true. also he had some residences all around the world, but since today they are part of the foundation and serve as archive and live-in dorms for seakers
Thats why he never gave any example ever because he always put raw intellectual knowledge and didnt attached it with any example ever . Because he wanted you to connect with it yourself thats really fantastic if you get it.
Being able to watch this talks today with my phone is truly an amazing gift. Thanks to the channel for uploading this material. I really appreciate it.
@@paulsheridan5693 true tantra? like practices of the aghoris? or tantra of what the west believes it is which is mere pleasure? or true esoteric tantra taught in the scriptures of the vajrayana branch of buddhism and tantric side of hinduism (The tantras)?
You cannot teach someone who dosent seek to be taught. Those who wish to learn and want to be freed will always find these. This is probably the only benefit of the internet, this double edge sword, to immortalize the pure too amidst all the vile it was created for, to stand the test of time, the seekers will always have a chance to find these. As jk once said, never possess yourself in his "teachings". Listen once, and theres that. Its up to the person whether he/she understands it truly and it would "become" that person. No words no scriptures no form no guru no teacher. All is nothing, nothing is everything.
He answered the question in first half minute - our life is in constant turmoil and we seek pleasure and freedom through sex which we assume to be creative. He goes on to explain what creativity is in real sense when we don’t have egotism.
we seek freedom, but currently physically is trapped, try not eating / drinking , communicate with people, alternative between sit / sleep / stand / walk /labour activities, yes you just discovered your physical body will come out to bite you big time, if you failed to serve it .... who's the master, who's the monster .... when we are physically arosed to "want" food, drink, touch, streaching our arm/leg, if you dont fullfill your master - your body and mind, it will bite you ...
@@tomystark5606 I wonder if we need to do anything, but just see what we are. "KILL" is probably not the right word. But if we do nothing, what is life then? And turning away from thought, we still speak about what we are in a logical, sane manner, but this is thought, isn't it? And I do not know how to gather all my energy without a will: complete calmness.... Wonder if I ever can touch it....
@@archerlee8091 I understand. Try taming your body, mind. How? Yoga, chanting, breathing techniques. Slowly the built impressions will fade and gently your body mind will break small patterns. Then proceeding towards big ones. Purification of our mind and body is our responsibility. We need to align it to greater good. It is difficult and demands energy but definitely worth it. We need to rise beyond our afflictions of body and mind.
I think he did answer the question. We give so much importance to sex because it gives us a sense of absolute freedom. A very common error we make is - even though we are in love with the ultimate goal, we mistaken the way of achieving that goal or a pointer to that goal as the goal itself. In this case, we are in love with freedom, but we get attached to sex as it temporarily gives us a sense of freedom. It's quick and takes less effort but the freedom comes with it's own limitations. That's my understanding of it.
If you give tremendous importance to a part of life, you're corrupting yourselves. Life needs to be observed as a whole, not as a part - Analogy @ it's best!
@@sabariprasad4239 It means ur forgetting your morals and your standars by thinking that sex is more nessecery to reliv highest feelings than 1000s of other things which are same importance but u dont know it cas u need only sex .
@sabari much like if we only focusing on food/eating, then we'll corrupting ourself by becoming glutonous. Thus we need to really observe ourself as a whole.
Like working so your family can eat and be clothed and have a roof over their head!? I guess a job and responsibility are corrupt. Only these supposed super thinkers who have disciples to support them and pay for their life are not corrupt!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
@@davenelson9505 it's called negative thinking. I apologise. I am so sorry to say that. But this is what he is saying that look at you as a whole. Life is not just about work or buisness. But when you will try to enjoy other parts of it you will also enjoy work or buisness whatever is giving you money. And you can have more better idea to earn except 9 to 5 working.
His teachings are so profound, even after so many years. More important then ever and indeed not for everyones mind to understand. Keep absorbing and one day the meaning of his words will drop into your heart and blossom.
Am I the only one who feels he didn’t actually answer this question? Took a long time to start, stated some platitudes, got into some related aspects of it, but didn’t really get to the heart of it. He was buying for time while he searched around for an answer. Actually, our species fixation with sex is a consequence of evolution by natural selection. We’re the descendents of people who wanted to have sex. The genes of people disinterested in sex have (more or less) dissapeared from humanity’s gene pool. Sex is so popular on media because now, after religious taboos have lost their power in society, we’re actually getting what we always wanted. Where there’s demand, there’s supply. Simple as that.
He fell into the trap of living up to his “wise man” role, supposed to have an answer to everything. An honest answer would have been “look man, I don’t know everything. I do have my field of expertise, but other than that, my guess is as good as anyone else’s” I say “I don’t know” a lot. My father in law even jokes about it. I believe there’s no shame in admitting you don’t know something.
His answer is that because we feel trapped within and without, we hold sex in high esteem, as it feels like the only creative thing we do. And in doing that "you destroy yourself" by placing too much emphasis on it, and not enough on the entirety of our being. rough interpretation.
I've had so many "wow, aha!" moments here that I cannot believe a mind like his ever existed (of course he did but still, his clarity of mind is unreal at times). Thanks for sharing.
If there's one line to take out of the whole video : U give a particular thing too much importance and ur no longer in control, that thing is U give equal importance to everything instead and ull see everything fall in place This holds true for relationships (family, friends, infatuations), feelings (love, sex, sorrow etc), material possessions etc, i.e. pretty much everything
for those who didn't understand what this amazing human being tells us, with atemporality i say, he is just telling us that we are what we give energy to. If we focus on the small things, the money, the sex, the furniture we are just that. If we are just concerned with things in this space time, in this world, in this life then we are just that. But when you separate yourself from these transient things, things that will not matter when we die, then you are closer to the truth. Don't get angry if you don't understand, and please, don't say that he did'nt anwser the question if you just could'nt take anything of it. For those who can understand what he is saying he said everything. Don't get taged with things in the world. It all passes. The media, the TV may make you think that i don't, that this linearity life makes all sense when it doesn't. he cleary says that spend 50 years going to work is bullshit, and even going to church isn't setting us free. Is us that got this power to set us free. Just look the truth in yourself, separeted from all in this world.
People focus on different things at different stages of life. Young people may prefer sex old people wine if they remain fit enough to enjoy both lucky for them but they still have to fit in all the other daily activities of life and remain mentally and physically balanced. If they can do all this and more then they have not had a wasted life. We are really mostly part of the inner world where we can explore all kinds of freedom of thought but much of that is put there and not always gained via experience, but we have to function in the physical outer world where there are all kinds of restraints. How free can we truly be.? We have more apparent illusionary freedoms than ever but somehow we are actually hurtling towards O W O enslavement. The thought police are gunning for everyone. Be aware.
Sex fulfills several different basic human needs and can be healthy but like anything else we can develop an unnatural attachment to it and it can become unhealthy in the same way food is natural but can become unhealthy. If we use either food or sex as an escape to avoid dealing with our emotions or problems in life we can get caught up in a destructive cycle of addiction and what was meant to be healthy and beneficial becomes perverted and destructive. This is not only true for food and sex but everything that is normal and healthy can become an unhealthy attachment if we do not deal with our emotions correctly. To ask the question why does sex play an important part in our life is the same as asking why does food or work play such an important part in our life. without sex none of us or anything else for that matter would be here.
Is there any real point in engaging in sex and propagating this experience, anyway? What's the point of indulging in anything? Why even exist? I feel like the game of life is realizing that it is a game and that the only way to win most (if not all) of these games is to just not play.
@Nikki Noodles Why eat an apple? There are countless reasons why. You can probably think of hundreds of answers yourselves. Obviously none of these appeal to you. Yet you keep asking "why?". So the question appeals more than any of the answers available. Why is that? Why cling to dissatisfaction?
"Life is whole." 🌺🌻🌼 ❤ Uncompared clarity of thought, sentiment, awareness, and dialogue. Timeless, and in terms of personal freedom, it targets both the private and the political aspect of human existence.
inspiring how his energy is aligned with his words, with a lot of nuance still at an older age. Like all of us he must have a certain craving to share his thoughts, but he doesnt run after this craving, slowed his mind down very beautifully, he must feel very free :)
AEOLIAH usually the desire for more to understand kind of contradicts the point of men such as him and others who have realized very deep truths. You must seperate from all needs including the need for more to agree. If you feel the truth you feel it
I’m talking about the beasts who have become so distorted that instead of looking at women as honorable beings (neutral manner) they look at them as sexual objects to satisfy them (distorted manner). People who only think of sex sex sex are weak willed and stuck at the bottom of Maslow's pyramid. Upgrade yourselves, ascend. Dont stay at the bottom in constant need and weakness. Have some self control. When you're in control, you honor your being. When your desires control you, you are no different from an animal. SO use the one thing that distinguishes humans from animals, your mind.
problem is animals operate out of pure instinct. So animals are natural and sacred, doing no wrong. In seeing the purity in nature, we can see the purity in ourselves and reflect that unity outward, if we want to. It is the choice of life, of shining that light. No one to shame, no fingers to point, just the right amount of love, compassion, and grit for each situation. Not focusing on any element as separate, there is no man or woman to point to. It is all the same material dream-stuff. That is not to dismiss anything, but to care for everything to the degree you choose.
When a person doesnot know anyother way of experiencing bliss person resorts to it...when one experiences spiritual bliss all else is useless..it's very very difficult to evolve, to understand without a Guru.. Beautiful explanation.. We should encourage youth to question ...question... Inward freedom ,gives tremendous vitality for soul to leave and experience the vastness of Universe..experiencing the infinity.....still in physicalbody
Crazy Guy yea don’t bother man. Most people see the agreement as a cult following because the only examples of ideas they have seen followed by groups are religion. Which is full of flaws. A man not ready to accept his inner truth will always have an opinion on the other who has already accepted his truths. But in a way I can see the misunderstanding when we give too much credit to someone’s words and points. It comes off like some cult following. The thing many fail to realize is me and you and everyone here on this planet can achieve all equal level of awareness/knowledge. The whole point is that no one is over anyone or above any other one. Those who get fed up and make crazy statement I suggest you don’t respond with emotion as it only makes their point feel validated. As hard as it is to behave like this in everyday life you will find your lack of response will be the best response at times.
Balance is key, is what I understood from him at the end of the video. Deny it, and it builds up to be uncontrollable. Give it too much, and it corrupts.
Well, a vasectomy caused me impotence at 35. After years,I realize that I will focus on other things, I can't let my impotence to make me depressed. Life is only once, I have to accept my condition
Do you give importance - equal importance... ...to being free from fear? No. Equal energy, vitality, thought to ending sorrow? No. Why don't you? Why only this? Because that is the easiest thing to have.
So we are deprived of freedom outwardly and inwardly for generations upon generations we have been told what to do. This message has to go around. ty J. Krishnamurti
Quando a gente ouve Krishnamurti com nossos ouvidos internos, com afeição e real intenção de entender o que ele tenta nos fazer perceber, alguma coisa dentro de nós passa por uma mudança, um crescimento, e nunca mais seremos a mesma pessoa.
You may increase the speed to 1.5 to watch it faster. I see some people annoyed by his slow speech .. I always do .. but I think his slow tone adds to the weight of his wisdom ..
I think a lot while listening to such speech... he speaking slow gives me that opportunity. I once read one of his book and I had to stop several times, think for several minutes and some times read the page again before proceeding further... in fact you can see him asking audience often "yes?" "no?".... thought provoking speeches are better to be slower :)
We limit our own creative potential by giving too much importance to sex, which can never lead to ultimate satisfaction. That is what I think K seems to be saying here.
@@JustGotALife yes, he is also talking about tantra. thing is that everyone must find their own balance, from where they can control things - this is not always easy, but I think only, because we are stuck to ideas instead of reality of the presence - that is the process itself - to learn how to see it naturally :)
The humanity, most of the times go for the easiest way. Sex is one of them. Its important, but not the most. First come Love but its very demanding... so its easier to do sex and not put your heart, its so much work . Its to hard tryng to be a better person...is to hard doing right...its to hard respecting the nature...its to hard respecting yourselfs and the others...its to much work...so we go by the easiest. Thats way the world is hard, because its easier to do wrong
When K. talks about love, he understands love in the meaning of caritas, not in the meaning of eros, he is talking about compassion, not about erotic love. The 2 couldn't be more different. Just wanted to point that out because mentioning love next to sex one may be inclined to think we're talking about erotic love, which we are not.
Thats why he never gave any example ever because he always put raw intellectual knowledge and didnt attached it with any example ever . Because he wanted you to connect with it yourself thats really fantastic if you get it.
Food, Sleep, Fear, and Sex are basic nature given to all living beings. One has not to suppress it but to enjoy it with full awareness full of divine wisdom.
He is the true master, not in the sense that you have to follow what he says; he is a human being that has found the truth, the real realization of life and he is sharing it for us to reach it or coming back to it because it has always been there.
Do you think that I am using word Love lightly? Because I was not talking about word Love. State of being. Love is Not a freaking Voldemort that no one may talk about.We should talk as much as possible about Love. And do.
True. And it's not something you could try. In fact you wouldn't think about it if it was all just as it should be. I mean love is when you feel yourself aka have no unexpressed feelings that get in the way of life stream. Sounds technical? Isn't, because there is music where things just express by itself which in return fill your mind with life, inspiring you. Otherwise sex is a emotional coping thing rather.
Personally, I have never considered sex to be relevant for me! I live happily without it and my experience it is that sex overcomplicates life.If you don't desire children, it's great to live without it!!!
What a deep insightful answer to a question that boggles human psyche since the beginning! JK has the best answer to any question thrown at him. Because he never answers a question. Insured, he suspends the question and looks at it with you as a friend.
"Sex is like air; it's not important unless you aren't getting any" I would say that there are healthy ways to give it importance, and unhealthy ways to do so. JK did not distinguish in this video, and I feel like he generalizes importance as a bad thing. People also generalize the ego as a bad thing whereas I feel there are unhealthy egos and healthy egos. Healing our ego is not about getting rid of it, and same goes for the meaning we ascribe to sex (in other words, the importance we place on it).
Wat he is trying to say here is that when we find certain higher creative acts (say a creative startup, or being a painter or being a yogi etc) then sex as an act of creativity becomes mundane, repetitive and limited. There are many unknown yogis, monks in India in the Himalayas who are ecstatic by their very own nature and never feel an urge for sex coz they have found higher blissful state of experiences to which sexual pleasure is of no match or is too limited or childish. So its not about doing sex in a healthy or unhealthy ways rather its about going beyond it.
When the feeling of sex arises inside the body, I feel helpless. It seems that semen has an impulse with super great energy constantly pushing me to let it out. If I try to suppress it then it will become more and more powerful and if I observe it then I am getting more and more involved with it that it don't let me focused on any other thing. Mind is totally Hijacked at that time.
We dont pay attention to the words we hold so precious to our lives. If you dislike this video your stuck in your own egotistical thought. Look up the words you dont understand then as careful surgeon: use this pure mans words as a mirror of yourself to extract all evils from your beautiful life, soul, spirit, or whatever you would call this precious gift of life!
Sex can be an addiction, it's a drug. And it's an easy one, perhaps the easiest. If for a person it is not so, then it is not even given such big importance.
Call him what you want but he is no charlatan. The very fact that decades after the man died, we still have debates about his thoughts, indicates that he has achieved what he set out to do. That we question and challenge and ask ourselves questions and if at the end of this open process, you decided that he was a waste of time, I think he would have been the happiest man alive. However, not by closing your mind of in simply because the question was too uncomfortable or you were too lazy....
This world is created with a great many flaws. It take an insurmountable effort to create happiness and joy whereas suffering and misery are always right around the corner.
@@thanasosisidore5097 Not even....maybe 10 at most? :D A VERY nice sensation...but that's it, basically! So true - the baggage it can and DOES bring :O
and why we tend to give so much importance of intimacy and closeness? to make sex? to escape bordom? to escape loneliness? And why is there so much fear if we lose this "oneness"? By the way sex can be also A LOT more than what you describe... It can be even revenge, possession, an addiction. It can hurt, it can tear a soul.
Male moths will dive into a candle flame because they mistook it for a female looking for a mate. Unfortunately for them, instead of getting lucky they end up burnt to death.
Discoteque77 unfortunately tho we have forgotten what sex is mainly about. Everybody is having sex just to do it without any meaning. Pornography for example.
Make your own culture! Devise your own universe as if life itself was beginning again. Let the heart and soul guide you into lifes many marvels. Say your originality out loud, hear your selfs truths. Let It liberate, inspire and births new energy. Dont ever get stuck too long on a confusion or question. Continuously let go to problems, greet them and then release them.
Maybe i put too much importance on finding love and someone who i agree with on ethical and integral parts of life, but finding someone to share your life with and start a family with will always be of great importance to me. I understand i have the urge to have sex and that's not inherently bad, but i would so much rather find someone i love to do it with rather than do it just for pleasure, but at the same time it feels my youth is slipping away while i put love on a pedestal and i should just liberate myself sexually, even though the people i have had the chance to be intimate with were either about to cheat or just too easy-going on the subject as whole. I just hope i figure out how valuable an emotional connection is in sex before i become entirely alienated/estranged by current society and their view on love/sex/relationships
When you're having sex your brain perceives it as "you are procreating." As part of the evolutionary progress it can only be beneficial. It also brings the feeling of success. It's a trick of the mind, as more often than not you are just doing it for fun, without realising that the need arises out of the natural need to procreate. Throughout the evolutionary process the desire for sex was an important advantage. So we basically desired sex more and more...
No. As JK himself points-out, it's not mainly about procreating. What he neglects to discuss, though hints at, is the fact that sex in the context of our species is mainly a bonding, learning, and healing activity, not a procreating activity. The reason it is so pleasurable is of course a matter of speculation, but i'd wager it has much more to do with its benefits to living peacably in pairs or groups than it has to do with determining procreative behaviour. Consider how rarely coitus produces children in our species, for starters, and then step over to look at our closest analog in the chimpanzee world and the picture is clearly one of sex as a conflict-resolution, group-bonding and learning tool. Oh yeah, and making babies, eventually. But to say the 'just doing it for fun' is a trick of the mind and that really it arises out of the need to procreate is not accurate. People interested in this may also be interested to consider that humanity has invented thousands of cultural approaches to sexuality, and that the emphasis on the subject in the modern, post 'sexual revolution' world is hardly new, though it comes to us via new media of communication. One thing that's really different is the fact that kids are so routinely and so cruelly shamed and punished from all directions for exploring sexuality. Even a casual read of anthropology should point-out to the thoughtful how incredibly cold modern life is toward growing-up sexually. Consider, for example, how much fear i am liable to react from as a paedo when a young girl touches me sexually out of natural curiosity combined with just enough trust. I must reject her advance with such finality and authority, and never explain why i did so, or risk being accused of raping her when she was the one who touched me, and even if nothing approaching coitus ever happened. (Laws are weird.) I am gratified that she felt safe-enough with me to have done so, yet both of our lives and those of our close family members (in north america) would be ruined. I would love to bond sexually with her, have no interest in impregnating her, (and it is highly unlikely at the ages i'm talking about), and there are a thousand and one nights' worth of pleasures to be explored short of coitus, yet none of that can take place. Instead her experience is one of having made such a grave social error that through her (courageous) indiscretion she killed what had been a very enjoyable friendship. Because that's what happens in these cases, usually, and in a lesser way with every adult-child relationship wherein the child's sex play with themselves or others is crushed. The child takes responsibility for it even though it was the adult's passing-on inherited fear that fried curiosity and bonding. One more thing. When JK and others talk about how sex (pursued as a path to enlightenment) never leads beyond sex and is in itself limiting, they are always talking within the artificial confines of a society that does to very young children the brutal domestication i've described (participating in) above. They can do no otherwise than to speak inside of this paradigm, since no other is available to them. Yet as countless societies have shown, there are other ways to approach children's sexuality, and if a culture were developed along non-violent lines then and only then could it be tested, whether or not good sex could lead to nirvana. In short, it is a naive conclusion to say, "that never works because we can't test it thoroughly," yet that is what his statement boils down to. And that statement forms the premise for much of his and other people's perspectives on sexuality.
Heath Synnestvedt both the original poster and you are correct at a fundimental level. sexual repoduction is how humans evolved, like hunger. however humans evolved beyond that, as they have a preference for sweet foods, it has meaning to the primal psyche of man, looking at how the tounge and even the offactory organs react to different types of food. we don't eat the most audacious desserts, or even fruits because we are hungry, but because they taste good & what that taste "means" to us. dolphins or bonobos would be another example of this. sex is a social activity for humans, not just a repoductive function. however, that said, pre pubecent children are not physically developed enough to have orgies with adults, just as babies cannot handle solid food without teeth. historically you do see examples of hebophilia, but not pedophilia. children of that age are unsuprisingly more intrested in ice creams than hand jobs, but they are facinated by all adult intrests with the naivety of childhood. nowerdays ofcourse the victorian era of western civilization was the last true human empire, and the worlds societies are still reeling from that time. but even in a world where that wasn't the case, i think pedophilia would still be seen as an gross ill as psychopaths tend to rape children. infact you could even argue that all codes of morality are designed to filter for psychopathy on some level.
I respect Krishanmurti but I'm a critic right now. His answer doesn't get to the root, but only explores the aspects connected to it, like creativity, freedom, easy reward and pleasurable. There are only 2 reasons why sex is at the center of most of our lives, especially men's. It is: #1 Exploitation of the masculine #2 Creating extreme lust around sex Men have been exploited as never before in time. It is natural for a man to feel attracted towards the feminine, today's marketing revolve around that. Soaps, alcohol, beds, juice, you name it and there will be a commercial with an almost naked woman. Most buying decisions were made by men, so this has been designed as the current culture. That's changing with online shopping though. In my speculation, it is time for the marketers to do what they do best, turn their exploitation towards women. This culture promoted sex in movies, ads, songs and every media channel in a way, that young boys were introduced to it as if it is the most masculine thing to do. They were told you're a loser if you're a virgin, and don't lie, even you believe that until you really question it, that's how deep the hypnosis is. Even me. Right now I don't, but tomorrow I might be when my conciousness gets a little duller than the level it is at right now. #2 Most cultures of the world treated sex as something children should not even talk about. They forbade them and made it such a secret, that it became the hottest secret. Shrouding sex like that for us made it so attractive, that the perception cannot be changed now. Sure when we had sex we believed it's not as interesting as people made it, but by then the seed is in the soil. We know it's not that interesting the day we had it. The next week when the consciousness gears back to the lower gear, we're lusting for sex again. The solution is to help the next generation, we're doomed so all we can do is keep reminding us consciously. For the next ones, to present sex to them as nothing interesting, and just an activity like eating food. To give it to them instead of shrouding it and chaining them a kilometre away from it, by helping them find a life partner when they become sexually matured. To do this, we have to create media laws with a good conscience and a review of how it has wrecked previous generations. And by creating new parenting standards individually. By walking this long and tough journey, can we only reverse the damage and bring sex down the pedestal. Again, all the respect to Krishanmurti. It's totally different to speak in front of a public, you have to keep firing. When I'm writing, I have a lot of time and convenience to think.
You're wrong sex dominates both male and female mind females are good at hiding so you think that they're not that lusty but it not true....like K said we must enquire about ourselves to understand ourselves better so sex dominates so much in humans mind because we're born from that's it and only our soul can overcome it because everyone's soul want freedom that's what K is saying in last few minutes in this video
Take this guy's advice, think for ourselves, the guru and student is w/in ourselves, and you never have to listen to this unless U need to get a feel for the "path" again. Cool
one aspect I find interesting, one of which I believe gives credence to/with his words is that this video only has 85,508 views, whereas the McGregor vs. Mayweather post fight press conference had 3 to 5 million within the first day. We don't put enough energy into self developement. Our energies and/or attention are all outward distractions from our inward turmoil, which only perpetuates our confusion and it's consequent growth. "Who looks outward dreams. Who looks inward awakens." Carl jung
I really like this guy, both intellectually and personally (at least he sure seems like a very genuine, likeable person). Obviously, he has a very well considered stance on sex, but everything he points out is a result of social and cultural variations overlaid on the basic human sex drive, and not primary drivers in and of themselves. In other words, throw everything he says out, and ask yourself, would we as humans have any LESS affinity for sex? NO (even though sex manifests itself differently in different cultures and individuals depending on their life experiences and how they are affected by those unique stressors, positive or negative). If the answer if yes, then we must elucidate why. We evolved an affinity for sex b/c those with it were much more successful (totally on a sub conscious level) at passing along their genes (that's why fertility is so closely linked to mortality in almost all cultures). And that adaptation evolved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years before any of the issues he points out were anywhere in the picture at all. The rituals, psychological, and social/cultural memes and mores that we have developed after the fact are just that...after the fact. The REAL reason sex is so important lies in the fact that we escaped the CONFINES of the sex instinct (giving us a modicum of control over sex and our sexuality), but NOT the drive itself, which remains just as strong as an animal during rutting season, no matter how offensive some may find that to be (that thought robs us of our perceived power over the sex drive). And, there is a huge difference bt suppressing the drive vs. not having the drive, just like the difference he points out bt expressions of creativity, and creativity itself. If we have escaped the instinct/drive (meaning that the assertions in this video could in fact be primary as opposed to secondary drivers), then why is rape still a universal phenomenon to a lesser or greater degree, even in societies that strongly try to suppress and discourage it with social and institutional disincentives? I agree with almost everything he says, except his conclusion that these secondary, and most valid uses of the human sex drive that we have developed, are instead the root of why we give sex such importance. We made no such decision at all. Nature/evolution made that decision for us long ago, most likely beginning in our hominid ancestors. Even though we as humans want/need to see ourselves as separate and more evolved than the rest of the animal kingdom, thus giving us special dispensation in a world beyond, this is most likely due to the fact that we cannot feel secure in our being unless we can figure out how to preserve our identity for the period of which we can imagine that identity to exist (or not exist). In the case of humanity, that is forever (therefore, the need for immortality scenarios such as religion. This link is well established by Freud and many post Freudian psychiatrists/psychologists such as Otto Rank and Carl Jung. For more on that connection, look up 'Terror management theory'. Mortality is also very tightly linked to sex. That's why studying immortality scenarios throughout history shines a lot of light on sex and sexuality as well. Regardless of whether you think I'm off the deep end, or identify with what I'm saying, I'd love to hear you honest feedback. Sex/immortality is one of my favorite topics to discuss.
Brilliant. What JK is saying is that sex is a condition of mind. No matter where we rank sex - from important to unimportant - it is still a condition, an imagination. Monks and priests imprison themselves from Truth, by upholding the condition of sex as an action to be avoided. They are avoiding an imagined activity, and as long as they do that, they will never be free. Over time, mind creates conditions - modes of expression Truth - like sex, eating, talking, fear, anxiety, emotions, etc. Ways of expressing Truth is called Nature. We are one God and we create Nature. Nature is expression in our own likeness. Struggling inside of Nature is delusional and futile. Allow Mind (the tool we created to create Nature) to see beyond Itself. To see the Truth masked through Nature. Then Mind is Free. Truth IS. Sex is Nature, created and developed over time. We made sex the easiest, fastest condition/way to expressing Truth. We also temper ourselves by having Sex in moderation (a condition called The Middle Way). Moderation is the easiest/fastest way to "arrive at" the non-thinking state of Truth, or what we call Bliss (i.e. orgasm). - Janamechanica, Mystic Philosopher
Janamechanica, Very interesting perspective. I am very interested in the concept of Truth myself. but I refuse to believe that we created ourselves and nature. Doesn't mesh with my philosophy. I don't think moderation is the easiest way to arrive at a non-thinking state. Moderation requires thinking. Non-thinking requires utter abandon. I will ignore your cheesy byline.
Sex and life is better when sex is mastered and controlled. To understand that I have desires and impulses to do things. Nature will incline me towards things. Understand that you dont have to obey that desire. This is what makes us different then animals and God rewards us with positive energy, confidence, focus and overall stability when we fight against our beastial self. "Man has been able to fly higher then the birds but still hasnt found out how to control himself" The key to winning in life is to start at the heart. Purify your heart and don't be a slave to your desires and watch where that takes you. "The best war to fight is the war of the self" Peace to you all.
The answer to this question is simple: it feels good. It is very very special. It is the source of the creation of life. It has a strong connection with the spiritual. Even practiced alone it has the power to help you go beyond. When coupled with good intentions and compassion, it is one of the very best things in life. That being said, it is worth examining the words of the wise carefully. And here is a wise man.
he was offered to be a world teacher. He could have easily made a Cult/Movement and monetize his teachings. but he denied. THIS IS CALLED TRUE FREEDOM
true. also he had some residences all around the world, but since today they are part of the foundation and serve as archive and live-in dorms for seakers
@@evabek8263 wow. That is lovely. Would love to visit one of those jk's places in those foreign countries.
@@evabek8263 he declined others to buy him a house instead he wanted to bring about schools
Thats why he never gave any example ever because he always put raw intellectual knowledge and didnt attached it with any example ever . Because he wanted you to connect with it yourself thats really fantastic if you get it.
Love you
Being able to watch this talks today with my phone is truly an amazing gift. Thanks to the channel for uploading this material. I really appreciate it.
Amazing times we are living in. Scary and magical.
Juan, I appreciate your comment.
Don't only watch videos . Watch over thoughts and creative action starts 😊
"When you give something which is a part of life tremendous importance then you are destroying yourself. Life is whole, not just one part."
I would like to put it as "... destroying your 'self' ..."
So true...
How to live Life as whole please explain
"When you give too much power to anything, it corrupts."
This looks interesting
But how much it require..we give no problem?
Power reveals the corruption
inevitable
But still doesn't answer the question.
Can we all just appreciate he was 85 years old when this was made?
I can 😁, but do wish he had experienced Tantra before portraying himself as an authority ( which he clearly isn't)
@@paulsheridan5693 what do you know about tantra?
Yes i can.
@@paulsheridan5693 true tantra? like practices of the aghoris? or tantra of what the west believes it is which is mere pleasure? or true esoteric tantra taught in the scriptures of the vajrayana branch of buddhism and tantric side of hinduism (The tantras)?
@@paulsheridan5693 he never portrayed himself as an authority
We need these teachings today more than ever. Our whole generation is living a lost life
So true
You cannot teach someone who dosent seek to be taught. Those who wish to learn and want to be freed will always find these. This is probably the only benefit of the internet, this double edge sword, to immortalize the pure too amidst all the vile it was created for, to stand the test of time, the seekers will always have a chance to find these. As jk once said, never possess yourself in his "teachings". Listen once, and theres that. Its up to the person whether he/she understands it truly and it would "become" that person. No words no scriptures no form no guru no teacher. All is nothing, nothing is everything.
He answered the question in first half minute - our life is in constant turmoil and we seek pleasure and freedom through sex which we assume to be creative. He goes on to explain what creativity is in real sense when we don’t have egotism.
we seek freedom, but currently physically is trapped, try not eating / drinking , communicate with people, alternative between sit / sleep / stand / walk /labour activities, yes you just discovered your physical body will come out to bite you big time, if you failed to serve it .... who's the master, who's the monster .... when we are physically arosed to "want" food, drink, touch, streaching our arm/leg, if you dont fullfill your master - your body and mind, it will bite you ...
So we must kill ego
@Tomy Stark we can't kill ego, even true creativity is still full of our egoism
@@tomystark5606 I wonder if we need to do anything, but just see what we are. "KILL" is probably not the right word. But if we do nothing, what is life then? And turning away from thought, we still speak about what we are in a logical, sane manner, but this is thought, isn't it? And I do not know how to gather all my energy without a will: complete calmness.... Wonder if I ever can touch it....
@@archerlee8091 I understand. Try taming your body, mind. How? Yoga, chanting, breathing techniques. Slowly the built impressions will fade and gently your body mind will break small patterns. Then proceeding towards big ones. Purification of our mind and body is our responsibility. We need to align it to greater good. It is difficult and demands energy but definitely worth it. We need to rise beyond our afflictions of body and mind.
As sick as society is, we need these wisdom filled teachings. Thank you 🙏
"when you give importance to everything, then this becomes rather or less importance - Life is whole, not just one part." _ love JK_
He didnt answeres what you all wanted to hear but his aim was always to enhance our understanding
A long time bow down to this wonderful spirit 😊
He answered the question understanding will require experience of life and intelligence
I think he did answer the question. We give so much importance to sex because it gives us a sense of absolute freedom. A very common error we make is - even though we are in love with the ultimate goal, we mistaken the way of achieving that goal or a pointer to that goal as the goal itself. In this case, we are in love with freedom, but we get attached to sex as it temporarily gives us a sense of freedom. It's quick and takes less effort but the freedom comes with it's own limitations.
That's my understanding of it.
True
If you give tremendous importance to a part of life, you're corrupting yourselves. Life needs to be observed as a whole, not as a part - Analogy @ it's best!
I like to know how I am corrupting myself. what does he mean by 'corrupting yourself'?
@@sabariprasad4239 It means ur forgetting your morals and your standars by thinking that sex is more nessecery to reliv highest feelings than 1000s of other things which are same importance but u dont know it cas u need only sex .
@sabari much like if we only focusing on food/eating, then we'll corrupting ourself by becoming glutonous. Thus we need to really observe ourself as a whole.
Like working so your family can eat and be clothed and have a roof over their head!? I guess a job and responsibility are corrupt. Only these supposed super thinkers who have disciples to support them and pay for their life are not corrupt!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
@@davenelson9505 it's called negative thinking. I apologise. I am so sorry to say that. But this is what he is saying that look at you as a whole. Life is not just about work or buisness. But when you will try to enjoy other parts of it you will also enjoy work or buisness whatever is giving you money. And you can have more better idea to earn except 9 to 5 working.
His teachings are so profound, even after so many years. More important then ever and indeed not for everyones mind to understand. Keep absorbing and one day the meaning of his words will drop into your heart and blossom.
I agree
Am I the only one who feels he didn’t actually answer this question? Took a long time to start, stated some platitudes, got into some related aspects of it, but didn’t really get to the heart of it.
He was buying for time while he searched around for an answer.
Actually, our species fixation with sex is a consequence of evolution by natural selection. We’re the descendents of people who wanted to have sex. The genes of people disinterested in sex have (more or less) dissapeared from humanity’s gene pool.
Sex is so popular on media because now, after religious taboos have lost their power in society, we’re actually getting what we always wanted. Where there’s demand, there’s supply.
Simple as that.
He fell into the trap of living up to his “wise man” role, supposed to have an answer to everything. An honest answer would have been “look man, I don’t know everything. I do have my field of expertise, but other than that, my guess is as good as anyone else’s”
I say “I don’t know” a lot. My father in law even jokes about it. I believe there’s no shame in admitting you don’t know something.
His answer is that because we feel trapped within and without, we hold sex in high esteem, as it feels like the only creative thing we do. And in doing that "you destroy yourself" by placing too much emphasis on it, and not enough on the entirety of our being. rough interpretation.
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I've had so many "wow, aha!" moments here that I cannot believe a mind like his ever existed (of course he did but still, his clarity of mind is unreal at times). Thanks for sharing.
The need of his teachings are more important for current generation. We are living in copying, competing and monotonous life.
If there's one line to take out of the whole video :
U give a particular thing too much importance and ur no longer in control, that thing is
U give equal importance to everything instead and ull see everything fall in place
This holds true for relationships (family, friends, infatuations), feelings (love, sex, sorrow etc), material possessions etc, i.e. pretty much everything
for those who didn't understand what this amazing human being tells us, with atemporality i say, he is just telling us that we are what we give energy to. If we focus on the small things, the money, the sex, the furniture we are just that. If we are just concerned with things in this space time, in this world, in this life then we are just that. But when you separate yourself from these transient things, things that will not matter when we die, then you are closer to the truth. Don't get angry if you don't understand, and please, don't say that he did'nt anwser the question if you just could'nt take anything of it. For those who can understand what he is saying he said everything. Don't get taged with things in the world. It all passes. The media, the TV may make you think that i don't, that this linearity life makes all sense when it doesn't. he cleary says that spend 50 years going to work is bullshit, and even going to church isn't setting us free. Is us that got this power to set us free. Just look the truth in yourself, separeted from all in this world.
Thank u soo much ... Ur explanation is one of the best explanation ... Thank u so much
Your explaination is misleading in this context, pls don't do this
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People focus on different things at different stages of life. Young people may prefer sex old people wine if they remain fit enough to enjoy both lucky for them but they still have to fit in all the other daily activities of life and remain mentally and physically balanced. If they can do all this and more then they have not had a wasted life. We are really mostly part of the inner world where we can explore all kinds of freedom of thought but much of that is put there and not always gained via experience, but we have to function in the physical outer world where there are all kinds of restraints. How free can we truly be.? We have more apparent illusionary freedoms than ever but somehow we are actually hurtling towards O W O enslavement. The thought police are gunning for everyone. Be aware.
Nayara Lucena 🌈 Amazing girl !
Sex fulfills several different basic human needs and can be healthy but like anything else we can develop an unnatural attachment to it and it can become unhealthy in the same way food is natural but can become unhealthy. If we use either food or sex as an escape to avoid dealing with our emotions or problems in life we can get caught up in a destructive cycle of addiction and what was meant to be healthy and beneficial becomes perverted and destructive. This is not only true for food and sex but everything that is normal and healthy can become an unhealthy attachment if we do not deal with our emotions correctly. To ask the question why does sex play an important part in our life is the same as asking why does food or work play such an important part in our life. without sex none of us or anything else for that matter would be here.
Good message
Well explained
Is there any real point in engaging in sex and propagating this experience, anyway? What's the point of indulging in anything? Why even exist? I feel like the game of life is realizing that it is a game and that the only way to win most (if not all) of these games is to just not play.
Life just feels pointless. But it feels even more pointless to use this life to indulge in anything. So why even exist?
@Nikki Noodles Why eat an apple? There are countless reasons why. You can probably think of hundreds of answers yourselves. Obviously none of these appeal to you. Yet you keep asking "why?". So the question appeals more than any of the answers available. Why is that? Why cling to dissatisfaction?
I feel pathetic to have lived a life without being this source of pure light and Divine knowledge... All my love and respect Sir... ❤️🙏🏽
Why do you want to be someone else?
@@gustavjansen why do you care?
That is the most profound way of thinking about sex I have come across. Simple, yet profound. JK was indeed one of the wisest men who ever lived.
Bruce Lee was a big fan of JK since he was a big influence in Bruce's philosophy in life.
Which book says this? Any book on this?
@@Gowtham.D Tao Of Jeet Kune Do
Shit I love Bruce. I had no idea🤓
Open your mind, be like water.
I'm so stupid, I thought he is an old and wise woman :D
"Life is whole." 🌺🌻🌼 ❤ Uncompared clarity of thought, sentiment, awareness, and dialogue. Timeless, and in terms of personal freedom, it targets both the private and the political aspect of human existence.
He conducts this discussion well without any arrogance about his knowledge.
inspiring how his energy is aligned with his words, with a lot of nuance still at an older age. Like all of us he must have a certain craving to share his thoughts, but he doesnt run after this craving, slowed his mind down very beautifully, he must feel very free :)
Short version Answer at 13:58 (for those who have been confused from the rest of his teaching in this video).
Thank you 😊
BRILLIANT! I wish more people could understand the wisdom of this great teacher.
AEOLIAH But why do you place him on such a pedestool?
@@mastere682 How many human beings u see every day giving such truhtfully insights?
AEOLIAH usually the desire for more to understand kind of contradicts the point of men such as him and others who have realized very deep truths. You must seperate from all needs including the need for more to agree. If you feel the truth you feel it
He is Brilliant teacher in the world
@@mastere682 agree,i dont understand it either...why do they celebrate any teacher of so called spirituality i dont know
I’m talking about the beasts who have become so distorted that instead of looking at women as honorable beings (neutral manner) they look at them as sexual objects to satisfy them (distorted manner).
People who only think of sex sex sex are weak willed and stuck at the bottom of Maslow's pyramid. Upgrade yourselves, ascend. Dont stay at the bottom in constant need and weakness. Have some self control.
When you're in control, you honor your being. When your desires control you, you are no different from an animal. SO use the one thing that distinguishes humans from animals, your mind.
It's quite a shame there still lot of people and cultures who believe in this
problem is animals operate out of pure instinct. So animals are natural and sacred, doing no wrong. In seeing the purity in nature, we can see the purity in ourselves and reflect that unity outward, if we want to. It is the choice of life, of shining that light. No one to shame, no fingers to point, just the right amount of love, compassion, and grit for each situation. Not focusing on any element as separate, there is no man or woman to point to. It is all the same material dream-stuff. That is not to dismiss anything, but to care for everything to the degree you choose.
Meditation is the only way to control your mind
Your mind controls you or you want to control your mind
We are animals, why deny it?
Our mind creates just as many problems as our desires. Use both. They are tools for different aspects of life.
Timeless and Priceless... as always! A true Sage... a Colossus!
When a person doesnot know anyother way of experiencing bliss person resorts to it...when one experiences spiritual bliss all else is useless..it's very very difficult to evolve, to understand without a Guru..
Beautiful explanation..
We should encourage youth to question ...question...
Inward freedom ,gives tremendous vitality for soul to leave and experience the vastness of Universe..experiencing the infinity.....still in physicalbody
Once again the original viewpoints of Krishnamoorthi help us question our egotistic thinking
He is one of the wisest man in the history
hamid eslami The wisest person in history will never be born. He is the silent listener within..the all seeing collective consciousness..
@@JohnGeometresMaximos idiot... how?
he indeed is
Crazy Guy yea don’t bother man. Most people see the agreement as a cult following because the only examples of ideas they have seen followed by groups are religion. Which is full of flaws. A man not ready to accept his inner truth will always have an opinion on the other who has already accepted his truths. But in a way I can see the misunderstanding when we give too much credit to someone’s words and points. It comes off like some cult following. The thing many fail to realize is me and you and everyone here on this planet can achieve all equal level of awareness/knowledge. The whole point is that no one is over anyone or above any other one. Those who get fed up and make crazy statement I suggest you don’t respond with emotion as it only makes their point feel validated. As hard as it is to behave like this in everyday life you will find your lack of response will be the best response at times.
@@thepixelwizard01 exactly 💯
He is a serious philosopher my god !! Every words hit
Balance is key, is what I understood from him at the end of the video. Deny it, and it builds up to be uncontrollable. Give it too much, and it corrupts.
Well, a vasectomy caused me impotence at 35. After years,I realize that I will focus on other things, I can't let my impotence to make me depressed. Life is only once, I have to accept my condition
Do you give importance - equal importance...
...to being free from fear? No.
Equal energy, vitality, thought to ending sorrow? No.
Why don't you? Why only this?
Because that is the easiest thing to have.
I don't think so.
So we are deprived of freedom outwardly and inwardly for generations upon generations we have been told what to do.
This message has to go around. ty J. Krishnamurti
Yes
Thank you Shri Krishnamurthy ji 🙏. Feel little peaceful today.
This it! This man is truly profound. Want these words to resonate in my essence
When we dont hv inner pleasures we go out ward pleasures..true pleasure is inside ,a few ppl get it blessed souls..
Wow you said it best
This man is like a star to shine and guide this and the coming generations! Thanks to upload this kind of videos.
Quando a gente ouve Krishnamurti com nossos ouvidos internos, com afeição e real intenção de entender o que ele tenta nos fazer perceber, alguma coisa dentro de nós passa por uma mudança, um crescimento, e nunca mais seremos a mesma pessoa.
Que lindo
You may increase the speed to 1.5 to watch it faster. I see some people annoyed by his slow speech .. I always do .. but I think his slow tone adds to the weight of his wisdom ..
I think a lot while listening to such speech... he speaking slow gives me that opportunity. I once read one of his book and I had to stop several times, think for several minutes and some times read the page again before proceeding further... in fact you can see him asking audience often "yes?" "no?".... thought provoking speeches are better to be slower :)
Don't be in a hurry to just gain knowledge... take time and live it
It's like listening to paint dry.
We limit our own creative potential by giving too much importance to sex, which can never lead to ultimate satisfaction. That is what I think K seems to be saying here.
Half true.
@@JustGotALife yes, he is also talking about tantra. thing is that everyone must find their own balance, from where they can control things - this is not always easy, but I think only, because we are stuck to ideas instead of reality of the presence - that is the process itself - to learn how to see it naturally :)
Why don't we give the equal importance of free from fear ??? Blessed to see his videos...thank you❤️❤️
The humanity, most of the times go for the easiest way. Sex is one of them. Its important, but not the most. First come Love but its very demanding... so its easier to do sex and not put your heart, its so much work .
Its to hard tryng to be a better person...is to hard doing right...its to hard respecting the nature...its to hard respecting yourselfs and the others...its to much work...so we go by the easiest. Thats way the world is hard, because its easier to do wrong
Wow..👍🏽😕
well said
When K. talks about love, he understands love in the meaning of caritas, not in the meaning of eros, he is talking about compassion, not about erotic love. The 2 couldn't be more different. Just wanted to point that out because mentioning love next to sex one may be inclined to think we're talking about erotic love, which we are not.
Thats why he never gave any example ever because he always put raw intellectual knowledge and didnt attached it with any example ever . Because he wanted you to connect with it yourself thats really fantastic if you get it.
Imagine asking him for directions..
Lol and lol..
There goes my coffee. Brand new laptop too.
How to become richer in Soul by listening to our elders.
Live, Love, Laugh, Dance and Sing... Even if only in your mind, or your imagination. A mind is really a terrible thing to waste.
Food, Sleep, Fear, and Sex are basic nature given to all living beings. One has not to suppress it but to enjoy it with full awareness full of divine wisdom.
jagdish jariwala I recommend changing your views
Why
that's the basic needs dude. once met you can progress
jagdish jariwala u r saying let us stay in animal consuiessness ever ,u want to enjoy fear???lol such a fool u r, sorry to say that.
@Hirath Jani In here we say it's good for burglars to visit and do their work sometimes, the victimised people become alert in life.hope you get it.
So much love for Krishnamurti ji..
You're denying your nature if you have no sex, but it's just one of hundred important things in your life.
We r basically animals and sex drive is a natural instint for reproduction. That's it.
@@rajeshpatel6593 That's clearly not it and there is clearly more to sex than that, as has been shown in every aspect of human life.
We need people like him now also
This man is incredible a total genius
Such a wise man , he nailed the question in its totality"not only sex."My God "this is a true philosopher.
Well said sir....u r the most profound person i hv ever seen...give equal importance to all emotion..why only sex?very nice question
Can you imagine a world where our leaders would need to justify their actions to Krishnamurti before getting to execute!
He is the true master, not in the sense that you have to follow what he says; he is a human being that has found the truth, the real realization of life and he is sharing it for us to reach it or coming back to it because it has always been there.
He never mentions LOVE. When we love then is sex most beautiful, profound,sweet, connecting state that human being may experience in his lifetime.
Blue Mandarin
Love is a fickle thing.
Love is a fiction.
You just haven't found Love.. for you guys to say this...
Do you think that I am using word Love lightly? Because I was not talking about word Love. State of being. Love is Not a freaking Voldemort that no one may talk about.We should talk as much as possible about Love. And do.
True. And it's not something you could try. In fact you wouldn't think about it if it was all just as it should be. I mean love is when you feel yourself aka have no unexpressed feelings that get in the way of life stream. Sounds technical? Isn't, because there is music where things just express by itself which in return fill your mind with life, inspiring you. Otherwise sex is a emotional coping thing rather.
The longest 15 minutes of my life. I am not discrediting his teachings but I personally couldn't make anything out of it.
T Yayo Have you ever attempted to not make anything out of it? Just Listening..
Of course. The guy is a con artist.
cheajna So, who are you working for again? You have a personal vendetta! Have you been hurt by K's teachings?
Start at 3:07
@@cheajna It doesn't even matter who he is. It's about your consciousness having the attention that is not connected to the past.
Focusing on "satisfying" one aspect of our humanity is another form of "Addiction" that will destroy the "person" the "self" will be lost.
Personally, I have never considered sex to be relevant for me! I live happily without it and my experience it is that sex overcomplicates life.If you don't desire children, it's great to live without it!!!
Davie McEvoy agree
What a deep insightful answer to a question that boggles human psyche since the beginning!
JK has the best answer to any question thrown at him. Because he never answers a question. Insured, he suspends the question and looks at it with you as a friend.
Enought Respect forever and always, Namastê Krishnamurti! Gratitude for been here.
"Sex is like air; it's not important unless you aren't getting any"
I would say that there are healthy ways to give it importance, and unhealthy ways to do so. JK did not distinguish in this video, and I feel like he generalizes importance as a bad thing. People also generalize the ego as a bad thing whereas I feel there are unhealthy egos and healthy egos. Healing our ego is not about getting rid of it, and same goes for the meaning we ascribe to sex (in other words, the importance we place on it).
Wat he is trying to say here is that when we find certain higher creative acts (say a creative startup, or being a painter or being a yogi etc) then sex as an act of creativity becomes mundane, repetitive and limited. There are many unknown yogis, monks in India in the Himalayas who are ecstatic by their very own nature and never feel an urge for sex coz they have found higher blissful state of experiences to which sexual pleasure is of no match or is too limited or childish. So its not about doing sex in a healthy or unhealthy ways rather its about going beyond it.
Balance is the key. Finding it though is the real struggle
When the feeling of sex arises inside the body, I feel helpless. It seems that semen has an impulse with super great energy constantly pushing me to let it out. If I try to suppress it then it will become more and more powerful and if I observe it then I am getting more and more involved with it that it don't let me focused on any other thing. Mind is totally Hijacked at that time.
Desire is playng role, attachment to lust
testosterone
We dont pay attention to the words we hold so precious to our lives. If you dislike this video your stuck in your own egotistical thought. Look up the words you dont understand then as careful surgeon: use this pure mans words as a mirror of yourself to extract all evils from your beautiful life, soul, spirit, or whatever you would call this precious gift of life!
You are very right...there are people who are more critical of the way the presentation is made rather than the content
Maybe language is not good enough, because it is limiting.
There is nothing man, its sheer nonsense
No. Just no. Because you are a being. You already are. You cannot fix yourself or presuppose that it was a problem. In fact you don't mean to.
@@secularsecular1618 i will watch it again but I most agree with you
Sex can be an addiction, it's a drug. And it's an easy one, perhaps the easiest. If for a person it is not so, then it is not even given such big importance.
Sex plays such an important part in life because it makes people get married and have children and then their lives go to hell.
Wtf lol so true tho
HA HA
Sex is wonderful thing on spiritual level,and thats how it should be used,not like false escape to freedom.
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Call him what you want but he is no charlatan. The very fact that decades after the man died, we still have debates about his thoughts, indicates that he has achieved what he set out to do. That we question and challenge and ask ourselves questions and if at the end of this open process, you decided that he was a waste of time, I think he would have been the happiest man alive. However, not by closing your mind of in simply because the question was too uncomfortable or you were too lazy....
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What matters is that whether things in life, are being done either by a Healthy mind or an Unhealthy mind
Why it matters ?
If it's done on an insane level , it's for sure unhealthy.
Truly a great teacher! 🙌🏿
Corrupt was the word to be used. Thank you Krishnamurti
Best explanation ever, especially the last 4 seconds...
Only who clean and pure can understand the purity in his words. please be seekers not follow and be free and happy,❤️
The thing w/ old ppl taking time rlly gives you more to contemplate. More space, more time ...
You can't fall if you don't climb. But there's no joy in living your whole life on the ground.
I love being on the ground.
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This world is created with a great many flaws. It take an insurmountable effort to create happiness and joy whereas suffering and misery are always right around the corner.
It's ridiculous what a human would go through in order to have 15 seconds of pleasure and a lifetime of regrets
15seconds o.o
@@thanasosisidore5097 Not even....maybe 10 at most? :D A VERY nice sensation...but that's it, basically! So true - the baggage it can and DOES bring :O
If you want to reduce sex to just orgasm... sure
Sex means intimacy and closeness. Sex means oneness.The joy of being together is behind sex.
and why we tend to give so much importance of intimacy and closeness? to make sex? to escape bordom? to escape loneliness? And why is there so much fear if we lose this "oneness"? By the way sex can be also A LOT more than what you describe... It can be even revenge, possession, an addiction. It can hurt, it can tear a soul.
Male moths will dive into a candle flame because they mistook it for a female looking for a mate. Unfortunately for them, instead of getting lucky they end up burnt to death.
Discoteque77 unfortunately tho we have forgotten what sex is mainly about. Everybody is having sex just to do it without any meaning. Pornography for example.
Everything has a meaning. Pornography is usually used a coping mechanism to avoid pain.
You might think that's understood eh? :) You not get any much closer.
Be present - everything has then equal importance.
Make your own culture! Devise your own universe as if life itself was beginning again. Let the heart and soul guide you into lifes many marvels. Say your originality out loud, hear your selfs truths. Let It liberate, inspire and births new energy. Dont ever get stuck too long on a confusion or question. Continuously let go to problems, greet them and then release them.
jiddu and jacque fresco, the greatist minds on earth that i know of
K continually says,"you are your own guru", find it friend and the world becomes a greater space. Good luck!
Try Alan Watts... Way superior to Fresco. But Jiddu is the ultimate!
Maybe i put too much importance on finding love and someone who i agree with on ethical and integral parts of life, but finding someone to share your life with and start a family with will always be of great importance to me. I understand i have the urge to have sex and that's not inherently bad, but i would so much rather find someone i love to do it with rather than do it just for pleasure, but at the same time it feels my youth is slipping away while i put love on a pedestal and i should just liberate myself sexually, even though the people i have had the chance to be intimate with were either about to cheat or just too easy-going on the subject as whole. I just hope i figure out how valuable an emotional connection is in sex before i become entirely alienated/estranged by current society and their view on love/sex/relationships
When you're having sex your brain perceives it as "you are procreating." As part of the evolutionary progress it can only be beneficial. It also brings the feeling of success. It's a trick of the mind, as more often than not you are just doing it for fun, without realising that the need arises out of the natural need to procreate. Throughout the evolutionary process the desire for sex was an important advantage. So we basically desired sex more and more...
No. As JK himself points-out, it's not mainly about procreating. What he neglects to discuss, though hints at, is the fact that sex in the context of our species is mainly a bonding, learning, and healing activity, not a procreating activity. The reason it is so pleasurable is of course a matter of speculation, but i'd wager it has much more to do with its benefits to living peacably in pairs or groups than it has to do with determining procreative behaviour. Consider how rarely coitus produces children in our species, for starters, and then step over to look at our closest analog in the chimpanzee world and the picture is clearly one of sex as a conflict-resolution, group-bonding and learning tool. Oh yeah, and making babies, eventually. But to say the 'just doing it for fun' is a trick of the mind and that really it arises out of the need to procreate is not accurate.
People interested in this may also be interested to consider that humanity has invented thousands of cultural approaches to sexuality, and that the emphasis on the subject in the modern, post 'sexual revolution' world is hardly new, though it comes to us via new media of communication. One thing that's really different is the fact that kids are so routinely and so cruelly shamed and punished from all directions for exploring sexuality. Even a casual read of anthropology should point-out to the thoughtful how incredibly cold modern life is toward growing-up sexually.
Consider, for example, how much fear i am liable to react from as a paedo when a young girl touches me sexually out of natural curiosity combined with just enough trust. I must reject her advance with such finality and authority, and never explain why i did so, or risk being accused of raping her when she was the one who touched me, and even if nothing approaching coitus ever happened. (Laws are weird.)
I am gratified that she felt safe-enough with me to have done so, yet both of our lives and those of our close family members (in north america) would be ruined. I would love to bond sexually with her, have no interest in impregnating her, (and it is highly unlikely at the ages i'm talking about), and there are a thousand and one nights' worth of pleasures to be explored short of coitus, yet none of that can take place. Instead her experience is one of having made such a grave social error that through her (courageous) indiscretion she killed what had been a very enjoyable friendship. Because that's what happens in these cases, usually, and in a lesser way with every adult-child relationship wherein the child's sex play with themselves or others is crushed. The child takes responsibility for it even though it was the adult's passing-on inherited fear that fried curiosity and bonding.
One more thing. When JK and others talk about how sex (pursued as a path to enlightenment) never leads beyond sex and is in itself limiting, they are always talking within the artificial confines of a society that does to very young children the brutal domestication i've described (participating in) above. They can do no otherwise than to speak inside of this paradigm, since no other is available to them. Yet as countless societies have shown, there are other ways to approach children's sexuality, and if a culture were developed along non-violent lines then and only then could it be tested, whether or not good sex could lead to nirvana.
In short, it is a naive conclusion to say, "that never works because we can't test it thoroughly," yet that is what his statement boils down to. And that statement forms the premise for much of his and other people's perspectives on sexuality.
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Heath Synnestvedt both the original poster and you are correct at a fundimental level. sexual repoduction is how humans evolved, like hunger. however humans evolved beyond that, as they have a preference for sweet foods, it has meaning to the primal psyche of man, looking at how the tounge and even the offactory organs react to different types of food. we don't eat the most audacious desserts, or even fruits because we are hungry, but because they taste good & what that taste "means" to us. dolphins or bonobos would be another example of this. sex is a social activity for humans, not just a repoductive function. however, that said, pre pubecent children are not physically developed enough to have orgies with adults, just as babies cannot handle solid food without teeth. historically you do see examples of hebophilia, but not pedophilia. children of that age are unsuprisingly more intrested in ice creams than hand jobs, but they are facinated by all adult intrests with the naivety of childhood. nowerdays ofcourse the victorian era of western civilization was the last true human empire, and the worlds societies are still reeling from that time. but even in a world where that wasn't the case, i think pedophilia would still be seen as an gross ill as psychopaths tend to rape children. infact you could even argue that all codes of morality are designed to filter for psychopathy on some level.
Prem Ananda I disagree, there is also an exchange of energy, it is actually very healing and very grounding, it is all about the maturity levels :)
Prem Ananda Are you sure that with our complex mind of thoughts, desires, images, that the purpose of sex is still only a biological inclination?
This is the video where you see clearly the difference between "intellect" and "truth"
Explain it pls
I respect Krishanmurti but I'm a critic right now. His answer doesn't get to the root, but only explores the aspects connected to it, like creativity, freedom, easy reward and pleasurable.
There are only 2 reasons why sex is at the center of most of our lives, especially men's. It is:
#1 Exploitation of the masculine
#2 Creating extreme lust around sex
Men have been exploited as never before in time. It is natural for a man to feel attracted towards the feminine, today's marketing revolve around that. Soaps, alcohol, beds, juice, you name it and there will be a commercial with an almost naked woman. Most buying decisions were made by men, so this has been designed as the current culture. That's changing with online shopping though. In my speculation, it is time for the marketers to do what they do best, turn their exploitation towards women.
This culture promoted sex in movies, ads, songs and every media channel in a way, that young boys were introduced to it as if it is the most masculine thing to do. They were told you're a loser if you're a virgin, and don't lie, even you believe that until you really question it, that's how deep the hypnosis is. Even me. Right now I don't, but tomorrow I might be when my conciousness gets a little duller than the level it is at right now.
#2 Most cultures of the world treated sex as something children should not even talk about. They forbade them and made it such a secret, that it became the hottest secret. Shrouding sex like that for us made it so attractive, that the perception cannot be changed now. Sure when we had sex we believed it's not as interesting as people made it, but by then the seed is in the soil. We know it's not that interesting the day we had it. The next week when the consciousness gears back to the lower gear, we're lusting for sex again.
The solution is to help the next generation, we're doomed so all we can do is keep reminding us consciously. For the next ones, to present sex to them as nothing interesting, and just an activity like eating food. To give it to them instead of shrouding it and chaining them a kilometre away from it, by helping them find a life partner when they become sexually matured.
To do this, we have to create media laws with a good conscience and a review of how it has wrecked previous generations. And by creating new parenting standards individually. By walking this long and tough journey, can we only reverse the damage and bring sex down the pedestal.
Again, all the respect to Krishanmurti. It's totally different to speak in front of a public, you have to keep firing. When I'm writing, I have a lot of time and convenience to think.
You're wrong sex dominates both male and female mind females are good at hiding so you think that they're not that lusty but it not true....like K said we must enquire about ourselves to understand ourselves better so sex dominates so much in humans mind because we're born from that's it and only our soul can overcome it because everyone's soul want freedom that's what K is saying in last few minutes in this video
Very nice
I would say don't be attached to any object that creates hurdles in discharging your daily chores of life
Take this guy's advice, think for ourselves, the guru and student is w/in ourselves, and you never have to listen to this unless U need to get a feel for the "path" again. Cool
one aspect I find interesting, one of which I believe gives credence to/with his words is that this video only has 85,508 views, whereas the McGregor vs. Mayweather post fight press conference had 3 to 5 million within the first day. We don't put enough energy into self developement. Our energies and/or attention are all outward distractions from our inward turmoil, which only perpetuates our confusion and it's consequent growth. "Who looks outward dreams. Who looks inward awakens." Carl jung
@@p.edwardgeocent7617 That why humans are prisoners of their own device,thinking that its freedom.
I really like this guy, both intellectually and personally (at least he sure seems like a very genuine, likeable person). Obviously, he has a very well considered stance on sex, but everything he points out is a result of social and cultural variations overlaid on the basic human sex drive, and not primary drivers in and of themselves. In other words, throw everything he says out, and ask yourself, would we as humans have any LESS affinity for sex? NO (even though sex manifests itself differently in different cultures and individuals depending on their life experiences and how they are affected by those unique stressors, positive or negative). If the answer if yes, then we must elucidate why. We evolved an affinity for sex b/c those with it were much more successful (totally on a sub conscious level) at passing along their genes (that's why fertility is so closely linked to mortality in almost all cultures). And that adaptation evolved hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years before any of the issues he points out were anywhere in the picture at all. The rituals, psychological, and social/cultural memes and mores that we have developed after the fact are just that...after the fact. The REAL reason sex is so important lies in the fact that we escaped the CONFINES of the sex instinct (giving us a modicum of control over sex and our sexuality), but NOT the drive itself, which remains just as strong as an animal during rutting season, no matter how offensive some may find that to be (that thought robs us of our perceived power over the sex drive). And, there is a huge difference bt suppressing the drive vs. not having the drive, just like the difference he points out bt expressions of creativity, and creativity itself. If we have escaped the instinct/drive (meaning that the assertions in this video could in fact be primary as opposed to secondary drivers), then why is rape still a universal phenomenon to a lesser or greater degree, even in societies that strongly try to suppress and discourage it with social and institutional disincentives? I agree with almost everything he says, except his conclusion that these secondary, and most valid uses of the human sex drive that we have developed, are instead the root of why we give sex such importance. We made no such decision at all. Nature/evolution made that decision for us long ago, most likely beginning in our hominid ancestors. Even though we as humans want/need to see ourselves as separate and more evolved than the rest of the animal kingdom, thus giving us special dispensation in a world beyond, this is most likely due to the fact that we cannot feel secure in our being unless we can figure out how to preserve our identity for the period of which we can imagine that identity to exist (or not exist). In the case of humanity, that is forever (therefore, the need for immortality scenarios such as religion. This link is well established by Freud and many post Freudian psychiatrists/psychologists such as Otto Rank and Carl Jung. For more on that connection, look up 'Terror management theory'. Mortality is also very tightly linked to sex. That's why studying immortality scenarios throughout history shines a lot of light on sex and sexuality as well. Regardless of whether you think I'm off the deep end, or identify with what I'm saying, I'd love to hear you honest feedback. Sex/immortality is one of my favorite topics to discuss.
Verry true and Reading beween THE lines, love this man. Bruce lee was verry inspirated by this man.💜
Source?
We are not free from our own knowledge
wise words, the wisest I ever heard on this topic.
Brilliant. What JK is saying is that sex is a condition of mind. No matter where we rank sex - from important to unimportant - it is still a condition, an imagination. Monks and priests imprison themselves from Truth, by upholding the condition of sex as an action to be avoided. They are avoiding an imagined activity, and as long as they do that, they will never be free.
Over time, mind creates conditions - modes of expression Truth - like sex, eating, talking, fear, anxiety, emotions, etc. Ways of expressing Truth is called Nature.
We are one God and we create Nature. Nature is expression in our own likeness.
Struggling inside of Nature is delusional and futile. Allow Mind (the tool we created to create Nature) to see beyond Itself. To see the Truth masked through Nature. Then Mind is Free.
Truth IS.
Sex is Nature, created and developed over time. We made sex the easiest, fastest condition/way to expressing Truth. We also temper ourselves by having Sex in moderation (a condition called The Middle Way).
Moderation is the easiest/fastest way to "arrive at" the non-thinking state of Truth, or what we call Bliss (i.e. orgasm). - Janamechanica, Mystic Philosopher
Janamechanica not really.
I think monks and nuns private themselves from sex because its power to corrupt minds. And so they can find the truth within God.
Janamechanica, Very interesting perspective.
I am very interested in the concept of Truth myself.
but I refuse to believe that we created ourselves and nature. Doesn't mesh with my philosophy.
I don't think moderation is the easiest way to arrive at a non-thinking state. Moderation requires thinking. Non-thinking requires utter abandon.
I will ignore your cheesy byline.
Celibacy only way for "seekers"
nice interpretation that maybe works for you.
Knowledge is not wisdom. I cannot bare so called intellectuals or Dr who is living in contradiction but this man is real…
Sex and life is better when sex is mastered and controlled. To understand that I have desires and impulses to do things. Nature will incline me towards things. Understand that you dont have to obey that desire. This is what makes us different then animals and God rewards us with positive energy, confidence, focus and overall stability when we fight against our beastial self.
"Man has been able to fly higher then the birds but still hasnt found out how to control himself"
The key to winning in life is to start at the heart. Purify your heart and don't be a slave to your desires and watch where that takes you.
"The best war to fight is the war of the self"
Peace to you all.
Peace, thank you for that message.
Perfect message.
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No, sex is not mastered and controlled. It is expressed.
This is very very very very very very very very very very very very deep .... ✨✨🙇🙇✨✨
To know that ultimate goal that is oneness with youniverse😊
What a rationale!!!
Simple solutions to complex issues 👍
The answer to this question is simple: it feels good. It is very very special. It is the source of the creation of life. It has a strong connection with the spiritual. Even practiced alone it has the power to help you go beyond. When coupled with good intentions and compassion, it is one of the very best things in life.
That being said, it is worth examining the words of the wise carefully. And here is a wise man.
Amazing!! I am so grateful! ❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
So long answer short, cause it feels good, because it's without judgement and readily available
So brave! Thank you Krishnamurti!