Very interesting history and hearing about the amount of work that wee tractor has done. Your dad's 100% right, tractors should be used and enjoyed not just sitting in a shed.
Phil I love the Thursday videos please keep them going and your dad is 100% right there is no point having a tractor sitting in a shed to look at. The enjoyment is working them. Great video
I have a 35 3 cylinder without a diff lock reconditioned the engine 2 year ago getting the draft control sorted and set up tractor not painted in its full glorious working clothes have a soon to be potato field to plough for planting She ploughs the ground and plants the spuds with a Ferguson bell dropper sprays the spuds hardy sprayer and digs them with a ransomes spinner and kicks the hay with a millipede and rows it with a hay bob and draws it all in with flat bed trailer and brings the turf home too want one of those 311 harvesters after seeing your videos I love using her for the enjoyment and pleasure Have a TVO T20 too I restored her and she also gets put into work too love the smell of the kerosene burning usually used to draw the seed to the field and draw the spuds out of the field using a link box Love the videos love the vintage especially being put to work what they were made for and the interesting knowledge
Great video Phils. For the tvo just mix four parts kerosene to 1 part petrol. Also use lead replacement in the petrol. No castor oil or any other ingredients.
Excellent video. Beautiful tractor. Phil has great knowledge. One thing, the 35 did come with a foot throttle, the 35 industrial had a foot throttle as standard. Always look forward to vintage Thursday's!!
Phil & Father Phil, there are a few more differences between the MF35 & MF35X other than the engine... the backend gear ratios are set up differently, the 35X backend is slower to compensate for its faster rpm engine so giving both tractors the same ground speed for pto work for example, diff lock was optional not standard on the 35X... some left the factory without it, MP was fitted to some 35s, I have one... non diesels built during the 35X era when MP was an option were badged MF35 as they didn’t have the “eXtra power” diesel fitted. The MF135 was very similar to 35X, similar hp but direct injection and overall heavier build, a bit beefed up over the 35X and 3 point linkage response control on the RHS of the centre housing. Really enjoyed the history of your tractor, I have an ex-UK late MF35 as well.
Nice one Phil and father Phil. That's a great bit of information. Great to see the 35 working it way through the family. Have ye got a 135 to look at, if not, sure go back to basics and have a look at the 20
MF35 Deluxe is like the 35x by way of having the diff lock but not the multipower if my reading is correct. great to hear the stories about these great tractors
Very interesting video with lots of information about your 35. Thank you Father Phil for the history on your 35 and about the history about were she came from and what she was used for. I look forward to more vintage Thursdays Phil on your tractors and implements. Great videos two Phil's keep them coming
Fair play men great video as always 👍 . Good to see you went ahead with the vintage Thursday nice way to break the week up. Great to see that old girl getting plenty of use. Keep up the great work. 🇮🇪
Good video mate. I understand the 35 v 35x 'Identity crisis' which I explored at a basic level on one of my videos here on UA-cam. Greetings from 'Down Under' (Australia)
To the best of my knowledge Phil, that 35 is what they called s MF35 deluxe. It was the model that was the last of 35s to promote the 35x that was coming down the line. We have 1 the same, minus the diff lock. It has all the same, long mudguards, wide steps and the cover over the fan belts. I was told ,after some several debates in the dealers, a man that I worked with had served his time in a dealer in 60s/70s and remembered this. Apparently they were made for 6months prior to the launch of the 35x in July 1962(correct me if I'm wrong in year). From memory ours is registered Jan 62 ( or what ever yr it was ). I must just check our serial number to compare to what you said. Your dad is a world or knowledge!
Nice one Phil. I uesd to drive a 35.x and 135 when I first started. Would like to see your 135. I do have a cab for a 135 sat around. Just missing windscreen and the fiberglass roof every thing else is there. From Andy in UK 🔧🔨🚜
We have a 135 that my grandfather bought in 1969, the exact year my father was born. It was the first real tractor we just had a small steyr before but it was hardly pulling a one furrow plough. The 135 did all the work for about 25 years on the farm until we got a 590 and because it had a loader it also helped to build a few houses and also was snow plowing in the winter because when there was a lot of snow the neighbours steyr kept getting stuck. Im so glad we still have it and to this day it does all the normal loader work and we also load lumber in the forest and onto our little sawmill. Even after about 20000 hours with just a headgasked change everything works just the pto clutch is hard to engage. Im so glad we still got it and im looking forward to restore it sometime. 👍
interesting i knew arter bros they closed down recently they were near bridge just outside canterbury they had a good reputation and were a good blokes for info ,a great loss to the massy owners in the area
Nice tractor 👍 Daddy's got alot of knowledge he does. Interesting to learn about European (IRISH ) farmers machinery and what they went through . 🍺 Better get on to work now here in the USA
35x didn't have the doors at radiator,it had extended fan couling but looks like a 35x in every other way, we used ours until the steering wheel was just metal,it did a lot of work
I believe that early 35xs did not necessarily have diff-locks as the early brochures listed the diff-lock as an optional extra. Also, the engine remained an A3-152 for early ones. In the end I believe the only reliable test is the PTO gearing. The 35x has a 540 PTO speed of 1700 engine rpm while the 35 has a 540 pto speed of 1500 engine rpm. Just about everything else could be changed after the event. For example the DPA pump was differently set up on the 35x and placarded as such but how many have had this changed over the years? Also, the tractormeter could have been swapped if it failed and 35x ones are thin on the ground now.
I worked from 1964 to 1977 at a MF main agent and from memory the difference between the 35 and the 35X was the engine, the engine changed from the A3152 to the AD3152 the latter being AD for direct injection. If you look at the cylinder head on a 35 there are 3 pre combustion chamber caps on the side each held on with three nuts, the 35X didnt have these the injectors went straight into the combustion chamber, this was the same engine as the 135. I also think the the liners were changed from cast iron to chromehard at the dame time.
I thought a 35 has an a3.152 perkins non direct injection engine and the other four cylinder engine the 23c that was avaliable and a 35x has a ad3.152 perkins direct injection engine. The difference was seen with injectors on the a3.153 was vertical and had swirl cambers while the ad3.152 injectors was at an angle. The letters before the serial number on the plate on the dash will tell you the chassis type, the engine and wether it had a dual clutch or not or multi or a diff lock. My 35 has snm and the 6 digit number and that i found out it was an stardard chassis(S), a3.152(N), dual clutch(M) and the 6 digit code gave the year it was produced (1961).
I know the difference the 35x has diff lock but the latest 35 not 35x have diff lock but the bolts on the I think dyna mount are different on both tractors
My grandfather had a 1954 fergy 20 with a cab on it which he bought new from England and was drove straight from the boat to mayo and I was working it as a winter yard tractor until this time last year
Interesting. Not at 35x had the diff lock. It was still an option. The 35x has different belt speed rpm to the 35, I see yours has the 35 belt speed. 👍
Hello Phil , My name is Fiachra Finnegan and I’m from Glasson, I have a massey Ferguson 228 square Baler and the chain driving the knotter cog broke last year . I. Was shown how to retime it and reset all back up unfortunately about 15years ago , wondering would you ask your father would he know how to reset it or would he recommend someone ye being massey enthusiast s thanks ,
As far as 35/35x the diff lock has absolutely nothing to do with it, diff lock was an option on both, the only 35x that had diff lock as standard is the multi power version
Hi phill great video again . We have a few 35s but the star is a 35x multi power with diff lock livedrive and a foot throttle. Will you ask father phill if yere one has live drive
@@FARMERPHIL3690 im from ballymahon i just wanted to know did you do the dyno to alternator conversion or did you leave it standerd i have a gold belly fe35
@@TwoCylinderUK it was an option, but most dealers ordered 35x and 135 tractors with diff lock, it was dropped as an optional extra in the MF price list about 1966, as it was standard, and not an option
@@landrovertractorboat Thanks Adam. Yes I googled them after I left the message. Do you know why they packed up? Were they still Massey at the point they packed up? I think they were but not certain.
Jasus phil there was a world of work done with those tractors years ago and especially when they had a loader on them, I always wonder why you call your dad father phil when his name is derek whys that lad?? He is some man for the history may his memory last him well, I learnt to drive on an international 444 and also in the low box I was 6 years old.
@@OliverLee390 The men were not talking about 135s they were talking about 35x the 35 had no diff lock and had a short pto The tractor in question is a 35x
@@OliverLee390 On your point of MF135 the earliest tractors had a round back axle but most had a long shaft then they changed to square axle which had wet brakes long shaft diff lock and handbrake
Last of 35 . Yet there is 35x engine in it as we're saying. An ya claim its original engine how is that. And on serial number it 35 . That doesn't make sense
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Phil your Dad has a great memory and is always worth listening to.
Very interesting history and hearing about the amount of work that wee tractor has done. Your dad's 100% right, tractors should be used and enjoyed not just sitting in a shed.
It's a great little tractor and still going strong for you. Your Dad's memory for dates and details etc is fantastic.
Phil I love the Thursday videos please keep them going and your dad is 100% right there is no point having a tractor sitting in a shed to look at. The enjoyment is working them. Great video
Would love to see Phil’s 135 on a vintage Thursday. Great vid👍🏻
same sham wud like to see phils 135 incher
Your father is correct, great to have the vintage bits and pieces, hardly see any of the modern tractors still going in 40 odd years
Excellent video, Father Phil has an exceptional memory, nice to have a good honest tractor with the history remembered.
Brilliant video some history phil and father phil
I have a 35 3 cylinder without a diff lock reconditioned the engine 2 year ago getting the draft control sorted and set up tractor not painted in its full glorious working clothes have a soon to be potato field to plough for planting
She ploughs the ground and plants the spuds with a Ferguson bell dropper sprays the spuds hardy sprayer and digs them with a ransomes spinner and kicks the hay with a millipede and rows it with a hay bob and draws it all in with flat bed trailer and brings the turf home too
want one of those 311 harvesters after seeing your videos
I love using her for the enjoyment and pleasure
Have a TVO T20 too I restored her and she also gets put into work too love the smell of the kerosene burning usually used to draw the seed to the field and draw the spuds out of the field using a link box
Love the videos love the vintage especially being put to work what they were made for and the interesting knowledge
Grate video. Always thought a 35x had live clutch 35 had non. Father phill Is always pleasure to listen to. Nothing better than vintage 👍keep her lit
Great video Phils. For the tvo just mix four parts kerosene to 1 part petrol. Also use lead replacement in the petrol. No castor oil or any other ingredients.
I learned to drive on one of these hauling bales in the late 60's
Excellent video. Beautiful tractor. Phil has great knowledge. One thing, the 35 did come with a foot throttle, the 35 industrial had a foot throttle as standard. Always look forward to vintage Thursday's!!
Very well done the 2 Phil's
Phil & Father Phil, there are a few more differences between the MF35 & MF35X other than the engine... the backend gear ratios are set up differently, the 35X backend is slower to compensate for its faster rpm engine so giving both tractors the same ground speed for pto work for example, diff lock was optional not standard on the 35X... some left the factory without it, MP was fitted to some 35s, I have one... non diesels built during the 35X era when MP was an option were badged MF35 as they didn’t have the “eXtra power” diesel fitted. The MF135 was very similar to 35X, similar hp but direct injection and overall heavier build, a bit beefed up over the 35X and 3 point linkage response control on the RHS of the centre housing. Really enjoyed the history of your tractor, I have an ex-UK late MF35 as well.
You are so lucky that your Dad with so much knowledge about the machinery on the farm.🚜🇮🇪☘️
Nice one Phil and father Phil.
That's a great bit of information. Great to see the 35 working it way through the family. Have ye got a 135 to look at, if not, sure go back to basics and have a look at the 20
MF35 Deluxe is like the 35x by way of having the diff lock but not the multipower if my reading is correct.
great to hear the stories about these great tractors
nice tractor, i have the dreaded four cylinder version with dual clutch, actually it does start handy enough despite its reputation 😲.
Brilliant little tractors, we have a 35 and she will outlive all the modern tractors anyway when they're broken down with electrical problems
Nice one Phil, always loved the sound of the 35, amazing to think they are becoming vintage now!
Vintage Thursday, great idea
I really enjoy the vintage Thursday videos keep up the good work!
Really enjoying these videos with Derek - keep them coming!!
Love when you do the history behind the machines or farm. Guess I will be OK till June 2021.
Love your accents. My granny was from Northern Ireland. Cheers from Ontario Canada 🇨🇦👍
Very interesting insight there lads. Good to see d main man front and centre. Think he shud be called The Memory Man 😉
Very interesting video with lots of information about your 35. Thank you Father Phil for the history on your 35 and about the history about were she came from and what she was used for. I look forward to more vintage Thursdays Phil on your tractors and implements. Great videos two Phil's keep them coming
I had a 65 industrial with power steering and foot throttle. Sorry I haven't got it now. Great tractor wide wheels on it too
well minded tractor by the looks of it, i agree with father phil, its good to put a yoke to work
Brilliant love the old school machine would love. See the old Massey digger out working
Vintage Thursday is as good as throw-back Thursday!
Fair play men great video as always 👍 . Good to see you went ahead with the vintage Thursday nice way to break the week up. Great to see that old girl getting plenty of use. Keep up the great work. 🇮🇪
Great video phil, good to hear your dad's knowledge.
Just bought a model 35 to join my model farm collection I love collecting them
One of them was the first thing I ever drove too, love the note off them!...... If only everything kept its value as well as a 35
Good video mate. I understand the 35 v 35x 'Identity crisis' which I explored at a basic level on one of my videos here on UA-cam. Greetings from 'Down Under' (Australia)
Really enjoy these antique vids
To the best of my knowledge Phil, that 35 is what they called s MF35 deluxe.
It was the model that was the last of 35s to promote the 35x that was coming down the line.
We have 1 the same, minus the diff lock. It has all the same, long mudguards, wide steps and the cover over the fan belts. I was told ,after some several debates in the dealers, a man that I worked with had served his time in a dealer in 60s/70s and remembered this. Apparently they were made for 6months prior to the launch of the 35x in July 1962(correct me if I'm wrong in year).
From memory ours is registered Jan 62 ( or what ever yr it was ). I must just check our serial number to compare to what you said.
Your dad is a world or knowledge!
Nice one Phil. I uesd to drive a 35.x and 135 when I first started. Would like to see your 135. I do have a cab for a 135 sat around. Just missing windscreen and the fiberglass roof every thing else is there. From Andy in UK 🔧🔨🚜
I got 2 grey fergie.s as well. From Andy in UK
We have a 135 that my grandfather bought in 1969, the exact year my father was born. It was the first real tractor we just had a small steyr before but it was hardly pulling a one furrow plough. The 135 did all the work for about 25 years on the farm until we got a 590 and because it had a loader it also helped to build a few houses and also was snow plowing in the winter because when there was a lot of snow the neighbours steyr kept getting stuck. Im so glad we still have it and to this day it does all the normal loader work and we also load lumber in the forest and onto our little sawmill. Even after about 20000 hours with just a headgasked change everything works just the pto clutch is hard to engage. Im so glad we still got it and im looking forward to restore it sometime. 👍
interesting i knew arter bros they closed down recently they were near bridge just outside canterbury they had a good reputation and were a good blokes for info ,a great loss to the massy owners in the area
Where did the bossman get the Delaval overalls
id guess in a shop
Exhaust to rear may have been because of loader. Our 35x was done that way.
That's a local dealer to me! That's very interesting
Great stuff guys really enjoyed this vlog
Great video
Nice tractor 👍 Daddy's got alot of knowledge he does. Interesting to learn about European (IRISH ) farmers machinery and what they went through . 🍺 Better get on to work now here in the USA
We've a 35x great yoke for yard scraper..
Great video Farmer Phil 👌🏻👍🏻
Great video Phil my niaber ha a 35 Great tractor i dig spuds with it every year .
The one I drive has a foot trotal
Excellent 😊👍
It's a 35x diff lock only on X's can have foot throttle aswell as long pto depends on where it was assembled nice one🖒🖒🖒
|Wrong...the last few hundred 35's had a diff lock and foot throttle
@@kevinmccourt5 💩
@@Hillfarmlamb Phils father even says it in the video you stupid tool
35x didn't have the doors at radiator,it had extended fan couling but looks like a 35x in every other way, we used ours until the steering wheel was just metal,it did a lot of work
Enjoyed
Will ya do a tour or all the 4wd tractors ye have
I believe that early 35xs did not necessarily have diff-locks as the early brochures listed the diff-lock as an optional extra. Also, the engine remained an A3-152 for early ones. In the end I believe the only reliable test is the PTO gearing. The 35x has a 540 PTO speed of 1700 engine rpm while the 35 has a 540 pto speed of 1500 engine rpm. Just about everything else could be changed after the event. For example the DPA pump was differently set up on the 35x and placarded as such but how many have had this changed over the years? Also, the tractormeter could have been swapped if it failed and 35x ones are thin on the ground now.
Good stuff lads
I worked from 1964 to 1977 at a MF main agent and from memory the difference between the 35 and the 35X was the engine, the engine changed from the A3152 to the AD3152 the latter being AD for direct injection. If you look at the cylinder head on a 35 there are 3 pre combustion chamber caps on the side each held on with three nuts, the 35X didnt have these the injectors went straight into the combustion chamber, this was the same engine as the 135. I also think the the liners were changed from cast iron to chromehard at the dame time.
I thought a 35 has an a3.152 perkins non direct injection engine and the other four cylinder engine the 23c that was avaliable and a 35x has a ad3.152
perkins direct injection engine. The difference was seen with injectors on the a3.153 was vertical and had swirl cambers while the ad3.152 injectors was at an angle. The letters before the serial number on the plate on the dash will tell you the chassis type, the engine and wether it had a dual clutch or not or multi or a diff lock. My 35 has snm and the 6 digit number and that i found out it was an stardard chassis(S), a3.152(N), dual clutch(M) and the 6 digit code gave the year it was produced (1961).
I know the difference the 35x has diff lock but the latest 35 not 35x have diff lock but the bolts on the I think dyna mount are different on both tractors
Great 👍 video farmer 👩🌾 Phil like 👍 the35 m f father Phil no his stuff keep safe 👍😌😌🏴🏴🇬🇧🇬🇧👩🌾👩🌾😷😷
Must take a look at my uncle's 35x to see is it a 35x now
i lov look at ur uncle 35x
Great video again fair play to father Phil.
My grandfather had a 1954 fergy 20 with a cab on it which he bought new from England and was drove straight from the boat to mayo and I was working it as a winter yard tractor until this time last year
Our 35x industrial has a foot throttle I don't know if that was aftermarket or original
When will ya pull out your 135 to fix up
Interesting. Not at 35x had the diff lock. It was still an option. The 35x has different belt speed rpm to the 35, I see yours has the 35 belt speed. 👍
There was a MF 133 also. Any info on them Father Phil
They were a single clutch everything else was the same as the 135. Father Phil
@@FARMERPHIL3690 thanks
Hello Phil , My name is Fiachra Finnegan and I’m from Glasson, I have a massey Ferguson 228 square Baler and the chain driving the knotter cog broke last year . I. Was shown how to retime it and reset all back up unfortunately about 15years ago , wondering would you ask your father would he know how to reset it or would he recommend someone ye being massey enthusiast s thanks ,
Please do your 135 and 590 4wd soon please
Is there a difference in the horse power between the 35 and the 35x.
Yes a 35x was stronger.
i thought the 35didn't have a live p.t.o,but the 35x did.
Thanks for the vid but that wind noise is shocking
If only we could control the weather
phil and father phil . can you tell me where to find the vin/chassis number ?. thanks
It's on a little plate that is riveted to the dash on a 35.
@@FARMERPHIL3690 ok cheers
Local MF dealer to me, although it closed down a few years ago.
The petrol garage still has the Arter Bros name on it, but no workshops now.
I thought the difference in the engine was that a 35x had chromed liners.
35x has diff lock not 35
As far as 35/35x the diff lock has absolutely nothing to do with it, diff lock was an option on both, the only 35x that had diff lock as standard is the multi power version
If you want to see another 35X go visit your Grandfather. He used have a 35X Multi Power.
Great little tractor drove one at farm college 👍
Hi phill great video again . We have a few 35s but the star is a 35x multi power with diff lock livedrive and a foot throttle. Will you ask father phill if yere one has live drive
Yes it has live drive(dual clutch).
You need to get father Phil a mike as hard to hear some of the info he is sharing
you should invest in a wind muffler
Do ye have any fe35 ?
Yes
@@FARMERPHIL3690 im from ballymahon i just wanted to know did you do the dyno to alternator conversion or did you leave it standerd i have a gold belly fe35
My grandad had one of them.
my granded
sorry hsam cat stood on keyboard apolgies hope have not cause offense
Very simple if it’s got diff lock it’s an X
It’s a 35x they all had the diff lock
Diff lock was optional extra, but 99percent of 35x's had it.
@@TwoCylinderUK it was an option, but most dealers ordered 35x and 135 tractors with diff lock, it was dropped as an optional extra in the MF price list about 1966, as it was standard, and not an option
Would love to see the 135
Nice tractor but the only massey your subscribers want to see is the 6290 driving out of the workshop!!
35x has diff lock
Apparently it was just an option but 99% of them had it fitted
Arter brothers are still going but I'm not sure they're Massey anymore.
Pronounced bar-am.
Arter Bros sold up in around 2015, I purchased a load of spares etc when the closed still have a load
@@landrovertractorboat
Thanks Adam. Yes I googled them after I left the message.
Do you know why they packed up?
Were they still Massey at the point they packed up? I think they were but not certain.
Jasus phil there was a world of work done with those tractors years ago and especially when they had a loader on them, I always wonder why you call your dad father phil when his name is derek whys that lad?? He is some man for the history may his memory last him well, I learnt to drive on an international 444 and also in the low box I was 6 years old.
His youtube nickname
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My granddad 35 has a foot throtle amd im pretty sure that tractor is original
Probably stolen off a 135
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PHIL HAVE YOU SÉ BROKEN DOWN ALL THE BEET HARVESTER COMPLETED. WHAT NICK ARE THEY CURRENTLY IN. CHEERS IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER INTREST GET BACK TO BE
It sounds like Trigger's broom. Lol
Exactly what I said to myself))
X means multi power dose t it
A 35x has a differential lock and a long pto
Some 135s had short pto
@@OliverLee390 35x has long shaft and I ever saw
@@kieranrafferty7545 Must've been changed in its life, 135s didn't have long pto until 1970 something, Uncle has a 1970 135 with a short pto.
@@OliverLee390 The men were not talking about 135s they were talking about 35x the 35 had no diff lock and had a short pto The tractor in question is a 35x
@@OliverLee390 On your point of MF135 the earliest tractors had a round back axle but most had a long shaft then they changed to square axle which had wet brakes long shaft diff lock and handbrake
Last of 35 . Yet there is 35x engine in it as we're saying. An ya claim its original engine how is that. And on serial number it 35 . That doesn't make sense