Israeli democracy: what does the right wing want?
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- After months of protest over reforms to the judicial system, many Israelis fear democracy is under threat. As the crisis grows, we explore what exactly Binyamin Netanyahu’s government is trying to achieve, and who is actually in charge of the chaos-stricken country.
00:00 - what does the Israeli right want?
00:59 - why the latest bill threatens democracy in Israel
02:00 - who is really in charge?
02:35 - the long term goals of the Israeli right
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Israeli vigilantism is being encouraged by the government: econ.st/473tFz8
I'm participating in the protest, and our greatest concern is that the proposed reform will weaken the independence of the judicial system and will give too much power to the coalition, some of which are known to be corrupt. Ultimately, I think there will be broad consensus on the reform (both sides agree that parts of it are needed).
@DanIsrael10487
The coalition is elected by the voting public of Israel. If they’re not happy with them, they can vote for other candidates.
@@johnmann8659
Most of those who voted for the current government are religious zealots who just follow the herd , they have a lot of children and we secular people who contribute most to the economy have to pay them from our tax money since large percentage of them don't work
Isn't it similar to the situation in the US. That is the Supreme court there is nominated by the president and approved by parliament. Though there is a upper house (senate) so maybe more checks and balances
@@ravindra7791
No the Supreme Court in Israel is unelected. The current system was advanced unchallenged by a man named Aharon Barak during the 1990’s.
Mind Begs the Question:
If People - subject to Judiciary
If Govt - not subject to Judiciary
Govt - Democratic,Fascist?
Surprisingly, fairly accurate. It takes a bit more than 5 minutes to explain what’s going on here but still, not a bad start
Dang you're handsome, Italian Jew I take it?
"I don't think it's reasonable" is the sort of thing an impatient parent tells a child when they can't come up with a real reason. If the court wants to invalidate a law, let them give a real reason.
It's a pity that Ms Delap didn't expand on how woolly and fuzzy such a term as 'unreasonableness' is when considering a law passed in a democratically elected Parliament.
democratically 😅🤣😂🤣🤣😂
Dude, even the Israeli military is against this, *The Israeli Military*
@@sawtooth808 Just goes to how 'unreasonable' the Israeli military is. It's simply not possible to run a democratic system where one group vetoes everything another group proposes. That's a dictatorship!
@@sawtooth808 Not all. Only some.
The unreasonableness challenge only apply to decisions of ministers. Not laws.
The reason is as simple as it can be. As the main progenitors of the law argued - "I am the democratically chosen government. So why can't I create laws that I want?".
This is a tricky situation, be the Executive commanding the Legislative, or be the Judiciary acting beyond its range and judging what is “reasonable” or not from the two other powers. Democratic system has failed in any case.
AKP party did the same here in Turkey and you know the rest of the story.
Meanwhile the US kept supplying weapons to Israel.
great
Meanwhile thebcurrent White House administration is fueling these protests, and the real issues escape the ignoramuses. There is inherent imbalance of power in Israel’s political system, of which not only you are not aware, you don’t even know how it works where you are from. Keep quiet, mind your own business. Learn how American system operates, then you can look at this situation, ignoramus.
Mind Begs the Question:
To support and aid an Apartheid State
Democratic,Fascist?
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings No, no, they are not giving weapons to the palestinian islam-ic terrrorists but to a democratic state who defend itself from his angry and racists neighbours...
Because Israel is an ally of USA. Why won't it supply weapons to its ally??
The mask is off.
What mask
@@oklol9245Why are you replying to everyone mate? You seem triggered.
Such nicely balanced coverage! (Be sure not to let the sarcasm drip onto your computer - it can corrode sensitive parts.)
And to think that Israel was considered the only democracy in that region. This extreme right wing is a plague all over the world (we just escaped for some time here in Brazil).
It never is a democracy country.
You Brazilians literally voted in a guy who was sitting in jail for stealing the taxes that you paid. A country of idiots if I have ever seen one...
It is a democracy, but it uses a system of proportional democracy which makes forming a cabinet difficult and in situations like this, near impossible. Especially when the electorate is split. Really Netanyahu making a comeback to politics is causing more divisions.
It never was a democracy.
Half the population (Palestinians) is living under an occupation and afforded no legal rights or representation.
@@yekeryeker4166 It always has been the most democratic country in the region, and still is. I'm participating in the protest, and our greatest concern is that the proposed reform will weaken the independence of the judicial system and will give too much power to the coalition, some of which are known to be corrupt. Ultimately, I think there will be broad consensus on the reform (both sides agree that parts of it are needed).
Some guy in 1933 did this too. Didn’t end well
You have no idea of situation. If anyone has unlimited, unchecked power here, it is the Supreme Court. They are unelected and unconfirmed by the other branches, yet having the power to veto any of Knesset legislation. Why?! By what right? Because they are “the smartest ones”? Who told them?
Ah, someone comparing Jews and Israel to the Nazis. How quaint.
@@EvanGadol If the shoe fits, wear it. Oh and I never mentioned Jews. I was speaking about Israel. They’re not the same thing honey
@@MeinMummyDustReally? Like Israel isn't the world's only Jewish state. Nice try.
@@jasonrose6288 A Jewish state with Palestinian People locked as in a prison or could I say a prison camp?
TRADITIONALISM >>> FUNDAMENTALISM >>> PURISM >>> SUPREMACISM >>> FASCISM
Laziness, illiteracy, being uninformed, mediocrity.
Judeo-Christian values = democracy and freedom. Athest values = socialism and communism.
Judges should not define what “reasonableness” means. That’s undemocratic. It should be defined by the parliament.
But there is no safeguards against turning Israel into a dictatorship, the parliament not only defines the rules but chooses weather to pass them. Yes reasonableness isnt the most democratic solution but considering it is based on the laws of the state, the current situation and also judged by the lawmakers history, not to mention it's basically the check the government has, recoking it with no alternative is basically a defacto dictatorship.
Basically
All policy of government is depend on who u chose as it administrator
The influence of supreme court is rarely visible in other democratic nation
But neglecting their function is also constitional question
But with programme of 'reasonableness' is also unreasonable for template of supreme court
This superbond institution shouldnt work in subjective manner
They should be function as enforcement of objective standard that defined as constitional determination
Here's what I don't get. The Knesset was legally elected, right? And doesn't the Knesset, at least in theory, represent the majority of the voters? And so, if they pass a law that the Supreme Court doesn't like, all the Supreme Court has to say is that it's "unreasonable"?
What kind of a ridiculous standard is "reasonableness"? How can you hold anybody accountable for anything if all they have to do is say something is "unreasonable"?
Why wouldn't a democracy want to reform something like this?
IMHO any, repeat ANY branch of government which is able to stymie another branch of government simply by saying it is "unreasonable" is inherently undemocratic. In fact, it's government by fiat, regardless of how you stand on any issue.
Convince me otherwise.
The Knesset makes laws the supreme court interprets the law and the executive branch enforces the law. No more of this business of the supreme court making laws they interpret the law and that is it, the same model as the United States where there are three branches of government. This is what the Knesset voted for last week.
the US has a constitution, while Israel doesn't, so Israel can't use the US model because that'd leave it with no checks and balances where the US has its constitution. The Israeli supreme court is an essential check on the government's power.
Time to create a bi national state Israeli Palestinie federation with rehabilitation of Palestine refugees.This will put end to the extremism on both sides.
He knew that Hamas was planning a major strike and let it happen because OF THIS!
Great coverage!
The latest news : our Supreme Court is gonna discuss if cancellation of reasonability exam was reasonable. And that's not what you think - there's no conflict of interests at all :)))))))
Has this current 'war' 🙄, given Netanyahu, the mass 'distraction' 😔, that he needed; so he could enact this major change quietly?
Or anyone in the know about whats happening with this?
As any information about this, is major, and if you can kindly share 🤝
Cheers
Just a missing reminder here, who put this government in place? Oh the People, just a small detail in the State politics
תחבורה ציבורית שפועלת רק לקחת את העבדים למחנות העבודה שלהם וחזרה לבתים ולא פועלת בסופי השבוע ובחגים.
What does public transportation has to do with current imbalance of power in Israel’s political system? What day do you have in electing Supreme Court judges, David? Have you thought about that? Do you know what James Madison and Thomas Jefferson had to say on imbalance of power?
Wut ???
He wants to be King!
War is in the air, take choice from people , uprising occurs
I thought B. Netanyahu's first term was excellent. Anything after that, is the addictive seduction of power for power itself. This reform and the additional reforms, only serve those in power, not the country or its people.
Um, power?
The Supreme Court in Israel can be arbitrary in it's rulings which gives it too much power to disregard the laws passed by the Knesset. The new law is needed.
This is a biased report. Why didn't you actually interview someone from the Israeli right wing government to let them explain their justification for these reforms? Instead we have someone clearly on the left of the debate painting a very bleak picture of the changes from their perspective.
Not democracy… 🤔
Is too.😂
The problem with the explanations of what Likud wants is this:
1. Reasonableness was an arbitrary term that allowed for the Supreme Court to rule as they chose with no concern for legal precedent (either in maintaining it or for setting a new legal precedent.) It doesn't have a formal definition as what is defined in the UK system, which is "that which a reasonable man could understand and discern" but rather "whether 2 out of 3 judges who have been hand selected by the president of the Supreme Court decide if this is reasonable." To strike down a law that has been passed through Parliament, 2 unelected judges out of 15 unelected judges are all that are required.
2. On to the selection committee: currently there are 9 members of the selection committee, only 4 of which are actually elected officials, 3 are sitting justices, and 2 are members of the bar association. The reform did not allow for packing the court as she incorrectly states; at the final reading before things were placed on hold, the selection committee would become 11 instead of 9 and require a simple majority. The 11 members of the committee would be 3 justices, 2 ministers (presumably from the coalition), 3 members of the coalition (none from the same parties), and 3 members of the opposition (none from the same parties). If during the course of one government multiple justices needed to be appointed, the first two could be elected with a simple majority of 6, but the 3rd justice placed on the Supreme Court would require one member of the opposition to vote yes, and the 4th and upward required both a sitting justice and a member of the opposition. This ensures that in the unlikely event of many justices needing to be replaced, the character of the court would not change dramatically in one 5 year period, and provides equal benefit and protection to whatever coalitions/oppositions form. (There have been many proposals but most of them are tending towards a more representative selection committee.
3. The corruption charges against Netanyahu have all fallen apart (except for the last charge which has not met the standards for prosecution either.) The rest of the ideas that she offered were speculation with no substantiation, and the basic laws still must be observed as well as international law. In matters such as those, the Supreme Court continues to (rightly) hold jurisdiction over such matters.
If you are going to try to present a 4 minute report about what is going on, you can tell the truth and accurately represent the laws being proposed. Likewise, I note that there is no mention about the conflict of interest that is currently built into the role of the attorney general/counsel to the Knesset, nor the solution of creating 3 separate roles to remove the conflicts of interest, nor that the proposed override clause allowing the Parliament to overrule a decision by the court went from a simple majority (which everyone found foolish aside from the people who proposed it) to allowing a simple majority to overrule the Supreme Court's decisions except in cases in which 12 of the 15 justices ruled on a case (rather than only 2/3 as previously mentioned.) This means that the president of the Court no longer has the ability to hand select the justices s/he wants handling a case to guarantee an outcome, and the removal of the reasonableness clause means that the justices now must rule on the legality of a case based on the actual law and legal precedent.
Excellent.
"Reasonable", or "in the public interest" are code
... for balancing away Human Rights such as Free Speech, and a legally armed public.
Either a law is constitutional, or it isn't.
Israel doesn't have a formal constitution, unless the US. They're one of the few countries following the British uncodified constitution model. In fact the "reasonableness" standard comes directly from the British, where it is usually used to *protect* rights and freedoms from government overreach.
The problem is (going with the statement “Adam” made) Israel does not have a codified constitution, The Israeli president (Bibi would be the PM) has always banked on the Knesset making sound decisions and policy.
@@adamvandolder1804 up until the 80s we lived without reasonability check, and still there was no dictatorship. The law can be constitutional or unconstitutional ( in Israel's case accords or contradicts to the Basic Laws ).
How come that such a well respected organisation like The Economist casually skips explaining the side of those who are pushing reforms.
Why doesn’t it explain the side of those who seek the overthrow the settler colonial state of Israel?
@@bothi00
Jews colonizing their own land?!
Are you still praying to that 2,000 year old dead 'palestinian' man?
@@bothi00BORING!
Rutt Row
Moses to the Egyptian Pharoah: Let my people go!
Reasonable people to the Israeli government: Let the Palestinians go!
Yes. Of course they should go. They can all go to Syria or Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Great 👍
@@TagMahirTzedekthey are not Syrian, they are Palestinians, therefore they live in palestine
Recognize both Israel and Palestine, then perhaps an accommodation can be make, unless you agree "From the River to the Sea", which is a non-starter.
"River to the sea"... Sure, but lets start with removing every illegal settler, then we can discuss any strawman arguments you might have. Maybe we can discuss your war crimes while we're at it?
I find it hilarious btw that people recently arriving to Israel from Russia or Argentina are automatically "home", while Palestinians who have lived there for untold generations should "go to Syria or Jordan etc".
Well, my zionist (ethnonational supremacist) buddy, maybe just stop treating people like you were historically...
Khazaria for the Zionisr go home
I ve never doubted Netanyahu love for his country.
He’s on borrowed time
Are you happy.
Talk about unbiased reporting! How about the current form? The Judicial branch appoints its own people with the same ideology and can strike down any law that past by the Executive branch.
Colombia, South America’s Attorney General is appointed by the Courts, and does not answer to Colombia’s president. Canada’s head of state is the King (of the United Kingdom) via the Governor General, (who is appointed, not elected) and has the authority to pass laws and dissolve parliament. Israel would not have this problem if *They wrote and codified their constitution* 🙄🤦♂️
Oh yeah. Gods chosen people. Chuckle.
War
“Apartheid”
Lol a Sri Lankan Singalese teaching Israel about democracy.
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❤🇵🇸❤
No more right wing than left wing.
We just have to open our mind.
Seronok ke hidup sentiasa dalam ketakutan?
Who checks the Supreme Court in Israel? The people are allowed to be represented in checking the judges of the Supreme Court. Judges shouldn't be allowed to choose their own successors because it basically gave them power to protect themselves against corruption. The elected officials should be allowed to check the Supreme Court judges!
there is a committee to elect them. however, the committee is not balanced well, and they have too much power there. both sides agree on that but the proposed changes to the committee are too radicle (this is what the opposing side believes) giving too much power to the coalition. on a personal note, i agree that the judges and the lawyers should be on the committee, but i dont want the coalition or the opposition to be in any advantage or that they would be alone on the committee. we need an independent third side to the equation.
She's saying that having the government elect supereme court justice is bad, but that is exactly how america does it
The US has a legally binding constitution, 2 houses of the legislative branch which is also completely separate from the executive branch. Israel on the other hand has no constitution, 1 legislative House which contains the executive branch.
In Israel's case that would lead to an all powerful government with no checks & balances. So the comparison is wrong.
India too
@@i_like-planes in the USA to elect a Supreme Court Justice they need to pass the president house, senate. Take trump for example: it was easy to get ACB in because he had the house and senate. In the new bill you would just need Congress in Israel to vote them in. Meaning that it is the same as america just without the executive branch voting them in (because Israels executive branch has no legal power). BTW before this reform for a Supreme Court Justice to get voted in the vote was held by other justices. On top of that under the previous system the Supreme Court could throw away any law they saw fit as "unreasonable", which effectively gave them more power than the legislative branch. When you said that the us has a constitution you were proving me point that just throwing away laws not going based on the constitution, but based on "reasonableness" makes no sense
@@i_like-planesRight the US also have a law of limiting the president for max two cadences. Netanyahu has been prime minister for 16(!!!) years. To be honest if Israel was a democracy up until now is questionable.
@@eavs772 would be fair to clarify Israel as a flawed democracy by now like Hungry & Poland
Way to go for unbiased reporting 😅
You're brown nosing a wannabe dictator 🤦♂️
No reporting is unbiased
No unbiased is reporting
Netanyahu was already OUT of power, what were they thinking to elect him again?
😂🤣🤦
Sadly there was no viable alternative - a reflection of the desperate state of the country
@@user-zx7jn9ju8i Netanyahu was voted in in 1996 voted out in 1999, then 10 years later reelected several consecutive times from March 2009 until he was voted out in June 2021 and then reelected in Nov. 2022.
Because we israeilis love him
@@i.f7032 Indeed you do - and with such a sad selection of candidates to choose from, the tragedy of the situation isn't lost on anyone 🤣
The.whole.chicken😊
At least a chicken is balanced; it's has both right and left wings.
Toma kkk
Free Palestine 🇯🇴
...from their own incompetent and unreasonable leaders.
That's not really related
You said it!
Recognize Israel like Jordan and Egypt have.
@@oklol9245 Does it need to be related? Do you stop advocating for a ceasefire between Ukraine (the West) and Russia when talking about world politics?
You forgot to mention that in the current system, Supreme Court justices get to elect other supreme court justices
That guarantees independence
This is called independence of judiciary
@@danielcaceres9971😂😂😂 it guarantees that they can do whatever they want, “elect” whomever they see as an ally. Add to it the veto power they have over the Knesset and you’ve got a real imbalance of power, and that ALWAYS leads (have led) to tyranny. Do you know how this is done in the American system? How the (future) independent judiciary is nominated and confirmed by two other branches?
@@rishabhgautam2723check out the American process for independent judiciary that has equal powers with two other branches of political power.
@@rishabhgautam2723 why not just elect judges?? If they can overturn laws passed by representatives elected by people???
Ultra-Religious and Ultra-Nationalist is the best govt to have. We should have a Christian Nationalist Senate in the U.S...its too liberal...
Sure Jan 🙄
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Many arab countries tried some years ago and their own existence came into question
Just what the world needs: another Arab failed terrorist state!
Out of point.
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Modi of India would be watching this eagerly.He would like to bring the same reforms to India to make himself the unquestionable monark of (Hindu)India
There are three authorities in Israel. Executive, Legislative, and Judicial The legislative branch, which is the Parliament (Kneset), is based on proportional elections, and therefore there is representation of minorities and different groups in society. The executive branch, which is the government, is based on an alliance between the various parties. The fact that there are elections (there have been 6 elections recently in 8 years) and that compromises are needed to build a coalition creates control and balance. Israel's judiciary is a closed group belonging to a certain segment of the population of Jews of European origin who are a radical left-wing secular minority. They do not respect the people's repeated voting results and crudely trample on their choices. They, along with an aristocratic group of the rich, are actually demonstrating against the majority of the people whose economic dimensions are medium and low. It is a unique phenomenon in the world that the elite is demonstrating against the common people to keep their dictaturship and keep running them over. All the heads of the economy and the heads of the army are partners in this rebellion against the people's choice.
Bibi wants to be seen as strong as Yoni was but Yoni will forever be a true hero and leader full of what Bibi won’t ever have a shred of…Honor
The MSM has lost all shame... Every democracy chooses their own judges...
Netenyahu wants to bring in Talmudic theocratic law : (
No, it’s more about American founding fathers and their law, you know - balance of power.
@@TheBalterok Just google it. "netanyahu talmud theocratic"
@@TheBalterok And look at how unbalanced America is _now_
He's not observant.
Ethnic cleansing is a go.
This is why there is not 1 Jew living in Gaza? and over 20% Israeli citizens are Arabs with full rights as any Israeli...
@@AlphaImpact I wouldn't consider not being able to vote 'full rights'. Also no Jews are living in Gaza because it's a hellhole that no one would willingly choose to live in.
Meaningless cliches. What percentage of Israeli Jews were forced to flee from Arab countries?
We tried negotiating with them for the best part of a century. That ship has sailed. It's time to settle this matter once and for all.
Ben Gvir and Smotrich are just paving the way for the coming leaders of Israel!
I believe Israel’s military may have a little something to say about that one.
@@sawtooth808 Our troops are well trained and will obey their commands. Once the true leaders are in place you will watch this unfold.
Dictator ship is best form of govt.
Sure, for a population so ignorant they know no other alternatives. Have you read anything about Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams?
@@TheBalterok you’re assuming the OP has read…well anything in general, how adorable
World peace as commanded in Isaiah 42 6 which we will achieve once we have liberated Judea and Samaria!
World peace?
@@samlebon9884 It’s an evangelical Christian, posting about the possible rapture (yeah, right 🙄) don’t ask
@@samlebon9884 Yes - we wish a peaceful world and there will be peace on earth until Israel is at rest.
The new government is the first step towards this.
@@sawtooth808 No - but we are grateful for their support. That includes most US presidents and 100 million US Christians who will support us.
ans w
Easy answer, more money from USA
That may be winding down, and Israel is seeking assistance from…wait for it…Russia and China (aka Autocrats helping Autocrats 🙄🤦♂️)
Summary:
- Netanyahu needs to resign for a peaceful Israel 🇮🇱 and Middle East.
- Putin should resign for a peaceful Ukraine 🇺🇦 and Europe.
- Chinese regime needs to be dismantled for a free China 🇨🇳 and peaceful Asia.
Sure buddy😂
Arabic Reja should go back to school. (Ok, you can make yourself a cup of tea and watch some video on how “separation of powers” was put in place by American founding fathers. I assure you you will learn something fundamentally new.
You forgot one important difference - Netanyahu was elected by the majority of Israeli citizens in a free and fair election. His campaign promise was judicial reform. So why should he resign? What's democratic about that?
@@larryroth100yes.Bibi!❤
Bias reporting
It's not a thesis. It's a snapshot of an issue for a global audience.
@@jasonrose6288 that doesn't excuse a bias. This is meant to be professional reporting
I miss the old Economist, which would steelman both sides of an argument rather than propagandizing just one side.
I have no stake in the current Israeli issue. I watched this video in an attempt to understand the issue.
I *DO* have a stake 8n rational discourse. I used to turn to The Economist FIRST for that. Now, I rarely turn to it at all, and when I do, I am almost always disappointed.
This is not journalism. This is propaganda.
Stop giving your opinions, and DO YOUR JOB. Find the FACTS, and publish them.
There is no steelmanning a blatant power grab. Either you are for democracy or against it.
Hear hear! Discussing the merits of the case at hand is radically different from slanting one side or the other.
It was a snapshot. All up, not a bad effort.
שנים רבות של עבודה קשה בכפיה וללא שכר במחנות הריכוז של הצבא הישראלי בעוני בכפיה עד גיל מאוד מאוחר.
Netanyahu's dictator
Bibi is great fantastic amazing isreal in new height
They have to finish what they started or one day after the Iran get their chance they will do what they have to do ongoing
Well what democracy you are talking about, its discrimination and prejudice against the other religions, If Israeli law does not distinguish between religions and treat everybody equally, providing justice and protection to all the people dwelling there then you might call that democracy.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Shalom is older than salam 😂
@@HumanProgress it all stems from the same Dead Sea Scrolls, Isiah