB more for the 650 and I'm happy.
I also don't consider Harman curve the be all end all, I use it as a base to not EQ from scratch and as a reference when speaking: it's not free field (most beyers), it's not diffuse field (most senns), in the end it's kinda a diffuse field with low shelf.
There's a pdf from solderdude with a lot of measurements on the 650 and pad ageing: it gets darker also. It's visible also in the graphs from crinacle.
Which amp would you recommend?
if you have a mac just use the headphone jack
So are the Slate VSX cans rubbish then?
maybe not exactly "rubbish" but marketing hype. i'd not use them personally
@APMastering Have you EVER used t hem? They totally lived up to every bit of marketing hype in mine and so many's world.. You say the software is just eq and filters, but it is more akin to guitar modeling, which is far more than eq and filters. and they seemingly spared no expense modeling the rooms represented. They were the best investment I made recently, and t he best investment anyone could make unless they have not only quality monitors, BUT the acoustic treatment that allow those monitors to represent.
Would you recommend the HD-6XX’s ad well?
haven't heard them but iirc they are a 650
All Sennheisers I had myself or bought for people broke at the same spot - the headbacnd bear the earcup. Do they last more nowdays?
i've never broke a pair and i've had many pairs over the years
I have a 30 year old pair that are fine
Totally agree on the 7506, just a horribly inaccurate pair of headphones. The 600 series are good, the best midrange you can imagine. As they say “if you nailed the midrange you nailed the mix”. Good luck if you mix drum’n’bass and stuff like that though since the low end is rolled off but that’s another story. Great pair anyway. People say the 490pro is incredible for mixing but haven’t tried them yet.
Nice, I've been getting back into producing and mixing and looking for recs. I've been eyeballing the 600 series, including the 6xx, so I guess that's where I'm headed.
I have the Slate VSX Package and use the Linear HD 2 More than the room models. Also been using Harman curve for a couple pair of my headphone which take some getting use too. Gonna have to pick up some HD660S with a good DAC and Amp. What do you think about an external DAC And Amp Combo for Mixing and Mastering?
if you have a mac use the in built headphone port
@APMastering Yes, I've got a Mac and will give it a shot. Should be interesting... I guess that makes sense because it's a direct output. Thanks You.
A friend got the lcd 5 with a low Q eq it sounds very neutral and the bass is more felt because of them huge driver
lcd series has incredible bass
@APMastering with a decent amp its like having subs strap to your head lmao.
Focal Clear MG Professional Open-back Reference Studio Headphones weren't among your list. The only other head phones I have been looking at as Luca Pretolesi uses them. I have HD600.
VSX chills incoming in 3, 2, 1...
More seriously, what do you think of the Beyerdynamic DT 700 PRO X for producing / mixing ?
can't remember if i've heard it. never heard anything actuate from them
I have the massdrop version of the sennheiser HD 650’s. Hope that counts lol. I’ll be getting the HD 660s soon tho. Thx 🙏
If you already have the HD650, you don't need the 660s.
@@CammyFi appreciate that. I’m assuming the quality of the massdrop version doesn’t make a difference then?
Okay, but what if you work with bass heavy genres? Everyone says that HD600s has weak bass.
it does but you get used to it
Watched the whole video aaannd already wearing 600's. lol
I'm glad you mention the VSX. They have good marketing but the concept of an affordable headphone that can do all those things made me raise my eye brows.
Except for one thing. he misrepresented the technology. It is not just adding EQ and filters blah blah. That is like saying guitar modelers are just adding EQ and filters. The VSX have lived up to every bit of marketing hype they have tossed at me. I got a few grand in monitors collecting dust.
Sir, what do you think about SoundID Ref that can help reach flattest possible freq response with your current headphones? Is it any good?
probably snake oil
I have the HD650 and the NDH-30, I like them both for different reasons, I think the NDs give me a better sense of depth, I can make better decisions panning and reverb wise, but the frequency response of the HD650 is much better to my ears.
don't know the second one
dude, you are doing a great job and i admire you only for effort alone! god bless you and your work.
Totally agree. Have not hear all the hp s you have. But some off them. Still use my hd600. Love the translation Iin the real world.
it isn't more important to be used to the monitoring system you have instead of trying to find the flatest one? If you know how good mixes sound in your system that's good enough, right?
Listening to audeze mm500 feels like being in a studio, way better than hd600
Specially for bass but not only
What about big sealed speakers that have cardioid bass like Kii There... 😊
how cardioid is 40hz in room?
@APMastering not at all.
What about in ear? Like Etymotic
not tried those specifically but never heard good in ears
@APMastering I find in ear amazing. It takes some time to get used, but then you don't go back. You can start with sth less invasive like the Shure ones, that don't get really deep
I hate mixing on all headphones excepte slate vsx. The modeling of high end mixing rooms usingbinaurial technology is amazing. However you can’t just tr6 them for a day and heard them correctly. It takes a good week of use before your brain learns how to process everyth8ng and it all of a sudden becomes clear. Ther wise I hate mixing on an6 headphones, even the really good 9nes. They all suck.
using anything for a solid week will get you familiar enough with them to mix
@APMastering true. But getting used to binaural processing is much different than getting used to new speakers or headphones. It sounds phasey for a long time and then suddenly disappears. The room simulations in vsx are amazing, and relatively flat. I don’t use the headphone simulations at all.
I have 650s and cla 10s active ns 10 knock offs and for the reasons mentioned by this guy. Before this video started ai already knew he will rate these top as if you go though all the correction curves for headphones in sonarworks the 650 have the smallest correction
good point. although not hard evidence they are the best, it's a very interesting observation
how do you like the salesman engineer speakers ? i have the gauss 7 from avantone they are excellent, didnt trust CLA he is the Jordan Rudess of mixing endorsing everything lol
have you tried olio audio?
i've heard recommendations but have not tired
Where do I find the frequency response graphs from 9:29 ?
there's a few different sites
i wouldn't trust any tbh
I use Bowers & Wilkins P9 Signature (insanely colouring, highly inaccurate) for fun and cheap 6xx in the studio and I still don't understand why anyone would need a headphone that's "middle of the road".
You're just getting the worst of both worlds.
Also I don't understand the popular beyerdynamic models, they sound like a dog whistle to me in the highs, like it's actually painful.
And the ATH50s make my ears sweat within 5 minutes of use.
Been using DT 880 600 Ohm with Sonarworks's EQ curve. They're comfy, but useless (in my opinion) without EQ. I just ordered both the HD600 and HD660S1.
check them out and let me know which you prefer! i really don't think you need both though, unless you want two pairs
Sometime I get the feeling that Andrew Scheps is engaging in some light and not necessarily bad intentioned trolling.
lol not sure, he's pretty honest and transparent