Hope your Fall is off to a great start. If you’re in the field good luck and hunt hard! We were trying to bring up the Chris Bee video for reference but it looked like it was pulled down. So if our facts aren’t all straight it’s because we’re going off of memory. Still though, hunters should support other hunters, learn from our experiences and move forward. Nobody is perfect and hunting is challenging. Make the best choice you can with the information you have and live and learn. Appreciate ya’ll. Subscribe to the pod if you’re not. -TC
Most of us hunt without video or hope of monetization. Those that do are not immune to scrutiny. I wouldn’t want all of my hunts- successful or embarrassing - to be put on the internet. Reap what you sow. I honestly feel bad for all of you “influencers” Slaves to the game. I’ll continue to hunt for reasons other than fame or a podcast. I hope everyone has a successful season especially if people aren’t watching.
It’s 100% ok for criticizing stupidity . For instance if you’re a shitty parent , guess what you’re going to hear about it . Your stick together bs because we are hunter is the same logic the left used for the clot shot and masks . 🤷🏻♂️ think about it
Your facts aren’t straight because he edited the first Buffalo out. You only got the edited version with the second animal making it look much much better. The frontal everyone is upset about is in the first animal. We all do are best and all make mistakes but the men who own up to them are the men who should be leading the industry not the ones who edit a video because there not willing to take the back lash. You’re held to a higher standard when you have that much spotlight. Don’t get me wrong I get there’s people looking for any little thing to argue or complain over but that was a really bad look and I definitely lost respect for him.
sry but hunters should not stand with other hunters who do wrong thats bullshit and makes everyone look just as stupid we should stand with them if they own there mishap and support that but not the way chris did it how the hell yall gonna even speak on it when you dont know the facts.. plus he was told many times not to use those kid arrows my the locals and he turned his nose up to that.. I like chriss but he gets what he gets after the way he tried to hide it and lie about it his kid arrow could not even get through the guts. so hate on Troy some more seems he was correct...
Ok Ok An australian here. He shot a Dingo which is protected in the Northern Territory. It'd be like a celebrity Aussie hunter lobbing into some national park in the states that's had its wolves repopulated and then someone films an arrow going through one where they are protected. No one hunts Buffalo with sub 500 grain arrows without solid broadheads here. Right now in Australia the anti hunting left6rd greens lobby is going after bow hunting in a big way because we are the easier mark to take out compared to shooters. We have only 7 states and territories and bowhunting which is only legal in some of them, was just banned in South Australia. That's a state 50% bigger than Texas. That ruling has set a precedent that'll be used as the blue print in other states and territories if they are given the pretext. The pretext for the south australian ban that was some idiot who shot a neighbours cat and another who shot a possum in their roof space - just idiots, not hunters. So it doesn't take much! So when Chris released a video with the Dingo kill (note that when he first edited the video he took out the Dingo) he gave the anti bow hunting lobby everything they need on a plate to go after us nationally. Even if there is some loophole RE the dingo - I don't know, maybe it was native land title or something, it doesn't matter to the people who'll use it. Spin it any way you want but the optics of that last kill weren't good when what we normally see publicly from our hunters is single pass throughs and buffalo that drop peacefully. Thats why so much criticism came his way particularly from Australians. He flew in flew out and potentially has left a wreckage behind him that you guys simply won't be on the end of.
Josh getting that fired up telling people to shut their mouths when he in fact didn’t watch the video before he pulled it is comical and would get slapped in the face talking like that in person . Talk about an internet hero !
Probably shouldn't have done a discussing and reaction to something you didn't get to fully watch. The frontal was on his first buffalo. It only got maybe 6 inches. The buffalo that he killed, was an entirely different animal that took 4 arrows to bring down. None of those arrows even made it to the vanes. Knowing that info makes the discussion entirely different
go watch water buffalo hunts and tell me an any of the videos does it reach the vanes. He shot one and looked for a day to find it, never found it so started hunting another. He shot and killed the water buffalo no bid deal.
I’ve never seen Josh get so fired up about something without having any of the facts. It’s ok to just say “I don’t know” when you don’t know something. Chris knew what he did was wrong, that’s why he deleted the video
His responsibility as a Hunter was to use appropriate equipment for the animal you hunt. Thank God they made him use a fixed blade or it would have been worse. I agree on follow up shots, but you dont shoot a 22lr at something that requires a Magnum.
The issues weren’t shooting the buffalo multiple times. It’s that he shot one before that with a frontal that they never found. Then edited it out of the video later on.. it was also kinda disappointing that he was talking about how light of an arrow he was using then had that one wounded buffalo & then had to shoot the other quite a few times. I’m all for light arrow setups for hunting, just not buffalo.
A lot of the negative comments towards Chris Bee on his Buffalo hunt, actually came from Australians. There is a big movement against bow hunting Australia, and the optics on this hunt didn't help things. He actually shot 2 Buffalo, wounding the first one and ultimately Chris, did not recover that animal. As an ambassador to the sport, you need to understand more of the big picture.
Yeah you guys missed the point of the criticism. He frontal shot an animal he never recovered then continued to hunt. I remember josh shot a bull and didn’t recover it last year and he considered his tag filled. Also his guide made him switch to a two blade fixed which he didn’t say in the video because his sponsor would be upset he didn’t use their head. There was plenty to criticize in Chris bees video.
I didn't get to watch either video of Chris because he deleted them like a coward. But Dr. Ed Ashby made a comment that the second edited video Chris said he used a single bevel but the actual video showed him using a g5 montec which makes sense because I believe they are one if his sponsors and they don't make a single bevel.
An Aussie here. I saw the very first video Chris Bee posted the same day it was posted. First off. Thinking bumping your bow up to 82# but thinking a 450gr total mass arrow is good enough for a water buffalo here is delusional. NO ONE here uses arrows that light, not uses an expandable head on Buffalo. 2. You'd have thought he would have done at least a very small amount of research or contacted locals about where to hit a buffalo before the trip. Buffalo are NOT soft like an elk... watch some Harrison Pugh videos and you'll get a BIG esucation on what to use and where to hit them. 3. Maybe go with a more ruptable Australian guide that knows the legality of different animals you're going to shoot before you go. 4. Thw first buff he shot was an extremely hard quartering on shot he should never have taken. Hit smacked straight into a shoulder bone with his pathetic little arrow and it stopped VERY quickly. Again, buff arent Elk or white tail so have a clue where to put an arrow and WAIT for the shot you need. 5. Second buffalo. A proper arrow set up and knowing where to hit the animal property would have seen it on the ground in one arrow, not 4 rubbish shots. Americans need to better learn anatomy and animal behaviour and put the shots into the heart not try to hit a 10 ring thats in the wrong place. The fact the video was taken down in the end just shows how much he fucked up and hopefully he learns from it before he tries it again. Zero reason to take an 80 yard shot on a buffalo... or any animal for that reason... just be a better hunter and get close, thats why we shoot bows not rifles.
As an American, there’s one thing I can comment on the anatomy. I agree a lot of people aim for a 10 ring which is way too far back. But another thing is American game animals such as whitetail and elk do have vitals that are a little further back than animals from other continents, especially Africa for example. I personally aim for shoulder and use a RF arrow. Over 20% FOC and well above 650.
Exactly! You can't beat physics and facts. We as bowhunters should use the most ethical equipment we can. It's not about ego it's about owing it to the animal to put it down as quickly as possible.
going to Australia because ur arrows don't meet requirements in other countries is pretty asinine if you ask me, but who am i? the whole trip was planned around this fact. Chris edited out the part of the video where the guide literally says " that's why u need a heavy arrow." AND THEN proceeded to explain the muscles of the animal. he also edited out the first shot on the SECOND buffalo.... leg tucked back getting ready to step and he just flat out shot.
Really enjoy your videos but you may not have all the facts on the Chris Bee water buffalo hunt. You should consider addressing this circumstance later, so you don't damage your own reputations defending a situation that you are not fully aware of.
I just have so many issues with this podcast. Teaching a new hunter to shoot long distance. Shooting an antelope in the back of the head. Then spining it on the follow up. Texas heart shots cause shooting long distance at the middle of them is the new strategy. Bragging about doing it multiple years in a row. I’ve seen mfjj shoot at tac at those distances and it’s not the most accurate. Maybe it’s a kill shot maybe it’s not. You may have a successful business but you should not be promoting crap like this. And Tim you don’t have the experience to be agreeing with him. The best hunters I know don’t talk like this. New hunters eat this up and think they can fling arrows past 50 yards cause that’s what you do. Just aim at the middle and shoot huh? If you’re going to have this platform be RESPECTFUL of the animals. I hate that this kind of content is out there for new hunters. Your only saving grace for me is that you don’t film these “hunts”
Very well said. To shoot an animal in the back of the head and laugh about it? If this is the stuff they’re telling us on their channel, imagine the things that they do that they won’t put on camera. But josh is never wrong.
I think the other part of controversy besides the first buffalo was that he did shoot a fixed broadhead (because the guides did not let him shoot the mechanicals) and yet he still had to put 4 arrows into it. Hence, the blame going to the arrow weight instead how tough a water buffalo actual is.
MFJJ’s ego is baffling 😅 he thinks everything he says is law. He didn’t watch the full video yet had to comment due to the comments on the video if you watched the whole video Chris said that the PH told him to use a fix blade also Chris hid the fact he shot at multiple bulls and wounded but only one was put on film. MFJJ is smart but ego is to large he needs to be more humble
I have never seen a person in my entire life with a bigger ego than Josh. Telling the people that support his channel to shut up, just because of a difference in opinion? And Chris Bee is a “professional hunter” supposedly. Well, professionals don’t make those kind of mistakes. Idk if I’ll ever watch this podcast again after Josh’s little temper tantrum. And Tim nodding and agreeing with him, when neither of them even watched the video. And josh if the broadhead is the most important part, u should at least find out if he was using a mechanical or fixed blade before u tell people to shut up.
@@JeremyBevans-rz5rc agreed 👍 if it all came down to the broadhead… well, he used a fixed blade, PH wouldn’t let him use a mech. Josh needs a nice slice of humble pie.
Yup mfjj is pretty high on himself not really a fan find him hard to believe or trust I mean the guys like 56 years old with a mohawk he’s pretty laughable
@@macmcleod9328 yes, but his whole thrust is that you don’t need a heavy arrow for even large game! His outright refusal and then his wounding of the buffalo to death is the problem.
@paulheberling2750 for close shots he would go with heavy arrows. Longer shots take time for arrow to get there, hence why lighter arrows travel faster than a heavy arrow, and getting the arrow there on long shots quicker reduces the time an animal can react to the bow going off. Its al.ost how bullets are becoming lighter and faster for people who hunt/shoot long range
@@macmcleod9328 yes but a water buffalo isn’t going to jump the string on a heavy arrow. Also no one would shoot a smaller faster .22 lr at a buffalo over a larger caliber bullet. That’s why they think he’s off on his thinking here.
Quote from the Boone and Crockett Pronghorn scoring website. "D-2. Circumference at 1st Quarter: Divide Measurement C of the longer horn by four. Starting at the base, mark both horns at these quarters (even though the other horn is shorter) and measure the circumferences at these marks. If the prong interferes with D-2, move the measurement down to just below the swelling of the prong. If D-3 falls in the swelling of the prong, move the measurement up to just above the prong."
The main issue was the frontal shot on the first bull, which he chose or was told to take. He ended up hitting it in the ball of the shoulder causing poor penetration and the bull was never found. Honestly, it was a shot that shouldn't have been taken no matter arrow weight or broadhead. It didn't look good when it happened. Tim, I believe the broadhead he was using a Montec. We all make mistakes during our hunting careers. Overall, lesson learned for all and one shouldn't hate on Chris for making a mistake. *Just listened to Chris Bee on a podcast clip and he used a two blade fixed broadhead. He said the PH made him use it.
he didn't have a montec. he wanted to use one but guide said two blade cut on contact. no exceptions. you can see it right in the video when they recovered the buffalo. at one point the buffalo runs off but it's all the same buffalo despite another comes in. that's what i saw in the video. his second shot was not good and as described quartering into the front of the shoulder but that's after a lethal first shot buried to the fletching.
The first buffalo frontal shot was ill advised. He put 4 arrows into the second buffalo because he could - most hunters can't reload as fast as he can and certainly aren't as accurate as him. Like MFJJ said, what's he supposed to do, stop shooting? He buried 2 arrows up to the fletching. The buffalo died in, like, 45 seconds - would it have died in 25 seconds had he used a 600 grain arrow? Would everyone's criticism of Bee disappear if he had used a heavy arrow? It's not making sense, and unfortunately leaves you with the conclusion that ppl have a hard on for Bee - and that's a shame as we are all hunters.
As an aussie bowhunter I feel frustrated with the relaxed manner in which these two blokes comment on the@ChrisBeeReal video. Mistakes in bow hunting happen, we all know that. The issue isn't whether Chris bee is infallible or not. The real issue is that his reckless abandonment of proven arrow weight and broad head selection on a dangerous game animal coupled with the shooting of a protected species, and the disregard of knowing the anatomy of the animal he was targeting has been used to take away the rights of thousands of bowhunters in a single continent. His video, the full version was played in parliament to support banning bowhunting in South Australia! Down here we don't have our freedoms protected by law and constitutions, ours are given to us as 'privileges', that in the outdoors space are being taken away from us constantly. Chris put this video up purely for money and its clear he cares more about that than our sport! He then gives a backhanded apology and moves on! He doesn't have to live with the consequences of his actions in OUR country, WE do! Where do we go from here? A precedent has been set in this country and he has given the antis the perfect video resource for their campaign to move other states to follow the Ban. @joshandTim I'm disappointed in the lack of support as you sit back and dismiss the people who are concerned/upset about this video! www.youtube.com/@JoshandTim
This is very accurate. I really appreciate these guys bringing it up because I think it’s something needs to be talked about, but to not have the full story or all the context is definitely a disservice.
I had no issue with Chris Bee shooting the SECOND Buffalo. The FIRST water buffalo he shot was at a hard quartering to angle which he had no business taking that shot. He preaches light arrows and shot placement but takes a very low percentage shot which ultimately lead to a wounded animal.
The issue was Chris obviously put content before the ethical harvest of the animal. It wasn’t about ethically harvesting an animal just for the hunt it was producing content to sell more “premium” hunting gear. If he wasn’t married to so many sponsors he would have used a set up like Josh described at the end of the video. Closer to 600 grains with an iron will or like broadhead. But he didn’t because it obviously means more to him to produce content (to make sponsorship dollars) than to ethically harvest an animal. The hunting community obviously took issue with that, as we should. It was obviously just for the content. If his sponsors produced a more conducive set up for water buffalo I’m sure he would’ve used it, but they don’t so instead of choosing a set up that was more ethical for the game he was hunting he chose to push his product.
Why are you guys discussing something you didn't watch??? You got literally every fact wrong. 2 different bulls, no penetration on the frontal bull and 4 arrows that didn't make it half way and he was forced to shoot fixed blades... Wth
Most people were talking about Chris's shot on the first bull that got away. He shot it frontside.. And it ran off. He edited it later and took out that part, and he explained that they looked for that animal for a day and a half but didn't show that, so it kind of looked like he shot it and was like "oh well," and moved on to the next one.
He literally did a frontal shot on one and never recovered it . Then shot the second one 4 times . He edited his video and took out the first frontal he never recovered. Then took took down the video completely
Blindly defending another influencer without even knowing why they were/are under fire is such a bad look. But I wouldn't expect anything less from an influencer with one of the biggest ego's of all, which is obviously saying something considering some of these narcissists. Anything for more attention and money, right?
Yeah it’s pretty remarkable how blind these dudes are from reality. They pay people to hold a camera and all of a sudden they think their opinions matter. Time for a reality check… what people need to understand is these “influencers” are chasing money. They don’t give a damn about anyone else or the fact that their “content” can and will hurt hunters a an entire group… but hey! just use my 10% off coupon code at checkout
When I saw the video CB made of the Alaska moose hunt, I realized he doesn't really care about the hunting. He only cares about making videos. He's kinda a clown actually.
Guys the hate on Chris Bee is because of his poor shot choice on 2 buffalo, and it hard to watch those shots. In the state of South Australia, the government has just BANNED BOWHUNTING...... they're looking at other states to possibly ban bowhunting as well. This was the worst timing for this sort of footage as the ban has only just come into effect and we've been advocating for ethical bowhunting....... It's disappointing to see you disagree so strongly without knowing all the facts and details.
Congrats on the Antelope MFJJ! I got my first this year with a bow so I'm on cloud 9! In terms of scoring, BC states: D-2. Circumference at 1st Quarter Divide Measurement C of the longer horn by four. Starting at the base, mark both horns at these quarters (even though the other horn is shorter) and measure the circumferences at these marks. If the prong interferes with D-2, move the measurement down to just below the swelling of the prong. If D-3 falls in the swelling of the prong, move the measurement up to just above the prong. Hope this helps clear up the circumference issue with the prongs 🤙
You’ve lost a viewer and a customer after this. Your arrogance has always been pretty stiff but I gave you points for your tuning skills and knowledge base. You may be a legitimate bow tuner and technician but based on your choice of hunting shots and baselessly defending Chris Bee’s video (when you know people take your words to heart) without having any facts is truly atrocious. Be better man. You have a responsibility to younger and inexperienced hunters. Not to mention the passion of hunting we all have is facing more pressure and legislation by the day. Be a better ambassador for all of us.
NO, Chris went buffalo hunting with a whitetail setup and it failed. He had light arrows and cheap 3 blade broadheads (Montecs). That is the issue. Why he chose to do that is beyond me. He wounded the first buffalo because he didn't get any penetration. The second buffalo he shot was close to the same deal. Horrible penetration. There is an anti-Ashby sentiment with the mathews crowd. I think it comes from Joel Maxfield. It isn't like Ashby hasn't put thousands of arrows through buffalo. If Chris B comes out and says he shouldn't have went with such a light setup it would do him a world of good. There is a reason people buffalo hunt with 20%foc, 650gr plus arrows, and high quality 2 blade heads. Josh Bowmar's wife is just as stupid. She tried the same shit.
There are definitely things to criticize in the Chris Bee UA-cam video - insensitivity to the current plight of bowhunting in Australia, frontally shooting the one buffalo, trying to use a Deadmeat on a giant/tough animal, shooting the dingo which is apparently protected in parts of Australia, among other things. But on the narrow issue of his setup, the ripping of him is over the top. Bee shot a fast shooting 82lb draw weight bow, a fixed two blade broadhead (not a Montec it turns out and which is not a cheap broadhead) with a +/-450 TAW. Two of the arrows were buried deep. So we're to believe a 650 TAW would've resulted in an entirely different outcome with respect to the second buffalo? 200 more grains and those arrows magically zip through that buffalo. That's BS and defies logic. Is a heavy arrow/fixed two blade shot from Dr. Ashby's 160 fps, less accurate, longbow more ethical - particularly when you probably only get one shot at the animal?
The frontal issue was with the first buffalo that he took the frontal shot on and got zero penetration. Second buffalo he didn't get a frontal, shot it in the shoulder blade and it stopped. He didn't get it to poke through on the second buffalo, only got one through when it fell. Was something he claimed on IG but soon after reviewing the video a lot of people came to the same conclusion. He claims that the shots made on the off side are the exit holes for shot #1 and #2 (which was in the shoulder) but even you guys recall there were 4 shots but he only mentions 2 shots . Guide made him use a 2 blade single bevel as well. Hindsight is 20/20, but its something that would have been easily prevented. His video also made him look like he cared more about the arrow premotion than the animals life. Saying water buffalo are the toughest animal you can shoot with an arrow and the UV 1K did it but even the guide disagreed. Making it look like why his arrow weight was so low was because of the actual promotion. There was a lot for people to be mad about, from not being honest on his posts (still up even after being called out) to how he acted in the video.
You two are misinformed on the Chris Bee situation. He edited the original video and took out the footage of the first buffalo he shot. It was that buffalo that was the issue. The dude claimed to have read the Ashby reports and then proceeded to make his first and only shot a frontal shoulder shot on a water buffalo with a 440 grain arrow. And the outfitter made him use a fixed two blade. A 650+ grain arrow (with help from the proper broadhead) really only matters when you hit thick bone, and he took a shot where the chance of hitting the shoulder was super high.
We have every right to criticize Chris B. There is a reason buffalo hunters all recommend 650-800grain arrows with quality two blade heads. Bee found out why. He is lucky to have had the results he got.
I think the one he lost, (the first one), he shot with a mechanical. Honestly Josh, who shoots an animal north of 1500 lbs with a fu%^ing mechanical broad head. Ridiculous...
Sorry dudes, the Chris Bee buff: you are talking about the second buff that he killed. He also shot a first buff that he wounded and never found. I like Chris for showing reality. But you dudes are talking about the wrong buff.
There were 2 buffalos. He shot the 1st broadside and they didn't find it. The 2nd one was shot frontally as the 1st shot. Just to make the facts clear.
Am I remembering it wrong or did they edit the footage? I remember the first buffalo shot was a frontal that was more or less hit in the shoulder bone and it ran off never to be found, then the buffalo he ended up killing took several shots, including some broadside and some quartering (4 or 5 if I remember correctly) and that one eventually expired
@@thwackTX yes. They edited it and he made a comment about it being edited. Then they pulled it. I watched the original and my initial reaction before reading any comments or seeing any of the drama was that it was all around not a great showing.
I love the pod, but guys please get more information before you start blasting emotions out on a topic. You didn't see the whole video of Chris taking a frontal shot on the first buffalo and never recovered it. I mean how long till you start calling your followers "keyboard warriors" like he did...
If I am not mistaken. Chris used an Iron Will broadhead. His guide would not allow him to use a mechanical broadhead. Probably should not have posted the video publically. Watch Sarah Bowmar's Cape Buffalo hunt. 3 shots. Can't deny the Ashby reports.
You guys need to get over yourselves. You are becoming like every other UA-cam hunter and losing sight of reality. 99% of hunters don’t film, don’t run to UA-cam and show off a paid hunt. They work a normal 9-5 abd care about their rights to hunt. What Chris bee did was pretty shameful, he paid a ton of money to make a promo video for a product and it failed tremendously. It most likely has hurt the hunting community in Australia and for what? So he can blast another picture on Instagram to try and sell some overseas carbon fiber? It’s getting wildly out of hand and the fact yall are trying to shame the very people that keep your doors open as customers is pretty sad. The reality is anti hunting has and is coming for what we love, and the fact that you are saying people shouldn’t be mad about the kind of crap Chris and other posts?!? Cmon man…. Btw you didn’t even watch the damn video, how can you criticize?!! Don’t point shame at people for criticizing a celebrity hunter who basically pays to play and all he does is promote products that pay him money. You should be blasting the people that think this kind of crap is alright. All of these Instagram celebrity hunters don’t care about hunting rights, they just flood the channels with products to sell. None of them actually show up for anything conservation/ meetings on hunting rights/ any hunting activism. Yall just promote another coupon code to save 10% at check out. Time for a reality check. Go back to doing unbiased reviews, that’s where you belong… You’ve gotten pretty ignorant lately…
@@paulheberling2750 he’s also one of Mathew’s pony boy and we all know what happens when you criticize one of them… remember when Dan and Josh criticized Levi’s tac vane video… they deleted it and made an apology video LMFAO
@@larrywalicki you’re absolutely right in everything you said. The fact they cannot see it is what’s truly astonishing. It made me realize they are here for self promotion only and have zero thoughts for the way they push content and how it impacts hunting. The increased legislation on hunting is bad enough as it is. Tacking on talking about your head shot on an antelope just shows there is no respect for hunting or the animals being harvested. As but long as it gets you more clicks and likes…..
You guys really stepped into it on this one.Without watching the whole first video you should have just kept quiet.The first buff he shot would have baan a no go on a buff with any kind of arrow and totally reckless. He sure left a mess for the Aussie bowhunters with bowhunting in Australia under serious threat.
The Buffalo hunt shows that a light fast arrow is not always the answer. We can argue weight all day but truth is lighter faster arrows have a place and when u are hunting tough dangerous game you should be using a heavy bone breaking arrow! After this buffalo video idk how anyone can argue that point. Again I’m not saying you need it on deer or even elk but when u go after bigger game you need more arrow weight.
Y’all are slaves to the game at this point. Funny how any response to your pinned comment aren’t shown. The advice you gave to shoot antelope in the guts because they “whirl” is crazy. Especially at the distances you guys think is acceptable. Tim literally said if you hit them they will probably die. How many have you shot big boy? I feel bad for new hunters listening to this crap. Glad you were successful. Don’t hide the failures like you tried to do last year though.
Any shot beyond 50 yds you might as well be using a rifle, the whole purpose of using a bow is to get close my belief anyway. To much can happen beyond that and none of it good. Driving home from 10 day Colorado elk solo wilderness hunt. Life is good 🏹⛺️🌲🏔️🦌
Josh, it's funny how you would shoot a light arrow at a distance but a heavy one at 20 yards. Why not just shoot the light at 20 yards? The heavy will have more potential at a distance over a light arrow for penetration ability. Physics 101. If you are willing to shoot the light arrow at a distance, there is no reason not to shoot the same arrow at 20 yards.
I'm just guessing he's factoring in time to target. At 20 yards a slower arrow will still reach its target withing whatever he considers acceptable time frame but shooting at 60 yards it would take more than 3x as long to hit the the target. Another thing to consider is at 20 yards if you misrange the target by a few yards your miss would more than likely still be in the kill zone however at 60 yards and further misranging may result in a complete miss or a poor shot.
The reason people weren't happy is because the frontal shot wasn't a follow up shot it was the first shot, I don't think you should commenting if can't remember what your commenting on.
The problem is the shot he took on the first buffalo should not have been taken, and subsequently he wounded an animal they never found. You guys needed to see the full video.
Kind of sucks you wanted a raw reaction to the situation and you ended up getting it wrong. Some times passion clouds our judgements and reactions and that’s what happened here. You were so worried about the “heavy arrow” fanatics talking about penetration that you skipped over the real problem. Blinded by the hate of the weight.
Josh, you’re making a mistake he actually says it it was a two blade fixed head because that’s what the outfitter told him he can only use A unethical shot is when you take a shot knowing that it won’t be a good shot or knowing your equipment is not made to make a good shot of course depending every animal is different Him going for a water Buffalo he should have uses a 2 blade fixed and 550+ arrow
Recent Chris Bee drama led me to this video. Read social media posts where other bowhunters where trashing him. Mostly heavy arrow guys from what I can tell. Dr Ashby even through him under the bus blaming him contributing to Australia's bowhunting ban coming on the books and then tooted his own horn about heavy arrows and recovery rates.... blah blah. really was disheartening that fellow hunters would throw another to the wolves. lost all respect for ashby. i watched the video for myself that I think is the whole thing. shot it 4 times but 1st and either the 2nd or last were complete broadsided pass through, as in two holes per shot, despite the arrow is still in it. i think you're both stand up gentlemen great for bowhunting from listening to your thoughts on this. sorry i'm done now.
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hindsight is 20/20. There is a point where adding more weight to an arrow is a detriment to you're setup. All of the heavy arrow fanboys want you to shoot a steel bar at 100 fps.
44:55 Bro... really? We have heard you mock the heavy arrow guys more than a dozen times in the last couple years. Chris Bee, while trying to prove the heavy arrow stuff wrong, inadvertently proved it right. We all saw what we saw.
Genuinely interested in the logic that says Chris's video proved "the heavy arrow stuff" right. I didn't walk away from the video with that impression whatsoever.
@@wyohntr one of his shots should have been a double lung but penitrated so little it fell out as the Buffalo ran off. Take your biased blindfold off and accept reality
@@jrod4717 I'm not really all that biased and see nuance, pros and cons to both sides of the argument depending on various variables. Maybe I'm misremembering the video but I recollect the second buffalo as MFJJ does - two arrows went completely through the animal (can't ask for anything more) and several less than ideal follow-up shots got minimal penetration as Chris was trying to get as many arrows into it as possible. I wasn't convinced that an 800 gr arrow would have achieved any different results.
@@wyohntr you and MFJJ are indeed remembering wrong. 2 arrows got half an arrow in, one lung at best, the other two did next to nothing. And if you would have paid attention you would have heard the guide himself say at the recovery, "You really do have to use something heavier, like in that 650 grain range. They're tough and their ribs are stacked right next to each other." . There's no nuance to it.
There is no shame with shooting animals multiple times when additional shots present themselves, especially on potentially dangerous animals even with large caliber rifles. Bow hunters usually don’t get another chance on the animals we typically hunt with our bows so I think that’s where some people get worked up about shooting animals more than once with an arrow. Now I’ll admit, even if I have another shot at a deer I stuck sometimes I don’t shoot him again if it’s stumbling because i can see it’s going down. If I can tell it wasn’t a really good hit, yeah I stick another in him. Where I’m a little bit disappointed is Chris not getting all that close, he was lobbing some fairly long shots by bow hunting standards. But I’ll admit, I’m not entirely sure what the circumstances were so I’m not going to get super worked up over it.
You guys should really get the facts before speaking on stuff , he wounded one with the frontal then deleted the video , then turned the 2nd one into a pin cushion , the guide told him he needs a heavier arrow and a fixed head . He was in fact in the wrong .
I agree with you guys but I also know that a heavier arrow would of cleared the animal's chest cavity causing a better hemorrhaging out the body causing a faster death. This in turn would cause better momentum causing the arrow to go thru. Chris also went against the advise of the guide/ pro archer. When this case, the arrow was blocking the hemorrhage. This is why as a first responder on patient s that are impaled by anything. You are to stablize the object impaled and transport to prevent further damage and the person bleeding out. Now thats my point. We should analyze this with constructive criticism to learn from. But Chris thought better than the local pros. Thats his mistake. Take info from everybody but learn from it not poo poo it. I still like Chris but he needs to also do some sole searching to become the best he can be.
Please both of you just rewatch the whole video. 1) he wanted to use his G5 mechanicals but they wouldn’t let him (for good reason) 2) he shot two different bulls. BOTH with fixed blades A) first bull was frontal and he never found it. Terrible shot choice for anyone to take B) 2nd bull was 4 arrows and none went in more than 1/2 the arrow. I love you guys but you need to watch the video before you discuss it please. I’d suggest you share your opinions after you rewatch
Oofta… guys it’s not the Buffalo that he killed that everyone was fired up about. Chris shot a bull before the one he killed and it didn’t go well. The bull was frontal and the arrow hit high neck with no penetration. He also was shooting a fixed two blade that his guide gave him according to another podcast… not a dead meat. I’m not a heavy arrow ranch fairy guy either I shoot deadmeats with a 400ish grain arrow not trying to hate, but I would get Chris on your show and have him tell his side of the story.
Think you boys need to do a update video with what really happened with chris. I saw that video a couple days after it dropped and found it concerning. Not intended to kick a man while he's down, but that video has already been used against bow hunters and questions the ethics of bowhunting in general. Hopefully he will make a video first explaining his conduct regarding the first bull with rough yardages. I'd really like to hear your opinions after if it happens.
Hey Josh I shot a bull elk last week With a 404 grain Iron will wide and he ducked the shot at 40 yards ended up getting another shot at him 45 yards 1/4 away and used a Beast Broadhead he ran 70 yards and crashed
@JoshandTim probably should speculate on a video that’s being used in Australia to propose a ban on bow hunting and defend the unethical shots and setups used by fellow influencers. But hey do what u gotta do to protect light arrows so u don’t look bad when Ashby and company have data to support their claims. Anecdotal evidence is not data. Start coughing up the money or get sponsored and gather more data than “well I’ve done this or that with 450grains” it’s just not enough anymore for bodies that wanna get rid of archery hunting.
Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling you didn’t watch the video… I guess we’re just going to gloss over the full on frontal attack made by MFJJ, Bee, the Elk Dbag and Dudley towards heavy arrow guys. Choices have consequences! Reap the whirlwind Tunstel….
Hope your Fall is off to a great start. If you’re in the field good luck and hunt hard! We were trying to bring up the Chris Bee video for reference but it looked like it was pulled down. So if our facts aren’t all straight it’s because we’re going off of memory. Still though, hunters should support other hunters, learn from our experiences and move forward. Nobody is perfect and hunting is challenging. Make the best choice you can with the information you have and live and learn. Appreciate ya’ll. Subscribe to the pod if you’re not. -TC
Most of us hunt without video or hope of monetization. Those that do are not immune to scrutiny. I wouldn’t want all of my hunts- successful or embarrassing - to be put on the internet. Reap what you sow. I honestly feel bad for all of you “influencers” Slaves to the game. I’ll continue to hunt for reasons other than fame or a podcast. I hope everyone has a successful season especially if people aren’t watching.
It’s 100% ok for criticizing stupidity . For instance if you’re a shitty parent , guess what you’re going to hear about it . Your stick together bs because we are hunter is the same logic the left used for the clot shot and masks . 🤷🏻♂️ think about it
@@JoshandTim you shouldn't comment with so much scrutiny if you don't know everything that went on
Your facts aren’t straight because he edited the first Buffalo out. You only got the edited version with the second animal making it look much much better. The frontal everyone is upset about is in the first animal. We all do are best and all make mistakes but the men who own up to them are the men who should be leading the industry not the ones who edit a video because there not willing to take the back lash. You’re held to a higher standard when you have that much spotlight. Don’t get me wrong I get there’s people looking for any little thing to argue or complain over but that was a really bad look and I definitely lost respect for him.
sry but hunters should not stand with other hunters who do wrong thats bullshit and makes everyone look just as stupid we should stand with them if they own there mishap and support that but not the way chris did it how the hell yall gonna even speak on it when you dont know the facts.. plus he was told many times not to use those kid arrows my the locals and he turned his nose up to that.. I like chriss but he gets what he gets after the way he tried to hide it and lie about it his kid arrow could not even get through the guts. so hate on Troy some more seems he was correct...
Ok Ok An australian here. He shot a Dingo which is protected in the Northern Territory. It'd be like a celebrity Aussie hunter lobbing into some national park in the states that's had its wolves repopulated and then someone films an arrow going through one where they are protected. No one hunts Buffalo with sub 500 grain arrows without solid broadheads here. Right now in Australia the anti hunting left6rd greens lobby is going after bow hunting in a big way because we are the easier mark to take out compared to shooters. We have only 7 states and territories and bowhunting which is only legal in some of them, was just banned in South Australia. That's a state 50% bigger than Texas. That ruling has set a precedent that'll be used as the blue print in other states and territories if they are given the pretext. The pretext for the south australian ban that was some idiot who shot a neighbours cat and another who shot a possum in their roof space - just idiots, not hunters. So it doesn't take much! So when Chris released a video with the Dingo kill (note that when he first edited the video he took out the Dingo) he gave the anti bow hunting lobby everything they need on a plate to go after us nationally. Even if there is some loophole RE the dingo - I don't know, maybe it was native land title or something, it doesn't matter to the people who'll use it. Spin it any way you want but the optics of that last kill weren't good when what we normally see publicly from our hunters is single pass throughs and buffalo that drop peacefully. Thats why so much criticism came his way particularly from Australians. He flew in flew out and potentially has left a wreckage behind him that you guys simply won't be on the end of.
Well said
This is the real story right here.
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@@bbmas1930 does anyone have a link to the full video?
@@bbmas1930 well said. Just hope MFJJ takes off his blinders
Josh getting that fired up telling people to shut their mouths when he in fact didn’t watch the video before he pulled it is comical and would get slapped in the face talking like that in person . Talk about an internet hero !
Yea its a bad look for josh. I agree. He immediately defends anyone big in the industry as a way to piggy back off them. That's my opinion.
I'm starting to think Josh gets an end of year commission check from UV
The man is too sensitive in this area. He just needs to admit at the end of the day, it’s about the arrow not the broadhead.
@@zaynemikita6897 seems legit.
What a joke, what he did. Shows his true colors I guess.
Probably shouldn't have done a discussing and reaction to something you didn't get to fully watch.
The frontal was on his first buffalo. It only got maybe 6 inches.
The buffalo that he killed, was an entirely different animal that took 4 arrows to bring down. None of those arrows even made it to the vanes.
Knowing that info makes the discussion entirely different
Also he was shooting fixed blades
Well said
@Erick-ie8ll oh. And I left out the part where he shot a protected animal. He killed a dingo, which are protected in the northern territory.
4 UV arrows, that’s like $170 in arrows
go watch water buffalo hunts and tell me an any of the videos does it reach the vanes.
He shot one and looked for a day to find it, never found it so started hunting another. He shot and killed the water buffalo no bid deal.
I’ve never seen Josh get so fired up about something without having any of the facts. It’s ok to just say “I don’t know” when you don’t know something. Chris knew what he did was wrong, that’s why he deleted the video
Half the ppl don’t realize he shot two buffalo, he edited out the first one he wounded he did a frontal shot at distance
Yeah it’s kinda sad these guys didn’t have the full context
And then you have Josh Jones getting all emotional yelling at people for criticizing when he had zero clue what he was talking about lol
@@bowdude33 yeah that part frustrated me lol
You’re 100% correct he deleted one of the videos
he couldnt find the water buffalo he shot first, he looked for a day and never found it, so he then goes and hunts another water buffalo and kills it.
His responsibility as a Hunter was to use appropriate equipment for the animal you hunt. Thank God they made him use a fixed blade or it would have been worse. I agree on follow up shots, but you dont shoot a 22lr at something that requires a Magnum.
The issues weren’t shooting the buffalo multiple times. It’s that he shot one before that with a frontal that they never found. Then edited it out of the video later on.. it was also kinda disappointing that he was talking about how light of an arrow he was using then had that one wounded buffalo & then had to shoot the other quite a few times. I’m all for light arrow setups for hunting, just not buffalo.
A lot of the negative comments towards Chris Bee on his Buffalo hunt, actually came from Australians. There is a big movement against bow hunting Australia, and the optics on this hunt didn't help things. He actually shot 2 Buffalo, wounding the first one and ultimately Chris, did not recover that animal. As an ambassador to the sport, you need to understand more of the big picture.
I doubt that
I’m sure he understands more than you by a long shot 😂
Doubt what? He's 100% correct. Bow hunting is getting banned in SA in December and they're pushing the whole country@@paulheberling2750
Yeah you guys missed the point of the criticism. He frontal shot an animal he never recovered then continued to hunt. I remember josh shot a bull and didn’t recover it last year and he considered his tag filled. Also his guide made him switch to a two blade fixed which he didn’t say in the video because his sponsor would be upset he didn’t use their head. There was plenty to criticize in Chris bees video.
I didn't get to watch either video of Chris because he deleted them like a coward. But Dr. Ed Ashby made a comment that the second edited video Chris said he used a single bevel but the actual video showed him using a g5 montec which makes sense because I believe they are one if his sponsors and they don't make a single bevel.
40:30 if you’re here for the Chris Bee controversy.
God send
That should’ve taken 40 minutes not 16 🤦♂️
MVP
Not all hero’s wear capes.
My man
An Aussie here. I saw the very first video Chris Bee posted the same day it was posted.
First off. Thinking bumping your bow up to 82# but thinking a 450gr total mass arrow is good enough for a water buffalo here is delusional. NO ONE here uses arrows that light, not uses an expandable head on Buffalo.
2. You'd have thought he would have done at least a very small amount of research or contacted locals about where to hit a buffalo before the trip. Buffalo are NOT soft like an elk... watch some Harrison Pugh videos and you'll get a BIG esucation on what to use and where to hit them.
3. Maybe go with a more ruptable Australian guide that knows the legality of different animals you're going to shoot before you go.
4. Thw first buff he shot was an extremely hard quartering on shot he should never have taken. Hit smacked straight into a shoulder bone with his pathetic little arrow and it stopped VERY quickly. Again, buff arent Elk or white tail so have a clue where to put an arrow and WAIT for the shot you need.
5. Second buffalo. A proper arrow set up and knowing where to hit the animal property would have seen it on the ground in one arrow, not 4 rubbish shots. Americans need to better learn anatomy and animal behaviour and put the shots into the heart not try to hit a 10 ring thats in the wrong place.
The fact the video was taken down in the end just shows how much he fucked up and hopefully he learns from it before he tries it again.
Zero reason to take an 80 yard shot on a buffalo... or any animal for that reason... just be a better hunter and get close, thats why we shoot bows not rifles.
As an American, there’s one thing I can comment on the anatomy.
I agree a lot of people aim for a 10 ring which is way too far back. But another thing is American game animals such as whitetail and elk do have vitals that are a little further back than animals from other continents, especially Africa for example.
I personally aim for shoulder and use a RF arrow. Over 20% FOC and well above 650.
He went out to try and prove a point between heavy and light and it backfired
Definitely backfired. Ranch got em
Exactly! You can't beat physics and facts. We as bowhunters should use the most ethical equipment we can. It's not about ego it's about owing it to the animal to put it down as quickly as possible.
going to Australia because ur arrows don't meet requirements in other countries is pretty asinine if you ask me, but who am i? the whole trip was planned around this fact.
Chris edited out the part of the video where the guide literally says " that's why u need a heavy arrow." AND THEN proceeded to explain the muscles of the animal.
he also edited out the first shot on the SECOND buffalo.... leg tucked back getting ready to step and he just flat out shot.
Really enjoy your videos but you may not have all the facts on the Chris Bee water buffalo hunt. You should consider addressing this circumstance later, so you don't damage your own reputations defending a situation that you are not fully aware of.
Take this video down just like Chris bee did. Do us all a favor.
I just have so many issues with this podcast. Teaching a new hunter to shoot long distance. Shooting an antelope in the back of the head. Then spining it on the follow up. Texas heart shots cause shooting long distance at the middle of them is the new strategy. Bragging about doing it multiple years in a row. I’ve seen mfjj shoot at tac at those distances and it’s not the most accurate. Maybe it’s a kill shot maybe it’s not. You may have a successful business but you should not be promoting crap like this. And Tim you don’t have the experience to be agreeing with him. The best hunters I know don’t talk like this. New hunters eat this up and think they can fling arrows past 50 yards cause that’s what you do. Just aim at the middle and shoot huh? If you’re going to have this platform be RESPECTFUL of the animals. I hate that this kind of content is out there for new hunters. Your only saving grace for me is that you don’t film these “hunts”
Very well said. To shoot an animal in the back of the head and laugh about it? If this is the stuff they’re telling us on their channel, imagine the things that they do that they won’t put on camera. But josh is never wrong.
The Chris Bee thing in my opinion wasn't about the second buffalo he shot, it's about the first one he took a frontal on and didn't recover the animal
Yeah that frontal on the first buffalo was the issue not the second one.
I must have only saw the clip on the second one. How far was the frontal?
True, but the combination between the 2 buffalo wasn't a good look.
I think the other part of controversy besides the first buffalo was that he did shoot a fixed broadhead (because the guides did not let him shoot the mechanicals) and yet he still had to put 4 arrows into it. Hence, the blame going to the arrow weight instead how tough a water buffalo actual is.
Nah, it’s about both.
MFJJ’s ego is baffling 😅 he thinks everything he says is law. He didn’t watch the full video yet had to comment due to the comments on the video if you watched the whole video Chris said that the PH told him to use a fix blade also Chris hid the fact he shot at multiple bulls and wounded but only one was put on film. MFJJ is smart but ego is to large he needs to be more humble
I have never seen a person in my entire life with a bigger ego than Josh. Telling the people that support his channel to shut up, just because of a difference in opinion? And Chris Bee is a “professional hunter” supposedly. Well, professionals don’t make those kind of mistakes. Idk if I’ll ever watch this podcast again after Josh’s little temper tantrum. And Tim nodding and agreeing with him, when neither of them even watched the video. And josh if the broadhead is the most important part, u should at least find out if he was using a mechanical or fixed blade before u tell people to shut up.
@@JeremyBevans-rz5rc agreed 👍 if it all came down to the broadhead… well, he used a fixed blade, PH wouldn’t let him use a mech. Josh needs a nice slice of humble pie.
Yup mfjj is pretty high on himself not really a fan find him hard to believe or trust I mean the guys like 56 years old with a mohawk he’s pretty laughable
Any grown adult with a mowhawk still needs a reality check
You got it wrong. The controversy is the poor shot on the first Buffalo they didn’t find.
No it was also about the procupining of the second
And you can claim you've never wounded an animal?
Just shows that even high elite shooters ate human and can make mistakes as well as any of us
@@macmcleod9328 yes, but his whole thrust is that you don’t need a heavy arrow for even large game! His outright refusal and then his wounding of the buffalo to death is the problem.
@paulheberling2750 for close shots he would go with heavy arrows. Longer shots take time for arrow to get there, hence why lighter arrows travel faster than a heavy arrow, and getting the arrow there on long shots quicker reduces the time an animal can react to the bow going off. Its al.ost how bullets are becoming lighter and faster for people who hunt/shoot long range
@@macmcleod9328 yes but a water buffalo isn’t going to jump the string on a heavy arrow. Also no one would shoot a smaller faster .22 lr at a buffalo over a larger caliber bullet. That’s why they think he’s off on his thinking here.
Tiresome watching the mohawk get it completely wrong again.
Yeah it’s getting old
Gotta love these youtube personalities giving you there I'm right you're wrong opinion on things and they don't even know the story
Quote from the Boone and Crockett Pronghorn scoring website. "D-2. Circumference at 1st Quarter: Divide Measurement C of the longer horn by four. Starting at the base, mark both horns at these quarters (even though the other horn is shorter) and measure the circumferences at these marks. If the prong interferes with D-2, move the measurement down to just below the swelling of the prong. If D-3 falls in the swelling of the prong, move the measurement up to just above the prong."
There's a reason Chris Bee himself edited the video to take out the first buffalo, then took down the video altogether.
The main issue was the frontal shot on the first bull, which he chose or was told to take. He ended up hitting it in the ball of the shoulder causing poor penetration and the bull was never found. Honestly, it was a shot that shouldn't have been taken no matter arrow weight or broadhead. It didn't look good when it happened. Tim, I believe the broadhead he was using a Montec. We all make mistakes during our hunting careers. Overall, lesson learned for all and one shouldn't hate on Chris for making a mistake.
*Just listened to Chris Bee on a podcast clip and he used a two blade fixed broadhead. He said the PH made him use it.
he didn't have a montec. he wanted to use one but guide said two blade cut on contact. no exceptions. you can see it right in the video when they recovered the buffalo. at one point the buffalo runs off but it's all the same buffalo despite another comes in. that's what i saw in the video. his second shot was not good and as described quartering into the front of the shoulder but that's after a lethal first shot buried to the fletching.
The first buffalo frontal shot was ill advised.
He put 4 arrows into the second buffalo because he could - most hunters can't reload as fast as he can and certainly aren't as accurate as him. Like MFJJ said, what's he supposed to do, stop shooting? He buried 2 arrows up to the fletching. The buffalo died in, like, 45 seconds - would it have died in 25 seconds had he used a 600 grain arrow? Would everyone's criticism of Bee disappear if he had used a heavy arrow? It's not making sense, and unfortunately leaves you with the conclusion that ppl have a hard on for Bee - and that's a shame as we are all hunters.
Dude he should have shot a heavy arrow the second shot and the difference would have been noticeable
@@paulheberling2750are ur panties in a wad you’re in every comment
@toddzoro9831 Tell us, is it hard to breathe up there?
He was still shooting arrows into the Buffalo at 45 seconds took way longer than that to die
As an aussie bowhunter I feel frustrated with the relaxed manner in which these two blokes comment on the@ChrisBeeReal video. Mistakes in bow hunting happen, we all know that. The issue isn't whether Chris bee is infallible or not. The real issue is that his reckless abandonment of proven arrow weight and broad head selection on a dangerous game animal coupled with the shooting of a protected species, and the disregard of knowing the anatomy of the animal he was targeting has been used to take away the rights of thousands of bowhunters in a single continent. His video, the full version was played in parliament to support banning bowhunting in South Australia! Down here we don't have our freedoms protected by law and constitutions, ours are given to us as 'privileges', that in the outdoors space are being taken away from us constantly. Chris put this video up purely for money and its clear he cares more about that than our sport! He then gives a backhanded apology and moves on! He doesn't have to live with the consequences of his actions in OUR country, WE do!
Where do we go from here? A precedent has been set in this country and he has given the antis the perfect video resource for their campaign to move other states to follow the Ban.
@joshandTim I'm disappointed in the lack of support as you sit back and dismiss the people who are concerned/upset about this video!
www.youtube.com/@JoshandTim
You guys are also commenting and giving your opinion on something you clearly dont know the whole story! There was 2 different water buffalo not 1.
This is very accurate. I really appreciate these guys bringing it up because I think it’s something needs to be talked about, but to not have the full story or all the context is definitely a disservice.
If I remember correctly, the guide had him change to a fixed blade.
I had no issue with Chris Bee shooting the SECOND Buffalo. The FIRST water buffalo he shot was at a hard quartering to angle which he had no business taking that shot.
He preaches light arrows and shot placement but takes a very low percentage shot which ultimately lead to a wounded animal.
The issue was Chris obviously put content before the ethical harvest of the animal. It wasn’t about ethically harvesting an animal just for the hunt it was producing content to sell more “premium” hunting gear. If he wasn’t married to so many sponsors he would have used a set up like Josh described at the end of the video. Closer to 600 grains with an iron will or like broadhead. But he didn’t because it obviously means more to him to produce content (to make sponsorship dollars) than to ethically harvest an animal. The hunting community obviously took issue with that, as we should. It was obviously just for the content. If his sponsors produced a more conducive set up for water buffalo I’m sure he would’ve used it, but they don’t so instead of choosing a set up that was more ethical for the game he was hunting he chose to push his product.
Why are you guys discussing something you didn't watch??? You got literally every fact wrong. 2 different bulls, no penetration on the frontal bull and 4 arrows that didn't make it half way and he was forced to shoot fixed blades... Wth
But rather let’s tell everyone who did watch to “shut your mouth!”
Most people were talking about Chris's shot on the first bull that got away. He shot it frontside.. And it ran off. He edited it later and took out that part, and he explained that they looked for that animal for a day and a half but didn't show that, so it kind of looked like he shot it and was like "oh well," and moved on to the next one.
He literally did a frontal shot on one and never recovered it . Then shot the second one 4 times . He edited his video and took out the first frontal he never recovered. Then took took down the video completely
Blindly defending another influencer without even knowing why they were/are under fire is such a bad look. But I wouldn't expect anything less from an influencer with one of the biggest ego's of all, which is obviously saying something considering some of these narcissists. Anything for more attention and money, right?
Yeah it’s pretty remarkable how blind these dudes are from reality. They pay people to hold a camera and all of a sudden they think their opinions matter. Time for a reality check… what people need to understand is these “influencers” are chasing money. They don’t give a damn about anyone else or the fact that their “content” can and will hurt hunters a an entire group… but hey! just use my 10% off coupon code at checkout
The guide told him he needs a fixed blade and a heavier arrow
Maybe Josh and Tim are intentionally making errors to drive engagement 🤣
When I saw the video CB made of the Alaska moose hunt, I realized he doesn't really care about the hunting. He only cares about making videos. He's kinda a clown actually.
Guys the hate on Chris Bee is because of his poor shot choice on 2 buffalo, and it hard to watch those shots.
In the state of South Australia, the government has just BANNED BOWHUNTING...... they're looking at other states to possibly ban bowhunting as well.
This was the worst timing for this sort of footage as the ban has only just come into effect and we've been advocating for ethical bowhunting.......
It's disappointing to see you disagree so strongly without knowing all the facts and details.
Congrats on the Antelope MFJJ! I got my first this year with a bow so I'm on cloud 9!
In terms of scoring, BC states:
D-2. Circumference at 1st Quarter
Divide Measurement C of the longer horn by four. Starting at the base, mark both horns at these quarters (even though the other horn is shorter) and measure the circumferences at these marks. If the prong interferes with D-2, move the measurement down to just below the swelling of the prong. If D-3 falls in the swelling of the prong, move the measurement up to just above the prong.
Hope this helps clear up the circumference issue with the prongs 🤙
You’ve lost a viewer and a customer after this. Your arrogance has always been pretty stiff but I gave you points for your tuning skills and knowledge base. You may be a legitimate bow tuner and technician but based on your choice of hunting shots and baselessly defending Chris Bee’s video (when you know people take your words to heart) without having any facts is truly atrocious. Be better man. You have a responsibility to younger and inexperienced hunters. Not to mention the passion of hunting we all have is facing more pressure and legislation by the day. Be a better ambassador for all of us.
He only got 2 holes with those 2 arrows cause the buffalo fell on that side and pushed em through
Yep.. it was bad. He doesn’t tell the full story
NO, Chris went buffalo hunting with a whitetail setup and it failed. He had light arrows and cheap 3 blade broadheads (Montecs). That is the issue. Why he chose to do that is beyond me. He wounded the first buffalo because he didn't get any penetration. The second buffalo he shot was close to the same deal. Horrible penetration. There is an anti-Ashby sentiment with the mathews crowd. I think it comes from Joel Maxfield. It isn't like Ashby hasn't put thousands of arrows through buffalo. If Chris B comes out and says he shouldn't have went with such a light setup it would do him a world of good. There is a reason people buffalo hunt with 20%foc, 650gr plus arrows, and high quality 2 blade heads. Josh Bowmar's wife is just as stupid. She tried the same shit.
There are definitely things to criticize in the Chris Bee UA-cam video - insensitivity to the current plight of bowhunting in Australia, frontally shooting the one buffalo, trying to use a Deadmeat on a giant/tough animal, shooting the dingo which is apparently protected in parts of Australia, among other things.
But on the narrow issue of his setup, the ripping of him is over the top. Bee shot a fast shooting 82lb draw weight bow, a fixed two blade broadhead (not a Montec it turns out and which is not a cheap broadhead) with a +/-450 TAW. Two of the arrows were buried deep. So we're to believe a 650 TAW would've resulted in an entirely different outcome with respect to the second buffalo? 200 more grains and those arrows magically zip through that buffalo. That's BS and defies logic. Is a heavy arrow/fixed two blade shot from Dr. Ashby's 160 fps, less accurate, longbow more ethical - particularly when you probably only get one shot at the animal?
The frontal issue was with the first buffalo that he took the frontal shot on and got zero penetration. Second buffalo he didn't get a frontal, shot it in the shoulder blade and it stopped.
He didn't get it to poke through on the second buffalo, only got one through when it fell. Was something he claimed on IG but soon after reviewing the video a lot of people came to the same conclusion. He claims that the shots made on the off side are the exit holes for shot #1 and #2 (which was in the shoulder) but even you guys recall there were 4 shots but he only mentions 2 shots . Guide made him use a 2 blade single bevel as well.
Hindsight is 20/20, but its something that would have been easily prevented. His video also made him look like he cared more about the arrow premotion than the animals life. Saying water buffalo are the toughest animal you can shoot with an arrow and the UV 1K did it but even the guide disagreed. Making it look like why his arrow weight was so low was because of the actual promotion. There was a lot for people to be mad about, from not being honest on his posts (still up even after being called out) to how he acted in the video.
If your gonna get close, distance is not a factor, then he's going heavy! Lol. Bow hunting suppose to be a close game. That's what makes it exciting.
You two are misinformed on the Chris Bee situation. He edited the original video and took out the footage of the first buffalo he shot. It was that buffalo that was the issue. The dude claimed to have read the Ashby reports and then proceeded to make his first and only shot a frontal shoulder shot on a water buffalo with a 440 grain arrow. And the outfitter made him use a fixed two blade. A 650+ grain arrow (with help from the proper broadhead) really only matters when you hit thick bone, and he took a shot where the chance of hitting the shoulder was super high.
Chris Bee shot a Montec at the Buffalo he mentions early in the video he wanted to shoot the Mega meat but didn't think the guide would allow him to
We have every right to criticize Chris B. There is a reason buffalo hunters all recommend 650-800grain arrows with quality two blade heads. Bee found out why. He is lucky to have had the results he got.
I mean his results were it took 5 arrows to get 1 animal.
He shot 2 buffalos not just the 1 yall are talking abt so please no the FACTS PLEASE also guide made him use fixed head on 2nd buffalo
I think the one he lost, (the first one), he shot with a mechanical. Honestly Josh, who shoots an animal north of 1500 lbs with a fu%^ing mechanical broad head. Ridiculous...
Nah he shot it with a single bevel
Sorry dudes, the Chris Bee buff: you are talking about the second buff that he killed. He also shot a first buff that he wounded and never found.
I like Chris for showing reality.
But you dudes are talking about the wrong buff.
There were 2 buffalos. He shot the 1st broadside and they didn't find it. The 2nd one was shot frontally as the 1st shot. Just to make the facts clear.
Am I remembering it wrong or did they edit the footage? I remember the first buffalo shot was a frontal that was more or less hit in the shoulder bone and it ran off never to be found, then the buffalo he ended up killing took several shots, including some broadside and some quartering (4 or 5 if I remember correctly) and that one eventually expired
@@thwackTX yes. They edited it and he made a comment about it being edited. Then they pulled it. I watched the original and my initial reaction before reading any comments or seeing any of the drama was that it was all around not a great showing.
@@thwackTXYou’re remembering right. First buffalo was a frontal shot and ran off.
@@PhotoBobi had same experience as you not a great look
Dont think he did anything wrong just not post it up
@@thwackTXyou’ve got it correct.
Can you please post a video of your broadheads hitting with field points at 150. Thank you ☺️
Clicked on this video because I thought they would have an educated discussion but the comments told me all I needed to know…
I love the pod, but guys please get more information before you start blasting emotions out on a topic. You didn't see the whole video of Chris taking a frontal shot on the first buffalo and never recovered it. I mean how long till you start calling your followers "keyboard warriors" like he did...
The fire has just began dudes!
Ahhh yes. The Jesus Christ of archery weighs in on his buddy's issues. Buffalo Bee should be chrispys new nickname.
You cant really comment you didn't see the video yall are way off on what actually happened it was two different water buffalo
Love the discussion about Chris with non of the correct information 😂
Why shoot a heavy arrow if 90% is the broad head, kinda stepping on your own foot with that comment
If I am not mistaken. Chris used an Iron Will broadhead. His guide would not allow him to use a mechanical broadhead. Probably should not have posted the video publically. Watch Sarah Bowmar's Cape Buffalo hunt. 3 shots. Can't deny the Ashby reports.
You guys need to get over yourselves. You are becoming like every other UA-cam hunter and losing sight of reality. 99% of hunters don’t film, don’t run to UA-cam and show off a paid hunt. They work a normal 9-5 abd care about their rights to hunt. What Chris bee did was pretty shameful, he paid a ton of money to make a promo video for a product and it failed tremendously. It most likely has hurt the hunting community in Australia and for what? So he can blast another picture on Instagram to try and sell some overseas carbon fiber? It’s getting wildly out of hand and the fact yall are trying to shame the very people that keep your doors open as customers is pretty sad. The reality is anti hunting has and is coming for what we love, and the fact that you are saying people shouldn’t be mad about the kind of crap Chris and other posts?!? Cmon man…. Btw you didn’t even watch the damn video, how can you criticize?!!
Don’t point shame at people for criticizing a celebrity hunter who basically pays to play and all he does is promote products that pay him money. You should be blasting the people that think this kind of crap is alright. All of these Instagram celebrity hunters don’t care about hunting rights, they just flood the channels with products to sell. None of them actually show up for anything conservation/ meetings on hunting rights/ any hunting activism. Yall just promote another coupon code to save 10% at check out.
Time for a reality check. Go back to doing unbiased reviews, that’s where you belong… You’ve gotten pretty ignorant lately…
But we can’t criticize Chris his platform is too big…
@@paulheberling2750 he’s also one of Mathew’s pony boy and we all know what happens when you criticize one of them… remember when Dan and Josh criticized Levi’s tac vane video… they deleted it and made an apology video LMFAO
@@larrywalicki and they apologized to Chris when they made fun of him on “accident…”
@@larrywalicki you’re absolutely right in everything you said. The fact they cannot see it is what’s truly astonishing. It made me realize they are here for self promotion only and have zero thoughts for the way they push content and how it impacts hunting. The increased legislation on hunting is bad enough as it is. Tacking on talking about your head shot on an antelope just shows there is no respect for hunting or the animals being harvested. As but long as it gets you more clicks and likes…..
You guys really stepped into it on this one.Without watching the whole first video you should have just kept quiet.The first buff he shot would have baan a no go on a buff with any kind of arrow and totally reckless. He sure left a mess for the Aussie bowhunters with bowhunting in Australia under serious threat.
Yall also forgot about the buffalo he stuck with an arrow and let go.
Love the podcast!!! Keep it up
The Buffalo hunt shows that a light fast arrow is not always the answer. We can argue weight all day but truth is lighter faster arrows have a place and when u are hunting tough dangerous game you should be using a heavy bone breaking arrow! After this buffalo video idk how anyone can argue that point. Again I’m not saying you need it on deer or even elk but when u go after bigger game you need more arrow weight.
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But it seems MFJJ has his narrative to protect
Y’all are slaves to the game at this point. Funny how any response to your pinned comment aren’t shown. The advice you gave to shoot antelope in the guts because they “whirl” is crazy. Especially at the distances you guys think is acceptable. Tim literally said if you hit them they will probably die. How many have you shot big boy? I feel bad for new hunters listening to this crap. Glad you were successful. Don’t hide the failures like you tried to do last year though.
Any shot beyond 50 yds you might as well be using a rifle, the whole purpose of using a bow is to get close my belief anyway. To much can happen beyond that and none of it good. Driving home from 10 day Colorado elk solo wilderness hunt. Life is good 🏹⛺️🌲🏔️🦌
AMEN MFJJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MFJJ FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!
Nooo, the reason Cris got hate was from the first Buffalo that he hit and lost earlier in the video
Tim, I’m so glad you kept asking him questions. Otherwise we would’ve only heard the half of it. Nice
Josh, it's funny how you would shoot a light arrow at a distance but a heavy one at 20 yards. Why not just shoot the light at 20 yards? The heavy will have more potential at a distance over a light arrow for penetration ability. Physics 101. If you are willing to shoot the light arrow at a distance, there is no reason not to shoot the same arrow at 20 yards.
I'm just guessing he's factoring in time to target. At 20 yards a slower arrow will still reach its target withing whatever he considers acceptable time frame but shooting at 60 yards it would take more than 3x as long to hit the the target. Another thing to consider is at 20 yards if you misrange the target by a few yards your miss would more than likely still be in the kill zone however at 60 yards and further misranging may result in a complete miss or a poor shot.
The reason people weren't happy is because the frontal shot wasn't a follow up shot it was the first shot, I don't think you should commenting if can't remember what your commenting on.
The hunting public guys shot an elk stem to stern. Monday morning quarter backing while telling us not to Monday morning quarterback!
The page ‘Just Shoot Your Bow’ has the video in question on their page. Would love to hear their thoughts again after watching it.
The bad frontal was a whole different animal he never found
The problem is the shot he took on the first buffalo should not have been taken, and subsequently he wounded an animal they never found. You guys needed to see the full video.
He should have, just he shouldn’t have taken it with such a twizzlers arrow
@@paulheberling2750 it was a bad shot period, a heavier arrow would not have changed the outcome.
@@RemedyTalon …ok take the blinders off
What a surprise, beast broadheads didn’t penetrate a GOAT! Don’t waste your money guys, use fixed blade
If you think us regular guys wanna be like you..or we are jealous your sadly mistaken.
Kind of sucks you wanted a raw reaction to the situation and you ended up getting it wrong. Some times passion clouds our judgements and reactions and that’s what happened here. You were so worried about the “heavy arrow” fanatics talking about penetration that you skipped over the real problem. Blinded by the hate of the weight.
“Hate of the weight” I see what you did there lmaooo
Josh, you’re making a mistake he actually says it it was a two blade fixed head because that’s what the outfitter told him he can only use
A unethical shot is when you take a shot knowing that it won’t be a good shot or knowing your equipment is not made to make a good shot of course depending every animal is different
Him going for a water Buffalo he should have uses a 2 blade fixed and 550+ arrow
Recent Chris Bee drama led me to this video. Read social media posts where other bowhunters where trashing him. Mostly heavy arrow guys from what I can tell. Dr Ashby even through him under the bus blaming him contributing to Australia's bowhunting ban coming on the books and then tooted his own horn about heavy arrows and recovery rates.... blah blah. really was disheartening that fellow hunters would throw another to the wolves. lost all respect for ashby. i watched the video for myself that I think is the whole thing. shot it 4 times but 1st and either the 2nd or last were complete broadsided pass through, as in two holes per shot, despite the arrow is still in it. i think you're both stand up gentlemen great for bowhunting from listening to your thoughts on this. sorry i'm done now.
I bet that drive to Brazil was brutal 😂😂😂
My favorite heart recipe of all time:
sear the heart with salt and pepper, cook same as a steak til med rare. take out heart and fry onions, garlic, and apples in butter. mix the heart back in. best way to introduce organ meat to someone who hasnt tried before...
hindsight is 20/20. There is a point where adding more weight to an arrow is a detriment to you're setup. All of the heavy arrow fanboys want you to shoot a steel bar at 100 fps.
@@piechy Chris took the video down so he knows he should have just listened to his guide
44:55 Bro... really?
We have heard you mock the heavy arrow guys more than a dozen times in the last couple years. Chris Bee, while trying to prove the heavy arrow stuff wrong, inadvertently proved it right. We all saw what we saw.
Genuinely interested in the logic that says Chris's video proved "the heavy arrow stuff" right. I didn't walk away from the video with that impression whatsoever.
@@wyohntr one of his shots should have been a double lung but penitrated so little it fell out as the Buffalo ran off. Take your biased blindfold off and accept reality
@@jrod4717 I'm not really all that biased and see nuance, pros and cons to both sides of the argument depending on various variables. Maybe I'm misremembering the video but I recollect the second buffalo as MFJJ does - two arrows went completely through the animal (can't ask for anything more) and several less than ideal follow-up shots got minimal penetration as Chris was trying to get as many arrows into it as possible. I wasn't convinced that an 800 gr arrow would have achieved any different results.
@@wyohntr you and MFJJ are indeed remembering wrong. 2 arrows got half an arrow in, one lung at best, the other two did next to nothing. And if you would have paid attention you would have heard the guide himself say at the recovery, "You really do have to use something heavier, like in that 650 grain range. They're tough and their ribs are stacked right next to each other." . There's no nuance to it.
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Invite Chris Bee on the podcast and have the whole video available.
There is no shame with shooting animals multiple times when additional shots present themselves, especially on potentially dangerous animals even with large caliber rifles. Bow hunters usually don’t get another chance on the animals we typically hunt with our bows so I think that’s where some people get worked up about shooting animals more than once with an arrow. Now I’ll admit, even if I have another shot at a deer I stuck sometimes I don’t shoot him again if it’s stumbling because i can see it’s going down. If I can tell it wasn’t a really good hit, yeah I stick another in him. Where I’m a little bit disappointed is Chris not getting all that close, he was lobbing some fairly long shots by bow hunting standards. But I’ll admit, I’m not entirely sure what the circumstances were so I’m not going to get super worked up over it.
You guys should really get the facts before speaking on stuff , he wounded one with the frontal then deleted the video , then turned the 2nd one into a pin cushion , the guide told him he needs a heavier arrow and a fixed head . He was in fact in the wrong .
I agree with you guys but I also know that a heavier arrow would of cleared the animal's chest cavity causing a better hemorrhaging out the body causing a faster death. This in turn would cause better momentum causing the arrow to go thru. Chris also went against the advise of the guide/ pro archer. When this case, the arrow was blocking the hemorrhage. This is why as a first responder on patient s that are impaled by anything. You are to stablize the object impaled and transport to prevent further damage and the person bleeding out. Now thats my point. We should analyze this with constructive criticism to learn from. But Chris thought better than the local pros. Thats his mistake. Take info from everybody but learn from it not poo poo it. I still like Chris but he needs to also do some sole searching to become the best he can be.
Please both of you just rewatch the whole video.
1) he wanted to use his G5 mechanicals but they wouldn’t let him (for good reason)
2) he shot two different bulls. BOTH with fixed blades
A) first bull was frontal and he never found it. Terrible shot choice for anyone to take
B) 2nd bull was 4 arrows and none went in more than 1/2 the arrow.
I love you guys but you need to watch the video before you discuss it please. I’d suggest you share your opinions after you rewatch
No one can watch the video Chris took it down last week.
Oofta… guys it’s not the Buffalo that he killed that everyone was fired up about. Chris shot a bull before the one he killed and it didn’t go well. The bull was frontal and the arrow hit high neck with no penetration. He also was shooting a fixed two blade that his guide gave him according to another podcast… not a dead meat. I’m not a heavy arrow ranch fairy guy either I shoot deadmeats with a 400ish grain arrow not trying to hate, but I would get Chris on your show and have him tell his side of the story.
Yeah it wasn’t the broadhead… it was the arrow. Let MFJJ know
Think you boys need to do a update video with what really happened with chris. I saw that video a couple days after it dropped and found it concerning. Not intended to kick a man while he's down, but that video has already been used against bow hunters and questions the ethics of bowhunting in general. Hopefully he will make a video first explaining his conduct regarding the first bull with rough yardages. I'd really like to hear your opinions after if it happens.
Can we all just admit Ashby was right? Jesus.
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Hey Josh I shot a bull elk last week
With a 404 grain Iron will wide and he ducked the shot at 40 yards ended up getting another shot at him 45 yards 1/4 away and used a Beast Broadhead he ran 70 yards and crashed
Read the reports for yourself. Dr. Ed ashby. Data doesnt lie.
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@JoshandTim probably should speculate on a video that’s being used in Australia to propose a ban on bow hunting and defend the unethical shots and setups used by fellow influencers. But hey do what u gotta do to protect light arrows so u don’t look bad when Ashby and company have data to support their claims. Anecdotal evidence is not data. Start coughing up the money or get sponsored and gather more data than “well I’ve done this or that with 450grains” it’s just not enough anymore for bodies that wanna get rid of archery hunting.
Hunters fighting amongst themselves does more to hurt hunting than any of these outside organizations.
Best podcast.
Any chance you can start uploading to rumble? UA-cam has kinda become a censorship machine. Thanks.
Tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling you didn’t watch the video… I guess we’re just going to gloss over the full on frontal attack made by MFJJ, Bee, the Elk Dbag and Dudley towards heavy arrow guys. Choices have consequences! Reap the whirlwind Tunstel….