TROY (2004) DIRECTOR'S CUT MOVIE REACTION - WHO DO WE ROOT FOR!? - First Time Watching - Review
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- Welcome to our first-time watching as we react to Troy (2004). We had the pleasure to watch the director's cut since many of you suggested we watch this version instead. Troy is nothing short than a cinematic odyssey that tells us a version of the classic stories of the Trojan War.
Filled with legendary battles, and the timeless tale of love and war. Starring Brad Pitt as Achilles and directed by Wolfgang Petersen, "Troy" brings Homer's epic poem, "The Iliad," to life with breathtaking visuals and a star-studded cast.
Eric Bana as Hector has to be the standout in terms of performance. He did such a great job in this. Both him and Brad Pitt were able to convey the intricate character dynamics.
From the iconic duel between Achilles and Hector to the tragic love story of Paris and Helen this film has a lot to give and keeps it's audience immersed and engaged.
We hope that you enjoy our reactions, commentary and discussions as we delve into the film's themes, how it impacted the historical epics genre, its attention to detail, and the powerful performances that breathe life into ancient legends.
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Hi guys, please react to “Alexandr 2004” and “The Crow 1994”. This two are better than Troy
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@officialmediaknights .... I have 2 recommendations as Movie dude...My first Job was at Blockbuster ..I've seen them all lol. The Count of Monte Cristo and the Fifth Element
Paris is the real villain. No honor whatsoever.
yeah f!ck that guy, dude let his city burn so he can get laid
Obviously! All because of one woman he loves.
Orlando Bloom doesn’t even remember doing this film, he blocked it out of his mind because of how much he hated that character.
@@Mini_Hayley I heard that on IMDB!
That Hector and Achilles 1-1 fight choreography is one of the best I’ve ever seen in any movie. It’s stunning!
It would be better without all of the jump cuts.
🙄 Would be more forgiving without that, Stone involved.
@@bitterbites3859 the stone was a crucial plot point in the original text.
Yeah, the movie overall is really good, but that single fight is what I always remember from Troy.
upon re-watch I noticed half way through the fight Hector got really sweaty and tired. thats some good detail
i like Eric Bana very much, i think he is a very underrated actor.
My favorite Hulk !
He was the most effective actor in this terrible movie!
And handsome😉
Agreed. But as an Aussie I am probably biased because I grew up watching him start his career as a local comedian.
his romantic movies are nice
The person who receives the sword of Troy at the end is Eneas, who after escaping Troy moved to Lazio, Italy and is considered the father of the Roman people.
Not quit true, he had a group og people with him called the Aeneads who are considered the progenitors of Romans in thier myth. Aeneas then went to Carthage and married the queen Dido.
Also, a fun fact: The Aeneads became kings of Alba Longa in Italy.
One of them was a man named Numitor, whose younger brother Amulius overthrew him and killed his sons and had his daughter, Rhea Silvia, placed as a Vestal Virgin so that she would remain celebate and have no offspring to threaten his rule.
While a Vestal Virgin she was r*#ed by Mars, God of War. She then bore two sons, Romulus and Rhemus. Amulius orders the twins to be murdered but they were spared and set adrift on the Tiber River. They were eventually raised by a she-wolf and returned one day to overthrow Amulius and reinstate Numitor. They would then go on to found the city of Rome in 753 BC.
Now an interesting aspect: Rhea Silvia is also known as Ilia, which can be read as Julia. Which is why the Julii Caesars claimed to be descended from Mars through Romulus and Rhemus and while being Roman they celebrated the Latin Festival in Alba Longa.
Romulus and Remus?
The mythical twins brothers who supposedly founded Rome. Also, when the dispute over who would be king of Rome came up, Romulus (according to the stories) caved in Remus’ head with a shovel and took the kingship for himself.
@@lemuellopena1157 Romulus and Remus supposedly founded Rome, with the whole wolf thing - hence the AC Roma emblem. I'm talking about the ancestor of the people of Rome, a bit before that.
Brad Pitt was excellent, but man, Peter O' Toole. What a legend. What a performance. Glad he got the honorary oscar in the end.
You can see the difference in the performances between the Hollywood-style movie actors, and British classically-trained stage actors. The latter understand better how to portray larger-than-life characters.
He was drinking on set and acting like a total asshole behind the scenes. What an absolute dirtbag.
"Peter O'Toole is a double phallic name."
- Groucho Marx
Yep, eight Best Actor Oscar nominations all together and received that honorary Oscar at the age of 70. - Lawrence of Arabia is perhaps my favorite of his films.
If they want to see Peter O’Toole in a royal themed movie, they may be interested in the following:
The Lion in Winter
The Last Emperor
King Ralph
One of the very few movies where Sean Bean lives till the end... :P
He had to live. He's Odysseus. He's in the sequel.😀
yes, but next ten years will be rough for him
- but got lost on the way home! xD
It's always bugged me they didn't make The Odyssey. I really liked him as Odysseus.
@@agentsculder2451Sean Bean usually plays the villain, that’s why he always dies in movies
Back then people complained about the 'historical' inacuracies. These days if a movie was as good as this, it would be the movie of the decade.
I'd love to hear what exactly qualifies as a historical inaccuracy about a 7th century BC poem, using 7th century BC world and some supernatural elements sprinkled on top, to tell a story about a 500 year old war we still can't prove ever happened...
@@jovanjorgovan23 That's why I put the 'historical' in quotes.
@@Karl-me4mh What a wonderful decision that was
@@Ambander1 Huh, what do you mean - "you people"?!...We know the place existed, we've seen some traces of burned buildings at certain levels with no closer context, and academic census is still - we can't prove the war ever happened, let alone following any of the stories from the Epic Cycle, including but not limited to the Iliad itself. That is what 'knowing for a fact' would be, you know, like, dude, actually, yall...but I reckon they don't teach you that on History Channel or the abysmal education system in Ignorantville US...dude.
The Iliad and The Odyssey are the Bible of Greek behavior and thought. Even Alexandre the Great always carried a volume of The Iliad with him. These are not historical questions, but a whole way of thinking of the Greeks such as honor, homeland, family, prudence, wisdom, hospitality, self-control, resilience. Homer influenced great later artists for more than 2 thousand years.
This film received well-founded criticism from academics for its anachronisms and empty story.
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die.
Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." - Odysseus
The most infuriating thing was that Hector and Achilles were two sides of the same coin. They both have the same distain of the gods that everyone else worships, and they both have strong honor codes. If they had met under different circumstances, they would have been like ‘Bro let’s drink and tell battle stories’. And of Priam could have got to Achilles sooner, what a change to the war that would have been. Priam is exactly the king that Achilles wanted to fight for.
And just a fun note, I love Ancient Greek history so much that I have it in my will that I will have two coins placed on my eyes for the boat man.
That's so true!! It's actually heartbreaking how war has torn these men apart when, under normal circumstances, they likely would have been friends!
Also that is such an awesome thing to plan!!
Yeah, distain, while in the actual mythology his mother is literally a sea goddess.
Well-said sir. I noticed this after seeing it at the cinema. The potential greats met their demise, excluding maybe Odysseus. The tragedy of it all which stemmed from such a careless action.It's weird how Priam was able to have two completely polar opposite sons & further more to allow Paris to grow up so self-absorbed.
I'd agree they are quite similar, except for one thing, what they fought for. Hector fought to defend his country and family. Achilles fought for glory and renown. This can mostly be explained by Hector being the future ruler of Troy one day though. He was raised to be Troy personified essentially.
@@OfficialMediaKnights THIS IS THE MOST ACCURATE TELLING OF THE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT NEXT TO THE BIBLE
Achilles wasn't just a great fighter/ warrior, he was a Demi God , his mother was Thetis the sea nymph , Zeus, the king of the gods and Poseidon, god of the sea, had both fallen in love with Thetis and were rivals for her hand in marriage , gods were warned of a prophecy that Thetis would have a son who would grow up to be greater than his father. Worried by this, Zeus arranged for Thetis to marry a mortal man so that her child couldn't challenge his power , that's why Achilles despised the gods so much in the movie
This movie translates the myth into the appearance of realistic history.
and to make him invincible he was dipped but held by his ankle hence that part was vulnerable, hence Achilles heel
Damn you know your game. I used to love that Hercules tv show in the late 90's. :)
I think that little star just flew across that says "the more you know"
He's not a demi God in this version. This version is "realistic" none of that other stuff
Idk why but ive always loved the line that Achilles says “I’ll tell you a secret, something they dont teach you in your temple. The gods envy us, they envy us because we’re mortal. ‘Cause any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful, because we are doomed.”
Amazing. Troy best ever
The legend said that Achilles was invulnerable everywhere except his tendon. Because that was the spot his mother (a water nymph) had held him while she dipped him in the River Styx.
The movie plays into this myth: Achilles is never wounded and the only arrow he doesn't pull out is the one in his tendon. So when he is found it looks as if the other arrows didn't hurt him but that last one did.
"And then there was Achilles.. Now there was a guy who had it all, the build, the foot speed. He could jab. He could take a hit. He could keep on comin'. But that furshlugginer heel of his! He barely gets nicked there once and kaboom! He's history.." -Phil from Hercules
@@AnxiouslyGamingwhat was so stupid was that he didn’t hesitant to chop the head off of that statue, yet he said the it was too early to kill princes 🙄
Not in the Illiad though, where he has to wait for his mom to bring him a new set of armor crafted by Hephaestus (since Patroclus wore his armor when he died and Hector took it), before he can enter the battle. I felt like the line in the beginning was a nice nod to that, when Achilles says he wouldn't need the shield if he was invulnerable.
The only source that portrayed Achilles was invulnerable was the unfinished epic poem the Achilleid by Statius. No other source made any reference to any kind of invulnerability and the most well known source, Homer's the Iliad, directly contradicts this describing a bleeding wound inflicted on Achilles arm by a spear. Vase paintings generally portray Achilles death by an arrow or multiple arrows to the torso.
Achilles used to be invincible until he took an arrow in the knee 😀
Love Bana's portrayal and Brad's.
But Sean Bean's line when talking to Achilles and his cousin always stuck to me.
"You have your sword, I have my tricks... we play with the toys the gods give us."
Not the only great line, but I love that particular one.
Funny to know Patrocle IS not this cousin but this lover in fact 😁
@@valentindehon3108that's not for certain some believe that but it's never been confirmed
Particularly ironic considering Sean Bean is playing Odysseus, who the gods hadn’t even started toying with yet.
@@valentindehon3108there's nowhere in the Iliad that Patroclos and Achilleus were lovers
@@valentindehon3108, That is what uneducated people said. Read the Homer book.
"Women have a way of complicating things." Odysseus isn't just referring to Helen, or to Achilles and Briseis, when he says this, he's also referring to himself as well. When Agamemnon's messengers arrived to Odysseus's hometown of Ithaca, his wife Penelope had just given birth to their son, so he had to go to war with the knowledge that he would never get to watch his son grow up.
It would’ve been interesting to see a sequel or “spin off” of Odysseus’ journey home after this battle. In the same tone, without any gods being involved. With the same cast.
@@lilscenechick1995 I think it was an open option, back in the day. But it wasn't developed (apparently because the studio expected better figures and critiques, I don't recall very well the source).
“How do you write women so well?”
“I think of a man… and I take away reason and accountability”
- Melvin Udall played by Jack Nicholson
@@nsasupporter7557I mean, you only see things narrowly otherwise you would see this wasn't any of the women's fault. Why was Paris so stupid to steal a rulers wife, he had no reason, and took no accountability, just him hiding behind his brother and father. His the one that started this war, not Helen. 😕 Also, ppl who think like you are the dumbest ppl. Stay narrow and stupid. 🙄
They needed to hire Andrei Konchalovsky, who was the director of The Odyssye with Armand Assante, and adapt The Iliad appropriately.
The script is worthy of a trash film.
Ajax: I shall be immortalized for generations to come!
*Becomes a household de-greasing cleaning*
underrated❤
I mean... One of the greatest historical football teams in Europe, UEFA champion (long ago) isn't bad
Francis.
Ajax is stronger than grease (Greece).
26:56 Menelaus beating down Paris was one of the most satisfying moments I’ve ever seen in fiction tbh. Let’s not forget that he broke sacred hospitality and ran off with his wife when Menelaus welcomed them as friends.
This movie is so good that I don't even care about historical inaccuracies. The acting is top notch, the fight scenes are fantastic, the storyline is immersive. And it doesn't feel outdated.
Thank you for reacting to this masterpiece! I love your videos so much❤
It really is an immersive film! It's filled with some great acting and some awesome battle sequences. Yes, not the most historical accurate film out there but then again we are not even sure of what went down in real life. So this should be taken as another one of those stories soldiers tell themselves right before their own battles.
Eh historical inaccuracies don't even really apply since this is closer to fantasy then history.
well the most obvious inaccuracie is that the siege of troy took 10 years until the city was going down ^^
@@OfficialMediaKnights Real life ? None of these characters were real people but that is hardly an excuse to butcher one of the greatest literary works of all time.
@@herodotus945not sure about it, cuz the actual city that was destroyed and burnt down by Greeks was found in Turkey, and many scientists think it might be Troy. But for sure Homer lived much later and his story is not the best source.
You guys need to watch; Kingdom of Heaven (Directors cut) And or The Last Samurai. Both are Spectacular Epic's.
Also: Master and Commander. And my personal favorite, the Clive Owen helmed retelling of King Arthur.
I think so too! But: Kindom of Heaven has to be seen in the directors' cut version. It's a tragedy what they delivered with the theatrical release. Half of the important events in the movie were cut out. Absolute madness!
Oh definitely. I would add one more to that list: Alexander from 2004. It's great historical movie and definitely doesnt deserve the hate it got. Also the battle sequences are probably the best in cinema history.
Damn yes! Kingdom of Heaven is a must!!
Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut) would be awesome !
@@MastaToSch You are a thousand percent correct. They are the little snippets of understanding that add so much. Just knowing the priest and his wife's necklace were so closely connected, giving his death the context and reasoning for his murderous anger. And i love that.
Maybe an inconsequential element to many. But for me it was a mini Moses parting the sea moment of clarity. This and the other revelation's were giving me a whole other movie to enjoy.
No matter how many times I watch it, Achilles breaking down over Hector's body always makes me burst into tears as well. What a phenomenenal scene. What phenomenal dialog and performance with King Priam leading up to it. The complexity of all the characters... Just utter perfection!
He was a leader but in this portrayal he was a soldier’s soldier as well. It was interesting because he would cut down both Greeks and Trojans easily but apparently inwardly he empathized for all of them. Which is why in his vision they greet him as a brother. Great portrayal
I agree. Same with me, it makes me teary eyed (but not crying)
The look on his face right before the final strike to hector, he looked sad. A moment he cannot back down from no matter if he wanted to.
@@plops993 I always felt Achilles was beautifully portraited as a powerful, intelligent, pragmatic, yet passionate man-child (and I mean no insult at all in that!). He is very, very emotionally invested in the people closest to him, but does not apply his very righteous sentiments to his enemies, which is kind of a double-standart. King Priam got through to him with his words on that fundamental level after his extreme grieve. Because everything Achilles did (especially the bad), was because he cared so much about the people he loved, same as Hector did, as Priam did. It took the words of a very wise man to remind him of his heart. He did not hate Hector. He was just so very human at heart and the pain had overwhelmed him. There was no moral higher ground he could stand on. Him breaking down over Hector's body is a manifestation of that realisation for me. Because not once have we seen Achilles shaken in his believes before. In that sense he almost thought he was perfect (little bit like a spoiled child) but realized he did wrong.
@@awilliams3841I don't think he looked sad at all at that moment, which makes the most sense to me, given the situation. His grieve had overwhelmed him, and he only cared about only thing - revenge. It took Priams words, that he could let go of these feelings.
@@plops993 Achilles is is everything opposite of Hector. Achilles is a warrior, but he is not a soldier. Soldiers follow orders. He hates to follow orders yet he demands absolute obedience from his men... he doesn't even care about them, as we can see in the beach scene. Incredibly egoistic and narcissistic, there is nothing likable about him; he is nothing but a kiIIer with inflated ego, although a very good one.
Of course the movie desperately trying to redeem him (because Brad Pitt) but his sudden total love for some random girl makes not much sense, nor his sacrifice in the end.
"The face that launched a thousand ships", "Achilles Heel", "Trojan Horse". So many famous references from one epic story. I have been fascinated by Greek mythology for decades because of the interaction between gods and mortals. Yet this movie does such a good job of removing the supernatural elements from the old tales and making it a very human story.
And the infamous, "Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts".
This entire epic was 😮😮. Whats even better is Odysseus's 10 year journey back home to Ithica. It would have been so awesome had they made another film with Bean in the lead role. I really want an epic this size given to the Odyssey.
I had to laugh when they said something about "Sean Bean still being alive". I thought, of course he had to survive. He's Odysseus. He's the star of the sequel.
You could never do a realistic history version of the Odyssey though. I'd want to see a version of both these stories with the gods and monsters left in
58:15 The boy that Paris gives the sword of Troy to is Aeneas, who would escape and become the founder of Rome.
Well no not even remotely close. That’s legend and legend is his Descendents founded it, which is also not true .
@@LudusAurea en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeneas
Aeneas (in myth) founded the city of Lavinium. His son, Ascanius, would later found the city of Alba Longa. Romulus and Remus were descendants of Ascanius, about 15 generations later.
@ay The primary account for this is Virgil's Aeneid and in that story his is a progenitor of rome, not a founder. His descendants Romulus and Remus were the mythlogical founders of rome.
@@LudusAureaSherlock Holmes we are talking on he context of the story or you believe Aeneas is a legend but Achilles is true? All these people are fake maybe only the Kings existed
"Just...just wait a little..." The impertinence of Paris disrupting the moment of death, feeling and intimacy...I love your annoyance in the moment. You guys, your reactions really are bloody enjoyable. Thank you.
Hahaha thank you for understanding, like, we get it, this is your time to avenge your brother and all, but give them a sec, he's on his way out anyway 😂
Thank you so so much for your compliment, it honestly makes our day!! We appreciate you!
And Greek soldiers could come any moment and they'll see Achilles dying, and they're likely not gonna take to kindly to that. So there's that.
59:00 Sean Bean's character is Odysseus. Have you ever heard of a Greek book called "The Odyssey"? It follows the adventures of Odysseus after Troy.
Sean Bean is finally saved by ancient greek plot armor.
This is one of the more underrated sword and sandal films IMO. However, Paris frustrated the hell out of me. Starts a whole war, pretends to want to do the "noble" thing only to chicken out when the moment of truth came. What a coward and a weasel. Btw, if you like these sorts of epics, please consider reacting to Ridley Scott's KINGDOM OF HEAVEN Director's Cut sometime , also starring Orlando Bloom.
Hahaha seriously, we tried our best to be empathetic toward Paris but man, he just became more and more irritating 😂😂
Also yes, we have it on our list and will definitely be reacting to it! Thank you for your recommendation!
The war started not because of Helena and Paris, it would happen anyway, just a bit later. It's even shown in Agamemnon character in the movie.
@@OfficialMediaKnights Kingdom of Heaven would be awesome (director's cut ! theatrical is buchered)
Paris is canonically represented in the Iliad and other renditions as an abject coward and loser because, surprise! He's an abject coward and loser! Hector should have cleaved his head in two like the pathetic dumbass self absorbed douchebag he was.
Glad you guys reacted to this cut, the director itself said he enjoyed making this version more than the theatrical one, now he didn't have to worry about it being too sexy or too violent, he gave more development to the characters, and now the movie looks more like the first draft he made
It's always great to see the directors and rest of the team accomplish their true vision without the meddling of the studios!
I love everything about this version except the music score. I think James Horner’s score for the theatrical version is superior to the one used here (although some of it was left intact).
Fun fact:That giant prop trojan horse was given to Turkey as a present just because the original legend located in dardanelles(çanakkale). You can see the horse in the downtown of Çanakkale today.
I fell in love with Greek mythology when I first saw movie "the Odyssey", with Kirk Douglas, as a kid. The Odyssey is the story of Odysseus trying to get back home when the Trojan War was over.
There's a whole MCU like expanded universe to ancient Greek mythology. In many ways it reads like a complex soap opera. The fathers of the Greek heros at Troy were the men who traveled with Jason and Hercules in the search for the Golden Fleece. Helen was the most beautiful woman in the world, and all the Greek heros wanted her. It was decided that competitions would be held, and the winner would get Helen; while all the other men were sworn to uphold the decision.
The Trojans who escaped the destruction of Troy had their own adventures searching for a new home, and eventually settled in Italy to become the founders of Rome and the Roman people.
You should Watch the EU 1968
Odyssey with Irene Papas.as
Penelope. I am appalled at all
the comments this Hollywood
garbage does not even merit.
Not because of mithology but
the lack of knowledge of great
literature at the very core of western culture. Achilles was
dead and was not in the horse,
Agamemnon returned home and was murdered by his wife
etc. I also enjoyed the Douglas
Odyssey, but from Age 11/13
I studied Homer uncut in junior
high and noticed laughable
changes : Kirk and co. get the
Cyclop drunk with fresh grape
juice Just to show them stomp
and meets his son near Argo the dog (the real episode Is
High poetry and got my whole
class weeping). The flaws are
too many to mention.The TV
One with Assante omits the dog (aghh!). Since you got turned on to Homer with the
Kirk movie like I did you will
love the 68 one and Reading
Homer (poetry, not Xena, Who
I love,though). Hollywood idea
of accuracy Is summed up by
Lincoln vampire hunter and
Dillinger killed after his cronies
who in fact were still alive. I
am not picky, Just resent bull.
If you haven't read David Gemmells Troy series you defnitely should
@@ruggerobelloni4743 Do yourself a favor; get over any expectations that Hollywood might care about accuracy. At some point only a fool would expect such a thing from them.
@@ruggerobelloni4743 Someone is mad at Hollywood because of historical inaccuracies? That's a good one.
@@Jimbo-zn6oz No expectations
but the changes from Doyle to
the Gospel are so childish they
are worth shaming. One Holmes
version turned the future Mrs.
Watson into a murderer! We do
have Jeremy Brett in the British
series and can watch the 1968 Odissey. Oh, I forgot: we could
also read the books!
The story of Achilles getting shot though his ankle at the battle of Troy is how the Achilles heel got its name
A story made up by later authors, in the Epic Cycle he died when he got pierced in the chest by an arrow since he was still vulnerable everywhere.
@@herodotus945 Isn't his whole story that his mother dipped him in the river styx as a baby by holding him by the heel, making his body invulnerable everywhere except for the same heel he was dipped with, the only part of him to remain mortal?
@@osmaniesquijarosa4308 If he were invulnerable everywhere but his heel why would Achilles bother wearing an armour and using a shield ? In the Iliad he is not invulnerable, in fact he died when an arrow shot him in the chest. That story about his mother dipping him in the river Styx was made up by a Roman author named Statius 800 years after Homer. Like, why his mother didnt dipped him a second time to cover the heal too ?
@@herodotus945 double dipping is frowned upon.
@@kennyjames4679 🤣🤣🤣
I remember watching this movie a few years after it came out and even though I was a teenager, I learned so many life lessons from the film. The two scenes that have always stuck with me is the "gods envy us" and "you are still my enemy tonight". Here are some aspects of the myth that didn't get included in the movie:
1. The whole reason Paris was drawn to Helen is bc at the start of the myth the goddesses Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite approached him with a golden apple and asked him to present it to who he thought was the best of them. Each goddess offered a gift in exchange if he chose her. Hera offered Paris wealth and power. Athena offered to make him the strongest warrior on Earth, and Aphrodite offered him the most beautiful woman in the world. Obviously he chose Aphrodite, but he was so naive and selfish that he didn't consider that there would be a catch (such as her being married/the wife of a Greek ruler) or consequences. He just assumed it was a freebie situation.
2. The Gods/Goddesses each took a side in the war and when it came down to the Hector vs Achilles fight, the deities were so in awe of the mens' skill that they let the match go on longer than it would've. Finally they had to make the choice of who would die. So, they actually did play a huge part in pulling the strings throughout the war.
3. The reason Achille's was invincible was because his mother dipped him in the River Styx when he was a baby to make him functionally immortal. The way she did it, though, was that she held him by the heel and it was the only part of his body that was not submerged. As his only weak spot, piercing it was equivalent to a death blow because all of his mortality was concentrated in that spot. When Paris shot the arrow, he had no knowledge of this and was still a mediocre archer, so Apollo (the god Trojans worshipped) helped guide the arrow to the correct spot. So even by the end of the story Paris was still as naive and the pariah of the story.
From Homer's Illiad
"Looking darkly upon Hector, swift footed Achilles answered, 'I cannot forgive you. As there are no trustworthy oaths between men and lions, there can be no love between you and me. Before then to glut with his blood, Ares, the god who fights under the shield's guard. Now the time comes for you to be a spearman and a bold warrior. You will pay in a lump for all the sorrows of my companions you have killed in your spear's fury."
The actual Iliad story is a lot more dark and sad than this movie. When the Greeks get inside the walls of Troy, Hector’s wife and son are murdered
Troy is by far one of those overlooked action packed movies that you just don’t see anymore, great story telling and even better action.
Could you please react to The Grey & Dog Soldiers both are definitely worth watching if you want gritty, suspenseful action that’ll keep you engaged the entire film.
It’s funny how Orlando Bloom is in pretty much all movies like this… Kingdom of Heaven, Lord of the Rings trilogy, Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy
The behind the scenes of this movie was just epic.
The amount of care and love and attention to detail the director and production crew put into this movie is just cinema.
56:31 "And this, my friends, is how the TSA came to be..."
I nearly spit out my drink all over my computer with that! Having worked for the TSA from the beginning, YOU don't understand how funny that was! amazing quote, thank you for that!
This film was written by David Benioff, one of the creators and writers of Game of Thrones, he adapted the original story in a similar way he adapted A Song of Ice and Fire into Game of Thrones, supressing the more supernatural elements and focusing on a more human and grounded story, in the poem the gods are recurring characters that directly influence the story, here they're just not seen and the belief in them is ambiguous. I like that because just like in Game of Thrones it makes the story more palatable for audiences outside of the fantasy genre. Really nice reaction guys!
Removing the gods is one of the reasons why this movie sucks. I wanted to see Diomedes beat the shit out of Ares while Aphrodite runs away like a coward.
Ah so dumb and dumber fumbling the GOT ending is even worse
It was a good move overall, but I wonder if he did kept all those elements.....wouldv been more epic in my opinion
Removing the magical elements is why he messed up the ending of Game of Thrones.
Also Sean Bean's portrayal of Odysseus was excellent, and then one of the Trojan that escapes is Aeneas who fled all the way across the ocean to Italy to found Rome so in a roundabout way, Greece gets eventually punished (Army destroyed and Country conquered) by the Trojans via Rome.
Would definitely have been pretty awesome if they had done a version of the Odyssee with him reprising the role of Odysseus.
Of course, the difficulty would have been that this version of the Ilias was deliberately de-mythologized, so to speak, which I'm totes okay with.
It's far more difficult, rather impossible, to de-mythologize the Odyssee.
Well, it's a moot point of course.
One thing I find amazing about this film is that Sean Bean doesn’t die in a film that was built for the possibility of any character to die.
Lolll actually though, it was all downhill after this 😂
They gave us Sean Bean and then subverted expectations! 😂
If you red Illiad youd've known Odysseus doesnt die
@@juansanchezvilla-lobosrami5404 I did know that, but Hollywood always changes things.
Sean Bean had to live. He's Odysseus. He's in the sequel.
The choice on Achilles fighting style in this movie is pretty incredible. It looks so smooth and unorthodox with the way he swing the spear and the movement of his sword
What's really cool is that Apollo is the god of music and archery. And Achilles, after the destruction of Apollos temple, and then he gets killed by Apollos' weapon of choice.
This movie is Sick as hell, sadly we don't see movies like This anymore, Glad you Guys did The reaction thanks for This!! Great Channel too!
thank the woke mob
Holy Cow... The Reaction we wanted to see, Media Knights never disappoint .. GG WP . May your channel be blessed with millions of more subscribers :)
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FANTASTIC MOVIE!! 💪😎💪
Pitt has one of the BEST burns in movie history! "... and that is why no one will remember your name." 😁😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
💘💘 Diane Kruger! 💗💗💗🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
One of my favorite movies of all time. It never ceases to amaze me. The scale, score, battles, characters,and etc were all handled expertly. A true epic. I didnt think i could like this movie anymore till I was this version and was blown away again.
I dont think I ever rooted for anyone I got everyone except Agamemnon and Paris. of course lol. They were just not it lol. I was heart broken for Hector like his death was such a gut punch for me.
Lol facts, Agamemnon, Paris and Menelaus were definitely not it!
Hector was such an honorable man, it just hurt to see him go out that way, especially considering how amazing of a fight he put up against Achilles! This movie was honestly such a joy to watch!!
@@OfficialMediaKnights So glad you both enjoyed it ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Achilles is one of my favorite heroes. Nearly as high as Hercules, but a true talent that wasn't wasted in welfare. Even today, Achilles's name is remembered and not forgotten. He fought in war and has slain many men before Hector. Paris is an idiot, and Hector is a noble warrior, but Achilles is the champion of champions 🏆 🥇 🏅 👏 💪.
Petersen also directed two movies from my Childhood: _The Neverending Story_ and _Enemy Mine._ Both are awesome and worth checking out. He would later on helm _In the line of Fire, Outbreak, Air Force One_ and _The Perfect Storm_ in a row. All highly regarded. Sadly, he passed away in 2022.
Adding these to our list! Thank you for the suggestions 😄
@@OfficialMediaKnightsif you wanna watch more “historical movies” or “fantasy action” movies, watch Kingdom of Heaven, King Arthur, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean
RIP to Wolfgang Petersen and Peter O’Toole
Yes, these are all great movies. But his masterpiece and the film he is probably most famous for is his german film Das Boot, which also was nominated for 6 Oscars.
As a German, I'm very proud of his Hollywood Blockbuster career. Probably similar how the Dutch feel about Paul Verhoeven.
The Choreography in this film is top notch
Yesss, especially that fight with Hector and Achilles was just chef's kiss!
@@OfficialMediaKnights that was probably the most challenging one on one match Achilles ever had. 💯
If you liked "Troy", I highly recommend "Kingdom of Heaven"! It stars Orlando Bloom as well, and also Liam Neeson, Eva Green and Jeremy Irons. Though make sure you watch the director's cut, since it adds so much more to the movie!
The movie condenses everything down quite a bit, since the Greeks actually laid siege for something like 10 years before they finally destroyed Troy. But I think they did an excellent job of getting the major points across. "That's why no one will remember your name." Just one of many memorable lines in this excellent movie :) I was in High School from '01-'04. During my senior year, my English teacher had us watch this in class across several days. I immediately developed a crush on Diane Kruger ;)
Speaking of long, epic movies that feature Orlando Bloom, you two NEED to watch the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven. Another excellent history-based film :)
In most battles back then the majority of casualties are done durning the rout of the defeated army so I really liked that it was portrayed a bit in one of the battle scenes.
The back to back "Holy shit!" moments were a perfect reaction. You guys edit your videos incredibly well.
Thank you so much for this compliment, it's so kind of you!! So glad you enjoy our edits 😊
Came back afterward to inform you that Troy is absolutely a real place. Archeologists found it a while back, digging up something of King Priam's in modern-day Turkey. (I think there might even be a virtual tour, but there is not much to look at.) As best I remember there was evidence that Agamemnon kept his word and tore the city down brick by brick and salted the earth. These both preserved the area, because people didn't build over it as the land was bad for crops, but also hid it away because there were no longer any easily visible markers, such as walls, buildings, or monuments.
Also, there is a lot of evidence that suggests the 7 years of the Trojan War was basically WW2 of ancient Greece. We still see WW2 often in our media, Masters of the Air just released, almost 100 years after the war. In the same way, we still talk about, study, and make stories about WW2... this is how the Iliad likely came about. The true accuracy of the epic is questionable but it was preserved as a multipart epic play and later a written book telling the tale of the greatest war of the era. The Iliad could be compared to as Band of Brothers for the time. (And I personally think that the Odyssey is a possible fan fiction of the original play, but who am I to have such an opinion.)
You can also consider that some of the larger communities of the time might not even be seen as cities today. This war is said to have had 1,000 Greek ships, each carrying 50 men, from around 40-60+ city-states, for a total of 50k warriors. But these men would have had a supply line of ships delivering food and other supplies as well as taking back plunder and slaves to fund the war. It was an insanely big war for the period and the logistics alone would have been considered an incredible feat. And have cost a fortune.
Also going to note that the Iliad was recorded around 800b.c.e (bc) or 2,800-ish years ago; but the story may have been 300+ years older than that and the actual events 100+ years older than the story.
(This info is all off my memory from when I studied history back in 2010-2012. It may be out of date.) Sry, for my rambling.
31:10 Do you know the name of that hero? Ajax.
Yes, like the dish soap.
Because it was written in the Iliad by Homer that Ajax was stronger than greece.
And the dish soap manufacturer used that as: "Ajax, stronger than grease."
59:02 Sean Bean is Odysseus/Ulysses of course he is alive. The famous 10 year voyage home (the odyssee) started from Troy!
Would have been cool to see a movie of the Odyssey with Sean Bean as a sequel. I thought he had the perfect look when I think of that hero/king.
@@AhdokoboI also would have liked to see that. But i understand why the makers of TROY, didn´t want to make the Odyssee:
The movie TROY lacks all mythological supernatural elements of the Iliad. And i don´t see how the ODYSSEE could work if you delete all mytholical supernatural elements (Okay, granted "O Brother Where are Though" did it pretty well, but that is a completely other kind of movie).
@@andrejarosch5524 yeah, unless it was done retroactively, then again, Troy did show Achilles mom who was a minor goddess, or nymph and why he knows so much about them when talking to Briseis. They could do it, like saying Ares was aiding one side while Athena was aiding the other, that Apollo helped guide Paris’s arrows to kill him for the temple mess. It could be done, without messing up Troy’s story and maybe casting it in another light, like showing the gods pettiness, considering how that war started in the myth. It would be reinforced in the Odysee, with crap he went through for ten years returning home. It would have been interesting to see how they could do it. Though, they could old school, or use 300 style, where the story is being told from another person describing monsters and stuff during the journey. Or, Odysseus’s story is used like I said earlier, but shows the more fantastical side of the world during that time,
A time where mystery was at all time high and allowed our thoughts to conjure up fantastic things. A creative director could do it either way, holding with Troy’s more grounded storytelling, or add in some things like Cyclops and Sirens. It could open up a world lush for other stories of that era. Jason and the Argonauts, which is basically the Avengers of Greece. Heracles, who was part of the Argonauts, Perseus slaying the gorgon Medusa only to realize the truth of her curse after killing her, or Theseus and Ariadne’s red string against the Minotaur and so many others. Sadly, we’ll likely never get good adaptations of the classics.
Such a great epic action adventure film from the late Wolfgang Petersen and an amazing musical by the late James Horner.
There were some issues behind the scenes that involved a hurricane or tropical storm destroying the set, and some of the actors and crew threatened to go on strike if they weren't paid enough for the job.
Whoaaa we had no idea about the last part!! Thank you so much for sharing!
Also my goodness, James Horner always struck gold with his score - what a talent he was!
Also airplanes kept flying into shots lol
What? This version got replaced with a lousy soundtrack... The original theatrical version had a MUCH BETTER soundtrack.
For centuries, it was thought the Battle at Troy (And the city itself), was only myth. A dedicated Archaeologist believed the story/tale, and after some years, finally unearthed the burnt remains of it. Absolutely LOVED the choreography, though they cut the life/story of Achilles short, it was still a pretty honest interpretation of his legendary life and death. Wonderful 'Reaction' yet again! :-D
It is rumored that Aeneas (the boy who was given the sword by Paris) led the refugees to Italy where they founded Rome.
The director’s cut is soooo much better than the theatrical. It’s almost like a different movie! Glad you both enjoyed this! One of my favorites from 2004. Brad Pitt and Eric Bana are amazing in it ^^
The German Movie „Das Boot“ is another masterpiece of Director Wolfgang Petersen which you should watch and enjoy as well.
I've been watching you guys for a while. As a filmmaker myself I love your love for movies and understanding of how scenes are made. Well done!
The boy you see Paris handing the sword of Troy to is Aeneas, the mythological ancestor of the future Romans.
when i watched that movie with my family, my 2 brothers aways pointed out that Hector, diferent from achiles, fought every battle thus far in their duel, so one could assume he was not 100%. They until today cant get over his death
Also, I love the WAY you two watch movies.l and how you react to the emotional scenes.
There is nothing disingenuous.
So I'll keep watching.
Thank you guys.
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One of the most heartbreaking things about Hector is one of his titles was ‘Breaker of Horses’. The practice of breaking horses, making them able to be ridden, is a peace time pursuit, one that nobody has the time for during war. The last line mentioning Hector in the Iliad is ‘And so they buried Hector, breaker of horses.’ He was remembered for his peace time efforts as much as his prowess as a warrior.
A fascinating book that should live on every shelf next to the Iliad is Memorial: An Excavation of the Iliad by Alice Oswald, which strips away the story of the Iliad and lists every death found from cover to cover, their description and name, bringing to the forefront how massive a loss the battles were.
It’s a constant theme throughout the story but Priam put it best ‘How many cousins have you killed?’ because each man killed in battle truly could have been their killer’s cousin, or brother, each man as ordinary and extraordinary as the other, both survivor and killer. That’s the tragedy of war.
I studied this poem at school, and it was amazing to get the scale of things by watching this movie later on. My name is Hector so, not hard to imagine who I was rooting for.
Great insights guys, loved your reaction.
Thanks for sharing.
Great cast and Great fuckin movie, One of my favorite movies ever, everything was done so greatly. Not Only Eric bana and And Brad Pitt But everyone Else did a Fantastic job in This period.
You guys are just so fun to watch with. Love the quality of your reactions, and always love your thoughts on things- whether it be deep conversations or humorous comments ⭐️
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Fun fact, petroclus wasn't achilles' cousin in the original myth, he was Achilles' lover. They just changed it for the movie because Hollywood thought you couldn't be both bisexual and badass.
Also, the word they used in the original ancient greek to describe Achilles' anger when he discovered Petroclus was dead was a word that was traditionally only ever used to describe the wrath of the gods, which I think is such an amazing detail that is unfortunately lost in translation
They completely misrepresented Menelaus: he was a honorable man, he loved his wife (and she loved him), and he survived the war, went home with his wife...
Theatrical cut is better purely because of the minimal score during the Hector v Achilles fight. Why they chose to re-score it with Eflman's Planet of the Apes score is beyond me.
I guess you win some and you lose some, which seems to be a common thread with these different cuts. We actually checked out that scene alone on YT and found the score for the theatrical cut stunning!!
Agreed.
Definitely. The original music where Achilles storms the temple is the only music for that scene. This took the epicness out of it.
I was just gunna mention the same thing,the directors cut is bobbins due to the soundtrack
You should put 13th warrior with Antonio Banderas on your list. One of my favourite films.
I remember that one. It was pretty good. I read the book it was based on too. The movie did a decent adaptation but it left some stuff out. I can’t remember if I would recommend the film or rewatch it but I think I enjoyed it as a one off one time watch.
As someone who reads the Iliad every year, I love this film. Brad Piutt and Eric Bana are so good and their fight gets me almost as much as it does in Homer.
right? the little shits belittling this marvel have never even see a kids book on the greek myths. just typical
Fun fact: Brad Pitt himself didn’t like his performance as Achilles… he said he thought he underperformed
Achilles was demigod according to mythology and his power to fight, block and dodge arrows were taken when Paris hit the mark or the weak spot. I thought it was a good adaptation of the mythology. Good show, Media Knights. Keep up with the great work 👏 👍 💪 🙌 👌 😀
I said it once and i will say it again Paris is low key the villain of this story and tbh what he did is crazy af and the fact that he got to live makes me mad lol.
I will always hate characters that are like “omg i’m gonna endanger and possibly be responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people because… I love you pookie bear 🥺👉👈” like bro, oh and then he’s also too scared to be killed in the duel istg i’ve always hated his whimpy ass lmao
Y'all just cruising through the absolute classics rn, I'm loving it! It's a weird movie with some issues, but insane choreography - IMMORTALS. Young Henry Cavil, I really like it, think yous two will too!!
Yesss, we've been having a blast!! Absolutely game for that, we'll add it to our list!! Thanks for the recommendation!
My inside joke is that because Odysseyus, aka Sean bean HAD to make it to the end, they had to sacrifice Ajax, Menalaus and Agamemnon, three characters who made it to the end of the war in the myth, to the movie gods.
Oh man, DAS BOOT! 🤩 Absolutely watch the original with subtitels, please! And don't bother with the almost 4hr Directors cut, unless you absolutely want to! The theatrical release is plenty awesome enough. It didn't garner it's fans from it for no reason! ❤
One of my favorite movies of all time. I love it so much. Watched it million times and never gets boring 😎
Love the acting so much 😍
I'm glad you guys finally watched it 🙂
This was such a joy to watch honestly, so definitely understand this being one of your favorites!! The acting really was incredible!!
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@@OfficialMediaKnights I love greek mythology movies so much. You should watch other movies too about greek mythology, they're very fun 😉
Is there no one else? What a first scene. A true Epic well told.
Ahhh what an iconic moment!! The silence that happens afterwards was haunting!
1:08:55 My shared opinion on this. While I really want to agree for leaders to go 1v1 with each other. But if we’re talking Generals or other higher ranked officers below a General. It’s more or less the same.
“In classical Western history, Hannibal was the last commander to do so. A big problem is that doing that risks losing your commander, which then tends to end the battle (if not the entire war) in defeat. See the Norman Conquest - when Harold was killed at Hastings, their success was all but guaranteed. Even at the tactical level, I was trained (by US Marines who taught “military” disciplines to sailors) that a LEADER should NOT be fighting: a leader should be observing, thinking and giving orders. In a large battle, often things are very confusing. Against a well organized peer enemy with enough forces to put up a good fight, often the best a general can do is either decide when (and perhaps where) to commit his reserves, or when to give up the fight and retreat to preserve his forces from being routed. Contrary to a lot of assumptions about modern warfare, skilled Western troops ARE taught to retreat, it is not entirely about dishing it out in a one sided contest. We have had an easy time for a long time in high tech warfare - but it is unclear we can dominate it against a peer. [A DoD review finds we may well lose against a peer opponent] I remember suspending air operations because we lost every tactical action we engaged in. I participated in a naval battle you never heard of directly which was a strategic defeat: you DID hear about the Army “incursion into Cambodia” to block enemy supply lines - but no one told you it was because the Navy FAILED to cut those lines by sea. We suffered another STRATEGIC naval defeat at the hands of Iraq in the “first” Gulf War - to its mine warfare campaign. [Saddam executed every service chief except the Navy one - since he had done his job successfully, preventing the Marines from coming in along the coast] A famous consultant and simulations expert thinks 1945 vintage Japanese propeller plans could deliver ordnance against our ships today. I - a Navy air defense specialist - think he might be right. Things can go very wrong - and the boss of a fight needs to be somewhere he can get good information and figure out what it means as soon as possible. The idea of the boss going in with the troops is close to idiotic - too counterproductive to contemplate seriously.” - Former Marine
I love watching reactions because I get to see a different perspective on movies. I have watched this many times but you guys gave me a whole new level to appreciate this.
you guys NEED to watch Starship Troopers ASAP!
Yeah
So this movie has alot of historical inaccuracies so much so that the History consultant of this movie told the director I believe to leave their name out of the credits because everyone in the academic history field will have their head so to speak. Fun Fact in real life that kid that Orlando Bloom gave the sword to is Aeneas Priam who lead them to safety would unknowingly gave them a land thay can grow an empire such as (Drumroll)🥁ROME. But that does not mean he's the founder that belongs to the man the title is named after, Romulus. Romulus=Rome. History become convoluted and meshed after so much time has passed that it gets hard to tell what's the truth. Patroclus and Achilles were not cousins, they were lovers but being 2000's the movie changed it to cousins, in my opinion is dumb if they changed that nothing about the movie would have changed, if anything the audience would have been on Achilles side a bit more, but who knows how it could've been. Now Greeks loved to put everything that couldn't been explained on spirituality or the God's in the instance. Greeks needed to explain how Achilles got so good to being the one of the best warriors so according to their stories Achilles mother was like a seer and she new their will be a great wars to come so she prayed to the God, she attempts to make the baby Achilles immortal, by dipping him in the River Styx (the river that runs through the underworld), while holding him by his heel. The one part of his body left untouched by the waters becomes his only point of weakness, hence the phrase 'Achilles heel'.I'm sorry Im a bit of history buff I just find it fascinating.
Bro wrote a essay like anyone gonna care
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First - the part about the history consultant not wanting to be named is disturbing and hilarious all at the same time 😂
Secondly - Patroclus and Achilles were lovers?! That's such an odd thing to change - but it may have also been due to the climate at the time in regards to homosexuality - it was certainly harder back then, I can still remember the huge stir Brokeback Mountain faced!
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I read somewhere that they aren't 100 percent sure they were lovers. Was just speculation 🤷
I’m confused by this: “If anything the audience would have been on Achilles’ side a bit more”. When this film was out, literally everyone I knew (coworkers, family, friends, random people on the internet) was 110% on Achilles’ side no matter what he did. I was the lone weirdo whose fave was Hector.
I’ve been playing the game Hades so I was aware of the Achilles/Patroclus relationship. It’s a pretty good game and if it’s not taking creative liberties for entertainment it’s being historically accurate or making references to conflicting stories about Greek mythology. I haven’t seen Troy in almost 20 years so I’ve been wondering what I would think now. Also hey that laughing guy at the 2 minute mark is a meme, isn’t he?
The young man who Paris gives the sword is Eneas, who legend says is an ancestor of Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome.
Helena of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships.
I watch other reactors other than you.. but I don't think I've ever seen more 'human' reactors than you guys, your empathy and humanity shine through in every video, its admirable.. 'good people' as they say
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The film is one of my favorites. Still, there's something that kept me scratching my head every time I looked at this masterpiece: Agamemnon has a gigantic army - for the time. Fifty thousand infantry. He lands on the coast of Troy, overcomes the defenses there and sets up a base that can be supplied by water. So far so good. But the real destination is the city of Troy. This city is heavily fortified with massive walls and reinforced gates. The massive walls are manned by archers who are considered the best of their time. What exactly was the strategy here?! Fifty thousand men storm the city, without towers, without battering rams and not even ladders. Even if they had destroyed the Trojan forces at the gates and reached the walls, what then?! They would have had no way of overcoming the walls or breaking through the gates. Within minutes, this formidable force would have been cut down by a hail of arrows. Come on people! I expect a little more tactical thinking from a general who has already united several other Greek tribes!
It’s called a siege. Now that doesn’t make for good cinema cause those take months to years to work, depending on how much surplus of food they have. You also have limited number of arrows and such. Not every arrow will hit and they do have large shields that cover all vital organs so it wouldn’t be hard to waste their supply. Now much of Troy is legend and myth, much like Atlantis. That is there is evidence where it may be but impossible to be certain. So who knows what terrain and such they had to actually work with and if the army really did or did not bring things like ladders. Not to mention they could just build them like the horse. The gate was also wood so fire could weaken it enough to be battered down. (Would obviously take some time but it’s better then nothing)
This movies, as well as Legends of the Fall, are my two favorite Brad Pitt movies! Surprisingly, he said that he didn't like this role very much, but I think he's phenomenal in this! ❤❤❤
A lot of good picks lately from you two. It didn't trip my trigger when suggested. My stepfather and I were on a job and got hung up in a blizzard speaking current events (I'm in the desert scraping ice of my gravel today looking over at the nice weather in Wisconsin?). He insisted and being familiar with the mythology even I was inclined to think this would be some macho nonsense. But instead it is very deep and well done. They really went the distance to actually relay the deeper meaning and life lessons of the story. Having such a great ensemble helped that of course.
If I recall, Troy was dumped on when it came out for the acting but compared to movies today it now looks oscar worthy. Its always been a good movie but time has been kind to it it seems.
I hate the stupid generic music then put in the Director's cut during Achille and Hector fight. Franckly just rewatch the fight in the theatrical cut. It really fit better the tension.
It's a shame they felt the need to modify the music that much. We watched the score that was placed in the original and it is quite the loss. But the director's cut also has some really good moments with the characters that gives them a bit more nuance. So I guess you win some you lose some.
@@OfficialMediaKnights "I guess you win some you lose some". Yeah ... maybe like in the story. Appropiate in a sense.
It is one of the few DC i don't like either as you mention this generic action musicin place of this rythmic drum is very less interessting. But I've also never been a fan of the violence in this DC . I mean for the battle ok, but all the part wrecking if troy wher lauch baby and rape women .... hmmm. i also find that the DC ad more to the believr apspect of Priam that make him a bit stupid sometime. Even if it also quite enjoyable to see that damm priest being through away !
Also the beginning scene where the camera follow the dog, it greaton technical aspect but dosn't really add to the story.
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This is one of my favorite movies of all time. Up there with V for Vendetta and Fight Club!
I agree. I hope they have the time to bring their brilliant show for those films.They both make movies fun. When you already seen these films they make you remember how fun it was to see them.I'm so proud of them.👍🏽🥋
Although filled with historic inaccuracies, it's still great and exciting epic with great cast and brilliant battle scenes. Watching it in cinema with my dad is one of the great memories of my teenage years. P.S. Speaking of great epics, I still recommend putting on your list the director's cut of Kingdom Of Heaven by Sir Ridley Scott. Probably the best film about Crusades I've seen so far with epic battle scenes, well written thought provoking screenplay and great cast(Orlando Bloom, Eva Green, Jeremy Irons, Brendan Gleeson, Liam Neeson and Edward Norton)
Absolutely agree! Not historically accurate but a very entertaining film with some great acting! Kingdom Of Heaven is on our list and we'll definitely be covering it soon!
@@OfficialMediaKnights nice to know, looking forward to it
To be fair I don't think the original story isn't very historically accurate either. Right? 😂
It's a great story, both the Iliad with all the funny gods and this one without gods.
I would disagree that it is filled with historical inaccuracies. This is based on a poem of a myth after all, with poetic license taken. It's like saying 300 had historical inaccuracies even though it is based on a comic book. There is no "historical accuracy" from the Illiad, unless you actually believe that Achilles was ten feet tall and completely impervious to all weapons? It's true to the myths. Most of the movies hollywood makes about these kinds of things are based entirely on myth and legend and so very little on history, beyond the names of people or places. Briseis didn't kill Agamemnon for example. He was killed after he returned safely from the Trojan Wars. This is very much an alternate timeline of both the myth and the potential history of the events but the only records we have of the events are from oral tradition.
@@nightshade7240 by "historic inaccuracies" I actually meant how different it is from Iliad and how it changed things in comparison with original myths about Trojan war. Of course, I realize that Homer's interpretation is not actual history. Just the fact that it's most common interpretation and the movie differs from it
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It's so refreshing to not hear "like" every three words, and some interesting opinions instead of "brooo look at that shot yo".
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Achilles was such a bad ass. My favorite warrior character in literature. Even the opening lines of the Iliad tells he was such a bad ass.
The wrath sing, goddess, of Peleus' son, Achilles, that destructive wrath which brought countless woes upon the Achaeans, and sent forth to Hades many valiant souls of heroes, and made them themselves spoil for dogs and every bird; thus the plan of Zeus came to fulfillment
the one and only movie you can forgive the inaccuracies regarding the legends. and it's also thanks to the actors. they did a great job.
I've had a great love with the stories of Greek mythology since I was a kid. When I first saw this movie, I was shocked when Menelaus dies. He's one of the few Greek heros who survives the war, takes Helen with him, and goes back home. I really like this movie, but the first time I saw it I was like "What the hell!!!" I've gotten over it since then.😀
@@dongilleo9743 same! Achilles was never in the horse, Agamemmnon made it home (and was killed by his wife), Menelaos had a lovely life with Helena afterwards, Paris died etc... Also the 10 years span completely ignored... I hated this movie when I first saw it, but I came to like it especially because of Hectors portrayal.
No, Braveheart sits in that camp as well
N i never saw diomedes in this movie
If you guys enjoy epic films like this, I cannot recommend Kingdom of Heaven (Director's Cut) enough if you haven't already seen it. I didn't see it in y'all's videos page here, so I wanted to suggest it. The original film is good, but like this film, the director's cut adds an incredible amount of depth that the theatrical version was lacking.
And I love watching you guys react to movies. It makes me appreciate films I've already seen like I'm re-watching them again for the first time. Looking forward to more content!
I have never commented on a video in my life but I have watched every reaction to Troy on UA-cam and this is the absolute best I have seen you guys reacted to even the smallest details that most people miss or skip out on keep up the good work!
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I love this movie so much. Especially glad you guys got to see the directors cut first. Great understanding of everything thematically as it occurred as well. Underrated masterpiece
This is my favorite movie of all time. Its so well done in terms of Acting, soundtrack, immersion, dialogue, costume, scenery. I could go on for days. It's just like in the movie Titanic where you know the ship is going to sink, but you still wish hopelessly that they don't hit the iceberg. Here you know the city is going to be sacked, but you can help but hope it wont be. Honestly it just a beautiful film that takes you on an amazing journey into the past.