TROY (2004) Movie Reaction Part 2/2! | First Time Watch | Brad Pitt | Eric Bana | Orlando Bloom
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- Achara and Steph watch Wolfgang Petersen's epic Troy, an adaptation of Homer's Illiad for the very first time. Troy stars Brad Pitt (Bullet Train, Mr & Mrs Smith, Fight Club) as Achilles, Eric Bana (Hulk, Munich) as Hector, Orlando Bloom (The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, The Pirates of the Caribbean) as Paris, Brian Cox (Succession) as Agamemnon and Diane Kruger (Inglorious Basterds, National Treasure) as Helen.
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The only movie where Sean Bean doesn't die. And miraculously, one with major battles.
National Treasure and Silent Hill
Its rare... but this is not the only one.
Oddly enough... Patriot Games followed the source book pretty close UNTIL the very end.... but in the book, Sean Miller (Sean Bean's character) lives... and yet he dies in the movie... poor Sean Bean, can't even catch a break in a book adaptation.
Another great movie that breaks that myth is "The Martian".
@@panjinerdmaster Ronin as well.
It must be awkward for him and other people to call him Mr. Bean lol.
The fact that a weakling like Paris killed a great warrior like Achilles is disturbingly poetic
The rise of archery in warfare.
In the original source material, Paris treacherously. killed Achilles with a poisoned arrow. In this movie, they made Paris a much better person than he was in the original story
Being fair he had literal help from Apollo because Achilles pissed him off.
Achilles caused his own downfall for permitting blasphemy
@@edwinsolis5710 idk if I am remembering this correctly but I remember Patroclus actually having a decent chance to beat Hector and was actually even winning when Apollo struck him down.
@@mahirabrar9110 Oh yes in the original Patroclus was also a great fighter and only lost because of divine intervention. (Which is probably why he was able to convince troops with his act)
I love the detail that Achilles pulls out all of the arrows except the one in his heel. Then, when the Greeks arrive and see his body with just that arrow, it hints at creating the myth about it being his only weakness.
"You're a far greater king than the one that leads this army."
Y'all cut the line but it's the best line of the film. Eric Bana and Brad Pitt are absolutely fantastic in these roles
29:30 Paris didn't know him but that young man, Aeneas, would lead the surviving Trojans far to the west where they would found a new city called... Rome.
the "called" made it less epic
he did knew him aeneas was royalty prince and ruler, aeneas father was a first cousin of King Priam of Troy
According to the Aeneid, which was an epic commissioned by Octavian. It was never intended to be true, just poetic political propaganda to connect Julius Caesar to Iulus, son of Aeneas, son of Aphrodite.
I was gonna make this same comment. Thank you. Its a cool legend.
Paris knows Aeneas, who is his cousin. Virgil took this character in order to give Rome a founding myth making it descended from Troy, and its founders/leaders descended from Trojan royalty.
This is one of the finest sword fights ever to be committed to film… the choreography is incredible.. you can also actually see what’s happening and the actors putting in the work, none of that shakey cam bullshit.
indeed!
Yet they made a bit of a mess with the battles, like standing IN FRONT of walls. The whole point of walls is you stand behind them, standing in front was just stupid. Also most battles shown where a mass collide and mix is not what happened. Simply because you wouldn't be able to tell whos who. Instead they would have kept to their sides and gone in line by line slowly.
I remember seeing a video of someone with combat/historical experience do a breakdown of the battle but said it wasn't that good. Which is hard for me to agree with. Cuz It does look great, and as someone who has done various martial arts training, the movements are as real as they can be for a movie.
@@JohnSmith-wl8ts If you're going to criticise the battle tactic be sure you know what you're talking about yourself. There is no neat formation combat in Greece for some 300 years post writing of the Iliad and 800+ years since the events supposedly took place.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 A real military historian would know that there's no accuracy when it comes to the Trojan war - the descriptions of supposedly Bronze Age events we have only from 7th century poems describing 7th century practices. The film does a lot Hollywood stuff and many are necessary in the film, but overall they painted a rather ok picture of ancient warfare - duels, raids, battles in spontaneously organised groups, armies consisting of nobles and their retinues coming together, no particular chain of command beyond the noble, chariots being taxies to and from battle...Trojans are anachronistically organised in a Hellenistic Greek fashion some 300-350 years younger than the poem, and there are fantasy details here and there. But in general it is far better representation of concepts of warfare than anywhere else in the film, or even documentary (heavily influenced by a now obsolete image of unusually well organised battle lines of Greeks even in Archaic era
).
The story says the random kid Aeneas who holds the sword of Troy later lays the foundation of Roman Culture. It is mentioned in the Julius Caesar of Shakespeare too.
it's a good story but there's no truth in it at all , and thinking shakespeare was some sort of historian is quite comical lol
Aeneas was the son of Aphrodite ;-)
@James_Ford4815 what is truth, other than what we choose to believe?
@@juliant An answer too deep and wise for a comment like that but i've appreciated it
@@juliant Neither what you believe or don't believe ... that is only belief. It is a fallacy to equate X with Y ... without proof. 3 = three is justifiable. Truth = beauty is poetry, not proof.
Achilles fighting style is a thing of beauty. His unorthodox form was art. No wonder Brad was having a hard time doing the choreography while Bana was hitting him multiple times during the fight sequences
I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
@justingary5322 Jay dyer, if ur not eastern orthodox ur not Christian
Bruuuh… Mandem copying and pasting his essay now…
"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" stems from this very story.
as does Trojan Horse, Achilles Heel, "the face that launched a thousand ships", and on and on.
"Don't take a gift horse in the mouth"
Exactly 💯. I find it awesome how Greek mythology evolved into Roman mythology after Alexander The Great. I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
In Trojan culture horses were held in very high esteem. The Greeks knew this. And it was another reason why Priam did not want to see it burned. And in the final dialog from Odysseus we a hear him refer to Hector as "Tamer of horses"
Also horses are sacred to the god Poseidon
Ok, I hear you, but it wasn't horse.
"The last time you spoke to me like this was when you were 10 and you just stolen father's horse."
I get it now!
Yeah, the Trojans revered the Gods, and thought that burning an offering that was intended for Poseidon would incur the wrath of Poseidon.
In fact, when the seer Laocoon predicts that the Horse is not an offering but a trap, he gets bitten by a snake. While this was a ploy by Athena (in some renditions) to silence any dissent against her ruse of the Trojan Horse, this was ironically interpreted by the Trojans as punishment by Poseidon for the blasphemy against his offering.
Thus, the own interpretations of divine interventions by the Trojans was played into by the Greeks to perfect effect.
Achilles is more understandable as a character when you knowthe full story. He was cheated of godhood and immortality because Zeus feared his potential. Zeus tricked his mother a demigod into falling in love with a mortal so that Achilles could never rise and challenge his power. Unlike everyone else Achilles understood the gods and hated them and the twisted games they played with the lives of mortals so he set out to create a legacy with what little time he had to overshadow even Zeus. He accepted his death because he aways knew how his story would end.
I didn't know this backstory.
Thanks.Wow
@@micahkiyimba8641 the movie tried to stick with a more realistic version but the original story is wild full of monsters and competing gods playing silly buggers behind the scenes. Helen never truly loved Paris she was a reward given to him by the goddess of love for choosing her as the most beautiful Goddess over her sister who obviously then decided to screw Paris his family and his people over. And before you get too mad at Paris imagine two all powerful and well known petty beings cornered you demanding you pick who's prettier. Every teenage boy has nightmares about this exact scenario. Hint the only good answer is the one that lets you live.
It's easy to label Achilles egotistical because of how he comes across, but in reality he was the one with the most understanding of how their world worked and was really just speaking plainly and honestly
He understood everything but himself. He said to patroclus that he taught him to fight but not why to fight. Then warned him not to fight for Kings. Then that's what achilles did. He contradicted himself. He fought for his ego and asked questions later. It was only hours after killing Hector did his brain catch up with his actions.
he IS utterly egotistical, but is also wise & unlike those we despise with the quality, all to common today, HE REALLY IS AWESOME. Still, the movie does a good job leaving the audience members to decide for themselves what his fatal flaw was or in what combination; Rage, or Hubris (or put it another way, but those are the 2 options in my mind)
Achilles is a class A narcissist and a shit person.
@@LMaximus904meh, he didn't fight willingly for a king at any point, definitely for his ego/the prophecy of people remembering his name though
I mean, if you read the books, it was all the will of the gods.
Eric Bana is underrated. He's still my favorite Bruce Banner.
Same! I loved that Hulk movie I don't get all the hate it gets
@@lucassmith1886I liked it too but it was too slow and kinda too artsy for a comic book movie. But the action was really good except for the anti climatic last fight.
His Hulk was the strongest there ever was (so far on the big screen).
I think severely underrated actor. Did you know Eric Bana was a comedian. His big break for his first serious role was “Black Hawk Down” which lead to other movies for him, “Troy”, “Munich”
yeah I wish he'd done even more. Never understood the trash talk some had for him, he was great
The scene with the king of Troy and Achilles is epic. Acting masterclass by sir Peter o tool
Agreed
FACTS.
It’s like they saw the scene in gladiators are were like, bet
I've rewatched that scene countless times over the years
Hector and Achilles fight scene in this movie is one of the best ever in cinema history. I've seen it 100 times and it's still fire
Don't sleep on the first fight with Menelaus and Paris! While significantly less spectacular, I have never seen such a salient evocation of the sensation of going to fight against someone who so far outclasses you and to know that you very well may die.
This movie has some of the best fight choreography I’ve ever seen. Particularly with the fight between Hector and Achilles.
But the scene I REALLY loved was after the fight when Hector’s father talks Achilles into giving his son’s body back. That line of “even enemies can show respect” still gives me chills. RIP Peter O’Toole.
34:20 The Odyssey is the story of Odysseus’s return trip to Greece from the Siege of Troy, the Siege itself is part of The Iliad(another name for Troy was “Ilion”, hence the story being The Iliad). Which is why scholars thought it was just myth until they discovered the ruins in the 1800.
And The Aeneid is the story of Aeneas' journey to eventually found Rome. I love that the story includes nods to both of them and not just The Iliad.
The one who "discovered" Troy was a well known con-man who'd claimed to have found it several times earlier. It's still widely disputed. People agree it probably did exist, but not every one agrees that Schliemann was credible in the slightest.
@@Wickerrman yes been awhile since I read it but iirc the Aeneid has an Iliad homage half and an Odyssey homage half.
@RogueHippie13 I wonder if CinePals would be Interested in Doing a 'Reaction' Video to The Odyssey (1997 miniseries) Starring Armand Assante. we should suggest it.
I find it awesome how Greek mythology evolved into Roman mythology after Alexander The Great. I can understand Brad Pitt having frustration with the fight choreography as Achilles being the greatest demigod warrior in Greek mythology is no joke. I really enjoyed Troy as a kid and loved Achilles and Briseis relationship with the Stockholm syndrome captor and prisoner romance dynamic. Brad Pitt as Achilles, Erica Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom's performance as Paris is 🔥. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant
Agamemnon was actually killed when he got home by his wife Clytemnestra and her new man (the Trojan war lasted 10 years) as before he left he sacrificed their daughter Iphigenia to calm the seas before they set sail for Troy. As you can probably tell Clytemnestra wasn't exactly pleased with that so she got her revenge (ten years in the making but still).
She also murdered Breseis presumably giving Aga a bubble bath!
😅
Agamemnon is a piece of shit in every take of this story. lmao.
Ten years?!? Damn, she played the long game.
That was Cassandra who Agamemnon brought back with him and who died
The word hectoring comes from this moment when Achilles was yelling Hector's name, taunting him to come and fight
If I remember right, I think Achilles dragged Hector's body around the city walls for a couple of days or something. Psychological warfare of a kind.
Yep, he obliterates Hector's body till it's barely recognisable. It's horrible as written in the book.
Wasn't for a couple days I think, but he did do several trips around the city to ensure that all of Troy could see that their champion had been killed.
I also remember that this angered the gods. Which led to them siding with Apollo to guide an arrow to Achilles' heel leading to his death.
Orlando Bloom has stated that his Paris character is his least favorite of any he has played. I can see why, not really heroic. Good reaction Ladies!
Yeah but I still don’t consider it an inaccurate representation of him as a person 😂. I literally dislike the guy, the only person I dislike more is James Franco. He’s not Legolas, he’s Paris and Will Turner to me 😂, trash
Hector is a true hero, leads from the front, gives great advice and then knows he can't match Achilles and will die trying but goes anyway
In the actual story Achilles chased him around the walls
21:47 "I loved my son from the moment he opened his eyes 'til the moment you closed them." Amazing line…
"The rage of Achilles is a central theme in Homer’s epic poem, the Iliad." It's effectively the "tagline" thousands of years ago!
The ultimate tragedy with the battle between Hector and Achilles, is they’re both good men. In most movies when we build up a fight, there’s someone we’re rooting for and someone we’re rooting, but here we don’t want either of them to lose, and while Achilles does act barbarically after the fight it’s understandable because everyone has had their anger get the better of them. We see that Achilles even regrets his anger as cries over Hector.
Now some irony that was left out of the movie, while Paris is the one that ultimately struck down Achilles, Paris was struck down when he got hit with a poisoned arrow. In the story the rush Paris to his ex-girlfriend, Oenone, a nymph that Paris had left when he was given Helen by Aphrodite. They took him to Oenone because she had extensive knowledge of poisons and how to heal them, but she was so heartbroken over Paris abandoning her she let him die from the poison.
Peter o’toole gave us such a moving role, his conversation with Achilles is so heartfelt
Hector is so honorable. Achilles removes his helm and honor compels him to remove his. Beautiful detail
"Achilles was so blinded by rage....." Well, Steph, that's the very opening line of "The Illiad"
"Sing, Goddess, sing of the rage of Achilles, son of Peleus-
that murderous anger which condemned Achaeans
to countless agonies and threw many warrior souls
deep into Hades"
Paris was shot with a poison arrow by an archer named Philoctetes right after he shot Achilles, but is not shown in the movie.
The one time Sean Bean doesn't die everyone else does.
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18:31 I don't think Achilles was playing with him at all. I think Hector is the only opponent that ever really made him work for it
I think its both.
Early on yeh but Hector tired and it was cat play with its food for Achilles.
@@leonardobraynen1524after the stone thing
The really important part of this movie....
Is that Sean Bean lived.
So here's a fun fact and a not so widely known bit of history,
when Paris gave the sword of Troy to Aeneas, who lead the surviours out into the land of what is modern day Turkey, he actually departed on a pilgrimage to find a place where they could be safe and ultimately rebuild, and the place he found was Italy, and once there the people of Troy resided in a city in Italy in which Aeneas' great desendent Romulus eventually ruled, a city which spanned a great empire,
...and that city was Rome.
Yeah... Aeneas wasn't "some random kid". His wife was Paris's sister.
Yes, as per Greek Mythology, the boy Aeneas was the son of the Greek Goddess Aphrodite, who, along with Apollo and Poseidon, saved him multiple times in battle from the sword of both Diomedes and Achilles. When the Gods learned of the plot of the Trojan Horse, Aphrodite warned him specifically of the plot, and Aeneas and his followers left Troy to found a new city state to build their lives. The place they finally ended up was in Rome (Lavinium).
Beacuse is not history, is fantasy
Ite nott history ..its what shakespear said in his caeser play
@prodigalfraudaddy-es1gl the aeneid was written by virgil first, way before Shakespeare
Hector knows he goes to die,but he's not afraid
Idk about not afraid. But duty compels him to. So he does it.
He was afraid. He just went anyway. Thats bravery boys
He is more stupid than brave......he should have warned Achilles to Return and killed him if Achilles refused to Return. Fate of the Kingdom is more important than Fate of a Single person.
you don't have read Iliad of course
@@ilipap3695 I am responding on the basis of the movie, and the Iliad has many versions.
I absolutely love the fight choreography in the scenes with Achilles, especially the duel with Hector. They do such a great job of showing Hector is a formidable fighter but Achilles fights with such a unique, aggressive style that you can tell from the outset the he fights from his own plateau looking down at everyone else.
The biggest villain in the whole film was Paris. Always the coward, first brought Helen to Troy so thousands could die trying to save him, then challenged someone whom he could never beat and fell on his brother's feet to save him and finally killed Achilles who actually saved his cousin. Dude even got a happy ending with Helen🤦♂
True. All men were brave except that treacherous greek and Cowardly Paris. I wish Hector and Achilles become friend in their afterlife. After learning about Paris, now i hate love stories and Paris city 🤣. That f*cking coward should've got his ch*pped off in the first scene. So all of this war would be avoided.
Sorry to repeat but: Lot of insane top tier actor...but really the one in that movie that is the best in every single scene is Peter O'toole as King Priam. His speech are the stuff of legend and his one to one conversation with Achilles is top tier acting ! What they say too..."Achilles: If i do this, it doesn't change anything. Your still my enemy in the morning", Priam: Your still my enemy tonight...but even enemy can show respect..."Something people tend to forget !
"Beware Greeks bearing gifts." and in Star Trek:
"Beware Romulans bearing gifts."
I wish that they had made a sequel to this, about Odysseus' trip home, starring Sean Bean.
That would be a grand scale movie which include lots of CGI
@@prashant-bm4fp well, get the geniuses at ToHo, the ones that worked on Godzilla Minus One on the job!🤩
It likely would have been difficult given the Odyssey is heavy 'monster of the week' storywise and they were going for realism. But still would have loved to see it given the amazing job Sean Bean did in the role. He's one of the very few actors who seemed to have read the myths and use them in his portrayal.
Peter O'Toole can do more with a few lines than most actors can do with an entire movie. RIP.
it's the beginning of the 10 yrs trip back to Ithaca called the Odyssey
In Iliad Menelaus actually survived and took Helen back to Sparta.
As the son of Peleus, a human father, and a divine mother, the sea goddess Thetis, Achilles was mortal. However, Thetis tried to make him at least invulnerable and immersed him in the river Styx, which separates the underworld from the upper world. However, the spot on Achilles' heel where she held his hand remained unmarred by the river's water and thus became the only vulnerable spot.
In the best-known versions of Achilles' death, he was struck in the vulnerable Achilles' heel by Apollo himself or by a perhaps poisoned arrow from Paris, which was directed by Apollo. Thus the Achilles' heel from mythology became the namesake of the human Achilles tendon.
It's a pity that the gods don't play an important role in the movie, because they are, but that would be too much for a movie. Greetings from Germany
This movie is one of the most stacked movies ever. Just an insane cast of people who had either already been huge then or blew up in fame after.
I dislike the modern usage of the term "tragedy" to mean any generic bad event, including diseases & natural disasters, external forces beyond our fault and control. You have it right - for the Greeks, "tragedy" is self-inflicted, usually by idiocy, hubris and mistakes. Tragedy is a human drama, what makes it "tragic" is that it is driven by avoidable errors and misunderstandings.
Agamemnon didn't die in Troy, he was killed when he returned home by his wife Clytemnestra and her new lover Aegisthus
Hector’s death was so sad, Eric Bana was perfect. I was a huge fan of Brad Pitt in the 90’s and was kinda over him when this movie came out, needless to say he was great as well! Great reaction!!!
I consider Achilles to be Brad’s best character honestly and yeah Eric Bana is great and a bit underrated
The fight between Achilles and Hector is - for my money - the best melee fight in a fantasy/historic film. The build-up, the characterization, the dance-like choreography, the use of shields and weapons, the tension ... all absolutely top tier! To me, this film just seems to be generally underrated.
Also: I would vote Hector (as portrayed by Eric Bana) one of the best blockbuster movie role-models for young men. If you want to be a classically "good man", look to Hector.
"Everybody hold in your pee, poops and farts!" is what I tell my body when I'm on a date 😂
I know people might not like Paris for killing Achilles, but the thing is, from his point of view, Achilles mercilessly killed Hector and dragged the body behind his chariot. Here Achilles was, in a beautiful target position, and Paris avenged his brother.
That’s the thing about this story, each of the main characters has a motivation which we stand behind (except Agamemnon, who was downright greedy and power hungry, but it was true to the source material, where he was just as bad as well). You can take anyone’s side in this story, and still feel satisfied about it….
Exactly, I don’t even like Paris but I would never hate him for killing Achilles, from his pov all he is as killer and a monster, capable of no feelings no love, no mercy. Also in that moment he might’ve thought Achilles was about to take her slave or something bad to her so he had to make a quick decision
In my opinion, Paris was a fool whose actions caused just about everything to follow. Arrogant enough to break a peace treaty for lust and too cowardly to accept the consequences of his actions when he was beaten by the stronger man, even hiding behind his brother and getting him killed and then hiding behind the walls for the rest of the film and sniping at Achilles to defeat him.
He can't fight war, but wants girl. Such a loser and shoots arrows from the back when someone is not fighting him. Such a shit guy....
makes you wonder if he really did incur the wrath of apollo
@@vinsanity40k No. No it doesn't. The Gods do not exist.
"HEEECTOOOOOOR!!!" 😮 Goosebumps EVERYTIME!!!
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO!! 💪😎💪
The over the Hector's shoulder camera shot, showing 15:18 Achilles standing there waiting is PERFECT! He's intimidating AF!!! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Great reaction you two!! Glad ya'll liked it! 😊
29:35 Aeneas is a cousin to Hector & Paris, and supposedly the ancestor of Remus & Romulus who founded Rome
Not "supposedly" at all. Just the plot of the Aeneid, a poem commissioned by Octavian to prove he had lineage from Aphrodite. It was political propaganda and never intended to be true even at the time it was written.
Sweet fact: Aeneas (the random kid who recieve from Paris the sword of Troy at the end of the movie) will eventually be one of the founders of Rome in the myths, so yeah, he become very important after the Troy war
The Illiad's actual story is far darker:
1 - Helen goes with Paris pretty much out of boredom and was merely using Paris for fun
2 - After the duel between Menalus and Paris, Helen chastises him as a weakling and a coward
3- Menalus survives the Torjan War and Helen asks for his forgiveness, which he grants and they sail home
4- The Trojan War actually went on for 10 years before they decided to build the horse as a way of getting inside the city
5 - Patriclus was Achilles' lover not his cousin
6 - Agamemnon sacrificed his young daughter to ask Poseidon to makes the seas calm so the ships could sail without issue.
7 - When Agamemnon returned home he was murdered by his wife and her lover
8 - Odysseus goes on his own great journey to reach home after the war ends (The Odyssey) and along the way he visits the underworld and meets the ghost of Achilles who tells him that he was wrong to have gone to war, that although the world will forever know his name it wasnt worth the price of fame.
Achara trying to defend Helen at the end and them fumbling along the way 😂
Paris was the real villain.
😂yeah he was worse than Agamemnon. A man who can’t control his lust that ruined his family and country
Yeah i hated him so much in this movie because of one girl hundred of people died
This is my undisputed 'Greatest Film Ever Made'.
In the original story Achilles only weak spot was his heel. That came from his mother dipping him in a spring of magical waters. The only place that was not touched was where she held him , his heel.That is here the term "Achilles heel" comes from & is still used today.
It’s amazing how easily this war could’ve been avoided
I recommend The Last of the Mohicans (1992) by Michael Mann, starring Daniel Day-Lewis and Madeleine Stowe.
Yes! Strong second this recommendation! Such a great film.
Awesome movie
I too hate the Grey-hair, and before I put him under the knife . . .
Who else won't watch a channel's split reaction to a single movie until all parts have been posted?
There should be a drinking game for every time Steph says "devastating".😊
Achilles took her out of the priesthood! 😂😂😂😂😂
Really Paris and Agamemnon are the dual villains of the story, while Hector and Achilles are the dual heroes, propping them up and fighting their battles for them.
As per Iliad the seige of Troy lasted for 10 years. This movie squeezes the entire thing and paints Achilles in a very positive light.
16:36 I am so glad you are watching the version with the original soundtrack. The Bluray version (director's cut) butchered the score during Hector vs Achiles duel.
Is it strange that in ancient india , there was a great battle Mahabharata, duryodhana was made immortal by his mother's powers but his thighs were his weakness. Like Achilles heel. Hindus also burn the dead. But what shocked me was when Achilles said we mourn for 12 days and no war untill then,,, exactly what we practice even today. We grieve for 12 days and 13th day is feast of mourning. So many parallel between greek and indian mythology, its crazy.
Yes we survived our ancient culture but Greeks and Egyptian didn't
Man, it’s so sad there was never an Odyssey sequel starring Sean Bean. I can only take comfort knowing it probably exists in a parallel universe lol
I remember from an interview Brad Pitt did that when he and Eric Bana were practicing for their fight … every time one of them messed/accidentally hit the other they had to make a donation to the charity of the others choosing lol.
And Brad Pitt was the one who gave all the charity😂😂😂😂😂
I studied literature in my undergrads. I watched this for my Greek Mythology paper. What a performance!
I love this movie! Really glad you girls enjoyed it too.
As an Australian I have been a fan of Eric Bana for a long time. Such an underrated actor but one of my faves. He’s pitch perfect in Troy. Hector is such an epic character. This is probably my favourite Brad Pitt movie. He’s so great as Achilles! Both of them are legendary in Troy.
I adore Rose Byrne as Briseis. I love the romance between her & Achilles. “You gave me peace in a lifetime of war” always hits me in the feels 😍
Peter O’Toole is one of the greatest actors to ever walk the earth. The scene between him & Brad Pitt is just so damn good.
I don’t care how historically accurate it is… I accept the movie for what it is.
What a cast!!!! What a story!!!! Fantastic film!!!!!
“You gave me peace. In a lifetime of war.” Devastating line. And the men finding him w the one arrow in his heel is where the legend is born.
to put things in perspective, the physics behind Achilles's performance with his shield wouldn't be written and understood until several hundred years later.
rotation of bodies, leverage, balance, momentum, etc, all physical principles that lead to advanced ballistics and siege weaponry... Achilles here was so skilled and dedicated to training, he unlocked the next research tree.
When Achilles cries over hector body he knew hector was a good decent man but war is ugly
One of the few roles where Sean Bean doesn't Sean Bean at the end.
When Paris turned into Legolas i said "now it's game over"😂😂
Hector v. Achilles, One of the BEST fight scenes in a film, still til this day! 👏🏾 😤. Great reaction ladies!
Now, watch Brad Pitt again in Fury & World War Z. It's totally worth it 👌.
Everyone's seen wwz
@@beeseees1662 yeah, but not Cinepals yet.
legends of the fall
Legends of the Fall and World War Z! Agree!
Meet Joe Black is underrated!
How bout The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.
Lord Stark and Jeor Mormont in the same movie
You would never think Lord Stark would stab Mormont in the back, but we have proof.
@@mmaheshwary I know right
The fight scene between Hector and Achilles is so freaking cool and it has some amazing choreography, a literal dance of warriors. The film does a good job at making you root for both of them, Hector is a great man and Achilles is a great warrior and they are easily the best written characters in the film, also yes this was young Odysseus, the battle of Troy was before his exploits with the Cyclops and such.
Further info: Apollo, the god of archery, guided Paris' arrows to strike down Achilles knowing his one weakness is his heel. Now you know why Eudoros tells Achilles "Apollo sees everything. Perhaps, it is not wise to offend him."
Let the record show that Briseis literally had Achilles under her blade and could’ve potentially ended the war and saved hectors life but instead chose the 🍆
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Woman's weakness
I remember that in the mythology book, Achilles rode his horse dragging hector's body multiple times circling troy
Great reaction -- both of you!
What an epic! Talking about what we now call, A Greek Tragedy -- wow! The acting was amazing, full of current and upcoming stars, and the story gets people interested in ancient history in a way few movies can or have ever done.
Thanks for sharing this -- so what's next?
the trojan war took about 10 years. and it didn't take 12 days after the death of Hector before the Horse. they made it look like the war took 15 days.
Wow 10 years thanks for the info
Main wars happened after 10 years
And that's why they're called "Greek tragedies". The ancient Greeks just LOVED these kinds of stories. AND SO DO WE!! 😎🇺🇸
To be fair to Helen, she had no choice, because Aphrodite cast a love spell over her, making her fall in love with Paris against her will. This movie took a lot of artistic license with the original source material. Helen and Menelaus were actually happily married. Helen inherited the throne of Sparta from her stepfather King Tyndareus and Menelaus became King of Sparta through marriage to Helen. If Helen hadn't been enchanted by Aphrodite she would not have run off with the very vain, shallow, cowardly Paris, who died during the war, while Menelaus took Helen home to Troy, and forgave her for running off with Paris..
The moment that always gets me is when Achilles realizes that his cousin is dead, you can just feel the hurt and see the pain on his face instantly! Superb acting by Brad Pitt! ❤❤
AHHHH I'm so glad y'all reacted to this movie. I love it SO MUCH! Has such pristine acting in it and one of my ALL TIME Favorite movie quotes. Love It! I didn't realize it had been 20 years since it had came out, but THANKFULLY, 20 years later, we have the PERFECT soundbite to play, in a moment that I've been thinking it For Years!!!! When Hector took off that helmet and realized it wasn't Achilles he killed, his facial expression said, "This is when he knew, he f***ed up. " 😂😂😂 He looked so defeated like...DAMN! And I'm so glad we had the Priam and Achilles scene in the movie. Even though I knew he was in Full Rage Mode when he killed Hector and desecrated his body, it took Priam to bring back out his humanity, and when all the adrenaline of the day was gone and Achilles wept over Hector's body, it was a great way to notate, "Ok. He's back. This is the Achilles we like." And the,"I'll see you soon, Brother," line to Hector...👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
The boy Aneas who Paris gave the sword to was an ancestor of Romulus and Remus the founders of Rome
the random guy was the forefather of romulus and remus, the founders of rome jeje
Achilles had 2 known sons, Pyrrhus and Oneiros. Pyrrhus, also known as Neoptolemus, entered into the Trojan War and is attributed to many deeds during that time. He went on to have a son, Molossus, and down the line a ways (after several generations) had a daughter, Olympia, who was the mother of Alexander the Great.
The random kid is Aeneas, whose descendants are Romulus and Remus, founders of Rome.
Briseis 2:44 3:17 3:36 4:12 4:27 4:40
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Hector vs Achilles16:30 17:21 18:30
Father visiting achilles 20:55 22:15
“U gave me peace in a lifetime of war”
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Achilles wasn't immortal originally and the heel is a very late tradition, not present in the Iliad or other epic poems. They played nicely with how the legends are made having him remove the lethal arrows but not the one from the heel
Menelaus was not a Spartan. He and his brother Agamemnon were natives of Mycenae and members of the Mycenaean royal family. Menelaus became king of Sparta after marrying Helen, who was the stepdaughter of King Tyndareus of Sparta. This movie depicted Menelaus and Agamemnon as villains, but in the myths, the brothers are usually presented as heroes. Agamemnon didn't force the Greek kings to come to Troy. They came because they had all sworn an oath to Tyndareus that if Helen was ever kidnapped, they would all come together to rescue her.
According to legend. The survivors of Troy eventually fled across the Agean sea, west of Troy and traveled to central Italy. There they settled on the banks of the River Tiber. A place they called Rome.
🙄 Yeah, kinda, but you skipped a few important details there champ.
@@Little-Larry777 shhhhhh......don't spoil the mystery.
Did you know that The One thing that both of you talked about :- "True Love" isn't actually True Love at all? Well, according to the Iliad, there was a celebration to which a Goddess wasn't invited. So she took a Golden Apple and threw it in front of Paris who was a Shepherd (some odd duties). Two Goddesses, Athena and Venus wanted that Golden Apple and reasoned, argued and bribed Paris. Finally Athena promised the Most Beautiful Woman in the World as the final prize to which Paris agreed. She asked cupid t fake love between Paris and Helen during the initial days of that Multi day meeting that we see in the movie. That's how they felt True Love when it was just Fabricated......
I guess they didn't want to show any Celestial involvement in the war, therefore they didn't.
The man Paris gave his sword to is Aeneas. Aeneas and Anchises (Father of Aeneas, carried by him to safety outside Troy) are considered to be the ancestors of Romulus ---- the founder of ROME ..
It was seven years of war between Greece and Troy. After their defeat, the Persia empire seek revenge against the Greeks, right after they took the Aegean Sea.
Agamenone does not die at Troy. Before the war started, he sacrificed his own daughter for a Fairwind to Troy. His wife waited 10 years till he came home and then had her lover kill him in his bath.