You can try the acetone test If you have a can of acetone simply soak a rag or cotton ball and rub an area where you think oil paint might be present. If the paint softens or comes off on the rag it's latex if it stays hard and nothing happens it's oil based paint.
I just purchased an old home and all the trim is a really shiny white, with very noticeable brush strokes in it. I’d prefer to avoid sanding and priming, if possible, so I’d like to use the same kind of paint. But how do I tell if it is oil, enamel, acrylic or something else? Thank you for your help!
If I just bought a 20 year old house with unknown paints and primers, would you recommend we use oil based primer on ALL SURFACES? Ceilings, window/door trim, walls. No testing or anything - Just kilz the whole house first (using the low odor oil based kilz)
Regular satin latex over ProClassic latex enamel semi-gloss (green gallon)?? I forgot to sand 😢 I already did 1st light coat, sanded, then 2 more coats
yeah, yeah, yeah.... but that oil based pro classic is super tough, best things I have used for cabinets, I don't even mess around with the water enamels.
Thank you for this video! I was planning to use semigloss wall paint for my trim and doors, but my painter insists that I need to use enamel paint. This video helped me to understand why.
Need some help gentlemen. I'm painting a 1950s home. I noticed bubbling in a lot of areas. After the paint dried, I tried to repair some of these bubbled areas add noticed several layers of paint has delaminated from the drywall. Is there any paint out there that will help from this delamination from occurring?
Same thing happened to me. I was helping my folks with their 50s era rental home they just bought and after painting the living room, most of the paint was delaminated after drying. I discovered that there are many factors on why it happens, from the climate, to the types of prior paint is on the walls. The specific problem for us was that we were putting a new paint coating over multiple existing layers. We thought that the previous owners already stripped the wall because the previous owner's children said that they remodeled 15 years ago with modern latex paint. We thought that they stripped the walls first, naturally. The living room we were painting was probably painted 4-5 times over its life and we assumed that the previous owner did great work stripping all those layers. But when it delaminated, we contacted the prior owner's family and they said that they cant be 100% sure how the living room paint was done because the actual owner is now deceased. We had to sand down the wall and it turns out that they didn't do a good job because we found the motherlode of oil -based paints behind the previous owner's paint job. Long story short- we think the previous owners painted with an acrylic enamel paint over a half-stripped wall. Hence the delamination. Latex paint wasnt going to stick correctly. We had to use an epoxy before adding a new layer of paint. Problem solved. The weird part was that the house had some walls as drywall and some walls were plaster. That particular house was one of the last houses to use plaster walls back when it was being built in the 50s. What a cluster-F.
The previous owners of our house painted latex paint over oil on all the trim (doors, windows, baseboards, crown moulding, etc). Would you be able to peel off any loose bits and then seal with a shellac primer like BIN and then paint a urethane or water based over that? Or is our only option to strip allllll of the trim?
What primer to use for oil based paint over oil based paint? I am painting now with oil based and it needs 3 coats which is tiring. I bought 5 gallon oil paint can without knowing all these.
Was oil based paint commonly used on homes in the 60's ? I live in Florida and have a home built in the 60's, cinder block build, with wood fascia. Roofers replaced some of the fascia and the old fascia has previously applied paint. New fascia has not been painted, and I'm wondering if I have to strip the old paint then prime, and then paint it?
quick question. I use my emerald urethane primer and I use the pro classic enamel on my cabinets but do I have to add a clear top coat as extra layer? Is the enamel in the pro classic enough to help make my kitchen cabinets more scuff/chip resistant? please let me know. thanks
Yes huge difference between oil based enamels and water based. We have a whole paint talk diving more into this topic about enamels. There’s a huge difference in uv resistance, hardness, scratch resistance and much more. It’s why getting a free quote from our pros is always a good idea
Yes!!!! oil primer is best... latex primers work well too with proper prep.. besides sanding thoroughly... #150 sandpaper... TSP is to me.. very important... its an acid... it cleans/eches the work... which helps bonding Big Time!!! use real TSP... and rinse... rinse... and rinse... Your good to go!!!
Hey Travis, no that won’t work. Paint and primer in one doesn’t mean anything it’s a marketing tactic. For going over oil based paint you have to use oil based primer than you can use water based paint.
Is paint labeled "exterior" usually an enamel paint? Or do you have to specify you want enamel paint? Also, does enamel actually adhere stronger as compared to water or oil based paints?
Can those paints (except for wall paint) be used to paint appliances, such as fridge? By any chance, do you have any videos about acrylic paints? p.s. thanks guys, great explanation overall!
Prime it with extreme bond primer first, then you can use the latex Proclassic or an even better product would be the Emerald urethane trim enamel not showcased in the video
So I can use oil based primer on my exterior and paint it with latex paint? Without sanding the primer? I’ve already painted the front of my house before being told I couldn’t do this by my co-workers. I haunted UA-cam and I’m getting different answers on it.
I came here to learn as much as I can about paint and I love your video. I’m having issue understanding the difference between acrylic enamel paint vs urethane enamel. Maybe topic for an upcoming video
I just painted 3600 feet of trim and the man had latex paint and blamed me for it looking like crap. Every board looked perfect then dried all messed up.
People get confused because there are 2 types of emerald paints. One is this, and the other is the urethane enamel trim paint. I like the emerald enamel trim paint.
I would not use any of these products on cabinetry. None of them are KCMA certified and any professional contractor worth his weight in this field would know what that certification means. Precat lacquer, 1k or 2k polys or conversion varnishes are the industry standard for finishes on cabinets and furniture. These products in the vid are good for walls, trim and doors ONLY. Use Sherwin Williams Sherwood Kem Aqua Plus or Gallery Series for water base or use CAB lacquer, precat lacquer or conversion varnish for solvent based products for cabinets. They are all KCMA certified products.
I painted all my trim and doors with Zinsser Cover Stain oil primer and then top coated with Sherwin Williams Super Paint semi gloss and it seems to have held up well over the last few months. I was told the oil primer would allow it to be much more durable, fingers crossed that holds true.
@@That1Painter I was gonna go that route but neither had been in stock for weeks at the local Sherwin Williams store. Sorta wish I would had went with Behr enamel paint but not sure how well their stuff is.
It's not confusing at all. However, your information is disorganized, rambling, and not cohesive. Also an excessively long video. Get to the point. Cut out the banter and small talk. Give us the facts in 2 mins straight. Like this: 3 types of paint: Acrylic (Latex) wall paint, water based. Enamel (source unknown) water based for trim Enamel Oil based, for trim. Primer - Acrylic water based. Can take any paint over it. Primer - Enamel oil based. Can take any paint over it. In fact, when I painted my RV walls, I used Oil based Primer Kilz and then roller brushed latex (acrylic) paint and it held up very well. Walls were 1/8 luan with vinyl wallpaper. I sanded the wall paper then primed and painted. In this case, the oil based primer was better than the water based primer due to plastic walls. No I could not remove the plastic wallpaper as it had structural value..
hate that when you turn up and the customer has got the paint and know nothing about painting they think they do cause they say they have painted the odd room here and there and think they know better than you i just walk away when they start telling me how to do my job just makes the job awkward especially when your charging by the hour and you start doing prep work and there like why dont you just start painting like they think your trying to rip them off just insulting.
Good vid and you hit upon a important point that others don`t expand on and its a biggggggeeeee ! oil primer and water based primer and the RULES ARE DIFFERENT! that just confuses the crap out of people! its a huge mistake i made and i followed advice from a big box store and primed with a wtaer based primer over multipal layers of other paints on our kitchen cabinets.It came right off! So why don`t paint companies just make oil based primers and leave it at that! ?????? no more fixes that way . Or maybe you guys should make a vid only about primers.And slow it down just a tad so we can take it in good n clear! Thanks so much for all your info!......Durrr just seen your vid Specialty primers!
I won't use anything but emerald trim by sherwin williams or advance by benjamin moore on trim and doors or any kind of woodwork. These two paints are life changers in the paint world! I absolutely loved oil based paint but unfortunately liberals have ruined the ability to easily get it and in a few years you won't see it at all! Same with the ability to buy a new washing machine that actually cleans your clothes or a shower head that gives you enough water flo to take a proper shower without modifying it! They basically ruin everything they touch!
I wish I could say I loved the Emerald Urethane. I found that it flashed way too fast and thus did not lay out well. I do think it laid out slightly more 2-3 days after application if you can believe it. Nonetheless, still not impressed - nothing like a good oil. Secondly, it’s soft. Not nearly as soft as an acrylic latex but not like Breakthrough or Advance. Lastly, I hated the smell. Rubber bands galore!
Pro painter here. With all due respect you have it backwards… You can put acrylic or hybrids on top of properly prepped existing oil enamel. Not oil over acrylic.Big distinction.
Properly prepped in both directions. But it is absolutely more risky to put acrylic over oil and a mistake we see painters make all the time. To anyone reading this DO NOT PUT ACRYLIC OVER OIL WITH OUT SANDING AND PRIMING FIRST!
I have semigloss latex on trim now. Do I need to degloss if I apply emerald trim urethane
I came here to learn about paint...but I just wanted to say that I absolutely love your logo. Mad props to the designer.
ahhh shucks thanks we love it too! we used 99designs
I love oil thanks guys about to paint with that
Can you all do a paint test on different materials for each and prime/paint how many layers? Please!!
You can try the acetone test
If you have a can of acetone simply soak a rag or cotton ball and rub an area where you think oil paint might be present. If the paint softens or comes off on the rag it's latex if it stays hard and nothing happens it's oil based paint.
I just purchased an old home and all the trim is a really shiny white, with very noticeable brush strokes in it. I’d prefer to avoid sanding and priming, if possible, so I’d like to use the same kind of paint. But how do I tell if it is oil, enamel, acrylic or something else? Thank you for your help!
Coronado Rust Scat Acrylic Enamel worked with no issues on old oil based painted doors and trim. Second day couldn’t scratch it off
If I just bought a 20 year old house with unknown paints and primers, would you recommend we use oil based primer on ALL SURFACES? Ceilings, window/door trim, walls. No testing or anything - Just kilz the whole house first (using the low odor oil based kilz)
Can you put water on top of Acrylic latex?
Regular satin latex over ProClassic latex enamel semi-gloss (green gallon)?? I forgot to sand 😢 I already did 1st light coat, sanded, then 2 more coats
yeah, yeah, yeah.... but that oil based pro classic is super tough, best things I have used for cabinets, I don't even mess around with the water enamels.
Thanks for the tips!
I have satin walls. Now. Repainting with satin. Do I need to sand and sand between coats. If so how do I get the dust off ?
Had a company paint my house and they painted Water over oil and now it all peeling. Should I ask for a refund or what?
yes
I don't know how we keep track of this stuff.... I try but it's difficult
Thank you for this video! I was planning to use semigloss wall paint for my trim and doors, but my painter insists that I need to use enamel paint. This video helped me to understand why.
Update: Enamel was for sure the way to go. Glossy and durable.
Is that pro classic just acrylic latex or does it contain oil?
I would like to see the video on the urethane products. My test to see if it’s oil is by sanding the trim, if it’s fine dust it’s oil. Thanks
That works too!
Hi, great video! Thank you! Do you need to do any prep or sand before putting oil based primer over oil?
Yes you still need to lightly sand and clean the surface.
Can I add linseed oil OR turpentine to an oil based enamel to improve coverage and durability to old window and door trim on the outside of my house?
Need some help gentlemen. I'm painting a 1950s home. I noticed bubbling in a lot of areas. After the paint dried, I tried to repair some of these bubbled areas add noticed several layers of paint has delaminated from the drywall. Is there any paint out there that will help from this delamination from occurring?
Same thing happened to me. I was helping my folks with their 50s era rental home they just bought and after painting the living room, most of the paint was delaminated after drying. I discovered that there are many factors on why it happens, from the climate, to the types of prior paint is on the walls.
The specific problem for us was that we were putting a new paint coating over multiple existing layers. We thought that the previous owners already stripped the wall because the previous owner's children said that they remodeled 15 years ago with modern latex paint. We thought that they stripped the walls first, naturally.
The living room we were painting was probably painted 4-5 times over its life and we assumed that the previous owner did great work stripping all those layers. But when it delaminated, we contacted the prior owner's family and they said that they cant be 100% sure how the living room paint was done because the actual owner is now deceased.
We had to sand down the wall and it turns out that they didn't do a good job because we found the motherlode of oil -based paints behind the previous owner's paint job.
Long story short- we think the previous owners painted with an acrylic enamel paint over a half-stripped wall. Hence the delamination. Latex paint wasnt going to stick correctly. We had to use an epoxy before adding a new layer of paint. Problem solved.
The weird part was that the house had some walls as drywall and some walls were plaster. That particular house was one of the last houses to use plaster walls back when it was being built in the 50s. What a cluster-F.
Thank you for the clear explanation ❤
The previous owners of our house painted latex paint over oil on all the trim (doors, windows, baseboards, crown moulding, etc). Would you be able to peel off any loose bits and then seal with a shellac primer like BIN and then paint a urethane or water based over that? Or is our only option to strip allllll of the trim?
We would recommend, oil primer then urethane paint on top.
Thank you guys. this is very useful and helpful.
Our pleasure!
You guys are cool man. Good info. Great video. 🤙🎈 Looking forward to more. ✌
Thank you! You are awesome! Thanks for watching!
When in doubt, Shellac it out!! 💯💯💯💯😎😎😎
True
What primer to use for oil based paint over oil based paint? I am painting now with oil based and it needs 3 coats which is tiring. I bought 5 gallon oil paint can without knowing all these.
zinzer cover stain
great video guys , Im painting my cabinets im going to have prime and paint can you recommend a primer and paint for a factory look satin
Thanx
Zinsser Cover Stain
Or
Extreme Block from S-W
Best paint for doors?
Was oil based paint commonly used on homes in the 60's ? I live in Florida and have a home built in the 60's, cinder block build, with wood fascia. Roofers replaced some of the fascia and the old fascia has previously applied paint. New fascia has not been painted, and I'm wondering if I have to strip the old paint then prime, and then paint it?
In the 60s yes a lot of the paint was oil based, probably even the majority.
What kind of primer do you use for enamel paint?
depends on the surface
Very clear video fantastic job fellas!
Thank you!
Good advice thanks guys.
Put primer over the oil base then paint with water base over it yes?
yes that will work.
quick question. I use my emerald urethane primer and I use the pro classic enamel on my cabinets but do I have to add a clear top coat as extra layer? Is the enamel in the pro classic enough to help make my kitchen cabinets more scuff/chip resistant? please let me know. thanks
No clear coat is needed with a good enamel paint like pro classic or emerald urethane!
@@That1Painter thank you
@@That1Painter IMO Sherwin Pro Industrial WB Alk Eurothane is superior to the Emerald, slightly more flowabilty and smoother finish! 😎
Midium to mix enamel.. please
Hello! I was curious if there is any huge difference between a water based enamel and an oil enriched enamel?
Yes huge difference between oil based enamels and water based. We have a whole paint talk diving more into this topic about enamels. There’s a huge difference in uv resistance, hardness, scratch resistance and much more. It’s why getting a free quote from our pros is always a good idea
can you sand off the gloss from oil based paint, prime and the use latex ?
Yes!!!! oil primer is best... latex primers work well too with proper prep.. besides sanding
thoroughly... #150 sandpaper... TSP is to me.. very important... its an acid... it cleans/eches the work... which helps bonding Big Time!!! use real TSP... and rinse... rinse... and rinse... Your good to go!!!
Yes but we recommend oil primer then latex paint after
What’s the science behind oil over logic and
Could you take a water based paint+primer combo and put it on top of oil based paint or do you have to lay down the primer separate?
Stupid confusing
Hey Travis, no that won’t work. Paint and primer in one doesn’t mean anything it’s a marketing tactic. For going over oil based paint you have to use oil based primer than you can use water based paint.
Is paint labeled "exterior" usually an enamel paint? Or do you have to specify you want enamel paint? Also, does enamel actually adhere stronger as compared to water or oil based paints?
Exterior is not automatically enamel. Enamel is not just about adhesion it’s about the hardness and durability when it dries.
I learned so much from this video. Thanks guys
Thank you!!
Great great great video, you guys understand it so we can too.
Great video I have a weber grill that is porcelain enamel coated black I want to paint if red can it be done if so how ? all suggestions are welcome
Sherwin Willaims has a spray paint called Pot Belly that is great for this type of situation
Should I just throw out my oil based paint?
So oil is not more flexible and therefore more suitable for painting on wood or fabrics than enamel?
Oil based is a type of enamel and so are these new urethane paints. But yes enamels are better for wood trim, but bad for siding or drywall.
Can I use enamel on walls to get a high gloss lacquered finish?
Technically you can. Either that or all surface enamel at sherwin Williams
Yes but we don’t
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Can those paints (except for wall paint) be used to paint appliances, such as fridge? By any chance, do you have any videos about acrylic paints?
p.s. thanks guys, great explanation overall!
Prime it with extreme bond primer first, then you can use the latex Proclassic or an even better product would be the Emerald urethane trim enamel not showcased in the video
No these can not be used for appliances. SW does make a appliance product tho. Ask a local S-W rep and they will help you out.
thank you!
6:06 Acetone for testing which your existing paint is.
So I can use oil based primer on my exterior and paint it with latex paint? Without sanding the primer? I’ve already painted the front of my house before being told I couldn’t do this by my co-workers. I haunted UA-cam and I’m getting different answers on it.
Yes you can!
Good info, thanks.
Thank you!
I came here to learn as much as I can about paint and I love your video. I’m having issue understanding the difference between acrylic enamel paint vs urethane enamel. Maybe topic for an upcoming video
I just painted 3600 feet of trim and the man had latex paint and blamed me for it looking like crap. Every board looked perfect then dried all messed up.
Sometimes you gotta know when to walk away. "The customer always right" No not always a lot of time not at all. Lol.
Really great video guys! Very informative
Thank you
Tintable oil enriched enamel. Please explain
But, can I paint the walls with an enamel? Yes, it would cost more, but wouldn't that be better than wall paint?
thanks, very helpful!
What about Oil Based Enamel..??
Pro Classic Oil is our fav or that.
New subscriber good job
Thank you!
People get confused because there are 2 types of emerald paints. One is this, and the other is the urethane enamel trim paint. I like the emerald enamel trim paint.
yes it can be confusing
I would love to know how you guys stripped the water base paint off the oil-based paint
If someone put water based over oil based and it needs stripped now we would start first by trying a wet rag and sand paper.
I would not use any of these products on cabinetry. None of them are KCMA certified and any professional contractor worth his weight in this field would know what that certification means. Precat lacquer, 1k or 2k polys or conversion varnishes are the industry standard for finishes on cabinets and furniture. These products in the vid are good for walls, trim and doors ONLY. Use Sherwin Williams Sherwood Kem Aqua Plus or Gallery Series for water base or use CAB lacquer, precat lacquer or conversion varnish for solvent based products for cabinets. They are all KCMA certified products.
ok
I painted all my trim and doors with Zinsser Cover Stain oil primer and then top coated with Sherwin Williams Super Paint semi gloss and it seems to have held up well over the last few months. I was told the oil primer would allow it to be much more durable, fingers crossed that holds true.
Superpaint does fine for trim work but a true enamel like Emerald Urethane or Pro Classic would hold up better long term.
@@That1Painter I was gonna go that route but neither had been in stock for weeks at the local Sherwin Williams store. Sorta wish I would had went with Behr enamel paint but not sure how well their stuff is.
@@Painmaster212 the shortages have been awful. The behr enamels are good. 👍
It's not confusing at all. However, your information is disorganized, rambling, and not cohesive. Also an excessively long video. Get to the point. Cut out the banter and small talk. Give us the facts in 2 mins straight. Like this:
3 types of paint:
Acrylic (Latex) wall paint, water based.
Enamel (source unknown) water based for trim
Enamel Oil based, for trim.
Primer - Acrylic water based. Can take any paint over it.
Primer - Enamel oil based. Can take any paint over it.
In fact, when I painted my RV walls, I used Oil based Primer Kilz and then roller brushed latex (acrylic) paint and it held up very well. Walls were 1/8 luan with vinyl wallpaper. I sanded the wall paper then primed and painted. In this case, the oil based primer was better than the water based primer due to plastic walls. No I could not remove the plastic wallpaper as it had structural value..
next video will be all banter just for you
Seriously they don't really make it simple for consumer for paint products. Reminds me a lot of how the IRS does taxs
Soo many paints! Super confusing.
hate that when you turn up and the customer has got the paint and know nothing about painting they think they do cause they say they have painted the odd room here and there and think they know better than you i just walk away when they start telling me how to do my job just makes the job awkward especially when your charging by the hour and you start doing prep work and there like why dont you just start painting like they think your trying to rip them off just insulting.
We started Paint Talks to help customers learn more about all of the technical elements and details the pros cover. #hireapro
Good vid and you hit upon a important point that others don`t expand on and its a biggggggeeeee ! oil primer and water based primer and the RULES ARE DIFFERENT! that just confuses the crap out of people! its a huge mistake i made and i followed advice from a big box store and primed with a wtaer based primer over multipal layers of other paints on our kitchen cabinets.It came right off! So why don`t paint companies just make oil based primers and leave it at that! ?????? no more fixes that way . Or maybe you guys should make a vid only about primers.And slow it down just a tad so we can take it in good n clear! Thanks so much for all your info!......Durrr just seen your vid Specialty primers!
Thank you for your ideas and feedback. We have Paint Talk season two out this spring. More informative content coming your way!
Oil base is the best paint. Painters make more money on water base
Oil certainly has a lot of advantages but the water/urethane is soo good! have you tried it?
@@That1Painter Can it be used outside? Have you seen it after 5 years outside?
He said 2 gallons of trim paint compared to 30-40 gallons of wall paint lol that’s a shitload of paint man
Big houses with high ceilings here in Texas! 🤩
I won't use anything but emerald trim by sherwin williams or advance by benjamin moore on trim and doors or any kind of woodwork. These two paints are life changers in the paint world! I absolutely loved oil based paint but unfortunately liberals have ruined the ability to easily get it and in a few years you won't see it at all! Same with the ability to buy a new washing machine that actually cleans your clothes or a shower head that gives you enough water flo to take a proper shower without modifying it! They basically ruin everything they touch!
We love the emerald urethane trim enamel!
I wish I could say I loved the Emerald Urethane. I found that it flashed way too fast and thus did not lay out well. I do think it laid out slightly more 2-3 days after application if you can believe it. Nonetheless, still not impressed - nothing like a good oil. Secondly, it’s soft. Not nearly as soft as an acrylic latex but not like Breakthrough or Advance. Lastly, I hated the smell. Rubber bands galore!
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Pro painter here. With all due respect you have it backwards… You can put acrylic or hybrids on top of properly prepped existing oil enamel. Not oil over acrylic.Big distinction.
Properly prepped in both directions. But it is absolutely more risky to put acrylic over oil and a mistake we see painters make all the time. To anyone reading this DO NOT PUT ACRYLIC OVER OIL WITH OUT SANDING AND PRIMING FIRST!
Enamel is oil-based; latex is water-based.