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You can see the difference in the performances between the Hollywood-style movie actors, and British classically-trained stage actors. The latter understand better how to portray larger-than-life characters.
The most infuriating thing was that Hector and Achilles were two sides of the same coin. They both have the same distain of the gods that everyone else worships, and they both have strong honor codes. If they had met under different circumstances, they would have been like ‘Bro let’s drink and tell battle stories’. And of Priam could have got to Achilles sooner, what a change to the war that would have been. Priam is exactly the king that Achilles wanted to fight for. And just a fun note, I love Ancient Greek history so much that I have it in my will that I will have two coins placed on my eyes for the boat man.
That's so true!! It's actually heartbreaking how war has torn these men apart when, under normal circumstances, they likely would have been friends! Also that is such an awesome thing to plan!!
Well-said sir. I noticed this after seeing it at the cinema. The potential greats met their demise, excluding maybe Odysseus. The tragedy of it all which stemmed from such a careless action.It's weird how Priam was able to have two completely polar opposite sons & further more to allow Paris to grow up so self-absorbed.
I'd agree they are quite similar, except for one thing, what they fought for. Hector fought to defend his country and family. Achilles fought for glory and renown. This can mostly be explained by Hector being the future ruler of Troy one day though. He was raised to be Troy personified essentially.
No matter how many times I watch it, Achilles breaking down over Hector's body always makes me burst into tears as well. What a phenomenenal scene. What phenomenal dialog and performance with King Priam leading up to it. The complexity of all the characters... Just utter perfection!
He was a leader but in this portrayal he was a soldier’s soldier as well. It was interesting because he would cut down both Greeks and Trojans easily but apparently inwardly he empathized for all of them. Which is why in his vision they greet him as a brother. Great portrayal
I agree. Same with me, it makes me teary eyed (but not crying) The look on his face right before the final strike to hector, he looked sad. A moment he cannot back down from no matter if he wanted to.
@@plops993 I always felt Achilles was beautifully portraited as a powerful, intelligent, pragmatic, yet passionate man-child (and I mean no insult at all in that!). He is very, very emotionally invested in the people closest to him, but does not apply his very righteous sentiments to his enemies, which is kind of a double-standart. King Priam got through to him with his words on that fundamental level after his extreme grieve. Because everything Achilles did (especially the bad), was because he cared so much about the people he loved, same as Hector did, as Priam did. It took the words of a very wise man to remind him of his heart. He did not hate Hector. He was just so very human at heart and the pain had overwhelmed him. There was no moral higher ground he could stand on. Him breaking down over Hector's body is a manifestation of that realisation for me. Because not once have we seen Achilles shaken in his believes before. In that sense he almost thought he was perfect (little bit like a spoiled child) but realized he did wrong.
@@awilliams3841I don't think he looked sad at all at that moment, which makes the most sense to me, given the situation. His grieve had overwhelmed him, and he only cared about only thing - revenge. It took Priams words, that he could let go of these feelings.
@@plops993 Achilles is is everything opposite of Hector. Achilles is a warrior, but he is not a soldier. Soldiers follow orders. He hates to follow orders yet he demands absolute obedience from his men... he doesn't even care about them, as we can see in the beach scene. Incredibly egoistic and narcissistic, there is nothing likable about him; he is nothing but a kiIIer with inflated ego, although a very good one. Of course the movie desperately trying to redeem him (because Brad Pitt) but his sudden total love for some random girl makes not much sense, nor his sacrifice in the end.
The person who receives the sword of Troy at the end is Eneas, who after escaping Troy moved to Lazio, Italy and is considered the father of the Roman people.
Not quit true, he had a group og people with him called the Aeneads who are considered the progenitors of Romans in thier myth. Aeneas then went to Carthage and married the queen Dido.
Also, a fun fact: The Aeneads became kings of Alba Longa in Italy. One of them was a man named Numitor, whose younger brother Amulius overthrew him and killed his sons and had his daughter, Rhea Silvia, placed as a Vestal Virgin so that she would remain celebate and have no offspring to threaten his rule. While a Vestal Virgin she was r*#ed by Mars, God of War. She then bore two sons, Romulus and Rhemus. Amulius orders the twins to be murdered but they were spared and set adrift on the Tiber River. They were eventually raised by a she-wolf and returned one day to overthrow Amulius and reinstate Numitor. They would then go on to found the city of Rome in 753 BC. Now an interesting aspect: Rhea Silvia is also known as Ilia, which can be read as Julia. Which is why the Julii Caesars claimed to be descended from Mars through Romulus and Rhemus and while being Roman they celebrated the Latin Festival in Alba Longa.
The mythical twins brothers who supposedly founded Rome. Also, when the dispute over who would be king of Rome came up, Romulus (according to the stories) caved in Remus’ head with a shovel and took the kingship for himself.
@@lemuellopena1157 Romulus and Remus supposedly founded Rome, with the whole wolf thing - hence the AC Roma emblem. I'm talking about the ancestor of the people of Rome, a bit before that.
Idk why but ive always loved the line that Achilles says “I’ll tell you a secret, something they dont teach you in your temple. The gods envy us, they envy us because we’re mortal. ‘Cause any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful, because we are doomed.”
He's not wrong. Being God sounds really, REALLY repetitive and boring. You have to just sit and watch the SAME OLD SAME OLD x ♾️ human crap on Earth unfold for all eternity, never intervening yourself. It sounds like mental torture.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 Oh, Gods intervened a lot in this war (at least in the Iliad); Greek gods were never just passive spectators, they were behind everything - they caused this war, they ended this war. Mortals are just puppets for them.
"The face that launched a thousand ships", "Achilles Heel", "Trojan Horse". So many famous references from one epic story. I have been fascinated by Greek mythology for decades because of the interaction between gods and mortals. Yet this movie does such a good job of removing the supernatural elements from the old tales and making it a very human story.
Achilles wasn't just a great fighter/ warrior, he was a Demi God , his mother was Thetis the sea nymph , Zeus, the king of the gods and Poseidon, god of the sea, had both fallen in love with Thetis and were rivals for her hand in marriage , gods were warned of a prophecy that Thetis would have a son who would grow up to be greater than his father. Worried by this, Zeus arranged for Thetis to marry a mortal man so that her child couldn't challenge his power , that's why Achilles despised the gods so much in the movie
This movie is so good that I don't even care about historical inaccuracies. The acting is top notch, the fight scenes are fantastic, the storyline is immersive. And it doesn't feel outdated. Thank you for reacting to this masterpiece! I love your videos so much❤
It really is an immersive film! It's filled with some great acting and some awesome battle sequences. Yes, not the most historical accurate film out there but then again we are not even sure of what went down in real life. So this should be taken as another one of those stories soldiers tell themselves right before their own battles.
@@OfficialMediaKnights Real life ? None of these characters were real people but that is hardly an excuse to butcher one of the greatest literary works of all time.
@@herodotus945not sure about it, cuz the actual city that was destroyed and burnt down by Greeks was found in Turkey, and many scientists think it might be Troy. But for sure Homer lived much later and his story is not the best source.
The legend said that Achilles was invulnerable everywhere except his tendon. Because that was the spot his mother (a water nymph) had held him while she dipped him in the River Styx. The movie plays into this myth: Achilles is never wounded and the only arrow he doesn't pull out is the one in his tendon. So when he is found it looks as if the other arrows didn't hurt him but that last one did.
"And then there was Achilles.. Now there was a guy who had it all, the build, the foot speed. He could jab. He could take a hit. He could keep on comin'. But that furshlugginer heel of his! He barely gets nicked there once and kaboom! He's history.." -Phil from Hercules
@@AnxiouslyGamingwhat was so stupid was that he didn’t hesitant to chop the head off of that statue, yet he said the it was too early to kill princes 🙄
Not in the Illiad though, where he has to wait for his mom to bring him a new set of armor crafted by Hephaestus (since Patroclus wore his armor when he died and Hector took it), before he can enter the battle. I felt like the line in the beginning was a nice nod to that, when Achilles says he wouldn't need the shield if he was invulnerable.
The only source that portrayed Achilles was invulnerable was the unfinished epic poem the Achilleid by Statius. No other source made any reference to any kind of invulnerability and the most well known source, Homer's the Iliad, directly contradicts this describing a bleeding wound inflicted on Achilles arm by a spear. Vase paintings generally portray Achilles death by an arrow or multiple arrows to the torso.
Achilles death was glorious because he died for love and not a war he never believed in. His death was from his own choice to go into Troy not to fight a war but to save his love Briseis. He died for LOVE, something he never expected but believed in. Loved this reaction btw thank you guys.
26:56 Menelaus beating down Paris was one of the most satisfying moments I’ve ever seen in fiction tbh. Let’s not forget that he broke sacred hospitality and ran off with his wife when Menelaus welcomed them as friends.
@@nina-raedelong158 If a young hottie 20 year old steals your husband of 20 years from you because she's young and hot, is it not the man's fault when he cheats? But Helen gets a pass? oh right, it's always the man's fault. No, Helen is at fault, regardless if Helen loves Paris through enchantment or not. she was married.
@@metoo7557on the legend she was enchanted it means she didn’t have a choice it’s magic. HOWEVER in the movies there’s no supernatural involved they were both horrible selfish cowards.
Love Bana's portrayal and Brad's. But Sean Bean's line when talking to Achilles and his cousin always stuck to me. "You have your sword, I have my tricks... we play with the toys the gods give us." Not the only great line, but I love that particular one.
"Just...just wait a little..." The impertinence of Paris disrupting the moment of death, feeling and intimacy...I love your annoyance in the moment. You guys, your reactions really are bloody enjoyable. Thank you.
Hahaha thank you for understanding, like, we get it, this is your time to avenge your brother and all, but give them a sec, he's on his way out anyway 😂 Thank you so so much for your compliment, it honestly makes our day!! We appreciate you!
I fell in love with Greek mythology when I first saw movie "the Odyssey", with Kirk Douglas, as a kid. The Odyssey is the story of Odysseus trying to get back home when the Trojan War was over. There's a whole MCU like expanded universe to ancient Greek mythology. In many ways it reads like a complex soap opera. The fathers of the Greek heros at Troy were the men who traveled with Jason and Hercules in the search for the Golden Fleece. Helen was the most beautiful woman in the world, and all the Greek heros wanted her. It was decided that competitions would be held, and the winner would get Helen; while all the other men were sworn to uphold the decision. The Trojans who escaped the destruction of Troy had their own adventures searching for a new home, and eventually settled in Italy to become the founders of Rome and the Roman people.
You should Watch the EU 1968 Odyssey with Irene Papas.as Penelope. I am appalled at all the comments this Hollywood garbage does not even merit. Not because of mithology but the lack of knowledge of great literature at the very core of western culture. Achilles was dead and was not in the horse, Agamemnon returned home and was murdered by his wife etc. I also enjoyed the Douglas Odyssey, but from Age 11/13 I studied Homer uncut in junior high and noticed laughable changes : Kirk and co. get the Cyclop drunk with fresh grape juice Just to show them stomp and meets his son near Argo the dog (the real episode Is High poetry and got my whole class weeping). The flaws are too many to mention.The TV One with Assante omits the dog (aghh!). Since you got turned on to Homer with the Kirk movie like I did you will love the 68 one and Reading Homer (poetry, not Xena, Who I love,though). Hollywood idea of accuracy Is summed up by Lincoln vampire hunter and Dillinger killed after his cronies who in fact were still alive. I am not picky, Just resent bull.
@@ruggerobelloni4743 Do yourself a favor; get over any expectations that Hollywood might care about accuracy. At some point only a fool would expect such a thing from them.
@@FanOfDaUnderAppreciated No expectations but the changes from Doyle to the Gospel are so childish they are worth shaming. One Holmes version turned the future Mrs. Watson into a murderer! We do have Jeremy Brett in the British series and can watch the 1968 Odissey. Oh, I forgot: we could also read the books!
My inside joke is that because Odysseyus, aka Sean bean HAD to make it to the end, they had to sacrifice Ajax, Menalaus and Agamemnon, three characters who made it to the end of the war in the myth, to the movie gods.
@@Khaos768it's true Ajax didn't make it, but he didn't die in the 1st battle, either. And he didn't get killed by Hector, but killed himself. And that happened after Achilles got killed, in the 10th year of the war. By Zeus & Apollo, that movie messed up some main characters (and the entire timeline) really bad.
Paris was a boy that had lived a very permissive life. The point of the Illiad was that Paris and Patroclus were both filled with potential but boys still caught up in events. Menelaus and his greed for power was always going to cause the war.
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." - Odysseus
The behind the scenes of this movie was just epic. The amount of care and love and attention to detail the director and production crew put into this movie is just cinema.
What's really cool is that Apollo is the god of music and archery. And Achilles, after the destruction of Apollos temple, and then he gets killed by Apollos' weapon of choice.
Also Sean Bean's portrayal of Odysseus was excellent, and then one of the Trojan that escapes is Aeneas who fled all the way across the ocean to Italy to found Rome so in a roundabout way, Greece gets eventually punished (Army destroyed and Country conquered) by the Trojans via Rome.
Would definitely have been pretty awesome if they had done a version of the Odyssee with him reprising the role of Odysseus. Of course, the difficulty would have been that this version of the Ilias was deliberately de-mythologized, so to speak, which I'm totes okay with. It's far more difficult, rather impossible, to de-mythologize the Odyssee. Well, it's a moot point of course.
You guys need to watch; Kingdom of Heaven (Directors cut) And or The Last Samurai. Both are Spectacular Epic's. Also: Master and Commander. And my personal favorite, the Clive Owen helmed retelling of King Arthur.
I think so too! But: Kindom of Heaven has to be seen in the directors' cut version. It's a tragedy what they delivered with the theatrical release. Half of the important events in the movie were cut out. Absolute madness!
Oh definitely. I would add one more to that list: Alexander from 2004. It's great historical movie and definitely doesnt deserve the hate it got. Also the battle sequences are probably the best in cinema history.
@@MastaToSch You are a thousand percent correct. They are the little snippets of understanding that add so much. Just knowing the priest and his wife's necklace were so closely connected, giving his death the context and reasoning for his murderous anger. And i love that. Maybe an inconsequential element to many. But for me it was a mini Moses parting the sea moment of clarity. This and the other revelation's were giving me a whole other movie to enjoy.
59:00 Sean Bean's character is Odysseus. Have you ever heard of a Greek book called "The Odyssey"? It follows the adventures of Odysseus after Troy. Sean Bean is finally saved by ancient greek plot armor.
This entire epic was 😮😮. Whats even better is Odysseus's 10 year journey back home to Ithica. It would have been so awesome had they made another film with Bean in the lead role. I really want an epic this size given to the Odyssey.
I had to laugh when they said something about "Sean Bean still being alive". I thought, of course he had to survive. He's Odysseus. He's the star of the sequel.
You could never do a realistic history version of the Odyssey though. I'd want to see a version of both these stories with the gods and monsters left in
From Homer's Illiad "Looking darkly upon Hector, swift footed Achilles answered, 'I cannot forgive you. As there are no trustworthy oaths between men and lions, there can be no love between you and me. Before then to glut with his blood, Ares, the god who fights under the shield's guard. Now the time comes for you to be a spearman and a bold warrior. You will pay in a lump for all the sorrows of my companions you have killed in your spear's fury."
I read the original in HS, it always cracked me up how Homer used those phrases like ' swift footed' in order to make the syllables the correct length.
@@nsasupporter7557actually Andromache was taken by Neoptolemus as a concubine while hectors son was killed. Although there are versions as to how he died one version has Odysseus throw him off the walls of Troy while another has Neoptolemus uses him to kill his grandfather
Came back afterward to inform you that Troy is absolutely a real place. Archeologists found it a while back, digging up something of King Priam's in modern-day Turkey. (I think there might even be a virtual tour, but there is not much to look at.) As best I remember there was evidence that Agamemnon kept his word and tore the city down brick by brick and salted the earth. These both preserved the area, because people didn't build over it as the land was bad for crops, but also hid it away because there were no longer any easily visible markers, such as walls, buildings, or monuments. Also, there is a lot of evidence that suggests the 7 years of the Trojan War was basically WW2 of ancient Greece. We still see WW2 often in our media, Masters of the Air just released, almost 100 years after the war. In the same way, we still talk about, study, and make stories about WW2... this is how the Iliad likely came about. The true accuracy of the epic is questionable but it was preserved as a multipart epic play and later a written book telling the tale of the greatest war of the era. The Iliad could be compared to as Band of Brothers for the time. (And I personally think that the Odyssey is a possible fan fiction of the original play, but who am I to have such an opinion.) You can also consider that some of the larger communities of the time might not even be seen as cities today. This war is said to have had 1,000 Greek ships, each carrying 50 men, from around 40-60+ city-states, for a total of 50k warriors. But these men would have had a supply line of ships delivering food and other supplies as well as taking back plunder and slaves to fund the war. It was an insanely big war for the period and the logistics alone would have been considered an incredible feat. And have cost a fortune. Also going to note that the Iliad was recorded around 800b.c.e (bc) or 2,800-ish years ago; but the story may have been 300+ years older than that and the actual events 100+ years older than the story. (This info is all off my memory from when I studied history back in 2010-2012. It may be out of date.) Sry, for my rambling.
56:31 "And this, my friends, is how the TSA came to be..." I nearly spit out my drink all over my computer with that! Having worked for the TSA from the beginning, YOU don't understand how funny that was! amazing quote, thank you for that!
This is one of the more underrated sword and sandal films IMO. However, Paris frustrated the hell out of me. Starts a whole war, pretends to want to do the "noble" thing only to chicken out when the moment of truth came. What a coward and a weasel. Btw, if you like these sorts of epics, please consider reacting to Ridley Scott's KINGDOM OF HEAVEN Director's Cut sometime , also starring Orlando Bloom.
Hahaha seriously, we tried our best to be empathetic toward Paris but man, he just became more and more irritating 😂😂 Also yes, we have it on our list and will definitely be reacting to it! Thank you for your recommendation!
Paris is canonically represented in the Iliad and other renditions as an abject coward and loser because, surprise! He's an abject coward and loser! Hector should have cleaved his head in two like the pathetic dumbass self absorbed douchebag he was.
Troy is by far one of those overlooked action packed movies that you just don’t see anymore, great story telling and even better action. Could you please react to The Grey & Dog Soldiers both are definitely worth watching if you want gritty, suspenseful action that’ll keep you engaged the entire film.
Showed parts of this epic movie to my 9 year old daughter one summer. Tried to condense the entire movie and story while skipping the grizzly bits, as she was doing the Roman Empire at school in history. Anyways, a few months later, we were at the park about to set up under a tree to eat. And it started pouring with rain. Out of nowhere my daughter just stood up and walked out into the rain, facing the now empty field (as everyone playing there had ran for cover) and she raised her arms and her face to the clouds and started shouting "HECTORRRRR! HECTORRRRRRRR!" at the top of her lungs. I was dying from laughing. My ex however, didn't seem impressed. "Where'd she learn that? What you been letting her watch at your place!?!?!?" etc. Hence why she's my ex.
@@roger5322 Also showed her "Seven Years In Tibet" and kinda used it as a way to explain different cultures etc. Brad Pitts character has that hilarious and arrogant way of saying "Shut up!" to people, but it kinda sounds like "Shat Aaap!". Anyways, she adopted that. Whenever anyone told her to do something she didn't want to, or messed her about, she'd just turn to them look them in the eye and give her best Brad Pitt style "SHAT AAAAP!". I swear she mimicked him perfectly.
"Women have a way of complicating things." Odysseus isn't just referring to Helen, or to Achilles and Briseis, when he says this, he's also referring to himself as well. When Agamemnon's messengers arrived to Odysseus's hometown of Ithaca, his wife Penelope had just given birth to their son, so he had to go to war with the knowledge that he would never get to watch his son grow up.
It would’ve been interesting to see a sequel or “spin off” of Odysseus’ journey home after this battle. In the same tone, without any gods being involved. With the same cast.
@@lilscenechick1995 I think it was an open option, back in the day. But it wasn't developed (apparently because the studio expected better figures and critiques, I don't recall very well the source).
@@nsasupporter7557I mean, you only see things narrowly otherwise you would see this wasn't any of the women's fault. Why was Paris so stupid to steal a rulers wife, he had no reason, and took no accountability, just him hiding behind his brother and father. His the one that started this war, not Helen. 😕 Also, ppl who think like you are the dumbest ppl. Stay narrow and stupid. 🙄
They needed to hire Andrei Konchalovsky, who was the director of The Odyssye with Armand Assante, and adapt The Iliad appropriately. The script is worthy of a trash film.
Glad you guys reacted to this cut, the director itself said he enjoyed making this version more than the theatrical one, now he didn't have to worry about it being too sexy or too violent, he gave more development to the characters, and now the movie looks more like the first draft he made
I love everything about this version except the music score. I think James Horner’s score for the theatrical version is superior to the one used here (although some of it was left intact).
The theatrical is much better though. The editing and music creates a much more smooth, flowing and powerful narrative than this which is just longer and often feels distracting.
@@herodotus945 Isn't his whole story that his mother dipped him in the river styx as a baby by holding him by the heel, making his body invulnerable everywhere except for the same heel he was dipped with, the only part of him to remain mortal?
@@osmaniesquijarosa4308 If he were invulnerable everywhere but his heel why would Achilles bother wearing an armour and using a shield ? In the Iliad he is not invulnerable, in fact he died when an arrow shot him in the chest. That story about his mother dipping him in the river Styx was made up by a Roman author named Statius 800 years after Homer. Like, why his mother didnt dipped him a second time to cover the heal too ?
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Aeneas (in myth) founded the city of Lavinium. His son, Ascanius, would later found the city of Alba Longa. Romulus and Remus were descendants of Ascanius, about 15 generations later.
@ay The primary account for this is Virgil's Aeneid and in that story his is a progenitor of rome, not a founder. His descendants Romulus and Remus were the mythlogical founders of rome.
@@LudusAureaSherlock Holmes we are talking on he context of the story or you believe Aeneas is a legend but Achilles is true? All these people are fake maybe only the Kings existed
This film was written by David Benioff, one of the creators and writers of Game of Thrones, he adapted the original story in a similar way he adapted A Song of Ice and Fire into Game of Thrones, supressing the more supernatural elements and focusing on a more human and grounded story, in the poem the gods are recurring characters that directly influence the story, here they're just not seen and the belief in them is ambiguous. I like that because just like in Game of Thrones it makes the story more palatable for audiences outside of the fantasy genre. Really nice reaction guys!
Removing the gods is one of the reasons why this movie sucks. I wanted to see Diomedes beat the shit out of Ares while Aphrodite runs away like a coward.
I remember watching this movie a few years after it came out and even though I was a teenager, I learned so many life lessons from the film. The two scenes that have always stuck with me is the "gods envy us" and "you are still my enemy tonight". Here are some aspects of the myth that didn't get included in the movie: 1. The whole reason Paris was drawn to Helen is bc at the start of the myth the goddesses Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite approached him with a golden apple and asked him to present it to who he thought was the best of them. Each goddess offered a gift in exchange if he chose her. Hera offered Paris wealth and power. Athena offered to make him the strongest warrior on Earth, and Aphrodite offered him the most beautiful woman in the world. Obviously he chose Aphrodite, but he was so naive and selfish that he didn't consider that there would be a catch (such as her being married/the wife of a Greek ruler) or consequences. He just assumed it was a freebie situation. 2. The Gods/Goddesses each took a side in the war and when it came down to the Hector vs Achilles fight, the deities were so in awe of the mens' skill that they let the match go on longer than it would've. Finally they had to make the choice of who would die. So, they actually did play a huge part in pulling the strings throughout the war. 3. The reason Achille's was invincible was because his mother dipped him in the River Styx when he was a baby to make him functionally immortal. The way she did it, though, was that she held him by the heel and it was the only part of his body that was not submerged. As his only weak spot, piercing it was equivalent to a death blow because all of his mortality was concentrated in that spot. When Paris shot the arrow, he had no knowledge of this and was still a mediocre archer, so Apollo (the god Trojans worshipped) helped guide the arrow to the correct spot. So even by the end of the story Paris was still as naive and the pariah of the story.
I studied this poem at school, and it was amazing to get the scale of things by watching this movie later on. My name is Hector so, not hard to imagine who I was rooting for. Great insights guys, loved your reaction. Thanks for sharing.
For centuries, it was thought the Battle at Troy (And the city itself), was only myth. A dedicated Archaeologist believed the story/tale, and after some years, finally unearthed the burnt remains of it. Absolutely LOVED the choreography, though they cut the life/story of Achilles short, it was still a pretty honest interpretation of his legendary life and death. Wonderful 'Reaction' yet again! :-D
Heinrich Schliemann wasn't an officially educated archaeologist. He was more like an archaeology-enthusiast. However, his instincts about Troy were right.
@@Khaos768 I consider anyone that invests that much time/effort (And the $$$ such things cost), to be 'Official' in their Hobby Title(s). Yes, his instincts in discovering a lost city were correct, and it says a lot about being dedicated to what you believe in, then carrying-through to see it happen. :-)
I love watching reactions because I get to see a different perspective on movies. I have watched this many times but you guys gave me a whole new level to appreciate this.
Petersen also directed two movies from my Childhood: _The Neverending Story_ and _Enemy Mine._ Both are awesome and worth checking out. He would later on helm _In the line of Fire, Outbreak, Air Force One_ and _The Perfect Storm_ in a row. All highly regarded. Sadly, he passed away in 2022.
@@OfficialMediaKnightsif you wanna watch more “historical movies” or “fantasy action” movies, watch Kingdom of Heaven, King Arthur, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean
Yes, these are all great movies. But his masterpiece and the film he is probably most famous for is his german film Das Boot, which also was nominated for 6 Oscars. As a German, I'm very proud of his Hollywood Blockbuster career. Probably similar how the Dutch feel about Paul Verhoeven.
One of my favorite movies of all time. It never ceases to amaze me. The scale, score, battles, characters,and etc were all handled expertly. A true epic. I didnt think i could like this movie anymore till I was this version and was blown away again. I dont think I ever rooted for anyone I got everyone except Agamemnon and Paris. of course lol. They were just not it lol. I was heart broken for Hector like his death was such a gut punch for me.
Lol facts, Agamemnon, Paris and Menelaus were definitely not it! Hector was such an honorable man, it just hurt to see him go out that way, especially considering how amazing of a fight he put up against Achilles! This movie was honestly such a joy to watch!!
In most battles back then the majority of casualties are done durning the rout of the defeated army so I really liked that it was portrayed a bit in one of the battle scenes.
You guys are just so fun to watch with. Love the quality of your reactions, and always love your thoughts on things- whether it be deep conversations or humorous comments ⭐️
Theatrical cut is better purely because of the minimal score during the Hector v Achilles fight. Why they chose to re-score it with Eflman's Planet of the Apes score is beyond me.
I guess you win some and you lose some, which seems to be a common thread with these different cuts. We actually checked out that scene alone on YT and found the score for the theatrical cut stunning!!
Fun fact:That giant prop trojan horse was given to Turkey as a present just because the original legend located in dardanelles(çanakkale). You can see the horse in the downtown of Çanakkale today.
There is a whole section of the Iliad just called "The rage of Achilles" so when you say you can hear the rage in his voice I'm so glad because he is rage personified!
I appreciate how they choreographed Achilles' death. That initial arrow to the heel was definitely painful, but ultimately probably did nothing towards killing him, but those subsequent arrows to the torso did him in, but since the arrow in the foot was the only one he didn't pull out, it _appears_ as though _that_ was the killing blow that finally downed the might Achilles, birthing the legend of the warrior.
31:10 Do you know the name of that hero? Ajax. Yes, like the dish soap. Because it was written in the Iliad by Homer that Ajax was stronger than greece. And the dish soap manufacturer used that as: "Ajax, stronger than grease." 59:02 Sean Bean is Odysseus/Ulysses of course he is alive. The famous 10 year voyage home (the odyssee) started from Troy!
@@AhdokoboI also would have liked to see that. But i understand why the makers of TROY, didn´t want to make the Odyssee: The movie TROY lacks all mythological supernatural elements of the Iliad. And i don´t see how the ODYSSEE could work if you delete all mytholical supernatural elements (Okay, granted "O Brother Where are Though" did it pretty well, but that is a completely other kind of movie).
@@andrejarosch5524 yeah, unless it was done retroactively, then again, Troy did show Achilles mom who was a minor goddess, or nymph and why he knows so much about them when talking to Briseis. They could do it, like saying Ares was aiding one side while Athena was aiding the other, that Apollo helped guide Paris’s arrows to kill him for the temple mess. It could be done, without messing up Troy’s story and maybe casting it in another light, like showing the gods pettiness, considering how that war started in the myth. It would be reinforced in the Odysee, with crap he went through for ten years returning home. It would have been interesting to see how they could do it. Though, they could old school, or use 300 style, where the story is being told from another person describing monsters and stuff during the journey. Or, Odysseus’s story is used like I said earlier, but shows the more fantastical side of the world during that time, A time where mystery was at all time high and allowed our thoughts to conjure up fantastic things. A creative director could do it either way, holding with Troy’s more grounded storytelling, or add in some things like Cyclops and Sirens. It could open up a world lush for other stories of that era. Jason and the Argonauts, which is basically the Avengers of Greece. Heracles, who was part of the Argonauts, Perseus slaying the gorgon Medusa only to realize the truth of her curse after killing her, or Theseus and Ariadne’s red string against the Minotaur and so many others. Sadly, we’ll likely never get good adaptations of the classics.
I said it once and i will say it again Paris is low key the villain of this story and tbh what he did is crazy af and the fact that he got to live makes me mad lol.
I will always hate characters that are like “omg i’m gonna endanger and possibly be responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people because… I love you pookie bear 🥺👉👈” like bro, oh and then he’s also too scared to be killed in the duel istg i’ve always hated his whimpy ass lmao
Such a great epic action adventure film from the late Wolfgang Petersen and an amazing musical by the late James Horner. There were some issues behind the scenes that involved a hurricane or tropical storm destroying the set, and some of the actors and crew threatened to go on strike if they weren't paid enough for the job.
Whoaaa we had no idea about the last part!! Thank you so much for sharing! Also my goodness, James Horner always struck gold with his score - what a talent he was!
Just a fun fact: The interaction between Achilles and King Priam was almost line for line from the Illiad, on which this movie is based. The dialogue is over 2000 years old yet still holds true today.
when i watched that movie with my family, my 2 brothers aways pointed out that Hector, diferent from achiles, fought every battle thus far in their duel, so one could assume he was not 100%. They until today cant get over his death
Also, I love the WAY you two watch movies.l and how you react to the emotional scenes. There is nothing disingenuous. So I'll keep watching. Thank you guys.
I agree. I hope they have the time to bring their brilliant show for those films.They both make movies fun. When you already seen these films they make you remember how fun it was to see them.I'm so proud of them.👍🏽🥋
"You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue. You will wander the Underworld blind, deaf and dumb and all the dead will know; This is Hector, the fool who thought he killed Achilles." Still one of the best lines I've ever heard.
Your editing is on another level. You allow your audience to follow the movie in this short amount of time, that is given to you. From all the reaction channels, I love you the most.
The director’s cut is soooo much better than the theatrical. It’s almost like a different movie! Glad you both enjoyed this! One of my favorites from 2004. Brad Pitt and Eric Bana are amazing in it ^^
One of the most heartbreaking things about Hector is one of his titles was ‘Breaker of Horses’. The practice of breaking horses, making them able to be ridden, is a peace time pursuit, one that nobody has the time for during war. The last line mentioning Hector in the Iliad is ‘And so they buried Hector, breaker of horses.’ He was remembered for his peace time efforts as much as his prowess as a warrior. A fascinating book that should live on every shelf next to the Iliad is Memorial: An Excavation of the Iliad by Alice Oswald, which strips away the story of the Iliad and lists every death found from cover to cover, their description and name, bringing to the forefront how massive a loss the battles were. It’s a constant theme throughout the story but Priam put it best ‘How many cousins have you killed?’ because each man killed in battle truly could have been their killer’s cousin, or brother, each man as ordinary and extraordinary as the other, both survivor and killer. That’s the tragedy of war.
Sean Bean’s character is actually a very important character the saga. He’s Odysseus…his story is the next in the stories written by Homer, The Odyssey. This movie is from The Iliad.
In real history... Achilles dies before greeks get into troy from Paris who knew his weak target which god Aphrodite told him...the horse was an idea from Odysseus and agamemnon died after greeks returned back home by his wife because he killed his daughter to get healthy to Troy(by god Dimitra)... after the war of troy Odyssey starts with Odysseus fighting in the sea for 12 years trying to get back to Ithaki...That was a small History - Mythology lesson from a greek guy I hope u find it interesting 😁
Homer Is at the core of our western literature. I studied both masterpieces in Italy in Junior High and friends in High school read It in ancient Greek. In 20yrs in the US I tried to stress the sublime literary value but only artists and teachers got It , others put It on the same level as soaps. Did you watch the '68 Odissey with the great Irene Papas? I have It on DVD. The US TV one skipped the Argo the dog part (Heresy!). All the changes are stupid, Hollywood does It with everything from Doyle to the Gospel . One executive in the 50s said " This character named Judas Is too negative, could we eliminate him?"
There was never a war between Greeks and Trojans. A war broke out between the Achaean alliance and the Trojan alliance, which according to Homer was a Greek civil war. The Achaeans and the Trojans had kinship, common gods and customs, and the same language. This history is written and no one can change a single letter.
Not sure if it's well known in the US but Helen is known as "The face that launched a thousand ships" and Odysseus (Sean Bean) is the origin of the phrase "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" because he's such a smart arse he manages to think his way out out of any situation and invented a way of making your enemy inviting you into your city.
The explanation for the "easy" Achilles defeat, was based on the magic immunity he acquire when he was born. He was immerse in a magic river that turn him invulnerable, but he was hold it by his heels, the only spot not touched by the water. When Paris hit it in that precise location, all the magic that protect and gave him all his amazing habilites is gone. That's why a weakness is said "It's a Achilles heel", in a popular saying...
If you liked "Troy", I highly recommend "Kingdom of Heaven"! It stars Orlando Bloom as well, and also Liam Neeson, Eva Green and Jeremy Irons. Though make sure you watch the director's cut, since it adds so much more to the movie!
Fun fact, petroclus wasn't achilles' cousin in the original myth, he was Achilles' lover. They just changed it for the movie because Hollywood thought you couldn't be both bisexual and badass. Also, the word they used in the original ancient greek to describe Achilles' anger when he discovered Petroclus was dead was a word that was traditionally only ever used to describe the wrath of the gods, which I think is such an amazing detail that is unfortunately lost in translation
I just love how achilles compares himself to a lion, then in the fight you see him stalking hector. The way he circles and re engages. The way he attacks the shield instead of going for the kill. Toying with his food the way a cat toys with a trapped mouse.
One of my favorite movies of all time. I love it so much. Watched it million times and never gets boring 😎 Love the acting so much 😍 I'm glad you guys finally watched it 🙂
This was such a joy to watch honestly, so definitely understand this being one of your favorites!! The acting really was incredible!! Thanks so much for the support, we appreciate you!
I watch other reactors other than you.. but I don't think I've ever seen more 'human' reactors than you guys, your empathy and humanity shine through in every video, its admirable.. 'good people' as they say
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Great cast and Great fuckin movie, One of my favorite movies ever, everything was done so greatly. Not Only Eric bana and And Brad Pitt But everyone Else did a Fantastic job in This period.
The beauty of this movie I think a lot of people didn’t pick up on is how they show the fable and the possible reality to Achilles death. It wasn’t because he got shot in the ankle people to believe that or just fooling themselves. It was he learned to love something more than the Obsession with immortality it wasn’t that he was obsessed with war or that he loved to kill the intelligence of how he talked to everybody, especially what he was taught, and shown as a kid said the precedence of what he thought his life needed to be that being remembered that’s how you became immortal The true of Achilles demise cause he was in my opinion, one of the most perfect beings in humanities care and how they should’ve been this movie I believe it was because he found something more than needing that immortality that he had somebody to love and somebody to die for some thing to live for that is shown so beautifully and acted so beautifully written and played so beautifully in this movie that think a lot of peopledon’t pick up on that least opinion. great reaction
This film is one of the best film attic adaptations of ancient Greek warfare. Spear fighting was the norm in ancient Greece and the fight between Hector and Achilles is the very best and most realistic ever filmed. There were liberties taken in the film adaptation of the Iliad, most prominent the complete removal of the interventions of the gods, particularly Hera, Aphrodite, and Athena. A recent British limited series version hued well with the original epic, strangely casting a black actor as Achilles, but well worth watching! Your reaction was as always terrific, engaging, and film centered. Kudos to you both! Great post analysis. I was surprized you did not realize the death of Patrocles, imitating Achilles, was a central plot device in the original epic. The Roman epic, The Aneid, chronicles the story of the escapees from Troy. As an epic, rather than a historical chronicle, the Aneid is amazing. The defeated Trojans fled in ships, landing in Carthage, establishing the mighty city which rivaled Rome, and a smaller contingent landed in Italy, eventually landing in Lombardy, and imagined as the creators of the Roman Republic following the death of King Romulus. Of course there is no archeological evidence of the Aneid story, general agreed to be an attempt to legitimize Rome by associating it with both Carthage and Troy.
Oh man, DAS BOOT! 🤩 Absolutely watch the original with subtitels, please! And don't bother with the almost 4hr Directors cut, unless you absolutely want to! The theatrical release is plenty awesome enough. It didn't garner it's fans from it for no reason! ❤
I remember that one. It was pretty good. I read the book it was based on too. The movie did a decent adaptation but it left some stuff out. I can’t remember if I would recommend the film or rewatch it but I think I enjoyed it as a one off one time watch.
One of the (to me), amazing parts of this film is during the fight between Achilles and Hector... when not actually fighting, Achilles remains essentially motionless, conserving energy. Stunning choreography!!!
Achilles is one of my favorite heroes. Nearly as high as Hercules, but a true talent that wasn't wasted in welfare. Even today, Achilles's name is remembered and not forgotten. He fought in war and has slain many men before Hector. Paris is an idiot, and Hector is a noble warrior, but Achilles is the champion of champions 🏆 🥇 🏅 👏 💪.
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@officialmediaknights .... I have 2 recommendations as Movie dude...My first Job was at Blockbuster ..I've seen them all lol. The Count of Monte Cristo and the Fifth Element
That Hector and Achilles 1-1 fight choreography is one of the best I’ve ever seen in any movie. It’s stunning!
It would be better without all of the jump cuts.
🙄 Would be more forgiving without that, Stone involved.
@@bitterbites3859 the stone was a crucial plot point in the original text.
Yeah, the movie overall is really good, but that single fight is what I always remember from Troy.
upon re-watch I noticed half way through the fight Hector got really sweaty and tired. thats some good detail
Brad Pitt was excellent, but man, Peter O' Toole. What a legend. What a performance. Glad he got the honorary oscar in the end.
You can see the difference in the performances between the Hollywood-style movie actors, and British classically-trained stage actors. The latter understand better how to portray larger-than-life characters.
He was drinking on set and acting like a total asshole behind the scenes. What an absolute dirtbag.
"Peter O'Toole is a double phallic name."
- Groucho Marx
If they want to see Peter O’Toole in a royal themed movie, they may be interested in the following:
The Lion in Winter
The Last Emperor
King Ralph
Peter O'Toole was sublime. I cry EVERY time he goes to retrieve his boy...😭😭😭😭😭😭
The most infuriating thing was that Hector and Achilles were two sides of the same coin. They both have the same distain of the gods that everyone else worships, and they both have strong honor codes. If they had met under different circumstances, they would have been like ‘Bro let’s drink and tell battle stories’. And of Priam could have got to Achilles sooner, what a change to the war that would have been. Priam is exactly the king that Achilles wanted to fight for.
And just a fun note, I love Ancient Greek history so much that I have it in my will that I will have two coins placed on my eyes for the boat man.
That's so true!! It's actually heartbreaking how war has torn these men apart when, under normal circumstances, they likely would have been friends!
Also that is such an awesome thing to plan!!
Yeah, distain, while in the actual mythology his mother is literally a sea goddess.
Well-said sir. I noticed this after seeing it at the cinema. The potential greats met their demise, excluding maybe Odysseus. The tragedy of it all which stemmed from such a careless action.It's weird how Priam was able to have two completely polar opposite sons & further more to allow Paris to grow up so self-absorbed.
I'd agree they are quite similar, except for one thing, what they fought for. Hector fought to defend his country and family. Achilles fought for glory and renown. This can mostly be explained by Hector being the future ruler of Troy one day though. He was raised to be Troy personified essentially.
@@OfficialMediaKnights THIS IS THE MOST ACCURATE TELLING OF THE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT NEXT TO THE BIBLE
No matter how many times I watch it, Achilles breaking down over Hector's body always makes me burst into tears as well. What a phenomenenal scene. What phenomenal dialog and performance with King Priam leading up to it. The complexity of all the characters... Just utter perfection!
He was a leader but in this portrayal he was a soldier’s soldier as well. It was interesting because he would cut down both Greeks and Trojans easily but apparently inwardly he empathized for all of them. Which is why in his vision they greet him as a brother. Great portrayal
I agree. Same with me, it makes me teary eyed (but not crying)
The look on his face right before the final strike to hector, he looked sad. A moment he cannot back down from no matter if he wanted to.
@@plops993 I always felt Achilles was beautifully portraited as a powerful, intelligent, pragmatic, yet passionate man-child (and I mean no insult at all in that!). He is very, very emotionally invested in the people closest to him, but does not apply his very righteous sentiments to his enemies, which is kind of a double-standart. King Priam got through to him with his words on that fundamental level after his extreme grieve. Because everything Achilles did (especially the bad), was because he cared so much about the people he loved, same as Hector did, as Priam did. It took the words of a very wise man to remind him of his heart. He did not hate Hector. He was just so very human at heart and the pain had overwhelmed him. There was no moral higher ground he could stand on. Him breaking down over Hector's body is a manifestation of that realisation for me. Because not once have we seen Achilles shaken in his believes before. In that sense he almost thought he was perfect (little bit like a spoiled child) but realized he did wrong.
@@awilliams3841I don't think he looked sad at all at that moment, which makes the most sense to me, given the situation. His grieve had overwhelmed him, and he only cared about only thing - revenge. It took Priams words, that he could let go of these feelings.
@@plops993 Achilles is is everything opposite of Hector. Achilles is a warrior, but he is not a soldier. Soldiers follow orders. He hates to follow orders yet he demands absolute obedience from his men... he doesn't even care about them, as we can see in the beach scene. Incredibly egoistic and narcissistic, there is nothing likable about him; he is nothing but a kiIIer with inflated ego, although a very good one.
Of course the movie desperately trying to redeem him (because Brad Pitt) but his sudden total love for some random girl makes not much sense, nor his sacrifice in the end.
“You’re still my enemy tonight, but even enemies can show respect.”
Powerful truth.
A king who fought his own battles.
One of the very few movies where Sean Bean lives till the end... :P
He had to live. He's Odysseus. He's in the sequel.😀
yes, but next ten years will be rough for him
- but got lost on the way home! xD
It's always bugged me they didn't make The Odyssey. I really liked him as Odysseus.
@@agentsculder2451Sean Bean usually plays the villain, that’s why he always dies in movies
The person who receives the sword of Troy at the end is Eneas, who after escaping Troy moved to Lazio, Italy and is considered the father of the Roman people.
Not quit true, he had a group og people with him called the Aeneads who are considered the progenitors of Romans in thier myth. Aeneas then went to Carthage and married the queen Dido.
Also, a fun fact: The Aeneads became kings of Alba Longa in Italy.
One of them was a man named Numitor, whose younger brother Amulius overthrew him and killed his sons and had his daughter, Rhea Silvia, placed as a Vestal Virgin so that she would remain celebate and have no offspring to threaten his rule.
While a Vestal Virgin she was r*#ed by Mars, God of War. She then bore two sons, Romulus and Rhemus. Amulius orders the twins to be murdered but they were spared and set adrift on the Tiber River. They were eventually raised by a she-wolf and returned one day to overthrow Amulius and reinstate Numitor. They would then go on to found the city of Rome in 753 BC.
Now an interesting aspect: Rhea Silvia is also known as Ilia, which can be read as Julia. Which is why the Julii Caesars claimed to be descended from Mars through Romulus and Rhemus and while being Roman they celebrated the Latin Festival in Alba Longa.
Romulus and Remus?
The mythical twins brothers who supposedly founded Rome. Also, when the dispute over who would be king of Rome came up, Romulus (according to the stories) caved in Remus’ head with a shovel and took the kingship for himself.
@@lemuellopena1157 Romulus and Remus supposedly founded Rome, with the whole wolf thing - hence the AC Roma emblem. I'm talking about the ancestor of the people of Rome, a bit before that.
i like Eric Bana very much, i think he is a very underrated actor.
My favorite Hulk !
He was the most effective actor in this terrible movie!
And handsome😉
Agreed. But as an Aussie I am probably biased because I grew up watching him start his career as a local comedian.
his romantic movies are nice
Idk why but ive always loved the line that Achilles says “I’ll tell you a secret, something they dont teach you in your temple. The gods envy us, they envy us because we’re mortal. ‘Cause any moment might be our last. Everything is more beautiful, because we are doomed.”
Amazing. Troy best ever
He's not wrong. Being God sounds really, REALLY repetitive and boring. You have to just sit and watch the SAME OLD SAME OLD x ♾️ human crap on Earth unfold for all eternity, never intervening yourself. It sounds like mental torture.
That line is taken straight from Homers, Iliad. Truly beautiful.
They endvy those who know what fucking war is.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 Oh, Gods intervened a lot in this war (at least in the Iliad); Greek gods were never just passive spectators, they were behind everything - they caused this war, they ended this war. Mortals are just puppets for them.
"The face that launched a thousand ships", "Achilles Heel", "Trojan Horse". So many famous references from one epic story. I have been fascinated by Greek mythology for decades because of the interaction between gods and mortals. Yet this movie does such a good job of removing the supernatural elements from the old tales and making it a very human story.
And the infamous, "Beware of Greeks bearing Gifts".
mythology ? no it's true story
I'd love to see what the same writer and director would do with the odyssey.
@nicknolte6420 you mean Achilles father really was a god and his mother dipped him in the river so he was invulnerable except for his heel?? 🤯
@@Chaorchyyes that is exatly the story...Achilliz is Green for heel.....
Achilles wasn't just a great fighter/ warrior, he was a Demi God , his mother was Thetis the sea nymph , Zeus, the king of the gods and Poseidon, god of the sea, had both fallen in love with Thetis and were rivals for her hand in marriage , gods were warned of a prophecy that Thetis would have a son who would grow up to be greater than his father. Worried by this, Zeus arranged for Thetis to marry a mortal man so that her child couldn't challenge his power , that's why Achilles despised the gods so much in the movie
This movie translates the myth into the appearance of realistic history.
and to make him invincible he was dipped but held by his ankle hence that part was vulnerable, hence Achilles heel
Damn you know your game. I used to love that Hercules tv show in the late 90's. :)
I think that little star just flew across that says "the more you know"
@@danieldickson8591 exactly. i think they did great at that. for those who know the mythology. it was so subtle and simple to sea.
This movie is so good that I don't even care about historical inaccuracies. The acting is top notch, the fight scenes are fantastic, the storyline is immersive. And it doesn't feel outdated.
Thank you for reacting to this masterpiece! I love your videos so much❤
It really is an immersive film! It's filled with some great acting and some awesome battle sequences. Yes, not the most historical accurate film out there but then again we are not even sure of what went down in real life. So this should be taken as another one of those stories soldiers tell themselves right before their own battles.
Eh historical inaccuracies don't even really apply since this is closer to fantasy then history.
well the most obvious inaccuracie is that the siege of troy took 10 years until the city was going down ^^
@@OfficialMediaKnights Real life ? None of these characters were real people but that is hardly an excuse to butcher one of the greatest literary works of all time.
@@herodotus945not sure about it, cuz the actual city that was destroyed and burnt down by Greeks was found in Turkey, and many scientists think it might be Troy. But for sure Homer lived much later and his story is not the best source.
The legend said that Achilles was invulnerable everywhere except his tendon. Because that was the spot his mother (a water nymph) had held him while she dipped him in the River Styx.
The movie plays into this myth: Achilles is never wounded and the only arrow he doesn't pull out is the one in his tendon. So when he is found it looks as if the other arrows didn't hurt him but that last one did.
"And then there was Achilles.. Now there was a guy who had it all, the build, the foot speed. He could jab. He could take a hit. He could keep on comin'. But that furshlugginer heel of his! He barely gets nicked there once and kaboom! He's history.." -Phil from Hercules
@@AnxiouslyGamingwhat was so stupid was that he didn’t hesitant to chop the head off of that statue, yet he said the it was too early to kill princes 🙄
Not in the Illiad though, where he has to wait for his mom to bring him a new set of armor crafted by Hephaestus (since Patroclus wore his armor when he died and Hector took it), before he can enter the battle. I felt like the line in the beginning was a nice nod to that, when Achilles says he wouldn't need the shield if he was invulnerable.
The only source that portrayed Achilles was invulnerable was the unfinished epic poem the Achilleid by Statius. No other source made any reference to any kind of invulnerability and the most well known source, Homer's the Iliad, directly contradicts this describing a bleeding wound inflicted on Achilles arm by a spear. Vase paintings generally portray Achilles death by an arrow or multiple arrows to the torso.
Achilles used to be invincible until he took an arrow in the knee 😀
Achilles death was glorious because he died for love and not a war he never believed in. His death was from his own choice to go into Troy not to fight a war but to save his love Briseis. He died for LOVE, something he never expected but believed in. Loved this reaction btw thank you guys.
Yes, but in the original myth he was there just to die in battle and become immortal in history as his mother prophesied
I disagree, but i guess that is a Thing if someone read the Ilias. Still happy that you like this Scene.
26:56 Menelaus beating down Paris was one of the most satisfying moments I’ve ever seen in fiction tbh. Let’s not forget that he broke sacred hospitality and ran off with his wife when Menelaus welcomed them as friends.
Helen of Troy could have stopped it anytime she wanted to. wasn't Paris' fault alone, or more than.
@@metoo7557 In the original myth, Helen was enchanted to love Paris thanks to Aphrodite. In the myth, Helen wasn't at fault.
@@nina-raedelong158 If a young hottie 20 year old steals your husband of 20 years from you because she's young and hot, is it not the man's fault when he cheats?
But Helen gets a pass? oh right, it's always the man's fault.
No, Helen is at fault, regardless if Helen loves Paris through enchantment or not. she was married.
@@metoo7557 what an incel comment lmfaoo
@@metoo7557on the legend she was enchanted it means she didn’t have a choice it’s magic. HOWEVER in the movies there’s no supernatural involved they were both horrible selfish cowards.
Love Bana's portrayal and Brad's.
But Sean Bean's line when talking to Achilles and his cousin always stuck to me.
"You have your sword, I have my tricks... we play with the toys the gods give us."
Not the only great line, but I love that particular one.
Funny to know Patrocle IS not this cousin but this lover in fact 😁
@@valentindehon3108that's not for certain some believe that but it's never been confirmed
Particularly ironic considering Sean Bean is playing Odysseus, who the gods hadn’t even started toying with yet.
@@valentindehon3108there's nowhere in the Iliad that Patroclos and Achilleus were lovers
@@valentindehon3108, That is what uneducated people said. Read the Homer book.
"Just...just wait a little..." The impertinence of Paris disrupting the moment of death, feeling and intimacy...I love your annoyance in the moment. You guys, your reactions really are bloody enjoyable. Thank you.
Hahaha thank you for understanding, like, we get it, this is your time to avenge your brother and all, but give them a sec, he's on his way out anyway 😂
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And Greek soldiers could come any moment and they'll see Achilles dying, and they're likely not gonna take to kindly to that. So there's that.
I fell in love with Greek mythology when I first saw movie "the Odyssey", with Kirk Douglas, as a kid. The Odyssey is the story of Odysseus trying to get back home when the Trojan War was over.
There's a whole MCU like expanded universe to ancient Greek mythology. In many ways it reads like a complex soap opera. The fathers of the Greek heros at Troy were the men who traveled with Jason and Hercules in the search for the Golden Fleece. Helen was the most beautiful woman in the world, and all the Greek heros wanted her. It was decided that competitions would be held, and the winner would get Helen; while all the other men were sworn to uphold the decision.
The Trojans who escaped the destruction of Troy had their own adventures searching for a new home, and eventually settled in Italy to become the founders of Rome and the Roman people.
You should Watch the EU 1968
Odyssey with Irene Papas.as
Penelope. I am appalled at all
the comments this Hollywood
garbage does not even merit.
Not because of mithology but
the lack of knowledge of great
literature at the very core of western culture. Achilles was
dead and was not in the horse,
Agamemnon returned home and was murdered by his wife
etc. I also enjoyed the Douglas
Odyssey, but from Age 11/13
I studied Homer uncut in junior
high and noticed laughable
changes : Kirk and co. get the
Cyclop drunk with fresh grape
juice Just to show them stomp
and meets his son near Argo the dog (the real episode Is
High poetry and got my whole
class weeping). The flaws are
too many to mention.The TV
One with Assante omits the dog (aghh!). Since you got turned on to Homer with the
Kirk movie like I did you will
love the 68 one and Reading
Homer (poetry, not Xena, Who
I love,though). Hollywood idea
of accuracy Is summed up by
Lincoln vampire hunter and
Dillinger killed after his cronies
who in fact were still alive. I
am not picky, Just resent bull.
If you haven't read David Gemmells Troy series you defnitely should
@@ruggerobelloni4743 Do yourself a favor; get over any expectations that Hollywood might care about accuracy. At some point only a fool would expect such a thing from them.
@@ruggerobelloni4743 Someone is mad at Hollywood because of historical inaccuracies? That's a good one.
@@FanOfDaUnderAppreciated No expectations
but the changes from Doyle to
the Gospel are so childish they
are worth shaming. One Holmes
version turned the future Mrs.
Watson into a murderer! We do
have Jeremy Brett in the British
series and can watch the 1968 Odissey. Oh, I forgot: we could
also read the books!
My inside joke is that because Odysseyus, aka Sean bean HAD to make it to the end, they had to sacrifice Ajax, Menalaus and Agamemnon, three characters who made it to the end of the war in the myth, to the movie gods.
Ajax didn't make it.
@@Khaos768it's true Ajax didn't make it, but he didn't die in the 1st battle, either. And he didn't get killed by Hector, but killed himself. And that happened after Achilles got killed, in the 10th year of the war.
By Zeus & Apollo, that movie messed up some main characters (and the entire timeline) really bad.
@@Khaos768 He did in the book.. He is a big reason why the Greek gods regretted helping the Greeks win the war.
@@krixxset2214 what book? In the Iliad he kills himself.
Paris is the real villain. No honor whatsoever.
yeah f!ck that guy, dude let his city burn so he can get laid
Obviously! All because of one woman he loves.
Orlando Bloom doesn’t even remember doing this film, he blocked it out of his mind because of how much he hated that character.
@@Mini_Hayley I heard that on IMDB!
Paris was a boy that had lived a very permissive life. The point of the Illiad was that Paris and Patroclus were both filled with potential but boys still caught up in events. Menelaus and his greed for power was always going to cause the war.
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die.
Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." - Odysseus
Rightly so. I am the kid in beginning: "I dont fight for him." "That is why no one remember your name"
So true. Even The Great Pyramids will be sand of Sahara, but not yet!
The behind the scenes of this movie was just epic.
The amount of care and love and attention to detail the director and production crew put into this movie is just cinema.
What's really cool is that Apollo is the god of music and archery. And Achilles, after the destruction of Apollos temple, and then he gets killed by Apollos' weapon of choice.
Also Sean Bean's portrayal of Odysseus was excellent, and then one of the Trojan that escapes is Aeneas who fled all the way across the ocean to Italy to found Rome so in a roundabout way, Greece gets eventually punished (Army destroyed and Country conquered) by the Trojans via Rome.
Would definitely have been pretty awesome if they had done a version of the Odyssee with him reprising the role of Odysseus.
Of course, the difficulty would have been that this version of the Ilias was deliberately de-mythologized, so to speak, which I'm totes okay with.
It's far more difficult, rather impossible, to de-mythologize the Odyssee.
Well, it's a moot point of course.
You guys need to watch; Kingdom of Heaven (Directors cut) And or The Last Samurai. Both are Spectacular Epic's.
Also: Master and Commander. And my personal favorite, the Clive Owen helmed retelling of King Arthur.
I think so too! But: Kindom of Heaven has to be seen in the directors' cut version. It's a tragedy what they delivered with the theatrical release. Half of the important events in the movie were cut out. Absolute madness!
Oh definitely. I would add one more to that list: Alexander from 2004. It's great historical movie and definitely doesnt deserve the hate it got. Also the battle sequences are probably the best in cinema history.
Damn yes! Kingdom of Heaven is a must!!
Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut) would be awesome !
@@MastaToSch You are a thousand percent correct. They are the little snippets of understanding that add so much. Just knowing the priest and his wife's necklace were so closely connected, giving his death the context and reasoning for his murderous anger. And i love that.
Maybe an inconsequential element to many. But for me it was a mini Moses parting the sea moment of clarity. This and the other revelation's were giving me a whole other movie to enjoy.
59:00 Sean Bean's character is Odysseus. Have you ever heard of a Greek book called "The Odyssey"? It follows the adventures of Odysseus after Troy.
Sean Bean is finally saved by ancient greek plot armor.
I have known few Greeks, none are Odysseus or their friends🤔.
@@petrusinvictus3603 the fk you talking about?..
This entire epic was 😮😮. Whats even better is Odysseus's 10 year journey back home to Ithica. It would have been so awesome had they made another film with Bean in the lead role. I really want an epic this size given to the Odyssey.
I had to laugh when they said something about "Sean Bean still being alive". I thought, of course he had to survive. He's Odysseus. He's the star of the sequel.
You could never do a realistic history version of the Odyssey though. I'd want to see a version of both these stories with the gods and monsters left in
That is exatly so! Too late now. But it would ve been epic, when Bean comes back home and kills all the men who where to get his wife!😜
The sequel would have had too much mythology and CGI in it. It wouldn't have felt like a sequel.
From Homer's Illiad
"Looking darkly upon Hector, swift footed Achilles answered, 'I cannot forgive you. As there are no trustworthy oaths between men and lions, there can be no love between you and me. Before then to glut with his blood, Ares, the god who fights under the shield's guard. Now the time comes for you to be a spearman and a bold warrior. You will pay in a lump for all the sorrows of my companions you have killed in your spear's fury."
The actual Iliad story is a lot more dark and sad than this movie. When the Greeks get inside the walls of Troy, Hector’s wife and son are murdered
I read the original in HS, it always cracked me up how Homer used those phrases like ' swift footed' in order to make the syllables the correct length.
@@nsasupporter7557actually Andromache was taken by Neoptolemus as a concubine while hectors son was killed.
Although there are versions as to how he died one version has Odysseus throw him off the walls of Troy while another has Neoptolemus uses him to kill his grandfather
Came back afterward to inform you that Troy is absolutely a real place. Archeologists found it a while back, digging up something of King Priam's in modern-day Turkey. (I think there might even be a virtual tour, but there is not much to look at.) As best I remember there was evidence that Agamemnon kept his word and tore the city down brick by brick and salted the earth. These both preserved the area, because people didn't build over it as the land was bad for crops, but also hid it away because there were no longer any easily visible markers, such as walls, buildings, or monuments.
Also, there is a lot of evidence that suggests the 7 years of the Trojan War was basically WW2 of ancient Greece. We still see WW2 often in our media, Masters of the Air just released, almost 100 years after the war. In the same way, we still talk about, study, and make stories about WW2... this is how the Iliad likely came about. The true accuracy of the epic is questionable but it was preserved as a multipart epic play and later a written book telling the tale of the greatest war of the era. The Iliad could be compared to as Band of Brothers for the time. (And I personally think that the Odyssey is a possible fan fiction of the original play, but who am I to have such an opinion.)
You can also consider that some of the larger communities of the time might not even be seen as cities today. This war is said to have had 1,000 Greek ships, each carrying 50 men, from around 40-60+ city-states, for a total of 50k warriors. But these men would have had a supply line of ships delivering food and other supplies as well as taking back plunder and slaves to fund the war. It was an insanely big war for the period and the logistics alone would have been considered an incredible feat. And have cost a fortune.
Also going to note that the Iliad was recorded around 800b.c.e (bc) or 2,800-ish years ago; but the story may have been 300+ years older than that and the actual events 100+ years older than the story.
(This info is all off my memory from when I studied history back in 2010-2012. It may be out of date.) Sry, for my rambling.
56:31 "And this, my friends, is how the TSA came to be..."
I nearly spit out my drink all over my computer with that! Having worked for the TSA from the beginning, YOU don't understand how funny that was! amazing quote, thank you for that!
This is one of the more underrated sword and sandal films IMO. However, Paris frustrated the hell out of me. Starts a whole war, pretends to want to do the "noble" thing only to chicken out when the moment of truth came. What a coward and a weasel. Btw, if you like these sorts of epics, please consider reacting to Ridley Scott's KINGDOM OF HEAVEN Director's Cut sometime , also starring Orlando Bloom.
Hahaha seriously, we tried our best to be empathetic toward Paris but man, he just became more and more irritating 😂😂
Also yes, we have it on our list and will definitely be reacting to it! Thank you for your recommendation!
The war started not because of Helena and Paris, it would happen anyway, just a bit later. It's even shown in Agamemnon character in the movie.
@@OfficialMediaKnights Kingdom of Heaven would be awesome (director's cut ! theatrical is buchered)
Paris is canonically represented in the Iliad and other renditions as an abject coward and loser because, surprise! He's an abject coward and loser! Hector should have cleaved his head in two like the pathetic dumbass self absorbed douchebag he was.
Epic movie. Jerusalem. Holy City for 3 reliongs...
Troy is by far one of those overlooked action packed movies that you just don’t see anymore, great story telling and even better action.
Could you please react to The Grey & Dog Soldiers both are definitely worth watching if you want gritty, suspenseful action that’ll keep you engaged the entire film.
It’s funny how Orlando Bloom is in pretty much all movies like this… Kingdom of Heaven, Lord of the Rings trilogy, Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy
Showed parts of this epic movie to my 9 year old daughter one summer. Tried to condense the entire movie and story while skipping the grizzly bits, as she was doing the Roman Empire at school in history.
Anyways, a few months later, we were at the park about to set up under a tree to eat. And it started pouring with rain. Out of nowhere my daughter just stood up and walked out into the rain, facing the now empty field (as everyone playing there had ran for cover) and she raised her arms and her face to the clouds and started shouting "HECTORRRRR! HECTORRRRRRRR!" at the top of her lungs.
I was dying from laughing. My ex however, didn't seem impressed.
"Where'd she learn that? What you been letting her watch at your place!?!?!?" etc.
Hence why she's my ex.
A daughter never had a better dad.....😁
@@roger5322 Also showed her "Seven Years In Tibet" and kinda used it as a way to explain different cultures etc. Brad Pitts character has that hilarious and arrogant way of saying "Shut up!" to people, but it kinda sounds like "Shat Aaap!".
Anyways, she adopted that. Whenever anyone told her to do something she didn't want to, or messed her about, she'd just turn to them look them in the eye and give her best Brad Pitt style "SHAT AAAAP!".
I swear she mimicked him perfectly.
You're the best dad ever, big you bro!😂
"Women have a way of complicating things." Odysseus isn't just referring to Helen, or to Achilles and Briseis, when he says this, he's also referring to himself as well. When Agamemnon's messengers arrived to Odysseus's hometown of Ithaca, his wife Penelope had just given birth to their son, so he had to go to war with the knowledge that he would never get to watch his son grow up.
It would’ve been interesting to see a sequel or “spin off” of Odysseus’ journey home after this battle. In the same tone, without any gods being involved. With the same cast.
@@lilscenechick1995 I think it was an open option, back in the day. But it wasn't developed (apparently because the studio expected better figures and critiques, I don't recall very well the source).
“How do you write women so well?”
“I think of a man… and I take away reason and accountability”
- Melvin Udall played by Jack Nicholson
@@nsasupporter7557I mean, you only see things narrowly otherwise you would see this wasn't any of the women's fault. Why was Paris so stupid to steal a rulers wife, he had no reason, and took no accountability, just him hiding behind his brother and father. His the one that started this war, not Helen. 😕 Also, ppl who think like you are the dumbest ppl. Stay narrow and stupid. 🙄
They needed to hire Andrei Konchalovsky, who was the director of The Odyssye with Armand Assante, and adapt The Iliad appropriately.
The script is worthy of a trash film.
Glad you guys reacted to this cut, the director itself said he enjoyed making this version more than the theatrical one, now he didn't have to worry about it being too sexy or too violent, he gave more development to the characters, and now the movie looks more like the first draft he made
It's always great to see the directors and rest of the team accomplish their true vision without the meddling of the studios!
I love everything about this version except the music score. I think James Horner’s score for the theatrical version is superior to the one used here (although some of it was left intact).
The theatrical is much better though. The editing and music creates a much more smooth, flowing and powerful narrative than this which is just longer and often feels distracting.
The story of Achilles getting shot though his ankle at the battle of Troy is how the Achilles heel got its name
A story made up by later authors, in the Epic Cycle he died when he got pierced in the chest by an arrow since he was still vulnerable everywhere.
@@herodotus945 Isn't his whole story that his mother dipped him in the river styx as a baby by holding him by the heel, making his body invulnerable everywhere except for the same heel he was dipped with, the only part of him to remain mortal?
@@osmaniesquijarosa4308 If he were invulnerable everywhere but his heel why would Achilles bother wearing an armour and using a shield ? In the Iliad he is not invulnerable, in fact he died when an arrow shot him in the chest. That story about his mother dipping him in the river Styx was made up by a Roman author named Statius 800 years after Homer. Like, why his mother didnt dipped him a second time to cover the heal too ?
@@herodotus945 double dipping is frowned upon.
@@kennyjames4679 🤣🤣🤣
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58:15 The boy that Paris gives the sword of Troy to is Aeneas, who would escape and become the founder of Rome.
Well no not even remotely close. That’s legend and legend is his Descendents founded it, which is also not true .
@@LudusAurea en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeneas
Aeneas (in myth) founded the city of Lavinium. His son, Ascanius, would later found the city of Alba Longa. Romulus and Remus were descendants of Ascanius, about 15 generations later.
@ay The primary account for this is Virgil's Aeneid and in that story his is a progenitor of rome, not a founder. His descendants Romulus and Remus were the mythlogical founders of rome.
@@LudusAureaSherlock Holmes we are talking on he context of the story or you believe Aeneas is a legend but Achilles is true? All these people are fake maybe only the Kings existed
Ajax: I shall be immortalized for generations to come!
*Becomes a household de-greasing cleaning*
underrated❤
Francis.
Ajax is stronger than grease (Greece).
@@jamiemahoney2446 where's Francis??
This film was written by David Benioff, one of the creators and writers of Game of Thrones, he adapted the original story in a similar way he adapted A Song of Ice and Fire into Game of Thrones, supressing the more supernatural elements and focusing on a more human and grounded story, in the poem the gods are recurring characters that directly influence the story, here they're just not seen and the belief in them is ambiguous. I like that because just like in Game of Thrones it makes the story more palatable for audiences outside of the fantasy genre. Really nice reaction guys!
Removing the gods is one of the reasons why this movie sucks. I wanted to see Diomedes beat the shit out of Ares while Aphrodite runs away like a coward.
Ah so dumb and dumber fumbling the GOT ending is even worse
It was a good move overall, but I wonder if he did kept all those elements.....wouldv been more epic in my opinion
Removing the magical elements is why he messed up the ending of Game of Thrones.
I remember watching this movie a few years after it came out and even though I was a teenager, I learned so many life lessons from the film. The two scenes that have always stuck with me is the "gods envy us" and "you are still my enemy tonight". Here are some aspects of the myth that didn't get included in the movie:
1. The whole reason Paris was drawn to Helen is bc at the start of the myth the goddesses Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite approached him with a golden apple and asked him to present it to who he thought was the best of them. Each goddess offered a gift in exchange if he chose her. Hera offered Paris wealth and power. Athena offered to make him the strongest warrior on Earth, and Aphrodite offered him the most beautiful woman in the world. Obviously he chose Aphrodite, but he was so naive and selfish that he didn't consider that there would be a catch (such as her being married/the wife of a Greek ruler) or consequences. He just assumed it was a freebie situation.
2. The Gods/Goddesses each took a side in the war and when it came down to the Hector vs Achilles fight, the deities were so in awe of the mens' skill that they let the match go on longer than it would've. Finally they had to make the choice of who would die. So, they actually did play a huge part in pulling the strings throughout the war.
3. The reason Achille's was invincible was because his mother dipped him in the River Styx when he was a baby to make him functionally immortal. The way she did it, though, was that she held him by the heel and it was the only part of his body that was not submerged. As his only weak spot, piercing it was equivalent to a death blow because all of his mortality was concentrated in that spot. When Paris shot the arrow, he had no knowledge of this and was still a mediocre archer, so Apollo (the god Trojans worshipped) helped guide the arrow to the correct spot. So even by the end of the story Paris was still as naive and the pariah of the story.
I studied this poem at school, and it was amazing to get the scale of things by watching this movie later on. My name is Hector so, not hard to imagine who I was rooting for.
Great insights guys, loved your reaction.
Thanks for sharing.
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This movie is Sick as hell, sadly we don't see movies like This anymore, Glad you Guys did The reaction thanks for This!! Great Channel too!
thank the woke mob
@Finwaell I would love to hear you explain how "the woke mob" is the reason movies aren't like this anymore.
For centuries, it was thought the Battle at Troy (And the city itself), was only myth. A dedicated Archaeologist believed the story/tale, and after some years, finally unearthed the burnt remains of it. Absolutely LOVED the choreography, though they cut the life/story of Achilles short, it was still a pretty honest interpretation of his legendary life and death. Wonderful 'Reaction' yet again! :-D
Heinrich Schliemann wasn't an officially educated archaeologist. He was more like an archaeology-enthusiast. However, his instincts about Troy were right.
@@Khaos768
I consider anyone that invests that much time/effort (And the $$$ such things cost), to be 'Official' in their Hobby Title(s).
Yes, his instincts in discovering a lost city were correct, and it says a lot about being dedicated to what you believe in, then carrying-through to see it happen.
:-)
I love watching reactions because I get to see a different perspective on movies. I have watched this many times but you guys gave me a whole new level to appreciate this.
It is rumored that Aeneas (the boy who was given the sword by Paris) led the refugees to Italy where they founded Rome.
One thing I find amazing about this film is that Sean Bean doesn’t die in a film that was built for the possibility of any character to die.
Lolll actually though, it was all downhill after this 😂
They gave us Sean Bean and then subverted expectations! 😂
If you red Illiad youd've known Odysseus doesnt die
@@juansanchezvilla-lobosrami5404 I did know that, but Hollywood always changes things.
Sean Bean had to live. He's Odysseus. He's in the sequel.
The back to back "Holy shit!" moments were a perfect reaction. You guys edit your videos incredibly well.
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I've been watching you guys for a while. As a filmmaker myself I love your love for movies and understanding of how scenes are made. Well done!
Fun fact,
In the actual story, it is Apollo who guides Pari's aim when he kills Achilles.
This is one of my favorite movies of all time. Thank you so much for reacting to this excellent film 🔥!
Petersen also directed two movies from my Childhood: _The Neverending Story_ and _Enemy Mine._ Both are awesome and worth checking out. He would later on helm _In the line of Fire, Outbreak, Air Force One_ and _The Perfect Storm_ in a row. All highly regarded. Sadly, he passed away in 2022.
Adding these to our list! Thank you for the suggestions 😄
@@OfficialMediaKnightsif you wanna watch more “historical movies” or “fantasy action” movies, watch Kingdom of Heaven, King Arthur, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean
RIP to Wolfgang Petersen and Peter O’Toole
Yes, these are all great movies. But his masterpiece and the film he is probably most famous for is his german film Das Boot, which also was nominated for 6 Oscars.
As a German, I'm very proud of his Hollywood Blockbuster career. Probably similar how the Dutch feel about Paul Verhoeven.
One of my favorite movies of all time. It never ceases to amaze me. The scale, score, battles, characters,and etc were all handled expertly. A true epic. I didnt think i could like this movie anymore till I was this version and was blown away again.
I dont think I ever rooted for anyone I got everyone except Agamemnon and Paris. of course lol. They were just not it lol. I was heart broken for Hector like his death was such a gut punch for me.
Lol facts, Agamemnon, Paris and Menelaus were definitely not it!
Hector was such an honorable man, it just hurt to see him go out that way, especially considering how amazing of a fight he put up against Achilles! This movie was honestly such a joy to watch!!
@@OfficialMediaKnights So glad you both enjoyed it ❤️❤️❤️❤️
FANTASTIC MOVIE!! 💪😎💪
Pitt has one of the BEST burns in movie history! "... and that is why no one will remember your name." 😁😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
💘💘 Diane Kruger! 💗💗💗🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
In most battles back then the majority of casualties are done durning the rout of the defeated army so I really liked that it was portrayed a bit in one of the battle scenes.
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Theatrical cut is better purely because of the minimal score during the Hector v Achilles fight. Why they chose to re-score it with Eflman's Planet of the Apes score is beyond me.
I guess you win some and you lose some, which seems to be a common thread with these different cuts. We actually checked out that scene alone on YT and found the score for the theatrical cut stunning!!
Agreed.
Definitely. The original music where Achilles storms the temple is the only music for that scene. This took the epicness out of it.
I was just gunna mention the same thing,the directors cut is bobbins due to the soundtrack
The Choreography in this film is top notch
Yesss, especially that fight with Hector and Achilles was just chef's kiss!
@@OfficialMediaKnights that was probably the most challenging one on one match Achilles ever had. 💯
Fun fact:That giant prop trojan horse was given to Turkey as a present just because the original legend located in dardanelles(çanakkale). You can see the horse in the downtown of Çanakkale today.
Also fun fact: The Horse was in the flag of TROY and in there deity. So ending is proper.
There is a whole section of the Iliad just called "The rage of Achilles" so when you say you can hear the rage in his voice I'm so glad because he is rage personified!
I appreciate how they choreographed Achilles' death. That initial arrow to the heel was definitely painful, but ultimately probably did nothing towards killing him, but those subsequent arrows to the torso did him in, but since the arrow in the foot was the only one he didn't pull out, it _appears_ as though _that_ was the killing blow that finally downed the might Achilles, birthing the legend of the warrior.
31:10 Do you know the name of that hero? Ajax.
Yes, like the dish soap.
Because it was written in the Iliad by Homer that Ajax was stronger than greece.
And the dish soap manufacturer used that as: "Ajax, stronger than grease."
59:02 Sean Bean is Odysseus/Ulysses of course he is alive. The famous 10 year voyage home (the odyssee) started from Troy!
Would have been cool to see a movie of the Odyssey with Sean Bean as a sequel. I thought he had the perfect look when I think of that hero/king.
@@AhdokoboI also would have liked to see that. But i understand why the makers of TROY, didn´t want to make the Odyssee:
The movie TROY lacks all mythological supernatural elements of the Iliad. And i don´t see how the ODYSSEE could work if you delete all mytholical supernatural elements (Okay, granted "O Brother Where are Though" did it pretty well, but that is a completely other kind of movie).
@@andrejarosch5524 yeah, unless it was done retroactively, then again, Troy did show Achilles mom who was a minor goddess, or nymph and why he knows so much about them when talking to Briseis. They could do it, like saying Ares was aiding one side while Athena was aiding the other, that Apollo helped guide Paris’s arrows to kill him for the temple mess. It could be done, without messing up Troy’s story and maybe casting it in another light, like showing the gods pettiness, considering how that war started in the myth. It would be reinforced in the Odysee, with crap he went through for ten years returning home. It would have been interesting to see how they could do it. Though, they could old school, or use 300 style, where the story is being told from another person describing monsters and stuff during the journey. Or, Odysseus’s story is used like I said earlier, but shows the more fantastical side of the world during that time,
A time where mystery was at all time high and allowed our thoughts to conjure up fantastic things. A creative director could do it either way, holding with Troy’s more grounded storytelling, or add in some things like Cyclops and Sirens. It could open up a world lush for other stories of that era. Jason and the Argonauts, which is basically the Avengers of Greece. Heracles, who was part of the Argonauts, Perseus slaying the gorgon Medusa only to realize the truth of her curse after killing her, or Theseus and Ariadne’s red string against the Minotaur and so many others. Sadly, we’ll likely never get good adaptations of the classics.
I said it once and i will say it again Paris is low key the villain of this story and tbh what he did is crazy af and the fact that he got to live makes me mad lol.
I will always hate characters that are like “omg i’m gonna endanger and possibly be responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people because… I love you pookie bear 🥺👉👈” like bro, oh and then he’s also too scared to be killed in the duel istg i’ve always hated his whimpy ass lmao
Such a great epic action adventure film from the late Wolfgang Petersen and an amazing musical by the late James Horner.
There were some issues behind the scenes that involved a hurricane or tropical storm destroying the set, and some of the actors and crew threatened to go on strike if they weren't paid enough for the job.
Whoaaa we had no idea about the last part!! Thank you so much for sharing!
Also my goodness, James Horner always struck gold with his score - what a talent he was!
Also airplanes kept flying into shots lol
Just a fun fact: The interaction between Achilles and King Priam was almost line for line from the Illiad, on which this movie is based. The dialogue is over 2000 years old yet still holds true today.
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when i watched that movie with my family, my 2 brothers aways pointed out that Hector, diferent from achiles, fought every battle thus far in their duel, so one could assume he was not 100%. They until today cant get over his death
Also, I love the WAY you two watch movies.l and how you react to the emotional scenes.
There is nothing disingenuous.
So I'll keep watching.
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This is one of my favorite movies of all time. Up there with V for Vendetta and Fight Club!
I agree. I hope they have the time to bring their brilliant show for those films.They both make movies fun. When you already seen these films they make you remember how fun it was to see them.I'm so proud of them.👍🏽🥋
"You won't have eyes tonight. You won't have ears or a tongue. You will wander the Underworld blind, deaf and dumb and all the dead will know; This is Hector, the fool who thought he killed Achilles."
Still one of the best lines I've ever heard.
Your editing is on another level. You allow your audience to follow the movie in this short amount of time, that is given to you. From all the reaction channels, I love you the most.
The boy you see Paris handing the sword of Troy to is Aeneas, the mythological ancestor of the future Romans.
the fact that almost all of the main characters die but sean beans character lives
The director’s cut is soooo much better than the theatrical. It’s almost like a different movie! Glad you both enjoyed this! One of my favorites from 2004. Brad Pitt and Eric Bana are amazing in it ^^
One of the most heartbreaking things about Hector is one of his titles was ‘Breaker of Horses’. The practice of breaking horses, making them able to be ridden, is a peace time pursuit, one that nobody has the time for during war. The last line mentioning Hector in the Iliad is ‘And so they buried Hector, breaker of horses.’ He was remembered for his peace time efforts as much as his prowess as a warrior.
A fascinating book that should live on every shelf next to the Iliad is Memorial: An Excavation of the Iliad by Alice Oswald, which strips away the story of the Iliad and lists every death found from cover to cover, their description and name, bringing to the forefront how massive a loss the battles were.
It’s a constant theme throughout the story but Priam put it best ‘How many cousins have you killed?’ because each man killed in battle truly could have been their killer’s cousin, or brother, each man as ordinary and extraordinary as the other, both survivor and killer. That’s the tragedy of war.
Sean Bean’s character is actually a very important character the saga. He’s Odysseus…his story is the next in the stories written by Homer, The Odyssey. This movie is from The Iliad.
Brad Pitt was born for this role . What a movie .
In real history... Achilles dies before greeks get into troy from Paris who knew his weak target which god Aphrodite told him...the horse was an idea from Odysseus and agamemnon died after greeks returned back home by his wife because he killed his daughter to get healthy to Troy(by god Dimitra)... after the war of troy Odyssey starts with Odysseus fighting in the sea for 12 years trying to get back to Ithaki...That was a small History - Mythology lesson from a greek guy I hope u find it interesting 😁
Homer Is at the core of our western literature. I studied
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in Junior High and friends
in High school read It in ancient Greek. In 20yrs in the
US I tried to stress the sublime
literary value but only artists
and teachers got It , others put
It on the same level as soaps.
Did you watch the '68 Odissey
with the great Irene Papas? I
have It on DVD. The US TV one
skipped the Argo the dog part
(Heresy!). All the changes are
stupid, Hollywood does It with
everything from Doyle to the
Gospel . One executive in the
50s said " This character named Judas Is too negative,
could we eliminate him?"
There was never a war between Greeks and Trojans. A war broke out between the Achaean alliance and the Trojan alliance, which according to Homer was a Greek civil war. The Achaeans and the Trojans had kinship, common gods and customs, and the same language.
This history is written and no one can change a single letter.
Not sure if it's well known in the US but Helen is known as "The face that launched a thousand ships" and Odysseus (Sean Bean) is the origin of the phrase "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" because he's such a smart arse he manages to think his way out out of any situation and invented a way of making your enemy inviting you into your city.
The explanation for the "easy" Achilles defeat, was based on the magic immunity he acquire when he was born. He was immerse in a magic river that turn him invulnerable, but he was hold it by his heels, the only spot not touched by the water. When Paris hit it in that precise location, all the magic that protect and gave him all his amazing habilites is gone. That's why a weakness is said "It's a Achilles heel", in a popular saying...
If you liked "Troy", I highly recommend "Kingdom of Heaven"! It stars Orlando Bloom as well, and also Liam Neeson, Eva Green and Jeremy Irons. Though make sure you watch the director's cut, since it adds so much more to the movie!
Fun fact, petroclus wasn't achilles' cousin in the original myth, he was Achilles' lover. They just changed it for the movie because Hollywood thought you couldn't be both bisexual and badass.
Also, the word they used in the original ancient greek to describe Achilles' anger when he discovered Petroclus was dead was a word that was traditionally only ever used to describe the wrath of the gods, which I think is such an amazing detail that is unfortunately lost in translation
The German Movie „Das Boot“ is another masterpiece of Director Wolfgang Petersen which you should watch and enjoy as well.
I just love how achilles compares himself to a lion, then in the fight you see him stalking hector. The way he circles and re engages. The way he attacks the shield instead of going for the kill. Toying with his food the way a cat toys with a trapped mouse.
Hector was my goat in this movie ❤.His courage and determination,love for his wife and country and his will to protect the people behind him💪✅
One of my favorite movies of all time. I love it so much. Watched it million times and never gets boring 😎
Love the acting so much 😍
I'm glad you guys finally watched it 🙂
This was such a joy to watch honestly, so definitely understand this being one of your favorites!! The acting really was incredible!!
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@@OfficialMediaKnights I love greek mythology movies so much. You should watch other movies too about greek mythology, they're very fun 😉
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Great cast and Great fuckin movie, One of my favorite movies ever, everything was done so greatly. Not Only Eric bana and And Brad Pitt But everyone Else did a Fantastic job in This period.
The beauty of this movie I think a lot of people didn’t pick up on is how they show the fable and the possible reality to Achilles death. It wasn’t because he got shot in the ankle people to believe that or just fooling themselves. It was he learned to love something more than the Obsession with immortality it wasn’t that he was obsessed with war or that he loved to kill the intelligence of how he talked to everybody, especially what he was taught, and shown as a kid said the precedence of what he thought his life needed to be that being remembered that’s how you became immortal The true of Achilles demise cause he was in my opinion, one of the most perfect beings in humanities care and how they should’ve been this movie I believe it was because he found something more than needing that immortality that he had somebody to love and somebody to die for some thing to live for that is shown so beautifully and acted so beautifully written and played so beautifully in this movie that think a lot of peopledon’t pick up on that least opinion. great reaction
This film is one of the best film attic adaptations of ancient Greek warfare. Spear fighting was the norm in ancient Greece and the fight between Hector and Achilles is the very best and most realistic ever filmed. There were liberties taken in the film adaptation of the Iliad, most prominent the complete removal of the interventions of the gods, particularly Hera, Aphrodite, and Athena. A recent British limited series version hued well with the original epic, strangely casting a black actor as Achilles, but well worth watching! Your reaction was as always terrific, engaging, and film centered. Kudos to you both! Great post analysis. I was surprized you did not realize the death of Patrocles, imitating Achilles, was a central plot device in the original epic. The Roman epic, The Aneid, chronicles the story of the escapees from Troy. As an epic, rather than a historical chronicle, the Aneid is amazing. The defeated Trojans fled in ships, landing in Carthage, establishing the mighty city which rivaled Rome, and a smaller contingent landed in Italy, eventually landing in Lombardy, and imagined as the creators of the Roman Republic following the death of King Romulus. Of course there is no archeological evidence of the Aneid story, general agreed to be an attempt to legitimize Rome by associating it with both Carthage and Troy.
Oh man, DAS BOOT! 🤩 Absolutely watch the original with subtitels, please! And don't bother with the almost 4hr Directors cut, unless you absolutely want to! The theatrical release is plenty awesome enough. It didn't garner it's fans from it for no reason! ❤
You should put 13th warrior with Antonio Banderas on your list. One of my favourite films.
I remember that one. It was pretty good. I read the book it was based on too. The movie did a decent adaptation but it left some stuff out. I can’t remember if I would recommend the film or rewatch it but I think I enjoyed it as a one off one time watch.
Helena of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships.
The best and more intelligent reaction to this movie (one of my favorites) that i saw until now. Congratulations. You gave it his right place.
One of the (to me), amazing parts of this film is during the fight between Achilles and Hector... when not actually fighting, Achilles remains essentially motionless, conserving energy. Stunning choreography!!!
Achilles is one of my favorite heroes. Nearly as high as Hercules, but a true talent that wasn't wasted in welfare. Even today, Achilles's name is remembered and not forgotten. He fought in war and has slain many men before Hector. Paris is an idiot, and Hector is a noble warrior, but Achilles is the champion of champions 🏆 🥇 🏅 👏 💪.