Great video man!!!! I guess my ears are biased, but the B channel on the dual dark 50 is my perfect sound!! You nailed it Zach! I low-key loved all four of them. They all sound amazing!!!
@@GuitarSolosInc. Well thank you for checking this one out. I do have to say Im a big fan of channel B on the DD. Now I know why Matt Pike used it for so long !
I have a Dual Dark. It can be a little ornery at times, but if you can line it up right, its a beast. I like CH B more than CH A. CH B is where the true magic is. Speakers also play a massive role for the DD sound quality. Ive had the best luck with a 4x12 that has Creambacks and Greenbacks in an X-Pattern. The CV-30s get too spikey with the DD. Great vid. Thanks for posting.
This was quite surprise for me! I have to say the winner is Orange Rockreverb 50. Science Mother on the close second. At the end of the "amp alone" part, the Rectifier produced some massive sounding palm mutes. Last is the Dual Dark... it has something in the higher tones that i dont like, it is too spitty.. idk. Before this vid, if you would ask me which would i take, i would say the Dual dark - no brainer, so it ending up last is very shocking... This also makes me want to hear next episodes as it might bring some more shocking revelations. Amazing stuff right there, keep it coming mate!!
I felt similar to that as well . I thought the DD was going to walk all over these amps . Then hearing them side by side it was my 3rd favorite out of the bunch . Thanks for checking this one out .
I found it almost impossible to beat the Mesa from the jump. It's got that thing. But that Orange Rockerverb 50. Wow. It shines where that Dual Rectifier gets in its own way. They miss that chime you have to EQ to get out of the way. But the Orange has it. Rockerverb 50 gets my vote. It took that extra dirt like a champ.
Rockerverb gets my vote, I'm surprised how much I liked the Dual Rec though! I'm usually not a big fan of the Rectifier sound but it sounded killer in the mix
The Oranges definitely give me the right doom metal vibes but overall I cannot stop listening to The Science! Something about it’s tone is just right. Definitely will be saving up for one in the future!
I genuinely thought the Dual Dark would be everything I wanted in an amp. but the Rockerverb 50 just popped up so much more in the mix, with it's very characteristic Orange sound. I'm impressed.
All amps sounded surprisingly awesome. As a lover of mids I didn’t expect to like the Recto that much, and I didn’t in the mixed example but I thought it sounded super sludgy and nasty in the playthrough section. Similarly with the Dual Dark it seemed a little scooped for my taste on some settings but still packs enough versatility to satisfy everyone. But the Mother and Rockerverb sounded so damm incredible. Both insanely rich, bright and dynamic with a fantastic midrange. I’d say the Mother sounds a bit more "slow" and doomy with the Rockerverb being slightly tighter and more modern. However both amazing in their own right. My vote would have to go to the mother as it seems like an under appreciated beast of an amp with great potential. Thank you so much for these videos the comparisons rule
I’m happy to do these video . I’m very happy to hear everyone has been enjoying this series so far . Both rockerverb and mother shined in this shootout I feel . But I feel the Mother had a more useable clean tone and took pedals a bit better . But I was so surprised on how much I liked the rockerverb as well . Both are amazing amps . Thanks for checking this one out 🤘🏻
Tough decision, but I'm giving my vote to the Orange Rockerverb 50. I have the SS amp equivalent, the Orange Crush Pro 120. I was surprised how the Dual Dark's tone sounds more suited for regular Metal and Death Metal.
Super close between the rockerverb and the mother, heavily considering getting myself a mother now! But in the end the rockerverb wins for me, I just can't get enough of that orange sound.
Oh man this is one of my favorite videos of all so far. Though I’m a massive fuzz guy I’m a HUGE modern amp lover. One day I need to find a way to bring my VHT over, it’s the main reason for Osiris.
I appreciate that Eric I think the Osiris really brought out the best of the amps . I’ve always wanted to try out a VHT so I’d totally be game for that !
I’d rather have a Dual Dark than that version of the Rockerverb any day, but it needed some tweaking. Someone said somewhere they’d like to see a Super Crush style amp based on the Dual Dark. That needs to exist in my world.
Science amps rocks! EQ section of both Orange amps are super versatile and makes a lot of difference in tonal possibility’s. I love Dual Rec’s but they are weird to dial in correctly. I normally turn down the treble completely to get rid of the hiss and ad some presence. Tune mids to your liking.
The Mother is just flat out great . The clean channel is wonderful on this . I also love how easy it was to dial in . Both the oranges were solid but the rockerverb worked best for me . The Mesa is nice as well but such a pain to dial that thing in .
Fantastic video man. The doom genre often gets bogged down with the thought that you have to use a fuzz pedal to get the sound that you’re after. These 4 circuits are great examples that that’s not the case. For me, it’s between the Dual Dark and MOTHER. They’re very different but both do the “thing”. I’ve watched this 4 times now and… Science MOTHER 🔊 🔊 🔊 Also shoutout to Eric and Frost Giant. Excellent choice in using the Osiris
Thank you very much! We wanted to give every style of a amp = shot in this series . We didn’t want people to think that the only option out there was a model T or Matamp . The Mother for me was the one I would pick honestly . It covers everything I need a amp to do . Thank you again for taking the time to watch this .
@@FuzzedDrones of course man, love the channel. And that pedal you put out with Justus is fuckin sick too. I can’t lie tho I’m looking forward to the next video because, like you said, you don’t have to have a model T or Matamp but there’s a reason why they’ve reached the status that they have within the genre
Mother for me. I love the Rockerverb and used to have one, but the Mother is just so much more reactive and complex in the tone. There's a reason I got rid of my rockerverb: to order a Mother.
The rockerverb definitely shocked me . This was really the first time I sat down with one . But similar to you right after I filmed this demo . I ordered a mother instantly hahaha
11:27 Omg... It's very interesting hearing everyone's opinions. To my ears, I'm married to the DD and DT. But I wasn't judging it on doom tones. I was judging it on a more extreme/death tones. Everyone else was obviously judging it based on doom tones. So it's very interesting to see how amps do with tones. People seem to like the Rockerverb for the midrange, but dislike the DD for it's sizzle. But those same qualities are exactly why I love the DD for extreme/death over the others: It's nasty, just straight up nasty. Pretty cool!
I REALLY gotta get my stuff together and order a Mother. It's been on my to get list for years. This did help solve the single or 2 channel question though. 😂
I´m surprised how different the both Orange Amps are sounding compared to each other. All in All not easy to choose a favorit, but my vote goes towards the Rockerverb 50
@@FuzzedDrones In comaprison, you´ll get why they named it Dual Dark, the Name is no Joke. All 4 Amps are great on their own, the Mesa has "glue" in its sound, meaning it is full and without "holes" in the Frequency Spectrum, but the lack of Cutting through the Mix is its Tradeoff.
SCIENCE Mother. Can easily tone-match the Rockerverb with the mids knob up but it has a more percussive and articulate low and top end. Some chime but not brittle. Boom without flubbing out.
I maybe a little biased as I own a Rockerverb, but I honestly preferred the Rockerverb in this comparison... there's just something about the midrange I really like. I was however surprised that I wasn't that taken by the Duel Dark... For some reason I thought I was going to like it more.
Wow that Rockerverb sounded great! Didn't expected it to hang so well. Would have been curious how much of a difference the 100w version would have made. I'd be content with the Rockerverb or Science. Dual Dark sounded interesting on it's own, but wasn't a fan at all in the mix.
Out of these here I’d pick the Science, and then probably the Mesa. The RV50 is a great amp too, it really does cut a dense mix like a knife. The Dual Dark though.. I really don’t get the love for those things. Scooped to f$&k, with that brittle harsh top end. The Mesa is scooped as well, but the top end is smoother. And having spent some good time with both those amps, you can get almost any tone you want out of a Dual Rec, whereas the DD is fairly limited.
I'm going to be an outsider here and vote for the Recto!!!! Massive wall of sound and still defined enough - didn't like the rockerverb at all actually.
Not a common choice but the ad200 is a perfect amp for this use. I use mine with baritone and high gain and fuzz on my board. But hot pickups will push it into medium/high gain on its own. I have the rv100mk3 and ad140 that are both great but the 200 adds the massive bottom end without that mid suck you get from most bass amps.
once again, you've proved why I was a fool to let go of my triple rectifier. I didn't even have it dialed in to be fuzzy, I wasn't into doom at the time. I think another recto is on the books, or a dual dark. perhaps a new series idea "Does it Metal Zone". Jk.
I expected to pick the Science Mother because I like their stuff so much, but my vote will have to go to the Rockerverb. There’s a good reason it is a classic amp!
Recto for me. It sounds more open, so it can be more dark just dialing, once the dual dark by the way, when increase the highs it not open, but more noisy for me. Science would be my second.
?? How am I supposed to choosee?? These amps are all incredible. If I have to I will say the Dual Dark just because it has that sizzle that makes it sound extra nasty when the gain is pushed. And you expect an Orange to have a super boxy midrange but the shape control really gives you a lot of versatility with a very simple interface. Dual Dark it is.
** Winner of Round 1 | Laney AOR 50**
Great video man!!!! I guess my ears are biased, but the B channel on the dual dark 50 is my perfect sound!! You nailed it Zach! I low-key loved all four of them. They all sound amazing!!!
We all knew Laney would win because it says Laney on the front TBH
My girl!!’
@@gooseabuse it was a close one . The Laney only won by two votes. The VTM almost caught up !
@@GuitarSolosInc. Well thank you for checking this one out. I do have to say Im a big fan of channel B on the DD. Now I know why Matt Pike used it for so long !
Science by FAR. I was surprised by how little I liked the Dual Dark.
same, i actually really didn't like the Dual Dark at all. i get why they discontinued it now honestly
Same
I have a Dual Dark. It can be a little ornery at times, but if you can line it up right, its a beast. I like CH B more than CH A. CH B is where the true magic is. Speakers also play a massive role for the DD sound quality. Ive had the best luck with a 4x12 that has Creambacks and Greenbacks in an X-Pattern. The CV-30s get too spikey with the DD.
Great vid. Thanks for posting.
Orange Rockerverb 50 for me. Had the most usable tones across the spectrum. Channel A on the Science was amazing too.
I think the rockerverb surprised me the most . I feel that and the science where my favorites .
Rockerverb won for me. The mids really helped it stand out in a mix
Rockerverb was not what I was expecting to select, but here we are!
Surprised by how much I liked the Orange Rockerverb here, but going to have to hand it to the Science Mother.
This was quite surprise for me! I have to say the winner is Orange Rockreverb 50. Science Mother on the close second. At the end of the "amp alone" part, the Rectifier produced some massive sounding palm mutes. Last is the Dual Dark... it has something in the higher tones that i dont like, it is too spitty.. idk. Before this vid, if you would ask me which would i take, i would say the Dual dark - no brainer, so it ending up last is very shocking... This also makes me want to hear next episodes as it might bring some more shocking revelations. Amazing stuff right there, keep it coming mate!!
I felt similar to that as well . I thought the DD was going to walk all over these amps . Then hearing them side by side it was my 3rd favorite out of the bunch . Thanks for checking this one out .
Agreed , orange rocket, especially on single lines. Best midrange voicing as well.
Rockerverb sounds best in the mix to me!
Thanks for voting and checking it out !
That track on the "Insane Gain" portion of the demo should be turned into a full song, dude.
Something like this may or may not be happening soon 😁.
I found it almost impossible to beat the Mesa from the jump. It's got that thing. But that Orange Rockerverb 50. Wow. It shines where that Dual Rectifier gets in its own way. They miss that chime you have to EQ to get out of the way. But the Orange has it. Rockerverb 50 gets my vote. It took that extra dirt like a champ.
Rockerverb and Science sounded really good, didn't like the other two. I'd buy the rockerverb which surprised me.
Rockerverb gets my vote, I'm surprised how much I liked the Dual Rec though! I'm usually not a big fan of the Rectifier sound but it sounded killer in the mix
Science with the win. It's high end is just so much better an open at high gain than the others. Also its bass and midrange are just giant.
The Oranges definitely give me the right doom metal vibes but overall I cannot stop listening to The Science! Something about it’s tone is just right. Definitely will be saving up for one in the future!
Orange Rockerverb because it immediately stands out
I genuinely thought the Dual Dark would be everything I wanted in an amp. but the Rockerverb 50 just popped up so much more in the mix, with it's very characteristic Orange sound. I'm impressed.
All amps sounded surprisingly awesome. As a lover of mids I didn’t expect to like the Recto that much, and I didn’t in the mixed example but I thought it sounded super sludgy and nasty in the playthrough section. Similarly with the Dual Dark it seemed a little scooped for my taste on some settings but still packs enough versatility to satisfy everyone.
But the Mother and Rockerverb sounded so damm incredible. Both insanely rich, bright and dynamic with a fantastic midrange. I’d say the Mother sounds a bit more "slow" and doomy with the Rockerverb being slightly tighter and more modern. However both amazing in their own right.
My vote would have to go to the mother as it seems like an under appreciated beast of an amp with great potential.
Thank you so much for these videos the comparisons rule
I’m happy to do these video . I’m very happy to hear everyone has been enjoying this series so far . Both rockerverb and mother shined in this shootout I feel . But I feel the Mother had a more useable clean tone and took pedals a bit better . But I was so surprised on how much I liked the rockerverb as well . Both are amazing amps . Thanks for checking this one out 🤘🏻
I'm way way late but the Rockerverb surprised me a lot! I'd definitely take the Mother 1st though
my ideal doom tone, is the kind of fuzz you get when the amp is basically melting. like sleep cranking matamps. one day I'll achieve that !
Well next months video will be right up your alley !
@@FuzzedDrones you're the best homie.
Tough decision, but I'm giving my vote to the Orange Rockerverb 50. I have the SS amp equivalent, the Orange Crush Pro 120. I was surprised how the Dual Dark's tone sounds more suited for regular Metal and Death Metal.
Super close between the rockerverb and the mother, heavily considering getting myself a mother now! But in the end the rockerverb wins for me, I just can't get enough of that orange sound.
The 200 watt Science Monther is hands down the best sounding amp money can buy
The Science wins for sure! Gotta get one of these at some point!
Ordered one right after filming this video 🤣
Dual dark for me love the high on fire tones
Oh man this is one of my favorite videos of all so far. Though I’m a massive fuzz guy I’m a HUGE modern amp lover. One day I need to find a way to bring my VHT over, it’s the main reason for Osiris.
I appreciate that Eric I think the Osiris really brought out the best of the amps . I’ve always wanted to try out a VHT so I’d totally be game for that !
I’d rather have a Dual Dark than that version of the Rockerverb any day, but it needed some tweaking. Someone said somewhere they’d like to see a Super Crush style amp based on the Dual Dark. That needs to exist in my world.
SCIENCE AMPS ALWAYS
the rockerverb wins for me,those mids are sick!!!
Science Mother for me, had the best midrange content and overall sound!
The Mother is just a flat out beast iMO ! Thank you for checking this one out !
I liked the Insane Gain! Really, they all were able to dial in good tones; however, the Science is the outstanding performer in this shoot out. 🔫
The Mother handled everything so well iMO . Thanks for voting !
Science amps rocks! EQ section of both Orange amps are super versatile and makes a lot of difference in tonal possibility’s. I love Dual Rec’s but they are weird to dial in correctly. I normally turn down the treble completely to get rid of the hiss and ad some presence. Tune mids to your liking.
The Mother is just flat out great . The clean channel is wonderful on this . I also love how easy it was to dial in . Both the oranges were solid but the rockerverb worked best for me . The Mesa is nice as well but such a pain to dial that thing in .
Fantastic video man. The doom genre often gets bogged down with the thought that you have to use a fuzz pedal to get the sound that you’re after. These 4 circuits are great examples that that’s not the case. For me, it’s between the Dual Dark and MOTHER. They’re very different but both do the “thing”. I’ve watched this 4 times now and…
Science MOTHER 🔊 🔊 🔊
Also shoutout to Eric and Frost Giant. Excellent choice in using the Osiris
Thank you very much! We wanted to give every style of a amp = shot in this series . We didn’t want people to think that the only option out there was a model T or Matamp . The Mother for me was the one I would pick honestly . It covers everything I need a amp to do . Thank you again for taking the time to watch this .
@@FuzzedDrones of course man, love the channel. And that pedal you put out with Justus is fuckin sick too. I can’t lie tho I’m looking forward to the next video because, like you said, you don’t have to have a model T or Matamp but there’s a reason why they’ve reached the status that they have within the genre
Mother for me. I love the Rockerverb and used to have one, but the Mother is just so much more reactive and complex in the tone. There's a reason I got rid of my rockerverb: to order a Mother.
The rockerverb definitely shocked me . This was really the first time I sat down with one . But similar to you right after I filmed this demo . I ordered a mother instantly hahaha
Mother all day. That's my desert island high power amp.
It’s a fantastic amp . Alex did wonders with this amp / design !
defo the Science.
rockverb for me. although I've always preferred the thunderverb
my favorite was the bass tone! then the rockerverb.
11:27 Omg...
It's very interesting hearing everyone's opinions. To my ears, I'm married to the DD and DT. But I wasn't judging it on doom tones. I was judging it on a more extreme/death tones. Everyone else was obviously judging it based on doom tones. So it's very interesting to see how amps do with tones. People seem to like the Rockerverb for the midrange, but dislike the DD for it's sizzle. But those same qualities are exactly why I love the DD for extreme/death over the others: It's nasty, just straight up nasty. Pretty cool!
I REALLY gotta get my stuff together and order a Mother. It's been on my to get list for years. This did help solve the single or 2 channel question though. 😂
I was the same way ! Right after doing this demo . I ordered one from Alex , just because it’s so perfect iMO . Thanks for watching this one !
That’s a tough one. Gotta go rockerverb. Orange owns this genre. But I gotta say that science sounded awesome
The rockerverb shocked me the most . I was surprised how much I liked it .
To my old blown-out ears that orange rockverb 50 sounded pretty good in the mix.
the Rockerverb is the winner!!!
If you find a Rivera Knucklehead get that because it has more low end than a Rectifier
I´m surprised how different the both Orange Amps are sounding compared to each other. All in All not easy to choose a favorit, but my vote goes towards the Rockerverb 50
Right ?! Honestly I would take the rockerverb over the dual dark any day after doing this video .
@@FuzzedDrones In comaprison, you´ll get why they named it Dual Dark, the Name is no Joke. All 4 Amps are great on their own, the Mesa has "glue" in its sound, meaning it is full and without "holes" in the Frequency Spectrum, but the lack of Cutting through the Mix is its Tradeoff.
The rockerverb is nice and it’s too bad it went up against the Mother in the the first round, but Science all the way.
Rockerverb and science where both great. Hell, run the 2 in stereo!
If you could only pick one what one would it be ? Thanks for checking this out .
@@FuzzedDrones rockerverb would win for me by a hair, and only due to comparable simplicity
Orange Rockerverb
Science #1 Rocker #2 Neither of the other two for me.
Super!
I have mesa dual, but it sounds different than yours 🤷🏽♂️, less grain, less ragged, more smooth… i like your mesa sound !
You may have a different revision than that one . Plus tubes , age etc all play into it as well . I’m glad you liked the video . What was your pick ?
Science Mother.
Science mother easily
1. Rockerverb
2. Mother
3. Dual Dark
4. Dual Rec
It was tough but my choice of tone will be Rockerverb on this one. Nice work dude👊🤘
I appreciate that . Happy to hear you liked this one . 🔊
Mother
Rockerverb
Dual Dark
Dual Rec
Rockerverb for sure
she blinded me with SCIENCE!
🤘🏻🤣🤘🏻
Yeah it was the Science imo
Orange Rockerverb 50 FTW
Rockerverb all day. Those vocal mids and the perfect growl
SCIENCE Mother. Can easily tone-match the Rockerverb with the mids knob up but it has a more percussive and articulate low and top end. Some chime but not brittle. Boom without flubbing out.
🤘🏻
Rockerverb for me. Not familiar with Science amps, but that was pretty cool too.
Science is the evolution of amps. Analog complexity unmatched, swelling frequency, notes of brutal evil, but beauty within.
Love this ^
SCIENCE MOTHER
Thanks for voting !
1) Rockerverb
2) Mother
3) Dual Rectifier
4) Dual Dark
Very close to what I was thinking . Thanks for the vote !
I maybe a little biased as I own a Rockerverb, but I honestly preferred the Rockerverb in this comparison... there's just something about the midrange I really like. I was however surprised that I wasn't that taken by the Duel Dark... For some reason I thought I was going to like it more.
I kind of felt the same way about the Dual Dark . Thanks for voting and checking this out . Next month will be the big video !
I Loved the Dual Dark then the Laney.👍
Right on , Thanks for the vote !
Thought I'd be voting for the Mother but Rockerverb has it for me.
Science mopped the floor with all the others here... now I want one.
Orange Rockerverb!!!🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
The dual dark sounds like how people who dislike rectifiers describe them. Thin and boomy simultaneously. The fizz is terrible. Mother wins here.
Easily the Science. Never heard of them before, but the Mother blew me away
Stoked to hear that ! It’s such a rad piece of gear .
Science ftw, of course
Can’t go wrong with it 🤘🏻
Science amp by a mile!
Wow that Rockerverb sounded great! Didn't expected it to hang so well. Would have been curious how much of a difference the 100w version would have made. I'd be content with the Rockerverb or Science. Dual Dark sounded interesting on it's own, but wasn't a fan at all in the mix.
Mother all day
All of a sudden I'm not afraid to be using a mesa mark V for my doom tone.
It was hard one EXCEPT for the dual dark,seemed to be kinda thin and fizzy. Im going with the rockerverb!
Do you happen to know which Mother version this is? I see that it is the two channel, but what wattage and tubes? Thanks!
This is a newer version I believe and it’s 100 Watts . I can check with Alex to get the exact specs for you .
EL34’s!
Awesome, thanks!
1) Science Mother!!!
2) Rockerverb 3) DD50 4) Mesa
Out of these here I’d pick the Science, and then probably the Mesa.
The RV50 is a great amp too, it really does cut a dense mix like a knife.
The Dual Dark though.. I really don’t get the love for those things.
Scooped to f$&k, with that brittle harsh top end.
The Mesa is scooped as well, but the top end is smoother.
And having spent some good time with both those amps, you can get almost any tone you want out of a Dual Rec, whereas the DD is fairly limited.
Oh, the science amp sound fantastic!
Sounds expensive...
I'm going to be an outsider here and vote for the Recto!!!! Massive wall of sound and still defined enough - didn't like the rockerverb at all actually.
Orange Rockerverb for me
Thanks for voting !
Science Mother for sure
Great pick . Thank you for checking this out and voting 🤘🏻
Not a common choice but the ad200 is a perfect amp for this use. I use mine with baritone and high gain and fuzz on my board. But hot pickups will push it into medium/high gain on its own. I have the rv100mk3 and ad140 that are both great but the 200 adds the massive bottom end without that mid suck you get from most bass amps.
Science blown the rest out of the water, and I'm typically a huge Orange fan
once again, you've proved why I was a fool to let go of my triple rectifier. I didn't even have it dialed in to be fuzzy, I wasn't into doom at the time. I think another recto is on the books, or a dual dark.
perhaps a new series idea "Does it Metal Zone". Jk.
How about a Micro Terror, fully cranked in a 4x12
I expected to pick the Science Mother because I like their stuff so much, but my vote will have to go to the Rockerverb. There’s a good reason it is a classic amp!
Honestly can’t go wrong with it !
Recto for me. It sounds more open, so it can be more dark just dialing, once the dual dark by the way, when increase the highs it not open, but more noisy for me. Science would be my second.
Science Mother for the win
Hope you liked this one . Thanks for voting 🤘🏻
bro what revision and model is that mesa boogie that sounds rad
I couldn’t tell you honestly I know it’s from the early 2000s so maybe C+ ?
Science clears
Rockerverb!
Rockerverb 💯
?? How am I supposed to choosee?? These amps are all incredible. If I have to I will say the Dual Dark just because it has that sizzle that makes it sound extra nasty when the gain is pushed. And you expect an Orange to have a super boxy midrange but the shape control really gives you a lot of versatility with a very simple interface. Dual Dark it is.
I know it’s a rough choice but the dual dark is a solid pick ! Thanks for taking the time to check this video out !
HOLY MOTHER…..SCIENCE WINS
🤘🏻😉🤘🏻🔈 thanks for checking this one out John !
+1 for Mother. I was not impressed with either Orange, and the Mesa is too much to get dialed in.
Moral of the story they ALL sound better dimed
Mother of Science!
🤘🏻 hope you liked it . Thanks for checking it out .