Speaking on behalf of the local FFA. Our communities are STRUGGLING with the new development without any expansion of our rural communities. Farmer's markets are barren. Ive lived for 55 years in MC and its sad to watch my community spend all day inside on their phones instead of mucking stables like i used to do when i was kid. It builds character!
i agree there is also a lack of good paying Freight for the railroad to haul, if you dont find a use for it we might just have to sever the old routes. Regards, The Superior & Chicago Railroad
I for one think it's very sad how the hospital has no garden or park area. There's nowhere for patients to take a recuperating stroll anywhere on the campus. A parking facility should be put up instead of so much asphalt parking, and a small and navigable park put in its place. You could name the entire neighborhood after the hospital, since it's such a landmark building - St. Anne's or somesuch.
@@CityPlannerPlaysi dont expect for you to change this now, but I would've built the hospital across the road on the lake. It would be nice scenery for the patients to look at.
I agree! The two strips of parking roads to the right of the ambulance entrance way should go. And that whole area could be a beautiful park area with a nice pond.
One of the things i find absolutely hilarious about your videos, Phil, is whe you say you shouldnt let perfect be the enemy of good, but in the background Perfect is declaring a crusade on Good.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. We've had a few projects like that in my part of the world which are being scaled back following a change of government... rightly or wrongly, the new crowd has very little tolerance for cost overruns.
Jesus, that hospital has more parking area than Disneyland. Also in my country, public hospitals tends to be surrounded by a park, houses and some shops... hospitals employees likes to live near them.
The hospital that me and my parents would occasionally go to had its own parking garage and had like 12 floors in the hospital itself. You could never just enter and stay on "floor 5" for anything in that building.
@@CityPlannerPlays yup your cims can't even walk on onto the streets because since you removed "all" crosswalks, they can't get in our out, no pathfinding
Something to consider for the hospital campus: not sure how it is in other countries, but here wherever there's a fairly big hospital you will also find an apartment building or two within walking distance. They're mostly occupied by healthcare workers at the hospital (for those who don't want to have to commute/drive home after working a long shift). Also available for people from out of town who are there for outpatient treatments that have multiple sessions over the course of several weeks.
To piggyback on your point... Near me in the US state of GA, a hospital of that size would also generally have more medium density (3, 4, 5 or maybe even 6 stories) office buildings for various specialist dr offices.... like the hospital near me has things like neurologist offices and whatnot within walking distance (heck, some are even closer). I can't speak for the rest of the US or world though, that's just what I'm used to.
Could be mixed use as well to get some synergy going between staff, visitors and residents. Especially as the farmland surrounding the hospital is redeveloped.
I don't know if this exists in the US, but all over europe there are "Ronald McDonald Houses", which provide housing close to speciality hospitals for critically ill children as a charity, so parents and siblings can live close to their ill family member. It is always quite jarring imagining the borderline-creepy clown from a damn burger chain, of all things, being associated with a charity for sick and dying kids and their families (the McDonald's company actually co-founded and finaces the charity). The name "The Chuckles House" immediately invoked this image in me.
@@QemeH These exist in the US as well! I stayed in one as a child when I needed a surgery at LA Children's Hospital but I wasn't critically ill and it wasn't required that I be for us to stay there. I assume it depends on how much space they have at the ronald mcdonald house but I know that it was also income based so lower income families would be able to stay somewhere affordable near the hospital.
I think that way of building an office park was great! It’s a city planning simulator, the planner doesn’t decide every building that will go somewhere. It also just feels much more like your actually PLAYING THE GAME when you let buildings spawn in and work with what you get. It just feels so much more fun, imo!
I know we plan these sort of things diffrently over here but i feel like a hospital would usualy have a parking garage and the other land used for development as it is relatively valuable
Q: Where should the cars go when people are in the hospital (working, visiting, being treated)? European Answer: Underground, multi-tier structure, improved public transport, comprehensive bike network, ... US Answer: We can't drive up or down ramps, actually... [Also - as a paramedic, I have to tell you: Changing the pull-through ambulance bay to a backing-in garage is a major PITA. Please don't ever do this if you're ever ask to actually plan an emergency departement...]
@@jonathanflugge3557 you do, but there’s a tendency to just spray flat parking lots everywhere, even when a multi level car park would be better. As an example of clever use of a multi-level car park, aside from the benefit of reduced floor area, my city hospital has a multi level facility attached to the side of the main building. It allows there to be dedicated spaces for dialysis patients to park on the floor where they receive their treatment. Unless it is full, you can therefore park on the same level as your appointment, which is fantastic for wheelchair access. In addition, the hospital has its own well connected bus terminal so you can get there in no more than 2 busses. It was mentioned by another commenter, but the hospital in this episode would do better with more compact parking and a space for recreation in its place, which would include a small shopping area, cafe, parkland for rehab and mental wellness, and small accommodations for long stay patients and/or staff.
You're expecting sick people to get off the bus and walk all the way across the parking lot to the hospital! The bus should stop right outside the entrance.
17:59 The hospital build kind of proves we need medium density office zoning in game. Directly related to that hospital there would be at least one 3-5 story administrative building, another 3-5 story building for doctors offices/sports medicine/outpatient surgeries, and probably a 2-4 story building for a combo pediatric center and urgent care.
The ambulance loading in from the parking lot is absolutely insane. It needs a dedicated entry from a place where there aren't that many people walking. Preferrable from the back from a side road that only allows emergency vehicles.
This is sometimes not possible. the University of Alberta Hospital has a huge parking lot surrounding its ambulance ingress area and it's kinda gross. It is in a very built up area mind you, and has been upgraded over the decades, but still.
The Health Sciences Centre at Memorial University of Newfoundland is the main hospital, St. Clare's Mercy Hospital is the other. St Clare's is ancient and downtown, so I can ignore the terrible layout, but the HSC is much newer and is absolutely surrounded by parking lots, with a single 2lane loop road around for access to all parking, emergency, and non-emerg entrances
Love the video Phil ❤ your creativity with making these towns fit and grow together always amazes me! Thank you for toning down the music swell slightly, it feels less overbearing now when you stop talking ❤ (and i love groovin with gary too!)
12:21 I think it'd be nice if the ambulance road used public transit lanes (game's equivalent of BRT lanes) both to show that they are exclusive to ambulances and to stop cars cutting through
I think the area around the hospital should be named Timmon's Quarry. Officially because it was built on the old quarry but unofficially because of the disagreement between Timmons and Johnson. I think Chuckles would approve of the wordplay.
Ngl I kinda hate the barely offset ramps for the highway interchange. Just looks wrong to me and a left onto a highway with no signal gives me the willies
I feel like it would be appropriate to have a hotel of some kind next to the hospital. Since it's a regional facility, it would likely have specialized care and cater to extended stay patients. Visiting families would need a place to sleep that isn't a waiting room couch.
My personal experiences with regional hospital campuses in my part of the Midwest (Minnesota) is that often times they'll have hotel services very close by to provide for people who have to travel from out of area to the hospital. Older, more established campuses I've noticed also tend to have independent spiritual buildings in the neighborhood as well.
I think part of the reason the hospital's parking lot is empty is because of the crosswalk removal, making many of the parking spaces unreachable and unconnected to the hospital.
Hi Chuckles! Hospital name: Superior-Plainview Teaching Hospital - Seeing as it's an extention of the University it makes sense to name it after it. Kinda taking from House MD's ficticious Princeton-Plainsborough Teaching Hospital with this one. If you look at the Princeton campus and where the hospital technically would be if it existed, it is quite rural surrounding it! Very similar actually. Office Zone: Stone Quarry Business Park (or Office Park)- relating to its prior quarry history perhaps?
Absolutely love seeing a new update. Just had something I wanted to point out right quick. It has been my experience that large hospitals have at least one or two parking garages. I also think the medical University would look good close to the new hospital.
Every hospital I have ever been to has had parking for emergency patients right next to the emergency room entrance. A person could bleed out walking those football fields of parking before they even got to the door.
Phil, you removed all the disabled parking...from a hospital! Also AIUI the ambulance drop-off lane is typically a through roadway so they can unload & go without having to turn around.
I've been hoping to see a hospital come to the county since the University was built so this was very gratifying! In my experience as the child of two hospital workers, a parking lot like the one that comes with the asset would often be for staff, especially doctors on call to be able to enter the hospital efficiently-seeing car access to the ER bay removed as part of it also seems wrong, though it presumably doesn't impact the functionality of the building at all in game. I agree with other commenters that some more amenities like hotels and housing in the area would be reasonable additions to the campus. A more urban hospital might not be able to have great park space nearby but this feels like a great location to get some green space right next door.
Frank "Moon-boy" Holmes, that local hippy, is dropping by the Mayor's office in Bend -- saying, "Hey, guys ... look, if you're taking care of the city, you should really think about some community garden or food forest space in front of that shiny new clinic, you know? Like, having a food forest for that nice affordable housing where folks can get good, fresh food can also keep them out of that clinic for the preventable stuff, you dig? It'd be radical in the best of ways, right? Righteous ..."
Hi Phil, I live in a town with quarries, and repurposed ponds made on what was before a quarry tend to have extremely sharp edges and tend to be really deep. You could say that, in grading the field of the former quarry for the hospital, that pond what was left, but it should be deeper and sharper. Also, given the fact that it was a former quarry, Quarry General could be a name that Chuckles might like.
You could change the color of the hospital with recolor! I always thought the generic CS2 hospital colors were very bright and clean. Parking is very valuable of course and for a car centric NA build it makes sense, but there’s really a lot of parking lol, especially for there being such excellent transit options nearby. Maybe consider adding a taxi stop as well! Awesome video!
Another superb video, thank you Phil! Watching you do these builds and listening to your voice really helps me calm down after a long day, and also it's really helpful when insomnia and anxiety kicks in. I feel grateful for your content 🙏🙏🙏
Chuckels! For the Hospital: Superior Regional Medical Center. For the neighborhood: Quarry Valley. I agree in reducing the hospital parking and adding a park. Healing parks are very popular on MC campuses. The offices are very realistic for large medical centers. Off campus private medical offices for specialists and rehabs are EVERYWHERE near large facitities! Might want to add another path in between the offices on the main road to get better pedestrian connectivity. One of our large hospitals has a bus station that is hugely busy. It also has it's own post office!
I appreciate your attention to detail. I dont watch any other cities skylines content creators anymore, but you bring a certain flare to it that keeps it interesting 😀 Keep up the good work 😀
this is awesome! doesn't seem like there's anything in the way of accommodation near the new hospital though, which would seem bizarre given that it's a regional facility. Perhaps a hotel, motel and apartment building nearby could help solve the issue for patients' families coming from out of town to visit. That would cover all price brackets and airbnb
It might be worth considering moving the bus station from the shopping center to the hospital campus. I'm living in Europe now and large hospitals around here tend to also be major nodes in the transit system, which makes sense if you think about how you want the hospital to be as easily accessible as possible for the highest number of people. It probably wouldn't detract too much to convert some of the parking to a station for the local bus lines to interchange, and maybe eventually extend the tram out that way.
16:40 I really like this rationale for this play style. The buildings growing in zoned areas are like building applications. You as the planner are trying to make them work in their local context. I might adopt this approach in my future builds.
Come on Phil, extra office parking next to the biggest parking lot in town? Add a path between offices and hospital. Done. Makes it easier to bike too. People also wouldn't have to drive if public transit was better. I still say expand the tram to the target-like store (tram depot is right there, the dead heading could turn useful). Maybe turn the tram in at the Switch-On factory along the arterial-to-be, and loop at the hospital, or maybe onwards along the coast where you removed bus stops? That'd open up a ton of valuable land use. The pond is a nice touch. :)
I have worked on a parking study for a Hospital. In my experience, they don't want to share their parking with other parcels and uses. And it's the city's responsibility to make sure each parcel can realistically serve their own parking demands on their parcel because you never know what the neighboring parcels will look like in the future. Public transit and active transportation infrastructure is great but the amount and distribution of parking feels quite realistic.
The side of the interchange with two ramps should probably be combined, or at least made into a supernode. Having two crossings that close together would likely needlessly create traffic there once the volume grows. Maybe take a little bit of eminent domain from the park there to shift the offramp to align with the onramp? It would also make the left turn movement onto the highway a lot safer given that it would then be signalized.
There used to be a big hospital one town over from me. It had major flood damage to one section a few years ago. Instead of just repairing that section, the company that owns it decided to tear down the entire hospital and build a new one. It was supposed to be done by this year. But, due to numerous problems, it is unclear if it will even be done before the end of the decade.
Phil - this is my world! I have so many things to say about this build, on the macro level. I would love to help you optimize your healthcare system, especially from the EMS/trauma perspective. I’ve been in the EMS world for 15 years. I’d love to help!
A major Medical Center, like this would have a large parking deck rather than expanded ground level parking to facilitate ease of access to the main building, especially in cold weather climates
Not the biggest fan of getting rid of all the parking near the ER. A lot of patients are driven by private cars to the ER when it's not an emergency that requires an ambulance (or when ambulances have a reputation in the area of being slow/late). Having at least a bigger drop-off area would be a good consideration.
I love your commitment to telling the story of this municipality! It's really such an interesting and unique genre of storytelling that really sets your videos apart from other creators. I'd love to see your take on doing this sort of thing with Timberborn or another series because it really is just very interesting to watch! So thanks for all the things internet man! Keep on it! It's great. 😊👍
I think it would be wise to replace side parking of hospital with some sort of park. You know, patients of hospital needs some place to walk and rest outside.
It wouldn't be a CPP build if there wasn't a metric boatload of parking in a rural area, and barely a parking pittance near endless rows of high density housing. Never change.
I enjoyed this build. I hear what people are saying about the parking lot for the hospital. The one thing I would add would be a path between the hospital and the commercial/office zone. ATM people would have to walk all the way around (someone already mentioned the issue with the lack of crossings as well)
Hey CPP, at the interchange, the road between the two offramps looks like it is very inefficient and dangerous. It requires vehicles to make multiple stops before being able to turn onto river street or enter the offramp. I would suggest adding a roundabout (maybe turboroundabout) to increase traffic flow and reduce possibilities of dangerous situations occuring. The factory would also benefit from having this interchange be safer because semi-trucks entering and leaving the area would not require to make multiple full stops that, with their long braking zones and slow acceleration, can cause traffic holdups and dangerous traffic conditions.
Now, how about the Elementary schools? May need to check to see if there are areas where there is low school capacity compared to population and disperse them around (before building more residential, which will need it's own additional school support)
You mentioned that you want to serve the hilltop with either trolleybuses or trams and I'm here to tell you that getting a tram up there is very difficult. The reason diesel buses struggle on slopes is power to weight ratio, but trams struggle because their wheels have less friction than rubber-tired vehicles and can start sliding downhill if not designed properly. It's rare for adhesion railways to run at higher than 5% slope, although there are a few trams that go up to 7% or even a little higher (Portland's light rail is one example, and San Fransisco Muni has a section of 9.1%). I'd stick to 7% as a maximum, and obviously wherever possible you want to be below 4%
Hopefully, City Skylines adds some marina assets soon. It strikes me as odd that Magnolia County is on Lake Superior and doesn't have any infrastructure for recreational boating.
TBH I'm really excited by the thought of intensification of the region. As a series winds up, the city should (hopefully) look like a utopia of good city planner choices.
Chuckles would Name the Hospital: Superior Univerisity Hospital, because he had a really bad skiing accident on his Switzerland Skiing trip when he was younger and got amazing treatment in the Univerisitätsspital Zürich.
Superior University is probably associated with more than one hospital in the state. So Superior University Hospital, Old Quarry Campus. Chuckles & Sheila would both be proud. You could even justify a higher density office tower next to the site for administration & research.
Could be terrible as an advice, but maybe to give the road that in theory is only for ambulances, maybe they could be bus roads. If im not wrong emergency veicles can run on those. Maybe with better buldozer the " bus" sign on the road can be removed. I could be totally wrong but i think its a nice detail! Amzing video as always. ( sorry for bad english)
Here in the Grand Rapids MI area we have a hospital that made a mixed use development around the hospital. It’s called The Village at U of M Health West. That’s how I envision suburban hospitals.
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The county needs a replacement quarry. Aggregate is now extremely expensive!!! Please help. Construction costs have tripled 😢
Completely agree! We need more rural builds in general.... hmmm...
@@CityPlannerPlaysi second the rural builds! More farms to replace some of the ones that have been lost!
"A gravel pit can be as lucrative as a gold mine." -Me (with little experience in gravel mining)
Speaking on behalf of the local FFA. Our communities are STRUGGLING with the new development without any expansion of our rural communities. Farmer's markets are barren. Ive lived for 55 years in MC and its sad to watch my community spend all day inside on their phones instead of mucking stables like i used to do when i was kid. It builds character!
i agree there is also a lack of good paying Freight for the railroad to haul, if you dont find a use for it we might just have to sever the old routes.
Regards, The Superior & Chicago Railroad
I for one think it's very sad how the hospital has no garden or park area. There's nowhere for patients to take a recuperating stroll anywhere on the campus. A parking facility should be put up instead of so much asphalt parking, and a small and navigable park put in its place.
You could name the entire neighborhood after the hospital, since it's such a landmark building - St. Anne's or somesuch.
We'll get that fixed! Great point
@@CityPlannerPlaysthere are paths around the office and that pond. I think that is pretty alright for the US
@@CityPlannerPlaysi dont expect for you to change this now, but I would've built the hospital across the road on the lake. It would be nice scenery for the patients to look at.
I agree! The two strips of parking roads to the right of the ambulance entrance way should go. And that whole area could be a beautiful park area with a nice pond.
@@amshermansen the church I live by in Munich is called St. Anna lol
One of the things i find absolutely hilarious about your videos, Phil, is whe you say you shouldnt let perfect be the enemy of good, but in the background Perfect is declaring a crusade on Good.
Good is a part of Perfect's perfectly balanced breakfast
8:22 The hospital costed the county twice the money it should've have. Is the governer involved with embezzlement?
Haha, someone has to go down for this!
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence. We've had a few projects like that in my part of the world which are being scaled back following a change of government... rightly or wrongly, the new crowd has very little tolerance for cost overruns.
Jesus, that hospital has more parking area than Disneyland. Also in my country, public hospitals tends to be surrounded by a park, houses and some shops... hospitals employees likes to live near them.
The hospital that me and my parents would occasionally go to had its own parking garage and had like 12 floors in the hospital itself. You could never just enter and stay on "floor 5" for anything in that building.
a reason almost no one was using your parking lots is that they can't get out of the middle sections because there are no crosswalks.
*facepalm*... i think you might be right about that. I'll dump a bunch of low income housing nearby to test it out. That is my fudging solution.
@@CityPlannerPlays yup your cims can't even walk on onto the streets because since you removed "all" crosswalks, they can't get in our out, no pathfinding
You can see (during the city tour) they are using the middle section as well.
@@CityPlannerPlaysuse a shoulder, they walk on them too, like alleys
I think now it might be time to up the density in downtown Bend again.
Something to consider for the hospital campus: not sure how it is in other countries, but here wherever there's a fairly big hospital you will also find an apartment building or two within walking distance. They're mostly occupied by healthcare workers at the hospital (for those who don't want to have to commute/drive home after working a long shift). Also available for people from out of town who are there for outpatient treatments that have multiple sessions over the course of several weeks.
Absolutely fantastic point. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I added apartment by one but not the other. Will get that added!
@@CityPlannerPlays Being a healthcare worker is thirsty work , living in the dormitory i would be asking where is the nearest bar with a happy hour
To piggyback on your point... Near me in the US state of GA, a hospital of that size would also generally have more medium density (3, 4, 5 or maybe even 6 stories) office buildings for various specialist dr offices.... like the hospital near me has things like neurologist offices and whatnot within walking distance (heck, some are even closer). I can't speak for the rest of the US or world though, that's just what I'm used to.
Yep, I can definitely image that two sections of carpark on the side to be turn into two apartment buildings.
Could be mixed use as well to get some synergy going between staff, visitors and residents. Especially as the farmland surrounding the hospital is redeveloped.
I can see the hospital having a fairly generic official like Paradise General Hospital but with the nickname of "The Chuckles House"
I don't know if this exists in the US, but all over europe there are "Ronald McDonald Houses", which provide housing close to speciality hospitals for critically ill children as a charity, so parents and siblings can live close to their ill family member. It is always quite jarring imagining the borderline-creepy clown from a damn burger chain, of all things, being associated with a charity for sick and dying kids and their families (the McDonald's company actually co-founded and finaces the charity). The name "The Chuckles House" immediately invoked this image in me.
I both love that and find the name terrifying, haha!
@@QemeH These exist in the US as well! I stayed in one as a child when I needed a surgery at LA Children's Hospital but I wasn't critically ill and it wasn't required that I be for us to stay there. I assume it depends on how much space they have at the ronald mcdonald house but I know that it was also income based so lower income families would be able to stay somewhere affordable near the hospital.
@QemeH they exist in Canada and the US
I think since it's a University Hospital, it should be called a Teaching Hospital! And not a General Hospital :)
I think that way of building an office park was great! It’s a city planning simulator, the planner doesn’t decide every building that will go somewhere. It also just feels much more like your actually PLAYING THE GAME when you let buildings spawn in and work with what you get. It just feels so much more fun, imo!
Certainly more my style! Glad that you liked it, too!
Opens UA-cam, sees this video, "Posted 35 seconds ago" Hell yea! Great timing.
I got it 12 min ago. But, I got here anyway.
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@@Jumayah96 Spooky, isn't it?
I know we plan these sort of things diffrently over here but i feel like a hospital would usualy have a parking garage and the other land used for development as it is relatively valuable
Agreed. Agreed, especially if it's built over a quarry that was filled in!
And hospitals *never* have as much parking as they actually need... they're always traffic hotspots from all the cars queuing outside.
Q: Where should the cars go when people are in the hospital (working, visiting, being treated)?
European Answer: Underground, multi-tier structure, improved public transport, comprehensive bike network, ...
US Answer: We can't drive up or down ramps, actually...
[Also - as a paramedic, I have to tell you: Changing the pull-through ambulance bay to a backing-in garage is a major PITA. Please don't ever do this if you're ever ask to actually plan an emergency departement...]
I think that the backing in garage is supposed to be just for storage and the bay to pick up or drop off people
We in the USA know how to go up & down ramps.
@@jonathanflugge3557 you do, but there’s a tendency to just spray flat parking lots everywhere, even when a multi level car park would be better.
As an example of clever use of a multi-level car park, aside from the benefit of reduced floor area, my city hospital has a multi level facility attached to the side of the main building. It allows there to be dedicated spaces for dialysis patients to park on the floor where they receive their treatment. Unless it is full, you can therefore park on the same level as your appointment, which is fantastic for wheelchair access. In addition, the hospital has its own well connected bus terminal so you can get there in no more than 2 busses. It was mentioned by another commenter, but the hospital in this episode would do better with more compact parking and a space for recreation in its place, which would include a small shopping area, cafe, parkland for rehab and mental wellness, and small accommodations for long stay patients and/or staff.
This hospital has more parking than an NFL stadium. I’ve never seen this much parking at a hospital
It's pretty accurate for a suburban hospital complex, especially for those without parking garages
You're expecting sick people to get off the bus and walk all the way across the parking lot to the hospital! The bus should stop right outside the entrance.
Was about to comment this, every big hospital I've seen (in the UK) has the bus stopping right outside the entrance.
@@aaronplace I just checked my local major hospital. Google says a walk of 160m from the bus stop to emergency which is too far.
17:59 The hospital build kind of proves we need medium density office zoning in game. Directly related to that hospital there would be at least one 3-5 story administrative building, another 3-5 story building for doctors offices/sports medicine/outpatient surgeries, and probably a 2-4 story building for a combo pediatric center and urgent care.
That hospital has an ABSURD amount of parking it is really painful. Make it stop!
The ambulance loading in from the parking lot is absolutely insane. It needs a dedicated entry from a place where there aren't that many people walking. Preferrable from the back from a side road that only allows emergency vehicles.
You'd hate to see the layout of my city's hospital.
This is sometimes not possible. the University of Alberta Hospital has a huge parking lot surrounding its ambulance ingress area and it's kinda gross. It is in a very built up area mind you, and has been upgraded over the decades, but still.
@@netsquall True, but it's most definitely possible here as it was planned in a clear area.
@@Zyo117 I probably would, where would that be? I am curious now.
The Health Sciences Centre at Memorial University of Newfoundland is the main hospital, St. Clare's Mercy Hospital is the other. St Clare's is ancient and downtown, so I can ignore the terrible layout, but the HSC is much newer and is absolutely surrounded by parking lots, with a single 2lane loop road around for access to all parking, emergency, and non-emerg entrances
25:09 The word is “Deprecated” (“Dep-re-ca-ted”) not “Depreciated” 😅 I used to mix those two words up all the time and it drove my dad insaaaaane
If you turn off Terrain Shadows in the advanced graphics settings, it removes those horrible shadows near the retaining walls!
I had them off but my settings keep resetting. Have a couple ideas to make that stop...
Love the video Phil ❤ your creativity with making these towns fit and grow together always amazes me!
Thank you for toning down the music swell slightly, it feels less overbearing now when you stop talking ❤ (and i love groovin with gary too!)
Thank you!! And I'm glad that this is better! I boosted my audio by a couple db and calmed down the volume increases.
12:21 I think it'd be nice if the ambulance road used public transit lanes (game's equivalent of BRT lanes) both to show that they are exclusive to ambulances and to stop cars cutting through
That's a fantastic idea! I'll do that!
I think the area around the hospital should be named Timmon's Quarry. Officially because it was built on the old quarry but unofficially because of the disagreement between Timmons and Johnson. I think Chuckles would approve of the wordplay.
i think you should have left that stop u removed from the teal route to allow people to change lines directly from the teal line to the red line
Bro, these openings are just getting better and better! LETS GOOO!
Thank you!! Just getting started!
Ngl I kinda hate the barely offset ramps for the highway interchange. Just looks wrong to me and a left onto a highway with no signal gives me the willies
Amen
I came here to say the same thing.
I feel like it would be appropriate to have a hotel of some kind next to the hospital. Since it's a regional facility, it would likely have specialized care and cater to extended stay patients. Visiting families would need a place to sleep that isn't a waiting room couch.
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"Chuckles Memorial Hospital Complex" would be a cool name
But Chuckles isn't dead, say it ain't so!
@@Zyo117 didn’t know it was only for dead people. We never use that kind of naming in Norway
Lmao the Mark Cuban meme ticker was a nice touch.
Glad you caught that one, haha!
Finishing off my birthday with a Magnolia County video is literally the best thing that could've happened! I'm so excited!! ☺
My personal experiences with regional hospital campuses in my part of the Midwest (Minnesota) is that often times they'll have hotel services very close by to provide for people who have to travel from out of area to the hospital. Older, more established campuses I've noticed also tend to have independent spiritual buildings in the neighborhood as well.
That many parking spots out in the open looks silly, a parking building would look neater.
I think part of the reason the hospital's parking lot is empty is because of the crosswalk removal, making many of the parking spaces unreachable and unconnected to the hospital.
Hi Chuckles!
Hospital name: Superior-Plainview Teaching Hospital - Seeing as it's an extention of the University it makes sense to name it after it. Kinda taking from House MD's ficticious Princeton-Plainsborough Teaching Hospital with this one. If you look at the Princeton campus and where the hospital technically would be if it existed, it is quite rural surrounding it! Very similar actually.
Office Zone: Stone Quarry Business Park (or Office Park)- relating to its prior quarry history perhaps?
I absolutely love all the storytelling you do along with your city, it makes it feel SO much more "real".
Sheila Johnson is amazing. Only took her a few days to force the governor to start building a hospital.
Absolutely love seeing a new update. Just had something I wanted to point out right quick. It has been my experience that large hospitals have at least one or two parking garages. I also think the medical University would look good close to the new hospital.
Great video as always, but removing handicapped parking at a hospital is wild
Every hospital I have ever been to has had parking for emergency patients right next to the emergency room entrance. A person could bleed out walking those football fields of parking before they even got to the door.
Phil, you removed all the disabled parking...from a hospital! Also AIUI the ambulance drop-off lane is typically a through roadway so they can unload & go without having to turn around.
I've been hoping to see a hospital come to the county since the University was built so this was very gratifying! In my experience as the child of two hospital workers, a parking lot like the one that comes with the asset would often be for staff, especially doctors on call to be able to enter the hospital efficiently-seeing car access to the ER bay removed as part of it also seems wrong, though it presumably doesn't impact the functionality of the building at all in game. I agree with other commenters that some more amenities like hotels and housing in the area would be reasonable additions to the campus. A more urban hospital might not be able to have great park space nearby but this feels like a great location to get some green space right next door.
Frank "Moon-boy" Holmes, that local hippy, is dropping by the Mayor's office in Bend -- saying, "Hey, guys ... look, if you're taking care of the city, you should really think about some community garden or food forest space in front of that shiny new clinic, you know? Like, having a food forest for that nice affordable housing where folks can get good, fresh food can also keep them out of that clinic for the preventable stuff, you dig? It'd be radical in the best of ways, right? Righteous ..."
In honor of spooky month, "The Chuckles Asylum" would be a great name for the hospital
I do enjoy your series - prefer it to live chat - fun to watch as you creatively design your cities - thanks mate
I'm sooo happy that you are back to these story vignettes. They are so interesting.
2 years from now this series will be a full blown Drama-Politics-City-Planning-TV-Show.... and i love it! Keep it up! ❤
Hi Phil, I live in a town with quarries, and repurposed ponds made on what was before a quarry tend to have extremely sharp edges and tend to be really deep.
You could say that, in grading the field of the former quarry for the hospital, that pond what was left, but it should be deeper and sharper.
Also, given the fact that it was a former quarry, Quarry General could be a name that Chuckles might like.
Oh, and also, quarries tend to be rockier terrain, so it shouldn't be that green.
You could change the color of the hospital with recolor! I always thought the generic CS2 hospital colors were very bright and clean.
Parking is very valuable of course and for a car centric NA build it makes sense, but there’s really a lot of parking lol, especially for there being such excellent transit options nearby. Maybe consider adding a taxi stop as well! Awesome video!
Chuckles is giving me the “ put the lotion in the basket “ vibes . Quarry springs to honor the old quarry .
Another superb video, thank you Phil! Watching you do these builds and listening to your voice really helps me calm down after a long day, and also it's really helpful when insomnia and anxiety kicks in. I feel grateful for your content 🙏🙏🙏
Such a great build!!
I’m glad to see you becoming more parking conscious, it makes the builds feel so much more realistic!!
Chuckels! For the Hospital: Superior Regional Medical Center. For the neighborhood: Quarry Valley.
I agree in reducing the hospital parking and adding a park. Healing parks are very popular on MC campuses. The offices are very realistic for large medical centers. Off campus private medical offices for specialists and rehabs are EVERYWHERE near large facitities! Might want to add another path in between the offices on the main road to get better pedestrian connectivity.
One of our large hospitals has a bus station that is hugely busy. It also has it's own post office!
The location of the hospital in the middle of a bunch of farmland makes it ideal for having an extensive Equine-Assisted Therapy department.
All in favor? All against?
The neighs have it.
I appreciate your attention to detail. I dont watch any other cities skylines content creators anymore, but you bring a certain flare to it that keeps it interesting 😀 Keep up the good work 😀
this is awesome! doesn't seem like there's anything in the way of accommodation near the new hospital though, which would seem bizarre given that it's a regional facility. Perhaps a hotel, motel and apartment building nearby could help solve the issue for patients' families coming from out of town to visit. That would cover all price brackets and airbnb
Governor's Hill STILL HAS NO BOAT LAUNCH!!! How am I going to get my boat into the lakes?!
It might be worth considering moving the bus station from the shopping center to the hospital campus. I'm living in Europe now and large hospitals around here tend to also be major nodes in the transit system, which makes sense if you think about how you want the hospital to be as easily accessible as possible for the highest number of people. It probably wouldn't detract too much to convert some of the parking to a station for the local bus lines to interchange, and maybe eventually extend the tram out that way.
Since TIMMONS and CHUCKLES both made this a reality, perhaps it should be called King Timmons Medical Campus as it also is part of the university?
16:40 I really like this rationale for this play style. The buildings growing in zoned areas are like building applications. You as the planner are trying to make them work in their local context. I might adopt this approach in my future builds.
Come on Phil, extra office parking next to the biggest parking lot in town? Add a path between offices and hospital. Done. Makes it easier to bike too. People also wouldn't have to drive if public transit was better. I still say expand the tram to the target-like store (tram depot is right there, the dead heading could turn useful). Maybe turn the tram in at the Switch-On factory along the arterial-to-be, and loop at the hospital, or maybe onwards along the coast where you removed bus stops? That'd open up a ton of valuable land use. The pond is a nice touch. :)
I have worked on a parking study for a Hospital. In my experience, they don't want to share their parking with other parcels and uses. And it's the city's responsibility to make sure each parcel can realistically serve their own parking demands on their parcel because you never know what the neighboring parcels will look like in the future. Public transit and active transportation infrastructure is great but the amount and distribution of parking feels quite realistic.
I really like that new pond. That is a nice pond
maybe i’m used to fairly urban hospitals but i feel like most similar hospitals would have overground parking structures no?
Hearing you passionately talk about having to burn the bodies faster reminded me of a famous painter.
@@milseq I choked on my coffee reading this comment. 💀
The side of the interchange with two ramps should probably be combined, or at least made into a supernode. Having two crossings that close together would likely needlessly create traffic there once the volume grows. Maybe take a little bit of eminent domain from the park there to shift the offramp to align with the onramp? It would also make the left turn movement onto the highway a lot safer given that it would then be signalized.
There used to be a big hospital one town over from me. It had major flood damage to one section a few years ago. Instead of just repairing that section, the company that owns it decided to tear down the entire hospital and build a new one. It was supposed to be done by this year. But, due to numerous problems, it is unclear if it will even be done before the end of the decade.
33:49 The residentals of Voyageur Passage won't very happy that they've lost a large chunk of their bus service.
Phil - this is my world! I have so many things to say about this build, on the macro level. I would love to help you optimize your healthcare system, especially from the EMS/trauma perspective. I’ve been in the EMS world for 15 years. I’d love to help!
They quarried that entire area just to cover the materials needed for that hospital parking lot. Jesus.
A major Medical Center, like this would have a large parking deck rather than expanded ground level parking to facilitate ease of access to the main building, especially in cold weather climates
Not the biggest fan of getting rid of all the parking near the ER. A lot of patients are driven by private cars to the ER when it's not an emergency that requires an ambulance (or when ambulances have a reputation in the area of being slow/late). Having at least a bigger drop-off area would be a good consideration.
I love your commitment to telling the story of this municipality! It's really such an interesting and unique genre of storytelling that really sets your videos apart from other creators. I'd love to see your take on doing this sort of thing with Timberborn or another series because it really is just very interesting to watch! So thanks for all the things internet man! Keep on it! It's great. 😊👍
I think our boy chuckles would appreciate Quarry Park as a suitable name!
I think it would be wise to replace side parking of hospital with some sort of park. You know, patients of hospital needs some place to walk and rest outside.
Six Flags Fiesta Texas in San Antonio used to be a limestone quarry, so repurposing the pit for the hospital is a great call!
Oh that's super cool! I'm going to look that up!
It wouldn't be a CPP build if there wasn't a metric boatload of parking in a rural area, and barely a parking pittance near endless rows of high density housing. Never change.
I enjoyed this build. I hear what people are saying about the parking lot for the hospital. The one thing I would add would be a path between the hospital and the commercial/office zone. ATM people would have to walk all the way around (someone already mentioned the issue with the lack of crossings as well)
Outstanding video quality, the TV report was fun to read and really builds the lore for the series! 👍🏻
Hey CPP, at the interchange, the road between the two offramps looks like it is very inefficient and dangerous. It requires vehicles to make multiple stops before being able to turn onto river street or enter the offramp. I would suggest adding a roundabout (maybe turboroundabout) to increase traffic flow and reduce possibilities of dangerous situations occuring. The factory would also benefit from having this interchange be safer because semi-trucks entering and leaving the area would not require to make multiple full stops that, with their long braking zones and slow acceleration, can cause traffic holdups and dangerous traffic conditions.
woke up to a new MC vid! What a delight!
I liked the parking and circulation pattern that came with the hospital. It can act as parking for the hospital staff. Can you please bring that back
I've only started the video, but I've already got to say that thoughtful redevelopment is fun to watch in general!
Now, how about the Elementary schools? May need to check to see if there are areas where there is low school capacity compared to population and disperse them around (before building more residential, which will need it's own additional school support)
You mentioned that you want to serve the hilltop with either trolleybuses or trams and I'm here to tell you that getting a tram up there is very difficult. The reason diesel buses struggle on slopes is power to weight ratio, but trams struggle because their wheels have less friction than rubber-tired vehicles and can start sliding downhill if not designed properly. It's rare for adhesion railways to run at higher than 5% slope, although there are a few trams that go up to 7% or even a little higher (Portland's light rail is one example, and San Fransisco Muni has a section of 9.1%). I'd stick to 7% as a maximum, and obviously wherever possible you want to be below 4%
Fleet farm!? Gosh, I missed out on stopping there when we were in MN last year. Really wanted to stop in.
Hopefully, City Skylines adds some marina assets soon. It strikes me as odd that Magnolia County is on Lake Superior and doesn't have any infrastructure for recreational boating.
TBH I'm really excited by the thought of intensification of the region. As a series winds up, the city should (hopefully) look like a utopia of good city planner choices.
The Citizens of Lakeview finally, FINALLY have something for connection on the docket :')
i love the high attention to detailing!! all the rocks and bushes really make the whole place come alive and it just makes me so happy ahha
Great episode! Love the new housing development near the clinic, super cool
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Huge hospital carpark hardly utilised, tiny carparks around clinic absolutely jam packed.
Healthcare is so important for a community. Really excited for this improvement. !engagement
Chuckles would Name the Hospital: Superior Univerisity Hospital, because he had a really bad skiing accident on his Switzerland Skiing trip when he was younger and got amazing treatment in the Univerisitätsspital Zürich.
Superior University is probably associated with more than one hospital in the state. So Superior University Hospital, Old Quarry Campus. Chuckles & Sheila would both be proud. You could even justify a higher density office tower next to the site for administration & research.
Always a great day when a cs2 video comes up 🎉 I just don’t have the patience to detail the way you do to make my cities come alive
Ok, the production value on this is getting really, really good. Keep it up fam!
Could be terrible as an advice, but maybe to give the road that in theory is only for ambulances, maybe they could be bus roads. If im not wrong emergency veicles can run on those. Maybe with better buldozer the " bus" sign on the road can be removed. I could be totally wrong but i think its a nice detail! Amzing video as always. ( sorry for bad english)
Here in the Grand Rapids MI area we have a hospital that made a mixed use development around the hospital. It’s called The Village at U of M Health West. That’s how I envision suburban hospitals.
I absolutely cannot wait for the next MPM album to get released. You're teasing some absolute bangers!!!
Oh my goodness, the production value this episode 😍 wow!
CHUCKLES! Name the Hospital district St. Camillus which is the patron saint of healthcare workers, doctors, nurses and the sick.
25:15 the word is "deprecated", not "depreciated" 😂😂😂