your point about acceptance made me think. i realised i loved the scene with Jamie and Keeley so much because it's more than acceptance (i don't know the proper psych term but hear me out). he didn't just tell her it's okay and that he's there for her, he blamed himself as a way to shoulder some of the burden for her because everyone else indirectly or not told her it's her fault. i think he was trying to tell her 'not only i accept you, we're in this together' and without expectation from her. it reminds me how he was the one to support sam and share the black tape. love this type of arc, when it matters, he's doing actions
I agree, and what touches our hearts, I believe, is seeing Jamie be accountable all on his own for not having deleted her email with the video, as understandable as it was that he forgot. What personal growth he’s undergone since the episode “For the Children”. I also love how the actor plays the scene with such an open face and soft expression in his eyes, as if he has finally transcended the damaging toughness of his terrible father.
To expand on your point, a consitant thing with Jade and Nate is every time he's himself and more real, she pulls closer, and every time he is fake or trying to act like more than he is, she pulls away. In that sense him tripping and falling before asking her out but still doing it was probably the best way for him yo ask her out that she'd say yes to. And on this episode, the morning after scene where he secretly does all his bathroom stuff and brushes his teeth and all of it, so he'll be thay way when she wakes up as perfect as he can be. Then after he tries to put a label on their relationship but she resists and basically just leaves. Whereas later when he is just being himself after the victory, thats when she pulls closer and is willing to put the label on. I also liked in that scene her rermark of that he should celebrate his victories. Subtly showing both she sees a flaw and something he should work on. Not for her, but for his own happiness. Just subtly suporting him. -Daven
@@ezz625 In the same way that Nate might be. I feel that one reason they are tentatively (and now more openly) attracted to each other is that they see themselves in the other person (shy, awkward, sweet). This expands on the point here: When Nate pretends to be someone else, he is telegraphing that his (and thus also her) character is something to be rid off.
@@mylittlethoughttree I'm very much enjoying your analysis of Ted Lasso. :-) Approximately my new second favorite show of all time after the absolute masterpiece in all ways that is The Good Place. :-) Possibly tied with Star Trek the Next Generation. :-) -Daven
My theory would be that Isaac isn’t mad because Colin is gay, rather that he is mad because Colin kept it as a secrets from him and maybe perceived it as Colin doesn’t trust him.
Such a good point. Being the captain and always wanting to be there for his brothers, must hurt his character thinking that Collin can’t trust him to that degree.
The whole "Ted loses his wife to his wife's therapist" plot really makes me sick to my stomach. Dr. Jacob is a predator who (at the very least) should lose his therapist license!!
That’s why Dr Sharon and Sassy brushing it off seems so weird to me. They as colleagues in field should absolutely know that what Dr Jacob is doing is highly unethical and report him.
You’re one of the first people I’ve seen that didn’t blame Michelle, and that really bums me out. She went to a trusted professional to help save her marriage and ended up divorced. I already felt bad that Ted felt ganged up on in therapy, but now it’s even worse because Dr. Jacob was probably doing it on purpose.
@@JoshityJosh Yeah, that part really upset me. If it were any real psychologist I know, that conversation would have ground to a screeching halt to specifically, explicitly discuss the doctor-patient thing and get more details. If you haven’t seen the person as a patient for a two year interval it’s sooooometimes allowed, but only in very extenuating circumstances (like you’re from Nowhereville, Ohio so the psychologist you see was in your graduating class and goes to your church). I looked into it and found a case in Kansas about a woman whose current therapist found out she was sleeping with her previous therapist, and that therapist contacted the previous one to tell him to report his own conduct to the licensing board. He did, and there were heavy consequences. The whole thing is so obviously unacceptable that it’s wild to watch the show keep gliding past it.
Yep, there are ethical rules about how long one has to wait after ending a counseling relationship with someone before one can have a personal relationship with them. I wanna say 2 years? He should lose his license.
I feel like Issac will be moreso angry with himself in a sense that he feels like he hasn’t been a good enough team captain that one of his players hasn’t felt comfortable telling him this, I think that’ll end up being the pretty simple resolution to this storyline, nothing groundbreaking but still heartfelt in the end I’m sure
Issac is a good guy It was his stance that the celebs images being leaked was unfair and that the team should protect their acquaintances privacy by delegating vulnerable images from their phones I think he just realized by snatching Colin’s phone he just did the very thing he was trying to prevent - he exposed an innocent I think he’s mad and ashamed by his own behavior Issac is well intentioned - he will come good and make amends ❤️
I think Jack has a tragically common personality trait in that she knows what kindness is, but it's not integral to her identity. She uses kindness or displays of it deliberately and targetedly. And she almost certainly feels like a good person for this because to her the only "valid" persons are the ones she had affections for and therefore her targeted and narrow beam of kindness or consideration hits 100% of the "actual people".
I totally agree. But I also think, both with Jack and with Isaac, we have to remember the rule about being kind, because people are living lives we know nothing about. Jack's reaction to Keeley is unconscionable, but we have to remember that she's a high-profile person too. She's torn between wanting a future with Keeley, and not wanting this scandal to affect her. We don't know how out she is to her family, to her wealthy community, etc. We don't know how much pressure is on her to live a respectable life. Jack may be a venture capitalist, but she strikes me also as not exactly a self-made billionaire. She comes from money. That paints her every success as not entirely her own, and magnified every problem as the antics of a spoiled rich girl. So she's probably living with the constant pressure of having to live up to her family name, and the privilege her wealth affords. None of this excuses her making this violation that happened to Keeley about herself and her reputation. She's responsible for taking ownership of her own issues, and not blaming Keeley for them, especially when Keeley is at her most vulnerable. She's at a crossroads, and has to choose between remaining an insider in her rich world where one keeps up appearances, and having a real relationship with a real person who doesn't fit those appearances. She can't have both, and she has to choose which one to sacrifice. Just like Colin.
@@rottensquid I think Issac may be experiencing prejudice in reverse where he's already decided this person is important to him, part of his ersatz family prior to finding out he is gay. We also may be assuming he has a prejudice as opposed to simply being surprised to have been incorrect in his assumptions.
You know I was thinking about Colin and Isaac. When my mom found out I'm queer her first reaction was to go "oh... okay :)" and then keep going like it was nothing, then she met my girlfriend and was instantly in love with her. It never occurred to me that she was struggling with that knowledge, but years later she confessed that it was a shock in the beginning because of how she was raised (very catholic), and that even having gay friends, the fact that it was her daughter felt different. She just hadn't said anything then because she felt that she was the one "in the wrong" for being uncomfortable. When I saw that scene for the first time I thought that maaaybe Isaac's reaction was to walk away because he didn't know how to react. Sometimes people don't know what to say, their initial reaction is shock in some way and they are aware that they need time to process information instead of immediately saying something that they know could be wrong. Obviously he could have reassured Colin in some way, if that is the case. Walking out without at least clarifying something isn't the best course of action. It's not right but maybe he's doing something along the lines of what my mom did. idk I was more annoyed at him for taking the phone like that than anything. Privacy, dude With Keeley I thought they would make her do exactly the opposite of what Jack wanted. Put out a statement about the sexualization of women, the unfairness of her being the one at blame in the eyes of people, when the ones who leaked out the content are the as$holes. Or something along those lines, something empowering that, at the same time, could create some conflict between her and Jack because she didn't do what Jack considers to be the safe thing. I like that they are taking their time to resolve that issue though. Hope they don't drop it entirely in the next episode.
That's a really great example, yeah! I struggled with wording my point. Ideally, Colin deserves acceptance and Isaac needs to make it clear he's ok with it, because Colin is ofcourse incredibly anxious in that moment. It's a shame he doesn't reassure him BUT that doesn't instantly make him homophobic or against it, or "bad" for not communicating better. Sometimes it is just like that, big news can take time for a person to adjust to for all sorts of reasons: sometimes fair reasons, sometimes unfair, sometimes completely irrational. It's not a nice moment at all for Colin and I hope Isaac comes to apologise, but we also understand Isaac's reaction and want to help him manage better
@@mylittlethoughttree In the locker room, when the leak is first announced, the Sun calls it a "Whankarama" and Colin says "well I know what I am going to be doing this weekend". To which Isaac gives him a glaring look and tells everyone to delete all the naked photos that they have on their phones. Collin has a look of desperation, he doesn't want to delete that part of his life. After they are told Keeley was one of those hacked, it becomes more desperate and everyone begins' deleting photos. but Colin gets up and leaves the room. Isaac follows angry that his friend is not complying and grabs his phone to find out what could be so important. He looks at Collin with a typical Isaac stern look, hands him the phone, looks away and nods. He is acknowledging why Collin was being awkward but I think he it hurt that his best friend didn't trust him to share this information.
@@kevindoyle6386 I never got the impression that Colin and Isaac are besties, but they're all very close. Regardless, I think you nailed the reason Isaac was being so pushy. Isaac was right, you can't go around with nude pictures of your hookups for anyone to hack, especially if you're a celebrity. But I think we forget what it's like to live in a very "straight" world, which is to say a world where no one you know talks to you about being gay. Like with Jack, we don't know what Isaac's life is like. He may be one of those people who thinks he doesn't know any gay people (Bruv, you do. They just don't tell you.) As far as Isaac knows, gayness only happens in the news. So he's never considered how to think about it. Luckily, the whole point of the show is that Ted has nurtured an environment where people can talk about stuff. So I expect Isaac will try to bottle it up, but everyone will notice, and he'll finally go to someone like Roy who can help him integrate the fact that he doesn't actually live in a straight world, because there's no such thing.
@@rottensquidi saw it a bit differently. For me isaac's reaction was more along the lines of: "Oh i stumbled onto this information, which wasn't meant for me. I won't say a thing until you will come up and say something." And saying anything would acknowledge, he knows whats up (clearly he does), but would force a confrontation and coming out of sorts, even if Colin is ready or not in that moment. Atleast that's what i hope. I really like isaac :D and would hate for him to be bigoted. Though his reaction could be his type of accepting, but it's a rough and unnerving reaction from Colin's persepective anyways.
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Thank you for this analysis! I just want to add, about Keeley, that I think it's better that they didn't make her relationship with Jack a happy ever after, especially since Jack didn't give Keeley much space for independence. But most importantly because Keeley seems to be jumping from a relationship to another for some reason without giving herself time to heal and grow personally.
The diamond dogs scene was hilarious and, shows that Ted was overthinking it. Yet, given that Nate wanted to have his own version of the meeting later on. I think his advice to Ted would have helped him gain perspective, just as the Ted’s DD would have helped Nate. What makes both scenes great is that neither Ted or Nate benefited from their respective meetings, it’s an interesting parallel between them.
Imo, Ted did benefit from the advice the guys gave him…he understood what they were saying to him but only partially bought into it because of his own struggles with accepting his divorce…the advice didn’t fully cement itself in his head or take on prominence until Rebecca expanded upon that advice by telling him how his reaction to something that may or may not happen was affecting his relationship with his son…when Ted heard that, the advice the guys gave him earlier took on some clarity and helped him to realize that he couldn’t freak out about something he can’t control and hasn’t actually happened yet…what he could do was control how it affected his relationship with his son, which is something a lot of people going thru divorce don’t always pick up on, how their reactions and feelings affect others specifically their children
I think I had a different perspective on the Issac-Colin situation. I felt like there was a slight nod of acceptance from Issac and he walked away because it's obviously something to not discuss in public along with collect his own thoughts. I think the next episode will frame the fears from Colin of his teammate knowing and eventually coming out with the help of Issac. But I am curious to see how they take that story because there could be a good learning lesson rift in what it could cause.
I think he's also forgetting how conservative and 'classic heterosexually male' the sports/football culture is. He states in the video that we live in more open times... yet not essntially no footballer at the professional level has come out as openly gay. I think you shouldn't underestimate that kind of cultural influence. I have met people who have stated that they fully support equal rights etc. but also admit they find something about the thought of same sex intimacy repulsive or icky. These kind of passive ideas particularly within groups like professional sports teams aren't that easy to shake even if Isaac is not openly homophobic and a good dude.
@@DarkHarlequin You did remind me of that culture. I am a gay man so I kinda have a different perspective, but you elaborated what I was trying to convey in the last part of my reply. I would enjoy a story to see Issac overcome engrained homophobia that might not even be conscious. I've really enjoyed the Colin story as someone who was closeted for a good part of my life. The line of him saying it's just easy to not tell everyone I related with extremely.
I totally agree with you I was surprised when he said that Isaac's reaction was bad I think he respected it but he was shocked so he wanted to make up his mind
I read Isaac similarly. He was going to publicly rip Colin for not deleting yet, but when he saw why he shut his mouth to avoid drawing attention to Colin. There was an “oh I get it” reaction there.
One thing I haven't seen much comment about is that Jack is Keeley's boss, and I was really pleased to see you address it.. Considering the emphasis on ethics and power imbalances in relationships (Rebecca and Sam, Michelle and Dr Jake effectively pushing Ted out of his own marriage), I'm a little concerned about how this is being glossed over. The gift-giving WAS a red flag. The way she engineers the whole situation with the press release in this episode is a whole sea of red flags, but as Jacks' employee, how much power does Keeley have to walk away?
Sort-of boss. I am not sure to what degree she owns the company, beyond sending their own watch dogs to see what's being done with her her investments. Not saying that makes any of it suddenly not sketch, kind of the opposite, it's just all very LLC.
My read of Isaac's response was more that he was just processing a lot of information and knows, or has learned, that his immediate response probably won't be his best response. He seems like the kid of character who will come back to this later with a response which is the best he knows how to come back with.
It's nice to hear a positive reaction to this episode which was a really solid ep. According to Twitter, it's the worst ep ever ("too woke", ep was "just a PSA", etc.) & giving fans "pause" about where the show is going. As if the show hasn't proven itself again & again over the course of its run. I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work.
people are crazy it was a great ep building up foundations and placing misdirections for resolving all issues, it is really annoying when people goes in the same direction these see a gay character and they are screaming woke, completely missing all the threads and details
The term “woke”, imo, has been hijacked from its original definition and intention…it has become the Conservatives’ boogey man and is usually used to demean something they can’t understand or doesn’t align with their belief structure or way of thinking….its use in belittling anything they don’t agree with or find of substance has been ramped up in the last few years, most notably in Star Wars or Marvel fandom, wherein the “go woke, go broke” philosophy is too often used to voice anger or hate with how those properties are being creatively used by Disney…it’s really sad and unfortunate, I miss the days where people could just dislike something based on their specific merits and not because they feel a hidden agenda is being forced on them
People calling this the worst episode are the very ones who this episode called out. Considering how many men (and women) do not understand that a woman’s body is hers to do with as she pleases, the message needed to be blatant and hit over the head.
Ha! It's been that the whole time, it's just about when suddenly it's challenging them. Same way a bunch of people were upset when The Boys season 3 made it impossible to ignore Homelander was the bad guy; somehow him dating a Nazi didn't clue them in.
I dont usually watch these analyze ep kind of videos, but I got curious about this past episode (seeing some online bashing etc) and I think you did such a marvelous job at explaining it. Thank you.
Issac didn’t just “walk off” though. I think that was a nod of acceptance. He didn’t say anything because it wasn’t the right setting for the convo, too public.
A divorced friend turned his 6 year old son against his ex wife’s new partner (who happened to be his former best friend). He didn’t realise he was doing it, until he was told by his ex that his son destroyed something her new partner had built for him. After explaining to his son why he shouldn’t do that, he admitted that it actually made him proud. Thankfully he stopped the toxic behaviour towards his son, but he never really fully resolved his anger over what happened or accepted his role in the break up of their marriage
Jack drops a really telling statement in this episode when she mentions that her dad and his lawyers are the ones pushing Keeley to make the statement. Even Jack, for all her power and independence, is beholden to her dad's whims and expectations, which is why she's pushing Keeley so hard
I don't know the answer yet about Isaac and Colin, but let me offer a different theory. I think Isaac may be feeling disappointment in himself as the captain, that he didn't notice Colin himself, and he may feel that he let Colin down. So when he walks away it's not because of shame of Colin, but shame of himself that he's let a team member down.
I was honestly half sure that Roy only asked what he did because he doesn't know any way to express himself other than to find the person to whom it was sent (he knows it's not him), reverse-engineer the leak, and then...the Roy Kent effect. The other half of me is just sure he's emotionally stunted.
I really don't like Michelle. Mostly because she does start a HIGHLY unethical relationship with Dr Jacob. It's just gross how she and their therapist ganged up on Ted That really messed with his mental health. And, like you said, she offers absolutely NO empathy. Edit: but Rebecca was a true friend to Ted. And to Keeley She is a wonderful person now that she is leaving old Rebecca in the past
While the relationship is unethical, Michelle definitely isn't to blame. She can date pretty much whomever she likes, it's only unethical on Jacob's part. Also the "ganged up" bit is purely from Ted's perspective which is far from objective.
Michelle isn't to blame, it's Dr Jacob. Any therapist knows you don't date a client past or future. The fact that he does is just so inappropriate and crazy. Seriously though this whole Dr Jacob is so weird and uneeded. Why Dr Jacob? So Ted would have a reason to be worried? If anything this gives him an actual justifiable reason to dislike Dr Jacob. They should have just made it some random nice guy to further push the message that Ted needs to let go.
Michelle is essentially a victim in this scenario. It’s a common phenomenon that patients develop feelings for their therapists, and it’s up to the therapist to maintain professional boundaries. Therapy involves a lot of vulnerability and trust, which Dr. Jacob has clearly violated.
@@MrPoopenFarten SHE could have easily said “no. You’re my therapist” And remember, he’s got a leg up on her because he knows her feelings and what she wants and doesn’t and she has to start from zero. It’s like in that movie “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” when Patrick was attracted to Clementine and used inside info to woo her. Michelle is half at fault.
Maybe it’s because I like Isaac as a character but I took him walking away as partial embarrassment for how he handled it and also that he wanted to make sure he responds properly bc it was a lot for him so he walked away and next episode he will talk to Colin one on one about it, I think as the captain of the team he has a bit more to handle with it as opposed to someone else finding out. I don’t know but I think this will be a very interesting next episode
I think I want to take a moment to recognize the different relationships Bill Lawrence exercises with the audience: - Foreshadowing and Deceptive Foreshadowing - Classic but not entirely novel. Still important for setting up some well executed subversions. Hard to remember good examples, so input welcome - Comedy / Absurdity - Not entirely bang for your buck, message-wise, but some people find it funny. Penis Soccer I think falls under it here. Definitely earned goodwill points in the first season. - Wish Fulfillment / Call to Action - Diamond Dogs for example is something outside the realm if reality for most of us. B.L. is likely lobbying for/giving permission structure to make it reality. I think Full Nude Deletion might fall under the same banner except that it was clearly a direct call to make it happen - Unreliable Perspective - when B.L. deliberately emphasizes or deemphasizes some dynamic at play. Examples: Nate's, perhaps hyperbolic, view of Jade being aloof to him or Ted missing Nate's growing feeling of neglect in Season 2 What else you got?
Hi, just wanted to say I love all your videos! Your analyses are balanced and you always give characters the benefit of the doubt (especially when viewers tend to not want to) and offer the other perspective. Also, appreciation for your intro animation - it's so calming and doesn't make me want to skip over it, unlike a lot of other channels. Thank you for doing what you do!
I'm not surprised Jack did that to Keeley because the moment Rebecca said she was like Rupert it was obvious she is a bad person and that they will break up and seeing Keeley turn to Rebecca every time proves that Keeley also low key believes that jack is a bad person Keeley goes to Rebecca to guide her out of this relationship is how I see this and it's great to see how good of a friend Rebecca is and how she takes care of Keeley apart from that I really enjoy nate's story in the last episodes we can see him becoming more and more confident in himself and more happy
I found this channel while watching The Last of Us, and I just have to say that I always appreciate your thoughts on all of the shows you provide commentary on. Keep on keeping on!
I’m enjoying your thoughts and insights very much. Something I truly appreciated about this episode is the very human…painfully human…moments both Roy and Ted have. Two men we have come to respect both make mistakes and they know it. Roy showing support for Keeley but then with his own frailty asking her who the video was for and when she drives off he is immediately upset with himself. And then with Ted and Henry at bed time. This is the 2nd time I was saying to my TV screen “don’t do it!! Don’t do it!!!” The first being when Nate goes into the bathroom and he ends up not spitting at the mirror…I also rejoiced so much. But the importance of divorced parents not putting their kids in the middle…so important. And Ted starting to put Henry in the middle by asking him questions about Jake. I was so thankful that Henry just fell asleep and Ted, like Roy, immediately knew that was not the right thing to do…what did he say? Something like “come on man” get it together. Showing that people are human and although they are both respectable people they both make mistakes. But a truly respectable person will recognize it and learn from it.
There was a lot of hate for this episode, its the lowest rated episode of the whole show. Personally I thought it was a really great episode. I’m excited to see how they’re gonna end the show. Love your analysis; as always, a really nuanced take on the show. I particularly agreed with what you said about Isaac and Colin.
Rebecca was the advice Queen of this episode. Henry gets great advice form beard too. Hand wash guy is just a creep. Not happy with Isaac taking Colin’s phone.
You pointed out the lack of melodramatic in the show, and I’ve always loved this about the writing. One of the very few times I can think off the top of my head is Nate at the end of season 2, and it’s really more of a one-sided moment. The ideas of selflessness, sympathy, support, owning up to mistakes-it gives more evidence of character growth than big moments of conflict. Is it realistic? Not really, but Ted Lasso has always been more optimistic than realistic. And I believe that Isaac reacted that way because he felt betrayed, as you said. Personally, if a friend was hiding a huge part of their identity for possible fear of me excluding them, I would spiral. Even if I know it’s not really about me, it would start a train of thought as to why someone I care about would think the worst of me. But I guess I’ll have to wait until tomorrow.
About Jack and Keeley - I _could_ see Jack being friendly, caring, and empathetic, and then saying "ok, now we at some point need to look at the business angle of this, because rightly or wrongly, it might make you look bad." and then crafting some kind of "hey it's a free world and I can do what I want, but I also know some kids might have seen this and I don't want what seemed like a harmless thing become something troublesome." statement. (Another option would be to see what Anne Hathaway said about the upskirt-in-the-limo photos getting out.)
Respectfully disagree about Isaac walking off.. to me it showed he was respecting Collin didn’t want to talk about it and that Isaac had overstepped in taking Collin’s phone
Possibly but you can see how Colin feels from his reaction. Colin at least is interpreting Isaac's reaction badly, which either suggests Colin is right or that he misunderstood
Always love your insight. Yes, it was a bit more haphazard. I don't mind it. But I want to encourage the quality of your often well structured thought. It does not go unappreciated I was disappointed in the episode about Jack seeming rather two-faced. There was definitely a "business and boss" angle that wasn't really played through. I love Bill Lawrence's subtle imposition of perspective on the viewer, like as you said about Nate's projection of Jade's aloofness, or the entire of Season 2's "Forget About Nate" arc. So I do trust that it was done for a reason, and it may be to give Keeley just a little more Good vs Evil sentiment. That said, I liked how Isaac left Colin in that scene. I think there's a lot to be taken and imposed of our own feelings given the ambiguity. I didn't see it as homophobia from Isaac. I think at this point that might be cliche and outside the team's character, especially with Isaac as the clear leader. I didn't imagine what was going to come next at the time, but when prompted I had two possible understandings: first being a simple surprise and retreat from what he understood to be a situation to consider carefully before handling; and second that Isaac understood that he was invading someone else's privacy, in the middle of his own preaching I was also hoping you'd address the extremely thorough locker room nude photos scene. It struck me as a call to action straight from Bill Lawrence to us: "Delete them. Do it now." And I did. And I'm not embarrassed to say that I was affected by this story in this way. I generally take Reza Aslan's view that the stories of religion were never meant to be literal. Many religious texts were originally treated the same way law texts are: codes of conduct; fairytales with morals. I am fervently anti-theist. So I am happy to see where today's stories can take on the true roles of today's dogmatic absurdities. Lastly, I don't remember now where this relates fully. But I wanted to appreciate Dr Jacob's lack of appreciation for Ted that you mentioned. I don't think it's a little thing. And it could be Bill Lawrences' engineering but I could absolutely see it as something a real person would really do: not only take Ted's place; not only be his former therapist; but also not show appreciation for the difficult position it puts him in and be upfront about negotiating the proper handling of it for everyone's sake. It did strike me as especially difficult and maybe even cruel, but also surprisingly normal when you mentioned it and it didn't occur to me that he should. I think I can be sure that many of us are suffering quietly. I personally find I am the opposite of the James Acaster joke, but of course I doubt that that is nearly as novel, ironic, or unique. Bill Lawrence gives us a bit of wish fulfillment/encouragement/exposition in his Diamond Dogs. But this world has truly ramped up the rate at which the average person gets discarded, much less acknowledged. And Ted Lasso is an in-world hero: not always successful but staying the path he believes in. It occurred to me a few times in the episode, moments of Ted's connection with Michelle, in part because it was a little forced. I don't know how to feel about it either. It is meant to set up the possibility that they get back together, and I don't know if I want the wish fulfillment of the oft neglected great guy or if I want the acknowledgement of the great guy who gets left behind
I feel you missed where Nate tries to get his own diamond dogs together at the exact same point in the show where Ted gets the diamond dogs together. Maybe Nate missed that camaraderie that the diamond dogs brought him and doesn’t have any real support to talk things over
I'm really hoping for an happy end for Isaac and Colin. He doesn't seem homophobic or anything, to me it seemed like a friend who discovered something important, something private and got cought up in his own feeling and left because he didn't know how to react. My biggest hope is that by the end of the season Colin feels comfortable coming out with the rest of the team knowing he will be accepted and the only change in their relationship is that he can be true to himself all the time.
A lot of people really mad at Michelle for "ganging up" on Ted with her therapist but I just want to reiterate that the show doesn't tell us that's what happened, it tells us that's how Ted *felt* about their therapy sessions. And if you went to couples therapy with the *expectation* that it would fix your marriage and instead it made your partner realize they weren't happy with your relationship and wanted to leave it, even if that was the healthier choice for them, it's entirely reasonable for you to feel that way even if that's not what happened. Now, Jake dating her even a year later? That's a huge, HUGE problem and I'm a little surprised the show isn't taking it more seriously.
Yeah, my position was always that that was how Ted FELT it was. Which might be true, might not. Regardless, his feelings are important...then you realise they're in a relationship and it does make me wonder... I've been patient, hoping the show addresses how unethical it is at some point. If it never does, I will be a bit disappointed
Its so easy to see what the Isaac/Colin situation is going to be. In the end Isaac is not upset that colin is gay, he is upset he felt the need to hide it from him, they were supposed to be best friends. Modern TV is written by toddlers and its clear as crystal
For me, the Keeley storyline in season 3 has been tedious and taken up way too much precious screen time (and I do really like Keeley's character and Juno Temple is amazing). If we truly only have one last season with all these wonderful characters, it is really disappointing to have so much screen time spent on Keeley interacting with all these new characters (who I don't find that interesting and they don't really have enough time to build out). Last season her storylines worked so well because they also were intertwined with Roy, and we thus got lots of time with two main characters.
It seems to me that your reading of the Isaac/Colin scene missed the actual moral/ethical misstep. I didn't see Isaac reacting badly to Colin's sexuality. I saw him realizing he'd bullied his way into a friend's/teammate's private/secret business. Isaac *was* wrong. But he wasn't wrong because Colin is gay or because this is what he discovered. He was wrong because he tried to impose his will on everyone else's personal property and violated Colin's privacy. I think he and Jamie were right that it is wrong to keep pictures like that unless your ex approves. But trying to force your teammates - a bunch of grown men - to delete their pictures is totally out of line. Persuade them, sure. But he had no right to command them to delete private data. In addition to giving that order, it is outrageous to grab someone's phone out of their hands in this modern time when your phone holds so much data of personal value and meaning. The fact that it was Colin's sexuality was arbitrary in light of Isaac's true misstep. It could have been any secret. *Any* secret he could have found would have merited this reaction from Isaac: a shamed retreat at realizing that he'd gone too far and invaded someone's privacy (exactly what deleting an ex's nudes is supposed to avoid!) I keep asking myself, "How else *should* Isaac have behaved once he was looking into Colin's phone?" It's not a rhetorical question. He has been stomping around on everyone's privacy and walked into a deeply private secret. It has just become glaringly obvious to him that he was being a jerk. Even when I imagine an apology like, "Oi, I'm being a right prick looking at this, aren't I. I just did the thing I wanted everyone to avoid. I'm looking into your pictures...to delete the pictures... to make sure nobody other than you see the pictures... but I'm looking at those pictures in order to do it." None of that, however, is reacting well or poorly to Colin's sexuality. if I add even a tiny reference to Colin's sexuality to the apology, not only does it look like Isaac is uncomfortable at best with Colin being gay, it looks like he's making special exceptions for it. So, I am sincerely open to answers: How could Isaac have reacted to Colin's sexuality in a "good" way in this context?
This is a fair interpretation, yeah. The thing is, we don't truly know what Isaac is thinking or how he's reacting because he doesn't say. It's left to Colin to try and interpret, at a moment when Colin is no doubt feel highly anxious. It's not necessarily a disaster.. hopefully Isaac is able to come to him later and talk/resolve it, including an apology if he upset Colin, and for taking his phone. In the moment, he anything that wasn't walking off would've been better, anything that expressed clearly what his reaction meant. Something so at least Colin could understand what to think about it, and therefore how best to proceed in trying to help resolve it. Although, again, rarely are situations some perfect, idealised interaction. People are human and things are often confused. I trust them to resolve it next episode
If one of my friends has pictures they shouldn’t have better believe I’m gonna delete them if he says no. I guess you could tell the girl, but if you do nothing then you are no man.
@@accountsequity5587 I cannot agree with any of that. First of all, I don't see Isaac and Colin as friends. They're colleagues at their place of work in this scene, and Isaac already has some measure of power over Colin. Snatching up his phone can look like an abuse of that power. Second, my manhood doesn't hang on a willingness to meddle in the privacy of other adults. I can see refusing to keep another man's secret. But If you break into another man's secrets (friend or not,) meddle with his private property, and/or seek out intimate partners from their past to *tattle* on them then your manhood isn't just questionable. Your vulnerability to legal action is too.
Great video analysis, as our intrepid characters turn lighter/darker and feel the consequences. Of Keeley’s 3 lovers, both Jack and Roy are tripped up by their own jealousy. The idea of Keeley masturbating on video for someone else (turns out it was Jamie when they were still dating) has lit the rage of the green eyed monster. Remember when Jack told Keeley she was very jealous? She displays the kind of mad jealousy that expects her mate to regret all her past, but cloaks it with a business excuse. In addition, Jack has just been slapped by something her billionaire class cannot abide, something tacky.
Keley is the perfect example of how woman REFUSE to be responsible and accountable for their actions and will rationalize ANY behavior in order to avoid saying I was wrong or I made a mistake.
Dude,the reason Michelle has not recognized and expressed appreciation for Ted's handling of the Dr. Jake relationship is that she is not wholly invested in it. On the Sopranos, Dr. Melissa explained that patients sometimes develop feelings for their counselors because they are receiving non-judgmental listening and consideration, with doses of honesty. They can confuse that for love. I am betting that is where Michelle is. I am also not going to say it out loud, but 1. In an interview last year Sudeikis was asked whether Ted will finally fall in love. His response? "Who said he was ever out of love?" 2. The angelic(!) Mae, "Anything is possible, Ted." I have significant hope that they have figured out why zero people were satisfied by the final moments of Nurse Jackie and Ozark. It doesn't have to be fatalistic to be realistic. Unrealistic happy endings are a big hit, generally. I suspect a realistic happy ending can also be a big hit. Though I think it will be more like trying again than instantly picking up as a solid couple.
Just found your channel by chance, really enjoyed it! Just subbed, really enjoyed your perspectives on the episode. Keep it up!! ps. oh i think that Jake moment where she comments on the reality tv star with a big dick is foreshadowing that it was Jamie that got hacked.
I took Isaac's reaction to finding out about Colin very differently than you did. Maybe I just interpreted it wrong, but I saw it more as him saying 'alright mate, I won't say anything'... in which case Colin is still disappointed and hurt that he didn't get support from Isaac, but not necessarily mad at him for rejection or anything. I think Isaac needs time to process that info
I don’t think Issac had a non reaction to discovering the pictures on Colin’s phone and realizing that Colin is gay…his reaction is subtle but for a handful of beats he takes the information in, acknowledges what it means, and briefly nods his acceptance…he leaves without causing a scene or forcing Colin to verbally confirm what he saw…he gives Colin the space he needs without judgement or requiring anything further for him…most of all, at least in the moment and for now, he keeps what he learned between just Colin and himself….whereas some folks would make a scene, berate Colin for keeping who he is secret and/or demand explanations in front of the rest of his peers, Issac simply gives a nod of acknowledgement and possibly acceptance and lets Colin be…to decide on how he wants to proceed going forward…which is exactly how it should have been left….coming out is deeply personal and no one gets to dictate how or when a person should do it…this is, of course,strictly my interpretation of the scene but it is an opinion based on what I know of Issac’s character as it has shown to be thus far…his reaction is inline with who is as a person, teammate, captain, and friend….of course we won’t know if anything I’m theorizing is true until we see the rest of season’s episodes but I feel pretty confident in my reading of the scene
Higgins and Will was meant to contrast Jamie and his father. Jamie’s father took him to Amsterdam to “become a man” in a way that is traditionally masculine and it was very traumatic for Jamie. It was not something he wanted to do. When Higgins took Will to the little concert thing he said Will was becoming a man, however it was not a traditional masculine way at all. It was gentle and it was something that Will actually wanted to do.
Isaac needs to apologize for taking his cell phone and it needs to fix everything. It shows that he doesn't believe it's a story that he's gay and that he's still the same person to him
I think Isaac was more surprised than anything. He also seemed to feel bad for taking his phone. He shouldn't be going through others phones regardless, that's just wrong. That whole bit was messed up and I kinda hope he loses his team captain position. Targets or no, you can't force people to delete their property. Colin postured all the time about women to the team. So I think what we saw was Isaac figuring it out. He didn't resolve it well either way. I'm sure the team will be fine with it if he comes out.
Like you said, I honestly don't think that Isaac is necessarily upset that Colin is gay. I think he feels betrayed that Colin lied to them all, that he never told them. The team is now all about mutual trust, and to Isaac's - the team captain - it must really sting to learn that the same trust isn't being extended from everyone, whether that's fair or not. I would be genuinly surprised if it was actual homophobia, tbh. But hey, you never know.
Yeah, I'd agree with that, although being her boss does still further enhance that dynamic, or make her feel mote entitled to seek the control she's desiring
i definitely think that isaac's just hurt bc colin didn't tell him, coupled with the fact that he found out by pullin that dumb phone stunt & now he feels like a jackass (which i hope is true, cuz that was a total jackass move). isaac & colin are best friends, and isaac (and the rest of the team) has proven that he's very accepting. anything less would be un-lasso-like. so i see nothin but light & positivity comin colin's way. 🥰 jack is the worrrrrst. ugh i do not like her at all, especially for keeley. 😣 jamie's character growth has been amazing to watch throughout the entire series, and i wouldn't put it past him to be the one who reunites keeley & roy. 🤗 but it might also be phoebe who makes a triumphant return & talks some sense into her uncle. lol
Jack was awful and I hope she never comes back after what she did this episode. At first I thought the statement was just her trying to cover her company's ass and that she'd explain later that wasn't what she actually believed but corporate communications are what they are. But then she actually was just as misogynist as the statement suggested, when Keeley said "are you coming back?" I was so mad because why on earth would Keeley want her to?!?!?!?!
It's not for anyone to judge Isaacs reaction. If you are gay you don't get to tell people how to react to that information if you have been hiding it. That is not a negative reaction.
Wait, there's an ethical side to it? 😂 In all seriousness, I do plan to. I've more been waiting patiently to see if the show itself will address it or not
I think this may the worst episode of the series, it only furthered going down the path of people's character suddenly changing just because it's convenient for the plot and random time wasting. Just last episode Jack showed that she cared so much about the relationship that she was willing to make it public despite how bad it could look with that Weinstein level of power differentials, but then this episode not apologizing for a dirty video getting leaked is enough to end the relationship makes no sense (I've never heard of celebrities apologizing for leaks of ethical nudes, and such things seem to actually have a positive effect on peoples' celebrity status.) The weird "delete your nudes PSA" seemed like it was just someone with an axe to grind and went on for way too long. Also the attitude of someone's nudes getting leaked is a tragedy, doesn't really match the message of people shouldn't be ashamed of their sexuality.
Oh come on, the dick part was funny. If Roy was just a figure of power for them yeah it'd be inappropriate but because he's their former teammate and captain it's a lot more like an older brother playing a prank on his younger siblings
I don't blame people for finding humour in it, it is just meant to be a small, throwaway joke. But in a show that has been show mature in its handling of mental health? It is very off tonally, and very uncharacteristic of Roy to be sadistically seeking pleasure in it. Not to mention that, in reality, it would be s3xua1 harassm3nt
Maybe you shouldn't have made the video in the first place....Jack is 100% right. In the digital age you can not expect ANY level of privacy and a good rule of thumb is that every picture you take and every video you make is going to end up in the public domain at one point or another.
I'm surprised how comparatively cool you seem to be with Dr. jacob as a Marriage Counselor (someone whos job it is to see peoples relationships at their worst, really dive in where it may hurt with them) dating a former patient, only saying it's a bit unethical. For me that essentially reads almost as someone setting himself up so he prfessionally meetis women at their most emotionally vulnerable, maybe even guiding them towards splitting with their partner and then preying on that vulnerability to get with them? That doesn't to me just feel a bit iffy. I find that actively concerning so I'm a bit suprprised how comparatively layed back you as an active Therapist see this while some bad taste jokes about roy and strings and private parts seem to really rile you up. As I said surprising 🤔Maybe there's an angle I'm not seeing as a non-Therapist😉
I think throughout every My Little Thought Tree video I have seen I really believe he never judges any characters actions without seeing their motivation and knowing more about them so I think this might just be the case of a well trained therapist never diving in with strong opinions whereas the strong reaction to Roy being sadistic is more disappointment in the writing team choosing to put this in for a weak joke.
Not relaxed about it at all, I said here, and in the past, it is highly unethical and there are grounds for suspension... possibly... I don't know what it's like in the US. It's more just what else can I say? It is unethical and ofcourse it's a massive, massive blow to Ted. What can he do? Michelle is free to live her own life as she chooses. He could report Jake, possibly. Again, I don't quite know how it works. If he wanted to do that, I think we could all understand but I don't think he'd want to do that to his wife's bew partner. There's just a limited amount I can say on the matter, other than that I don't like it and it shouldn't happen. Like it or not, it has happened and, for the sake of his son, Ted feels he needs to accept it
@@mylittlethoughttree Maybe I just missred your lack of commentary then 😊. Idk I just assumed it would irk you more if you as a therapist have a hard enough time with peoples reservations about therapy and opening up and then there is a character who is everything, all the bad takes on therapy assume. Like before I thought 'ok I can see how it could feel like the marriage counceling on a failing relationship is kind of an ambush against you and your relationship.'. But how can I fault Ted now for not trusting therapists? He was 100% right! His Marriage councelor was after his wife and was working to seperate them and his 2nd Therapist he trusted is treating him like a bothersome comodity. Annoyingly I fully understand why he would never see a therapy session ever again! I would be annoyed as a Therapist 😅 Aplologies for kind of projecting that feeling on you. 😉
@@DarkHarlequin no, no, I think you make a great point there, actually. It doesn't help the stigma at all and perhaps me emphasising better that it's not ok would prevent people being put off actual therapy by it. I'm hoping there will be more to talk about with Jake this season, though. He's been very much on the edges. If a good place comes up, it'd definitely be worth me pressing the point more
I really enjoyed the first two seasons of TL, but season three is different. They've made every character boring. I haven't laughed or cheered. Keeley and Jack won't work out. Jack makes her miserable. She's better off with Roy. Isaac has no business grabbing someone else's phone without their permission. That's the issue. Collen should be pissed, and Isaac should apologize. Ted has every right to be angry. His ex-wife is mean, selfish and/or ignorant. Regardless, it's time for Ted to move on. Work out a custody agreement and start living. Nate is the only interesting character this season. It may be time for him to do a spinoff. He's too good for this show right now, and they're missing some comedy with Jade. She can be funny. The writers would do well to get back to soccer, get back to the players, and get back to comedy. This isn't even a good drama right now.
It was awful. Completely contrived storyline pulling a deus ex machina so they can have fake drama and espouse a fascist line of thinking that somehow masquerades as moral. This show is getting worse and worse.
@@mylittlethoughttree your even-handed-ness and open mind are what I aspire to; will get there, I hope. Thank you for your analyses, for providing this forum, and for exemplifying the Lasso Way.
Regarding Keeley it seems like a whole politicised plot line but there are many flaws in it that you don’t bring up. Firstly if she wasn’t sorry and was completely fine and comfortable with the video then why would she have a breakdown at the start of the episode. You don’t have a breakdown when someone exposes a positive thing about you. And it is also insensitive to Jack and how she feels in that situation she has a right to know what is out there and it is problematic that Keeley doesn’t even know. Like you can’t really use the argument that women are pushed to be sexual then condemned for being sexual because in the anecdote Keeley said about her sending pictures to her teacher I’d imagine if the teacher had pushed her into that it would be a much greater issue than the issue of internet leaks so it would be weird to brush over that. And it’s also naive to think men being sexual and women being sexual is the same thing. It clearly isn’t, gender roles and sexual dynamics are evidence of this. Lastly I think the phrase used in the show about men pushing women to be sexual but then condemned them for being sexual shows a depth of thinking. The phrase should be men push women to be sexual ( with them ) and condemn women for being sexual ( with other people ) because this is literally indicative of marriage and an example of sexual dynamics. We push women into relationships and almost always with the best intentions that obviously becomes sexual but if she were to cheat and be sexual with someone else then she would be condemned. So having gained a more nuanced explanation for that phrase would you still stand by your position that that isn’t right? Because that would be saying marriage and essentially any kind of relationship with exclusivity is wrong.
Only regarding your first point about Keeley: people are complex and can feel many emotions at once. She is not ashamed of sending a nude to loved one, though she was probably stressed and embarrassed by the situation that was out of her control for the world to see. Her having an emotional breakdown in result of the video is out for the world to see is understandable
Do you not get that there is a difference between the one intended person seeing a video and everyone in the world potentially seeing it? Because she has no reason to be sorry as it's not her fault that the video got released. It was even in the text of the episode so even the complete morons might get it: Sending it to someone she thought she could trust isn't the issue, the issue is that an illegal act has lead to the release.
I mean you can not be sorry about a private act yet be mortified of the thought of it being seen openly. I'm not at all sorry of showering very much naked almost every day yet I wouldn't want everyody to be able to watch me shower...
I think I'd stand by my position, yeah, because I don't agree with too much of what you've said there. The first point being Keeley isn't fine with the video being leaked at all. What she is fine with is that she made it. A private video from an old relationship sent to someone she trusted. She doesn't feel ashamed of doing that. That doesn't automatically mean she should be fine with hackers leaking that video to the world. It's like someone who felt comfortable talking about vulnerable things to a friend, wouldn't like that conversation recorded and posted online. If it was, you shouldn't feel bad for opening up about vulnerable topics to that friend, you'd feel angry at whoever recorded and posted it publicly. Ofcourse Jack has the right to ask, but shaming her and walking out when Keeley isn't able to answer? Doesn't seem the fairest... although I don't think it's about fairness nor do I mean to judge Jack in my video. She reacted as she did and we can understand why, even if it could've gone better. Not sure what your point about men and women sexual dynamics means nor why it's relevant? (Hope that doesn't read as aggressive, I just mean could you explain a bit more?) I definitely disagree with the final point. Women (although it can be men too, but obviously this is about women) are sexualised not just for good intentions. There are many, many people out there looking to abuse someone or use sex as a way to project down onto another, or all sorts of motives. Sometimes objectifying can go hand in hand with projection, or wanting to dismiss someone as innocent, or shame them, which is often where the word s1ut is used. In that sense, I think it's a simplification to say it's always with good intentions, and also to say it's always directly about actually wanting to have sex. More so, I'm not sure I ever really see it as good intentions. You can be sexually attracted to someone without reducing them down to just sexuality. You can recognise their humanity, you don't have to objectify a person. I get the feeling I may be misunderstanding what you meant there, though. So let me know
No, Keeley had the phrase just right. Men do sexualize women in every form of art (which I think is more to the point here than personal relationships, although your assumption about men almost always getting into sexual relationships with the best of intentions is belied by, well, pretty much everyone’s personal experience of at least one bad relationship). But women who own their sexuality are still condemned for it. As just an example off the top of my head, how many people still can’t wrap their heads around the concept of sex workers ever being victims of rape? But back to Keeley: she said herself she didn’t mind all the topless photos of herself on the Internet because she had purposely put them out there. Having a private video made for one person’s eyes only stolen and published robbed her of her agency and was a terrible violation of her privacy. Let’s say she had made the video with her boyfriend and never sent it to him but kept it off the Internet; she wouldn’t need to feel shame about about that, would she? But lots of things we do and say in private we don’t want broadcast to the world, and saying that she shouldn’t have sent in the first place not only blames the victim but makes it just that much easier for people who steal and publish private content to escape blame or even consequences.
your point about acceptance made me think. i realised i loved the scene with Jamie and Keeley so much because it's more than acceptance (i don't know the proper psych term but hear me out). he didn't just tell her it's okay and that he's there for her, he blamed himself as a way to shoulder some of the burden for her because everyone else indirectly or not told her it's her fault. i think he was trying to tell her 'not only i accept you, we're in this together' and without expectation from her. it reminds me how he was the one to support sam and share the black tape. love this type of arc, when it matters, he's doing actions
I agree, and what touches our hearts, I believe, is seeing Jamie be accountable all on his own for not having deleted her email with the video, as understandable as it was that he forgot. What personal growth he’s undergone since the episode “For the Children”. I also love how the actor plays the scene with such an open face and soft expression in his eyes, as if he has finally transcended the damaging toughness of his terrible father.
To expand on your point, a consitant thing with Jade and Nate is every time he's himself and more real, she pulls closer, and every time he is fake or trying to act like more than he is, she pulls away. In that sense him tripping and falling before asking her out but still doing it was probably the best way for him yo ask her out that she'd say yes to. And on this episode, the morning after scene where he secretly does all his bathroom stuff and brushes his teeth and all of it, so he'll be thay way when she wakes up as perfect as he can be. Then after he tries to put a label on their relationship but she resists and basically just leaves. Whereas later when he is just being himself after the victory, thats when she pulls closer and is willing to put the label on. I also liked in that scene her rermark of that he should celebrate his victories. Subtly showing both she sees a flaw and something he should work on. Not for her, but for his own happiness. Just subtly suporting him. -Daven
Beautifully put! Really cool having you put up here as well, thanks!
I also have a feeling that Jade might be neurodivergent.
But I can’t really back that up.
@@ezz625 In the same way that Nate might be. I feel that one reason they are tentatively (and now more openly) attracted to each other is that they see themselves in the other person (shy, awkward, sweet). This expands on the point here: When Nate pretends to be someone else, he is telegraphing that his (and thus also her) character is something to be rid off.
@@mylittlethoughttree I'm very much enjoying your analysis of Ted Lasso. :-) Approximately my new second favorite show of all time after the absolute masterpiece in all ways that is The Good Place. :-) Possibly tied with Star Trek the Next Generation. :-) -Daven
My theory would be that Isaac isn’t mad because Colin is gay, rather that he is mad because Colin kept it as a secrets from him and maybe perceived it as Colin doesn’t trust him.
He could also be mad that gay football player still have to hide who they really are.
That's what I reckon too
I completely agree. They’ve been close as brothers for years and I can understand being hurt by not knowing.
Such a good point. Being the captain and always wanting to be there for his brothers, must hurt his character thinking that Collin can’t trust him to that degree.
Colin is hurt Isaac couldn't figure it out by himself despite being such close mates
The whole "Ted loses his wife to his wife's therapist" plot really makes me sick to my stomach. Dr. Jacob is a predator who (at the very least) should lose his therapist license!!
That’s why Dr Sharon and Sassy brushing it off seems so weird to me. They as colleagues in field should absolutely know that what Dr Jacob is doing is highly unethical and report him.
You’re one of the first people I’ve seen that didn’t blame Michelle, and that really bums me out. She went to a trusted professional to help save her marriage and ended up divorced. I already felt bad that Ted felt ganged up on in therapy, but now it’s even worse because Dr. Jacob was probably doing it on purpose.
@@JoshityJosh Yeah, that part really upset me. If it were any real psychologist I know, that conversation would have ground to a screeching halt to specifically, explicitly discuss the doctor-patient thing and get more details. If you haven’t seen the person as a patient for a two year interval it’s sooooometimes allowed, but only in very extenuating circumstances (like you’re from Nowhereville, Ohio so the psychologist you see was in your graduating class and goes to your church). I looked into it and found a case in Kansas about a woman whose current therapist found out she was sleeping with her previous therapist, and that therapist contacted the previous one to tell him to report his own conduct to the licensing board. He did, and there were heavy consequences. The whole thing is so obviously unacceptable that it’s wild to watch the show keep gliding past it.
@@JoshityJosh do they know all of it though?
Has Ted clearly said his ex-wife is with _her_ old therapist and their marriage counselor?
Yep, there are ethical rules about how long one has to wait after ending a counseling relationship with someone before one can have a personal relationship with them. I wanna say 2 years? He should lose his license.
I feel like Issac will be moreso angry with himself in a sense that he feels like he hasn’t been a good enough team captain that one of his players hasn’t felt comfortable telling him this, I think that’ll end up being the pretty simple resolution to this storyline, nothing groundbreaking but still heartfelt in the end I’m sure
Issac is a good guy
It was his stance that the celebs images being leaked was unfair and that the team should protect their acquaintances privacy by delegating vulnerable images from their phones
I think he just realized by snatching Colin’s phone he just did the very thing he was trying to prevent - he exposed an innocent
I think he’s mad and ashamed by his own behavior
Issac is well intentioned - he will come good and make amends ❤️
I think Jack has a tragically common personality trait in that she knows what kindness is, but it's not integral to her identity. She uses kindness or displays of it deliberately and targetedly. And she almost certainly feels like a good person for this because to her the only "valid" persons are the ones she had affections for and therefore her targeted and narrow beam of kindness or consideration hits 100% of the "actual people".
Well said. This is how bigots go about their lives too, never realizing that they are, in fact, a bigot
I totally agree. But I also think, both with Jack and with Isaac, we have to remember the rule about being kind, because people are living lives we know nothing about. Jack's reaction to Keeley is unconscionable, but we have to remember that she's a high-profile person too. She's torn between wanting a future with Keeley, and not wanting this scandal to affect her. We don't know how out she is to her family, to her wealthy community, etc. We don't know how much pressure is on her to live a respectable life.
Jack may be a venture capitalist, but she strikes me also as not exactly a self-made billionaire. She comes from money. That paints her every success as not entirely her own, and magnified every problem as the antics of a spoiled rich girl. So she's probably living with the constant pressure of having to live up to her family name, and the privilege her wealth affords.
None of this excuses her making this violation that happened to Keeley about herself and her reputation. She's responsible for taking ownership of her own issues, and not blaming Keeley for them, especially when Keeley is at her most vulnerable. She's at a crossroads, and has to choose between remaining an insider in her rich world where one keeps up appearances, and having a real relationship with a real person who doesn't fit those appearances. She can't have both, and she has to choose which one to sacrifice. Just like Colin.
@@rottensquid I think Issac may be experiencing prejudice in reverse where he's already decided this person is important to him, part of his ersatz family prior to finding out he is gay.
We also may be assuming he has a prejudice as opposed to simply being surprised to have been incorrect in his assumptions.
You know I was thinking about Colin and Isaac. When my mom found out I'm queer her first reaction was to go "oh... okay :)" and then keep going like it was nothing, then she met my girlfriend and was instantly in love with her. It never occurred to me that she was struggling with that knowledge, but years later she confessed that it was a shock in the beginning because of how she was raised (very catholic), and that even having gay friends, the fact that it was her daughter felt different. She just hadn't said anything then because she felt that she was the one "in the wrong" for being uncomfortable.
When I saw that scene for the first time I thought that maaaybe Isaac's reaction was to walk away because he didn't know how to react. Sometimes people don't know what to say, their initial reaction is shock in some way and they are aware that they need time to process information instead of immediately saying something that they know could be wrong. Obviously he could have reassured Colin in some way, if that is the case. Walking out without at least clarifying something isn't the best course of action. It's not right but maybe he's doing something along the lines of what my mom did. idk
I was more annoyed at him for taking the phone like that than anything. Privacy, dude
With Keeley I thought they would make her do exactly the opposite of what Jack wanted. Put out a statement about the sexualization of women, the unfairness of her being the one at blame in the eyes of people, when the ones who leaked out the content are the as$holes. Or something along those lines, something empowering that, at the same time, could create some conflict between her and Jack because she didn't do what Jack considers to be the safe thing. I like that they are taking their time to resolve that issue though. Hope they don't drop it entirely in the next episode.
That's a really great example, yeah! I struggled with wording my point. Ideally, Colin deserves acceptance and Isaac needs to make it clear he's ok with it, because Colin is ofcourse incredibly anxious in that moment. It's a shame he doesn't reassure him BUT that doesn't instantly make him homophobic or against it, or "bad" for not communicating better. Sometimes it is just like that, big news can take time for a person to adjust to for all sorts of reasons: sometimes fair reasons, sometimes unfair, sometimes completely irrational. It's not a nice moment at all for Colin and I hope Isaac comes to apologise, but we also understand Isaac's reaction and want to help him manage better
@@mylittlethoughttree In the locker room, when the leak is first announced, the Sun calls it a "Whankarama" and Colin says "well I know what I am going to be doing this weekend". To which Isaac gives him a glaring look and tells everyone to delete all the naked photos that they have on their phones. Collin has a look of desperation, he doesn't want to delete that part of his life. After they are told Keeley was one of those hacked, it becomes more desperate and everyone begins' deleting photos. but Colin gets up and leaves the room. Isaac follows angry that his friend is not complying and grabs his phone to find out what could be so important. He looks at Collin with a typical Isaac stern look, hands him the phone, looks away and nods. He is acknowledging why Collin was being awkward but I think he it hurt that his best friend didn't trust him to share this information.
@@kevindoyle6386 I never got the impression that Colin and Isaac are besties, but they're all very close. Regardless, I think you nailed the reason Isaac was being so pushy. Isaac was right, you can't go around with nude pictures of your hookups for anyone to hack, especially if you're a celebrity.
But I think we forget what it's like to live in a very "straight" world, which is to say a world where no one you know talks to you about being gay. Like with Jack, we don't know what Isaac's life is like. He may be one of those people who thinks he doesn't know any gay people (Bruv, you do. They just don't tell you.) As far as Isaac knows, gayness only happens in the news. So he's never considered how to think about it. Luckily, the whole point of the show is that Ted has nurtured an environment where people can talk about stuff. So I expect Isaac will try to bottle it up, but everyone will notice, and he'll finally go to someone like Roy who can help him integrate the fact that he doesn't actually live in a straight world, because there's no such thing.
Reminds me when we told my boyfriends mum we were getting married. She walk to the kitchen, I thought she was upset.. she was crying tears of joy
@@rottensquidi saw it a bit differently. For me isaac's reaction was more along the lines of: "Oh i stumbled onto this information, which wasn't meant for me. I won't say a thing until you will come up and say something." And saying anything would acknowledge, he knows whats up (clearly he does), but would force a confrontation and coming out of sorts, even if Colin is ready or not in that moment.
Atleast that's what i hope. I really like isaac :D and would hate for him to be bigoted.
Though his reaction could be his type of accepting, but it's a rough and unnerving reaction from Colin's persepective anyways.
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Thank you for this analysis! I just want to add, about Keeley, that I think it's better that they didn't make her relationship with Jack a happy ever after, especially since Jack didn't give Keeley much space for independence. But most importantly because Keeley seems to be jumping from a relationship to another for some reason without giving herself time to heal and grow personally.
The diamond dogs scene was hilarious and, shows that Ted was overthinking it. Yet, given that Nate wanted to have his own version of the meeting later on. I think his advice to Ted would have helped him gain perspective, just as the Ted’s DD would have helped Nate. What makes both scenes great is that neither Ted or Nate benefited from their respective meetings, it’s an interesting parallel between them.
Imo, Ted did benefit from the advice the guys gave him…he understood what they were saying to him but only partially bought into it because of his own struggles with accepting his divorce…the advice didn’t fully cement itself in his head or take on prominence until Rebecca expanded upon that advice by telling him how his reaction to something that may or may not happen was affecting his relationship with his son…when Ted heard that, the advice the guys gave him earlier took on some clarity and helped him to realize that he couldn’t freak out about something he can’t control and hasn’t actually happened yet…what he could do was control how it affected his relationship with his son, which is something a lot of people going thru divorce don’t always pick up on, how their reactions and feelings affect others specifically their children
I just noticed, at West Ham even Beard is trying not to smile at Nate
I think I had a different perspective on the Issac-Colin situation. I felt like there was a slight nod of acceptance from Issac and he walked away because it's obviously something to not discuss in public along with collect his own thoughts.
I think the next episode will frame the fears from Colin of his teammate knowing and eventually coming out with the help of Issac. But I am curious to see how they take that story because there could be a good learning lesson rift in what it could cause.
I think he's also forgetting how conservative and 'classic heterosexually male' the sports/football culture is. He states in the video that we live in more open times... yet not essntially no footballer at the professional level has come out as openly gay. I think you shouldn't underestimate that kind of cultural influence. I have met people who have stated that they fully support equal rights etc. but also admit they find something about the thought of same sex intimacy repulsive or icky. These kind of passive ideas particularly within groups like professional sports teams aren't that easy to shake even if Isaac is not openly homophobic and a good dude.
@@DarkHarlequin You did remind me of that culture. I am a gay man so I kinda have a different perspective, but you elaborated what I was trying to convey in the last part of my reply. I would enjoy a story to see Issac overcome engrained homophobia that might not even be conscious.
I've really enjoyed the Colin story as someone who was closeted for a good part of my life. The line of him saying it's just easy to not tell everyone I related with extremely.
I totally agree with you I was surprised when he said that Isaac's reaction was bad I think he respected it but he was shocked so he wanted to make up his mind
I read Isaac similarly. He was going to publicly rip Colin for not deleting yet, but when he saw why he shut his mouth to avoid drawing attention to Colin. There was an “oh I get it” reaction there.
One thing I haven't seen much comment about is that Jack is Keeley's boss, and I was really pleased to see you address it.. Considering the emphasis on ethics and power imbalances in relationships (Rebecca and Sam, Michelle and Dr Jake effectively pushing Ted out of his own marriage), I'm a little concerned about how this is being glossed over. The gift-giving WAS a red flag. The way she engineers the whole situation with the press release in this episode is a whole sea of red flags, but as Jacks' employee, how much power does Keeley have to walk away?
Sort-of boss. I am not sure to what degree she owns the company, beyond sending their own watch dogs to see what's being done with her her investments.
Not saying that makes any of it suddenly not sketch, kind of the opposite, it's just all very LLC.
small thing, TED HAS A GREEN MATCHBOX
My read of Isaac's response was more that he was just processing a lot of information and knows, or has learned, that his immediate response probably won't be his best response. He seems like the kid of character who will come back to this later with a response which is the best he knows how to come back with.
It's nice to hear a positive reaction to this episode which was a really solid ep. According to Twitter, it's the worst ep ever ("too woke", ep was "just a PSA", etc.) & giving fans "pause" about where the show is going. As if the show hasn't proven itself again & again over the course of its run. I enjoy your videos, keep up the good work.
people are crazy it was a great ep building up foundations and placing misdirections for resolving all issues, it is really annoying when people goes in the same direction these see a gay character and they are screaming woke, completely missing all the threads and details
The term “woke”, imo, has been hijacked from its original definition and intention…it has become the Conservatives’ boogey man and is usually used to demean something they can’t understand or doesn’t align with their belief structure or way of thinking….its use in belittling anything they don’t agree with or find of substance has been ramped up in the last few years, most notably in Star Wars or Marvel fandom, wherein the “go woke, go broke” philosophy is too often used to voice anger or hate with how those properties are being creatively used by Disney…it’s really sad and unfortunate, I miss the days where people could just dislike something based on their specific merits and not because they feel a hidden agenda is being forced on them
People calling this the worst episode are the very ones who this episode called out.
Considering how many men (and women) do not understand that a woman’s body is hers to do with as she pleases, the message needed to be blatant and hit over the head.
Ha! It's been that the whole time, it's just about when suddenly it's challenging them.
Same way a bunch of people were upset when The Boys season 3 made it impossible to ignore Homelander was the bad guy; somehow him dating a Nazi didn't clue them in.
I dont usually watch these analyze ep kind of videos, but I got curious about this past episode (seeing some online bashing etc) and I think you did such a marvelous job at explaining it. Thank you.
Issac didn’t just “walk off” though. I think that was a nod of acceptance. He didn’t say anything because it wasn’t the right setting for the convo, too public.
It's certainly a plausible interpretation, but we can tell from Colin's reaction, that's not he feels
A divorced friend turned his 6 year old son against his ex wife’s new partner (who happened to be his former best friend). He didn’t realise he was doing it, until he was told by his ex that his son destroyed something her new partner had built for him. After explaining to his son why he shouldn’t do that, he admitted that it actually made him proud. Thankfully he stopped the toxic behaviour towards his son, but he never really fully resolved his anger over what happened or accepted his role in the break up of their marriage
Jack drops a really telling statement in this episode when she mentions that her dad and his lawyers are the ones pushing Keeley to make the statement. Even Jack, for all her power and independence, is beholden to her dad's whims and expectations, which is why she's pushing Keeley so hard
I don't know the answer yet about Isaac and Colin, but let me offer a different theory. I think Isaac may be feeling disappointment in himself as the captain, that he didn't notice Colin himself, and he may feel that he let Colin down. So when he walks away it's not because of shame of Colin, but shame of himself that he's let a team member down.
I was honestly half sure that Roy only asked what he did because he doesn't know any way to express himself other than to find the person to whom it was sent (he knows it's not him), reverse-engineer the leak, and then...the Roy Kent effect. The other half of me is just sure he's emotionally stunted.
I really don't like Michelle. Mostly because she does start a HIGHLY unethical relationship with Dr Jacob.
It's just gross how she and their therapist ganged up on Ted
That really messed with his mental health. And, like you said, she offers absolutely NO empathy.
Edit: but Rebecca was a true friend to Ted. And to Keeley
She is a wonderful person now that she is leaving old Rebecca in the past
While the relationship is unethical, Michelle definitely isn't to blame. She can date pretty much whomever she likes, it's only unethical on Jacob's part. Also the "ganged up" bit is purely from Ted's perspective which is far from objective.
Michelle isn't to blame, it's Dr Jacob. Any therapist knows you don't date a client past or future. The fact that he does is just so inappropriate and crazy. Seriously though this whole Dr Jacob is so weird and uneeded. Why Dr Jacob? So Ted would have a reason to be worried? If anything this gives him an actual justifiable reason to dislike Dr Jacob. They should have just made it some random nice guy to further push the message that Ted needs to let go.
Michelle is essentially a victim in this scenario. It’s a common phenomenon that patients develop feelings for their therapists, and it’s up to the therapist to maintain professional boundaries. Therapy involves a lot of vulnerability and trust, which Dr. Jacob has clearly violated.
@@MrPoopenFarten SHE could have easily said “no. You’re my therapist”
And remember, he’s got a leg up on her because he knows her feelings and what she wants and doesn’t and she has to start from zero. It’s like in that movie “Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” when Patrick was attracted to Clementine and used inside info to woo her. Michelle is half at fault.
Agree with everything you said
Maybe it’s because I like Isaac as a character but I took him walking away as partial embarrassment for how he handled it and also that he wanted to make sure he responds properly bc it was a lot for him so he walked away and next episode he will talk to Colin one on one about it, I think as the captain of the team he has a bit more to handle with it as opposed to someone else finding out. I don’t know but I think this will be a very interesting next episode
I think I want to take a moment to recognize the different relationships Bill Lawrence exercises with the audience:
- Foreshadowing and Deceptive Foreshadowing - Classic but not entirely novel. Still important for setting up some well executed subversions. Hard to remember good examples, so input welcome
- Comedy / Absurdity - Not entirely bang for your buck, message-wise, but some people find it funny. Penis Soccer I think falls under it here. Definitely earned goodwill points in the first season.
- Wish Fulfillment / Call to Action - Diamond Dogs for example is something outside the realm if reality for most of us. B.L. is likely lobbying for/giving permission structure to make it reality. I think Full Nude Deletion might fall under the same banner except that it was clearly a direct call to make it happen
- Unreliable Perspective - when B.L. deliberately emphasizes or deemphasizes some dynamic at play. Examples: Nate's, perhaps hyperbolic, view of Jade being aloof to him or Ted missing Nate's growing feeling of neglect in Season 2
What else you got?
Hi, just wanted to say I love all your videos! Your analyses are balanced and you always give characters the benefit of the doubt (especially when viewers tend to not want to) and offer the other perspective. Also, appreciation for your intro animation - it's so calming and doesn't make me want to skip over it, unlike a lot of other channels. Thank you for doing what you do!
I'm not surprised Jack did that to Keeley because the moment Rebecca said she was like Rupert it was obvious she is a bad person and that they will break up and seeing Keeley turn to Rebecca every time proves that Keeley also low key believes that jack is a bad person Keeley goes to Rebecca to guide her out of this relationship is how I see this and it's great to see how good of a friend Rebecca is and how she takes care of Keeley apart from that I really enjoy nate's story in the last episodes we can see him becoming more and more confident in himself and more happy
I found this channel while watching The Last of Us, and I just have to say that I always appreciate your thoughts on all of the shows you provide commentary on. Keep on keeping on!
I’m enjoying your thoughts and insights very much. Something I truly appreciated about this episode is the very human…painfully human…moments both Roy and Ted have. Two men we have come to respect both make mistakes and they know it. Roy showing support for Keeley but then with his own frailty asking her who the video was for and when she drives off he is immediately upset with himself. And then with Ted and Henry at bed time. This is the 2nd time I was saying to my TV screen “don’t do it!! Don’t do it!!!” The first being when Nate goes into the bathroom and he ends up not spitting at the mirror…I also rejoiced so much. But the importance of divorced parents not putting their kids in the middle…so important. And Ted starting to put Henry in the middle by asking him questions about Jake. I was so thankful that Henry just fell asleep and Ted, like Roy, immediately knew that was not the right thing to do…what did he say? Something like “come on man” get it together. Showing that people are human and although they are both respectable people they both make mistakes. But a truly respectable person will recognize it and learn from it.
The Scissor Sisters / Hey Jude scene is on of my favorites
There was a lot of hate for this episode, its the lowest rated episode of the whole show.
Personally I thought it was a really great episode. I’m excited to see how they’re gonna end the show.
Love your analysis; as always, a really nuanced take on the show. I particularly agreed with what you said about Isaac and Colin.
Rebecca was the advice Queen of this episode. Henry gets great advice form beard too. Hand wash guy is just a creep. Not happy with Isaac taking Colin’s phone.
Nailed it spot on with the Isaac analysis
I did, didn't I? 😂
You pointed out the lack of melodramatic in the show, and I’ve always loved this about the writing. One of the very few times I can think off the top of my head is Nate at the end of season 2, and it’s really more of a one-sided moment. The ideas of selflessness, sympathy, support, owning up to mistakes-it gives more evidence of character growth than big moments of conflict. Is it realistic? Not really, but Ted Lasso has always been more optimistic than realistic.
And I believe that Isaac reacted that way because he felt betrayed, as you said. Personally, if a friend was hiding a huge part of their identity for possible fear of me excluding them, I would spiral. Even if I know it’s not really about me, it would start a train of thought as to why someone I care about would think the worst of me. But I guess I’ll have to wait until tomorrow.
I just want to say I appreciate your analysis.
About Jack and Keeley - I _could_ see Jack being friendly, caring, and empathetic, and then saying "ok, now we at some point need to look at the business angle of this, because rightly or wrongly, it might make you look bad." and then crafting some kind of "hey it's a free world and I can do what I want, but I also know some kids might have seen this and I don't want what seemed like a harmless thing become something troublesome." statement. (Another option would be to see what Anne Hathaway said about the upskirt-in-the-limo photos getting out.)
Why is no one mentioning how ted has a green match book
because we all think is misdirection ;)
Just came here to say that
Great video! I love all your Ted lasso content. I can’t wait until Nate finally does stand up to Rupert
Respectfully disagree about Isaac walking off.. to me it showed he was respecting Collin didn’t want to talk about it and that Isaac had overstepped in taking Collin’s phone
Possibly but you can see how Colin feels from his reaction. Colin at least is interpreting Isaac's reaction badly, which either suggests Colin is right or that he misunderstood
@@mylittlethoughttree I mean he also has to react to Isaac finding out in the first place on accident, it's probably not just Isaac walking away
New subscriber here! Really enjoyed this vid essay. Looking forward to exploring more of your content. Thank you!
Always love your insight. Yes, it was a bit more haphazard. I don't mind it. But I want to encourage the quality of your often well structured thought. It does not go unappreciated
I was disappointed in the episode about Jack seeming rather two-faced. There was definitely a "business and boss" angle that wasn't really played through. I love Bill Lawrence's subtle imposition of perspective on the viewer, like as you said about Nate's projection of Jade's aloofness, or the entire of Season 2's "Forget About Nate" arc. So I do trust that it was done for a reason, and it may be to give Keeley just a little more Good vs Evil sentiment.
That said, I liked how Isaac left Colin in that scene. I think there's a lot to be taken and imposed of our own feelings given the ambiguity. I didn't see it as homophobia from Isaac. I think at this point that might be cliche and outside the team's character, especially with Isaac as the clear leader. I didn't imagine what was going to come next at the time, but when prompted I had two possible understandings: first being a simple surprise and retreat from what he understood to be a situation to consider carefully before handling; and second that Isaac understood that he was invading someone else's privacy, in the middle of his own preaching
I was also hoping you'd address the extremely thorough locker room nude photos scene. It struck me as a call to action straight from Bill Lawrence to us: "Delete them. Do it now." And I did. And I'm not embarrassed to say that I was affected by this story in this way. I generally take Reza Aslan's view that the stories of religion were never meant to be literal. Many religious texts were originally treated the same way law texts are: codes of conduct; fairytales with morals. I am fervently anti-theist. So I am happy to see where today's stories can take on the true roles of today's dogmatic absurdities.
Lastly, I don't remember now where this relates fully. But I wanted to appreciate Dr Jacob's lack of appreciation for Ted that you mentioned. I don't think it's a little thing. And it could be Bill Lawrences' engineering but I could absolutely see it as something a real person would really do: not only take Ted's place; not only be his former therapist; but also not show appreciation for the difficult position it puts him in and be upfront about negotiating the proper handling of it for everyone's sake. It did strike me as especially difficult and maybe even cruel, but also surprisingly normal when you mentioned it and it didn't occur to me that he should.
I think I can be sure that many of us are suffering quietly. I personally find I am the opposite of the James Acaster joke, but of course I doubt that that is nearly as novel, ironic, or unique. Bill Lawrence gives us a bit of wish fulfillment/encouragement/exposition in his Diamond Dogs. But this world has truly ramped up the rate at which the average person gets discarded, much less acknowledged. And Ted Lasso is an in-world hero: not always successful but staying the path he believes in.
It occurred to me a few times in the episode, moments of Ted's connection with Michelle, in part because it was a little forced. I don't know how to feel about it either. It is meant to set up the possibility that they get back together, and I don't know if I want the wish fulfillment of the oft neglected great guy or if I want the acknowledgement of the great guy who gets left behind
this show is amazing, only reason to have apple tv or whatever.
1000% Isaac feeling Colin betrayed trust in him as a leader & a comrade in arms (bruv)
I feel you missed where Nate tries to get his own diamond dogs together at the exact same point in the show where Ted gets the diamond dogs together. Maybe Nate missed that camaraderie that the diamond dogs brought him and doesn’t have any real support to talk things over
I'm really hoping for an happy end for Isaac and Colin. He doesn't seem homophobic or anything, to me it seemed like a friend who discovered something important, something private and got cought up in his own feeling and left because he didn't know how to react.
My biggest hope is that by the end of the season Colin feels comfortable coming out with the rest of the team knowing he will be accepted and the only change in their relationship is that he can be true to himself all the time.
Looking forward to this mate.
A lot of people really mad at Michelle for "ganging up" on Ted with her therapist but I just want to reiterate that the show doesn't tell us that's what happened, it tells us that's how Ted *felt* about their therapy sessions. And if you went to couples therapy with the *expectation* that it would fix your marriage and instead it made your partner realize they weren't happy with your relationship and wanted to leave it, even if that was the healthier choice for them, it's entirely reasonable for you to feel that way even if that's not what happened.
Now, Jake dating her even a year later? That's a huge, HUGE problem and I'm a little surprised the show isn't taking it more seriously.
Yeah, my position was always that that was how Ted FELT it was. Which might be true, might not. Regardless, his feelings are important...then you realise they're in a relationship and it does make me wonder...
I've been patient, hoping the show addresses how unethical it is at some point. If it never does, I will be a bit disappointed
Its so easy to see what the Isaac/Colin situation is going to be. In the end Isaac is not upset that colin is gay, he is upset he felt the need to hide it from him, they were supposed to be best friends. Modern TV is written by toddlers and its clear as crystal
For me, the Keeley storyline in season 3 has been tedious and taken up way too much precious screen time (and I do really like Keeley's character and Juno Temple is amazing). If we truly only have one last season with all these wonderful characters, it is really disappointing to have so much screen time spent on Keeley interacting with all these new characters (who I don't find that interesting and they don't really have enough time to build out). Last season her storylines worked so well because they also were intertwined with Roy, and we thus got lots of time with two main characters.
It seems to me that your reading of the Isaac/Colin scene missed the actual moral/ethical misstep. I didn't see Isaac reacting badly to Colin's sexuality. I saw him realizing he'd bullied his way into a friend's/teammate's private/secret business.
Isaac *was* wrong. But he wasn't wrong because Colin is gay or because this is what he discovered. He was wrong because he tried to impose his will on everyone else's personal property and violated Colin's privacy.
I think he and Jamie were right that it is wrong to keep pictures like that unless your ex approves. But trying to force your teammates - a bunch of grown men - to delete their pictures is totally out of line. Persuade them, sure. But he had no right to command them to delete private data. In addition to giving that order, it is outrageous to grab someone's phone out of their hands in this modern time when your phone holds so much data of personal value and meaning.
The fact that it was Colin's sexuality was arbitrary in light of Isaac's true misstep. It could have been any secret. *Any* secret he could have found would have merited this reaction from Isaac: a shamed retreat at realizing that he'd gone too far and invaded someone's privacy (exactly what deleting an ex's nudes is supposed to avoid!)
I keep asking myself, "How else *should* Isaac have behaved once he was looking into Colin's phone?" It's not a rhetorical question. He has been stomping around on everyone's privacy and walked into a deeply private secret. It has just become glaringly obvious to him that he was being a jerk. Even when I imagine an apology like, "Oi, I'm being a right prick looking at this, aren't I. I just did the thing I wanted everyone to avoid. I'm looking into your pictures...to delete the pictures... to make sure nobody other than you see the pictures... but I'm looking at those pictures in order to do it." None of that, however, is reacting well or poorly to Colin's sexuality. if I add even a tiny reference to Colin's sexuality to the apology, not only does it look like Isaac is uncomfortable at best with Colin being gay, it looks like he's making special exceptions for it.
So, I am sincerely open to answers: How could Isaac have reacted to Colin's sexuality in a "good" way in this context?
This is a fair interpretation, yeah. The thing is, we don't truly know what Isaac is thinking or how he's reacting because he doesn't say. It's left to Colin to try and interpret, at a moment when Colin is no doubt feel highly anxious. It's not necessarily a disaster.. hopefully Isaac is able to come to him later and talk/resolve it, including an apology if he upset Colin, and for taking his phone.
In the moment, he anything that wasn't walking off would've been better, anything that expressed clearly what his reaction meant. Something so at least Colin could understand what to think about it, and therefore how best to proceed in trying to help resolve it. Although, again, rarely are situations some perfect, idealised interaction. People are human and things are often confused. I trust them to resolve it next episode
If one of my friends has pictures they shouldn’t have better believe I’m gonna delete them if he says no. I guess you could tell the girl, but if you do nothing then you are no man.
@@accountsequity5587 I cannot agree with any of that. First of all, I don't see Isaac and Colin as friends. They're colleagues at their place of work in this scene, and Isaac already has some measure of power over Colin. Snatching up his phone can look like an abuse of that power. Second, my manhood doesn't hang on a willingness to meddle in the privacy of other adults. I can see refusing to keep another man's secret. But If you break into another man's secrets (friend or not,) meddle with his private property, and/or seek out intimate partners from their past to *tattle* on them then your manhood isn't just questionable. Your vulnerability to legal action is too.
Great video analysis, as our intrepid characters turn lighter/darker and feel the consequences. Of Keeley’s 3 lovers, both Jack and Roy are tripped up by their own jealousy. The idea of Keeley masturbating on video for someone else (turns out it was Jamie when they were still dating) has lit the rage of the green eyed monster. Remember when Jack told Keeley she was very jealous? She displays the kind of mad jealousy that expects her mate to regret all her past, but cloaks it with a business excuse. In addition, Jack has just been slapped by something her billionaire class cannot abide, something tacky.
Keley is the perfect example of how woman REFUSE to be responsible and accountable for their actions and will rationalize ANY behavior in order to avoid saying I was wrong or I made a mistake.
Dude,the reason Michelle has not recognized and expressed appreciation for Ted's handling of the Dr. Jake relationship is that she is not wholly invested in it. On the Sopranos, Dr. Melissa explained that patients sometimes develop feelings for their counselors because they are receiving non-judgmental listening and consideration, with doses of honesty. They can confuse that for love. I am betting that is where Michelle is. I am also not going to say it out loud, but 1. In an interview last year Sudeikis was asked whether Ted will finally fall in love. His response? "Who said he was ever out of love?" 2. The angelic(!) Mae, "Anything is possible, Ted." I have significant hope that they have figured out why zero people were satisfied by the final moments of Nurse Jackie and Ozark. It doesn't have to be fatalistic to be realistic. Unrealistic happy endings are a big hit, generally. I suspect a realistic happy ending can also be a big hit. Though I think it will be more like trying again than instantly picking up as a solid couple.
Just found your channel by chance, really enjoyed it! Just subbed, really enjoyed your perspectives on the episode. Keep it up!!
ps. oh i think that Jake moment where she comments on the reality tv star with a big dick is foreshadowing that it was Jamie that got hacked.
I do like that Jack turned out to be a bit of a jerk. Too many shows have every gay or bisexual character be an angel who never lets anyone down.
I took Isaac's reaction to finding out about Colin very differently than you did. Maybe I just interpreted it wrong, but I saw it more as him saying 'alright mate, I won't say anything'... in which case Colin is still disappointed and hurt that he didn't get support from Isaac, but not necessarily mad at him for rejection or anything. I think Isaac needs time to process that info
Therapist turned lover...Hilarious because its true
I think Jamie will mediate Keeley and Roy getting back together in the end
I don’t think Issac had a non reaction to discovering the pictures on Colin’s phone and realizing that Colin is gay…his reaction is subtle but for a handful of beats he takes the information in, acknowledges what it means, and briefly nods his acceptance…he leaves without causing a scene or forcing Colin to verbally confirm what he saw…he gives Colin the space he needs without judgement or requiring anything further for him…most of all, at least in the moment and for now, he keeps what he learned between just Colin and himself….whereas some folks would make a scene, berate Colin for keeping who he is secret and/or demand explanations in front of the rest of his peers, Issac simply gives a nod of acknowledgement and possibly acceptance and lets Colin be…to decide on how he wants to proceed going forward…which is exactly how it should have been left….coming out is deeply personal and no one gets to dictate how or when a person should do it…this is, of course,strictly my interpretation of the scene but it is an opinion based on what I know of Issac’s character as it has shown to be thus far…his reaction is inline with who is as a person, teammate, captain, and friend….of course we won’t know if anything I’m theorizing is true until we see the rest of season’s episodes but I feel pretty confident in my reading of the scene
Higgins and Will was meant to contrast Jamie and his father. Jamie’s father took him to Amsterdam to “become a man” in a way that is traditionally masculine and it was very traumatic for Jamie. It was not something he wanted to do. When Higgins took Will to the little concert thing he said Will was becoming a man, however it was not a traditional masculine way at all. It was gentle and it was something that Will actually wanted to do.
Isaac needs to apologize for taking his cell phone and it needs to fix everything. It shows that he doesn't believe it's a story that he's gay and that he's still the same person to him
I think Isaac was more surprised than anything. He also seemed to feel bad for taking his phone. He shouldn't be going through others phones regardless, that's just wrong. That whole bit was messed up and I kinda hope he loses his team captain position. Targets or no, you can't force people to delete their property. Colin postured all the time about women to the team. So I think what we saw was Isaac figuring it out. He didn't resolve it well either way. I'm sure the team will be fine with it if he comes out.
I though Isaac left out of shame if his own actions. Taking someone’s phone and looking through it is invasive and he knew he crossed a line
Like you said, I honestly don't think that Isaac is necessarily upset that Colin is gay. I think he feels betrayed that Colin lied to them all, that he never told them. The team is now all about mutual trust, and to Isaac's - the team captain - it must really sting to learn that the same trust isn't being extended from everyone, whether that's fair or not. I would be genuinly surprised if it was actual homophobia, tbh. But hey, you never know.
I don't think it has anything to do with Jack being her sort-of boss. I think it is about Jack's own shame, prejudice, and need for control.
Yeah, I'd agree with that, although being her boss does still further enhance that dynamic, or make her feel mote entitled to seek the control she's desiring
One thing I find strange is that in America that doctor would lise his medical license for dating a patient.
i definitely think that isaac's just hurt bc colin didn't tell him, coupled with the fact that he found out by pullin that dumb phone stunt & now he feels like a jackass (which i hope is true, cuz that was a total jackass move). isaac & colin are best friends, and isaac (and the rest of the team) has proven that he's very accepting. anything less would be un-lasso-like. so i see nothin but light & positivity comin colin's way. 🥰 jack is the worrrrrst. ugh i do not like her at all, especially for keeley. 😣 jamie's character growth has been amazing to watch throughout the entire series, and i wouldn't put it past him to be the one who reunites keeley & roy. 🤗 but it might also be phoebe who makes a triumphant return & talks some sense into her uncle. lol
Jack was awful and I hope she never comes back after what she did this episode. At first I thought the statement was just her trying to cover her company's ass and that she'd explain later that wasn't what she actually believed but corporate communications are what they are. But then she actually was just as misogynist as the statement suggested, when Keeley said "are you coming back?" I was so mad because why on earth would Keeley want her to?!?!?!?!
11:35 that’s horrifying
No world anvil this week??
It'll be back, I occasionally leave it out of videos, don't want everything to be a sponsorship push
what is the stand uper name which skit was used, i couldnt hear his name exactly ?
James Acaster.
Yes. Realistic responses to life’s problems, without being overly Pollyanna-not that Ted doesn’t try, lol
It's not for anyone to judge Isaacs reaction. If you are gay you don't get to tell people how to react to that information if you have been hiding it. That is not a negative reaction.
You really gotta talk about Michelle and the therapist. We all need to know about the ethical side of it.
Wait, there's an ethical side to it? 😂
In all seriousness, I do plan to. I've more been waiting patiently to see if the show itself will address it or not
It's always the therapist the ex wife gets with. Guys if your wife wants counseling, make sure it's a woman
Always? I hope it's not a common thing. It's highly unethical, and could potentially cause the therapist to be suspended
I think this may the worst episode of the series, it only furthered going down the path of people's character suddenly changing just because it's convenient for the plot and random time wasting.
Just last episode Jack showed that she cared so much about the relationship that she was willing to make it public despite how bad it could look with that Weinstein level of power differentials, but then this episode not apologizing for a dirty video getting leaked is enough to end the relationship makes no sense (I've never heard of celebrities apologizing for leaks of ethical nudes, and such things seem to actually have a positive effect on peoples' celebrity status.)
The weird "delete your nudes PSA" seemed like it was just someone with an axe to grind and went on for way too long. Also the attitude of someone's nudes getting leaked is a tragedy, doesn't really match the message of people shouldn't be ashamed of their sexuality.
I believe Isaac was hurt. Not disgusted or mad that Colin is gay. I can’t see him as a bigot in any sense.
I think Issac is mad at himself for not seeing who Colin is.
Oh come on, the dick part was funny. If Roy was just a figure of power for them yeah it'd be inappropriate but because he's their former teammate and captain it's a lot more like an older brother playing a prank on his younger siblings
I don't blame people for finding humour in it, it is just meant to be a small, throwaway joke. But in a show that has been show mature in its handling of mental health? It is very off tonally, and very uncharacteristic of Roy to be sadistically seeking pleasure in it. Not to mention that, in reality, it would be s3xua1 harassm3nt
Maybe you shouldn't have made the video in the first place....Jack is 100% right. In the digital age you can not expect ANY level of privacy and a good rule of thumb is that every picture you take and every video you make is going to end up in the public domain at one point or another.
I'm surprised how comparatively cool you seem to be with Dr. jacob as a Marriage Counselor (someone whos job it is to see peoples relationships at their worst, really dive in where it may hurt with them) dating a former patient, only saying it's a bit unethical.
For me that essentially reads almost as someone setting himself up so he prfessionally meetis women at their most emotionally vulnerable, maybe even guiding them towards splitting with their partner and then preying on that vulnerability to get with them? That doesn't to me just feel a bit iffy. I find that actively concerning so I'm a bit suprprised how comparatively layed back you as an active Therapist see this while some bad taste jokes about roy and strings and private parts seem to really rile you up.
As I said surprising 🤔Maybe there's an angle I'm not seeing as a non-Therapist😉
I think throughout every My Little Thought Tree video I have seen I really believe he never judges any characters actions without seeing their motivation and knowing more about them so I think this might just be the case of a well trained therapist never diving in with strong opinions whereas the strong reaction to Roy being sadistic is more disappointment in the writing team choosing to put this in for a weak joke.
Not relaxed about it at all, I said here, and in the past, it is highly unethical and there are grounds for suspension... possibly... I don't know what it's like in the US. It's more just what else can I say? It is unethical and ofcourse it's a massive, massive blow to Ted. What can he do? Michelle is free to live her own life as she chooses. He could report Jake, possibly. Again, I don't quite know how it works. If he wanted to do that, I think we could all understand but I don't think he'd want to do that to his wife's bew partner. There's just a limited amount I can say on the matter, other than that I don't like it and it shouldn't happen. Like it or not, it has happened and, for the sake of his son, Ted feels he needs to accept it
@@mylittlethoughttree Maybe I just missred your lack of commentary then 😊. Idk I just assumed it would irk you more if you as a therapist have a hard enough time with peoples reservations about therapy and opening up and then there is a character who is everything, all the bad takes on therapy assume.
Like before I thought 'ok I can see how it could feel like the marriage counceling on a failing relationship is kind of an ambush against you and your relationship.'. But how can I fault Ted now for not trusting therapists? He was 100% right! His Marriage councelor was after his wife and was working to seperate them and his 2nd Therapist he trusted is treating him like a bothersome comodity. Annoyingly I fully understand why he would never see a therapy session ever again!
I would be annoyed as a Therapist 😅
Aplologies for kind of projecting that feeling on you. 😉
@@DarkHarlequin no, no, I think you make a great point there, actually. It doesn't help the stigma at all and perhaps me emphasising better that it's not ok would prevent people being put off actual therapy by it. I'm hoping there will be more to talk about with Jake this season, though. He's been very much on the edges. If a good place comes up, it'd definitely be worth me pressing the point more
I really enjoyed the first two seasons of TL, but season three is different. They've made every character boring. I haven't laughed or cheered. Keeley and Jack won't work out. Jack makes her miserable. She's better off with Roy.
Isaac has no business grabbing someone else's phone without their permission. That's the issue. Collen should be pissed, and Isaac should apologize.
Ted has every right to be angry. His ex-wife is mean, selfish and/or ignorant. Regardless, it's time for Ted to move on. Work out a custody agreement and start living.
Nate is the only interesting character this season. It may be time for him to do a spinoff. He's too good for this show right now, and they're missing some comedy with Jade. She can be funny.
The writers would do well to get back to soccer, get back to the players, and get back to comedy. This isn't even a good drama right now.
It was awful. Completely contrived storyline pulling a deus ex machina so they can have fake drama and espouse a fascist line of thinking that somehow masquerades as moral. This show is getting worse and worse.
Can you expand on that?
@@mylittlethoughttree your even-handed-ness and open mind are what I aspire to; will get there, I hope. Thank you for your analyses, for providing this forum, and for exemplifying the Lasso Way.
Regarding Keeley it seems like a whole politicised plot line but there are many flaws in it that you don’t bring up. Firstly if she wasn’t sorry and was completely fine and comfortable with the video then why would she have a breakdown at the start of the episode. You don’t have a breakdown when someone exposes a positive thing about you. And it is also insensitive to Jack and how she feels in that situation she has a right to know what is out there and it is problematic that Keeley doesn’t even know. Like you can’t really use the argument that women are pushed to be sexual then condemned for being sexual because in the anecdote Keeley said about her sending pictures to her teacher I’d imagine if the teacher had pushed her into that it would be a much greater issue than the issue of internet leaks so it would be weird to brush over that. And it’s also naive to think men being sexual and women being sexual is the same thing. It clearly isn’t, gender roles and sexual dynamics are evidence of this.
Lastly I think the phrase used in the show about men pushing women to be sexual but then condemned them for being sexual shows a depth of thinking. The phrase should be men push women to be sexual ( with them ) and condemn women for being sexual ( with other people ) because this is literally indicative of marriage and an example of sexual dynamics. We push women into relationships and almost always with the best intentions that obviously becomes sexual but if she were to cheat and be sexual with someone else then she would be condemned.
So having gained a more nuanced explanation for that phrase would you still stand by your position that that isn’t right? Because that would be saying marriage and essentially any kind of relationship with exclusivity is wrong.
Only regarding your first point about Keeley: people are complex and can feel many emotions at once. She is not ashamed of sending a nude to loved one, though she was probably stressed and embarrassed by the situation that was out of her control for the world to see. Her having an emotional breakdown in result of the video is out for the world to see is understandable
Do you not get that there is a difference between the one intended person seeing a video and everyone in the world potentially seeing it? Because she has no reason to be sorry as it's not her fault that the video got released. It was even in the text of the episode so even the complete morons might get it: Sending it to someone she thought she could trust isn't the issue, the issue is that an illegal act has lead to the release.
I mean you can not be sorry about a private act yet be mortified of the thought of it being seen openly.
I'm not at all sorry of showering very much naked almost every day yet I wouldn't want everyody to be able to watch me shower...
I think I'd stand by my position, yeah, because I don't agree with too much of what you've said there. The first point being Keeley isn't fine with the video being leaked at all. What she is fine with is that she made it. A private video from an old relationship sent to someone she trusted. She doesn't feel ashamed of doing that. That doesn't automatically mean she should be fine with hackers leaking that video to the world. It's like someone who felt comfortable talking about vulnerable things to a friend, wouldn't like that conversation recorded and posted online. If it was, you shouldn't feel bad for opening up about vulnerable topics to that friend, you'd feel angry at whoever recorded and posted it publicly.
Ofcourse Jack has the right to ask, but shaming her and walking out when Keeley isn't able to answer? Doesn't seem the fairest... although I don't think it's about fairness nor do I mean to judge Jack in my video. She reacted as she did and we can understand why, even if it could've gone better. Not sure what your point about men and women sexual dynamics means nor why it's relevant? (Hope that doesn't read as aggressive, I just mean could you explain a bit more?)
I definitely disagree with the final point. Women (although it can be men too, but obviously this is about women) are sexualised not just for good intentions. There are many, many people out there looking to abuse someone or use sex as a way to project down onto another, or all sorts of motives. Sometimes objectifying can go hand in hand with projection, or wanting to dismiss someone as innocent, or shame them, which is often where the word s1ut is used. In that sense, I think it's a simplification to say it's always with good intentions, and also to say it's always directly about actually wanting to have sex. More so, I'm not sure I ever really see it as good intentions. You can be sexually attracted to someone without reducing them down to just sexuality. You can recognise their humanity, you don't have to objectify a person. I get the feeling I may be misunderstanding what you meant there, though. So let me know
No, Keeley had the phrase just right. Men do sexualize women in every form of art (which I think is more to the point here than personal relationships, although your assumption about men almost always getting into sexual relationships with the best of intentions is belied by, well, pretty much everyone’s personal experience of at least one bad relationship). But women who own their sexuality are still condemned for it. As just an example off the top of my head, how many people still can’t wrap their heads around the concept of sex workers ever being victims of rape? But back to Keeley: she said herself she didn’t mind all the topless photos of herself on the Internet because she had purposely put them out there. Having a private video made for one person’s eyes only stolen and published robbed her of her agency and was a terrible violation of her privacy. Let’s say she had made the video with her boyfriend and never sent it to him but kept it off the Internet; she wouldn’t need to feel shame about about that, would she? But lots of things we do and say in private we don’t want broadcast to the world, and saying that she shouldn’t have sent in the first place not only blames the victim but makes it just that much easier for people who steal and publish private content to escape blame or even consequences.
TED LASSO becoming WOKE....
Woke is a good thing. And it's not new here.
What does that mean, exactly?