I like your frank opinions about archery products and the business. I shoot an Elite Era. I watched the John Dudley video with Hoyt and it stated he left at the end of his contract. He emphasized how important it is to leave things on good terms. Who knows what is true when we watch people on social media/ video etc. This is what I do know personally, at TAC in Solitude Utah this year, I was struggling switching between two releases as the brands resulted in different anchor points. I went to the NockOn booth to look at the Silverback Mini and talked with Sharon, John Dudley's wife. She was helpful and grabbed him when I asked things she said he could better answer. John gave me at least a full hour of his time, shooting my bow with different releases and watching my form and anchor. Showing me how to use the Silverback and helped me feel pretty good using it so much so, I went out and shot an entire TAC course the next day with a back tension release for the first time and did NOT miss a target or lose an arrow. This was on his own time, away from other customers and vendors and not necessary. None of the other vendors were this helpful. So on a personal level I can say he gives his time to others who have nothing to give back to his media image.
Anyone who buys something because a celebrity"s face is attached to it, deserves to overpay. The sad part is, it's those peoples' idolizing and overpaying that drives the entire vicious circle. People are so willing to part with their money today. That's why we have $2000 cell phones.
IMO, JOE & CAM are not even in the same room as John with anything to do with archery. Those two have their own little niche of which little is related to archery. There’s no doubt whatsoever about that John’s knowledge and skill. PSE screwed up plain and simple. I’m betting it’s nothing more than a personality conflict with the owner now that Pete sold out a few years back.
@@jamietwigg5152 probably so as he was really promoting PSE too so much while using the Nockon trademark. Who knows maybe John was wanting more $. He seems to be a normal guy without an ego thing. I think they messed up.
@@timbow50 People are never the same behind the mask. Plain and simple he wasn't bringing in enough to justify the check. I don't give a crap about any influencers I use my own mind and judgment, pretty weak minded to buy because someone else says so.
@@jamietwigg5152Agreed. When it comes time for business and negotiating, companies change, and people change too. No telling what really went on behind the scenes. And to your other point, there are tons of weak-minded people out there, and that's what makes social media so influential. I'm hopping off the PSE train because it's been a downward spiral for them in a number of areas ever since Pete left, but I ain't going to Hoyt. Don't like their bows, and probably never will. We all know Dudley will be ok because he has a new contract, but I'm interested to see what happens to PSE moving forward. They have some work to do, separate from this John Dudley departure.
They are not in the same room for knowledge maybe but if Joe Rogan posts Elite Archery on his podcast guess what, ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE BUYING ELITE. Nobody cares about your knowledge, they care about their pockets
If you listen to John's podcast he says he went into the pse contract knowing they wanted to sell the company. Only 6 months in he knew he was leaving pse.
I have a halon 32 it’s my second bow my first bow was the PSE stinger ATK never had a issue with it single cam so really easy to pull back personally think you should go with what feels good for you but I like that MATHEWS makes parts for older bows and that to me is important not what UA-cam celebrities
Never bought any hunting product due to "celebrity personality ". Either I thought it was a good product or not. Dudley moving from company to company just shows it's a paycheck. Can't blame him for it but I don't take his opinion with much credit.
Hoyt priced themselves out of the market. They make a good product, but not better than Bowtech, Elite, Mathew’s, etc. it’s nothing more than economics. Anyone buying anything because a celebrity endorses it, is throwing their money away.
Unless you want an entry-level bow, Hoyt offers one that is comparable to all the other flagship bows in the aluminum category. They go up from there. Generally, $100 dollars more than every other flagship bow in aluminum. not knocking Hoyt, they can charge what they want. I just won’t be a customer.
I don't know if it will affect the sales of PSE but I do think that Hoyt will sell more bows because this is the simple fact John Cameron Joe Rogan all these guys are very fit very healthy so many people want to do what they do as far as going on big elk and be a social media Superstar and all this and all that so I do think that will pick up Hoyt Archery is known to be more of a fanboy type of archery
No matter what there's always going to be people that like certain brands I think PSE May their biggest mistake when they went away from the what is it the Evolve cam and then they made some huge mistakes when it comes to paid Target archers such as Sharon Wallace one of the greatest 3D archery Shooters in the world it just blows my mind you know but sometimes you make mistakes all you can do is pick yourself up dust yourself off and keep pushing cuz I'm telling you right now I will forever be a PSE fan I still have my what the hell was the name of the 34 SE
The carbon Defiants are very expensive and have become heavier since the Carbon Spyder. The PSE carbon bows are similar quality but class leading light weight and less expensive. A light bow is important for stalk type hunts.
I’ve been shooting PSE for more than a decade. I try most of the new bows each year and I’m still with PSE. I don’t have any social media so those influencers have zero impact in my small circle of friends.
Personally I find him to be a self touting person that is no where as helpful as people such as yourself and others that have a business that sells more than his name... Keep up great work
If you are like me and don’t have shops who paper tune and move cams, you have to tune yourself. John’s bow build videos are the most important thing I’ve ever had to make me a better shooter. His shooting process videos are also incredibly valuable. Having John with Hoyt means, people will definitely be giving Hoyt more thought because we all watch his videos for his content and advertising a company on a popular platform getting the product placement has been marketing 101. I’m still going to be a Matthews guy though
Easy button people! 😂 Dud followed the money trail plain and simple. Can’t blame him for that! He’s obviously worth something if a top three bow company with thousands of dealers world wide are seeking his influence! All the haters are dismissing his move as sour grapes! But will do the same thing given the opportunity to make more for their family!
hes actually stated that his decision to move back to hoyt was not influenced by money and that he actually is taking a pay cut by doing so. he just wanted to be working with all of his long time friends in the industry. plain and simple.
@@paytongolden8683 yeah, that is true, he did say that - however, the thought maybe that he could foresee that his future with PSE wasn’t as a sure thing financially as what he planned, and the friendship and camaraderie is way more important at this stage in his career! It certainly makes any job better to feel wanted!
As a Hoyt fan and consumer I don’t want him with Hoyt if he’s going to affect how they design bows. I have no particular interest in Dudley so I don’t have interest in his ideas. Out of all the pro shooters, Dudley seems to be the most consumed with himself obsessed with putting his name on everything. I don’t hate the guy but I don’t want his name and personal twists on the future Hoyt bows. I like Hoyt how they are!
He has great relationship with Hoyt but I whole heartedly agree with American Bigfoot. He seems so consumed with himself. I hear he’s very helpful with just the regular guy in teaching, but after hearing him in podcast with Ranch Fairy, I lost respect for that dude. He talked as if he was way above Ranch Fairy, just sounded like he’s let his celeb friends have gone to his head & he just sounded like a douche.,
I believe his motivation for leaving Hoyt in the first place was PSE offered him more input into bow design and Hoyt wouldn't. I doubt Hoyt have walked that back. I imagine we'll simply see a RX9 with Nock On branding on it next year like they do with Cam Hanes
I never bought nock on its usually just the same bow as their flagship only not as adjustable but I really like those nock on colours but yeah I own a hoyt rx5 ultra and alpha x 33 and I'd prefer to shoot my pse bows over them the mach 34 is a machine I can't stand the hoyt grips, can't wait to see some elite exalt 35s in your shop.
Would have sworn before the news came out, that he'd end up at Darton. Seemed to make sense to me, they're gaining traction, got the machining, now they need a bit of vision. Sadly with him joining Hoyt, their share will get bigger so we will see less competition. On the shooting line here, Hoyt has made way for PSE the past few years. Where everybody and their moms were shooting Hoyt, now the shoot PSE. Maybe we will finally see Hoyt innovate again though.
I have never bought a bow, arrows, release etc because of the influencer hype. I buy bows based on how I shot them. Not John, Levi, Tim, or any other prime time archer’s choices. Besides, any bow etc they would be using is not the same production piece of gear the regular customers receive. Joe, Cam( whoever he is) nor John product selection means exactly nothing to me and probably tens of thousands of other archers. I was using the Carter Wise Choice years before Dudley got Carter to whack off the third and fourth finger grip to create the Nockon two finger. I’ve shot the two finger and it’s nothing special at all IMO. IN fact, my two Wise Choice are much smoother, cleaner/ crisp and quieter. I did a little internal tweaking on mine by polishing better all the friction points of the parts. They literally break better than any other thumb I’ve compared them too. John’s use of Easton shafts etc. mean nothing to me.
Oh yeah you're right I forgot about their bulshit they fooled with you you take one of the leading most selling of your product and take it away and give it to somebody else is that what you do it's like people who have lost the right to even make logical decisions that affects their business in dramatic ways
I really miss the old Archery supplies videos Steven. It seems that ever since you dropped/lost the sole PSE rights in Aus your “reviews” have been more of a whinge session about everything in the archery industry. I really do miss your no nonsense reviews. Can you just go back to them?
I'm not sure I follow you? you think JD made a mistake saying his contract wasn't renewed? I beleave thats a good way to say it NO bad things just moving on I'm not to sure what is going on at PSE. Going back to groud roots, no special shooter's ???? time will tell!
I think Dudley is good as an ambassador for the hobby and he's good at introducing new people to archery. As a salesman, he's just another paid shill who hawks the products of the company who writes the largest check. Thankfully most of the equipment out today is good, so a casual archer can just pick an influencer and use the equipment he/she uses and do fine.
I think you're wrong about people still buying PSE. PSE was at the bottom of the bows until John signed with them. He brought their name back to the for front.
Hahaha john dudly is a joke, I haha been shooting 17 years and havent seen people buy stuff from Nock on, and that he says he is a "world champion" is even more hilarious, he is a joke. I think PSE can still have good sales without giving money to a "world champion" hahahahaha
This is an odd take, many people bought PSE bows because of Dudley or more specifically the top notch marketing that Dudley brought to PSE through his Nock On brand. He is a content machine and the sheer content volume sold bows. I never bought one, but think his affect on the brand was obvious.
@@tjdreyernot here mate. PSE's are very popular (I shoot a PSE Xpedite) but the "John Dudley branded PSE bows" were not as popular as the regular versions of those models.
@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym nope, very far from olympics, he has some medals in the world championships FIELD, bronze and silver, no golds. Still very good resume, but not 5 time world champion
Just like everything, and everyone else who has nothing but the best, and money isn’t an issue. ( “ Archery Elitists “ ) the rest of the regular “ Joe Shmukatelys “ of archery make do of what is available to the general masses, and shoot to the best of their abilities. The marketing ploy is nothing more than a fishing excursion geared for buyers willing to take their chances on gimmicks, or “ real results “. Either way, just because a celebrity endorses any product, doesn’t mean it’s “ The One “ product for anyone.
I like your frank opinions about archery products and the business. I shoot an Elite Era. I watched the John Dudley video with Hoyt and it stated he left at the end of his contract. He emphasized how important it is to leave things on good terms. Who knows what is true when we watch people on social media/ video etc. This is what I do know personally, at TAC in Solitude Utah this year, I was struggling switching between two releases as the brands resulted in different anchor points. I went to the NockOn booth to look at the Silverback Mini and talked with Sharon, John Dudley's wife. She was helpful and grabbed him when I asked things she said he could better answer. John gave me at least a full hour of his time, shooting my bow with different releases and watching my form and anchor. Showing me how to use the Silverback and helped me feel pretty good using it so much so, I went out and shot an entire TAC course the next day with a back tension release for the first time and did NOT miss a target or lose an arrow. This was on his own time, away from other customers and vendors and not necessary. None of the other vendors were this helpful. So on a personal level I can say he gives his time to others who have nothing to give back to his media image.
John is passionate about teaching. It’s awesome to hear this personal story
Anyone who buys something because a celebrity"s face is attached to it, deserves to overpay. The sad part is, it's those peoples' idolizing and overpaying that drives the entire vicious circle. People are so willing to part with their money today. That's why we have $2000 cell phones.
IMO, JOE & CAM are not even in the same room as John with anything to do with archery. Those two have their own little niche of which little is related to archery. There’s no doubt whatsoever about that John’s knowledge and skill. PSE screwed up plain and simple. I’m betting it’s nothing more than a personality conflict with the owner now that Pete sold out a few years back.
I'd say nothing Dud did was worth the salary he was getting
@@jamietwigg5152 probably so as he was really promoting PSE too so much while using the Nockon trademark. Who knows maybe John was wanting more $. He seems to be a normal guy without an ego thing. I think they messed up.
@@timbow50 People are never the same behind the mask.
Plain and simple he wasn't bringing in enough to justify the check.
I don't give a crap about any influencers
I use my own mind and judgment, pretty weak minded to buy because someone else says so.
@@jamietwigg5152Agreed. When it comes time for business and negotiating, companies change, and people change too. No telling what really went on behind the scenes. And to your other point, there are tons of weak-minded people out there, and that's what makes social media so influential. I'm hopping off the PSE train because it's been a downward spiral for them in a number of areas ever since Pete left, but I ain't going to Hoyt. Don't like their bows, and probably never will. We all know Dudley will be ok because he has a new contract, but I'm interested to see what happens to PSE moving forward. They have some work to do, separate from this John Dudley departure.
They are not in the same room for knowledge maybe but if Joe Rogan posts Elite Archery on his podcast guess what, ALOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE BUYING ELITE. Nobody cares about your knowledge, they care about their pockets
I don't think he left on bad terms, he openly admitted it was the end of his contract and left on good terms. I've never heard him bad mouth any brand
If you listen to John's podcast he says he went into the pse contract knowing they wanted to sell the company. Only 6 months in he knew he was leaving pse.
J D just went back home to hoyt . That easy
I have a halon 32 it’s my second bow my first bow was the PSE stinger ATK never had a issue with it single cam so really easy to pull back personally think you should go with what feels good for you but I like that MATHEWS makes parts for older bows and that to me is important not what UA-cam celebrities
John did a podcast. He said hoyts not making bows for him. Hes going to shoot hoyt bows thats it.
For the first year or so I think he said. Or something like that
I may buy a pse again now.
talking about PSE... I'm looking for spare limbs for my old DECREE bow. Do you have it?
Never bought any hunting product due to "celebrity personality ". Either I thought it was a good product or not. Dudley moving from company to company just shows it's a paycheck. Can't blame him for it but I don't take his opinion with much credit.
He will not be able get the Hoyt carbons as light as the levitate
Hoyt priced themselves out of the market. They make a good product, but not better than Bowtech, Elite, Mathew’s, etc. it’s nothing more than economics. Anyone buying anything because a celebrity endorses it, is throwing their money away.
Not really. Hoyt makes an aluminum bow as well. Just like everyone else.
Unless you want an entry-level bow, Hoyt offers one that is comparable to all the other flagship bows in the aluminum category. They go up from there. Generally, $100 dollars more than every other flagship bow in aluminum. not knocking Hoyt,
they can charge what they want. I just won’t be a customer.
Hoyt has made a carbon bow and aluminum for years. Can't afford the carbon buy the aluminum. There priced the same as every other brands flag ahip
Endorsed does = more expensive. Check out the signature model of guitars and compare them to the standard models.
Straight up theft.
@@Voxguitarsrock this isn't the case with these bows. They're all around the same price for aluminum models.
John started with Mathews then Hoyt which was the most impact then PSE and got bow of the year. and now back home to Utah I mean Hoyt
I don't know if it will affect the sales of PSE but I do think that Hoyt will sell more bows because this is the simple fact John Cameron Joe Rogan all these guys are very fit very healthy so many people want to do what they do as far as going on big elk and be a social media Superstar and all this and all that so I do think that will pick up Hoyt Archery is known to be more of a fanboy type of archery
No matter what there's always going to be people that like certain brands I think PSE May their biggest mistake when they went away from the what is it the Evolve cam and then they made some huge mistakes when it comes to paid Target archers such as Sharon Wallace one of the greatest 3D archery Shooters in the world it just blows my mind you know but sometimes you make mistakes all you can do is pick yourself up dust yourself off and keep pushing cuz I'm telling you right now I will forever be a PSE fan I still have my what the hell was the name of the 34 SE
The carbon Defiants are very expensive and have become heavier since the Carbon Spyder. The PSE carbon bows are similar quality but class leading light weight and less expensive.
A light bow is important for stalk type hunts.
I’ve been shooting PSE for more than a decade. I try most of the new bows each year and I’m still with PSE. I don’t have any social media so those influencers have zero impact in my small circle of friends.
Personally I find him to be a self touting person that is no where as helpful as people such as yourself and others that have a business that sells more than his name...
Keep up great work
If you are like me and don’t have shops who paper tune and move cams, you have to tune yourself. John’s bow build videos are the most important thing I’ve ever had to make me a better shooter. His shooting process videos are also incredibly valuable. Having John with Hoyt means, people will definitely be giving Hoyt more thought because we all watch his videos for his content and advertising a company on a popular platform getting the product placement has been marketing 101. I’m still going to be a Matthews guy though
Easy button people! 😂 Dud followed the money trail plain and simple. Can’t blame him for that!
He’s obviously worth something if a top three bow company with thousands of dealers world wide are seeking his influence!
All the haters are dismissing his move as sour grapes! But will do the same thing given the opportunity to make more for their family!
hes actually stated that his decision to move back to hoyt was not influenced by money and that he actually is taking a pay cut by doing so. he just wanted to be working with all of his long time friends in the industry. plain and simple.
@@paytongolden8683 yeah, that is true, he did say that - however, the thought maybe that he could foresee that his future with PSE wasn’t as a sure thing financially as what he planned, and the friendship and camaraderie is way more important at this stage in his career! It certainly makes any job better to feel wanted!
As a Hoyt fan and consumer I don’t want him with Hoyt if he’s going to affect how they design bows. I have no particular interest in Dudley so I don’t have interest in his ideas. Out of all the pro shooters, Dudley seems to be the most consumed with himself obsessed with putting his name on everything. I don’t hate the guy but I don’t want his name and personal twists on the future Hoyt bows. I like Hoyt how they are!
IMO Dudley is lucky he still had friends at Hoyt.
LOL you realize he worked for hoyt for like 13 years prior to this
He has great relationship with Hoyt but I whole heartedly agree with American Bigfoot. He seems so consumed with himself. I hear he’s very helpful with just the regular guy in teaching, but after hearing him in podcast with Ranch Fairy, I lost respect for that dude. He talked as if he was way above Ranch Fairy, just sounded like he’s let his celeb friends have gone to his head & he just sounded like a douche.,
Dont think he is a engineer
I believe his motivation for leaving Hoyt in the first place was PSE offered him more input into bow design and Hoyt wouldn't. I doubt Hoyt have walked that back. I imagine we'll simply see a RX9 with Nock On branding on it next year like they do with Cam Hanes
One thing about Dudley, he posts content. Valuable advertising and knowledge base at the least, however JD isn't a mover for me.
I never bought nock on its usually just the same bow as their flagship only not as adjustable but I really like those nock on colours but yeah I own a hoyt rx5 ultra and alpha x 33 and I'd prefer to shoot my pse bows over them the mach 34 is a machine I can't stand the hoyt grips, can't wait to see some elite exalt 35s in your shop.
Leaves Mathews
Leaves Hoyt
Leaves PSE
Leaves Hoyt
Joins Darton 🤣
Would have sworn before the news came out, that he'd end up at Darton. Seemed to make sense to me, they're gaining traction, got the machining, now they need a bit of vision. Sadly with him joining Hoyt, their share will get bigger so we will see less competition. On the shooting line here, Hoyt has made way for PSE the past few years. Where everybody and their moms were shooting Hoyt, now the shoot PSE. Maybe we will finally see Hoyt innovate again though.
If you have had your eyes open you'd have known JD was going to Hoyt.... Rogan has been shooting a hoyt since January.....
I have never bought a bow, arrows, release etc because of the influencer hype. I buy bows based on how I shot them. Not John, Levi, Tim, or any other prime time archer’s choices. Besides, any bow etc they would be using is not the same production piece of gear the regular customers receive. Joe, Cam( whoever he is) nor John product selection means exactly nothing to me and probably tens of thousands of other archers. I was using the Carter Wise Choice years before Dudley got Carter to whack off the third and fourth finger grip to create the Nockon two finger. I’ve shot the two finger and it’s nothing special at all IMO. IN fact, my two Wise Choice are much smoother, cleaner/ crisp and quieter. I did a little internal tweaking on mine by polishing better all the friction points of the parts. They literally break better than any other thumb I’ve compared them too. John’s use of Easton shafts etc. mean nothing to me.
Oh yeah you're right I forgot about their bulshit they fooled with you you take one of the leading most selling of your product and take it away and give it to somebody else is that what you do it's like people who have lost the right to even make logical decisions that affects their business in dramatic ways
Please don’t tell me Joe rogan will have an effect on archery.. If he does that’s not archery, that’s sales.
I really miss the old Archery supplies videos Steven. It seems that ever since you dropped/lost the sole PSE rights in Aus your “reviews” have been more of a whinge session about everything in the archery industry. I really do miss your no nonsense reviews. Can you just go back to them?
Wah wah wah
I'm not sure I follow you? you think JD made a mistake saying his contract wasn't renewed? I beleave thats a good way to say it NO bad things just moving on I'm not to sure what is going on at PSE. Going back to groud roots, no special shooter's ???? time will tell!
I got sso up set when he left i bought a mathew😂lol
Dudley has good coaching pointers. After he spoke to Troy Fowler (Ranch Fairy) the way he did- zero respect
I would say PSE kicked him to the curb
He probably thought he was huge needle mover for PSE and wanted a big pay day
My last two Bows have been PSE...... 🤔
I might have a look at Hoyt 😋
I think Dudley is good as an ambassador for the hobby and he's good at introducing new people to archery. As a salesman, he's just another paid shill who hawks the products of the company who writes the largest check.
Thankfully most of the equipment out today is good, so a casual archer can just pick an influencer and use the equipment he/she uses and do fine.
I think you're wrong about people still buying PSE. PSE was at the bottom of the bows until John signed with them. He brought their name back to the for front.
Anyone who buys a bow based on what “pro archer” shoots that bow doesn’t belong in archery. They belong in the crowd of a Taylor Swift concert…
Hahaha john dudly is a joke, I haha been shooting 17 years and havent seen people buy stuff from Nock on, and that he says he is a "world champion" is even more hilarious, he is a joke. I think PSE can still have good sales without giving money to a "world champion" hahahahaha
This is an odd take, many people bought PSE bows because of Dudley or more specifically the top notch marketing that Dudley brought to PSE through his Nock On brand. He is a content machine and the sheer content volume sold bows. I never bought one, but think his affect on the brand was obvious.
@@tjdreyernot here mate. PSE's are very popular (I shoot a PSE Xpedite) but the "John Dudley branded PSE bows" were not as popular as the regular versions of those models.
So John doesn't have Olympic medals then..?
@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym nope, very far from olympics, he has some medals in the world championships FIELD, bronze and silver, no golds. Still very good resume, but not 5 time world champion
@@ArchersAnonymous-nb4ym compound is`t olympic
Just like everything, and everyone else who has nothing but the best, and money isn’t an issue. ( “ Archery Elitists “ ) the rest of the regular “ Joe Shmukatelys “ of archery make do of what is available to the general masses, and shoot to the best of their abilities. The marketing ploy is nothing more than a fishing excursion geared for buyers willing to take their chances on gimmicks, or “ real results “. Either way, just because a celebrity endorses any product, doesn’t mean it’s “ The One “ product for anyone.