Final Fantasy 16 Success After Party
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2023
- Still making Final Fantasy 16 in a nutshell, but before that, let's see how Yoshida-san is doing in his Success after party with Nomura-san
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This was so good, I loved Nomura's speech halfway through about what is actually important in making a game.
Nomura not being able to give a straight answer to a question in casual conversation is hilarious
Crazy how nobody hates Final Fantasy games more than its own fanbase
Cause 16 isn't a ff game, who liked are bunch of overhyped delusional fan
@@asdbef3667It’s still a Final Fantasy game, so cope.
@@asdbef3667is 100% a final fantasy game
@@asdbef3667 Well it must be true if you said it. My eyes have been opened. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways.
@@asdbef3667 It says "Final Fantasy" on the damn box, so it's a final fantasy.
YOU don't decide what's final fantasy or not, and you are a fool for thinking that Final Fantasy doesn't radically change with every game.
4:59 "All of your fans are waiting to either be pleased or disappointed. So let's give them both."
I lost it at this line.
"All of your fans are waiting to either be pleased or dissapointed, so let's give them both"
This is the FF/SE fanbase in a nutshell, so good lmao.
For real, this video is probably the most rational, realistic and balanced take on 16 I've seen, great job!
Truly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
So happy to hear about FF16's success and Yoshi-P's continued and ever growing popularity in the FF and overall gaming community. We need more people like him directing projects. Nobody is perfect, but him having the heart to give people a good experience will always be cherished and beloved.
Baldur's gate 3 wipes it's ass with ff16
@@DiegoCervantes-qz7ku fuck baldur gate
@@DiegoCervantes-qz7kunobody asked 🤡
I feel this wasnt a dinner but the two were in their office break room for less than 10 min for a break until they work again for another 15 years til their next break.
Nomura? You mean secretly Xanumor.
XENUMOR!!!!!!!!!
1:57 FFXIV doesn't have elemental weaknesses either, with a few exceptions such as the player character's resistances, Eureka, Masked Carnivale and floor 150 of Tower of the Dead. Also Bombs were weak against fire in FFII, FFTA and FFXI. Though in FFXI, it's apparently because they're classified as "Arcana" monsters. Also in FFIV and FFV bombs weren't weak or strong to anything. It's dumb and rare but it's been a thing for a long time now.
There actually used to be elemental weaknesses in FF14 basic combat and it absolutely screwed job design because sometimes it was just not a good idea to bring say a black mage to a raid because the boss had high fire resistance. It was interesting, but it was also a nightmare
MMO
@@eroschama yep, blm only was viable after stormblood(on HW summoner was hella crazy numbers)
People saying it needs an elemental system are dumb. It needs more unique enemy gimmicks/interactions, not some system to force you to use a certain element. They asking for a DmC mechanic when they actually want a DMC5 mechanic.
back in 1.0 when elemental weakness was a legit aspect, there was no blm or whm. cnj was able to use all 6 elements (like blm normally would in a ff game ie FFXI, less than 6 if there are say only 4 elements in a games elemental wheel) thm was light/dark elements and until you got the mid 40s spells was rough and underpowered.
now cnj with elemental wheel +protect/shell/stoneskin/cure was super OP
Nomura: Here we go again, for eternity.
Lol the realistics expectations got me
Love the change for Mr Square Enix's body to be a Yakuza boss instead of a suit and tie drone.
Final fantasy 16 is an absolute blast to play, breathtaking Eikon fights, amazing story, great characters.
You have fun with your edgelord Cloud Clone #7,777
@@pyroflare7774Clive > Cloud
@@seazkol6152 Clive is a cloud clone/wannabe e.e
@@pyroflare7774 Clive is not a Cloud clone/ wannabe! They're personality isn't similar at all
@@pyroflare7774 clive is an edgelord for like 4 hours out of 50 lol
Glad to hear Cid's theme in the background. Can't wait for ffxvi in a nutshell!
As a Malaysian, it hurts me so much that I couldn't attend the event due to finals. But it's cool to know that yoshi P and koji fox was received with a lot of great support and feedbacks here! Can't wait to see what he has in store for future FFs or maybe a DLC
Fans like to knit pick a Final Fantasy game whenever a new one comes out, but years down the line they will say it's one of the best ever. I remember people complaining about the original FF7 release about not having a 4 member team or a job specific roles. Fans complained about 7 Remake changing up the original story. Fans complained about 10 & 13 being too linear. Fans complained about 12 being an off-line MMO. Every game in the series will be dissected & knit picked to death. Every game has their fair share of lovers & haters and that will never change.
@@MrZarbon991 Just trying to point out that despite the flaws & complaints fans have with a FF game on release the reputation of said FF game as years pass are for the most part seen in a positive light by the FF community,
Personally I still don't like XIII it has its moments but its still one of the weakest entries for me.
13 still sucks and 16 has been near universally liked
@@MrZarbon991 I think they are just reporting on the general fanbase opinion and feeling, not about whether its from the same or different fans, thats kind of impossible to know lol they are right though, every time a new FF comes out, it is not accepted by the FF purist fans at first, and a lot of people will be contrarian about liking it until later. The FF fandom is very strange like that. They hate everything new and even when they get what they ask for, they still complain and say they want something else. Thats the joke in the video too, impossible to please the FF fan base.
13 Is still dog, and FF15 years down the line still isn't received with fanfare.
Always nice to watch these vids. Perfect timing!
Listening to this helped me realize how much I love the Hideaway’s theme music. So chill.
I definitely enjoyed my time with FF16, definitely one of my favourite games of this year. While I do think it needed more RPG elements especially with FF being a RPG series. Apart from that, love the story and characters, action is a ton of fun. Of course the gam looks incredible and the soundtrack is fantastic. ❤️🔥
@@kyedaolder FF games/ traditional RPG's had builds and buffs/debuffs to work around and think about. When it comes to basic gear yea just put the better one and move on but when it comes to other traditional rpg mechanics that stuff isn't here in this game. Not that it "needs" to be but I personally think it would be appreciated.
Having basic elemental weaknesses or even debuffs like poison from morbols would bring its own uniqueness imo. Still a fun game tho
@@kyeda thats like just not true. people buy rpgs to play rpgs. most people who buy rpgs dont want it to just be bigger number better, they want tactical play between unique weaknesses, strengths, and advantages. they want build variety too, ways to completely change the approach and ways the game can be played.
@@Nerex27 Build variety felt, decent. I just wish accessories were handled better. I do think Elemental Weaknesses would be nice and uh, actually they do exist. You might see Eikonic Vulnerability pop up on the right side. That comes from Elemental Weaknesses pretty sure. But yeah it wasn't very pronounced.
I definitely would say that they coulda made the weapon/armor obtaining more RPG-like instead of through MSQ. Other than that I am satisfied with the RPG mechanics, except the bad treasure chests and accessories. I find myself using Gil more than not.
@@JayceCH. To be honest, I don't completely agree with treasure chests as it's really not that different then other Final Fantasy games. It's just that instead of getting a useless Potion most of the time, you got a bunch of crafting material with an occasional good treasure chest in each area. The biggest problem is that there wasn't enough good rewards from bosses and recipes didn't use enough materials that it made it feel like clutter.
Reminder that Yoshi does have a lot of say and office political freedom to not be pressured by higher ups. Not just because he constantly has a screaming match with marketing(the stories he told between him and the lady in marketing) but he also helped campaign to put his friend to be the new head honcho of Squeenix(too bad he turned into an NFT bro)
Also also, he has a seat in the board of directors. And he has an Iron Clad grip on FF14. What with being the miracle savior of it and all.
So he's relatively untouchable up there. Might need to be embroiled in two or three flops to even have detractors in the office.
Wait the past ceo of Square Enix is Yoshi-P's friend?
That kingdom hearts back out of menu sound killed me lmao
Always love your videos man - keep it up
The only thing I think was missing was an Ultima Weapon fight. SOP scratched the itch but we should really get a full 3d fight with that thing one of these days.
Oh yeah, the lack of a superboss. True.
SOP?
@@swolbadguy7811 Stranger of Paradise. We got half an Ultima Weapon fight but most of the emphasis was on it being the second form of Astos.
because Ultima Weapon isnt even that "strong" in SOP... maybe in vanilla SOP but Warmech is the true test of strength probably next to true Garland in the entire SOP.
The Weapon fights in FFXIV don't count as a 3D implementation?
I'm so excited to see if they add more stuff to 16, i hope so because i just started my 3rd playthrough and every time I pick the game up i love it as much as my first playthrough
Pretty sure half of this video was written to point out the bs from the community lol
I want to believe that these guys have conversations like these in their meetings xD
Not having elemental weaknesses is weird, but not bad, people are really complaining for nothing.
As for DLCs I believe they're gonna character episodes like they did in XV imo, there's just too many possibilities.
-Joshua and Jill during the first time skip
-Cid before/after leaving Waloed
-Barnabas establishing Waloed ? (Maybe fighting Leviathan ? I refuse to believe that kindgom had no Eikons prior to Odin taking power while others had)
-Even Elwin during the annexation of the North
And many more I guess
You know this is YoshiP and not Tabata right?
@@shadbonnieakahenrymarcimof6725 unrelated.
-Elwin had no powers so he might be a bit boring to play.
-Jill was imprisoned for most of her time in the Iron Kingdom, there wouldn't be a lot of freedom to do things though it would be nice to see that stuff.
-Cid is definetly one of the better ones for DLC, about him being with Waloed, realizing Barnabas's plans and discovering Ultima, trying to destroy Drake's Head.
-Barnabas is great too to see him conquer Ash, though the land was controlled by many small tribes and kingdoms so I doubt they had an Eikon, Leviathan may have been from there but disappeared before Barnabas. Learning about his mother who could even be Leviathan would be nice.
@@SolProxy You can make any character fun and interesting to play, even if it's not flashy or with overly stupid power like with an Eikon. I personnaly like playing with in more " realistic " scale of power, not always being broken as hell. Besides Elwin seems interesting, well at least to me !
"All of your fans are waiting to either be pleased or be disappointed. So let's give them both."
Oh boy, the Square Enix realistic expectations quote not aged well already.
2:37 Did I hear Nomura stammer?
I’ve been waiting for this 🤗
I love the message in this one.
Imagine if FF16 has elemental weakness, some players will be forced to use eikon feats they don't want to play.
elemental weakness was not needed, focusing on the strength of the character and power level compared to other boss levels was more important and using each eikon's abilities to ones prefered play style
Cant wait to play it
This conversation was surprisingly wholesome
the "UNBELIEBABLE" took me OUUTTTTT . It truly is unblievable. Mr. SE is really hard to please.
I'm not far into FF16 yet because I have so many games to play, but I definitely enjoy it.
This actually kinda sounds like an actual dev conversation. Good job.
Holy crap that KH2 call out, I was dying lol
To be fair though, while rpg-lite, KH2 has more RPG elements than FF16 and is more fun from an action game standpoint, too. KH2 Critical Mode is one of the best difficulty modes ever.
I will be waiting for that FFXVI DLC so it wouldn't have any production issues, but Final Fantasy had convoluted stories before; the first game had time travel elements before future entries like FFVIII and XIII-2.
And the timeloop continues
I can see a Leviathan the Lost DLC where we play as someone else and discover what happened to them. Would be interesting to have a small host of water abilities while were at it. Maybe it gets added as a DLC only Bonus to Clive's repertoire too (not to be taken as canon).
Maybe we get Dion as an ally in the late game o:
Right when he's hanging with us a bunch of Hunts and Quests pop up so he totally could. Although that party might feel crowded with ... everyone in it.
I'd love to play as Cid before he left Barnabas and Benedikta. Complete with a full Ramuh VS Odin Eikon battle. Or maybe far in the past with the falled in the battle that destroyed the mothercrystal where that big waterfall was made. Maybe that's how Leviathan got lost? And please let us see where Terence and Medicine Girl went!
The pregnant women from waloed have chance to give birth to leviathan dominant also the medicine girl somehow speak as waloed/ash continent she might have relate with leviathan cult
this game is so good omg
I mean as a long term Final fantasy fan ( 23 years counting) the controversy everytime a new FF series released is normal. It's because of the concept of final fantasy itself. Unlike normal game series like for example trails game they either like the series or not. Final fantasy have die hard fans for specific number series. So as long as it does not have element of what they love they are always butthurt, this always happen everytime an FF series is released. And after some time passed a new FF16 fanbase will form. And if there is a series that the old ff fans like the ff 16 fanbase will say the FF is not a Final fantasy game. And this goes on and on and the more game in the series are introduced.
The reason why sales expectation was reasonable from square Enix is because they changed their CEO
Don't have a PS5 so i cant play 16 yet, but really excited for it to come to PC.
Wonder if 7.0’s post MSQ Alliance Raids will be a crossover between 14 and 16
Wait...the food on the table 😂
Ayy another banger
I lost it at Let's give them both!😂
Nice to see the 02 big enjoy the best dishes in FFXVI.
looking forward to the release of 16 in 6 months
Happy to hear the game was a success, but sad to see people in the fanbase who are upset about that. Anyway can't wait for the "FFXVI in a nutshell" video.
Hoo boy.
Would be rad to see Yuji Horii with them being all happy to have yeaaaars of development for each games and almost 0 milking of the main franchise outside of mobile games.
Final Fantasy is a franchise I never clicked with until recently with FF7 Remake and I probably will get around to playing FF16 next year when I marathon every single FF game I can! (Seriously though, love these parody videos keep it up dude!)
Same. I did play Kingdom Hearts and I played FF10 some and the story caught my attention but never played it because I'm not a fan of turn based combat. Crisis Core FF7 was my first FF game on the PSP and is what introduced me to the franchise really.
It still didnt click cause XVI and VII remake are barely Final Fantasy Games, apart from names and Soundtrack.
It clicked cause XVI and VII remake are absolutely Final Fantasy games, like in the name and soundtrack.
yep, this goes to my personal playlist regarding FF game commentaries. 😆👍
Hoo boy...
Looking forward to getting this game. With the Vine man playing it, CHAOS isn't far off now.
I love how people criticize Clive using Fire on a bomb and see it as lazy. Yet in FFXIV you can fight multiple fire based deities as a Black Mage and they can die to fireball spam.
I haven't played FF14, but the last FF I can compare this to is FF7 Remake, where you have 4 different elements. Then it goes even further by giving you a chance to equip your armor or your weapon with that materia. That in turn allows you to increase your attack strength against certain enemies or increase your defence against certain elements.
I think FF16 is a solid game and I by no means hate it, but there is a serious lack of depth in the combat. They got it so very, very wrong.
@@A203D I'm curious how do you think could they have added more depth to the combat in FFXVI? Cause there is a ton of depth under the surface the only thing I would add is a second loadout option you could switch between mid combat.
@@wolffster25XVI has a lot of mechanical depth from monsters and abilities. The combat itself can be anything depending on the players.
VIIR has simple mechanics compared to XVI so adding in elemental weakness and enemy type increase its depth. But they are ‘stats depth’, a different type of depth.
@@wolffster25 I'm reffering to strategic depth, which has always been present in Final Fantasy. For example in older games you would have something like 'Cover', where a character with higher defence or HP would take damage for a weaker character.
In FF7 Remake those tactics are taken to the next level, with Barret being more of a tank character. Tifa's speed being utilised for hit and run to 'pressure' an enemy. Although you can customise characters to an extent to focus them on magical attack, defence or physical attack; Cloud can be many different things depending on your playstyle.
Remake also features a lot of options in terms of abilities. For example you have a materia called 'Steadfast Block', which builds the ATB the more damage you incure. That means you may intentionally put Cloud in the line of fire to build his ATB. In FF12 you have a move call Decoy which is designed to do exactly that. Then in that situation you have various things like Protect and Shell and in FF12 you have Bravery and Faith to seriously up the ante on your damage dealers and tanks.
Then theres ranged and close encounter combat. Remake forces you to learn how to engage enemies differently depending on their atrributes or the terrain. FF16 dosen't features any difference between an enemy thats ranged or close proximity. You can defeat them using the same strategy you've used in every battle before that.
In terms of FF16's depth, yes there are some good things, but every boss battle amounts to typically the same strategy. Use Heatwave to block a projectile, then use Rook's Gambit to evade a melee attack, then pull the enemy down with Deadly Embrace, then use Raging Fist's to block a melee attack. Then you stagger the enemy, in which case you use Gigaflare or some other move that hits hard.
It dosen't really matter which finishing move you chose because theres no elemental weaknesses. So if you use Judgement Bolt instead of Earthen Fury you are merely changing the animation effects you use, theres nothing signifantly different about the moves to warrant unequiping Gigaflare. Essentially the same tactics in every fight. Luckly Odin's moveset adds some much needed depth to the options at your disposal.
One of my faviourite FF16 moves is Shiva's 'Cold Snap', which causes Permafrost on a enemy as a last second dodge. The problem is you then have two buttons for dodging. R1 and O. You have over 30 moves, but you can't equip half the moves, and if you do equip Cold Snap, you have wasted a dodge button that could be used for something else. Why didn't they condense the moves into a better control scheme so you can equip more moves in combat. You won't even use half the Eikon abilities because you can't afford to lose something like Raging Fist or Heatwave.
In answer to your response yes a second loadout would be great, but that is the equalivant of switching to another character. Which has always been the strength of Final Fantasy's unique combat system.
@@wolffster25hiding from a skill behind a rock? The party regroup in a corner or have more weapon options beside swords. Everyone use swords in this game, except Dion but he died without joining our fight. The fight is only continue slashing to stagger enemies then use all 6 eikon abilities, no alternatives
Mr. Square Kiryu Enix got me lol
Im from Malaysia and still waiting for KH4 release Nomura-san
I went to that Malaysia event, got to selfie Yoshi p with me :)
Have we ever seen Yoko Taro in any of these?
At this point, give SE man a whip and stuff his coat pockets with cash.
If I get to play as Torgal, I will die happy on the spot.
Ok jokes aside I absolutely loved 16. Combat is great, the music is one banger after another, I honestly really liked the overall plot, and the visuals and spectacle of it all is absolutely fantastic. As for no elemental weaknesses, honestly I didn't miss them. Having such a diverse skillset then pushing the player towards certain Eikons feels wrong in a way, so I'm glad they didn't. My only major gripe really is the QTEs, they really go gard with them for the first main chunk of the game but they seemed to peter out later on, to the point wnere they just dont really appear in many late game fights, which was a shame given how well they were weaved into many early game bosses.
fans: Is this an abusive relationship?
Ngl I low-key want to try the food in front of Nomura lol
Wait
Isnt that kiryu sprite for SE ceo
Hoo boy
This was a pretty good breakdown of the situation both devs are in. Ff7r and ff16 are both great, and i think the playerbase has to play it fair and give them the time to implement meaningful, vocal feedback in the future. Also, i don‘t get the ele weakness problem. Sure it feels immersive and powerful, but i also think it locks you into builds and playstyles. I love 16 for the relative freedom of loadouts and prefer weaknesses of enemies that you can exploit via the core gameplay mechanics. I think such things are more satisfying to find out. Sekiro is a great example. If you use certain prosthetic skills on certain moments you can get huge, intended advantages and the custom animations let you feel like you did something really smart.
Platinum would be sick
I feel like FFXVI was made around the Eikon fights and the main story, everything eise is just lack luster in comparison and the pacing hits a wall after any of the Eikon battles. Still an incredible game, but flawed
Patiently waiting for Dragon Quest XII
Love that Bahamut is now as strong as KH3 Donald Duck.
*BOOSTED bahamut
Bahamut only casted it. He didn't do any significant feat with it. Donald literally finished an end game boss all by himself with it. Bahamut lost...
I wonder how they would react if they ever saw these robotic voice dub videos of them
"Hard to say" XD
cheer up to YoshiP FFXVI is really a great game , with people buying into XVI FFVIIRebirth sale probably got buff up thx to more installbase
As FF fans this time is really good time to be alive
Whenever a new Final Fantasy game comes out: “SAME SHIT, DIFFERENT DAY.”
This cycle, being a prominent example of observer bias, needs to be studied in a university. When a new game introduces changes or explores different genres in either setting or gameplay, the general public perceives what they initially see, and it will always trigger subjective reactions and resort to sabotage, indirect or not.
i was looking forward to FF XVI more than the 7 remake sequels...and the game lived up to expectations 🙂
... I thought it is success party but they all talk works! Poor guys.
I think you can make this part 2 with FF7 Rebirth and FFXVI DLC
rofl. thank you.
When are you gonna make ff16 in a nutshell video
HO BOI
And then Yoshi-P sent the entire FFXIV community on a treasure hunt to find the One Piece for 7.0
iirc, bombs have always been weak to their own element
They used to take damage on it and you some games you made them blow themselves up with fire magic cuz they eat that
I'd like to be optimistic but I'm not sure how the direction will develop a new impressive story as much as yoshi did w 16. Plus the gameplay made by dmc team, will not occure again i think. No idea how things will work after yoshi will be done w dlcs.
The telekinetic drinking animations reminds me of another SE series in need of a remake...
Xenogears
They're considering a Xenogears remaster. Not that that gives me hope, considering the hit or miss quality of their remasters.
PlatinumGames namedrop
i wish i had a ps5 to play the game :/
I enjoyed FF16, it was a great instalment to the Devil may cry franchise.
At least I have ff7.
You mean you have some Parts of 7?
@@bamberscher_offiziell7261 fair point
Lol
FF16 did got help from KH devs
I feel like Matsuda had this bizarre bias against western products, despite them being under his own leadership.
Still waiting for the continuation of final fantasy xvi playthrough with Cloud and friends.
To me the conversation isn't about turnbased or action, or how heavy the customization is. To me, the one this that makes FF7R feel more like a Mainline FF title than FF16 is how it treats the party. Mind you, I've only played the demo of FF16, however I feel like the debate of "leaving turnbased behind" is a bit reductive in comparing mainline FF titles, because the truth is that tons of other series have innovated real time RPG combat in a variety of ways, but the key difference between something like say Xenoblade and FF16 is that its still focused on building up a full party of characters who all have important roles, and I feel like the turn to such an action dominated combat system, (seemingly) focused on one main character takes away from that. FF7R has a very similar feeling action system, but its fluidity is held back by much more traditional RPG elements. That fact is evened out by a robust customization system and a full party of playable characters that are not only built different on the RPG side, but play VERY differently in terms of action. After the Yuffie DLC I am very excited at the prospect of building teams for Rebirth not just based on stats and abilities, but character mobility and combo options as well.
I guess what I'm really getting at is telling me that FF16 plays like Nier or DMC or Scarlet Nexus makes it sound fun, but doesn't really entice me to get really hyped about it, and makes it hit that area of "not why I play X series" kind of situation, like some people have with BOTW and TOTK. I still haven't picked up GOW Ragnarok, and y'know, there's likely a ton of people who would respond to that with 'new GOW combat PALES in comparison to FF16" and they're probably accurate, but that doesn't change that I'm much more INVESTED in GOW and FF7R than what I saw from the demo of FF16.
I dont know why nomura is still employed on se.
FF 16 is a great game. The criticism is so out there and far reaching. lol Great video regardless.
Uhhh yeah, I think we really need Just a Pancake back...
I can't talk much about the gameplay with my completion rate but the story has really just been worse Xenogears.
I don't know why, but seeing a comedic video talking modern video games but not making fun of it and actually praising it is strange. I absolutely welcome it, 16 is rad even if it's just a high brow
Hack//G.U. with a FF skin and Dragons Dogma dialogue. But it's just weird where there's no real issues, minor complaints, but people are actually happy with a modern game that isn't a Zelda game for the Switch.