This for sure! I had an Orange crush 35RT sitting at home when I took a few years off playing electric guitar, and I just got back into it and that amp on clean with a nice fuzz or overdrive gets me exactly into some good stoner/doom and thrash tones.
The Crush 12 is also a banger for cheap. Been my practice amp for years, and takes everything from e standard stuff all the way down to drop D 8 string chugs and sound way better than you'd expect it to lol
I can't stress enough how helpul that information is; "buy used"! Yeah, I also hated the Katana to it's very core. Actually... a dope pedal platform and super versatile. Sounds amazing, for the money imo
Old peavey's are so underrated, they've got some super snarly tones hidden in them. I like to bi amp mine with a blues jr, I dial in my bassy tones in the Jr and let the Peavey handle the high ends and distortion. Its also lots of fun to run pedals into only one of the amps to get cool layered sounds, I typically run a octave or modulation into one!
I saw you had Quilter on the screen briefly. I bought a Quilter Overdrive 200 and I'm not looking back. I'm going to quote Nate Newton of Converge and Old Man Gloom fame when he said, "they can sound like an old JCM800 and a bassman if you twiddle the knobs." Bands like Thou, Cave In, amd Goatwhore have been using these amps. 200 watts of solid state tone that surprisingly sounded tube like.
I was hoping he'd mention them but yes. I've even seen photos of Matt Pike using a quilter live. I just got a problock 200 for just over $300 shipped with the case. Great pedal platform, the limiter on it is amazing to use and holy **** they are ridiculously loud. Just as any of the other doom staple amps. Toneblock 200 & 201s also sell quite cheap on the used market.
Super stoked about this channel. These amps gave me food for thought. Running a Blackstar 100w Solid State amp right now. On clean running pedals it does the trick. For now… my eye is on a Bassman.
@@EHX do not fret! In this time frame a MiG came into our shop. I may be acquiring it. The MiG is a great amp. In the hands of an amp tech it’s even better!
I love your honesty, Jason!. You admitted your bias towards the Katana being wrong till you heard it. It's a solid amp for what it does and the price point.
Definitely worth checking out the orange voiced joyo bantamp (the meteor). More features than the micro oranges - 2 channels, effects loop, bluetooth aux (I thought this was dumb at first but use it a lot for playing along from my phone!) - for a similar price. I either use it slightly overdriven for a pedal platform or throw a green ringer in front of the dirt channel for crushing octave tones
The Joyo bantamp series should really be mentioned. 20 watt heads with tube preamps, can drive a 4x12 cab with no problems. Only about $160. The Meteor is an Orange clone and the Zombie a Mesa Boogie.
This is what I have. I replaced the stock speaker with a celestion redback and it came to life. Lead channel absolutely rips now and you can play doom as is unless you specifically want to play stoner doom. All transistor harshness gone, all 112 combo boxiness gone, huge bottom end, just sounds really full and more like a 412.
Peavy Windsor is a kick ass amp too, as well as a Krank Rev1. I currently use all Krank on my rig and I put the gain on half and push it with a big muff and the tone is monstrous.
Just ordered a Super Crush 100. I really dig the sound of that amp. Orange went analog on the design which is why I feel it sounds as good as it does. Great video!
Tube power amps. Peavey 50/50, 120/120w,,dean Markley 100/100, carvin 20/20-100/100, Marshall 9000 amps, are a great value and they are loud! Just add a your favorite preamp pedal and a stereo verb/delay and you got a huge sounding rig.
Music Man combos from the late 1970's are great examples of this. I just cleaned up and tested a Music Man RP 65 for the shop I work at and WOW. So loud, so clean until you dime the Gain or hit it with a dirt pedal, and very clear even at high gain. Reminds me of Yob in all the best ways.
One more vote for the super crush. I run mine on the clean channel and put a rat, acapulco gold, or an fz-2 clone in front of it. It does exactly what I want 😀
Awesome Chanell. My personal favorite cheap amps are the Peavy Mark III and the Mark VI. The MK3 is 100 watt solid state and the MK6 is 400W. You can find both used for less than 200$ last i checked. I think I paid 100$ for the mk3 and 140$ for the mk6 at a pawn shop. Great tone and plenty of power to play live gigs.
2 other Affordable amps for Doom Metal, Stoner Rock, and Sludge Metal are The Maestro M-15 which is a great sounding little amp released by Gibson in the 1960's but you can find them on the used amps market in some places for 36-40 dollars, and the Fender Champion which is a modeling amp but you set it to the Metal voicings plug effects pedals such as Fuzz, Distortion, Wah, Reverb, and Delay into the footswitch jack, and turn on any of the amps onboard effects you've got a Doom Metal, Stoner Rock, or Sludge Metal sound also you can get Fender Champions for $219.00 and they might sound like crap but they'll work for Doom Metal guitarists who are on a budget
I own a orange th30 and i recently got into rack gear,so i decided to build a rack amp system using pedals as a preamp,kind of like the orange pedalbaby but mch cheaper and more usefull since i can plug in two lines and use it as a stereo amp.
I have this HiWatt! I love it and it absolutely rips with the right pedals! I use both channels combined and it’s just gorgeous. For home rockers there are some high quality captures for your daw as well.
Had a bassman 70 for years, definitely a cleaner sound with less breakup than the 50 watt bassmans. It is a 70 watt amp. It actually does use a linear output transformer to get the extra 20 watts out of a 50 watt tube configuration.
Lambcopper678 is a fan of the Katana head as a pedal.platform. Katanas are hard to beat in price/performance/versatility. I really want one of the new Laney Foundry heads to mess with.
I personally was in love with the Jet City JCA50h. especially for the price. Hard to find nowadays but if you see one in the 2nd hand market, grab it asap.
I second this, Jet City are the ultimate metal sleeper amps, bought mine new £250($300) about 7 years ago, and I have not used my 5150 or JCM800 since, they are that good, JCA50 all the way
Only 5 years ago you could pick up a Laney AOR in the UK for about £200 ($240/250) they are more expensive now,. For about 20 years Laney AOR's and Soundcity 50's were the ultimate budget Tube heads in the UK. Soundcity's would go for 150-200 until the recent (ish) re issuing and and re imagining of Sound City (yeh thanks Mike Fortin...F*cking sh*t ballz) Soundcity's were basically Hiwatts for a fraction of the price. Now they go for £800 ($950/1000) used. When I was at school(25years ago) I knew 3 different peeps who bought one for £120-150 ($170) and they were their first tube heads, like an entry level thing. The prices remained the same for ages, until the recent reissue thing, which I must confess just p*ssed me off. I find it obnoxious that they are going for 2k+ new. As I type this there is a 60's 100 watt going for 5.5k I mean FFS, that would have cost £500 ($600) MAX only 5-8 years ago.
Awesome video! I would say that one amp that’s criminally overlooked is the Orange Pedal Baby. It’s essentially just the clean side of the Super Crush. I’ve owned both and I thought the crunch channel on the Super Crush was pretty gross. The Pedal Baby is an incredible pedal platform or a great amp to use as a slave or an additional amp for your wet/dry or wet/dry/wet setup or as a power amp… the list goes on and it’s very affordable. Another amp that I just acquired for a steal of a deal is the VHT D-50. It’s a “Dumble Clone” I’m no Dumble aficionado but I read that is was a great clean amp that reacted well to dynamics. So I gave it a shot. A 50 Watt all tube hardwired amp that I payed less than 700 bucks for. It’s got two channels, fx loop, bass, bright and mid switches and plenty of volume and headroom. I’m guessing it’s really similar to the MIG 50, but unlike the MiG the VHT has an effects loop. Those are my opinions. Lee up the killer content.
I've got a Bassman 10 combo and its excellent for doom or really any genre for that matter, extremely versatile amp! Plus you don't really find 4x10 combo amps like that nowadays, great for gigging. They look super heavy but you'd be suprised!
Back in the late 80s i had a solid state 100w Marshall 2×12 combo that cost me £50, my brother had a 1974 Hiwatt DR103 and he said I'll swap my Hiwatt for your Marshall combo. So i got a Custom 100 for £50! I used to play it through two 4×12s with a Boss HM2 and a Boss EQ pedal doing covers like Procreation of the Wicked and Electric Funeral. Back then most of the bands we played with were using rack mounted stuff, and they'd smirk thinking who's this guy with the ancient old valve amp? The old Hiwatt soon showed 'em!
As doomsters let’s just face it small and quiet, bed room amps aren’t in our view-cab or wheel house. TH30 through matching 2x-12 is what we consider practice amp. Or something like a VHT ULTRA-6 head version through a 1x12, 2x12, or even a full stack depending on room size. I believe it’s class A 15 watts, a half power toggle stand by cutting it to 7.5watts, and built in antenuator that gradually takes it from 7.5 slowly all the way to one watt as you turn lower and lower. Right now my bedroom practice amp is a 1968 Fender Bassman with a matching dual showman cab with the original 2x12 Jensens which has the over sized cab. To keep it harnessed back I used the JHS little black box for a voltage cut and when I’m playing heavy stuff I just keep the volume all the way down and use together or separately the volume knob on my Bigg Muff, Boss Hyperfuzz, Beringher SF300 Superfuzz, and or my Keeley El Rey which has both vintage voices or modern voices toggle switch making it in my opinion the best Plexi Super Lead pedal out there. Anyway when you turn up the volume knob it automatically acts as a preamp hence why my volume stays on 1 which is all the way down, it doesn’t have a zero hahaha. That’s probably my favorite option. It’s just the curse of being cool and playing Stoner/Doom/Sludge/Blackened any genre!!
I had two sound city mk4s in the past, basically Hiwatt Dr103s (The SC were dsesigned by dave reeves before he started hiwatt) without the master violume and yes they are the best amps ever they take pedals so well as they have huge headroom! and througha cab with Fane 122190s or creshendos cant be beat!
Just an idea for a semi affordable all tube amp head I would suggest checking out an Ampeg V4B. On either guitar or bass you can't go wrong with that amp and if you can find one used locally they can be pretty affordable. Even new they won't totally break your bank account.
Where is the damn jam with the orange cr120 with the story of the guy who used to paint hearts on his face???? Man i miss that video, i loved that jam !
Just reposted it, I didn’t know the stories were enjoyed and felt I was ranting haha. Eagle Park Slim was a really amazing person to get to interact with and was such a memorable and kind person 🖤 ua-cam.com/video/jb7aUp1VEUk/v-deo.htmlsi=RHkg0q85Qjl1_ue1
I like my Orange Micro Dark into a 4x12. If you crank the gain, and hit it with a RAT, it sounds great. I use a Ghost Echo in the effects loop. I primarily use a Mesa/Boogie Rectoverb 50. Every voicing except the Modern sounds killer for stoner metal (the modern sounds good for other kinds of metal). They are often less than $1000 used on Reverb.
Traynor YBA-1 deserves a mention for a solid inexpensive guitar amp. They were developed by a guitar tech in Toronto to fix the problems he was encountering with the Mashalls and Fenders that he was fixing at the time. The amp is meant to be used by gigging musicians and for 40watts they are LOUD
I like tube amps. I tried a few solid state amps as well as some modeling amps and they all seem to have this hi-end fizz that screws with my ears. I use to own a Boss Katana mkii head. For me it did not take pedals that well and had some digital artifacts when driven hard. Then I got an Orange Crush 120 pro head and sold the the Katana right after because it blew the Katana out of the water. Later I got Marshal Origin 50 tube head and that's when noticed that some of the hi-end fizz was gone that the solid state amps had. I had trouble dialing in a good tone though. I tried out a used Orange Dual Terror and traded the Marshal for it. The Dual Terror's fat channel takes pedals good and sounded better, but lacked all the tone controls. I sold the Dual Terror to help pay for a Matamp GT120 (that I'm still waiting for since June). Recently I was able to try out a used Peavy Classic 50 212 tube combo and traded the Crush 120 for it. I found it's clean channel to take pedals better than the Crush with no hi-end fizz at all and was able to hook it up to my 412 cab. The Peavy Dooms!
Really curious to see a demo of the Supercrush 100 that looks at what happens at gig volume. All of my experience with solid state is that it sounds great until pushed to gig volume and then starts breaking up in a nasty way. The demos online have all been about how ‘tube-like’ it sounds but the reason I have stuck with my heavy-ass tube head is that it stays clean and absolutely thumps at gig levels, so it doesn’t mess with all my pedal goodness \m/
I feel like a way to overlooked budget SS for Doom and sludge is a Laney Linebacker 100 reverb!!!... Push/pull function like the AoR, true spring reverb tank AND separate inputs for channels A and B... PLUS a mix (combined) channel input like the Sunn Beta Lead... Way underrated and you can usually find them used for sub $150.
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i have both the micro dark terror and super crush 100 ...and i love them both running thru my Marshall 4x12 ...also, at times I'll use a Russian big muff and/or a fuzz face knock off with them !!(chefs kiss)
I have an orange micro dark, my first amp, it sounds amazing boosted with a drone master, with the volume up and gain low it gets tighter but in a sludgy old school way. The amp lacks low end but I think I could fix it with an EQ in the loop. Doom Tones here on UA-cam makes good use of a katana, he runs pedals through the acoustic channel because it's super clean .
Boss Katana is such a fucking amazing amp. It’s really hard to hate. I’m a pedal head so I have too many pedals and I don’t really use the katana built in effects, it when I do, I get lost in a flood of fun.
I have a gh100l, where I live you can buy a vh100 for less than 300 bucks...the aor is very hard to find, I wasn't impressed when I tried it in the studio, but live is crushing huge
Lol, didn't expect to be throwing hands for this video. Seriously though, for the bedroom musician and even beginner gigs Boss Katanas are a good option but we all know that connectivity and modeling is gonna turn out a problem and encumbrance in a decade or so it's generally better to just get the analog versions of your effects too, your average stomp boxes retain more value into the future than any digital ones, some even gain value ludicrously through appreciation if they are small enough production, but on a budget the Boss is a good start and helps you figure out what you want to sound like.
I had a boss katana mk1 50 watt combo and it just wasn't loud enough it sounded great but you couldn't go out into a cab.the orange crush pro just didnt sound right with any of my cabs guitar or bass and i got a pretty big variety of speaker cabs.ive always been a crate and peavey guy for some reason which ate hit or miss and amazingly my fender frontman 100 is great for about everything.havent tried it too loud yet.and yes a hi watt is my dream amp clean headroom for years.musicman amps are great too
Fender Deville would def be top of my affordable list. The top of my list is an all tube 100w that you can find for 300$ but I won't mention what because I want to keep it cheap. Blows some of these out the water for price point.
Great video,great fuzzlord! I got a question as a noob doom bassist, would a 100W head and cabs that are 600W work for a rehearsal and possible small gig? Thanks for all the cool videos.
@@shallowgravycornchowder5546 Thanks man, so it wouldn't just be standard to say: 8 OHMS can take a 100W? I feel like there is a lot of math going into gettin a rig;)
@@KristianPerry ive only modded the green overdrive channel, replaced the hard clipping diodes with soft clipping LEDs in the feedback loop of the opamp. Thats just one thing.
Got the Mig 50 few days ago.. FUCKING LOUD AND AMAZING! I owned a CR120 and SC100 before this, and although they Sound good, this one blows them away, for only a bit more money. Got mine on Sale for 530€.. basically cheaper than the Super Crush! Use it with a boss os2 or russian muff, Channel 1. It’s all you‘ll ever need!
I played on a friend’s Hiwatt head once for a few gigs with an old Rat pedal for drive and could not concur more! And yeah why did you trade it?? 👍🏽🙏🏽✊🏽🤘🏽
It's hard to get much from this video without demos... I like my crush 35, and my crush pro 60, but I gotta tell ya - every version of the boss katana is absolutely amazing, and easy to underestimate. I'll take my Katana mkii Artist combo over all these combined. Even if you only use it as a pedal platform, the EQ options and the power are worth every penny.
I use a Hilbish Sol Invictus (sunn beta lead preamp clone) through the effects loop of my Crush 60 and feel like it takes the pedal just as well as my old mk1 Katana. But the dirty channel gain on the Orange cranked sounds better with the Invictus than the Katana gain. Better than a Rat or Fuzz Face as well.
@@ottoakin5920 speaker is a huge part of it too. The katana 50 speaker isn't great. Could get a lot of mileage out of swapping it out. The Artist version has the waza craft katana speaker which is a 100w modern take on a greenback, and it's a delight. I put a British celestion v 30 in my crush 60, and made that sound a lot better too. As far as the katana gain - there's so much variability, between the different amp voices, the variation switch, the 30-something boost options, and all the eq parameters....you can make it do/work with just about anything
@@jamiebriggs8277 I think the mk1 speaker was even worse than 2 haha. I would always use the clean channel to maximize the preamp platform idea. Always was a little too choppy or noisy for me. I had to turn the onboard boost off every time I turned it on too. I don't think most people have dealt with a mk1 but that's what I got on Craigslist a few years back.
I don’t play the guitar but I like listening to you talk about this stuff
Get the orange crush 20, an epiphone of some kind, tune it to drop D or drop C and just have fun. Playing guitar is so fun man, give it a try
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I can’t recommend the orange crush 20 enough it’s such a beast for doom,cleans,and surprisingly 7 string chugs
This for sure! I had an Orange crush 35RT sitting at home when I took a few years off playing electric guitar, and I just got back into it and that amp on clean with a nice fuzz or overdrive gets me exactly into some good stoner/doom and thrash tones.
The Crush 12 is also a banger for cheap. Been my practice amp for years, and takes everything from e standard stuff all the way down to drop D 8 string chugs and sound way better than you'd expect it to lol
I'll be waiting patiently for the Super Crush 100 demo!
Peavey Windsor, VTM, butcher, carvin x100b, carvin MTS, jet city, etc 🤘🏼🔥
I snagged a Windsor for $200. A steal.
I use a CR120 on the clean channel into a Marshall 4x12. Love it!
Nice setup!
I do this but with an orange 2x12 and it sounds great at bedroom volume.
I can't stress enough how helpul that information is; "buy used"! Yeah, I also hated the Katana to it's very core. Actually... a dope pedal platform and super versatile. Sounds amazing, for the money imo
Old peavey heads from the 70s are the ones for me! Takes pedal’s amazingly well! Also traynors are another good choice.
Old peavey's are so underrated, they've got some super snarly tones hidden in them. I like to bi amp mine with a blues jr, I dial in my bassy tones in the Jr and let the Peavey handle the high ends and distortion. Its also lots of fun to run pedals into only one of the amps to get cool layered sounds, I typically run a octave or modulation into one!
Agree! Any solid state head from the 70s to mid 80s will be awesome for guitar or bass.
I saw you had Quilter on the screen briefly. I bought a Quilter Overdrive 200 and I'm not looking back. I'm going to quote Nate Newton of Converge and Old Man Gloom fame when he said, "they can sound like an old JCM800 and a bassman if you twiddle the knobs." Bands like Thou, Cave In, amd Goatwhore have been using these amps. 200 watts of solid state tone that surprisingly sounded tube like.
I was hoping he'd mention them but yes. I've even seen photos of Matt Pike using a quilter live.
I just got a problock 200 for just over $300 shipped with the case.
Great pedal platform, the limiter on it is amazing to use and holy **** they are ridiculously loud. Just as any of the other doom staple amps.
Toneblock 200 & 201s also sell quite cheap on the used market.
Super stoked about this channel. These amps gave me food for thought. Running a Blackstar 100w Solid State amp right now. On clean running pedals it does the trick. For now… my eye is on a Bassman.
I wish I would have included that amp also!!
Bassman? Thank look at the MIG-50!
@@EHX do not fret! In this time frame a MiG came into our shop. I may be acquiring it. The MiG is a great amp. In the hands of an amp tech it’s even better!
I love your honesty, Jason!. You admitted your bias towards the Katana being wrong till you heard it. It's a solid amp for what it does and the price point.
I appreciate the comment and I do my best to keep things honest in these videos 🙏
I love my micro dark, I use it as a preamp into my marshall origin 50c, with a boss ds-1 for when I want extra oomph, it sounds really good.
Definitely worth checking out the orange voiced joyo bantamp (the meteor). More features than the micro oranges - 2 channels, effects loop, bluetooth aux (I thought this was dumb at first but use it a lot for playing along from my phone!) - for a similar price. I either use it slightly overdriven for a pedal platform or throw a green ringer in front of the dirt channel for crushing octave tones
The Joyo bantamp series should really be mentioned. 20 watt heads with tube preamps, can drive a 4x12 cab with no problems. Only about $160. The Meteor is an Orange clone and the Zombie a Mesa Boogie.
Peavey Bandit RedStripe version. Super budget on the used market and very versatile. IMO.
This is what I have. I replaced the stock speaker with a celestion redback and it came to life. Lead channel absolutely rips now and you can play doom as is unless you specifically want to play stoner doom. All transistor harshness gone, all 112 combo boxiness gone, huge bottom end, just sounds really full and more like a 412.
MIG50 for life!! I've had mine for many years and i can affirm that it's a damn tank. Killer showcase of other amps as well! Great video! Cheers!
Peavy Windsor is a kick ass amp too, as well as a Krank Rev1. I currently use all Krank on my rig and I put the gain on half and push it with a big muff and the tone is monstrous.
Just ordered a Super Crush 100. I really dig the sound of that amp. Orange went analog on the design which is why I feel it sounds as good as it does. Great video!
A peavey supreme 160 with a stacked rat and hm2. You will be blown away
Tube power amps. Peavey 50/50, 120/120w,,dean Markley 100/100, carvin 20/20-100/100, Marshall 9000 amps, are a great value and they are loud! Just add a your favorite preamp pedal and a stereo verb/delay and you got a huge sounding rig.
Music Man combos from the late 1970's are great examples of this. I just cleaned up and tested a Music Man RP 65 for the shop I work at and WOW. So loud, so clean until you dime the Gain or hit it with a dirt pedal, and very clear even at high gain. Reminds me of Yob in all the best ways.
I gotta give an honourable mention to the Peavey Windsor 100w head. I got mine 2 years ago for 250 AUD and it's such a beast.
One more vote for the super crush. I run mine on the clean channel and put a rat, acapulco gold, or an fz-2 clone in front of it. It does exactly what I want 😀
I do the same with mine ...clean channel with a Russian big muff and/or a fuzz face knock off for killer tone
Awesome Chanell. My personal favorite cheap amps are the Peavy Mark III and the Mark VI. The MK3 is 100 watt solid state and the MK6 is 400W. You can find both used for less than 200$ last i checked. I think I paid 100$ for the mk3 and 140$ for the mk6 at a pawn shop. Great tone and plenty of power to play live gigs.
I thought the Mark III was a 300w bass head?
2 other Affordable amps for Doom Metal, Stoner Rock, and Sludge Metal are The Maestro M-15 which is a great sounding little amp released by Gibson in the 1960's but you can find them on the used amps market in some places for 36-40 dollars, and the Fender Champion which is a modeling amp but you set it to the Metal voicings plug effects pedals such as Fuzz, Distortion, Wah, Reverb, and Delay into the footswitch jack, and turn on any of the amps onboard effects you've got a Doom Metal, Stoner Rock, or Sludge Metal sound also you can get Fender Champions for $219.00 and they might sound like crap but they'll work for Doom Metal guitarists who are on a budget
Orange micro dark, through a 1x12 cab with an eminence v128. Sounds really good to me!
I got one of your shirts from Metal Head Hippie... Jeff ROCKS!
Oh i believe you with the hiwatt. Saw Yob live and GODS DAMN
I own a orange th30 and i recently got into rack gear,so i decided to build a rack amp system using pedals as a preamp,kind of like the orange pedalbaby but mch cheaper and more usefull since i can plug in two lines and use it as a stereo amp.
I have this HiWatt! I love it and it absolutely rips with the right pedals! I use both channels combined and it’s just gorgeous. For home rockers there are some high quality captures for your daw as well.
Had a bassman 70 for years, definitely a cleaner sound with less breakup than the 50 watt bassmans. It is a 70 watt amp. It actually does use a linear output transformer to get the extra 20 watts out of a 50 watt tube configuration.
I thought you said "I had a Bassman for 70 years".
I had to do a double take
mk1 peavey valveking,50w all tube power for $200 Canadian(used). converted mine to a 50w head.
Some really solid choices here. I live about 15mins drive from Hiwatt in the UK. The guys are awesome.
Lambcopper678 is a fan of the Katana head as a pedal.platform. Katanas are hard to beat in price/performance/versatility.
I really want one of the new Laney Foundry heads to mess with.
I personally was in love with the Jet City JCA50h. especially for the price. Hard to find nowadays but if you see one in the 2nd hand market, grab it asap.
How did I forget about Jet City?!?!? Great addition the the list
I second this, Jet City are the ultimate metal sleeper amps, bought mine new £250($300) about 7 years ago, and I have not used my 5150 or JCM800 since, they are that good, JCA50 all the way
I also forgot that they were the basis for hovercraft amps haha, so glad that is over 🎃
was not aware of that :D fun fact though @@FuzzlordEffects
Only 5 years ago you could pick up a Laney AOR in the UK for about £200 ($240/250) they are more expensive now,. For about 20 years Laney AOR's and Soundcity 50's were the ultimate budget Tube heads in the UK. Soundcity's would go for 150-200 until the recent (ish) re issuing and and re imagining of Sound City (yeh thanks Mike Fortin...F*cking sh*t ballz)
Soundcity's were basically Hiwatts for a fraction of the price. Now they go for £800 ($950/1000) used.
When I was at school(25years ago) I knew 3 different peeps who bought one for £120-150 ($170) and they were their first tube heads, like an entry level thing. The prices remained the same for ages, until the recent reissue thing, which I must confess just p*ssed me off. I find it obnoxious that they are going for 2k+ new. As I type this there is a 60's 100 watt going for 5.5k I mean FFS, that would have cost £500 ($600) MAX only 5-8 years ago.
I have the Orange Crush 12 watt and I really like it.. I'm considering the 60 watt version for rehearsal situations
Awesome video! I would say that one amp that’s criminally overlooked is the Orange Pedal Baby. It’s essentially just the clean side of the Super Crush. I’ve owned both and I thought the crunch channel on the Super Crush was pretty gross. The Pedal Baby is an incredible pedal platform or a great amp to use as a slave or an additional amp for your wet/dry or wet/dry/wet setup or as a power amp… the list goes on and it’s very affordable.
Another amp that I just acquired for a steal of a deal is the VHT D-50. It’s a “Dumble Clone” I’m no Dumble aficionado but I read that is was a great clean amp that reacted well to dynamics. So I gave it a shot. A 50 Watt all tube hardwired amp that I payed less than 700 bucks for. It’s got two channels, fx loop, bass, bright and mid switches and plenty of volume and headroom. I’m guessing it’s really similar to the MIG 50, but unlike the MiG the VHT has an effects loop.
Those are my opinions. Lee up the killer content.
I've got a Bassman 10 combo and its excellent for doom or really any genre for that matter, extremely versatile amp! Plus you don't really find 4x10 combo amps like that nowadays, great for gigging. They look super heavy but you'd be suprised!
That's awesome,I've been wanting to pick one up. 👍
Shhh...
Back in the late 80s i had a solid state 100w Marshall 2×12 combo that cost me £50, my brother had a 1974 Hiwatt DR103 and he said I'll swap my Hiwatt for your Marshall combo. So i got a Custom 100 for £50! I used to play it through two 4×12s with a Boss HM2 and a Boss EQ pedal doing covers like Procreation of the Wicked and Electric Funeral. Back then most of the bands we played with were using rack mounted stuff, and they'd smirk thinking who's this guy with the ancient old valve amp? The old Hiwatt soon showed 'em!
That is an amazing score!
As doomsters let’s just face it small and quiet, bed room amps aren’t in our view-cab or wheel house. TH30 through matching 2x-12 is what we consider practice amp. Or something like a VHT ULTRA-6 head version through a 1x12, 2x12, or even a full stack depending on room size. I believe it’s class A 15 watts, a half power toggle stand by cutting it to 7.5watts, and built in antenuator that gradually takes it from 7.5 slowly all the way to one watt as you turn lower and lower. Right now my bedroom practice amp is a 1968 Fender Bassman with a matching dual showman cab with the original 2x12 Jensens which has the over sized cab. To keep it harnessed back I used the JHS little black box for a voltage cut and when I’m playing heavy stuff I just keep the volume all the way down and use together or separately the volume knob on my Bigg Muff, Boss Hyperfuzz, Beringher SF300 Superfuzz, and or my Keeley El Rey which has both vintage voices or modern voices toggle switch making it in my opinion the best Plexi Super Lead pedal out there. Anyway when you turn up the volume knob it automatically acts as a preamp hence why my volume stays on 1 which is all the way down, it doesn’t have a zero hahaha. That’s probably my favorite option. It’s just the curse of being cool and playing Stoner/Doom/Sludge/Blackened any genre!!
I had two sound city mk4s in the past, basically Hiwatt Dr103s (The SC were dsesigned by dave reeves before he started hiwatt) without the master violume and yes they are the best amps ever they take pedals so well as they have huge headroom! and througha cab with Fane 122190s or creshendos cant be beat!
That Orange Crush 20 is on my list as well!
nice!
I still have my 78 DR-103, incredible amp. Vintage Traynor amps are also worth checking out, the Bassmaster especially.
Just an idea for a semi affordable all tube amp head I would suggest checking out an Ampeg V4B. On either guitar or bass you can't go wrong with that amp and if you can find one used locally they can be pretty affordable. Even new they won't totally break your bank account.
Went with a Crust 20 a few years back, added an external switch jack and running it through a Harley Benton G112 for extra low end beef.
Where is the damn jam with the orange cr120 with the story of the guy who used to paint hearts on his face???? Man i miss that video, i loved that jam !
Just reposted it, I didn’t know the stories were enjoyed and felt I was ranting haha.
Eagle Park Slim was a really amazing person to get to interact with and was such a memorable and kind person 🖤
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Some honorable mentions: Orange Dark Terror, Orange OR15 and Blackstar HT100! (This last one is the one I currently have and it kicks ass!)
hell yeah!
Fender Bassman are incredible!!! And definitely agree, the HiWatt rules them all🤘
yes and yes man!!
Can I Doom on a Fender Rumble 40? I,m a new player-Bass🎸👍👍
Yep, that amp will give you breakup and bottom end you are looking for if you drive the amp with active pickups or a pre-amp/overdrive effect.
I have a micro dark and its awesome. With a rat and an overdrive you can get doom/drone tones.
That's the way I'm going to go.
I like my Orange Micro Dark into a 4x12. If you crank the gain, and hit it with a RAT, it sounds great. I use a Ghost Echo in the effects loop.
I primarily use a Mesa/Boogie Rectoverb 50. Every voicing except the Modern sounds killer for stoner metal (the modern sounds good for other kinds of metal). They are often less than $1000 used on Reverb.
I have the Boss katana artist mkii head with the matching 2x12 and it sounds great with fuzz pedals.
I just got a orange crush pro 120 and it’s awesome for stoner and doom
Hell yeah!
If you get a chance grab one and enjoy I plugged my old first act into it and the high on fire riffs were so good
Traynor YBA-1 deserves a mention for a solid inexpensive guitar amp.
They were developed by a guitar tech in Toronto to fix the problems he was encountering with the Mashalls and Fenders that he was fixing at the time.
The amp is meant to be used by gigging musicians and for 40watts they are LOUD
Awesome video!! Just a quick question, are these also recommended for stoner rock? Thanks in advance :D
These would be great for that too yes!
@@FuzzlordEffects Sorry to bother again but what about guitar effects?
I like tube amps. I tried a few solid state amps as well as some modeling amps and they all seem to have this hi-end fizz that screws with my ears.
I use to own a Boss Katana mkii head. For me it did not take pedals that well and had some digital artifacts when driven hard.
Then I got an Orange Crush 120 pro head and sold the the Katana right after because it blew the Katana out of the water.
Later I got Marshal Origin 50 tube head and that's when noticed that some of the hi-end fizz was gone that the solid state amps had. I had trouble dialing in a good tone though.
I tried out a used Orange Dual Terror and traded the Marshal for it. The Dual Terror's fat channel takes pedals good and sounded better, but lacked all the tone controls.
I sold the Dual Terror to help pay for a Matamp GT120 (that I'm still waiting for since June).
Recently I was able to try out a used Peavy Classic 50 212 tube combo and traded the Crush 120 for it. I found it's clean channel to take pedals better than the Crush with no hi-end fizz at all and was able to hook it up to my 412 cab.
The Peavy Dooms!
Yay, a new Fuzzlord video!
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Really curious to see a demo of the Supercrush 100 that looks at what happens at gig volume. All of my experience with solid state is that it sounds great until pushed to gig volume and then starts breaking up in a nasty way. The demos online have all been about how ‘tube-like’ it sounds but the reason I have stuck with my heavy-ass tube head is that it stays clean and absolutely thumps at gig levels, so it doesn’t mess with all my pedal goodness \m/
I use the joyo zombie head with a Randall cab. Takes the fuzz pedal great and sounds really good imo
No mention of the JOYO Bantamp Meteor II XL!! I own one and it sounds good. 20 watt hybrid 2 channel Lunch box head. Also have the BOSS Katana 50.
I feel like a way to overlooked budget SS for Doom and sludge is a Laney Linebacker 100 reverb!!!... Push/pull function like the AoR, true spring reverb tank AND separate inputs for channels A and B... PLUS a mix (combined) channel input like the Sunn Beta Lead... Way underrated and you can usually find them used for sub $150.
Just took a chance on a blue voodoo 120. 😂 Bought it 2 days ago.
Orange Super Crush is sooo good! I love mine! So dope!
I TOTALLY want a Laney AOR. I actually have the crush 20 rt and it's a great little amp. I wanna play around with it by changing the speaker.
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i have both the micro dark terror and super crush 100 ...and i love them both running thru my Marshall 4x12 ...also, at times I'll use a Russian big muff and/or a fuzz face knock off with them !!(chefs kiss)
I have an orange micro dark, my first amp, it sounds amazing boosted with a drone master, with the volume up and gain low it gets tighter but in a sludgy old school way. The amp lacks low end but I think I could fix it with an EQ in the loop. Doom Tones here on UA-cam makes good use of a katana, he runs pedals through the acoustic channel because it's super clean .
If you can find one a Fender rumble 100 wt or a 350 rumble combo with 2x10s these are great for solid state bass amps.
Boss Katana is such a fucking amazing amp. It’s really hard to hate. I’m a pedal head so I have too many pedals and I don’t really use the katana built in effects, it when I do, I get lost in a flood of fun.
Great video, love all your picks, I think the Laney Gh100L and the GH50L are also killer Doom amp too I own both and an AOR 50 .
I have a gh100l, where I live you can buy a vh100 for less than 300 bucks...the aor is very hard to find, I wasn't impressed when I tried it in the studio, but live is crushing huge
My go to is a Orange Rocker Terror 15 with a rat.
If you’re in the St. Louis area, J Gravity Strings has a Hiwatt Dr
Lol, didn't expect to be throwing hands for this video.
Seriously though, for the bedroom musician and even beginner gigs Boss Katanas are a good option but we all know that connectivity and modeling is gonna turn out a problem and encumbrance in a decade or so it's generally better to just get the analog versions of your effects too, your average stomp boxes retain more value into the future than any digital ones, some even gain value ludicrously through appreciation if they are small enough production, but on a budget the Boss is a good start and helps you figure out what you want to sound like.
I bought boss katana cuz im a bedroom guitarist and it's extremely versatile.
Music man 130s do good. And I love my super crush. It does the thing.
I had a boss katana mk1 50 watt combo and it just wasn't loud enough it sounded great but you couldn't go out into a cab.the orange crush pro just didnt sound right with any of my cabs guitar or bass and i got a pretty big variety of speaker cabs.ive always been a crate and peavey guy for some reason which ate hit or miss and amazingly my fender frontman 100 is great for about everything.havent tried it too loud yet.and yes a hi watt is my dream amp clean headroom for years.musicman amps are great too
Thanks for the vid. Do you have any boss katana doom tones you wanna share?
Fender Deville would def be top of my affordable list. The top of my list is an all tube 100w that you can find for 300$ but I won't mention what because I want to keep it cheap. Blows some of these out the water for price point.
EHX MIG 50 reissue is probably pretty good as a pedal platform its pretty bassmanie LMAO nvm you already knew i just got to it in the video good stuff
The price on the Katina is on point. However the HiWatt is great for the money too.
I got a 2 by 12 black star and I use a fuzzlord and boost pedal and it works just fine
If you get the Super Crush 100 you should do a comparison with the older model the Crush Pro 120.
I have a Dynacord Imperator 80W Tubeamp. Works well for Guitar and Bass and with a Acapulco Gold in front it's earthshaking :D
I like this series
you missed the Traynor YBA1! Ultimate budget Doom/Stoner metal amp. Cheers!
I knew I was missing something!
Recently picked up an Orange Crush 35RT and man on the clean channel with a behringer superfuzz its nasty.
I always go to offer up these days. Found my two Sunn 4x12 towers for $85 and two Model 3 2x12 for $80 in Phoenix
Would you suggest the 40w HiWatt that they're selling now?
Great video,great fuzzlord! I got a question as a noob doom bassist, would a 100W head and cabs that are 600W work for a rehearsal and possible small gig? Thanks for all the cool videos.
Just make sure and check to make sure the OHMS on the cab can handle the amp
@@shallowgravycornchowder5546 Thanks man, so it wouldn't just be standard to say: 8 OHMS can take a 100W? I feel like there is a lot of math going into gettin a rig;)
Ive been running a Randall RH200SC for 6 years now, ive modded it heavily but its clean channel achieves close to that of a hiwatt
What kind of mods? I'm not sure I've heard a lot about Randall clean tones.
@@KristianPerry ive only modded the green overdrive channel, replaced the hard clipping diodes with soft clipping LEDs in the feedback loop of the opamp. Thats just one thing.
Got the Mig 50 few days ago.. FUCKING LOUD AND AMAZING!
I owned a CR120 and SC100 before this, and although they Sound good, this one blows them away, for only a bit more money. Got mine on Sale for 530€.. basically cheaper than the Super Crush!
Use it with a boss os2 or russian muff, Channel 1. It’s all you‘ll ever need!
I use a peavey vt classic or a red stripe bandit. Both were like $200
I'm deciding between the Micro Dark and the Orange combo. I like the combo because it has reverb but otherwise I like the Micro Dark.
I played on a friend’s Hiwatt head once for a few gigs with an old Rat pedal for drive and could not concur more! And yeah why did you trade it?? 👍🏽🙏🏽✊🏽🤘🏽
I guess Laney dualtop and lead top are good choices on budget. Not tubes ok but really great heads.
Thoughts on an orange pedal baby and a kuro t120?
It's hard to get much from this video without demos...
I like my crush 35, and my crush pro 60, but I gotta tell ya - every version of the boss katana is absolutely amazing, and easy to underestimate.
I'll take my Katana mkii Artist combo over all these combined. Even if you only use it as a pedal platform, the EQ options and the power are worth every penny.
I use a Hilbish Sol Invictus (sunn beta lead preamp clone) through the effects loop of my Crush 60 and feel like it takes the pedal just as well as my old mk1 Katana. But the dirty channel gain on the Orange cranked sounds better with the Invictus than the Katana gain. Better than a Rat or Fuzz Face as well.
@@ottoakin5920 speaker is a huge part of it too. The katana 50 speaker isn't great. Could get a lot of mileage out of swapping it out. The Artist version has the waza craft katana speaker which is a 100w modern take on a greenback, and it's a delight.
I put a British celestion v 30 in my crush 60, and made that sound a lot better too.
As far as the katana gain - there's so much variability, between the different amp voices, the variation switch, the 30-something boost options, and all the eq parameters....you can make it do/work with just about anything
@@jamiebriggs8277 I think the mk1 speaker was even worse than 2 haha. I would always use the clean channel to maximize the preamp platform idea. Always was a little too choppy or noisy for me. I had to turn the onboard boost off every time I turned it on too. I don't think most people have dealt with a mk1 but that's what I got on Craigslist a few years back.
A used Marshall 40c can be found for under $500. Great Value. Just keep it on the green channel and hit it with a Muff.
Ceriatone makes some great clones, including hi watt
I've got the orange 35rt, it's got a good doom tone compared with the behringer sf-300
Thoughts on rocker 15 ?
Always want to try one! Maybe one day I can talk orange into sending one over to check out for everyone 🔊