Let's Fix Final Fantasy XV's Story
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2020
- Jacob picks up his hammer and strikes the ice-cold iron that is the discourse surrounding Final Fantasy XV. Just because a video was abandoned in 2017 doesn't mean it isn't good enough for 2020!
A re-post of the leak I mentioned in the video: / major_spoilers_i_stumb...
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Lol I thought this was blues clues for a second
I've suspected he is Steve's son for years. It's all lining up!
Jacob looks like a cross between Steve Burns and Drake Bell
I was thinking That 70s Show's Eric (Topher Grace)
Omg I was about to say This new Steve hitting them bottles hard 😭😭😭
Topher Grace mixed in with some Ben Shapiro and Steve from Blue's Clues
Noctis was like "My dad is dead... chocobos!".
“I’m sorry your dad died Noctus, that’s pretty harsh...can we ride the chocobos now?” -Prompto
That was the first thing in the game that really weirded me out, he's told his dad is dead and then promptly never mourns him, just is like "Okay let's go hang out"
Now I feel a bit bad how excited I got when the chocobos first came up lol
I really like this style of video, I've always been a fan of videos where people are sitting down and discussing whatever the topic of the video is, it's easier to digest and there's a certain informal friendly feeling to it
I wholeheartedly agree. And for my part, I wouldn't mind at all seeing more of these casual couch discussions.
It's like a podcast. I like to go for walks and put my phone in my pocket so I enjoy these types of videos.
@@noodlemaster100 Used to do the exact same thing while going to the park or beach. People would find me laughing suddenly out of nowhere but what the heck x)
if the interviews were to be believed. final fantasy XV or versus 13 was supposed to be split into three games where the first game would take place entirely during the invasion in insomnia. but for some reason they turned it into kingsglaive and have a random guy be the protagonist instead of noctis which i personally think is some of the worst decision the writer made.
just think about it, if noctis was present during the lucis invasion we could have got more scenes showing how close noctis and his dad was, or the romantic subplot between luna and noctis could be given more screentime.
I had the same thought when it came to the major characters. Put Regis in Luna's role and have him die at Altissia and put Luna in Ravus' role so she can serve as a reluctant antagonist closer to Stella.
Combine Luna, Ravus AND Aranea to make the reluctant secondary antagonist who used to be engaged to Noct and they have the conflicting feelings of being on opposing sides but still wanting to bang each other.
Thank god somebody finally "gets" ffxv's story. All the ancient god stuff really is background fluff and really doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things. It's the boyband roadtrip that should be the focal point, and any re-writes need to be in service of that. So many fan re-writes dont understand this at all.
I would have loved if they did still flesh that out well... And not a random Shiva retcon bullshit thing that retconed the best lore in the entire game like a focal focus just a nice addition to the world like that aweful platform cave of bullshit
I really liked this story re-write. Never even thought about the possibility of keeping King Regis and how much better it would have made the second half of the story feel.
As for what we can do with Luna, I do like Iris better as a love interest because she's got more personality and I'm a sucker for childhood friend romances. I once saw a re-write were someone made Luna Noct's older sister instead. And instead of it being Noct's wedding, it was his older sister's political wedding instead so the story of the road trip can still happen. Personally, Luna never felt like a lover for Noct to me, so her being more like family could work. And with her death along with Regis it could put even more urgency for Noctis to step up and become king because he's the only one left in the royal line.
I honestly felt like the writers weren't trying to convince me to give two shits about Luna. They absolutely did not develop her character.
I like Lunafreya where she's at, but they did drop the ball heavily on giving reason for the players to care for her and have Noctis go towards there to marry.
Yo where can I read this rewrite?😂😂
lordblazer
(That’s probably why they made her hella pretty)(and also made other characters tell us why she’s so special and awesome)
Striking while the iron is glacial, but perfect time for a replay I suppose lol
It's on gamepass, I might give it another shot but I didnt like the battle system plus that mechanic girl in the beginning had a gross costume so I stopped.
The Fighter the combat system is actually really impressive look up weapon swapping there’s a lot more to the combat than it seems
@@Extilium however it all ends up being unnecessary because the after game dungeons just one shot you and the combat devolves into spamming pheonix downs to get through. The combat system has many many flaws
@@grantgarbour I feel like that's less a problem with the combat system as much as a major flaw in damage calculations. The combat system does have flaws which culminates with being one-shot by an enemy due to damage calculations, but the fact that the game just devolves to warp-strike spamming once you get the DLC weapon or get late enough into the game doesn't help.
@@hobbyistkeita yeah and some enemy attacks just being straight up unavoidable and every enemy becoming a dmg sponge, I don't even know why I bothered getting max level lol
Funnily enough, I think my favourite story regarding Noctis and Regis comes in the Engine Blade description in Nier Automata (Engine Blade is a cameo weapon in Nier Automata). It shows how they love each other and want the same thing - spending time together, but cannot communicate it correctly.
I think its funny how some of ffxv story is in a diffrent game
Tbh luna and noct never felt like a real lasting relationship that would work in my mind
I really liked this. Not only were you spot on with the changes to XV, but also just a good relaxing video to listen to while working! Please continue to make these!
"Shoots Ardyn with a crossbow" I'm pretty sure that's Yozora's weapon.
I was really dreading this video when I saw you tweet that it's coming because like 99% of FFXV rewrites out there completely miss the point of the story and make it about some stupid ancient god battles. Needless to say, this was a pleasant surprise. I can't say I agree with all of it (kinda feel like you left out Ardyn out a bit too much since there was some interesting stuff with his parallels with Noctis), but overall, I think this is by far the best rewrite of FFXV I've seen. Fantastic stuff!
I think he left out Ardyn because he didn't have anything that he would change about him in the storyline, since imo they handled his parallels with Noctis pretty well in the base story, and most of Jacob's rewrite ideas wouldn't have touched that stuff :)
Does he include Dawn of The Future? Because that's the actual Game story ending but it never made it to the game...
@@byksEBM dawn of the future isn't meant to be the true ending of FFXIV. It's a alternate timeline/universe scenario
@@hendrex8285 Huh? "alternate" ending when it explains the FFXV logo, -> which every other Final Fantasy does in the game... The endings are one in the same because the one we got as well as the game was not fully finished and thus lacks explanation. (Noctis marries Luna... how?) - FFXV got shafted before during and after its release :(
@@byksEBM because everything in dawn of the future runs thematically against the story of XV and the literary legacy that it draws from. A story of fighting gods and changing fate is fundamentally incompatible with a greek tragedy.
Feels weird that XV came out 4 years ago already... And you're right, I did pretty much stop caring about it. It's a shame because, as you've already proven with this video, it had so much potential it's just sad they missed the mark.
As a now disilluioned fan seeing this and striking while it's even colder, I actually really liked this interpretation. Regis taking over Luna's role makes so much sense and carries an incredible armount more emotional impact that I'm convinced it was most likely written this way originally. No one really knows what Luna's role is. Stella is so far removed from the story by then but because they were stuck with her as a love interest in marketing materials. them having to make due also made a lot of sense. However, it leaves me wishing they really just had that extra time to iron things out or just have the courage to come out and say they're going to make drastic changes instead of this half trying to please the public and digging a bigger grave for themselves with each rewrite.
SInce you had to work with the limitations of using only the plot points presented in the game, I understand you had to stick with a lot of the rewritten material but I'm so interested to hear what you think the original plot would've been based on the old trailers up to that last Nomura directed trailer. Especially Cor and Ravus - they seemed so much more important to the story in the Versus trailers.
Excellent job. I was always puzzled how to fix the mess of FFXV when there are so many awkward parts.
What do you think about Bahamut now, after episode Ardyn?
Ironically, Regis's last few moments were with Nyx more than Noctis.
Good vid, I too love the change of giving Regis the “oracle” role and everything else you said. Only thing I would say different from you is instead of doing “and/or” with Iris and Luna just straight up combine them into one character (Gladio doesn’t need to a have a little sister it serves 0 purpose to the story). Luna’s personality was painfully bland and Iris while a fun character was useless, so making them one character would be the best of both worlds and would reinforce Luna’s healer role as presumably that’s what she would be doing in Lestallum (healing people) AND she’d get to be a party member. One other major change I would’ve done is made new and improved Iris-Luna the replacement 4th party member when Gladio leaves, and then made Aranaea a reoccurring boss fight throughout the game (could’ve easily replaced that random general in the mech suit you fight in Duscae with an Aranaea fight for example). She still can have her change of heart but it wouldn’t happen until Chapter 13 when she finally returns to Nifleheim chasing Noct and sees how everything has gone to shit with her own eyes, after which I’d have her link up with Gladio & Ignis after they get separated from Noct (which would also explain how they got out of there after Noct gets sucked into the crystal considering she has an airship). She then could become the new de facto leader of the choco-bros during the time skip considering her and pre-time skip Noct were more or less equals in combat. Everything else could play out exactly the same.
It’s sad that when you invested watching the movie, 5 episodes of brotherhood. And then later on they cancelled the rest of the DLC. It’s like a big middle finger to us fans.
Cutting the story apart and releasing the game in the state they did was the middle finger. Cancelling it was just an acknowledgement of guilt.
David Wilson Very well put m8, honestly 15 was such a disappointment, honestly the nicest looking FF game but the story was such a let down for this epic franchise :(
@@edenromanov I wouldn't say so from all of the info from the movie and anime and book and game were enough for understanding the story. And was very enjoyable. IMO Not saying it was perfect
@@edenromanov it wasnt perfect pacing is wrong certain exposition misplaced, absent, or just awkwardly long.
But it's still all there,the movie, anime, and books. If you dont want to see all those ,vids on the plot are there.
I subbed a few days ago thinking "I hope he makes longer stuff" so glad I did
"Iris and/or Luna, I love you!"
Plot twist, they're in a happy, loving polyamorous triad.
A revolution in the Final Fantasy world!
does that mean that Gladio/Ignis/Prompto are also a throuple?
Don’t answer. It does.
This isn't X-Men.....
That stella bottle burn 🤣 I really like your version of the story and even the video format. Also cut the after life wedding? But Jacob we need to make the logoat the end make sense! Mmm here is a new logo for the new story just have it be noctis on the throne instead of "the mysterious lady sleeping"
I actually thought the ghost wedding was really emotional, in that Noctis finally got some peace after all he suffered and sacrificed. (If it was my script it would've been with Prompto but THAT'S another story)
@@jellosapiens7261 gay is better (especially that Noctis had better chemistry with Prompto than Luna or Iris imo)
the comedic timing on opening the bottle is so good, i love it
What did Gentiana do other than be Shiva?
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*Yeah so gameplay’s pretty much the same-*
well.. spoiler here but gentiana is actually the first oracle aka Era Nox Floreut who was made the messenger of shiva thru the crystal allegedly
Deus Games - ... yeah. Hm. That’s a lot. That’s a weird plot line. Maybe it’s a good thing they didn’t have time to put that in the main game.
"We'll cut Luna and replace her with Regis." 😏
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I havnt even watched it yet but jacob thank you for putting this out. Its rough out here lately and these deeper longer videos are always a great treat, especially from you. Stay safe jacob and I cant wait to watch this👌
Edit: I love to hear that persona music
I'm so happy you made this video. I loved the game but still thought it needed more, but I couldn't place my finger on where. You making this has made so much sense, and throughout I was like "oh yeah, that makes sense"
I liked the game a lot, but it feels too short and incomplete to me. I wish there were more open areas and like 10 more hours of story and gameplay.
Agreed. I played it during a time where I contemplated taking my life a lot and this game honestly got me through it so despite all of its glaring flaws, I adore it to pieces.
Wtf do you mean the game is waaaaaay to large
@@mateoo4669 I'm mean of additional story and new areas and scripted content. Not just side quests and dlc.
@@Mary-fy8qi Wow, that's amazing!
@@urmanascrewed Yeah :)
I'll always appreciate the well edited videos you put out but this is still a great format, my dude. Good to listen to while working/doing something else. Also pretty good rewrites, it's definitely more interesting than how the game actually turned out, and I still liked FFXV.
Can't believe that you actually both remembered, and bothered to talk about this game in 2020.... WELL better late than never i suppose!
welcome back!!! i miss you!!
Final Fantasy XV is one of my favorite games, and I don't know that I 100% vibe with some of the changes you've made, but this is the first video that I've seen from your channel - thanks, UA-cam front page algorithm! - and it was wonderful. You've clearly been thinking about this for a while, if on and off, and you presented it in a super engaging way. The only thing I'd like to contribute is that I think the points you outlined do all converge at the story of a boy becoming a man. In the final game, putting on the ring represents a lot of things, as you pointed out, but I think that's a good thing. It's the story of bad thing after bad thing happening to him until he can't pretend to be okay and he can't pretend to be capable, finally breaking on the train to Tenebrae. That scene of him finally putting on the ring is the culmination of overcoming the tragedies and baggage that had engulfed him, and finally stepping up to the plate to bat for the world. I liked it!
(AnHeiressofaSOLDIER here) I think I remember you telling me some of this on Twitter, when I asked you what your thoughts on Luna and the Noctis and Luna romance in FFXV. And I liked your idea there, but hearing you talk about everything like this REALLY sells me on it. I really feel all of this would have made XV a bit less messy and its themes more clear. Great job, Jacob!
- I'd have removed the love story, the Empire and its war, and make the daemons the antagonistic force.
- I'd have kept Ardyn and story connecting the demons with the royal line.
- Highlight the relationship between father and son through flashbacks or by meeting people from the past journey of Regis,
- Have Noctis journey be about collecting the swords so he can control the power of the crystal and replace his father.
- His weakened father is killed in the meantime (while Noctis is fishing or taking pictures) by a strong daemon attack, shield fails, Lucis is destroyed. Daemos are fixated on Lucis because there's somehing there, maybe buried.
- Find out the truth of the daemos + Ardyn, why collect swords, the crystal, etc.
- You can either keep the "Calm" plot from FFX and have the King die (slowly by the crystal) so daemos go away for 10 years or go with "fight against fate" and kill the gods behind the daemons. Maybe have all the spirits of the kings of old help out.
- Luna, Bikini Cid, Arenea, the Kingsglaive and what not can stay as supporting cast, maybe even join in a few battles.
The Persona 3 music honestly made me subscribe m8, that alone tells me you’re a man of culture 😎
"We meet up with Hillary Clinton" gets me every time 😂
I like your idea because it's bold. However I disagree about luna. Leave it the same and have Luna help his father speak to the gods and have them both die in the city. That way you don't throw away their childhood thing. So it's a doublewammy
I'm writing this before I watch this.
But one (of many) issues for me was the lack of King Regis and him being sidelined to Kingsglaive. He definitely should've been more of a presence in this game, and I think some of what happens in Kingsglaive should've actually taken place in the game.
I think there should've been more of a Final Fantasy X type take on the story, with there being tension in the gang between adhering to tradition and seeking to break it. And the story being this constant tension of Noctis wanting to find another way to break tradition, but also knowing what his bloodline means, and realising that there's too high a price for everybody to pay for him not making the sacrifice. And in the midst of this we start to see Noctis resent his father and reconcile with how he feels about his death, knowing that his father destined him to die from the moment he was born.
Other stuff? Lunafreya was just trash. The world was too barren to justify the size of it.
Good point about the order of regis death within the narrative. Timing important deaths is key. Imagine if aris was killed and then the party immediately goes off to play mini games at the Golden saucer.
FUCK YEAH JACOB! This is the overly analysed, thoroughly researched shit I subbed for!
Bro years ago you were the MAN for FFXV news back when Square wouldn’t say anything about it thank you for those memories
One thing you didn’t mention about one of the devs that came out and said their stuff was the mention of Lupus the name given to ravus prior to him becoming ravus. When the game came out on PC and people datamined the files there were files that mention a character of lupus which had only been mentioned by those people on the post so it’s very interesting to think about
my only gripe with the suggested change is, wouldn't the inlcusion of [insert love interest] into the party come into conflict with the bromance and roadtrip theme of the game?
I wouldn't know how to rewrite it, but I had a thought that maybe "New Game +" could have been Noctis going back in time to the beginning to fix the events of the story to have a happy ending that results in the throne ending with Noctis and Luna.
New Game + reminds me of Three Houses 😂 but yeah that'd be a great idea.
At the end, I think Noctis and Luna getting married was due to the events of Dawn of the Future (the book)... But yeah, it's criminal what happened to FF15, they really should revisit the story when the dust settles
I really appreciated this. I enjoyed this game a lot for what it was, despite its many missing pieces. Really enjoyable characters carrying a half-made story. Thinking about what could have been in this discussion-y way was really fun.
So this is basically the Roxas Rewrite treatment.
I love the idea that responsibility separates them rather than death
Brooooo.
Welcome back!
But what would be the reason for Noctis to leave Insomnia before the invasion if not for political marriage? His dad is still there with him, and Noctis is shown to have doubts about Niflheim's peace negotiations. Of course, we may assume that Regis just wanted to keep Noctis out of the harm's way when the ceremony does happen, so he gave him a superficial reason to keep him occupied and away from the city. But what would prevent Noctis from going back to Insomnia, when he hears the news that it's being invaded and that his father may be dead? He may hear from someone that Regis is, in fact, still alive and is taking refuge in Altissia, but that has to happen right after he hears the news about Insomnia's invasion to actually establish the motive of going to Altissia and not returning to Insomnia right away. And besides, if everyone knew where the fleeing king of an invaded state was hiding, then that would destroy the purpose of hiding in the first place. Alternatively, at the beginning of the game, Regis could have just asked Noctis to go to Altissia and collect royal arms without explanation, but that would be boring from the player's perspective as there won't be stakes to do so. To make the story work, Noctis has to stay in Insomnia during the invasion and see Regis flee or die, and see the crystal being stolen in person. That would create stakes for him to leave Insomnia to go and reunite with his dad and retrieve the crystal. You know, the way the story was described in E3 2013 FFXV promotional material. Also, if Regis were to survive during the invasion, wouldn't it make more sense for him to reunite with his son on the road, or arrive later than him to Altissia? He doesn't have a magical teleporter to go to Altissia instantly and leaves Insomnia later than Noctis and gang. Sorry for bad English, not a native speaker.
That's not to say I particularly prefer VERSUS aspects over XV, on the contrary, I think some elements would have been considerably worse under Nomura, but the whole political marriage thing and Luna's role were one of the weakest points of XV, but also the essential ones, by removing which so many story details have to be completely changed (Ravus's story, for example), so it would be better to just rewrite it from scratch. Honestly, FFXV writers have written themselves into a corner, where they have plot points that actively damage the story, slight changes to them make the story fall apart and they can't take them out completely, because they've already shown them to the public.
That seems like quite the problem with no apparent solution... Except they have been cutting and rewriting story parts, redesigning the characters and changing their roles left and right! Not only that, but they've been announcing each change publicly, with people actually ENCOURAGING them to change things. There would have been no problem to cut the existing characters and put in others, cause they've already done so! Tabata was also inconsistent throughout the development: first he was saying that none of the elements of VERSUS would be removed and Nomura left when the entire scenario has already been written, then he says that there were no scenario at all and there were only concepts with no relation to each other. After release he says that it was too difficult for them to implement the character-switching mechanic and it would have cost them another year of develolment, then they release character-switching a month later.
The development of FFXV is still a mystery to me.
By the way, if anybody actually read all that, which I doubt it, there is a Nomura interview around 2017-2018 where he talks about creating E3 2013 FFXV Reveal Trailer.
I think the interview was mostly about KH, but there is a part where he's asked about the way his team creates trailers for their games. Citing the aforementioned trailer as an example, he says that he works on them personally and includes stuff that he, as a player, would be excited to see.
If anyone knows where this interview could be found, please let me know.
@@liberty1827 I would also like to know!
You need to do more of these videos!!!! Different games and even movies would work!
Hi Jacob! Just to let you know I also followed Final Fantasy XV (due to Versus XIII), it is still stuck in my head even after playing it from Day 1. I like the videos you made talking about XV, just cause I can't let it go. If you make anymore XV content, you still got me as a viewer ;) (Also also, yes I did know that was a Stella :") I miss her...)
Are you going to follow up on Varum Rex?? (HIGH probability that it is Versus XIII... )
Awesome video! And I don't mind this layout!
Kind of silly to comment on such an old video but this was a really good bit of revision. Shockingly good given how little was changed and how much of the ending was basically retained as is. Though I'd probably take the Luna>Eris version of the story, as I think the Luna version is personally more interesting to me than yet another love story that hits the, "King disapproves of love interest of prince who wants to marry for love," angle.
Hey, Jacob. Loved the video and I enjoyed 15 for what it was (also played it with a friend).
Will you be doing any videos about FF7 Remake?
Thanks steve from blues clues
One of my biggest "fails" was definitely the antagonistic plot and/or the "problem" that the story was trying to address. The plague? The apocalypse? Ardyn? Plague + apocalypse + Ardyn? The lore was confusing and much of the backstory was heavily underdeveloped... By the end of the game i was like, "so much happened, but at the same time Idk what just happened"
This rewrite would make much more sense lol.
I judge people based on their review on FFXV.
Legit, my biggest issue with FFXV’s narrative was the shoehorning of a female romantic interest when the game absolutely 100% did not need her. It is aggressive how blatantly she is an afterthought to the overarching narrative and it honestly severely dilutes a lot of the game’s depth. The idea of replacing Luna with Regis is actually brilliant; Insomnia could have fallen with Regis escaping instead of dying (not much about Kingsglaive would have had to change to facilitate this), and the focus of the first half of the game shift to trying to rendezvous with him while being on the run. If you MUST reintegrate her into the plot in some minor role then that’s fine, but honestly we need to normalize not having forced hetero romances in games, especially RPGs. Far too many games nowadays have romances shoved into the foreground when it’s clear that they’re doing it purely out of a sense of obligation to have one. Hell, it would have been infinitely more interesting if they had just framed the circumstance as a purely political marriage instead of trying so desperately, and utterly failing, to convince the audience that they actually liked each other romantically despite having basically zero one-on-one interaction as adults. Instead of mourning the loss of Noctis’ “lover”, they could have just mourned the senseless loss of life, amplified by the elevated importance of her social role as a “healer.”
well i mean regis didnt die until the ring was completely gone.. so he was with noctis at the end lolz as for Luna she also for some reason wasn't killed but made a messenger of the gods tho like gentiana she doesn't have no physical form and can only appear to a select few.
She basically got the Kairi treatment from Kingdom Hearts
Spartan 69 except kairi and Sora’s relationship is actually present. We know how important kairi is to sora and how much kairi wants to be with sora. So we know where they stand with one another. It’s very blatant and clear since the first game. With Noctis and Luna, there was nothing on either of their parts for the romance to be an actual thing
You did great in detailing a very complex rework with the same materials. Just makes me think. They had all the elements. The time lost in confusion and unknown direction really hurt what had all the potential to be something truly special. They could have built some Regis weilding the ring and noct kinglaive insomnia siege gameplay that would have really set the tone and shown their power while strengthening the dynamic you explained
This is my first time seeing your face after watching Research Runs and I have to say that you look exactly like what I thought you would after hearing your voice.
So I never really understood why Noctis had to die at the end, can anyone explain to me why?
What do you think of dawn of the future with Bahamut as the big bad
Hey Jacob, just letting you know I care! Great video!
I tried to avoid clicking this video because even 4 years later I'm not fully recovered from the disappointment I had with the lost potential in this game. I also happen to hate these types of theoretical what-if videos, because I know they'll never get made and most of them are stupid anyway. That said, this was truly a smart fix for almost all the problems I have with the story. Hats off to you! All of them. I really wanted them to play the father-son angle a lot more and this would've fit perfectly. So sad none of it will ever come true...
holy shit, i haven't seen this channel in years
Maybe you could explain it. I completely lost track of what's happening due to hours of side questing.
Before I watch your video I want to bring up how the royalty has to go to temples to power up. If I remember correctly? If I rewrote it I would have made it so that in the beginning the main character tries to get the items nearby since they are already in the families posession in an aircraft of some sort. The bad guys attack the aircraft in the begining of the game and so the journey starts by having the characters trying to get these items. I found this is better than the items being in a temple.
i'm mostly agree with your version. and to point it out, noctis in the trailer from E3 2013 did mention that they'll be reunited with regis in a place called Iam. I think ib the original story, noctis and his friends come back during the invasion of insomnia, and then probably fighting head on with ardyn/ravus, ans then he has the sense of urgencies to be take back his kingdom and inherit the power of the kings. along the way, similiar to ffxv now, he discover in order to gain more power, he needed to obtain the swords of the Lucis kings and the power of the six (?). idk if meeting luna/stella still occur in altissa, but the fight with leviathan said something i guess... and yeah, i think the main focus of what i should be is to becoming the true king, father and son bonds, and the brotherhood. a sprinkle of romance should suffice, or at least, the potentioal romance could develop like you said. great video btw, it made me think deep lol
Well...that was a video that Jacob made, and I did enjoy it to a certain extent.
Ok I’m not gonna lie I was skeptical going in but now I literally cannot stop thinking about this video. This is literally exactly the game I wanna play. This is beautiful. I’m like. Getting choked up.
old story i guess but considering the quality of your video and language i thought u had 10x that subscribers, great work
What did Gentiana do other than be Shiva?
Photo bombing duh!
“Shanks Regis”
That took me a minute...
Somewhere an alternate universe exists where this is the real Final Fantasy 15... I’m sad.
I’ve waited for this forever, except I didn’t know I wanted it bc I haven’t played this game
But it’s Jacob so it’s good
You had me at "you are the man now, dogg." XD
Regis: Okay, Son. *Cracks open a cold one*
i enjoyed the video and find it an interesting redesign. but if you don't have a full comprehension of what the original story was then your claim to editing it is diminished. the problem of ffxv was less in its story and more in its presentation. there's tons of theories and explanation videos that go deeper into what the actual story is, as well as the novel that came out after that concludes the story as well as clearing it up some. episode ignis is regarded as one of the best part of the game, so did yourself and your video a disservice not at least knowing it, or who gentiana was (pronounced gif not jif btw ftfy) but otherwise i think you did a good job
This was a good comment, thanks.
Noctis needed to sacrifice himself at the end and go into the afterlife to kill Ardyn was because Ardyn is immortal. Killing him normally wouldnt destroy him in the grand scheme of it all, he'd just come back. I think you might need to consider Ardyn just a little more, and his purpose/deal with bahamut. But I really liked some of the ideas you brought forth, it was a nice breath of fresh air whether I agreed with your points or not. Looking forward for more!
i legit just finished it yesterday this is too perfect
I did too after sooo many years. Now am on ff 13.
I just replayed FF15 a couple days ago and it's still a massive disappointment. The characters were great, probably some of the best in the series and there were moments of really amazing dialogue, but the pacing and the overall plot was truly awful. It makes things worse that I read the leaked story/concept for Versus 13 which could have made for one of the best plots in videogames, but a lot of it got scrapped. One example is Ravus' hatred for Noctis actually made sense. Noctis was possessed by the Crystal (which was actually an evil object) and in that dreamless state, Noctis killed Stella (original Luna). Ravus used dark magic to summon back his sister's ghost in order to haunt Noctis and seek revenge, which is why we saw in the early trailers of Noctis and Stella being forced to fight even though it looked like they didn't want to.
That sub-plot alone shows how much potential there was for Versus XIII, and instead we got this hot mess.
I saw XV as Noctis' "Final Fantasy" in that everything he wanted was just a fantasy that was ripped apart from him as he was forced to accept his impending death. I agree with all of your points and I think the game needed more editing story-wise. That being said I adore XV because it helped me stop myself from taking my life for a lot of personal reasons and for that, I'm sincerely grateful. Really good rewrite, I'd be down for this. I just wish I actually liked Iris she was super annoying haha.
Iris was annoying, but they alluded to her becoming badass "Daemon slayer Iris" in the end... So many flops on the story department
@@byksEBM Yeah, I just didn't think it made sense that she became such a badass Daemon slayer. Like sure, her bro really got her to fight maybe, but to become that good?? Idk haha
@@Mary-fy8qi I really hope they revisit FFXV sooner than later
@@byksEBM Same!!
@Tremayne Brown You really are a dick aren't you?
SHOWING U LUV BRO FROM MRS FUQUAS MASS COMM CLASS KEEP KILLING IT
Your story is better than the actual story lol
Anyway how would you change FFXs narrative?
The game was clearly an incomplete mishmash of different ideas and assets stapled together to meet a deadline. That's pretty bad, but I can forgive them. There's obviously a lot of talent here. Game dev is hard, sometimes things go wrong. That's not what worries me.
What worries me is that so few people seemed to care. This was a Final Fantasy game with maybe 25% of the story complete, a bunch of THAT carved out into DLC, and an entire mission devoted to a fucking Cup Noodle advert. There was basically no characterisation, no character development, no coherent lore, no clear throughline of a story, the "romance" wasn't a romance. Instead of story (which they didn't have time to make), they just cheated and TOLD us stuff, rather than showing it. By the end of my 40 hour playthrough, I literally knew more about Cindy than I did Ignis and Gladio, and what I knew about Prompto was just a totally unexplained twist that instantly came and went.
And no-one seemed to care. That's what scares me. Our story standards have slipped so far that a literally incomplete story was deemed "good" in a goddamn FINAL FANTASY game.
Everyone just...went along with it. Makes me real sad. People can like what they like, and I don't blame anyone for liking a lot of these designs/ideas - but as a package, this story would have been laughed out of the room in the 90's/early 2000's.
Rant time!
Noctis is a king and a leader? Sure! I mean, they never show it, and Ignis makes all the decisions, but Noct sacrifices himself at the end and sad music plays, so that's character development, right? I mean, he literally skipped ten years, but we added stubble to his model so that means he's mature! The game told me so!
Ignis went blind, and this tears the group apart! Except nope, basically this is a factor for one chapter, and then it's hardly mentioned at all and Ignis is back to full strength (somehow).
Luna and Noct are in love! We never see them speak in their entire adult lives, and as kids they only talk about plot stuff, but the FMV's are all big and dramatic! So...I guess...? (Never mind her brother, who got an offscreen heel-turn and death, even though he was never actually established in the first place).
Regis and Noct have history and stuff! We never see it, but some characters imply something about that and pre-release trailers also mention it, so woooow. Such deep backstory - oh wait, Regis is dead and that city we've never been to is destroyed. This is a big deal, right? Maybe?
It's a ROAD TRIP! I mean, literally EVERY OTHER FINAL FANTASY is a road trip in various vehicles while characters bond, (X is a bloody pilgrimage, for christ sake) but this one is literal and has a car that auto-drives across pre-determined paths with basically zero plot or flavour text happening throughout. Uh, but it's a road triiiiip! That means bonding! For characters that are already close friends at the start of the story...?
Main characters that appear as central villains just...disappear shortly into the plot, totally replaced by Arden, who never really gets explained!
The entire actual plot is about the world dying or something, except that really REALLY isn't touched on much, and uh...sad music though!
The Oracle, and Shiva, and...wow, come to think of it the main plot might be the least coherent/touched on part of this whole story. Weird.
To go back on topic though - this was a good rewrite! I think you did a good job of pinning down the focus of the story, I definitely agree that it suffers from the weird situation of being both thematically overstuffed while narratively underdeveloped.
Steve from blues clues is lookin good
32:19 I think you combined Ultimecia from FF8 with the name Altissia haha
Like that Persona 3 music don't already haunt my dreams
Before listening to the video, so that I won't have my own judgement clouded by yours, before giving my own thoughts.
I played the game.. last week. Was on sale, figured I'd grab it.
I feel like there are two games in there. The open-world road trip game and the Chosen Hero that doesn't fit or want his destiny but can't deny it linear plot-line.
And those two games.. just don't mesh well together.
Then I played the Comrades DLC for a while (about 20 hours, don't really feel like playing it more, since the only thing I can do is level up, and damn does it take a long time in it - only level up, since I already have weapons that pushed my strength over 1000 which is acceptable for level 90 bosses.. I just don't have the health or defence for them, something I wouldn't need if I played alongside other players, but when I have to carry 3 AI whose stats barely exceed 100...)... and not only does it let you play a character that would fit the road trip part a whole lot better, it also introduces a far more entertaining magic system with neat customisation and everything... just the gameplay loop is terrible, since you are limited to mini-quests in contained areas. (also while the main game kept lagging each time Prompto took a screenshot, I did not have a single lag during Comrades.. even though it was also taking automatic screenshots every 2-3 minutes.. and has a photo limit of 300 as compared to the 200 of the base game).
In the end. I feel like this game promises much with it's potential, then just.. throws it all out the window. Summons? A fucking Ifrit is one of the last bosses... really? IFRIT?! How the hell am I supposed to take the villain seriously, when he is proud of having the goddamn Ifrit?
The car radio... WTF. Like seriously.. at least there is a mod for that. (I got used to the car on rails and mostly quick traveled, so that wasn't an issue.. i'd even enjoy it.. with a better fucking radio and car banter)
Combat.. yeah. As Comrades has shown, this game can have a fun combat system with magic. The main game does not have it. (i guess warping for 5 minutes with garuda weapons on top of a boss with 90% damage reduction is fun for the first 20 seconds, as was warp cleaning a pack of weak enemies the first time.. after that it just.. doesn't feel exciting, Nocto just isn't fun to play).
Nocto. I get it. He's an emo-virgin-cunt. Thats why he has that haircut, thats why he moves like that and thats why he talks like he talks... I get it, I get how it fits the reluctant hero who doesn't really ever grow into his role, rather just breaks and gives into it... I don't like it. He's not someone I want to play as. (and it's easy to forget he's like that, when you only see him riding the chocobo or fighting, but then cut-scenes come, or you are in a place you can't ride a chocobo in... )
And who the hell did his "adult" model? They didn't touch his body, but made his head just slightly bigger. I couldn't take that section of the game seriously at all.. it was just a damn bobbing head in my face.
I'd really have enjoyed a game that was set in the main game world of FFXV, but with the player made main character and supporting cast player made, or some fleshed out versions of the various side characters.. and the combat/crafting/magic systems from Comrades. Like... there could be Noctos story in the background, while your character together with some buddies would try to get back their memories, or would try to stay low, while working towards their redemption. You could even take charge in the end, as Noctos group fell apart, since none of them were ready for the challenge... and you'd have to fight the 6 after beating the boss, as they wouldn't like you messing with their prophecy. (and i don't care what official canon is, the 6 are not summons. They're a bunch of cunts from that ancient civilisation playing gods and trying their darn hardest to prevent anyone from achieving their power or releasing the real summons)
edit: Wait.. in the final cutscene, you have access to all 13 weapons.. even if you didn't collect them? I was so damn happy I had them all, so Noctis was all impressive having the full collection!! Stupid fudging design.
And yeah, the crossbow is one of the weapons.. I do not remember where you get it, but I'm pretty sure, it's at least more interesting than the shield (which you just pick up from an unguarded temple.. the crossbow I think comes from one of the dungeons.. maybe the one with the treant? by the lake? No, i think that one has the shuriken.. volcano has a hammer I think or one of the long swords... the Bandersnatch dungeon - and well, Iris asks to go there - has like a weird melee weapon... Oh.. I remember. It's the mine, at the beginning of the game, you fight level 7 goblins and a level 50 Ronin or higher grade version of the Ronin, the weapon is hidden away in like a space you squeeze through between rocks, it's well fucking hidden, took me an hour of running around trying to figure out where my quest marker is leading)
its sad that this game didnt quite live up to expectations of a broader audience but i very much enjoyed the game even still it was something different and unique from all other FF's we've had it brought in some realism and mixed that in with fantasy elements the original concept was meant as more of a turf war between gangs on who controls the crystal but they axed that idea in favor of bringing us something more endearing and more akin to its predecessor titles.
the thing that made the game loose its lifeline in the end i believe was a mixture of failed vision from the developers and corporate indecision on whether this game was worth continuing to its final and true conclusion.
if it had been given enough time and more clarity of vision from the developers i feel we could have gotten much of what was initially promised.
Omg he is not wearing a suit, and there is no fast food in sight
the stella thing killed me LOL
Ardyn as the primary antagonist does not work very well, ravus and the Niflheim empire was wasted
This video made a lot of good points. I guess its time to play some final fantasy.
I didn't realise Connor oberst was so in to videogames
Haha maybe he should've played the game again for thiz video. Definitely interesting! Itd be cool to have a beer and a discussion with this dude.
Never seen this channel before, but he's super cute.
He looks like a man who wants to stay a boy.
I can't believe its already been like 4 years since this game came out lol.
Personally, I would have cut all romance out, it was not needed and only worked to water down the focus both with Noctis and the stupid Ifrit/Shiva thing that didn't even make sense with Shiva siding with humans. The focus should have just been around Noctis and the bros, Noctis becoming king and inheriting the power and then, like most FF, the secondary, true villain should have been the reveal of the summons being evil with Ardyn and Ifrit actually being anti heroes that went too far in pursuit of revenge and have the crew turn their sights on the summons for their releasing of the starscourge and maybe tie that in to somehow removing the starscourge, maybe releasing Eos from Pitioss somehow, something involving her because she's kinda this crazy important character that is never really addressed. I dunno, my rough idea, FF15 was just all over the place.
This games is one of my favorites, along ff6 7 and 5
Tbh I felt nothing when Luna died I got more sad when ignis got blind which ought to say something.
The game felt all over the place and there's so much I wanna know about things like wtf is the crystal? What is the importance of it other then be a big magic stone I wanna see more moments between Regis and noctis. But it felt like they were 6 story subplots that didn't crash with each other.
The game could have been really well made cause on paper it's a really interesting story.